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not not not knowledge fight

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that.

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Dan and Jordan,

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I'm sweating.

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pray.

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Knowledgeite.

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I'm sick of them posing as if

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they're the good guys saying we

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are the bad guys.

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Knowledge Fight.

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Dan and George.

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Knowledge Fight.

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Riddle her.

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Need.

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Need.

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Money.

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Riddle her.

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Riddle her.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Andy and.

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Andy and.

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Stop it.

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Andy and.

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Andy and.

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Andy and.

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Andy and.

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Andy and.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding us.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first-time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your room.

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Knowledge Fight.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're couple dudes.

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We like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex

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Jones.

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Oh indeed we are.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan, quick question for you.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today Jordan is...

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You go first.

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Okay.

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My bright spot today is actually I successfully finished Forbidden West.

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Wow.

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I've done it.

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Wow.

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Yeah, I'm very proud of myself.

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Congratulations.

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I realized way too late that the end game was a lot closer than I thought.

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Huh.

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Because I had done so much other stuff I was roughly level all of them.

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You can't go higher than 50.

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Sure.

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And so then I barreled towards the end of the game so fast.

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It's one of those things that I do that's very annoying is I get so distracted for the

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first 85% of the game.

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Right, right.

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By all the side missions.

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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And then the last 5% is a formality.

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A formality, Dan.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I have put the game to the side for a little bit so it can retain some of its

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wonder.

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Sure, sure.

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For me, I realized that I was kind of getting to a point where I was a little burned out

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because I was doing exactly what you did with the side quests and stuff.

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And yeah, so I'll get back to it, but congratulations on finishing it up.

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Thank you very much.

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If you haven't gotten to a certain place, I won't spoil it.

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I have probably, maybe not.

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I don't know.

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Can you fly?

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In a manner.

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I don't know.

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Well, my friend, you get to fly in the late game.

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Well, there's a spoiler.

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I know.

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Well, great.

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See?

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Spoilers.

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We broke our own rule.

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I blew it.

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Yeah.

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My bright spot is going to be unsatisfying in many ways, but I have some content for

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the podcast that I'm working on that I'm pretty excited about.

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Oh.

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So I have a bright spot of some little things.

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A little teaser that I might be able to...

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Yeah, so there you go.

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Vague teaser.

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The teaser is your bright spot.

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Yeah.

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So Jordan, today we are enjoying Alex Jones coming back from his vacation.

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Oh, is he?

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He took a little break.

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Is he better today?

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Well, I mean, we haven't played the drop yet.

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Oh, that's a good point.

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I can't reveal.

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You can't reveal that.

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Yeah.

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No.

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But this is March 17th, 2022.

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St. Patrick's Day, baby.

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Okay.

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Alex is back.

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Oh, right.

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We have not missed him that much, but his presence has been...

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Absence of his presence has been felt in as much as the dorks have been running the house

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and daddy's got to come in and be angry about stuff.

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I assume metaphorically, as he comes back, he will be removing all of the snakes from

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the Info Wars office.

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Some of them might just get laid off.

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Some of the snakes just might be payroll issues with the snakes.

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That's what people forget about St. Patrick.

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He just got rid of some of the snakes and they were like, oh, come on, man.

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You're downsizing?

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Uh-oh.

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I better go slither around with Glenn Beck.

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I better go to the blaze.

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They're very welcoming.

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So we'll get down to business on this episode here, Jordan, but let's take a little moment

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to say hello to some new wonks.

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So first, Demon Whiskey Nick.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next, I listened to six hours worth of Dan and Jordan across two podcasts on March 4th.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Guessing those behind the bastards, really.

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Yep.

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I would imagine so.

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Next, Fuck.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Love it.

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Straightforward to the point.

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Happy.

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Good work, Fuck.

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Yep.

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Next, No Little Breaky for the Wicked.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next, Dead Man.

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And Dead Man in the message said, hey, play Elden Ring, you cowards, or something like

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that.

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And I wanted to say I did try.

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Not for me.

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But you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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And we've got a couple of technocrats here in the mix, Jordan.

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So first, I introduce my brother to Knowledge Fight, and all he gets is this lousy shout

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out.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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And Lindy, the best spouse mouse.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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I have risen above my enemies.

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I might quit tomorrow, actually.

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I'm just going to take a little breaky now.

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A little breaky for me.

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And then we're going to come back, and I'm going to start the show over.

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But I'm the devil.

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I've got to be taking all this hair off, you know, all this blah, blah, blah.

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World

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Order, and fuck the horse you rode in on, and all your shit.

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Maybe today should be my last broadcast.

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Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.

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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow, and you never see me again.

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That's really what I want to do.

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I never want to come back here again.

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I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns

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on air.

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I'll be better tomorrow.

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He's not.

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Oh, shit.

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Yep.

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Sorry.

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I had to wait.

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I was guessing.

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Not having a great day.

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Fair enough.

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Having a pretty bad day.

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Oh, of course.

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He's broke.

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He's pissed off.

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Yep.

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So, here's an out of context drop before we get into this episode.

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Okay.

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We're trying to pile on to the US government, but it's obviously like an out of control

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corrupt anti-American force, but...

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Okay.

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Well...

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Listen.

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Nobody wants you to pile on the United States.

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Not after that point.

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No, of course.

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Once we already have established that it is a corrupt anti-American force, the American

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government, then no need to pile on.

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Yeah.

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You don't need to beat a dead horse.

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Certainly not.

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Yeah.

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So, Alex is not there when the show starts.

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This is becoming a little bit of the normal thing where the show starts, and Harrison

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Smith is explaining that Alex will be there eventually.

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I'm Harrison Smith, sitting in momentarily for Alex Jones.

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He is in the building.

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He's taking care of some legal stuff right now, but he will be taking over just as soon

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as possible.

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But for now, let me give you a little outlook as to how close we are to nuclear annihilation.

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God, he sucks at this.

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How close to the precipice we are before taking that plunge off the cliff that will destroy

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all of humanity.

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It's not looking good, folks.

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Before I do that, let me tell you, happy St. Patrick's Day, everybody.

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Hope you're all doing well.

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Hope you're wearing green.

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If not, I hope you get pinched.

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Okay?

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Now is the time for celebrating the glorious work of one of the most powerful evangelists

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that Christianity ever saw.

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And it's worth taking a quick moment to tell you the story of St. Patrick.

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This is a real strange path of thoughts, Harrison, to begin the show with.

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Okay.

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We're all going to die.

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But first, let's just, look, enjoy the silver linings.

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Have a green beer.

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Have a green beer.

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So I don't know if I would call St. Patrick one of the most powerful evangelists in the

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history of the Christian church.

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If you're talking about who's at the top of that list, without a doubt, it's Paul.

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No doubt.

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Paul in the New Testament is attributed to him, and he was critically important in terms

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of establishing the earliest churches in places like Ephesus and Corinth, and his letters

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to these churches that appear in the Bible, as books in the Bible, they establish a lot

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of church doctrine.

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Totally.

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Outside of Jesus, it's not really fair to compare anyone to Paul in terms of their importance

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in the spread of Christianity.

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So looking down a little bit further on the ladder, there are some major figures in terms

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of early evangelism.

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Sure.

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Naturally.

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Some of the people like Constantine did wonders for the spread of Christianity since he converted

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in 312 CE while the emperor of Rome, and that led to the Edict of Milan in 313 that codified

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into law religious tolerance for Christianity, which by effect massively spread the religion.

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Yeah, of course.

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Well, if you're not going to be murdered for it, it's a lot easier to be a part of it.

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Sure.

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And then there's the conquesting emperors who spread the language across the ancient

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world.

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Yeah.

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And Alexander the Great spreading Greek to all kinds of distant lands allowed for the

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transmission of information among cultures that certainly somebody who, well, not necessarily,

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you would say an evangelist, had a dramatic effect.

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Right.

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Now what one could argue though is that the most influential members of the church are

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the ones with the highest body count.

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So then you have to rejigger the whole thing now, don't you?

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I mean, Paul's got like six max.

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You don't know what Paul was up to.

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I don't know what Paul was up to before.

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That's true.

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He had some issues.

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He's a loan shark.

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I get it.

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We need a gritty Paul video game.

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Maybe you're done with Horizon.

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Yeah, we'll call it Road to Damascus.

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Something along those lines.

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So I don't think that anyone would argue that St. Patrick is one of the most powerful evangelists

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in the history of Christianity.

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At best, you could claim that he founded the Christian church in Ireland, but even that

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claim is far from solid.

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There's a lot of uncertainty about the historical record as it relates to Patrick, and many

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believe that a lot of the claims made about his relevance in the Irish church are conflated

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with Palladius, the first bishop of the Catholic church who was sent to Ireland.

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The point here is that the claim that Harrison is making is absurd, but I'm excited to see

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how he backs this up.

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I'm a little interested.

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Also, I think a lot of people in Ireland looking back on it would say that the introduction

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of the Christian religion to Ireland might have wound up going wrong later on.

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That's all I'm saying.

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Maybe there's some issues with implementation.

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Maybe it could have been done better.

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Well, let's let Harrison take the wheel and see what he's got.

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Yeah, let's see how this goes.

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Yeah.

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Worth taking a quick moment to tell you the story of St. Patrick, because it's a great

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source of inspiration for what we're doing here in the info war.

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St. Patrick was from Britain.

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He was part of a Romanized British family.

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His father was a deacon in the church, but as a young man, he was captured and taken

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to Ireland, which was at the time completely pagan, where he was kept as a slave and he

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was abused as a slave and he lived a life as a slave until he got a vision from God

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that told him, your boat's here.

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Your ride is waiting.

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It's time for you to escape and trusting his vision, he went to the coast and found a ship

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waiting there, took him to England, where again, his troubles were not over.

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He was captured multiple times.

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He eventually made it back to his family.

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And now think about this.

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Put yourself in the mindset of a freed slave who's escaped bondage in Ireland, has escaped

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the pagans.

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You've made it out.

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You live in a comfortable life with your family now.

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What would compel somebody to give up that life, go back into the land where he was enslaved,

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not to extract retribution, not to enact some revenge fantasy on the people who abused him,

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but to gift those people with the truth, to tell them the gospel, to convert them to Christianity,

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to perform miracles for them, and to better their life.

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Well, St. Patrick's was that man.

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But really, really trying to be like, talking about yourself here a little bit.

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I mean, well, I find it very interesting that we can definitely identify with former white

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slaves who come back to the land that they were enslaved in and then kicked out of in

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order to do good.

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You know, I mean, Reconstruction Era South wasn't about black people just fucking straight

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up murdering anybody.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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No, that's fine.

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Because St. Patrick was a white slave.

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It is an interesting disconnect.

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But a lot of that story that Harrison is telling is true, which is a strange thing on Infowars

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because usually people bring, people, I mean, Alex, bring things up and he has no idea what

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he's talking about.

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But at least according to whatever sources we do have available, a lot of that story

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of St. Patrick is, like, that's the record, but you can decide for yourself how reliable

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any of those sources are.

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St. Patrick was said to have been captured by pagans and taken to Ireland and escaped

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and then eventually decided to become a missionary.

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Also, Patrick supposedly had another vision that called him to come back to Ireland.

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So that's why he did it as opposed to just being like, hey, I think I'm going to go back

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and be a missionary.

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I'm such a good dude.

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He had another vision.

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So whoever's giving these visions is a little wishy-washy about where he should be.

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Go get on that boat.

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Go back to Ireland.

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You know, you change plans.

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It happens.

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I understand.

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I've been there.

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So one problem is that Patrick didn't perform miracles and actually isn't formally

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a saint.

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He's never been canonized.

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And the whole thing about running the snakes off, that's not true.

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That's nonsense.

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Of course.

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None of this matters, though, because InfoWars and everyone associated with it believes in

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lore as reality.

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So if there's compelling folk tales about someone, that might as well be religious doctrine.

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Absolutely.

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Now, there's one important caveat, though, and that is that the Eastern Orthodox Church

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does venerate Patrick as a saint in equal standing with the apostles.

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But I really don't think that InfoWars is an Eastern Orthodox operation.

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Alex espouses some theological beliefs that are at odds with that tradition, so it just

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seems hard to believe that that would be their Eastern Orthodox.

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I mean, Paul Bunyan is also venerated alongside the saints in InfoWars, so it's like American

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lore is fine, too.

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True, true.

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Put it all in the church.

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Colonel Travis.

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Absolutely.

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Up there.

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Yeah.

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So I will say this with a fair amount of certainty.

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You're not going to find anybody who takes the study of religion, like just religious

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studies seriously, that would say Saint Patrick is a major evangelical figure.

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It's just not part of real religious history.

