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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Oh indeed we are, Dan

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Jordan

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Dan, I have a quick question for you sir

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Again?

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Yes

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Wow

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Like every time

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Oh my god

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I mean it's absurd really

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Oh what

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today I think is that I think I'm done with Wirtle

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I was a late adopter because I just saw people posting these green dots and shit online

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And I was like, I don't want to get involved

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Right

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I see these things come and go and I'm just like, I'm too old for this nonsense

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But I do like word games

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I like, you know, I'm a Scrabble guy, I have been in the past

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You kicked my ass every time we played Scrabble

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That's true

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By a wide margin

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Yep and Boggle, I like Boggle

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You love Boggle

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There's some other games that have equally ill fitting names that I enjoy

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So I decided to give it a try and I'm on a 25 day streak and it's not even fun

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You've gotten it right every day for 25 days and you're disappointed

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I don't want to be like bragging or anything

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Sure

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Hey I'm sounding like Alex here, look I don't want to brag

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Listen, no big deal but you've gotten it right 25 days in a row

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It might be a very easy thing

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A very easy game

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And there might not be all that much to it

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I mean I'm pretty sure that is the specific charm to the game

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It might be

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Not for you

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It might be why it has universal appeal

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The bar of entry is just not challenging enough

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So pick it up, New York Times

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Get your shit together

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How many times do we have to say this to you, New York Times?

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I don't know, I guess if I wasn't getting them right I'd be mad

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So the flip side of this is

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I think you need to be getting it right around like 85% of the time

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To both have the satisfaction of achievement

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While at the same time something to shoot for

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25 days out of 25 days in a row you're just like I can quit

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I'm the master of this game

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I'm not going that far but I am saying that I have grown weary of it

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Yeah

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It's the opposite of Elden Ring

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Right, but I mean think about it this way

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If you got one wrong tomorrow

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Then the next day you'd be so ready and raring to go

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Maybe

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I might not

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That's true

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I might be in the exact same place I am now which is

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I'm not very interesting

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Fair enough

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So what's your bright spot?

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My bright spot is

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I have, as you know we talked about it, I got contacts

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Right

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But

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I didn't even notice because you also shaved your beard around the same time

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I know

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And so it was just like

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Complete

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Multiple switches at the same time

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Complete wipe out of my face

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But the eye doctor, whenever I got the contacts

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We put in the regular ones, everything was going great

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And then right as I'm about to leave

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He just puts two loose contacts in my hand

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Not loose like they were out

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Loosies

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Little, yeah two loosies

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And he kind of gets in real close like he's doing a drug deal

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And it was like you know these are transition contact lenses

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And I was like I do not understand what you're talking about

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In the light they change to a darker color

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What fun

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It's amazing

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Magic contact lenses

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It's a magic concept

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Wow

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Because I have very sensitive eyes

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I do like the idea of the doctor trying to be like hey

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I mean it was

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Be a little sneaky about it

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No it was your first taste is free

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It was straight up like check these out

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You don't even know man

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I had

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I don't know I think it was like strep throat in college one time

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And I couldn't swallow pills

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I had gone to the student health center to get some steroids

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Right

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To alleviate things

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And because I couldn't take pills I needed to get the liquid steroids

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And the doctor when he was given to me had that same kind of moment

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Where it was sort of like conspiratorial

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Yeah yeah yeah

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You and me buddy

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He was like this is the stuff the rappers sing about

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I'm like what

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Yeah that's a fun moment

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That is a fun moment

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For me it was about getting messed up on purple drank

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Yes

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Apparently

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Yes

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Though I was actually sick

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Yeah

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Like I was

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Anyway

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Jordan today we have an episode to go over

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Oh we do?

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We do actually

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Alright

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A number of episodes

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So I wanted to after our last episode

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I'm putting Alex in a little bit of a time out cage

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Yeah

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So just some awfulness and such

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We'll get back to him

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I'm not going to chase him around

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In the present day

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So I decided it would be good to go back to the past again to 2003

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There was a story that we had left hanging sort of in 2003

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Which was the situation with the weapons expert in Iraq

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Who had died from suicide

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And I felt like if we left that hanging too long

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We might forget that that was something that we had been like

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We'll get back to this

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Right right right

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No no no this is important

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So we're going to take care of some of that as Alex talks about it

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And then a painfully boring stretch of Alex's show

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That leads to something quite fun

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Okay

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And we'll get down to business on all that

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But before we do Jordan let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks

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Oh that's a great idea

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So first Tabbie Prancer dancing in the hall

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Thank you so much you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Hold me closer Tabbie Prancer

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Dancing in the hall

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Yeah

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Next Alex Jones's forehead vein who's sick of his shit

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Thank you so much you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Thank you

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Next Charles Schwab

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Thank you so much you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Wait is that buzz marketing or, yeah

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It's hard to tell

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Did they get in touch with us

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Ugh they better

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Next Stackeys mom has got it going on

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Thank you so much you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Thank you

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Next Unity Paint Stuff punk rock king of the cats

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Thank you so much you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Aaaand fuck it you know what I am mad at the crew

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Thank you so much you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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thank you so we're gonna be covering today July 21st through 23rd 2003 and I

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kind of had just intended to you know just do one episode in the past but man

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no man's land oh this is a long desert of content Alex is in a weird weird

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stretch of saying nothing for long periods of time on the show which is why

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we need to go three days to actually find enough stuff to talk about I mean

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the past is literally catching up with you yeah yeah and so we do get to on

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this July 21st episode pretty much right away Alex brings back up the weapons

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inspector from the UK David Kelly right so that gives us a chance to clean the

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slate on this one on Friday we talked about the death of the Ministry of

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Defense bioweapons expert former head of Porton down bioweapons laboratory that

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has its own ramifications we predicted that they would claim that it was a

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suicide and within about eight hours of finding his body yes they were sure it's

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a suicide of course the first police there said it was quote a grizzly find

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and he had just emailed a friend saying I'm going to fight this I'm going to

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expose these people I'm going to get my good name back and it was a place he

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walked a couple times a week he would walk about five miles away from his

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house and walk back British for big walkers and he was obviously ambushed

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and killed from all the evidence and I've read 50 news articles I've

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literally this weekend I've read his email the the doctor Kelly sent to a

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friend he had he did everything that somebody would do that was going to

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fight for their for their honor and that was going to stand up he had three

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children a wife he was only what 50 something years old so I decided not to

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cover this on our last 2003 episode because I knew it was a story that was

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going to come back up and that Alex was going to develop a conspiracy around so

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I wanted to wait until he had a chance to do that before getting into any

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rebutting so the piece that we discussed on the last episode is just how Alex was

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exaggerating and making up details in the immediate aftermath of Kelly's death

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in order to present the idea that he was murdered now more information has become

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public so Alex is claiming victory in his prediction that this was a murder

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that's being covered up so now let's try and understand this case a little better

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in its proper context this story begins with David Kelly a well-respected expert

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in biological weapons speaking to a couple of journalists under the

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assumption of anonymity these were Andrew Gilligan of the BBC and Susan

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Watts who reported for Newsnight one of the striking details that was included

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in both of their reports was that Downing Street had intentionally misled

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the public by injecting a claim into a dossier about Iraqi weapons of mass

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destruction capability namely that the Iraqi government could activate their

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weapons within 45 minutes right this was a salacious detail a very headline

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grabbing detail that was in both Watts and Gilligan's reporting from an

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unnamed source it was something that previously to this even Tony Blair had

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announced yeah in the rationale for war what was the name of that code name it

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was like Iceman or something like that the lying the fake source that they used

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to just lied their their teeth off of this isn't him okay that's not David

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Kelly no no no I know that's not David Kelly but the the Iceman was that

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murderer that they had the special about well and the guy from Top Gun oh that's

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right I was thinking of mr. freeze David Kelly was goose so Gilligan's reporting

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specifically alleged that this claim was put in as an attempt by the government

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to mislead right in his initial appearance reporting on this on the May

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29th 2003 episode of today Gilligan said quote what this person says is that a

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week before the publication date of the dossier it was actually rather a bland

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production it didn't the the draft presented prepared for mr. Blair by the

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intelligence agencies didn't actually say very much more than was public

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knowledge already and Downing Street or our source says ordered a week before

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publication ordered it to be sexed up to be made more exciting and ordered more

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facts to be to be discovered Gilligan stressed that this detail the 45 minute

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point was very central to Tony Blair's appeal to go to war since it stressed

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the immediacy of the potential threat and in his reporting he was strongly

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suggesting that based on this unnamed source this was something that they knew

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shouldn't have been included in the dossier this was primarily because it

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was something that only came from one source initially who this apparently

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this intelligence source claimed was thought to have been mistaken the person

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who was the the person the one source that was behind the 45 minute claim was

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known to be probably wrong yes why was there a liar yeah or just like a

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fabulous or something right so the next day after this May 30th Susan Watts

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contacted Kelly and interviewed him over the phone which she recorded the

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transcript of this call makes it very clear that Kelly was aware that he was

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the source of these claims and that from particular details and Gilligan's

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reporting as well as that of another BBC reporter Kelly had spoken to it was

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clear that Watts could tell that he was their source based on previous

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conversations that they had had right then right so pretty immediately the

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Ministry of Defense at Downing Street came out and strongly denied the claims

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that were being made in the media and the House of Commons set up a committee

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to investigate whether or not the decision to go to war had been done with

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complete and accurate information ha ha ha one of the MPs who launched the

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effort Donald Anderson specifically cited Gilligan's reporting as one of the

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factors that led to the decision to open that inquiry at the same time the

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Ministry of Defense was getting curious about who had leaked this information

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that they felt was inaccurate on July 30th Kelly wrote a letter to his

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higher-ups at the Ministry of Defense which definitely intended to create the

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impression that he barely spoke to Gilligan he didn't say the stuff that

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was being reported and that he didn't even consider that he could have been

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his source until June 19th when someone informed him that some of the evidence

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provided in the House of Commons inquiry matched details he would have given

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right this is demonstrably untrue the stuff that was he was saying in this

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Ministry of Defense letter given the recording of Kelly's conversation with

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Watts from May 30th in discussing the reporting that was happening she asked

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quote are you getting much flak over that to which Kelly replied quote me no

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not yet anyway I was in New York what says quote yes good timing I suppose and

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Kelly offers up quote I mean they wouldn't think it was me I don't think

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maybe they would maybe they wouldn't I don't know well hey retrospect probably

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should have said that one hmm yeah this letter prompted some internal

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conversations and interviews within the Ministry of Defense which really were

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not good for Kelly he was interviewed by his superiors on July 4th and on the

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7th a note was prepared in respect to the interviews which starts quote I began

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by explaining to dr. Kelly that his letter had serious implications first on

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the basis of his own account it appeared that he breached the normal standards of

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civil service behavior and departmental regulations by having a number of

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unauthorized and unreported contacts with journalists regardless of the

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detail of what had passed this opened up the possibility of disciplinary action

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this is really bad for Kelly because even if his story about not being the

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source for these claims was accurate he still might be in trouble and the fact

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that he's admitting to undisclosed contacts with journalists necessarily

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meant that more questions were going to be asked about these contacts oh yeah

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that initial interview didn't go all that well with it coming out that Kelly

