Transcript/658: It's Pretty Easy Being Greene

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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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I have great respect for knowledgefight, knowledgefight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys, knowledgefight.

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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding me.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledgefight.com.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a

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little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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I have a quick question for you sir.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot?

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My bright spot is, I was going around on the Infowars website.

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Maybe it was band.video, I believe it was the band.video.

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And periodically you'll see some fun advertisements on there.

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And there's a new one which will post a picture of this ad on our Twitter, but it's a picture

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of Alex doing the Uncle Sam, kind of like pointing at the camera, and says, do you need

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tax relief?

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Is it the number one tax planning and tax relief recommended by Alex Jones?

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I saw that and I was just like, this is so great, half of his career has been talking

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about how the 16th amendment doesn't exist, it wasn't ratified.

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I can't be happier with Infowars branded compliance.

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I think that's what I really hear about.

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I wonder if this is like Erwin Schiff, if he's running this tax relief hotline.

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Maybe it's Joe Bannister, or Red Beckman, or these other fucking old school weirdos.

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I mean it's at the point now where it's like, have you had a personal injury?

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Infowars says go to, you know?

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We're there.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But that is actually like, I would find that more acceptable, because they haven't, like

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Alex hasn't spent most of his career railing against the legitimacy of personal injury

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suits or something.

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He shouldn't believe that anyone should pay taxes, why are you having a tax settlement

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person?

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That is very funny.

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This is nonsense.

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Oh god.

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Anyway, what's your bright spot?

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My bright spot, Dan, is baseball, it's going to happen, it's going to do it.

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They're going to have the baseball, they're going to do it, no they agreed.

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They agreed today to have the baseballs, they're going to play a full 162 game season.

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I didn't even know there was a problem with baseball.

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Yeah, it wasn't going to happen.

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Oh.

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It has not been happening for almost a hundred days.

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Isn't that the off season though?

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Yeah, but even during the off season you still do stuff.

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Oh sure, you just have like the...

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You throw the ball around.

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Sure, the camps.

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Yeah, you do the whole thing.

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None of it.

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Nobody got paid, nothing, it was brutal.

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Shit.

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All because the owners were like, what if, and I'm going to throw this out there, we

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could negotiate with the union, or what if we broke the union beneath our heels and smashed

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their teeth to grind up into powder so we can power our fucking penis pills.

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That seems like something they'd be more interested in.

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Yeah, they tried that.

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Yeah.

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And they almost did it.

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So I hear a lot of talk about the Rickets.

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Yeah, they can...

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Are they in the mix?

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Oh man, I hate them so much.

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Were they in play?

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Yes, they were in play.

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Oh, bastards.

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Yeah.

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Never heard anybody say like, you know, it was great, the Rickets.

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Nobody ever in the history of the world has been like, oh, thank God the Rickets are here.

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Ever.

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Ever.

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They're evil.

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They're like evil.

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Yeah, it's like the reverse of that weatherman.

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Tom, what's his name?

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Tom Skilling?

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Yeah.

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Weatherman Skilling.

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Never heard anybody say negative things about him.

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Yeah.

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Everybody says everything negative about the Rickets.

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The Rickets aren't showing up in a Serengeti song positively.

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That shit ain't happening.

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So yeah, if you're outside of Chicago, some of this might not make sense to you.

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This might be difficult to impenetrable, but that's great.

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Well, congratulations on getting your baseball.

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Yeah, I'm very happy.

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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

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We're going to be jumping around a little bit throughout time.

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And the reason that we're going to be doing that is because we...

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This episode was authored by Kurt Vonnegut.

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Exactly.

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Yes.

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It's the spiritual sequel to Momentum.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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We'll be doing this backwards.

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Info Wars House 5.

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So there's something that's been going on, and that is that Marjorie Taylor Greene's

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been making more appearances on Info Wars.

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And I believe this to be a bit troubling.

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I mean, you know, where else would you find a shrinking harpy?

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There's probably some other places, but- Greek myth.

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Well, that's not so much a media outlet now, is it?

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Well, that's fair.

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So yeah, we're going to be talking a little bit about that.

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But before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

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That's a great idea.

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So first, Reese Roper's Blue Comb.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next, Sous Chef for the Demon Feast and his Screaming Demon Companion.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next, My Wife Thinks It's Weird.