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How many other of them have their own holiday that is entirely about their real life and

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events that happened 100% to them?

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It's a bizarre notion for Harrison to be spreading, but what's fun about this is it's just a way

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for Harrison to use this story about Saint Patrick to really talk about himself and Alex.

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They are like Saint Patrick in that they've seen the horrors of Ireland, the globalists

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metaphorically, and though they could have a nice life elsewhere, they return and selflessly

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try to free people still in bondage.

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It's nonsense, but I'm sure it feels better than dealing with the reality that you work

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for a malicious narcissist liar whose only real impact on the world is increasing the

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suffering of vulnerable people, which is not like the story of Saint Patrick.

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Actually, in many ways, it is like the story of Saint Patrick.

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You bring religion to Ireland, and then it fights for the next thousand goddamn years.

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I don't know.

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I don't want to unpack this.

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You bring bullshit to America, then there's a civil- yeah, no, it all makes perfect sense.

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So Harrison's got to talk continuously about Saint Patrick.

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Of course.

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Well, Saint Patrick was that man, and his writings have had unbelievable positive effects

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the world over, and he almost single-handedly converted the entire country of Ireland to

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Christianity.

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That's an info-warrior, folks.

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That's a single man with nothing but the words that he uses and the truth that he's expressing

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changing the destiny of an entire nation and, in a way, the entire world.

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It's a man who is freed from bondage and yet doesn't hate those who enslaved him, but did

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help to bring about the abolition of that entire institution in that country.

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I saw this as very not true.

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Saint Patrick absolutely did not convert all or even most of Ireland.

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For one thing, Christianity in Ireland predated his arrival, and the historical record is

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full of a bunch of other influences who likely had much larger effects on the history of

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the early church there.

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There were people who created a lot of really isolated monasteries, and because of their

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isolation, many of them were able to survive much better in trying times, like the Dark

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Ages and such, and that became something that was heavily influential in the development

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of the church in Ireland.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And, once again, several kings had a pretty high body count.

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Look, to quote myself, be that as it may...

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I'm sorry, I'm just saying...

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You've got an axe to grind here, I understand.

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The point for me is that these guys have such a focus on the individual strongman theory

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of history.

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Absolutely.

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It has to be one person who's also an info warrior.

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Oh, of course.

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Basically, the model of an info warrior.

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You alone are able to change everything, and sure, some people, through circumstance and

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hard work and luck, some people are able to make an outsized impact in the world, but

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that's not necessarily how everything works.

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Well, I mean, you know, it is the interplay of seven billion different things all happening

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simultaneously that even if you are the person with the luck to actually express the idea...

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That's why I'm saying circumstance and luck.

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Yeah, exactly.

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There's like a million different things.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, St. Patrick, great.

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There's someone else in the church, though, who's not so great.

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Bruce Willis.

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The Pope.

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Oh.

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And somebody needs to point this stuff out.

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Somebody needs to celebrate what the church is supposed to be teaching, because I'll tell

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you, somebody who's not doing that, a little man named Pope Francis.

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The story can be found at infowars.com.

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Pope Francis warns, final catastrophe could extinguish human race.

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I suggest Pope Francis ask himself a question, is that what the Bible says?

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That's not really what the Bible says, is it?

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No, the Bible actually promises to avoid this type of fate.

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What is wrong with you?

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Maybe he's not so worried about putting forward Christianity as he is about putting forward

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the great reset, new world order control paradigm that he seems so eager to participate in.

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Pope Francis warns that the escalation of the conflict in Ukraine could lead to a final

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catastrophe that would extinguish the human race.

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Speaking during his weekly address, the Pope said humanity would have to start from scratch

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in the event of a thermonuclear war, saying, quote, our imagination appears increasingly

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concentrated on the representation of a final catastrophe that will extinguish us.

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And whether it's climate change or the death of democracy or the conflict in Ukraine, everything

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in the mainstream media has to be portrayed as an existential crisis, because it's not

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about presenting you with the facts and the truth of the situation so you can come to

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an informed decision into how you want your political representatives to behave and face

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the challenges that we're up against.

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They have to force you into an emotional do or die, this is it, the walls are crumbling

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down panic mode, so you override your logic center and you're willing to do things and

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willing to allow things that you would never be willing to do or allow in a more stable

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state of mind.

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So, of course, everything has to be a total catastrophe.

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That clip is wild.

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Wow.

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So that starts with Harrison being upset that the Pope isn't playing into his end time fantasies

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and then I guess that Harrison is mad that the Pope is saying that the war in Ukraine

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could escalate to a situation where the continuity of our modern civilization is at risk.

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Right.

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But isn't that what Alex has been saying for weeks?

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Yeah, every day.

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Harrison literally started the show talking about how we're facing nuclear annihilation

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before getting distracted with his St. Patrick riff.

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So you see, when the Pope says that the times are tense and cooler heads should prevail,

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that's an unchristian attempt to keep everyone in the great reset new world order fear paradigm.

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Obviously.

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But when Alex and Harrison say that we're one inch away from nuclear annihilation, well,

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that's just them being super cool, more Christian than the Pope, and absolutely not trying to

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keep the audience in a state of crippling fear.

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Duh.

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This makes sense.

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Yeah.

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It's clips like this that just make it too clear that these guys know what they're doing.

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They're able to very accurately describe what their entire business model is when they're

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accusing the Pope of doing it, so they're fully aware that constantly bombarding people

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with panic do or die the world is ending type messages have the effect of overriding people's

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critical thinking.

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Or at least it can.

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Yep.

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Harrison's boring as shit, but also he makes it too clear that there's an intellectual

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understanding within Infowars that what they're doing is manipulative and abusive.

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If you're doing the Infowars game, you're supposed to not be aware of that psychology

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at all.

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But at the very least, don't talk about it.

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This dude is a fucking liability for Alex, and I would fire his ass immediately if I

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were Alex.

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I mean-

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This is not good.

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You can't be talking like this.

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Yeah, and here's the thing.

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He's not going to sell it for you, man.

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I don't hear Alex in this.

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I don't hear somebody trying to be Alex in this.

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I hear a child that needs to be put in a time out and be like, hey, you need to stop this.

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Go sit in the corner.

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That's what I'm hearing, not a man.

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One of the things that I think is kind of interesting is that Owen is more or less doing

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an Alex impression, and I think he wants to largely become like Alex, more like Alex.

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Harrison has his own thing, which is obviously, like I've said, boring.

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But I think it's also a lot more crypto-neo-Nazi than he lets on, perhaps.

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He has much more of a close association with people like Nick Fuentes and the Groypers

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and the America First folks.

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I was just thinking that he is like a much more subdued, less bombastic Nick Fuentes

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in terms of like, he's not willing to push it.

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He's not willing to push those boundaries.

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Yeah.

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And I think he does a little bit on his own show, but no one's listening.

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No.

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Speak freely.

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Who gives a shit?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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You've got 123 views.

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You'll be fine.

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Oh, yeah.

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People are knocking down your door to syndicate the American Journal on their radio stations,

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I'm sure.

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Oh, no.

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So, look, dude, half an hour goes by and- Welcome back, folks.

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This is the Alex Jones Show.

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I'm Harrison Smith, sitting in for Alex Jones, who will be joining us momentarily, will be

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joining you.

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I'll be with you, sitting and watching Alex Jones in just a few minutes.

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No need to worry about that.

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I'm worried.

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Yeah.

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Like, I feel like there's too much of an awareness that this is a bad outcome for listeners.

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Like, he has to reassure people, like, I promise, Alex is coming.

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I am almost out of your lives for good, again.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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If people wanted to listen to me, they could choose to listen to my show and they don't.

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No.

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Alex is coming.

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Don't worry.

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Yeah.

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So, 47 minutes in, Alex shows up.

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Ladies and gentlemen, we are playing the game right now.

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We are caught in the jaws of what could easily become the end of civilization, perhaps all

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life on Earth, as we know it.

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Alex Jones here, back in the cockpit today.

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It's so weird that Harrison is right there in the studio and he's not, like, offended

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by his boss, Alex Jones, saying that we're playing a game that might result in the end

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of life on Earth.

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When the Pope said something like that, he was contradicting the Bible and trying to

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keep people in the great reset New World Order fear state, so you'd think that Harrison

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would have some harsh words for Alex.

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So, so weird that he doesn't barge into the studio and hold Alex's feet to the fire

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about how he could possibly believe that life on Earth, it could be the end of life on Earth

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and it could even be possible because the Bible says that's not going to happen.

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Right.

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Almost like he was just pretending to be mad at the Pope about that, and what he's actually

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mad at the Pope about is that he's not enough of a bigot and he cares about climate change.

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I can't imagine listening to the first half hour to an hour of this show and not thinking

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these guys are complete jokes.

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Like, this is so internally contradictory.

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It hurts.

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It really hurts.

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Yeah.

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I don't, I don't think that they are doing a very good job.

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No, but that's what happens when you throw Harrison into the mix.

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Bad work happens.

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Stick with, stick with St. Patrick.

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You're better off there.

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Don't go to the Pope.

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You don't have anything on the Pope.

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Now, I need to talk to y'all about the most important relic of the early church, the Blarney

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Stone.

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Okay, Harrison.

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Somebody told me they peed on it after I kissed it one time when I was in Ireland.

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So Alex did...

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Actually, that's more interesting.

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Alex didn't go to Ireland for his trip.

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It was a little breaky.

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Would've been nice.

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He went to California.

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It's a great country.

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I was out in California for three days and it was the most over the top trip I've ever

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been on.

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Before that, it was California, the Bohemian Grove that I infiltrated and got the footage

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of with Mike Hanson 22 years ago.

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That was the strangest thing I ever did.

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This trip topped it all and a lot of it I'm not at liberty to get into or talk about.

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Very interesting and then the rest of it, we will break very, very soon.

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In fact, I might even just start breaking it today because it's going to be breaking

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it at any time.

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A lot of big stuff.

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A lot of big stuff happened.

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It was wild and definitely Hotel California.

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This sounds like how a loser describes their boring ass vacation.

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Oh my God, best vacation ever.

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So much stuff happened but it's too wild.

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I can't even get into it.

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It's so crazy.

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There's like an eyes wide shut thing going on but I'm not going to, I can't tell you

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all about it.

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There are too many important people there.

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Too many masks too.

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Yeah, it's too cool.

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As best as I can tell, he was on that Full Send podcast that Trump had been on and I

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guess he interviewed Mike Tyson but beyond that, I don't believe that he did shit until

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I see it.

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I'm also not impressed by landing an interview with Mike Tyson in 2022.

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I don't know if that's, I don't know if people are banging down his door for an interview.

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Like obviously not great but if you would have gotten an interview with him in 1995

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like when he got out of prison after he raped that lady, that would have at least been like

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people were trying to talk to him and he would have been turning down some media appearances.

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This is just like, yeah, you have an audience, Mike Tyson will talk to you.

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You know what's crazy is that I know the pathway that he got to Mike Tyson with and that's

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frustrating for me because I know that Tom Segura and Mike Tyson are fairly good friends

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so I'm assuming that it went Alex to Joe to Tom to Mike Tyson.

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I imagine that might even be a shorter road than that.

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That's possible.

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Because, I mean, Alex does have a bunch of, like because of Joe, a bunch of associations

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in the MMA and like fighting worlds.

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That's true.

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And so it's possible.

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Could be shorter.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I'm not impressed.

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I don't care.

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I'll wait and see what Alex produces but if that's what he was out there to do so far

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and that's what we know about, he was on that one podcast and he talked to Mike Tyson, I'm

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not imagining this is going to top his whole sneaking into Bohemian Grove thing.

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You know, the thing that launched his fucking career.

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I mean, Mike Tyson also has an Adult Swim cartoon, right?

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Does he?

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Yeah!

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It's like Mike Tyson's, it's like a Scooby Doo starring Mike Tyson.

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I imagine if like Mike Tyson being the star of it hasn't lost sponsors, him talking to

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Alex probably isn't going to lose some sponsors either.

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No, it really, it really doesn't.

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Yeah, man, I am, I'm not, I'm not convinced his trip was as amazing as he thinks.

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He's going to talk a little bit more about this as the show goes on but he goes to break

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and he comes back.

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This is so dumb.

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Hey, let's just sit back and listen to some of this music.

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It's some real poetry if you know the German.

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Exactly how I feel.

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So for what it's worth, Ramstein is a pretty left leaning band politically speaking.

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Oh yeah.

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Alex would think that they were demonic pedophiles if they were an American band.

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This song is called Engl and Alex is only saying that it's poetry because it's in German

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and he knows that the audience will just nod along and think that he's deep.