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didn't even seem to be aware of the Ministry of Defense protocol as it

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related to interacting with journalists from the note about his interview quote

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he said that he had not really regarded his discussions with journalists

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academics etc as being about defense business but as a continuation of his

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role as a UN expert I said that this was at best extraordinarily naive

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journalists who are not seeking information out of academic interest but

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to construct stories mm-hmm in that interview the stakes of the situation

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became pretty clear which may not have been the case prior Richard Hatfield the

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personnel director of the Ministry of Defense brought up that whether Kelly

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meant for it to be the case or not his conversation with Gilligan may be

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central to resolving a public dispute between the government and the BBC quote

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it might become necessary to consider a public statement based on his account

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Gilligan's reputation was at stake and he would be bound to challenge any

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inaccuracies and I reminded dr. Kelly of the possibility that he might have been

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tape recorded ultimately Hatfield took Kelly's word and decided that his

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actions in terms of talking to journalists was very naive but not

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rising to the level of requiring disciplinary action so he essentially

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got off with a warning prior in regards to these these meetings that were about

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his letter that he sent to the Ministry of Defense right about the the

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suspicions but questions lingered and as more details came out from the foreign

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affairs select committee inquiry that was going on that was initiated by the

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House of Commons share it became more and more clear to people within the

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Ministry of Defense that in all likelihood Kelly was Gilligan source or

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Gilligan was making things up in a way that attributed his coverage to a source

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who was meant to look like Kelly right when the FAC report was released they

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determined that there was no evidence that the claim that the 45-minute detail

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was added at the behest of Downing Street against the wishes of the

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intelligence community as was the contention of Gilligan's reporting which

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relied on Kelly as a source because of that it became clear to people in the

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Ministry of Defense that a bunch of questions are about to start flying

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around about who the source for Gilligan story was and that if it were asked they

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would have to say that someone had come forward internally or else they would be

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in effect engaging in a cover-up they wouldn't have to come out and name

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Kelly but they warned him that there was a very high likelihood that his name

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would come out based on his contacts with multiple journalists who are

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probably gonna be able to put the pieces together right but you're hosed that's

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what they're saying there well maybe not hosed but like there is a hose yeah

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you're there is a possibility of something going bad yeah on July 8th the

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Ministry of Defense released a statement that someone inside the Ministry had

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come forward to say that he had met with Gilligan though Kelly was not named in

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this statement the statement reflected terms that Kelly had agreed to and that

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what he had said when he met Gilligan didn't match the account in the reports

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that was the basis of the statement and like I said Kelly agreed to this being

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released of course naturally this led to the BBC releasing a statement defending

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their reporting which led to an impasse since both sides couldn't really reveal

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who they were talking about it's a trouble yeah on July 9th Kelly's name

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was confirmed to the press as being the person who came forward as the result of

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a Q&A session with a representative from the Ministry of Defense they had set up

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a policy of not naming Kelly but if a question was asked directly to them they

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would be able to confirm that he was the official in question oh my god this set

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off a bit of a media blitz and Kelly decided to not be at home for a while

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taking his family to a coastal town yeah otherwise Kelly understandably felt hung

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out to dry by the Ministry of Defense and also a bit miffed that he wasn't

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taking to a secure location prior to the name being confirmed to the press that

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could have led to some danger and when Alex talks about like him feeling

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mistreated by the government this is a large part of it yeah the fact that he

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wasn't giving any heads up by about you're gonna confirm that I'm the person

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no who came forward in the Ministry of Defense right their policy was

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essentially Will Ferrell in Austin Powers where it's like damn you asked me

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three times now I have to tell you it's mr. Kelly like what are you talking

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about right if they ask a good question then you have to tell them but the

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problem with that too conceivably is they're like if you just listed off

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names right yeah it's silly it's not not ironclad way to keep information here

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are my guesses is it him no isn't him no isn't him yes thank you

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so on July 15th Kelly appeared before the Foreign Affairs Committee and

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questions came up not only about his conversations with Gilligan but also

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Susan Watts and his testimony Kelly claimed that he had only met with Watts

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one time and it was in November 2002 on this basis he denied making the claims

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that were alleged in Susan Watts is reporting this will become a huge

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problem later because as I mentioned Watts recorded their interview right

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right his interview viewed in the context of other known information seems

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very evasive and like someone covering their tracks but probably not somebody

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acting maliciously it has the feeling of somebody who made a huge mistake and

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things have gotten way out of hand to the point where reputations and life's

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work were in danger of being destroyed yeah because he was a very credible

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well-respected weapons expert who had a had a deep resume and I I don't know it

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seems like there's a possibility he was just talking shit yeah it got out of

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hand yeah he just he just started talking and then kept trying to like

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doing him trying to do damage control only made things spiral further out of

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control it has some of that vibe yeah so Kelly left the FAC hearing feeling good

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and fairly relieved and the chair of the committee Donald Anderson released a

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statement to the press that included this line quote colleagues have also

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asked me to pass on their view that dr. Kelly has been poorly treated by the

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government that again is another place where Alex is taking this claim of

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mistreatment from of the government towards Kelly right the next day July

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16th Kelly was set to testify before the Intelligence and Security Committee which

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followed along a lot of the same lines as the previous day's hearing on the

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17th Kelly provided a list of journalists he'd been in touch with to

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the committee's and wrote a bunch of emails to associates many had reached

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out with well wishes and he replied graciously and said that he hoped that

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things would blow over soon sure Alex is mischaracterizing these emails as him

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saying he's gonna fight to the death and I'll never give up and I will never

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surrender but he's doing that because that's what fits the archetype narrative

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that Alex sells about whistleblowers that's Alex fudging details to make a

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particular case fit his mold as opposed to him recognizing details that are you

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know like seeing them out in the wild and like yeah that's consistent with my

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mold no just jamming it into the hole according to Kelly's wife's testimony

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that morning they'd gotten up and he seemed normal but pretty tired a little

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later in the day she found him sitting silently in the sitting room which was

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uncharacteristic of him she said quote I thought he had a broken heart he was

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very very he had shrunk into himself he just looked as he as he had shrunk he

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couldn't put two sentences together they couldn't talk Oh around 320 that

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afternoon Kelly left the house for a walk having previously received a call

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from an associate of his wing commander Clark who had discussed issues related

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to Susan Watts with him it's theorized in the full investigation of his death

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that at some point after the hearings he became aware that there was a recording

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of his interview with Watts and that he had testified that he had absolutely not

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said the things that were on that tape right Clark's mentioned that they had

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discussed Watts in their last phone call gives some credence to this as does

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Clark's testimony regarding Kelly's response to the hearing on the 15th quote

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he was totally thrown by the question or the quotation that was given to him from

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Susan Watts he spoke about that when he came back to the office he said that

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through him yeah he did not expected or anticipated that that would have come to

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the fore in this forum right I'm not gonna get into the details about it but

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there's a very compelling and thorough amount of evidence that he died from

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suicide and that all the details and fantasies Alex is adding to the story

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are just figments of his sick imagination this story is a tragedy and

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in all likelihood it's a story of someone who made a really big mistake

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and then in the process of dealing with that mistake made a series of further

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mistakes and tell he was facing the prospect of his reputation being

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destroyed his freedom possibly being taken away and even the possibility of

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him being seen as working against his country's government yep David Kelly at

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the root of things wasn't even a whistleblower the way Alex uses the term

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and Alex's coverage of this story is just disgraceful with no evidence other

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than his imagination Alex is suggesting that Kelly was ambushed and murdered

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because if that were true it would really help Alex tell the kind of scary

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stories that he likes to tell to keep his audience interested he's exploiting

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tragedy and using Kelly's death as a prop and I find that inexcusable and

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disgusting and that you know the story of Kelly's fall yeah is it's a tragic

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but very interesting right tale yeah it is it is very much like cinematic in

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its elements you know just that like oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck and

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it keeps trying to get ahead of it keeps trying to be one step away from like I

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got away and it just caught up just caught up man possibly or I think

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there's an entire possibility that he didn't think that he had said the things

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that were being used in the reporting oh sure until he realized there was a

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recording right of stuff and that it became became harshly real yeah I don't

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really know and since he's gone you know I don't know if you'll ever really know

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right but I yeah I don't know I don't say it's just it's a sad story that did

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not have to go this way nope and I think Alex only makes it worse by trying to

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co-opt it for his own purposes you betcha now there is one detail that

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actually does lend itself to Alex's theories okay and Alex is gonna bring it

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up in this next clip and mmm dead scientists feared dark actors playing

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games he had just contacted a friend and said I'm being harassed I'm being

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intimidated I'm being mistreated dark actors are all around me and then he

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ends up dead and they say Oh suicide suicide suicide so Alex is exaggerating

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that but there is an email that David Kelly sent that morning that mentioned

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quote dark actors there's an irony that Alex is missing here though because that

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email was sent to New York Times columnist and Iraq War all-star Judith

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Miller on the 16th Miller wrote Kelly saying quote I heard from another member

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of your fan club that things went well for you today hope it's true

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Kelly replied on the morning of the 17th quote I will wait until the end of the

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week before judging many dark actors playing games it's certainly a weird

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thing to say but there's no context for this comment and none of his other

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correspondences nor his family members testimony matched the conclusions that

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Alex is jumping to right you could easily see it being some reference that

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between him and Judith sure like I don't know I don't know how people communicate

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right because all the other emails that are you know they're all in his like the

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investigation sure document you can find none of them have that tone at all no

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seems like maybe him and Judith were just on weird terms yeah that's entirely

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possible I mean I would imagine he that at that time with his point of view in

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the circumstances I imagine that he's definitely got some like people are out

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to get me you know well actually one of his big fears that you can find if you

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really look into the details was that the Iraqi people would be out to get him

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and that's because he had been involved in looking at weapons capabilities and

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also with some not necessarily the highest levels but some elements of

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negotiation and some discussions with the Iraqi side right about like just

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give these things up give assurances and then there won't be a war you know

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nothing's gonna happen and he had some fear that he would end up becoming a

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scene as somebody who was lying to them in order to attack them right yeah right

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no the stakes could not be higher yeah yeah and it's brutal yeah it's just just

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horrific mm-hmm yeah anyway Alex gets a call he's not not a lot going on and so

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he takes call and this caller wants to know like what is the military

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industrial complex what is this shadowy organization all right and who's on top

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this is a big question it is and and Alex gives the the pecking order okay

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and the devil correct the devil is missing Oh what is the military

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industrial complex exactly let me break this down and what's the pecking order

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let me let me break this down the pecking order is the royal families of

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Europe why that on the tabloids by and large that all the tabloids this is

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admitted track that owners the big tabloids back and it's owned by the

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royal family they create this illusion they don't have any power they don't

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have any money a really rich people don't want you knowing how much power

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they have I understand so it goes to the royal families 5050 basically with the

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Rothschild's crumps and other big industrialist crops and banking families

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that own the private central banks that own the printing presses that print the

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money so the really rich people print the money issue the credit control the

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banks now out of them comes the military industrial complex and that's the

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companies whose shares are owned by the banks that's the Lockheed Martin's the

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GE's that own the ABC's and the NBC's so Alex isn't really giving the pecking

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order of the military industrial complex he's putting it into another flow chart