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I Listen to You and I Kind of Do Too.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next, the intro sounds way more badass if you speed it up.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Don't you fuck with DJ Danarkey.

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I'm telling you.

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Not smart.

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But also thank you very much.

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I hear from some people that they speed up and listen to the podcast and like, look,

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there's something about timing, you know, like it is, it is an element of something

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and you really kind of- As comedians, it is kind of an important thing

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that we care about.

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There's a part of it that's almost unfathomable to me, the experience of listening to something

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at double speed.

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Yeah.

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I guess if you like doing that, do your thing.

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Good luck.

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Next, number one, Knowledge on Bastards fan.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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And we have Technocrat in the mix.

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So thank you so much to infoflaws.com.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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I have risen above my enemies.

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I might quit tomorrow, actually.

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I'm just going to take a little breaky now.

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A little breaky for me, and then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show

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over.

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But I'm the devil.

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I got to be taken over here.

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I've been all this blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your new world

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order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.

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Maybe today should be my last broadcast.

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Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.

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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.

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That's really what I want to do.

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I never want to come back here again.

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I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns

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on air.

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I'll be better tomorrow.

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He's not.

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Oh shit.

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And this covers a stretch of time.

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He's bad throughout all of it.

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He's bad, yeah.

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All tomorrows are bad.

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So there's something happening around infoflaws, like I said, that's definitely a cause for

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concern and it needs to be noted.

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To be fair, there's a lot of stuff.

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Yeah, well, yeah.

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But there's this trend that needs, we need to pay more attention to it.

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It's the relationship that's growing between info wars and Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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They're becoming a bit more entrenched than you might have expected the case to be or

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could have predicted.

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Greene appeared on Alex's February 2nd show and we discussed that appearance, but what

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we've not yet touched on is how it's been followed up by a ton of further interaction.

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The whole Putin invading Ukraine thing definitely seemed like a more relevant topic to cover,

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but now that Alex has kind of settled into his very transparent status quo of defending

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Putin while pretending he's just looking at all sides, we have an opportunity to go back

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and fill in some of the gaps from things that we missed along the way.

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On her initial appearance, Alex mentioned that he was excited to meet Marjorie in person,

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and as it turned out, he didn't have to wait all that long, as she ended up making her

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first in-studio appearance on February 20th, which is where we're going to begin our episode

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today.

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Greene doesn't show up until the second hour of this Sunday episode, but if you take the

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time to listen to the beginning of it, you'll notice that Alex's top story is not one that

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looks great in hindsight.

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So this is the kind of brazen liar that Alex is.

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He's specifically casting doubt on assessments that Russia was going to invade Ukraine on

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his February 20th show mere days before the invasion actually happens.

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That on its own probably isn't that bad.

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I think a lot of people would have said similar things.

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But the problem is that as soon as the invasion happened, just a few days after this, he decides

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to put together a compilation of dumb clips he's pretending prove that he predicted the

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invasion back in August 2021.

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This is central to one of Alex's deception games, and understanding clips like this is

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key to getting what's going on.

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On February 20th, Alex was probably aware that he'd made a prediction that there would

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be war by February, or at least he's aware that he'd been yelling about war being imminent

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for a while, but he also knew that he'd been saying that it was going to be a war with

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China.

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So if there's news coming out about the possibility of Russia being involved in a war, that's

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not what Alex is looking for.

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It's not good for the brand.

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No.

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Alex loves Putin and hates the United States government, so if an agency within the US

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government is saying that Putin is going to invade Ukraine, of course that's not true,

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and Alex's supposed prediction isn't even a factor.

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It doesn't come into his mind.

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But then, once the actual invasion happens, there's a change in the calculation.

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The prediction of war with China didn't materialize, but this invasion is close enough for him

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to use, so Alex pretends that this is what he was talking about the whole time.

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We heard how in his compilation he used a clip from last November where he had to edit

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out the part where he said that he didn't think Russia was going to invade Ukraine,

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and here you see that same mentality still in place on February 20th.

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At the core of things, Alex is just a monster.

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He legitimately is willing to say whatever feels good to him in the moment, and he's

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more than willing to lie about the world and his past positions in terms of very serious

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topics, even including the invasion of a country, if there's a chance that doing so will increase

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his status and make him a few bucks.