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In reality, it is fairly poetic but it's a deeply anti-religious song about how the lead

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singer doesn't want to be an angel and how the idea that if you're good in this life

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you get to be an angel, that's bullshit.

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Alex would hate just about everything about Ramstein from their politics to their support

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of the LGBTQ community but their music sounds angry and Alex likes to yell so he connects

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with that and he pretends that it's profound.

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It's about how you feel.

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Alex should hate that song.

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I mean, it doesn't matter.

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It doesn't matter.

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Like, of their songs that are singles that have come out, that probably is the one that

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he should hate the most.

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Sure.

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But I mean...

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At least Duhast is kind of like, it's vague enough.

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It's not explicitly anti-religious.

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You can fake your way through that.

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You hate me.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You get it.

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Or you have me.

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Yeah.

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It can happen.

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The American version is you hate me.

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But you don't have a choice to care in conservative worlds because conservatives make all the

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worst media.

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They make all the worst music.

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They make all the worst movies.

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They make all the worst stuff.

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There are probably some good outlaw country types who are a bit conservative.

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Sure.

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Yeah, totally.

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But you gotta assume that some of that's pretty good music.

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I'm not saying that.

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Look, it may be the exception that proves the rule.

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The point is, if all you've got is the best Christian music you've got, you're not gonna

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be as happy as the rest of us.

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That's probably true.

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So you don't really have much choice to care.

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You can't be like, oh, there's, ah.

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So you've got to listen to only music in other languages so you can pretend.

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Exactly, so you can fake it out.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That it's deeply patriot messaging.

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That makes perfect sense.

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Sure.

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Yep.

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So Alex gets to complaining about Joe Biden.

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He's at dementia.

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Uh-huh.

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He's on meth.

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Wait.

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Which one?

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Joe?

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I mean, which Biden?

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Joe Biden.

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Well, I mean, yeah.

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But which one?

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We know that Joe Biden's dead.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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That's in Project Camelot.

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Oh, this is-

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There's still just one Joe Biden recorded in For Wars.

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Jim Carrey.

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And how the establishment can continue to stick him in front of cameras, not knowing

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what's about to come out.

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I mean, if you thought Corn Pop and the blonde hair standing up and the black kids are like

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roaches, he said that, not me, if you sit there and think that's crazy, well, you don't

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know people with dementia.

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So he's somebody with dementia that they give methamphetamine to.

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His pupils are just jacked out.

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And they give him bags of blood.

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Yeah.

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And he didn't know what planet he's on.

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And let me tell you what's screwing up society and civilization.

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It really is drugs at the end of the day.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I was out in California for one of the biggest podcasts out there.

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I was hanging around with a very interesting, famous person.

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And because I'm literally like an anthropologist.

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People ask-

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What?

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Shut the fuck up.

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I got asked in my custody battle hearings five years ago, how often do you smoke marijuana?

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We hear you're a big drug addict.

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And I say about once a year, like a cultural thing, like a peace pipe.

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But it's so strong.

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I don't like it.

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Soros is funded and other groups making it weaponized.

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And they laughed at that then.

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They're not laughing now.

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I'm still laughing.

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I'm very much laughing.

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Yeah.

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And Alex is referring to hanging out with Mike Tyson and going to do that Full Send

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podcast.

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And I guess he got high while he was out there and it was pretty strong, which is obviously

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a Soros attack.

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The story of his vacation sounds so desperate and pathetic though.

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He seems to be saying that he flew to California to be on a podcast.

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And I would say that no matter what that podcast is, no podcast is worth flying across the

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country to be a guest on it.

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Maybe if you're an up and comer or trying to make a name for yourself, then you could

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see, like, let's say you're like a comic who went on the road with a friend of Rogan's

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and this person's fucking amazing.

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You get an offer to be on Rogan.

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I could see flying there that could be career making.

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Totally.

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Alex's brand is that he's already the most important person in media, so he shouldn't

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be so goddamn desperate to be associated with the Junior Varsity Rogan podcasts.

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Yeah.

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He went to Florida to be on Flagrant 2 and now he's going to California to be on this

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Full Send.

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It just seems really fucking thirsty.

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I think, and here's my suspicion, all right, he absolutely does not trust that he can make

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a voice call last long enough without the crew screwing something up.

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Wow.

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I mean, that's probably a good theory.

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I mean, really, that's why he has to be in person.

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Hey, look, Skype's breaking up.

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I can't even Skype on my own show, let alone for someone else's.

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Yeah.

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But also, how does the audience not get suspicious about all these trips he seems to be taking

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all the while yelling about how desperately he needs money to keep a show going.

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Shouldn't that set off some alarms, like these people, like he could pretend that he's doing

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like important anti-globalist business or something and like, I'm meeting with people

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behind the scenes.

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So that's nonsense.

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And Joel-

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He's going to try and just get clout by being on these fucking podcasts.

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Totally.

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But Joel Osteen can own four jets and be like, hey, the congregation needs to give me another

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jet and they're like, yes we do.

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In fairness, Alex is no Joel Osteen.

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That is true.

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That is true.

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But yeah, so Alex got high while he was out in California.

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Good for him.

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I guess.

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You know, you can control the percentage.

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I smoked some pot when I was out in California, where it's legal, and I still feel it two

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days later.

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Smoked it one time at one sitting with somebody whose initials start with an M and end with

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a, the point is, it's going to be huge when it comes out.

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But I mean, I did it when in Rome it's the Romans and I'm literally feel like marijuana

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felt in 1990 when I'd occasionally smoke it.

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Yes, he's still high a couple of days later from this Cali weed.

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Nothing, nothing quite like those kids being like, oh man, I'm so high right now.

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You didn't, you didn't actually smoke marijuana, buddy.

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You're lying.

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I mean, I will agree with him that even from when I was younger and you would get like

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swag with some shit weed, it was not, not nearly the potency that you see from things

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at the dispensary, for example.

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But I don't know if you're going to be high two days later.

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No, small town Illinois didn't get me past maybe 10, 12% THC content.

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And now you go up to 28, 29, you're going to have a good day.

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Those numbers didn't mean anything to me back when I was 18, 19.

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I didn't know, I didn't know there was such a thing as a content.

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And that's what I'm saying.

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Now, if you're worried about it, you don't have to smoke the most THC.

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You can go and they'll be like, oh, you only want 15%.

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That makes perfect sense.

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Yeah.

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Or you can just not smoke it.

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You got to do it once a year as a cultural thing.

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There's actually, it is kind of important.

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You go to LA, there is just plentiful weaponized marijuana, plentiful weaponized everything

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else everywhere.

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And fentanyl, and this is the chemical bio attack to take down America and turn us into

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zombies.

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And I'm not judging the people, you know, you got to go in and be in amongst it all.

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You know, you, you got to bond with them so I could then have a national discussion about

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this.

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But if I smoked pot like that every day, I'd be like these people, hell, I feel like I'm

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ready to lie down on the side of the road and go to sleep for a couple of months right

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now.

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I'm serious folks.

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I took five hits off California weed and I can barely get up.

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You ever smoked that California weed?

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It is fun.

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Callie Drew.

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It's so fun to live in two different worlds of weed legalization, you know, cause he still

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lives in that you can get a weed, you know, you can have a weed to smoke, you know, not

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like you can go to a store where they have the thing you want, you know?

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Yeah.

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It's crazy.

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But also like what a sacrifice Alex made for the greater good, you know, like I can't believe

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how selfless he is getting high with Mike Tyson so he could be amongst the stone people

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and get the word out about the new world order or something.

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What a fucking hero.

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Listen, you in small town, Texas, you need to support the man because no one is going

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to go to California and get high with Mike Tyson.

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Right.

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Not for you.

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He's such an anthropologist.

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He's bringing knowledge to the people.

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Also there's an element of this that is like him being like, I'm like Jesus really.

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Exactly.

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Like I was amongst the riffraff.

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I went into the den of sex workers in order to make sure that they received the same word

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of salvation that you among you do.

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That's amazing.

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Incidentally, this is also probably Alex's explanation for why he got wasted on Rogan's

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show because he needed to get the message out, he needed to be amongst the people.

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Also probably why he got so drunk on Logan Paul's show that Logan's co-host was subtly

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trying to get him to stop drinking through the show.

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Also probably why he got so drunk on his first time on Flagrant 2 that he took off his shirt

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and seemed to be in an active blackout.

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All of that was just part of the info war.

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It had nothing to do with Alex having a problem with substances and it being honestly more

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fun to be fucked up.

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Like that had nothing to do with it.

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You know, there is a field of anthropology that studies entirely about how much better

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it is to be high in the exact moment you're in.

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It's not historical anthropology.

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It's just, nope, that's just doing drugs.

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So Alex gets off this whole Callie Weed situation, goes back to talking about the Pope.

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Let me just read you a couple of these headlines here for you today.

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Pope Francis warns a final catastrophe, quote, could extinguish human race.

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I really should do the whole show on that.

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You do!

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He's absolutely telling the truth.

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Aw shit, looks like Harrison had the wrong take on this one.

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Oh my God.

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Alex knows where his bread is buttered and he's not going to expose the business like

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Harrison's stupid ass did at the top of the show.

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Sure, we hate the Pope, but in a situation like this you lose nothing by just agreeing

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with the Pope and saying he accidentally got this right or he has a bad reason to be right

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or something.

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That's the right move here from a propaganda standpoint and if there was even a drop of

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integrity at info wars and people meant anything that they said, this should be a huge problem

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between Harrison and Alex.

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For them, this isn't disagreeing about a news story.

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This is a deeply rooted theological disagreement because Harrison believes the Pope is wrong

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at least in part because the Bible doesn't say that humanity goes out like that.

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For Alex to entertain it as a possibility and even say that the Pope is right, that

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should be heretical talk according to Harrison.

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None of this means anything because this is a company full of extreme right wing zeal

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at con man liars, but I point this out to illustrate that if any of these people had

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any of the convictions they claimed they did, they could never coexist and work together.

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It would just be constant violence.

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Yeah, we would never be in this situation if they believed what they said because he

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would never have said that the Pope was lying about the end of the world because he believes

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that the world is ending.

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Well, actually I don't know about the inner workings of info wars.

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After this episode, Harrison might have stapled the 95 theses on Alex's office door.

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There may be a schism happening within info wars.

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That is possible.

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I may have spoken out of turn.

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Another thing that went wrong for Ireland, Martin Luther once again, blowing us up.

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So Alex has been gone for a bit and uh, you know, as he's been gone, uh, the situation

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in Ukraine has continued to be bad.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Has gotten better.

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So Alex has some thoughts.

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And I agree with Rand Paul and he said, Putin, miss calculated.

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Yeah.

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Why did he miscalculate?

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Why did his foreign service FSB had their, their, their CIA had, why did they tell them

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that everybody was going to surrender?

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Because let me tell you, if I knew that there would stay behind networks there, those stay

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behind networks hadn't been compromised or paid off, that the Russians would be in big

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trouble.

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If I knew that and I did, I told you, you know, the CIA has been over there training

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them 2014 cause I know folks that have been over there, but it's not even a secret.

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Then you, you know, Putin knew that or you knew that the FSB knew.

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So I mean, maybe, maybe, maybe Putin didn't know.

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He sure as hell has arrested the head of the FSB foreign intelligence service and his deputies

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and a bunch of others.

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How dangerous is that?

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And then this breaks yesterday, y'all who knows exclusive secret CIA training program

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in Ukraine.

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Well, Kieb prepare for Russian invasion, uh, yeah, but it didn't start in 2015, it started

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in 1945.

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Okay.

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So first off, right off the bat, this has no similarity with Alex's coverage of things

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before the war started or after the invasion began.

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This is a completely new narrative that he's pretending has been what he was saying all

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along and that's the case because Alex is a malicious liar.

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Also the CIA was founded in 1947 and Ukraine didn't withdraw from the Soviet union until

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1991.

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I guess when Alex says 1945, he just means the end of world war II.

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So I guess at that point, the, an organization that didn't exist yet was providing military

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training to a country that wasn't an independent country.

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At that point, it makes total sense.

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The Yahoo news article that Alex is talking about is about how after the 2014 invasion

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CIA groups did teach some tactics to Ukrainian soldiers, but a lot of this isn't as secret

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or nefarious as it sounds.

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No, of course not.

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From the article quote after Russia's 2014 incursion, the U S military also helped run

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a longstanding publicly acknowledged training program for Ukrainian troops in the country's

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Western region, far from the front lines.

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That program also included instruction on how to use javelin anti-tank missiles and

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sniper training.

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The story also includes some about the CIA providing anti javelin anti-tank missile training

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and sniper training.

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Right, right, right.

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I'm not saying this is a non story.

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It just doesn't carry the same kind of weight that Alex needs it to.