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which is the New World Order which has the Rothschild's and the bankers and the

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crops right above them and then above that is Queen Beatrix and Barnard I mean

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like if if somebody asked me hey Jordan what's the military industrial complex

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my queen my first thought isn't like well the royal family's own tabloids

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that's not how you begin a response to that question it's it's it is if you're

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an expert no it's not no it is not so Beatrix absolutely not see okay so the

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royal family owns tabloids man yeah you trace it back they own tabloids and then

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they own banks and then the Rothschild's are involved and out of them comes the

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military industrial complex but again that's just Lockheed Martin and CBC and

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NBC like they own NBC right I get it billionaires own everything fine well no

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the Lockheed Martin and the military industrial complex own the TV stations

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are owned by the bankers family Rothschild's and crumbs who are then

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owned by the royal family now we know because of the present day that the

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devil is above that top top marks Alex is either intentionally obscuring this

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fact in the past true or it wasn't a piece of his cosmology or he just didn't

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know yet I think he hadn't gotten the visions from God yet who knows he hadn't

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been hit on the head enough time yes well that's possible so Tony Blair Bush

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the two of them pieces of shit but also their poll numbers are dropping yeah

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shit and Blair poll rating plummets so is Bush approval rating plummeting so

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look out they may provide us with some terror so they can pose as our saviors

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this clip is meaningless and there would be no reason to include it in the show

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on its own but I wanted to play it in order to bring up an important point

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because I think it's actually really detrimental to Alex's entire worldview

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as he sees it the evil globalists are essentially in control of everything

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which is how he's able to determine what their next moves are gonna be right

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Bush and Blair are losing public support so they need to do something to regain

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control over the population and because Alex knows that they can do literally

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anything the obvious solution is that they're gonna do a false flag terrorist

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attack to get the population back into a state of fear where they can be

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controlled it's the only thing that makes sense honest but that didn't

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happen no that's true there wasn't a terrorist attack and George W Bush's

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approval ratings just continued to slump all the way until the end of his

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presidency right if Alex's worldview was correct this should not have happened it

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should not have been possible for this to happen Bush should have had all the

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control over the mechanisms that manipulate public opinion and Alex knows

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that a false flag terror attack is their favorite tool to win the people back

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because then they can pose as the world's Savior and that didn't happen

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Bush's approval rating just blip yep the reason that this clip would usually

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never make it into an episode is because Alex says shit like this all the time to

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the point where I barely even notice these predictions that he got wrong when

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I'm listening to his show these misfires that actually point to the conclusion

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that Alex's entire worldview is meaningless just blend into the

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background of the show yeah it's just constant yeah I mean it seems like at

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this point he would say if he knows what's going on that they're gonna allow

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George Bush's approval ratings to drop further and follow it farther so they

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can bring in a Democrat president maybe even a black one well if he pulled that

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off man I'm on his team but he Alex isn't even for like we're not even at

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the 2004 election that's what I'm saying quite a ways from 2008 if he could pull

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that one together then we're talking about some serious prediction ability

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but him being like and they'll figure it out and he'll be fine I still would I

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still wouldn't give him that much like sort of predictive credit for that

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because it still could be rooted in some kind of bigotry it could just be like a

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racist grandpa accident he's just like oh I bet they would put in a black

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president just that would win people over yeah those bastards yeah I could

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see that still not being like a like strong see into the future sure sure

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sure so we have one more clip from July 21st because honestly this show stinks

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a large percentage of it is Alex reading the entirety of a Ron Paul speech called

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neo-con that's great where he's talking about how bad the neo cons are they are

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it's something to behold to Alex reading in 2003 cuz yeah it's a little bit well

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a lot bit better than the president he's better at sight reading a little he's

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got a better rhythm yeah instead of the constant struggle it's still awful to

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listen to yeah but yeah it's it's not nearly as torturous mm-hmm but here's

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another dumb bad prediction u.s. struggling to find replacement troops this

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is out of Knight Ritter newspapers don't worry they got a national draft lined up

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and they'll spring it on you after they blow up something else so we have false

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flag terrorist attacks that the government and the globalists are gonna

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do that didn't happen and then there's gonna be a draft in response to that

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which also didn't happen I don't know I mean like if I wanted to I could make

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this show just a wallowing in bad prediction Alex makes but it just I

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don't know if it serves our entertainment purposes not terribly and

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I don't know how much you actually learn from just hitting that drum over and

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over and over and over again yeah so so we chant now we start to the 22nd and

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actually holy shit me and Alex agree on something the royal family does run

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everything no Oh torture testimony acceptable this is out of the London

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Guardian the British government says that torture is acceptable and answers

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wrong from individuals under torture is acceptable now that's a 180 from Western

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civilization and every cannon of a free society you cannot trust confessions

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from torture you cannot trust a government that will torture people or

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you'll have to rethink your views on our airmen being tortured by the North

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Vietnamese or by Hitler or what Joseph Mingola did in the death camps in Nazi

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Germany all right here we go yep I know that some people probably don't believe

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me but I really do try to keep my ears open for instances of things that I

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think Alex gets right and they really don't come up that often it's easy to

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think that because our shows about how much he's a huge liar and a bigot that

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we wouldn't want to allow any perception to creep in that he could be right about

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stuff but the truth is that when it comes to concrete stories and positions

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he's almost always wrong but here's something I can get down with I do

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believe the torture is always wrong the testimony that's derived from torture

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can't be trusted and I'm glad that Alex is on the same page yep unfortunately I

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know from listening to Alex into the future that he doesn't necessarily have

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this as a consistent position he always sticks to totally find a certain that

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doesn't have to ruin the fun for the moment certain people get to torture as

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much as they want 2003 though we're on board 100% no torture hurrah yes thank

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you this was a story about an mi5 expert testifying that they wouldn't think that

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information derived from torture is always not correct and that sometimes it

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could be useful which sucks and even if that statement is true it doesn't make

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the case for using that practice any more compelling yeah the post 9-11 time

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was a horrific period where people were openly discussing whether or not the

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benefits of torturing people made up for the inhumanity of it and it's not

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pleasant necessarily to go back in and see just how awful things were those

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conversations that were happening in you know presumably mainstream spaces yeah

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that Alex has such an easy stance to take yeah to appear to be the same one

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it is hard to imagine not reaching the bar of don't torture human beings yeah

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and it's like it's it is amazing that the Bush administration was like okay

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we got to get the shadiest most evil lawyers we can find to write a torture

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memo that says it's okay for us to torture and then we haven't even hunted

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them down and put them in jail for the rest of their lungs you know like

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they're just allowed to continue walking the earth like they're fine yeah you

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know and a lot of people on the left obviously were opposed right that wasn't

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hard no but some of the more mainstream figures that you might see like

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politicians yeah maybe we're more tied to the political system and more

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encumbered than someone like Alex who can give full-throated condemnations

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right and then ramble about stuff that's really exciting right whether it's true

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or not in many cases and I can really see how that would make him pretty

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attractive to people yeah who can't understand why people are having a

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conversation about whether you can torture people I mean I remember there

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were some people that they especially were representing the military almost

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always who were just so vehemently pro torture you know they would have those

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Fox News two heads two sides to torture wasn't it even like man cow was fine

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with water yeah yeah yeah like that kind of stuff happened yeah amazing it's just

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it's just incredible disgusting yep so Alex realizes the hey man maybe there

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are some first-time callers I should probably lay out who I am what am I

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about what are you getting into this show for the first time and you wonder

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what we're all about we're constitutionalist here we believe in the

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Bill of Rights and Constitution we believe in America in the Second

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Amendment in the family in Jesus Christ we believe in controlling our borders we

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believe in not attacking sovereign countries that have done nothing to us

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we believe in fighting the Big Brother control grid lowering taxes abolishing

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the Federal Reserve getting out of the United Nations that means we're mortal

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enemies of the neo cons and their liberal Stooges and also demons walk

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among us yeah I really need the devil to feature more heavily in what's going on

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right now course not cuz the sales pitch of I am opposed to torture right is

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attractive now you're gonna get people to wiggle off the hook if you're like

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also I fight literal Satan yes I do understand that liberals you're all just

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working for the devil yeah that would have been a tougher sell it would have

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been harder yes to be like no no no I know you think that the royal families

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are the problem the Rothschilds at the end of the day the only person who would

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really torture the devil the devil the devil now I I don't have any clips of

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this but I was that actually made me think of something and that is that like

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Alex is talking a lot about like you know vaccines and what have you but

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Fauci doesn't come up does not come up strangely mm-hmm because he knew that he

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knew all along that Fauci was bad news mm-hmm I mean except for that stretch

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where he did well there's also like international issues and things about

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like monetary stuff and sure cause Schwab doesn't come up doesn't it seems

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odd seems very strange seems real strange I don't even think he's talking

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about Bill Gates Bill Gates oh well yeah who doesn't but yeah he's not coming up

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yeah anyway not a whole lot of content on this episode but there is an

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interesting breakdown that Alex has where he he decides to start talking

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about how like he doesn't watch TV anymore and it leads to a very long

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ramble okay I haven't watched more than two hours of TV in the last hundred

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years two weeks now normally an hour a day and become physically ill literally

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I get nauseated and angry and to sing I'm lying seeing how evil they are

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watching their smirking criminality I can't handle it anymore so I'm asking

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you to take bashcroft on c-span I'm asking you to take Hillary Clinton I'm

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asking you to keep track of these people I can't do it anymore I just I'm so

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happy not watching TV for the last two weeks it's wonderful and so you know if

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you see something on c-span of the news please type it and send it to us and

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mark it and tell me what it is and then if it's if it's important I'll watch it

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and do something with it I understand like it's better to not spend a lot of

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time watching TV but this is your job yeah you're just making other people do

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your job now yeah I mean you could you could hire somebody to do it for you the

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a lot of a lot of shows in fact every late show has a writers room dedicated

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almost entirely to watching shit all day that's true and that but even on the on

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the flip side of that like let's look at let's look at this I mean like

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listening to Alex's show sucks yeah that's true I don't fucking enjoy it

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much I'm not gonna crowdsource this you imagine just saying like listen I'm not

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doing the job anymore if you guys want us to talk about something Alex Jones

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said send us the clips on you yeah we'll do it I can't handle it anymore cuz it

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sucks yeah I must subject you to the thing we'll do an Alex call-in show

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please so anyway I thought I thought this was gonna be short but it is it is

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not because Alex fakes something of a physical response sure I just I can't do

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it I can't watch them anymore it's too painful because that's exactly what they

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are and just thinking about it I'm getting sick at my stomach I am I'm

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getting a headache right now I get that image out of my mind get the images of

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them out of my mind okay there we go these people huh mmm it really is

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affecting me okay yeah it sounds like it wow that sounds I mean so intense the

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feelings that I'm getting from him right now so he's supposed to be going to

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calls sure he's just kind of shivering yeah it goes on it just goes on and on

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the propaganda has gotten so bad I had to turn it off because again I just walk

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around the office walk around home and watch them all over the channels and I

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turn up the volume and hear what they were saying and pop a tape in I kept

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tapes and all the VCRs and I've got giant stacks of video we haven't even

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logged or watched yet and we'll do it I've gotten a bigger office and I've got