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Right.

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Because he sucks.

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Right, right, right.

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It is important to remember the noble truths.

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Life is suffering.

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That's a really important one.

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What people forgot, and what Gautama wasn't even really thinking about, which was his

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mistake, was that if life is suffering, you should therefore be able to make money off

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it because there's nothing you can do, baby.

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Come on.

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Smoke him if you got him.

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Smoke him if you got him, baby.

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Gautama Buddha.

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Also, if there's one problem with Gautama's conception, it's the idea that when you die,

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you just play a harp.

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I was so mad whenever I read that.

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Yeah.

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So, like I mentioned, we're going to talk about Marjorie Taylor Greene's appearance

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here on the show.

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Of course.

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And I want to give a little bit of content warning that generally goes over, I would

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say, a lot of this episode.

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It's going to pop in and out.

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It's not the sole topic that's going to be covered, but there's a great deal of transphobia

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that's going to be emanating from Alex and Marjorie Taylor Greene, and I hope that we

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can discuss this in the sensitivity that is appropriate, and if it's something that you

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find objectionable, you might want to tune in on Monday because there may be some stuff

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that's not so great.

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I've tried to not put anything in that's just gross for the sake of it being gross, but

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some things are unavoidable.

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So Alex starts to introduce Marjorie and he gives his normal spiel about how like, I don't

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care about celebrities.

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Hang on, he doesn't even give a shit.

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Nah.

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Well, I can care less about Hollywood stars, I can care less about politicians, I can care

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less about anybody but my family and other hard-charging patriots that love liberty,

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but I get some butterflies and excited and was pacing up and down before she got here

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because I am extremely excited to have MTG Marjorie Taylor Greene from Georgia's 14th

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district with us right now because out of all the great people, there's quite a few

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good people in Congress, quite a few bad ones.

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I got to say, she's probably my favorite.

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There's a few good ones up there, but I tell you, she is just the most genuine and she's

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the most popular of anybody that got elected in the last round, but the system's coming

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after her big time.

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This is so funny, like Rand Paul is the son of anti-communist royalty and Alex's favorite

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politician of all time, who would actually come on Alex's dumb show and the second someone

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like Marjorie Taylor Greene gives him a second of attention, it's all like Rand who?

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I mean, yeah, that's very sad.

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This is indicative of the slide that's happened on Alex's show over the years.

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There was at least once at one point the pretense of being above principle on the issues, whereas

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now it's all just attempts to hijack people's attention, do some trolling and then talk

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about meme shit.

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Alex used to at least pretend to discuss documents.

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Now half of the time he's reporting on tweets or substack posts that people write that don't

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mean anything.

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Alex used to have guests who had an air of seriousness around them, whether or not they

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actually were, but people like Webster Tarpley or G. Edward Griffin.

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But it wasn't so long ago that they were replaced by people like Carpe Donkdom and Mike Cernovich.

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Alex never really had any true depth to the stuff he was saying and covering, but in his

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earlier career there was at least an expectation that he pretend.

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At this point the cultural landscape has changed enough that there's no real point in even

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pretending and now it's good enough just to do the troll shit and pretend that that is

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itself substance.

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Well, I mean, you can say that it's gone downhill or you could say that it's the modern Algonquin

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Round Table.

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Sure.

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So, I mean, there are luminaries in their individual fields.

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Dorothy Parker, she is not.

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That's true.

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Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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That's fair.

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Anyway, that brings us to Marjorie Taylor Greene popping onto the show.

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She is fairly popular, which combined with her clearly extreme right wing politics is

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the only reason that Alex has any interest in her.

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That and she's actually desperate enough for attention that she's willing to be on InfoWars.

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There's a pretty good chance that she's going to retake her seat in the 2022 midterm election,

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but from a lot of what I can tell that just has to do with the inherent advantage of incumbency.

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She's a really fucked up person who's willing to give speeches at Nick Fuentes' political

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conference and make regular appearances on InfoWars, which puts her in the position of

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being someone with a bit of a constituency ceiling.

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While it is true that the GOP has drifted closer to her brand of insanity in the past

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years, she still has a real vulnerability in terms of a potential GOP primary if she's

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ever up against a really strong candidate who doesn't pal around with Nazis and washed

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up liars who terrorize the families of murdered children.