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Also in terms of Sergei Becerra, the head of the FSB who got arrested, it seems like

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Alex is writing a really generous story about that.

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Alex wants to create the image that everything Putin does is okay.

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So in this case, the head of the FSB was aware of stay behind networks and didn't tell Putin

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about them so that he would set into a trap.

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And that's why Putin rightly arrested him looking at it a different way.

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It might be the case that Putin is realizing that this whole thing is making them look

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a little bit weak.

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And in order to show strength, he's found a subordinate to blame and make a scapegoat.

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This is again, an example of Alex's editorial decision, clearly revealing his positions.

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He'll rationalize literally anything that Putin does.

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If Putin nuked the U S Alex would get on air the next day and say that Soros made him do

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it.

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That's to the point we're at now.

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Absolutely.

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It's bizarre.

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It is.

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It is very funny that his questions about why Putin did this, you know, like why was,

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why is he failing?

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Why wasn't his intelligence very good?

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The actual answers to that could be very useful to Alex as well, such as maybe autocratic

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leaders who control everything don't like hearing bad news about how their military

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can't do stuff.

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They like to hear only good things and only have things reinforced and only have people

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follow out their orders the way that they're supposed to.

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And when you do that, sometimes if you have bad intelligence, you make a huge drastic

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mistake that you continue to do for long after you should have that will eventually lead

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to you losing millions upon millions upon millions of dollars.

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So maybe, uh, the, the analog of this is Alex having everybody tell him that things are

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going great.

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Yeah.

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And instead of him going on a military adventure, he keeps going across the country to do podcasts

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and he can't afford it.

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Something along those lines.

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And everybody's like, yeah, you did great boss.

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Yup.

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Getting that tank was an all great idea.

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So smart, man.

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Don't rent.

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Yeah.

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Buy that thing.

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You got to own.

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Yeah.

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I'll leave you to your kids.

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So anyway, there's stay behind networks, which sure, whatever, whatever.

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But Alex makes a bizarre metaphor here.

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And the first war after world war two was not Korea.

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It was 1945 in Ukraine.

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That's actually in the mainline military history books, but the, you know, the cold war started

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on iron curtain has descended down as Churchill said over Eastern Europe.

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And so stay behind networks that the Nazis had the U S came in.

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And that's why they recruited Adolph Ackman and that's in Klaus Barbie and Joseph Mengele

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and all the rest of them was so they could control those networks and try to hold off

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the Soviets political coups and overthrows in Eastern Europe.

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And in some areas that were successful and most, they weren't, but then those stay behind

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networks never went away.

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And so the United States simply reactivated them.

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And isn't it funny, you can put seeds, almost any plant seed in a drawer for hundreds of

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years and they'll still be good when you plant them, they've dug up seeds in 3000 year old

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Egyptian tombs sprout perfectly later.

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So you wonder why when they put the miracle grow of an overthrow and a civil war on Ukraine,

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when Soros did that, that up came up out of the dirt to Soros, beautiful comrades he fought

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with against the Russians in world war two.

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Beautiful comrades came popping back up because they were just laying there dormant for 75

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years under the soil, their, their children and grandchildren.

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This metaphor completely got away from Alex.

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That was out of control.

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So the stay behind networks he's trying to make his audience think of involves operation

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Gladio.

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And we've talked about that a bit in the past, but suffice it to say, isn't involved in any

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of the reality of the things we're talking about here.

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This all sounds pretty like a fun metaphor though.

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Like seeds never die, Soros planted the seeds of rebellion that laid dormant until the uprising

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was triggered.

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It feels good for Alex to say, you know, like laying out this metaphor until he starts realizing

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what he's saying.

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He runs into two very serious problems.

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The first is that seeds don't live forever.

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I was going to, I was going to say, most are not viable after a few years.

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And this is the case when they're properly stored and and preserved.

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There are some ancient seeds that have been viable and could be planted, but they're absolutely

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the exception, not the rule.

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The oldest seed that's been viable and still planted was a Judean Palm, which was 2000

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years old.

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But the next oldest is 1300 years old.

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The next oldest seed that's been able to be germinated.

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That's a big jump.

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I mean, it's still old, but that is big, 700 years.

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That's almost 50% of the time.

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It's pretty big.

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It's really rare for this to actually work.

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And there have been a ton of hoaxes where people plant seeds that they claim are old,

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but they're actually just current day seeds.

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This has probably seen like daily mail headlines about these hoaxes and assumed that it happens

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all the time.

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I'm not sure why you said it was papyrus, but I guess it was just because that's a word

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that sounds like an ancient thing.

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Yeah, it's from Egypt, papyrus.

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The second problem is that when he started the metaphor, I don't think he realized how

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far back he was going.

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If these state behind networks were set up in 1945, then assuming the members were 18

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at that point, they'd be like 100 now.

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Ah, no, what you don't understand is that they were shot out of a rocket at relativistic

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speeds towards Alpha Centauri.

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And then when they got back around...

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No, no, no, they went to beetle-gweeze, as Alex said.

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Yes.

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But see, because they were irrelevant, they didn't age, right?

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And they were training the whole time.

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I think that your theory is interesting, but assuming that that isn't the case.

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It's as good as his.

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They would be 100 years old, and I don't know how effective a 100-year-old state-behind

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network would be at repelling a Russian invasion.

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I saw Indiana Jones in The Last Crusade, and that old dude did not fight well.

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Yep, 100 years old is tough for infantrymen.

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So it's a ludicrous idea, which is why Alex realizes his mistake and how dumb that sounds.

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So he says that it's the children and grandchildren of those state-behind networks.

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This is so stupid.

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He can't prove that these networks exist, and even if he did, now he has to somehow

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find a way to show that they passed down their positions generationally.

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This is just really, really dumb stuff, and it's just leading me to suspect that Alex

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is still high.

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I think he might still be high from his trip.

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I do like the idea of some teenager being like, I don't want to be in a state-behind

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network, Dad!

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You're going to be in a state-behind network because one day Soros is going to put Miracle

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Grow on us.

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I want to paint!

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I want to paint, Dad!

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You will be.

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I was in a state-behind network.

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My father before me was in a state-behind network.

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We are a state-behind network family.

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Churchill himself put us here!

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Yeah, alright.

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It's a fun picture.

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It works.

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Yeah, no, that's great.

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So Alex knows a lot about the situation historically between Russia and Ukraine.

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Yes.

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Clearly.

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And that's why everyone thinks he's a bad guy, because he knows facts, like things that

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were put out by Putin in press releases.

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Totally.

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We hate people who know facts here.

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Yeah, but he's not taken aside.

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That's what people can't grasp.

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But still, I don't support Putin in what he's done.

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I know all the facts about it, or a lot of the facts, so I'm the bad man, because you

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know, you don't want the public actually knowing the pieces to make their own decision.

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And my decision is, let's end this war real quick.

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The West helped start it with state-behind networks.

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Putin took the bait and came in.

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It endangers the world.

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Both sides have arguments.

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Let's end this now.

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Like the Pope said, we need peace, we need a deal, we need to stop this right now.

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And I'm not usually dealing, agreeing with the Pope, or even Biden saying we could have

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World War III.

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It just, it needs to stop.

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And instead of being on Ukraine's side, like all the left and the media's calling for World

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War II, or instead of being on the Russian side saying Putin's perfect and he deserves

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it all and he's right and let's get behind him and crush, you know, Putin's just start

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leveling cities.

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He'll show them what to do.

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No, let's not do any of that.

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If you had to blame somebody, it's Soros and the left and the globalists.

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You have to pick who started this and who drew first blood and who got this all going

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and who poked the bear over and over again so it would come down the path and step in

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the bear trap.

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Yeah, it's the globalists.

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It's the new world order.

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It's Barack Obama.

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It's towards Soros.

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Yes.

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Wow.

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That kind of undercuts your whole point about not taking a side.

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So I'm not going to take a side.

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I am just going to say that it is entirely Obama's fault that we are here.

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Obviously it's the left and Soros and not Putin whatsoever.

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I'm not on his side, but he is blameless in this situation.

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This is again these editorial acts that just reveal your actual positions.

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Alex can say that he's neutral or whatever, he doesn't support Putin, but the compounded

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effect of literally every piece of information that he provides is Putin is right, Putin

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is good, the invasion is justified.

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Right.

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That CIA story, the Stay Behind Network started in 1945, not 2015, immediately following Putin

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annexing a country that he, you know, it wasn't in response to something that has already

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happened.

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Right, absolutely not.

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It was crazy.

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It was Obama.

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Out of the blue.

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It was Obama and Soros.

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Obama was a madman, dictator, crazy guy.

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I can't think of anyone more mad.

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So this clip is nuts, but I did like the way that Alex is kind of laying out this idea

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that what you should do is you should think globalistly.

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I'm sorry, what?

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Think globalistly.

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And act localist.

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Exactly.

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So the answer is seeing the whole thing from a globalist perspective, but being against

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their agenda, understanding what they're doing, but then saying, I'm not going to be part

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of this.

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I'm going to find a solution out of this so we don't kill each other and stop with this

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war model that we can't engage in now because of nuclear weapons and other things.

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Of course, the biolabs are real.

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Of course, all this is insane.

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The people running our country hate us.

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They hate us more than the Russians.

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One thing about being in L.A. for three days, man, I get sick every time I'm there.

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What did you say?

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Allergies like the toxic dust.

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Every time I go there, I get a huge headache and just feel like hell.

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I don't know why I'm going off on a tangent here, but man.

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Good question.

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Beautiful place.

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A lot of amazing stuff, but man.

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Cool.

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I hope Alex didn't get COVID again.

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I guess we probably won't know for a while if he did because he lied about it the other

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times he got it and came to work and exposed his entire crew to it that he'd rather do

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that than admit that he might have been wrong about it being real and serious and something

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he can catch.

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It's probably just like a California curse.

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Gotta be.

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I would assume.

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It's gotta be California.

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The weed was laced with the flu.

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It's gotta be.

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It's gotta be.

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There's a biolab in Ukraine.

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That's where it came from.

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That's unfortunate, but we're going to talk about that a little bit more as the episode

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goes on, so we'll leave that aside for right now.

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I like, though, that Alex's solution is literally a non-solution.

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He has absolutely no solution that's being provided here, and every single one of his

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talking points is backing up Putin's narrative of the war.

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Soros and Obama are to blame, ultimately.

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He was just trying to wipe out these dangerous bioweapon labs.

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This is wall-to-wall weasel-ass Putin propaganda, and Alex is too much of a coward to admit

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his real positions.

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He can say he's nuanced and he sees both sides, but the reality of this content, the information

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that he's covering, is deeply one-sided, and everything he brings up is something meant

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to legitimize Putin's invasion.

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And when he says, like, we need to end this war now, it's like there's basically one person

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who can do that.

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It's not Ukraine that's continuing this war.

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No, no, no, no.

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Nope.

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So deal with that, you dick.

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But also, think globalistically, act locally, is fun.

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That is fun.

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Because Alex is sort of presenting this idea that if you want to save the world, all you

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have to do is pretend you're fighting a shadowy, all-powerful group of villains whose plans

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are really dumb and they come from your imagination.

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Ha ha.

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I mean, it was originally Steve Harvey's sequel to Think Like a Woman, Act Like a Man, or

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whatever it was.

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Right, right, right.

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Think Like a Globalist, Act Like a Patriot.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I think it's crazy to me that you can say, okay, well, all of Putin's justifications

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for this war are true and right.

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Yeah.

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Now, I'm not on his side.

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I'm not saying that he is totally justified in this by his own justifications, because

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if not, why not?

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His justifications you have said are true, so why aren't you supporting him?

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That's a very simple...

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That's a huge question that Alex doesn't want to answer.

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Never answer that ever.

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And the second piece of that is, what information are you relying on other than things directly

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from Putin to assert these talking points that Putin has put out as justifications of

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the war as being correct?

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The person you specifically noted lied to you.

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Well, he pretends that episode didn't happen.

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That is true.

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That's a good episode to pretend.

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That episode didn't happen.

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That didn't ever happen.

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And all of Alex's stories in the lead-up to the war and with the invasion happened.

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Sure, never happened.

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Those didn't.

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No, no.

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No, absolutely not.

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This is all about stay-behind networks that Alex has been warning about, and he was very

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aware of.

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So did Putin...

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At the end of February.

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Wait, so did Putin pay off the stay-behind networks and they betrayed him?

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Maybe that's what Alex is thinking.

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That's what it's got to be, right?

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But still, that wasn't a topic of conversation up until this point.

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Seems like it would be.

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You'd think.

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It'd be really important.

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So we've got another headline here.

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Okay.

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Let me get into some more of the headlines here.