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more people in there now trying to log these and watch them and oh they're so

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evil there's no way to track their lies and evil I could take one article and I

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checked it and show you hundreds of lies and do it all right your calls are come

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up in a minute but I literally did just get a panging headache sure and so

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painful started getting nauseated thinking about it because I have to

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watch the serial killer sit up there and then and talk about how they're gonna

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save us by taking all our rights away we'll just give them more control well I

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get it I get it why you you faked a headache and stomachache I get it yeah

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you don't have to keep it explaining that I can't stand to look at these

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people I hate one more time well he's gonna I believe you and not only is he

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gonna say it he's gonna he's gonna insult the police a little bit good

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cuz he has this conception like okay you know police it's gotta be tough to see

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somebody that you know is guilty get away with a crime sure but it's not

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nearly as hard as what Alex has to put no absolutely not Alex has a much bigger

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across the frankly cops don't do shit hmm I'd imagine police officers good

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police officers good detectives good FBI that are out there who are

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compartmentalized and actually do a good job they know what I'm talking about

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they know what it's like to know somebody's a criminal to know they're a

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murderer to know they're a thief and to watch them get away with it and to watch

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them I guess the police don't know what it's like them because they don't have

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to investigate a criminal and then watch them on the news as our Savior being

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given rewards and awards so I guess you don't know which actually that is the

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cops and what a few of the police and detectives out there have experienced

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okay it's a lot worse it's very painful I gotta cover some of this news and I

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promise I'll get to the loaded phones here I just really did affect me

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bringing back those images that's why I turn the TVs off though and I don't know

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how long I'm gonna do it because I get all the same news out of the newspaper

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and more I just I just don't have to look at them all right all right so this

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goes on quite a while Wow yeah does he does he think that more explaining means

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he gets more sympathy from me hmm cuz it's the inverse mm-hmm the more you

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explain why I should be sympathetic to you the less sympathetic I am well I

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also think that maybe he doesn't get that his point has been made you know

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yeah I think that sometimes he feels like I come with another way to say yeah

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yeah I think he thinks he's adding a more detail as opposed to repeating the

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same right right he's like oh my god this horse just coughed better keep

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beating it so this does end eventually mm-hmm and I'm gonna guarantee that Alex

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has been watching plenty of TV ah yeah but he gets a call from somebody who

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wants to know about a draft piece of legislation that Alex is pushing oh boy

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here we go we want to know how to bring forward my resolution the save the Bill

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of Rights campaigns when passed by some cities and towns there are many other

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resolutions some are weaker a few others might be a little bit stronger than mine

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though I doubt it you find a like-minded City Council member you approach them

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and you bring them a few news articles that are all over the place like the one

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out of the Anchorage Daily News where it says where it says hold on Republicans

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pass a a bill decrying the Patriot Act and restoring the Bill of Rights and

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Constitution you say look conservatives in Alaska are doing this they're trying

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to do it in Salt Lake City conservative towns around Salt Lake are passing it

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you show them conservative towns in Florida doing it and you say this is a

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conservative issue because they're gonna try to say it's a liberal issue they

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try to do that in the media and balkanize things and you say we want

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you to simply say the Bill of Rights and Constitution are still in effect in this

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county in town and that you're gonna stand up for it and then you also pass

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out copies to ten of your friends who are going to be there and you have them

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all call members of the council beforehand or go down and talk to them

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in person or ask them to have a cup of coffee with you in the morning at the

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local coffee shop and you educate them about it and then you ask them

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respectfully to pass it then if they refuse you start coming down and

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decrying them as spitting on the graves of our veterans if they won't simply

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pass a resolution saying the Bill of Rights is in effect and in power in your

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city or town hell yeah so that clips really interesting because I think it

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really boils down Alex's approach to politics we've seen him play this out on

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a number of occasions like when he was obsessed with state legislators passing

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bills to affirm the Tenth Amendment for a few months at 2009 he does this shit

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yeah what what happens is that Alex will identify a perceived threat and come up

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with a completely symbolic and meaningless solution to it he's mad

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about the Patriot Act so he wants states to pass bills that say the Constitution

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is real whether or not these states pass these bills that is no effect on whether

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or not the Constitution is real this is from top to bottom just a PR ploy this

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may work in some places but not many most governing bodies would be able to

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see that this is a purely symbolic entirely meaningless act and to pass a

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bill like this would only serve to give the appearance that folks like Alex have

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real institutional power within the party this would be giving the fringe

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right-wing the appearance of a victory with nothing actually achieved and

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nothing gained for the politicians themselves it would in effect be the

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government ceding power to the fringe which is unlikely to ever happen in

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normal times without a fight right and that's why the second aspect of Alex's

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strategy comes in where he tells people to decry politicians who won't play ball

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as people who spit on the graves of veterans or he's basically hoping that

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this kind of threat will be enough to get these politicians to go along with

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his meaningless bill and that will to some degree allow Alex to demonstrate

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his own relevance and influence within mainstream politics without anything

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getting done and no risk actually being taken right this is a model that you see

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often in the right-wing media but one of the things that's kind of troubling is

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that in our last episode we saw Marjorie Taylor Greene basically playing the same

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game with her Congressional Accountability Act when people lament

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that the right-wing has become conspiracy minded and like Alex another

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thing to really keep an eye on is how much the folks like Marjorie are

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governing like Alex might as opposed to just saying the kind of stuff I think

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what congressman should be here okay all right so they can vote they can

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vote anyways yeah but now they'll super vote and if they don't do it we will

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but like harass let me let me throw this out I paint them as cover-up artists let

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me throw this out at you uh-huh here's how useless that bill is you Alex's bill

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yeah you couldn't write a bill saying that they're not in effect uh-huh right

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right so it doesn't matter if you if you can't write a law saying you can't do

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this there's no point in writing a law saying you can't right it's not like

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some town in Florida could write a bill that says you have to quarter soldiers

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yeah I mean that would be insane and then you do that's not how it works

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uh-uh uh-uh nope nope nope and you can't have somebody who's like ah you have to

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quarter soldiers because here we don't even worry about the Constitution what

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what are you talking about yeah so that didn't go anywhere shockingly yeah and

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neither does this fucking episode cuz we got one last clip and it's Alex making

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another dumb prediction all right documents released under America's Freedom

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Information Act revealed in an energy task force led by Vice President Dick

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Cheney was examining Iraq's oil assets two years before the latest war began

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the papers were obtained after a long battle with the White House by judicial

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watch a conservative legal charity that opposes government secrecy and which is

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suing for the dealings of the task force to be made public this is just some of

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what they got most of it hadn't been released the emergence of the documents

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could fuel claims that America's war in Iraq had as much to do with oil as

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national security it also indicates that the administration is beginning to lose

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the battle to keep its internal workings secret and don't think the military

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industrial complex won't detonate a new car really smallpox to smokescreen all

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of this we're in very bad trouble right now and I pray to God to protect us you

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better pray that too folks protect us from these people Oh Lord so it's fair

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that these are real documents and that judicial watch did get them released but

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the coverage of them is a little bit skewed the 16 pages of documents do

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include a map of Iraq's oil fields but it also includes a map of the oil fields

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in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates it seems safe to say that these

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documents show that Cheney and his energy task force were aware of Iraqi

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oil fields prior to 9-11 but the larger picture of this set of documents make it

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difficult to use as definitive proof that the Bush administration did 9-11

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or started the war in Iraq specifically for oil right whether or not you believe

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that to be the case for other reasons these documents are not good proof for

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that conclusion because they also contain oil fields in other countries

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that weren't invaded which seem to be counter examples to the presentation

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that Alex is making about these documents yeah larger picture though

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this is a good example of how Alex covers stuff there are some documents

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that got released that he can exaggerate and sensationalize and in order to

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amplify their importance he suggests that Bush might set off a fucking nuke

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or release smallpox in order to distract from these documents yeah this is very

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common for him and probably the only reason we don't have a clip like this in

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every episode is because I ignore this shit most of the time since this would

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get tedious it's very tedious yeah yeah so we jump to the 23rd like I mean just

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simply you don't need to set off a nuke to get people to not pay attention to

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judicial watch it's true you know I would oh I would be interested to do

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some national polling to see how many people even know judicial watch yeah I

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would say a lot of people probably don't now to be fair mmm in 2003 Larry

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Clayman was not in charge yeah that is true was Tom Fitton so this is not a

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Clayman joint yeah I mean to distract from judicial watch you could probably

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like turn the lights out in a little part of Nashville and the whole country

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would be like well we don't need to pay attention to judicial watch now there's

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this lights out Nashville situation you know it's not that big of a deal yeah I

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think to distract from this you could I don't know televise a concert something

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that trivial yeah the celebrity kovat messages would be more than enough to

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distract from bring back rockin jock basketball and we're distracted from

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these documents battle bots so we jump to the 23rd and

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Alex says he starts off kind of with a weird weird story men ordered to stay in

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those from ABC News men ordered to stay in their homes in Spain at night that's

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a new feminist move by the government they say it's very loving and if you're

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against this year against women there's a nighttime curfew now in a major city

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because well men should be doing more of the housework so this is the

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micromanagement of government and one of the globalist biggest allies in Juan

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Carlos the king of Spain and others so weirdly I thought this had to have been

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about the fact that the night before this there were two bombings at popular

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Spanish resorts and Alicante and Benidorm I thought for sure that's what

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this story oh so you're thinking that because of those bombings they

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instituted a curfew I thought for sure that was the case I mean it would make

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sense for that to be the case so there are these two resorts that were

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approximately 29 miles apart so it was obviously a terrorist attack that

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required coordination and a Basque separatist group called the ETA had

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taken responsibility I was certain that this was a situation where there was a

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curfew the only thing that makes sense but that wasn't the case oh no and

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ultimately Alex never even brings up those bombs well this actually is kind

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of what Alex is claiming interesting so the mayor of a town in Spain Torin Don

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Jimeno it said that that man had to be in by nine o'clock on Thursdays so they

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could do chores it's real but it is fucking love it I think it's great

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Thursdays in that town were to be ladies night from then on this was a guy named

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Javier Cheka and because of decisions like this he lost the reelection for

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mayor the next year and this was ultimately an inconsequential human

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interest story I mean that will happen yeah if you do act like a silly clown

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man who's like this story might be relevant to the people who lived in that

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town but the idea that it's a story that Alex is reporting on his national radio

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show is some kind of proof that men are under attack by out-of-control feminism

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is comical men are out of it are under attack by the Mad Hatter and imagining

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this had anything to do with Juan Carlos yes ridiculous I feel like a better use

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of Alex's time as someone who's interested in important news would be to

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talk about the fucking bombings at resorts the day before what's happening

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that would make sense he's talking about news out of Spain it's some trivial

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bullshit like this as opposed to two roads where foreign nationals were

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staying and hurt right but I mean come on a ladies night on Thursdays townwide

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that's a fun story that's more fun to talk about the bombing but it shows it

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shows the level of content that Alex is kind of equipped to run with yeah

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absolutely he never talked about anything but like ladies nights in

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weirdo towns that's great hey good radio Alex Jones here I bought an RV ladies

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nights absolutely how about a ladies nights diners lies and drive-ins that's

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what he's gonna do it and it's all lubies bad news about the lubies oh no