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Right.

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Or if she's up against like the Grand Dragon of the KKK.

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You know, like she can go, it can go way too far.

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It could go worse.

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It could go way further worse and everybody's like, wow, why are we even bothered with her?

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This is the Grand Dragon.

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I actually, I think you're wrong.

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If the Grand Dragon of the KKK was in the GOP primary against her, a third person would

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win because they would split the vote.

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They would split the racist vote?

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Yes.

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There would be the misogynist racist vote and the non-misogynist racist vote.

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They would split the vote that is under her constituency ceiling.

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Right.

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That would be a problem because then the third GOP candidate would probably just get everyone

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else.

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Yeah.

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And that would be the Grand Wizard.

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There's two.

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Oh, there's the Grand Dragon.

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They're all in there, man.

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I see.

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The KKK is nuts.

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I see.

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So Marjorie enters the proceedings.

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And I wanted to talk to her about the tipping point and the global awakening and the elites

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against the people.

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And I said, what do you want to cover first right before we went live?

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And she said the first thing on my list and my list was in this folder, she hadn't seen

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it.

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So we are definitely synced up right now.

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So MTG, it's great to have you in Austin, Texas.

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It's amazing to have you in studio.

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Thank you so much.

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And I'm so happy to be here with you, Alex.

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I think this is the some of the most fun type of interviews I can do.

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So I'm so happy that I'm here.

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It is an exciting interview for her because she can just talk shit and speak freely.

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Other interviewers would probably push back on completely insane things, you might say,

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but Alex is just let that shit slide and then try and outdo her.

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Bigotry is on the table.

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Stupid conspiracy theories are treated like serious concerns.

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It's much more fun than being on CNN for someone who's a bigot and really loves stupid conspiracy

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theories.

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Yeah.

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You don't have to hold back.

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You don't have to hide.

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Nobody's going to be like, hey, why do you think it's okay to sacrifice children to Cthulhu?

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And you'll be like, look, look, look, I never said that.

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I only spoke at the Cthulhu positive conference because I didn't know.

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Right.

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So anything really that you say that's negative or problematic, it's like you're already on

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info wars.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What?

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What?

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Yeah.

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What are you going to say?

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It's anyway.

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Marjorie Taylor Greene went to Congress not too long ago and you might be surprised to

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learn that she was surprised about some things.

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Oh yeah.

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Well, I tell you for me, what I see and I'm just a regular person, I've never been in

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politics before and going to Washington, the most disturbing thing that I have found is

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that the people in Washington, it's like a little bubble and it's this tiny little world.

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And it's, if you really look at it, it's a small percentage of people, but they truly

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look down on the rest of America and they think that everything they think in their

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little bubble and what they want for our country is the most important thing.

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But they look down on the common American man and woman and they just don't care.

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They're so disconnected.

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Wow.

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That's really profound how the thing that Marjorie learned when she went to Washington

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is literally the most obvious complaint that everyone has about Washington.

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I can't think of any complaint more obvious than they're not in touch with the working

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man.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Insightful.

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You got us.

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But you know, if she's so unlike these cloistered Washington bubble beings, then you would think

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that her legislative history would be full of all kinds of important bills that really

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help the people who she represents.

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Totally.

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That's what it's about.

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It could be a bunch of shit that's essentially just playing Washington politics games and

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appealing to right wing media entities.

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I was going to put, uh, pull this up here, you know, see, see, it looks like she's introduced

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18 bills in the time that she's been in office and two were about expelling Maxine Waters

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from the house and her committee assignments.

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Oh shit.

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How did that go?

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Well, it didn't go well, but this was back in April, 2021.

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So this is when the right wing media was all up in arms about Waters saying that people

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should stay in the street and protest through the Chauvin trial.

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Right.

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This is definitely something that's super relevant to the constituents in Georgia's

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14th.

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Whether or not a Congress person from California keeps her committee assignments.

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That's definitely not just a desperate ploy to ride the wave of right wing media attention

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and get a little bit of it for yourself.

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And like I mentioned, both of them died in committee.

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Yeah.

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Oh, look at this.

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She also introduced four bills trying to impeach Joe Biden.

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Oh, how did those go?

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Uh, you know, they didn't go well.

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Shit.