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Oh, how loving.

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I mentioned this earlier.

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US sending suicide drones to Ukraine.

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Oh, wow, that's an interesting headline for Alex to use, because based on the wording

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of it, I know exactly where it came from.

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Other outlets reported on this story saying switchblade drones, but the site that uses

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this headline, suicide drones, is informationliberation.com.

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I decided to check out some of their most recent articles, and oh, man, what's going

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on here?

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Quote, these storms will contribute to Russia's glory.

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Putin holds giant rally in packed Moscow stadium.

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That's not good.

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Interesting.

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That's an interesting headline.

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That's not going to go well.

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Oh, here's a little bit further down the feed.

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Quote, Zelensky delivers his funniest performance yet in speech before US Congress.

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Wow.

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Oh, boy.

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I can see disagreeing with Zelensky or possibly even being opposed to Ukraine.

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I guess.

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You could maybe, I don't know exactly how you would, but whatever.

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It's a position that someone could have.

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But it's another level of being a shithead to say that speech was funny.

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This line was probably really funny to this blogger.

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Quote, I'm almost 45 years old.

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Today my age stopped when the hearts of more than 100 children stopped beating.

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I see no sense in life if it cannot stop the deaths.

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This is my mission as the leader of my people and the leader of my nation.

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So I guess that's funny to this guy.

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Yeah, hilarious.

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Ha, this one doesn't sound good.

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Quote, the great Jewish oligarchs escape.

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Russian oligarchs flee to Israel and bid to dodge sanctions.

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I was literally going to make a joke headline.

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No, don't need to.

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Nope, don't even need to bother with it.

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Interestingly.

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Non-whites, do we need them?

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Interestingly, this was covering an article in Heretz titled, quote, the great oligarchs

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escape.

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But this blog decided to add Jewish to it and to make the whole story really just an

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exercise in the anti-Semitic dual loyalty trope that's a classic in white nationalist

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and neo-Nazi communities.

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It's really weird.

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It's a great way to do it.

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Weird.

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Oh, here's some important news that they decided to cover.

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Quote, Patriarch Kuril, conflict in Ukraine is a battle against a godless international

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order built on gay pride parades.

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This was about the spiritual leader of the Russian Orthodox Church and Putin ally, Patriarch

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Kuril, making some really dumb comments.

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Quote, today there is such a test for the loyalty of this government, a kind of pass

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to that happy world, the world of excess consumption, the world of visible freedom.

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Do you know what that test is?

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The test is very simple and at the same time terrible.

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This is a gay parade.

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So yeah, this leader at Putin ally gave a speech about how you, hey, you want to end

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the club?

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Hey.

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You got to have a gay parade.

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There is nothing that gets one closer to God than really blaming the murder of thousands

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of people on gay people existing.

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That's just, ugh.

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So here's a bad one article that they posted just before the invasion.

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Here's the headline.

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I'm going to read it to you and you can tell me if this blogger thinks that this is a good

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or a bad thing.

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Let's hear it.

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Quote, Putin gives blood and soil speech on Ukraine unifying with Russia.

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Okay, well that's probably going to be a bad thing because we all know that blood and soil

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speech is, you know, it's a very specific reference to a certain type of speech.

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It's not good.

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Oh, it's not good?

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No, he loves it.

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Oh, that's bad.

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Here's the beginning of the article.

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Quote, Vladimir Putin on Monday delivered an impassioned speech accusing the Ukrainian

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government of operating a kleptocracy controlled by corrupt oligarchs and a quote, network

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of foreign advisors and non-governmental organizations and made the case for a reunification with

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Russia as one people bound by blood and Christianity.

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Oh boy.

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Man, I got to say this website looks totally above board and the sort of place that I would

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be shopping for articles to cover on my show if I were Alex.

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This website is almost offensively biased and Alex knows that.

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Yeah.

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He gets his news from aggressively pro-Putin sites and espouses strictly pro-Putin messaging

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while hiding behind this facade that he's exploring both sides.

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Alex does this because he's fully aware that Putin is the aggressor in the war and that

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if he stopped attacking Ukraine, there would be no further war.

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There isn't anything that Ukraine can do to stop the war other than acquiesce to Putin's

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demands and essentially no longer be a sovereign country.

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Alex can play the game of just insisting that the war needs to end and that sounds great

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if you're not paying attention.

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The war does need to end.

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Alex is just pretending that the guy he supports isn't the only person who can make that happen.

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And an instant.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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That's ridiculous.

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I resent this attempt to appear like moderate while at the same time, like you're taking

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your news from this fucking blog that is disgustingly pro-Putin to the level of mocking as funny

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Zelensky's speech where he discusses needing help and the civilians being killed.

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It's abhorrent.

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I mean, I, what I see from this, uh, from so much of that, especially the people trying

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to like run interference for it is, um, it's smart to get people to think it's okay to

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murder people based on false reasons if you are a conservative propagandist.

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Um, so it is, uh, you know, you don't want to say that it's wrong for Putin to just go

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murder people because then people might connect that to you going and murdering people and

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then you won't be allowed to do it.

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I think that there might be some of that underneath the surface, but I think there's also a pot

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committed kind of thing in the poker terms.

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I think that there's just a level to which Alex has built up Putin as the enemy of the

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globalists and, and all this.

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And to accept and admit that he's carrying out a war that is unnecessary and is targeting

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civilians, uh, and is terrorizing people, um, it, it would lend you, or it would require

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you to take the side of the quote unquote globalist and Alex can't get himself to that

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point.

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I feel like it's not that hard to, to go from, uh, Putin miscalculated to, uh oh Putin's

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tricked us.

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You know, just be like, he's a liar.

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He lied to me.

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Just say he's a liar and he's a secret global globalist the whole time.

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But then maybe the globalists are good.

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You can't be a secret globalist the whole time because he's fighting against Ukraine

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that is full of Soros and stay behind networks.

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Sure, but he's a, there's a stay behind network.

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He can be a deep agent.

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He's part of the deep sa- Trump is a secret patriot for 50 years.

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Can't do it.

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Alex tried to play that Zelensky who was a double agent for Putin for a while.

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That didn't work.

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That did not go well.

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No, but think about this too.

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There is no hope for this anti globalist leadership if Putin isn't that, because who do you have

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then?

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Is that a scenario?

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That's not going to rally in the inter, like, Brazil is not a insignificant country, but

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it's not a world superpower.

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Right.

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In order to create the kind of situation where there's a multipolar world, um, where there's

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a check, I guess, of potential hostility against the, uh, the UN or the global government as

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Alex would put it, like, you need a superpower to be led by an anti globalist person.

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Yeah.

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And that, Putin is required for that.

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Yeah.

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And it would take Erdogan literally being like, haha, we're out of NATO, surprise, we're

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now evil, ahh, to be, yeah.

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And then, oh.

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Now evil.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Sure.

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First time.

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There's just, there's no hope for the possibility of, like, leadership.

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No.

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And like, Trump is gone.

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Yeah.

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He's probably not coming back.

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Maybe he is.

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Who knows?

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Yeah.

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But even if he does, it's not going to be, like, it's, we've played that game already.

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It's, it's, it's sour grapes for, for Alex.

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Um, and I think that's a big part of what he can't give up on is that, like, if Putin

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were to.

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Well, a strong man can't lose.

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Right.

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If a strong man loses, he's not strong.

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Well, a strong man can lose if you're against them.

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Well, sure.

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Well, yeah.

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But your strong man can't lose.

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Right.

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If you're against ideology or you're, you're, the, the story that you're telling, it doesn't

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continue past that point.

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We don't know about Casey's next at bat.

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So we get another headline or something, maybe a headline, I don't know.

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Enemy of the people, fake news media begged for war during White House press briefing.

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We've got this slobbering event as a bunch of women called for war.

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I thought women were anti-war.

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That's a fun little bit of sexism there.

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Great.

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In this case, who told Alex that women were against war?

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Well, considering that one reason he hated Hillary Clinton so much was that she was a

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war monger.

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Wow.

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That's true.

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It seems like it would be hard to go back now and say that women are against war.

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Yeah.

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I think maybe he's thinking of Greta Thunberg.

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I suppose.

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Children.

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I thought children were supposed to be against war.

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Well, yeah, they are, buddy.

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So this was a compilation of clips of reporters in the press room asking if there was a point

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where Biden would see as like a red line.

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It does come off a bit bad, and I do think that there's a preoccupation with the idea

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of a larger war breaking out.

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But these reporters weren't begging for a war so much as they were trying to get information

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that they can report.

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And one of the main questions on the readers' minds, presumably, is whether or not there's

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a situation where Biden would consider sending troops and going to war.

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Right.

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I'm not going to spend my time defending it, but Alex is misrepresenting this clip and

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weirdly using it as a strange attack on women.

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Sure.

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Why not?

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Fun.

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Yeah.

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That's the Obama lesson, which is don't say openly that there's a red line, because when

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it gets crossed and you don't do shit about it, you're fucked.

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I think that that's probably a great policy in general.

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Yeah.

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Don't make that kind of a specific...

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It's too chaotic.

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Speaking of chaos, we've got a guest coming in, someone we haven't heard from in a while.

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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

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We've got really one of the best experts we could have on about this, Dr. Francis Boyle.

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Oh, no.

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He went to Harvard and other universities and got the special degree PhD, the only handout

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once a year.

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The same one Kissinger got, the same one Kissinger administered, so he got that top view of the

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Anglo-American globalist arm.

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So you like Kissinger?

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Of course, he did many other things.

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He wrote the US chemical and then later biological weapons laws, then was instrumental in the

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UN treaties as well.

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He was the lead UN, also prosecutor in some of the biggest war crimes cases ever, including

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Sullivan Milajevic.

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His pedigree is known, we don't need to go over it here.

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It's really interesting how Francis Boyle stopped showing up on the show for a really

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long stretch where Alex didn't see much money in pushing the Wuhan lab conspiracies, either

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because the audience was getting bored of them or because there wasn't any new territory

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to cover there.

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Either way, without that being a hot topic, Francis Boyle is straight up worthless as

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a guest.

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He's boring.

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He's a crank, and in order to introduce him in a way that the audience alike, you have

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to lie about his credentials.

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A couple of quick corrections.

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The bioweapon law that Boyle wrote wasn't adapted into the one that the UN uses.

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The US version Boyle wrote was adapted from the UN version.

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Alex always lies about this because his version makes it appear like Boyle is influencing

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international law as opposed to the reality that he was just adapting international law

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so it would apply domestically in the United States.

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And actually, when you kind of think about that, that's what a globalist might do.

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Well, what he had to do was remove the U's from color, because in American, color doesn't

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have the U.

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That's true.

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So, I mean, that's a pretty big deal.

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And you have to change United Nations to United States.

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Yeah, yeah, that's tough.

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That is tough.

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Also, he wasn't a prosecutor, let alone the lead one in the case against Milosevic.

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Boyle helped write the indictment in that case.

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Also, Alex should be opposed to that because that was a case that was heard in the UN,

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which Alex can't believe has any jurisdiction.

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I don't know why he picked some chooses.

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Yeah, whatever.

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You win some, you lose some.

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Alex probably doesn't want to get into the weeds with Boyle's resume, at least partially

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because he represented the provisional government of the state of Palestine, as well as many

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native groups like the Lakota Nation, and he was formerly on the board of Amnesty International,

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who Alex has called a child trafficking operation in the past.

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Sure.

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Anyway, I appreciate some of the folks that Boyle has represented, but this dude sucks.

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The Ukraine biolab shit is flying around, so Alex remembered that Boyle exists.

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He's got to trot his boring ass down for a chat.

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Fun.

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Great.

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Great.

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So we got Boyle in there to justify Putin killing people.

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In a manner.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Alex, they get into the biolab thing here.

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He's also an expert on biological weapons labs.

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I'm very frustrated in that I have hundreds of articles admitting that Obama and others

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went and basically refurbished these Soviet-era labs.

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It was in the Washington Post, whichever, it's not debatable.

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And then Victoria Middleton comes out last week, again, the deputy secretary of state

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and the Ukraine expert, as they call her, and admits that the labs are there.

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But then the media simultaneously says they don't exist.

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We made them up.

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And then you're a Russian agent if you say they exist.

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And then, oh, but the Russians have seized two of them that don't exist.

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USA Today and CNN say they're going to attack us with them, but they don't exist.

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And so it just seems like we've entered a land of beyond, beyond the Tea Party and Alice

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in Wonderland.

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I mean, this is just.

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It takes brass balls to accuse something of being like the Tea Party when that's what

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you called your political party.

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It's real weird.

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So here's the game that's being played.

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Alex and his weirdo propagandist friends make an incendiary accusation based on years-old

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Russian propaganda.