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it's closed oh so we have Alex just sort of bouncing around talking about talking

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about topics sure gets into a little bit of fluoride real weirdo and the nonsense

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and when you're in the stores you see the water for infants in the jugs and it

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says fortified with fluoride yum yum yum and then you look at the thousands of

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medical reports about it attacks the brain development causes bone fractures

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contrary to popular belief but I so what give that to them as well and then you

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read oldest Huxley's brave new world written in 1933 and he talks about a

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government plan to dumb down children at birth or in the womb to have a subclass

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of mindless idiots so you have a ruling elite who are more intelligent and can

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control the population this is what feudalists have always done by trying to

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keep the serfs on tiny plots of land at subsistence level so they're running so

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fast on the treadmill under malnutrition that they literally are retarded we see

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this with the serfs of Japan of Europe we saw with the serfs of Russia the same

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system but now it's more sophisticated you say wait a minute oldest Huxley he

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was a fiction writer well his brother was the first secretary general of a

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criminal organization that Bush just signed on to an increased funding for

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he was the first secretary general in 1946 and was there for many years

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Julian Huxley of UNESCO and we've aired it here and I think we should air it

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again the 45 minutes speech the last speech that Aldous Huxley brother of

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Julian Huxley gave at Berkeley University in California in 1962 and in

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the speech he said that brave new world was actually the government plan and

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that he had gotten it from his brother that's a complete lie that would have

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been a very important news item yeah if he had deliberately revealed that brave

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new world is actually my brother's plan from the beginning what a fucking lie

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yeah you can go and listen to brave new world revisited if you want it's readily

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available online and at no point in it does Aldous Huxley say the brave new

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world is based on a secret government plan his brother told him about which

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he knew about because he was in charge of UNESCO nor does he cackle maniacally

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like the supervillain he would be if that were true he does not this is an

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absolute lie and get this Alex knows that it's a lie I know that he knows

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that oh yeah I can say that with confidence because he uses selectively

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edited clips of brave new world revisited in his documentaries and in

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order to get those clips that he uses he would have to be familiar with the

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larger context and he had to you'd have to know that he's creating a distorted

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manipulative image also we've talked about this a hundred times in the past

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but fluoride doesn't dumb children down it's a positive and has dramatically

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reduced dental problems in this country though there is definitely a concern

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about it having a dangerous effect in high enough doses sure that's what the

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studies he's referencing are which he's lying about to apply to the incredibly

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low amount that's in tap water Alex has a lie about fluoride which he can't back

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up if he's forced to actually get into the details about it so instead of doing

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that he just distracts with a side story about how the addition of fluoride in

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the water is just like brave new world and did you know that the author of that

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book admitted that it's a secret government plot to dumb everyone down

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because his brother told him so it creates a fun conspiracy for the

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listener to make themselves afraid of but it's bullshit

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fluoride's terrifying now look over at these jangling keys so Alex runs out of

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gas a bit about 40 minutes into the show he's been talking about nothing yeah

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more or less nothing sure and par for the course he decides I'm gonna go to

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calls oh boy this was a mistake that's not good because this first caller that

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he gets is itching for a fight and this is this is very exciting let's do it you

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know we have this stretch of time where there's really not much going on and

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this is where I felt like business is really gonna pick up uh-huh this guy

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this Canadian weirdo I just it's more evil than I thought it could be I

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didn't understand the depths of evil I'm still plumbing them and yes I'm a deep

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diver and yes I've faced it I have faced the matrix folks it is horrifying the

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horror is that more of you aren't waking up quick enough let's just take some

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calls I'll get back another news add in Canada go ahead sir I'm one of your

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dissidents so I hope you don't cut me off now go ahead you know I'm a Canadian

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who supports the US troops and the war in Iraq and a lot lots of Canadians are

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in favor of it and we're not a bunch of cowards we did it in Vietnam also you

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know when your draft Dodgers came up here by the thousands thousands of

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Canadians volunteered to fight in Vietnam and they didn't have to did you

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know that they joined the US Army and the Marines and they fought in Vietnam

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and here you when I listen to you to you twisting and manipulating the news every

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morning for instance the biggest news story this morning was the killing of

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Saddam's son oh that was coming up so you you apparently haven't heard about

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that or you know it was it was thank you for reminding me it's right here in

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front of me it was you in fact it was two stories down I would have gotten to

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it before the hour that was a bigger story you took your quite a time to get

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to it one of these guys hey hey hey hey put him on hold don't hang up okay

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weasel weasel weasel so this is awesome I can't even begin to describe how

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excited I was when I heard this caller the last few days of the show have been

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a slog of Alex rambling about nothing but this Canadian weirdo seems like the

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shot in the arm that Alex is gonna need to get his game face on it's a perilous

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situation sometimes listening to these callers they almost always just agree

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with whatever Alex is saying but in the cases where they disagree with him

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they're often still assholes and wrong that's the kind of situation we have

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here this dude in Canada who's pumped about the Iraq War who wants to

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emasculate Alex for not being manly enough to support it yep pretty fun yeah

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that also kind of sucks though and it was looking like I was gonna have to

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side with Alex since obviously opposition to the war is the right

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position I'm not gonna be on team war is cool uh-huh but then the caller drops

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that fucking bomb on Alex's plate this is like 40 minutes into the show and as

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best as I can tell Alex hasn't really covered any actual news that's bad

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enough on a slow day but Saddam's kids were killed that day and I'm honestly

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not sure if Alex would have even gotten to that story if the caller hadn't

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brought Alex's whole thing about Iraq is that Saddam has been secreted out of the

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country and is living on some island in luxury or possibly in Russia so it seems

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like it could be a little hard for him decide where to land on this story if he

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accepts that it really is Uday and Qusay who died then he probably has some

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recalibration to do on his narrative how are the listeners supposed to believe

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that Saddam was taken to a beach resort but somehow his children were left in

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Mosul and killed in a firefight with US troops that seems like a hard story to

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make stick conversely on what grounds is Alex gonna be able to claim some kind of

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conspiracy here does he go with like a body double theory or does he just deny

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that it happened this is a piece of news that I can definitely see Alex being a

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bit reluctant to take his position on immediately because the implications it

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could have for other larger narratives about the war are real and they're more

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important for him to protect yeah you got to think about this one I do love

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that the caller is forcing his hand on this issue but I have to say it's very

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clear that this guy is probably a huge asshole oh totally so not though he did

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self-censor he almost said you're sure taking your sweet-ass time about it and

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then he was like you are you sure took your time to get there yeah he's nothing

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if not Canadian polite yeah yeah um so Alex I'm a warmonger but I'm gonna say

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thank you and please huh so Alex Alex calls him a weasel and is like hey hey

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weasel yeah that's a good start I'm gonna rebut your points oh here we go

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and so here's the first attempt let's do it put him on hold don't hang up okay

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weasel let me counter what you're saying piece by piece here okay we can honor it

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piece by piece because you can make an accusation and I'm gonna counter it at

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that point Ron Paul who served what is it two terms and tours in Vietnam as a

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flight surgeon okay frontline Ron Paul says the war is wrong and says it's a

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fraud now I don't know about mr. Bush who only spent a year at the National

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Guard and then went AWOL I don't know about the rest of his cabinet who are

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all either draft Dodgers or got deferments now let's counter that first

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number two so this really doesn't do much to counter what the caller said the

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caller said that he was tired of Alex's anti-war talk and the Canadians are

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brave and go to war or something like that right Alex's rebuttal to that is to

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say Ron Paul was a doctor in Vietnam and he says the war is bad that's basically

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an appeal to authority that's pretty much meaningless in this conversation I

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was waiting for him to reply with see the royal family owns all the tabloids

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I'll tell you about Barnard yeah Beatrix saying that Bush dodged the

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draft is like it's equally unimportant to the point that's going on so far this

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seems like a bit of flailing on Alex's part and it possibly an attempt to pump

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up Ron Paul's military service credentials could be so that's the first

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point and now we get to the second point which I guess is about the fact that

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Alex hasn't covered Saddam's kids number two he went off into this whole

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diatribe about how I didn't talk about Saddam Hussein sons well I I guess I'm

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cursed with something I have a long-term memory I'm sorry what killed chemical

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Ali nice little name they give him and it turns out they didn't they claim that

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they killed Saddam not once not twice but three separate times and then said

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he was alive again because I know you need little mindless victory so they

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give you false ones oh we finally got Goldstein and then Goldstein's back was

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1984 illusion I'm alluding to that excuse me not an illusion I'm alluding

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to it this whole thing about oh they they they had a firefight and killed

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four people in there they're sure they that they killed these guys I happen to

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remember Rumsfeld saying a week before the war they paid off the Iraqi

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leadership and they were gonna lay down their arms where have I heard that one

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before it was flown out on on jet aircraft and according to the Russian

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and Iranian news they were flown out to safety in Russia so this smells of

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bullshit uh-huh if Alex's position was that the globalists constantly report

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that people are dead but actually aren't and he would have led the show talking

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about how this is a big cover-up and that uday and kusei weren't really dead

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he didn't do that and showed no indication of even being aware of the

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story until the caller brought it up so to me this sounds more like

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defensiveness yeah Alex does bring up some cases of misreporting that have

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happened in the haze of war in April 2003 Ali Hassan al-majeed or chemical

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Ali was thought to be dead after his villa in Basra was the target of an

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airstrike the New York Post reported on the situation and quoted Rumsfeld as

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saying quote we believe the reign of chemical Ali has come to an end

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additionally they spoke to a major in the British 3rd battalion parachute

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regiment who said they'd recovered quote a body that was thought to be Majid's

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this looked like a fairly safe assumption to make given the information

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coming in but it ultimately turned out to be wrong and that can happen when

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you're talking about casualties in the aftermath immediately of an airstrike

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right right with Saddam himself there were instances of rumors of his death

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being reported by Western news outlets but I don't believe that it was ever

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officially said that he was dead like any like strong confirmation I think

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somebody did start singing it was something like chemical Lee evil is he

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now he's dead I was doing it I got it I got there okay so Saddam had a lot of

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enemies and it was in poor health particularly in early 2001 when one of

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these rumors made the rounds there was a part of this reporting there's probably

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something of a psych warfare tactic meant to make Saddam look weak in a way

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that might inspire one of his rivals to be like ah now's the time to seize power

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not saying that's necessarily a good thing but if that was the strategy it

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kind of makes sense right in terms of that sure in the case of Uday and Kusei

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this wasn't a rumor or a possible killing from an airstrike this was the

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on-the-ground fighting that happened and the troops released photographic

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evidence confirming that Saddam's children and one of his grandchildren

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were killed yep US troops were also tipped off to Uday and Kusei's

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whereabouts by the guy who was letting them stay with him so they had fairly

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strong Intel even prior to going in to the fight yeah I can understand Alex's

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instinct towards skepticism but it's leading him off track here into

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territory where he just assumes everything is fake without any

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justification there have been a few instances of misreported deaths in the

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past but that doesn't mean that every death that's reported as a fraud and the

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only way you can really tell is if you engage with the actual reporting you

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can't engage at the current story by just yelling about things that have

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happened in the past because ultimately those things in the past don't have a

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direct impact at the present story hmm also I'd be remiss if I didn't stress