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I guess it's a little more relevant to Georgia voters since Georgia is in the United States.

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That's true.

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This seems like it's a little much.

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Maybe.

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Looks like she also introduced a number of bills are obviously going to die in committee,

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but had names that were just perfect for folks in the right wing media to cover stuff like

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the we will not comply act or the fire Fauci act.

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You can't write a law that that's called.

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We will not comply otherwise I have to resist that law.

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I can't look at this in November.

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She introduced a bill H R six zero seven zero, which was known as the Kyle H written house

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congressional gold medal act.

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She wanted to give written house a congressional gold medal.

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You know, that thing that's been awarded to people like Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandela and

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Jonas Salk.

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This seems like something that if I were just a regular person living in Rome or Calhoun

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or Dalton, Georgia, I'd be pretty interested in my representative taking the time to do

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that stuff.

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Right.

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Fight my battles for me.

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It is like the people in Washington are just disconnected and all they want to do is give

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gold medals to murderers, you know, and it's like, I know people think that the, that Washington's

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working for them, but I swear to you, all they want to do is give gold medals to murderers.

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All they want to do is do stuff that's red meat for the right wing media.

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They just love it.

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It's a fine criticism of Congress to say that Congress members are often too in their own

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world and in a bubble, but the reality is that Marjorie Taylor green is in a bubble

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too.

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It's a way worse bubble.

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It's a bubble where the mechanisms of government really only exist in order to create opportunities

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to bring yourself more media attention and thus strengthen your own brand.

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It's essentially all Marjorie has been doing since she's gotten to office, introducing

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these meaningless bills that are red meat for extreme right wing media, going on tour

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with Matt Gaetz, speaking at Nick Fuentes' event and now showing up on Alex's show more

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than once.

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The normal congressional person's bubble may be an issue because it does keep them a bit

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detached from the larger world, but Marjorie Taylor green's bubble essentially only has

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room in it for herself, which is a big, big problem.

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Yeah.

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She's in a bubble that's created by delirium from the Sandman comics.

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We have to go downright mythical to get to the level of weird ass bubble she's in.

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I got really lost there because I thought you were saying that reading the Sandman comics

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gives one delirium.

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No.

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No, no, no.

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Delirium had the endless.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They don't care about Washington.

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They don't care about important things like bastards, Canadian truck, Canadian, so disconnected.

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That's why all they want is like war in Ukraine instead of even thinking about truckers who

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deliver food and supplies.

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They don't even care about kids wearing masks.

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They don't care about our border with fentanyl pouring across, killing young people and being

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the number one cause of death, not COVID-19.

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And it just bothers me so much.

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They treat me as if I'm some kind of crazy person or like I have three horns coming out

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of my head.

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You got it.

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I feel like people who, the guy you're talking to is the one who talks about people having

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horns coming out of their head, being demons and such.

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This is just a string of words that are meant to appeal to a far right base, but ultimately

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what Green is saying makes no sense.

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Like what's the relationship between any of these thoughts?

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You can see that there isn't any because right wing media training is essentially just go

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out there and list off as many grievances as you can, something will stick.

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Cram it into the sentence.

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It doesn't matter what your sentence is about.

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Cram a little aside in there that's like, and Democrats kill everybody.

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So then you go to get to gas prices, Democrats murder everybody in the face and gas is up

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by five cents.

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It's kind of like a poorly executed debate strategy where you have to make a bunch of

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points as quick as you can.

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But it's just done.

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This is done.

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It's awful.

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Fentanyl is absolutely not the number one cause of death in the country.

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Even with COVID that honor still goes to heart disease with cancer coming in second.

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In 2020 700,000 people died from heart disease.

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Yeah, it's really bad.

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What she means is that Fentanyl is the number one cause of death of Americans aged 18 to

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45, which is a problem, but ultimately she doesn't have a solution other than yelling

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about China or the border or something.

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If she wanted to make a concrete difference in this area, she would support safe access

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to drug sampling and test strips so people can know if the drugs that they're using contain

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Fentanyl.

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This would be ultimately unacceptable to someone like Marjorie though because it would be tacitly

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accepting the reality that some people do drugs and you can't have that.

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It's the same thing with like safe needle programs and the right wing opposition to

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that shit.

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I'm telling you.

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Okay.