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In fact, the exact accusation Russia used in terms of other invasions, like in Georgia.

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Alex says there's bioweapon labs run by the U.S. and Ukraine, and starts building a conspiracy

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about how that's why Putin is invading.

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Though he may not have originated the claim, he amplifies it, and part of that information

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space create elaborate stories to flesh out this conspiracy, to the point where a bunch

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of idiots online are convinced that that's where COVID got made.

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Folks who know things push back and say that this is ridiculous and there aren't bioweapons

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labs run by the United States in Ukraine.

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They aren't saying that there aren't any biological labs in the country, and aren't covering up

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U.S. support for their modernization efforts, but they are pushing back against the stupid

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overblown conspiracy.

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Now, Alex is taking those denials and pretending they were actually denying that there were

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no labs in the country, and this is super confusing to him.

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Things get confusing when you just make shit up all the time and attack your imaginary

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enemies, and you constantly lose the thread.

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You imagine what they are saying back, and ugh, it's all exhausting.

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Also, Obama has nothing to do with the starting of this partnership between Kiev and the United

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States in terms of modernizing those labs.

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That dates back to at least 2005, and the weapon non-proliferation treaty we signed

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with them years before Obama was president.

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Also if Alex has the-

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In 1945.

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You have to say it slower.

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Sorry, my bad.

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Also, if Alex has all these old articles about Obama making weapons labs in Ukraine, how

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was there no mention of this in the lead up to the invasion?

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It seems like all this shit would be relevant, and it's definitely a large part of his coverage

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now, but it feels like this only became a talking point Alex was aware of after Putin

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and Putin-aligned media started pushing the story as a means to justify that invasion.

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Seems weird.

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It wasn't even a kernel in Alex's mind in the days before the invasion, or even the

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day of.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Weird.

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Yep, yep.

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Weird.

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I do like that, like, ugh, they refurbished them.

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How evil.

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Shouldn't it be a simple question of like, hey, what do you want in foreign biolabs?

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Do you want them to have drips dropping from the ceiling and leaky shit everywhere, or

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do you want it to be safe?

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Obviously.

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There's that-

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It's not hard.

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And there's a reason why labs require keeping some of these samples around, and I think

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that some people often don't understand exactly why that is.

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There's a number of reasons, but one of them that is never discussed by Alex is that in

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order to calibrate testing equipment, you need a sample of the thing that you would

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be testing for in order to assure that this thing works.

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No, guess.

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The machine works.

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Just guess.

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Just toss it out there.

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You can't do that.

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Seems like it would work.

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That's what I want biolabs to say.

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Seems like it'll go.

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Hey, we're winging it.

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Yeah, it sounds good.

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It is important high-risk, high-level stuff, and I think knowing that you need to keep

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these samples on hand, whether it be for some kind of a test, some kind of an experiment,

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or some kind of calibration of equipment, you need it to be safe.

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You need it to be secure, and that was a large part of the U.S. involvement in these labs

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that already existed.

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It's not like they're running-

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Sure.

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Anyway.

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I mean, the conspiracy mind is that preparation for a disaster is preparation to make the

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disaster happen.

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Of course.

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Well, when it's convenient.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Unless you're preparing for a different disaster that won't happen.

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Right.

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Alex sells survival food.

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Exactly.

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Is he planning to burn all the crops in America?

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Yes, obviously.

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That's how this conspiracy works.

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It's Monsanto.

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He's trying to do it.

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So Boyle starts, and he starts bad.

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In six minutes to break, what is your synopsis?

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If you were briefing the world, you are briefing millions right now, about the sum knowledge

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of what you would call this sleepwalking into Armageddon, or what is it?

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Well, Alex, thank you very much for having me.

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I have my best year viewing your audience.

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Yes, it's-

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Good work.

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As I see it, we really have to start with the promises made by Secretary of State Jim

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Baker and many of the other NATO leaders, that if Secretary General Gorbachev agreed

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to the unification of Germany, NATO would not move to the east.

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But once Clinton got in there, they proceeded to expand NATO to the east.

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The promises that Baker and the other European leaders made to Gorbachev were binding under

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international law.

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This is bullshit, and Boyle is just repeating things he's heard.

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Gorbachev has given interviews about the negotiations with Baker, and he said that the topic of

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other countries joining NATO never came up.

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There wasn't an agreement except that NATO troops would not be stationed in East Germany.

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So we're starting off here on a false premise that only serves to legitimize Putin's argument

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for invading.

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And to be clear, I'm not necessarily saying that NATO expansion is a positive thing, and

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I think there's a lot of fine arguments against NATO in how it operates.

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What I am saying is that claiming that NATO agreed to not expand what Gorbachev negotiated

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with Baker is not true.

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And even if it were, it wouldn't be a justification for invading Ukraine when two other NATO countries

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already border Russia, and Ukraine is not going to be joining anytime soon.

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Bigger problem, Boyle is supposed to be an expert in international law.

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And I guess if he really believes this line, then Boyle shouldn't have a problem arguing

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that a preemptive strike against any NATO country should be justified if Russia did

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it.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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I mean, you could say that NATO is in talks with any country.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Or any country that recently joined, like Montenegro joined not too long ago.

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Well, yeah.

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But everybody's got to take down Montenegro.

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Even NATO is like, well, we're going to go down there.

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We're going to join you.

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Yeah.

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The rationalizations and justifications you could make based on believing this are staggering.

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You could just do anything, more or less.

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What's so insane is when you're redoing, when you're redrafting past treaties, you're not

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accounting for the fact that Putin is the fucking president of Russia, man.

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We're dealing with his bullshit.

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Not even really the way he's reacting to treaties in the past or anything like that.

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This is a dude who is a megalomaniacal lunatic who is trying to re-form the Soviet Union.

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It wouldn't matter if NATO was weaker or stronger.

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And you're imagining some kind of a reality where he hasn't broken treaties.

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Yeah, totally.

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Yeah.

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What are we doing?

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Now Putin has-

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Oh, Putin said he was fine.

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... followed the exact word of the law and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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blah, blah, blah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Let's really parse his actions in Syria and see how well that holds up.

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So speaking of treaties, Boyle has some other dumb shit to say.

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In December, as you know, the Russian government submitted two treaties to NATO and to the

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Biden administration.

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I've read them.

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I won't go through all of them here.

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There was a wish list, okay.

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But the bottom line was Russia wanted assurances that Ukraine was not going to join NATO and

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that NATO would not expand, say, to Moldova and Georgia, which are right there, too, in

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this area.

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And for two months, the, for Ms. Laval, fruitlessly negotiated with the Biden administration over

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this.

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And Biden refused, absolutely refused, to make these assurances, which he should have

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given because they were required by the promises that Jim Baker had made for Bush senior.

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Who cares?

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Yeah.

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In Boyle's world, Putin is asking for assurances of things that are already established international

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laws.

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Biden's response doesn't matter.

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However, if Boyle's wrong and all this didn't happen and there wasn't a guarantee, then

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it's really just Putin making demands and Biden not acquiescing to them.

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Yeah.

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Also, there's a reason that Boyle isn't going into the details about these December treaty

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demands.

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Because they're a bit overreaching and some have suggested that they were designed to

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be rejected to give the appearance of trying to have a diplomatic approach.

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No.

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One request is the demand that NATO not expand, specifically to include Ukraine, but also

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generally to not any other countries.

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The other main request is a little stickier.

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He wanted Biden's shoes now.

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That might've been fine.

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That probably would've been fine.

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This was that they wanted NATO to agree to not deploy any troops or weapons to any country

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that had joined NATO past 1997.

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Yeah, I don't think they're going to be happy with that one.

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I doubt that one's going to be fine.

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The date was 1997 because that was when an agreement was signed between NATO and Russia

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called the Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation, and Security between NATO and

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the Russian Federation.

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This was an agreement aimed at warming relations and specifically deals with NATO countries

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not deploying nuclear weapons to member states.

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Also weirdly, in that document that both NATO and Russia agreed to, it says, quote, NATO

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has expanded and will continue to expand its political functions and take on new missions

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of peacekeeping and crisis management in support of the United Nations and the Organization

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for Security and Cooperation in Europe.

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Seems like that shouldn't be in there based on Boyle's understanding of things.

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Why would Russia agree to a document that says NATO has expanded and will expand?

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Well, because they've already paid off the Russian military and Zelensky is a double

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agent and it's all making sense now.

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It all started back then in 1945.

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Zelensky wasn't president in 97.

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1945 is when he first took office.

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Oh, right.

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Okay.

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So the ask that Russia was making at the end of 2021 was a non-starter because essentially

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what it would do is make NATO say that these countries that have joined since 1997, here's

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a list of them, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania,

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Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro, and North Macedonia,

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they would all be in the alliance, but also if they were in trouble, NATO wasn't going

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to be able to help.

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It would basically undermine the entire premise of an alliance and leave all of these countries

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on their back foot unprepared for a possible incursion.

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Also, from 1997 to 2014, it wasn't a super common practice for states to send troops

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or weapons to new member states unless there was an emergency.

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But that trend changed after Putin invaded and annexed Ukraine.

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See, there was the thing.

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Yeah, that was the thing.

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See, he did the thing.

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Right.

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That was actually a bit of a game changer from a strategic perspective.

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Now naturally, this isn't an agreement that Biden is going to accept.

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And guess what?

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Even if he wanted to, he couldn't.

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It would be up to NATO.

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They vote.

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Biden doesn't run NATO.

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For Boyle to claim that this was a sincere effort on Putin's part and that there was

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a rejection of peace on Biden's part is completely absurd and reveals only that he's probably

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a big consumer of far-right Putin-supporting media, probably like reads information liberation

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over breakfast.

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Yeah.

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It's nonsense.

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I mean, I find it hard to believe that.

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If Biden were to come out and have capitulated to every demand that Putin made, I find it

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hard to believe the far-right would be like, yay, good work.

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It is a great idea for the leader of our sovereign nation to give in immediately to anything

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that he wants.

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There would be one faction that's like, you're showing weakness.

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Totally.

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And then there would be another faction that's like, ah, he's given an inch, now Putin take

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over America.

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And they're going to go back and forth.

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They're so stupid.

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I hate these people.

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Yep.

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I hate them.

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What a dumb thought Boyle has.

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And I think even today, I'm in favor of stopping the war.

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It could be stopped today if President Biden were to get up and announce and say publicly,

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yes, Ukraine will not be joining NATO.

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NATO will not be expanding to the east in Georgia, Moldova or elsewhere.

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And the rest we're prepared to negotiate, certainly over removing U.S. nuclear weapons

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for Europe.

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This is so stupid.

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Biden saying that NATO won't expand means nothing.

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He doesn't control that unilaterally.

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And even if he did, I thought the premise of war was supposed to be about denazifying

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Ukraine or shutting down bioweapon labs or taking back the Dumbass region, which is rightfully

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Russia is an under attack by Ukraine.

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I've lost the plot.

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I don't really know what we're supposed to be justifying anymore.

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See, I feel like if you have these justifications, then before a peace treaty, even including

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like you get we're not NATO is not going to move all this stuff.

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Right.

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It would have to handle the Ukraine situation.

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So if you wanted to have a peace treaty, then you would have to say, OK, well, Ukraine is

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going to give up its leadership of itself.

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It is going to put everything under the control of Putin.

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It is Russia now.

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It's going to consume only Russian pro media for as long as it takes for them to stop listening

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to the West ever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I feel like we're a little bit past that being a take that's going to work.

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Seems like it's not going to go.

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I may be a little salty, in part because this is incredibly frustrating to try to pay attention

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to, like all these various reasons why this invasion is OK.

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There's no consistency.

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The point changes from day to day.

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And yet what remains and is ever-present is the insistence that Infowars is totally right

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and that whatever they're saying today is what they've said all along.

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I know this isn't news, but it's really getting to me a little bit more than usual, and maybe

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it's because it's about a war.

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Speaking of war, what Boyle is functionally advocating for, like you brought up, is a

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complete acquiescence to Putin and the surrender of Ukraine to his rule.

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He may not think that that's what he's saying, and he has a bunch of bad arguments to throw

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around, but the state of affairs he wishes to see is for everyone resisting Putin's invasion

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of Ukraine to just stop and let him take over the country.

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That's the end result.

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If your only conversation, if your thoughts on how to stop the war have nothing to do

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with Ukraine whatsoever, entirely about NATO not expanding, then you're just saying that

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Ukraine should be Putin's.

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At this point, for sure.

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That's it.

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Well, Boyle brought up that treaty from late last year, and Alex decides to riff on it

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a little.