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that the cases that Alex is talking about being fake in the past and the

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case of stom's kids they're too dissimilar to equate to one another

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suspecting that someone is killed in an airstrike like in the case of chemical

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Ali is different than having Intel that someone was in a certain place finding

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them there and then getting into a gun battle with them right it's very very

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different yeah ultimately the feeling I get from this is that Alex didn't plan

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on talking about this story whether because he didn't know about it or

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because he didn't want to stake a claim it feels quite strongly that this clip

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is essentially him talking around the issue in a way that allows him to call

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it fake later if he wants but he doesn't commit to anything yeah he's like I know

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I have to respond to this and I'm gonna try and do as much as I can to like

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stretch it out so maybe he'll quit and I can just stop talking about it right

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right or I'll be able to have time to think of something better I have to

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defend myself from the assertion that I didn't talk about this and I don't want

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to make a definitive claim perhaps and so the way to defend myself is to be

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like aha I didn't talk about it cuz I'm too smart to rock about exactly and

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that's kind of just I don't know it rings false yeah it rings a little false

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yeah and then it gets worse because what he does is just try and shift the

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conversation yeah and so don't sit here and claim that we're liberal socialists

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here because we're against your phony war Ron Paul has the most conservative

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record not rhetoric record and he's against your phony war now what do you

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say to that buddy can I say something now yeah well no no no you answer my

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questions what about Ron Paul he has a record not a rhetoric now what do you

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say are you calling me I heard his speech about neo-con okay that was

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yesterday that was one that Alex read yeah in

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entirety yeah so exhausting so Alex has made a pivot in this conversation and

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he's now baselessly insisting that the caller has called him a liberal

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socialist this has the effect of taking the argument off of the territory where

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Alex really has nothing to say and transitions it into a framing where the

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caller is gonna have to respond to Alex's straw man you were saying we're

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liberal socialists for being against the war but the most conservative person in

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Congress Ron Paul's against the war are you against Ron Paul and thus not really

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conservative it's a cheap game but from a rhetoric perspective it's a super

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effective debate tactic that Alex and a lot of other shitheads use constantly

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and personal insults will help keep people from recognizing weasel the way

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Alex has presented it to this caller there's a yes or no answer he can give

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that takes the conversation nowhere productive it's essentially meaningless

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if it's conservative or liberal to be for or against the war but this is the

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water Alex wants to swim in because that water is fucking shallow to be honest

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Alex is gonna win this argument no matter what if it goes if it keeps going

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this way because this guy is gonna have to defend the war and Alex can just yell

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over him at that point those are two gigantic hills that this caller has to

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climb and no one who thinks it's a good idea to call in fours is up for that

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kind of work you bet it's just not good although this caller gave me some

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glimmer of hope okay because Alex is really trying to rattle him and to his

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credit whether intentionally or not this caller does the one thing you can do in

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that situation we're talking about reality here now is he a draft-dodging

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liberal because he's against the war I'm talking about you did you ever did you

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serve the military no and let me give you another little news tip here I'm not

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gonna go serve under the UN and I'm not gonna serve on these corporate wars and

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they've got a hundred billion to two hundred billion funding mercenary armies

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and they're hiring illegal aliens with criminal records now like Stalin did

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anyway hey hey this is not hey this is not a two-year-old discussion I'm

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telling you the most conservative member of Congress says the war is wrong so

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don't you don't say you don't want to discuss that and call me a liberal lots

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of people say the war is wrong and others don't okay good work well as

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usual you can't you don't have any coaching points on so you can see

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something really remarkable happen there and I want to bring sharp focus to it

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what Alex is doing is trying to rattle off as many talking points as he could

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and attempt to fluster the caller the goal was to overwhelm him with things

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that he's expected to respond to and if the caller tries to respond to any of

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them hey well there's that or Alex has a response pre-loaded and and and even if

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somebody if he doesn't and the caller responds to something Alex can just say

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like you didn't respond to all these other points that I made yeah this caller

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did exactly the thing that Alex couldn't handle and that's that he ignored all of

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Alex's distraction bait and kept the point good he was kind of trying to make

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the caller never brought up Ron Paul or whether the war was conservative that

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was all Alex trying to put a position on him from everything I can tell the

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caller seems like he just wanted to argue with Alex about him being a coward

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and about how Alex weirdly didn't cover the story about Saddam's sons yeah that

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was his agenda he's having a great time though I'm certain he's a complete

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asshole I applaud this caller for not taking Alex's bait and you can kind of

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see what happens at that point Alex essentially deflates it's like okay he

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says the caller doesn't have any cogent points which really just means that

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Alex is disappointed that he didn't get to bicker about Alex's chosen points and

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then Alex calls him a neocon which is the most dreaded insult on this show

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since like in 2003 yeah that is worse than Democrat yeah yeah this caller

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hasn't really brought up political labels at all almost everything you see

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going on is a piece of window dressing that Alex is set up in order for this

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argument to play out how he wants it to and this caller isn't playing ball with

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that yeah which I think is fascinating I still sucks though I think it's

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fascinating that it seems as though he did settle on one position which is Ron

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Paul is my shield Alex yeah yes yeah yeah so it's like I don't even have you

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want to get through me you have to get through this rhetorical bear totally you

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Ron Paul is the most conservative so I don't even need to think about my

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position right now I've got Ron Paul is the shield and then tomorrow I can come

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up with a good conspiracy theory but right now Ron Paul is blocking well Ron

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Paul's my shield and then my distraction is this laundry list of all these other

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talking points about I don't know maybe was assumed like I assume he's talking

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about Blackwater yeah yeah I don't want to go to fight for NATO or UN yeah so

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yeah anyway this caller stays on point and decides like look dude the Saddam

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story what about that let's do this come on man you gotta talk about fucking

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let's do this have you noticed the approval rating drops and suddenly they

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claim now now which time did they kill Saddam they claim they killed Saddam and

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his sons three other times and then later a month later quietly said it

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wasn't true so I'm supposed to believe it this time well this time they have

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the body well when you drop a bomb on a building you can be sure if you killed

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the bird but what about so now so the government doesn't lie to us okay oh man

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this is just humiliating for Alex yeah he has so much nothing here and you can

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tell by how desperate he is to force positions onto the caller Alex really

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isn't making much sense with his insisting that the deaths of stomps kids

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must be faked because there's been misreporting in the past so he decides

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to ascribe to the caller a position he didn't take that the government never

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lies to us yeah this is another instance of Alex using the same trick he tried

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unsuccessfully by appealing to Ron Paul he wants the conversation to be on his

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terms so now he's trying to force the caller to make one of two stances he can

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affirm the position Alex has forced on him and say that the government never

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lies to us and then Alex can tee off about times the government's lied and

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then claim victory in the conversation or he can reject the position and Alex

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will have an inroad to say so you admit the government lies to us now prove that

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this one isn't a lie exactly exchanges like this are really interesting to me

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because it's actually really rare to see Alex's brain working like in this in

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this sort of arena right in the past a lot of the callers you would get would

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be as fans or sometimes they'd just be annoying like the Republic of Texas

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people who have all declared themselves the president of Texas gets really mad

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about they won in the present day this stuff never really happens at all and if

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there's disagreement about something from a caller Alex will just yell at

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them and hang up it's rare that his actual debate techniques are on display

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and if you pay attention to them you can see that almost all of them are based

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in misdirection he's trying to avoid any underlying argument and I suspect it's

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because the the points this caller brings up are a bit threatening to him

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for one it is true that Alex never brought up Saddam's sons being killed

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which seems like a mark against him as a journalist even if he thinks it's all

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fake it seems like someone who talks about geopolitics on his show so much

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and who has a lot of thoughts about the Iraq War it seems like they would bring

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up people saying that Saddam's kids are dead but he thinks it's bullshit if

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that's his position I mean on the day that's probably the most important

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geopolitical news story you bet yeah Alex didn't do that which is weird just

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weird secondly it is true that Alex never served the country which could be

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a sore spot for a lot of the military obsessed people in the audience Alex was

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born in 1974 so he would have been 18 in 1992 and he would have been eligible to

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go fight in Somalia or in Bosnia I understand that he wouldn't have wanted

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to or might have even been philosophically opposed to it but he

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wasn't even in something like ROTC in high school or when he was in community

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college Alex's audience is particularly focused on the military but only a part

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of that has to do with service to the country the other part is kind of a

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cultural thing where there's a distinction between the people who would

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sacrifice and subject themselves to a thing that requires such heavy amounts

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of discipline that it kind of sets you apart from people who didn't go through

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an experience like that if I were Alex I probably would prefer that this was

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brought up as rarely as possible and this caller does seem to be hitting some

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soft spots and not taking Alex's distraction bait one of my points here

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is that Alex really actually isn't good at this he's a bad debater if you're

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aware of just some of these really basic tricks he's trying to pull and really

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most of the things he has in his toolkit are just yelling and hanging up on

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people yeah it's it's really it's really interesting to see this this this is

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impotence in terms of like a back and forth yeah I mean it's impotence in the

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sense of I mean if the conversation itself was to have any meaning

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whatsoever I mean it is also one of those demonstrations of how stupidity

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can appear to be authority mm-hmm you know where it's like the fact that he is

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the one in power despite having nothing to say he gets to say the last word

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every time but you know there are ways to diffuse both of these points easily

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without talking about Ron Paul sure anything yeah you can say like you could

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talk cogently about his opposition to the war is conscientious non

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participation in war right he could do that and that would be fine that would

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possibly alienate some people in his audience for whom military service is so

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important right and maybe that's part of the reason why he wouldn't want to do

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that I don't know but he could do that and he doesn't simultaneously with the

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story about Saddam's kids look I think obviously that's the biggest news story

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of the day you would expect that a show like his would lead with that but he

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could diffuse that instantly by just being like look I am allowed to lay out

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the editorial structure of my own show the way I want to and I understand that

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you think that this should have been brought up at the beginning of the show

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but I have a method to how I'm doing things total and we are going to get to

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it I appreciate you bringing this to the forefront sure he could have done that

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very easily and diffuse this point entirely yeah or if he wanted to be full

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of shit he could even be like we have internal metrics most people tune in

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around second hour yeah I was thinking that too yeah he could do something like

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that and be like sometimes we like to warm up at the beginning of the show

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maybe oh even how about this a lot of affiliates don't pick up the first hour

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or anything anything anything and instead it's this mess of just half

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half-assed sort of debate tactic no it's grim I mean if you wanted to really be

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like fine fuck you let's go into my world just just be like oh you fought in

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Vietnam how did that work out was that a good idea that's about oh that's a bad

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move because this guy probably would but he wouldn't he wouldn't back down no

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exactly but think about how that turns from you know your service or any of

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that shit and takes it all back on to him right it would but then Alex would

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end up having to engage in some substance when the guy comes back at him

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sure but you've got so many war crimes that the government lied about in

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Vietnam but Alex wouldn't be able to engage with those in a meaningful way he

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would only be able to rattle off a bunch of vague pieces of information that he

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kind of remembers in that scattershot way that he did with the the instances

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of misreportings of debts no he wouldn't have done any better because he's just

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simply not equipped to be able to do it right there are a million different ways

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to do right he just doesn't have a sword like honestly the better way Alex should