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And so it is true that all these treaties expired, the U.S. did not want to negotiate

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and let them expire, and so Putin saw this again as, wow, they've cut all their Cold

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War era and post-Cold War nuclear agreements, they're going to war with us.

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I mean, for people that aren't a diplomat like you, a top diplomat, former diplomat,

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that's a major provocation.

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I'm going to get your take on that when we come back and talk about where this is all

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going, but yeah.

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Oh, man, a major provocation is totally justified in his actions.

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So what treaties is Alex trying to claim expired?

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He's not specific at all.

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What the fuck is he talking about?

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Oh, he was talking about Dannon, Dannon Treaty of Milk.

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Okay.

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Yep.

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There was a nuclear nonproliferation treaty called the New START, which began in 2011.

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This was set to run 10 years and would have ended on February 5th, 2022, which would really

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work well for Alex's argument, but it was extended for an additional five years, so

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it's still in effect until 2026.

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That agreement was announced in March 2021, and re-signing it and continuing the treaty

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was a high priority for Biden.

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I don't think that this is what Alex is talking about, but maybe he saw someone reference

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a fake story about it in a meme and he just assumed that they didn't extend it or something.

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I don't know.

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I think what's going on is that Boyle has brought in this bullshit about the demands

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Putin was making in December, and now Alex is writing a bigger story on top of all of

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it.

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It's all just an exercise in excusing Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

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That's literally all this show is at this point.

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It's outrageous.

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That is fucked up.

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It's fucked up.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yep.

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Nothing else to say about that, except for this clip is even more fucked up.

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Great.

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And as I said, they're using Ukraine and the Ukrainians as a battering ram against the

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Putin government and against the Russian Federation as well.

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Well, I totally agree that this is premeditated, and so it makes the West the bad guys, even

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if Putin is starting to try not to commit atrocities, but he's going to have to.

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What?

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It looks like as this continues on.

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He's going to have to.

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Hey, listen, when you're fighting a war, sometimes you just have to commit atrocities.

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I mean, I unfortunately think that that is true descriptively, but Alex is speaking of

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this kind of moralistically.

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I think that the carrying out of war almost always involves atrocity.

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I mean, it is an atrocity by definition.

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And that is a good reason to be opposed to war on a general basis.

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Seems like it.

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He seems to be, first of all, denying the atrocities that have already taken place.

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Hey, none of them happened.

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No, no, no, no.

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That's all fake news, propaganda.

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So that's troubling.

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And then saying, okay, he's going to have to.

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Well, I mean, sometimes you commit atrocities.

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No big deal.

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I don't like that.

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It's a strategic thing.

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You just choose to kill a large number of civilians in order to end the war that you

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started because Nazis were killing civi- wait.

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Wait.

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Bioweapon labs.

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Hold on.

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No, no, no.

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Because bioweapon labs were going to kill Ukrainians- oh, shit, no.

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Nope.

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Yep.

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It's outrageous.

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Yep.

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Alex is just comically pro-Putin.

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But let me ask you this.

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How do you see this gut level ending right now?

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Putin, I can't save face unless he gets some type of deal.

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Looks like deals aren't coming.

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He's going to have to escalate somehow to try to defeat these embedded Nazi forces that

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are hiding behind their children.

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So now they're embedded Nazi forces again?

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I mean, how does he thread that needle when all the Western propaganda is against him?

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I really don't know, Alex.

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Wow.

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I just find it shocking that Boyle just accepts the premise.

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Yeah.

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They're on the same page with this shit.

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It's nonsense.

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Just crazy.

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Yeah.

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I don't know- hey, listen.

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I don't know how he solves this imaginary problem.

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Without escalating.

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Without escalating.

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He's going to have to escalate because a deal.

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Of course.

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Because the US isn't making a deal.

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No.

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It's going to be the West's fault.

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And by the way, of course, it's not like Zelensky isn't making a deal.

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He doesn't have a choice.

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Well, right.

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He just works for the US.

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He just works for the US.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Whatever NATO says he'll do because he's going to be- wait, no, he doesn't get to join NATO

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either.

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Putin desperately wants a deal so he can save face, get out of here with a little bit of

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strength and tact.

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Right.

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But it's not coming so he's going to have to escalate.

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Well, I mean- Alex seems like legitimately to be preparing

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his audience to accept some really fucked up stuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Like, there's no other solution.

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Great that he's talking to like an international law expert on war crimes.

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Yeah.

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And it's like that's his idea of real politic.

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You know?

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Like, okay, well, he's in a bad bargaining position.

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You know?

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He's losing the war.

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So he doesn't want to get a deal now because they won't be good terms for him.

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You understand, Dan.

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He doesn't want a deal right now because there won't be good terms for him.

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But he does want a deal according to Alex.

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Well, of course he wants a deal, but he wants a deal with good terms for him.

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So if he commits atrocities, then the deal might be sweeter for him and Alex is fine

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with that.

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Because it's all about the deal, man.

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It's like Alex's ideal ruler is M. Bison from the Street Fighter movie.

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Yeah.

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It might be something to that.

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Eh, you might not be wrong.

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Anyway, Boyle, like I said, I'm going to sound like a broken record.

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Dude's dumb.

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Right, I think we have to demand that Biden himself publicly proclaim that Ukraine will

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not join NATO.

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It did.

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So this is a dumb bullying tactic because the demand is something meaningless.

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The hope is that you have some sort of a meaningless symbolic action that cedes power to the people

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making that demand vis-a-vis Russia, Putin and the Putin-aligned propagandists like Alex.

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You got it.

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So in June 2021, Biden was asked at a press conference about Ukraine joining NATO and

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he said, quote, it depends on whether they meet the criteria.

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The fact is they still have to clean up corruption.

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The fact is they have to meet other criteria to get into the action plan.

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So school's out on that question.

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It remains to be seen.

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And it will not just depend on me whether or not we conclude that Ukraine can become

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a part of NATO.

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It'll depend on the alliance and how they vote.

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There's a world reality that Biden can't wave his hand and force this group to vote the

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way he wants them to.

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However, there's an Infowars pretend reality where a big strongman ruler can just do whatever

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he wants.

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So the fact that Biden isn't doing these things means he must not want to.

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It's legitimately middle school level shit and I feel pretty embarrassed for these dudes

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talking like this publicly.

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And to clarify, Trump was able to do a lot of shit unilaterally, but you might notice

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that all the stuff he did like that were times when he pulled the U.S. out of something.

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He never exerted his will over these organizations or groups with his strength.

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He just didn't get his way and withdrew, which you can do unilaterally.

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Right.

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Now, see, that might be an explanation of how they think the world works.

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Yeah.

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Trump is like, you have to do what I say.

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And they're like, no.

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And he's like, well, then I am going to go back to a world where people have to do what

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I say and you are not involved.

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Yeah.

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Goodbye.

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I am taking my ball and going to blackmail Zelensky.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is deep in this conversation with Boyle about dumb, immature nonsense.

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Yeah.

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And by the way, Boyle is a Chicago guy.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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He lives in Illinois somewhere.

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God damn it.

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Maybe just outside Chicago or in Chicago.

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Son of a bitch.

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I bet he's a Rolling Meadows asshole.

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Come find me.

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I bet he's a Rolling Meadows piece of shit.

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I'm not saying I want to fight him, but I will call him a baby to his face.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah, totally.

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I would even go so far as to call him a big dumb baby.

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I'm a little bit salty.

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You are.

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So Alex is talking to Boyle.

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They're having this fun conversation and Alex gets distracted by important breaking news.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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It's just gone live at Infowars.com.

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There's a video of it.

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We were doing the German translation, but he's speaking to them in German because a

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lot of them speak German type dialects, talking about how his father fought the Russians and

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how they're fighting today.

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So they're not even thinly veiling this now.

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I mean, this is just like Twilight Zone, and his dad did fight at Stalingrad and did actually

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fight in these areas and was in the SS.

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Arnold wasn't speaking German in that video.

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He's speaking Russian.

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He was appealing to the people of Russia in a fairly interesting but probably ineffective

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way to see the way that Putin is lying to them about what's going on in Ukraine.

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It's not mostly about his dad, though Arnold doesn't hide that his dad was fighting for

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the Nazis.

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He does literally mention that.

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The video is about Arnold's love for Russia and the people of Russia, like about how his

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first weightlifting hero was a guy from Russia named Yuri Petrovich Vaslav and how he met

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Yuri as a 14-year-old boy and Yuri was very kind to him.

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Arnold's dad didn't like that he idolized Yuri because, as Arnold explains, he was injured

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in Leningrad, quote, where the Nazi army that he was a part of did vicious harm to the great

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city and its brave people.

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The video touches on how he got to meet Yuri again as an adult when he went to Moscow again

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to film Red Heat, the first American movie that was permitted to film in Red Square.

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Essentially, it's a very compelling argument that Schwarzenegger has a deeply felt connection

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to the people of Russia and the country itself.

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Absolutely.

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Outside criticizing that it doesn't seem like this is something that will make a real difference,

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I don't know what the complaint about this video is.

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It's definitely less cringe-inducing than other celebrity videos we've seen, and I got

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to say that it feels very sincere.

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The memories really do mean a lot to Arnold.

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Yeah.

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He was very important to, I think, what was it?

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One of the Mr. Universes that he won was, like, I stumped some, it was like broadcast

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on Russian state TV and it was like one of the biggest things that they'd seen of, yeah.

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It's such an interesting intersection of his lived experience, too, with just like being

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the son of an Austrian former Nazi soldier who idolized a Russian weightlifter that got

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him really motivated into that world, that essentially ended up creating his career or

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leading to his career.

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This intersection of that lineage of coming from somebody who hated Russians because of

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his experience in World War II to being somebody who sees the country and the people for the

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beautiful thing that it is.

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Totally.

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It's a very...

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I don't know.

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Obviously, like I'm saying, I don't think it's going to move the needle in terms of

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world affairs.

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Doubtful.

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But I do think it's a more valuable video to watch than...

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The imagined video?

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Or that one that was going around about if I was Putin's mom or whatever.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That stuff's nonsense.

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This at least has some substance to it, and if only as a sort of moving autobiographical

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slice of Arnold's life, I think it's interesting.

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I mean, it did remind me, it's a good message of course, but it did remind me, it went back

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and I started remembering Arnold Schwarzenegger's life and just going, this man is a cartoon

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character.

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This life is not real.

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But also you kind of watch it and you get like, oh, that's kind of why he won the Governor

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gubernatorial race.

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Totally, totally.

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Absolutely.

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You can kind of get a sense of it.

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You forget, you see the movies and he's like, right, choppa.

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Right.

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And you know, like he has a big muscley weirdo who shoots people and has a strange accent

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that's never explained in the movie.

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But yeah, he's a compelling, interesting person.

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Totally.

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I think Alex is still just mad that he couldn't derail that campaign back in 2003 and still

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just mad at Arnold.

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Probably.

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Anyway, important news, Arnold put out a video.

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He did.

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We got to get it.

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We got to handle it.

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And clearly the way Alex is talking about it, you can tell he hasn't watched it.

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He doesn't know what this is about.

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He's reporting on what he imagines this video is.

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You know, his dad was a Nazi.

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You know that, right?

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It's worthless.

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Yeah.

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He talks about that in the video.

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You don't fuck.

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If you'd watched it.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, Boyle is, I mean, he's somebody who, like I said, he drafted the indictment

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or helped draft the indictment against Milosevic.

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He's somebody who has at least a level of gravitas in terms of the world of international

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relations.

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He should be somebody who understands to be careful with his words.

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And if you wrote Slobodan Milosevic's indictment, you should probably be aware that Putin has

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got a real good shot at getting awful close to that.

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No, apparently not.

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Apparently it goes the other way.

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Oh, odd.

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Yes.

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These reports coming out of Ukraine today are fully consistent with the United States

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government supporting biological warfare against Russia.

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And if you take a look at the map, you'll see large numbers of biological warfare weapons

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surrounding China.

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So yes, I've read the reports.

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They certainly sound credible to me.

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He's essentially accusing the United States of having biological weapons labs.

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He's literally like, listen, all I'm saying is Iraq should invade America.

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We have WMDs.

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I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

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I'm just saying, I'm not saying, but I'm just saying.

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It gets worse.

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Are you justifying?

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This gets worse.

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There's the map.

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Right.

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Those are offensive biological warfare weapons facilities.

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They've been bought and paid for by the Pentagon itself.

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You know, the Pentagon does not engage in missionary activity.

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They kill people.

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And that's why those are there.

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I have no doubt about that in my mind.

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I read earlier, I gave interviews to Russian news media about American sources over there

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harvesting the DNA of materials of Russians.

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And they asked me why.

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And I said, simple, because they're going to try to create an ethnic specific biological

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warfare weapon against Russians if they can figure it out.