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do this is shock jock shit like he should just be like you have the Queen

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on your money totally totally yeah fight with bullshit yeah like cuz engaging but

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also not is transparent in terms of how bad he a job he's doing yeah and that is

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you know if you're paying attention to the show Alex does not come off well you

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know whereas he could come off really funny and also dismissive of this

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person's points if he were just to like all right you want to fight let's play

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yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah something along those lines yeah huh

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what do you totally do right you motherfucker yeah instead it's just a

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hmm so um 9-eleven comes up sure what happened

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well Alex has some ideas about what happened okay these are also ideas he

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would not admit he supported in the present day he'd be like I didn't say

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he didn't say any of this I never did that yeah I never did that I said all of

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them were remote-controlled yeah yeah and 300 former top u.s. generals and

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and others met in Portugal for a 76 hour news conference last year and laid it

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all out oh you mean the ones that FBI informants and agents lived with and

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paid for their houses and their cars and their credit cards and they trained at

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u.s. bases and all the public officials that got told not to fly that day or the

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CIA that put put options in on American and United or maybe you're talking about

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the u.s. troops massing into zekes down to his biggest and or maybe peanut

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calling for terrorist attacks to get us behind the New World Order you talking

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about all that sees using that trick again totally this is just a long list

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of tenuously connected talking points Alex is able to pull out of his memory

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in order to try and overwhelm the caller and make it appear that he can't answer

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any of this stuff but again this doesn't have anything to do with the point of

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the call this is 9-eleven truther stuff which isn't really relevant to Alex

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didn't join the military or how Alex didn't talk about Saddam's sons being

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killed I will blame the caller for bringing up the 9-eleven stuff so this

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is on him this bird yes exactly it's his fault this is on him but again this is

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an abusive debate tactic Alex is using to try and make sure the caller has

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nowhere to go and is boxed in and the only thing that can really counter this

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is ignoring it all and staying focused on the point that you were discussing to

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begin with yeah that is the solution to this kind of a tactic just kind of brush

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it aside it's it's it's meaningless well substance wise all Alex did was go

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but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but

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but but but but but yeah great yeah you just ignore it distraction can only

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really be countered by staying on target but all too often responding to one of

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the items in Alex's laundry list is just too tempting the caller doesn't actually

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do either thing he doesn't stay on message and at the same time he doesn't

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really respond to something Alex said instead he chooses a new road to go down

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which I found a little bit confusing and I think he's lost the thread.

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Okay.

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You talking about all that?

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And how about all those Canadian troops that have invaded the United States?

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Oh you're talking about, oh you're talking about, now wait a minute,

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what about your Canadian troops that got bombed by the speed freaks?

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We don't have any Canadian troops in your country.

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We don't even have any to protect Canada.

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That was an official story of the CDC and the Associated Press.

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They signed the deal last year to bring in foreign troops to quote deal with American terrorists.

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There are no Canadians there. We just tend to...

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Again, that's not true either.

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Hey, I suppose you think it's not true that the cable boxes have microphones and are hooked into the government?

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I suppose that's a lie to you.

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Not here they don't.

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Pardon me?

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Not here they don't.

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Oh, I'm sure they don't. Yeah, right.

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This caller was doing okay at dodging Alex's shit for a while, but I think he lost the plot now.

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He didn't get distracted by something Alex said though, which is weird.

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He distracted himself.

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Anyway, the call is basically over now.

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Alex has pimped the caller into a bunch of positions he didn't take.

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And the actual point of the call, it's been long forgotten by anybody casually listening to this show.

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Oh yeah, I have no idea what anybody's talking about at this point.

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If I hadn't have reminded it a couple times, you probably legitimately wouldn't remember why this call was happening.

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I mean, did he just start referencing the War of 1812 when Canadian soldiers burned down the White House?

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Is that what he's going with?

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No, I think he's talking about Alex's theories about foreign troops.

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Oh, Alex had a... Oh, okay.

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I think that's what he's talking about. The UN bringing in foreign troops to the country.

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Gotcha.

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Alex's audience will just hear this exchange as a time when a Canadian who thought the government was always truthful

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couldn't handle any of Alex's points and thought Alex was a socialist called in and Alex schooled him.

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And that's the goal of these debate tactics that Alex uses.

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They create the impression, if you're not paying attention, that Alex is killing it.

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And most of his listeners aren't paying attention, so they'll probably come away from that thinking like,

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oh man, he nailed that.

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Yeah, I mean, it's always an unfortunate truth that debates are, despite supposedly being about words and ideas,

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almost entirely about emotions.

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Yeah, and a lot of optics stuff.

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Yep.

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It's a large part of why I think a lot of it isn't really worth engaging in.

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It's very stupid.

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So, I thought this call was pretty much over because I felt like, well, we've completely gotten off the point at hand

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and both of them have kind of gotten confused on their own.

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Yeah.

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But also, there's some insults that need to go around.

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Well, good.

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He was right. You're just, you hate America. You're a traitor and a coward. That's what you are.

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Oh, sure I am. Oh yeah, what I'm doing is very cowardly.

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You hate your country.

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Yeah, going up against the New World Order. It's very cowardly.

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The New World Order. I've heard about the New World Order 20 years ago from Tex Mars.

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I had every one of his books. You know what I did recently? I threw them all in the trash can.

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Tex Mars wasn't writing books about the New World Order 20 years ago.

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Tex Mars was an officer in the Air Force writing military policy books.

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I have listened.

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And a space and aeronautics professor at the University of Texas.

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I listened to Tex Mars before you ever came on the air 15 years ago.

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He's a good friend of mine. He married me and my wife and I've had dinner with him and then go to his church.

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I read every one of his books and I finally decided to throw them in the trash.

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And it's all come true. And you're the coward. You're so afraid of this New World Order.

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You're just going to deny it because you can't face the horror.

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This is pretty fucked up for a number of reasons.

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The first is that Alex is saying that he goes to Tex Mars' church and that Tex performed his wedding.

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I would have thought that Tex would refuse to do that wedding since Alex's first wife was Jewish.

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And Tex is a huge anti-Semite.

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That also brings me to the big problem with Alex going to Tex's church.

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It's that Tex is a giant anti-Semite and his sermons were often really anti-Semitic.

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Alex is sort of right on a technicality though.

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And that is that Tex was writing books going back to 1983 which would be 20 years prior to this show.

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But his first book that he wrote was with his wife and it was titled, quote, a perfect name for your pet.

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Oh!

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This was not an exposé on the New World Order.

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He really should have stuck with that. That has legs.

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Four of them.

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A couple years later Tex's output would change.

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And he started releasing books with titles like Rush to Armageddon and Dark Secrets of the New Age.

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That was in 1987. So this collar is only a few years off.

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But strictly speaking Alex is right.

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I'm not necessarily bringing that up to pat Alex on the head.

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I'm pointing this out to illustrate that I think Alex knows a whole lot about Tex Mars and is a big fan of his work.

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When I say that Tex Mars was a giant anti-Semite for his whole career, I mean that.

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He was a bigot early and two of the books he released in the years before his death were titled, quote,

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DNA Science and the Jewish Bloodline and, quote, Holy Serpent of the Jews,

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the rabbi's secret plan for Satan to crush their enemies and vault the Jews to global dominion.

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Yeah, he was an anti-Semite and he was about 16 feet tall, so.

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And he was a, like, he's heavily influential in a lot of the right-wing circles in a way that a lot of them definitely will not admit nowadays.

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Alex would not talk about how influential and important Tex Mars is in 2022.

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No, I don't think many of them want to lay claim to their intellectual forebears, if you will.

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No, but in 2003 it was a little bit less problematic for Alex to be upfront about these associations,

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these, like, sort of places where his intellectual lineage comes from.

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Couldn't get kicked off Facebook at that point.

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Yeah, Tex Mars is a disgusting bigot and I appreciate how much more forthcoming Alex is about being one of his followers at this point.

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I'd get into this more deeply, but I have some thoughts about doing a larger series on Tex, so that might be something that we deal with at that point.

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Yeah.

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Also, I sure hope that Alex doesn't ever find out what Tex Mars thinks of his buddy Ron Paul, the most conservative member of Congress.

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I'm a believer in Jesus and what the Bible says. That takes priority over all things.

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You can talk about your left wing, right wing, conservative, liberal, libertarian, democrat, republican, and you can take them as far as I'm concerned,

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put them in a tow sack and throw them in hell.

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I'm going to talk today about truth and I'm going to expose the legionnaires of Sodom.

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You say, but you don't understand Ron Paul. He's for abolishing the Fed.

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He's a conservative. He's doctor.

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No, he's nothing but a bunch of panderers. He's a panderer to the homosexuals. A panderer to homosexuals.

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Eeee.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah. Tex Mars, not a fan of Ron Paul.

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That comes from a, what was the title of that sermon? Ron Paul is a...

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Take away my tax-exempt status?

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Ron Paul is a pro-homosexual pervert is the title of that sermon.

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Oh boy.

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Yeah. Tex Mars, bit of a mess.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Bit of a hater.

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In both the sense of the colloquial term and also one who hates.

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Yeah, he sure does.

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So, after the call, Alex debriefs because I think he went through something there.

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Thanks a lot for the call.

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Well, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. You're welcome to call back any time, Ed.

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And I called you one name. You called me about ten. I apologize for calling you a name. I just...

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It's hard to deal with, folks. You notice the compartmentalized thinking and mindset there. He could not focus in on key points.

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He had to just name-call and have an emotional spasm.

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That is just projection. They both called each other a bunch of names.

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Yeah.

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That definitely was not one-sided. And for the most part, it was Alex who refused to stay focused on any one topic.

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He was the one doing the shotgun blasts of a million topics and talking points, and you know what?

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I think that Alex was also the one who was acting emotionally.

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His emotional outbursts might not have been as theatrical as they are in the present day, but when this caller...

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It brought out something from Alex and it wasn't analytical.

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No.

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There was not a composed person just methodically going over the facts. That was a guy lashing out.

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But doing so using shady rhetorical tricks to make himself seem composed while doing it.

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Right. No, what happened was the guy said something and he was like,

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I'm not ready for this, so he was afraid, right?

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And then that fear led him to feeling angry, right?

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And that anger leads to hate, all right?

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And that hate...

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That's the dark side, baby.

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And the dark side is the mind killer.

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That's where you are.

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So, Alex is kind of focused on this call for a bit.

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The political process is designed to switch off your thinking process.

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The left-right paradigm is phony, and I just got called a liberal in the last hour.

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No, you didn't.

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Because I support Ron Paul, the most conservative member of Congress, against the phony wars.

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Alex is building up this way for his audience to remember and have experienced the call that doesn't match up with what the call actually was.

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And that's kind of a telltale sign that Alex recognizes that he kind of whiffed.

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Kind of dropped the ball on that one.

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Yeah, I mean, generally, there was this book that really had a lot about that.

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Because what would happen is, you know, something would happen and the government didn't want you to remember it the way that it happened.

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They wanted you to remember it the way that it should have happened.

Unknown Speaker (01:39:21.260)

I'm sorry, I was distracted there. Are you talking about Men in Black?

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I think so, yes.

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It's a real dystopian kind of tactic, if you will, if you know what I'm saying.