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Wow.

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Sounds shady.

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Is he telling me that this, I bet he doesn't even, I bet he didn't even get paid.

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Probably not.

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I bet this motherfucker went and did some fucking propaganda for Putin for free.

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Yeah.

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Seems shady.

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That's bullshit.

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I'm furious.

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Shady.

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I'm furious.

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Listen, fine.

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You're a monster, but at least get paid.

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Now you're an idiot and a monster.

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Yeah.

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Speaking of getting paid, Alex plugs Boyle's books.

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And this is, I would have done this differently.

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I want to thank Dr. Francis Boyle for joining us today.

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Everybody should check out his books and his information.

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Just search Francis A. Boyle and find his great compendium of work, especially at amazon.com.

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What?

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Why are you plugging Amazon?

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You can find his work that I don't know at amazon.com, amazon.com for finding work that

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I don't know.

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Alex, you hate Bezos.

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Why are you directing traffic to Amazon?

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We had Elizabeth Williamson on and we were talking about her new book, and very specifically,

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we made a point to not have the link go to Amazon.

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It didn't go there, because fuck Amazon.

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You know, it's almost like when we say that we hate Jeff Bezos, we then follow through.

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Well, I mean, there's no need to be dramatic and performative about it, but yeah, functionally,

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if anybody was going to buy a book based on our recommendation, it would be ideal for

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them not to do it through Amazon, and if we can direct traffic through a link to another

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place to get the book.

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Way better.

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Right.

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So why is Alex, who is supposed to be one of Bezos' blood enemies, sworn to one of them

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must die, why is he trying to get him a cut?

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Does Boyle not have his own website where you can find his books?

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I bet he doesn't.

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If you look at the shots of him when he's being interviewed, his office is just like

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piles of paper.

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Oh, okay.

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He looks like he might be all analog, baby.

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That's fair.

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That's fair.

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I envy that in a certain way.

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So the topic of Mitt Romney comes up.

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Sure.

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And he's important.

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This is where the interview ends, and I think there's a couple things that are a little

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problematic for Alex here.

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And the one thing about Romney you have to remember, he was elected in Massachusetts

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as a rhino, the only way he could be elected.

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And then he immediately veered to the extreme right.

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And in order to lick the boots of the extreme right of the Republican Party, I'm not saying

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the whole Republican Party, I'm a political independent, but the extreme right.

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And Romney tried to restore the death penalty in Massachusetts.

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Now we had studied the death penalty, the Sacco Vanzetti case in Massachusetts there

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in law school together, and knew what a travesty the whole thing was, leading Massachusetts

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to abolish the death penalty.

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We're out of time.

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Bottom line, are you saying he's a sociopath?

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Close to it, yeah.

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I mean, you have to be sick and demented to spend full time like Romney did to restore

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the death penalty in Massachusetts.

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All right, there's some problems.

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Yeah.

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First, there shouldn't be any acknowledgement that there's an extreme right in terms of

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the political identity of people in government on this show.

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That's not a reality that's accepted.

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There are GOP members of Congress who Alex thinks are liberals.

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Rhinos.

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There are left-wing extremists like AOC, and then there's the Trump lunatics who Alex thinks

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are his old-school, Constitution-loving people.

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They're liberals, honestly.

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Basically, classic liberals.

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Yeah, patriots.

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The extreme right doesn't exist, because when you consider who, like, you know, just who

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comes to mind when Boyle says that Romney kissed up to the extreme right, it's Trump.

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Who's the extreme right?

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It seems like it might be Trump.

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Oh, it might be Trump.

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The second problem is that Boyle's going hard on the death penalty, which Alex actually

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supports.

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You'd think he wouldn't, because he's so anti-government and he pretends to be a libertarian, but man,

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he loves the idea of the government killing his enemies.

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Seems like you wouldn't want the government, who you don't trust, who you think is lying

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all the time, to have the power to kill you.

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Right, and the libertarian non-aggression principle relies so much on the, you know,

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the government not being the sole source of force.

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Mm-hmm.

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Not good.

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Not good, no, he's fine with the government killing the people he wants them to kill.

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As long as it's only the ones he wants, though.

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It's not an ideal end to this interview, I would say.

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It's not great.

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We have a couple clips left here, and Alex ends talking to Boyle, and here's where he's

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at.

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Okay.

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And I've got all this other news that I want to get to, but I got to tell you, when I saw

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this headline earlier, I thought it can't be real, and then we went and watched it and

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checked it in the German, and the American, and how the Ukrainians would then translate

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it.

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And then in the Navy.

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And it's just crazy what Schwarzenegger said, Hitler admire Arnold Schwarzenegger invokes

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Nazi father in defense of Ukrainian Nazis.

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The Twilight Zone situation that we've hit, I want to play some of that bottom of the

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hour.

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Okay, that's coming up, it's on Infowars.com.

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It's just insane.

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No conversation about what's going on in Mariupol, nothing about the situation as it exists in

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Ukraine.

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The type of news that Alex can cover is complaining about an imagined version of a video that

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Schwarzenegger put out.

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That's the trite, dull end of the spear that he has.

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That's so stupid.

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We are kind of in a Twilight Zone episode where you can show people reality, and they

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can tell you, they can read word for word back to you what was said, and they will still

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tell you that Arnold Schwarzenegger was trying to be a Nazi supporter.

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Loves it.

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Like, they can't, it is such a, oh, you just don't live in the world, man.

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You just don't live here.

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Yeah.

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So after this, Alex does not talk more about the Arnold video, he says we should play some.

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Maybe he gets to it eventually, but for now he's got to get into a plug.

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Oh, of course.

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And it's gotten to the point where I couldn't even do the first hour of the show today because

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I'm sitting there in these meetings and I'm trying to set up sponsorships and trying to

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get sponsorships to wire money in just to make payroll.

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And I'm not, I don't judge myself by how much money I've got and all that kind of stuff.

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It's kind of fun and neat to not, you know, to be so lean as it makes you focus and plus

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all our enemies say we've got all this extra money and boy, are they going to get surprised.

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But they've already, they already know.

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I like to joke a lot and we have some laughs, but I want to speak sincerely here.

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I don't believe this shit at all.

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But if this is true, Infowars is the most pathetic organization and Alex is the worst

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business owner in the entire propaganda game.

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His number one job is to do his show, which is live from 11 to two and then someone else

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takes over for the last hour.

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There's literally no reason why he can't talk to a potential sponsor before 11 or after

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two, except for a couple options that I can think of.

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One, he has absolutely no power in the situation at all and the potential sponsor is calling

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all the shots and Alex has to bend over backwards in order to make a few bucks and yes, I will

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take a call while I'm supposed to be on air.

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Yeah, they might even be fucking with him if they're forcing him to take a call while

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he's on air.

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Possibly.

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Second option, Alex has so little interest in doing any work that he's essentially only

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going to be working from 11 to two and if that means doing business while he's supposed

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to be on air, well, that's why he pays that St. Patrick obsessed dork to work there for.

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That's his job.

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Yeah.

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Second option, he wasn't talking to sponsors.

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He was talking to lawyers or a court who he can't reschedule a meeting with.

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Yeah.

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I think I might be more likely.

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I'm going to go with the third option.

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Whatever the case, this is just an embarrassing level of inability to do one's job and I honestly,

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I resent it.

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Also, hey, asshole, you just went to LA to do a podcast.

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Do you really expect anyone to feel sympathy for your inability to make payroll?

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Like have 10 less guns or get rid of a potentially extravagant studio.

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Like get rid of the weird LED lighting behind you or don't take a week vacation to another

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state to do a podcast.

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If you need to make payroll so badly, you're overextended.

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Dan, see, this is the problem.

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We have been out of the regular workforce for too long.

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That is how capitalism works, my friend.

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That's the way every boss I've ever had works.

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Sorry, we can't make payroll.

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I am calling you from Hawaii right now, just in case you were wondering.

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I'm sorry, I'm going to pay you next week.

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Can't make it this week.

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Reminder?

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Didn't you work for your cousin?

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Well, not every boss.

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I had one boss that wasn't.

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I have a different work history than you.

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I do not have a lot of familiarity with this.

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That's fair.

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I'll tell you this.

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The hearing aid game.

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Real shady.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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But look, more and more I find that Alex's sales pitches seem to be like a guy who has

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a bad business model explaining it.

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That seems to be just like, what's going on?

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Yeah, it does seem a little bit like, hey, listen, I am a failure unless you buy this

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bullshit.

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But we were really high in the lead up to Trump, you know, all that.

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Right.

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We were crushing it.

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We spent too much.

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Way too much.

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I hired too many people.

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Overhead.

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We have too much rent to pay.

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Never heard of it.

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Our electric bills are through the roof.

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Nobody told me.

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It's almost like autocratic leaders don't like hearing bad news before they make decisions

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that they want.

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So I decided to make this dumb, dumb free speech YouTube clone type website and, hey,

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there's no ads except for my own shit on there because no one wants to advertise.

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Nobody wants to advertise.

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So this is a sinkhole of money.

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It's a real bad idea.

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A lot of hosting.

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A lot of hosting costs there.

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It's expensive.

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Yeah.

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Oh, great.

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I have to pay in order to host the video of the guy who's dressed like Uncle Sam yelling

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at people on the street.

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But he's great.

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We're changing the world.

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And Harrison Smith has got 200 views on this video.

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I think to be fair, look, Harrison doesn't have a lot of views.

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More than that.

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Okay.

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More than that.

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All right.

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Oh, boy.

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Yeah.

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If there's any solace, I think that these indications are like, this is not long for

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this game.

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No, no, no.

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This is going down.

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He's already exhausted the money that he could get out of Mike Lindell conceivably.

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Yeah, because Lindell's gone.

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Well, not gone, but he's in the wind.

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Right.

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I don't know outside of shady right-wing billionaires what kind of options he might have.

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Yeah.

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Which, I mean, that's a road that he could go down if he hasn't burned that bridge in

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some way.

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I mean, isn't Milo Yiannopoulos coming back too?

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Aren't people paying attention to him in the right-wing sphere again?

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Not really.

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Not really?

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Oh, okay.

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Good.

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I don't think so.

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Good.

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I think maybe his name came up because allegedly he hooked Marjorie Taylor Greene up with Nick

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Fuentes for that.

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Right.

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And him and Nick Fuentes have like a bit of a weird history because Nick, obviously outright

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bigot, hates gay people, but he and Milo, even when Milo was still a gay man, according

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to him, he was still a Catholic fascist.

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And so like the two of them bonded over their desire for a Catholic dictatorship.

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And so like the two of them, like now that Milo is a former gay man, according to him,

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the two of them have less hurdles in terms of their association and their desire to bring

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about a Catholic theocracy.

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Can't, doesn't that, shouldn't that give you pause for your wanting a Catholic dictatorship

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if you and the guy next to you who both want the Catholic dictatorship, if one of you were

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to get power over the other one, the other one would die?

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Well not anymore.

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Don't you think that's-

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Not anymore.

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Well not anymore, I understand.

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But back then, wouldn't you be like, hmm, maybe this whole Catholic dictatorship is

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a bad idea if the guy that I like would kill me?

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I don't know how you get there, but yeah, it'd be weird.

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It seems weird.

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It'd be weird.

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It'd be tough.

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Yeah, I don't think Milo is rising back to any real importance within that scene, but

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who knows?

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Who does know?

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So look, this show is a disgusting exercise in Putin-apology and it's-

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Oh my God.

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I don't know why we came back to the present.

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You know, I-

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The past was substantially more enjoyable, made me less salty.

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Right.

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I am amazed.

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I really am amazed.

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It would feel bad for me to make justifications for any large scale murderer.

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Sure.

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I think it would make me feel bad.

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Right.

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To do it with this gusto seems-

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I mean, in a very neutral term of the word, awesome.

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It is awe-inspiring.

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It is awe.

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Like, how?

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How is this possible?

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Well, and the thing that I think is really fascinating too is that there's that mixture

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of gusto and pretending to be like, I'm just looking at all sides.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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I'm not defending Putin's actions.

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Totally.

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Yeah, it's-

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A de facto admission that you know what he's doing is wrong.

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You could read it that way.

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Yeah.

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You could.

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It's not really gusto, which is not something you see all too often.

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Yeah.

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It's fatal.

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Anyway, the show sucks.

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Yep, it sucks.

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Sucks butts.

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Yeah.

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We'll see what's happening later, though.

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And we'll be back for another episode, possibly something fairly fun on Wednesday.

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Maybe something wacky.

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Could be.

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Who knows?

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But until then, we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight and I go to bed Jordan.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm Dizzy X.

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Clark.

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I'm Dr. Marbles.

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And now, here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.