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Might be something that real smart people would have written about.

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So, most of the rest of this show is Alex interviewing his friend, George Humphrey, who we've talked about a bit in the past.

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He's a weirdo, but he's kind of boring.

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Not really that much. I don't even know how to describe the kind of boring he is.

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He doesn't take big swings, that's for sure.

Unknown Speaker (01:39:58.260)

Not really. No, and it's kind of just another Alex.

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Kind of like a less interesting Alex being interviewed by Alex himself.

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And I don't really care all that much, but there are a few clips of things that happen.

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And the first is how pathetically Alex has to start off the interview by complaining about that last caller.

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George, I know you can tune into the show. I know you listen quite a bit.

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Did you hear the guy in the last hour say that I'm not patriotic because I'm not for invading all these countries?

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Alex, first of all, it's good to hear your voice and it's good to talk to you this morning.

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And Alex, you and I both have been charged several times with not being patriotic.

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Oh, didn't that caller do me dirty? George, comfort me about this caller.

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George, George. Look, my dad's not here to call me a good boy, so could you please?

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He might not anyway.

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Yeah, well, he hasn't for a long time.

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Well, it's because he's psychic and he knows that I'm going to try and kill him with COVID in the future.

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There is a lot of that to be said.

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So yeah, there's an obsession with trying to do aftercare about this call and it's just bizarre.

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Tell me how right I am. Tell me how good I am. Tell me, tell me, tell me.

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So they take some calls, Alex and George, and this caller brings up something that I think Alex should say,

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you need to get help. Whatever you're imagining you're experiencing, you're not.

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I'm guessing Alex does not say that.

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No, he doesn't.

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No.

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And also, if I could make another point just real quick, I've been speaking out in my area against this whole New World Order thing

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and some things that I know because I was in the military and I've been constantly harassed because of it.

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There's been black helicopters flying around. There's people have come up to me.

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I'll just be going to the supermarket or something. They'll say, hey, you need to stop talking about this.

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We know where you're at. We know where your family's at.

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And I came home the other day and they were putting anthrax in my house, the U.S. military was,

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and they tried to say that they were just there checking on some things because people had reported that I had guns

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or something like that that I wasn't supposed to have, saying I had munitions that I wasn't supposed to have.

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And they were putting things in my house.

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Well, let me break that down. This is happening to you. This is the vast minority.

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They do this so it's talked about so it scares people. Let me break down.

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And they have been caught doing this.

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What? They have been?

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Sir, sir, please. It sounds like, outside of your mind, people are concerned about you.

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Probably.

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You know?

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Maybe you are somebody who has some military service in your past and maybe you have some illegal weapons and maybe...

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You're telling people all about Alex Jones and black helicopters flying all over your house.

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And they're telling you you need to calm down.

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Oh, boy, man.

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But, yeah, the military put anthrax in his house and everybody is gang stalking him.

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That is so, like, I mean, can you imagine if they redid, like, if Ken Kesey wrote One Flew Under the Cuckoo's Nest and Nurse Ratchet was like,

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yeah, man, all that shit you believe is real, dude. This isn't an insane asylum. They're trapped in all of us in here, man. This is fucking crazy.

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I mean, to some degree, that's kind of what Alex is doing.

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That's kind of what he's doing. Yeah.

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Like, I don't know. I feel like you have a responsibility towards folks.

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Towards helping people.

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At least some degree of it.

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And especially when it's public. Like, a private conversation, I think you still have that responsibility.

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But when it's publicly broadcast, I just think that what you're doing is modeling that it's okay for people to experience these delusions

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and not to be, like, not to recognize that people around them might be concerned about them and there might be good reason.

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No.

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It's just, it's shit. It keeps people trapped.

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It's giving a blackout drunk the gift of a gallon of whiskey and being like, hey, man, you're more fun when you drink.

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And it's just like, you're killing this person.

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Yep. So, Alex has some news also on this episode. Not about the Spain bombings, nor about Saddam's kids.

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Okay.

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But it is about some proposed amendments to the Patriot Act. And Alex is really, really excited about this.

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And there's a twist at the end of this play.

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Okay.

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We got him caught cold. He said there wasn't a Patriot Act, too. Then he had to admit it.

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Talking about Ashcroft.

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The thing's been introduced in the Senate seven months and 18 days ago, okay?

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We've been covering it since day one in January 6 when it came out.

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I wrote the definitive analysis of it. Not bragging, just fact. Please go read it at Infowars.com.

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Then check it in the bill for yourself. We have a link to below the story.

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So, here it is. We told you about secret executions. You couldn't believe it.

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Now it's been in 100 newspapers. U.S. analysis death chambers for anyone that commits any crime.

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Justice Department four weeks ago before the Congress enthusiastically said we'll use it for all crimes against misdemeanors.

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That was the head of the Justice Department policy there in the report.

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I mean, this is happening.

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We just take the time out to research this. They count on you to know all the baseball and football statistics but to not know about the facts of this.

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Just shift into this and learn this like you did football scores and you'll know about the New World Order.

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Please focus your energies into real stuff, folks.

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Here it is, and I'm not bashing sports in and of themselves, but the mindless knowing all the statistics of that and not this will destroy you and your family.

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Proposed amendments of U.S.A. Patriot Act and the following is representative Bernie Sanders' independent Vermont bill that would amend the U.S.A. Patriot Act.

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There's bills and mirror modifications and would remove section 215 and it's H.R. 1157 and it's the armed and to amend the Foreign Service Surveillance Act to exempt bookstores, libraries from orders requiring the production of any tangible things for certain foreign intelligence investigations because it's all about domestic.

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So there's that.

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It's so weird that you can ignore someone's socialism when it's convenient.

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I mean, this is just another one of those things where you're like, everybody likes Bernie. Do you know why?

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Because if you maintain good, consistent, ideological positions from start to finish and you act in accordance with those, regardless of whether or not people are lying about you, because if you do this, chances are you actually kind of are above the left-right paradigm, then everybody winds up being like, wow, that's right. Good call.

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It's so weird for Alex to constantly be going on about how socialists are the devil and left-wing people are the devil and then the person in Congress that has seemed to side with Alex's shit a bit more than anybody else is Bernie.

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Whether it's through this opposition. Exactly. Those are basic ally things that Alex should be able to recognize like, hey, this socialist seems to...

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I mean, I think the most ironic thing is that earlier on he's talking to a Canadian and he's assuming that the Canadian is calling him a socialist because he's against the war and then later he references that one thing he's for is a socialist senator who is against the Patriot Act.

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So it's kind of like, you know, if the shoe fits. I was going to go with dumb. Oh, well, there's definitely that.

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So speaking of dumb, we have one last clip here, and I mean, it just sort of fits another bit of a little bit of a pattern on this episode, and that is dumb predictions.

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Now, while Bush's approval ratings were up to about 84%, they have been coming down.

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They hit the all-time high of 95%. Yeah, and I think they're at about 58% right now.

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Actually, in their mainstream polls, overall, he's at 53. A lot of polls show 45.

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So whatever the number is, but as soon as the number gets down below the magical number of 45% is that they are going to start initiating, and they've already got this planned, is I do not think that they will do...

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I think that there is going to be some sort of what is called an NBC, nuclear, biological, or chemical attack to create fear.

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Trump has said Dallas, Cleveland, Denver will be hit. Yeah, and the fact is that these people operate off the fear of the American people.

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And it would be so easy for them, and I think that they will wait until the end of this year or early next year to institute another event.

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It didn't happen. And go fuck yourself with this, they operate off fear. I mean, come on, man. You do.

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The constant obsession and preoccupation with this imminent, fake, catastrophic attack.

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Everyone's about to die. Everyone's about to die all the time.

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But also, it's not like they're going to blow up a building, it's a nuke, or a biological attack of smallpox getting released.

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Yeah, you're not going to get hurt, you're going to choke to death in gas. And everyone will. Everyone you know will.

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Yeah, this is fear run rough shot, is the way that they operate, and you see it constantly. It's offensive.

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Yeah, and there's so many people that you really do, like, oh, you actually do believe that, but not because it's true, it's because that's the only way you think.

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You can't imagine somebody operating in any other facet, because that's the way you operate.

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So if you operate that way, and you're the smartest person in the world, obviously, then clearly your enemy must operate that way, because if they're smart, then that's the way you do it.

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It can't be that I'm a big dum-dum, manipulating and exploiting people, and in fact, hurting the people.

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It's that they're dumb, and exploiting people, and they think you're dumb.

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Exactly.

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Anyway, I think there's a lot of projection, which again, it's the exact same thing that Alex did in the aftermath of that fateful call from Canada, projecting all of his own deficiencies and bad behaviors onto the caller, although the caller was guilty of a few of them.

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Yeah. I don't know. I found that to be a really rewarding thing to hear, Alex's call. Some of those are fun. I don't think you're able to get those in the present day anymore.

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No.

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That's why it's kind of nice to dig for a little bit of gold like that, even though you've got to sit through hours of nothing to get there.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, I think this breakie in the past was earned by Alex's present day behavior.

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Zero transphobia.

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Uh-huh.

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Ah, that's a good sign.

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Not even on his mind in 2003.

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No, I know. I mean, of course it's there undercurrent, but he doesn't have to say it.

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Well, I mean, much like Saddam's sons being killed, he's probably not aware that trans people exist.

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Exactly.

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Because he hasn't been told to be mad about it yet.

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Right. Ain't that the truth.

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Right. There's so much that should, in theory, be long-standing things that he-

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I mean, he says they are.

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Right. Whether it's Klaus Schwab or Fauci or-

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Gates.

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Right. And there's so much of that, whether it's people who are supposed to be villains or cultural issues that he's decided are staging fronts of the culture war.

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It's all just- it doesn't matter. That stuff doesn't exist here. He's mad about neo-cons.

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I mean, he is right, though. I do remember that in 2003, the Cubs went to the playoffs that year.

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They didn't make it all the way to the World Series.

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Go, Cubs, go.

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That was the National Championship Series. That was a good one.

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Hey, Chicago, what do you say?

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It's a good team.

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Cubs are gone. I'll win two times.

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Moise Salud.

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Go, Cubs, go.

Unknown Speaker (01:51:54.260)

You know, he used to pee on his hands.

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Ugh.

Unknown Speaker (01:51:56.260)

Yeah. Made him stronger. That's what- Moise Salud did.

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He didn't wear batting gloves.

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Why isn't Alex covering this?

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I don't know. It's a huge story in 2003 at the time.

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It seems like a scandal. There's hand pisser.

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He's out there trying to give himself superpowers by pissing on his hands.

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Son of a bitch.

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Alex talks about pissing all the time. You'd think that would be- anyway, maybe on our next episode we'll find talking about Moise Salud and his piss games.

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Could be. Wouldn't that be fun?

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Would be. Anyway, we may stay in the past. I'm not sure. I don't know.

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Huh?

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I haven't decided yet.

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We'll find out what the future is.

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If I want to talk about the present day. I don't know. We'll see. Anyway, we'll be back and we'll find out. But until then, we have a website.

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We do. It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yup. We are also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight. Nat, go to bed Jordan.

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Yup. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm Dr. Marbles.

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And now, here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.

Unknown Speaker (01:52:55.260)

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

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I love you.