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So you think this is, you think this is a bad idea, but we've never tried to limit the

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supply of drugs coming in.

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See, because if you limit the supply, then people won't get it.

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So all you have to do is close up those borders and there's no way that drugs will find their

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way into this country.

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It's just like whenever we prohibited alcohol and nobody got alcohol into this country.

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Not one time.

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It totally worked.

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It was a 100% effective scam and I don't know why anybody stopped it.

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Terrible idea.

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Oof.

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Alex, Alex, you recall from Alex's shirt of the presidents, one of the things that was

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glaring in it was that for some reason Teddy Roosevelt had a nondescript or a non-random

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bland face.

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Right.

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He just had a fun mustache and a hat.

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He had his own caricature, although he was in the wrong place in the order.

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It was definitely supposed to be Teddy.

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It was supposed to be.

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And it's because of Alex's favorite speech, the man in the arena speech.

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And so now Alex bestows the highest honor upon Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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He calls her a woman.

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Don't do that.

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What was the journey running like for Congress and winning by record numbers and being demonized

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and attacked being the woman in the arena that Teddy Roosevelt talked about?

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What has that process been like?

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Because it seems like in the last three years it's made you stronger, not weaker.

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So Roosevelt's speech was about the man in the arena and it's very specifically not about

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the woman in the arena.

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When Teddy Roosevelt was president, a woman wouldn't have been allowed into the arena

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literally or metaphorically.

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Teddy Roosevelt was president from 1901 to 1909 and women didn't have the right to vote

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until 1920, the ratification of the 19th amendment.

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The first woman was elected to Congress in 1916 and Rebecca Felton was the first woman

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in the Senate in 1922, but she was appointed to fill a vacancy and only serve for one day

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because she was installed as a PR move on the part of the governor who was running in

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the upcoming Senate election and didn't want to appoint somebody to fill the vacancy that

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he might lose against.

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Also unfortunately Felton was a devout white supremacist and she's remembered as the last

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slave owner to be in the Senate, so that sucks.

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Yep.

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I set out to talk about one depressing thing and it turns out we found another.

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Well, I'm telling you, I'm starting to think that if you go back into America's history

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you're gonna find a lot of ugly shit.

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So in fairness, Teddy Roosevelt would come out in favor of women's suffrage in 1912,

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but the speech that Alex is referring to is from 1910.

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So it's a little incongruous.

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Anyway, you know, there's some deep, deep lessons that you learn when you go into Congress.

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And Marjorie has the opposite of those.

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When I got there, this is what they told me, Marjorie, that's not how we do things.

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You see, they wanted me to come there.

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They want all the new members of Congress to come and learn.

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So talk about that.

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Talk about social.

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I mean, how did it happen?

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Kind of pull you aside, take you to lunch.

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What happens?

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Well, it just comes gradually from different people.

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And so they have their committees, everything set up on committees.

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And what you have to do is you have to vote the way the chairman or the leaders of the

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committees want you to vote.

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And that's how you're being a team player.

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And that's how you're doing the right thing.

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And if you're not doing that, then they want to minimize you.

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They want to punish you.

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They want to push you out.

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They do not want your bills or your voice to be, you know.

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So you're saying it's not just the Democrats doing this, it's just the Republicans.

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Oh, a thousand percent.

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Alex and Marjorie legitimately sound like children having this conversation.

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Wild.

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Like, are they really surprised that political parties have a vested interest in corralling

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the votes of elected representatives within their parties?

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I started a new job and this guy, this guy, he was like, you have to do what I say.

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What?

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Well, I mean, it's a little bit less direct than the boss, but it's a coalition.

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Right.

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Is it really something that they're going to present as a conspiracy here that political

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parties derive their power from being able to vote as a block and that that's essentially

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how the democracy works?

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Wild.

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Honestly, this is painful to listen to, not only because it's stupid, but because it reveals

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a shocking level of disdain that Alex and Marjorie have for the people who are listening

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to them.

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What Marjorie is describing is it's not strong arm tactics or some kind of a weird conspiracy

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within Washington.

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It's caucusing.

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Marjorie's actual complaint is that she didn't have the political capital to dictate the

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direction of the party in her first term in office.

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It's really an expression of narcissism and entitlement being disguised as some kind of

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complaint about party politics.

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If she has a problem with the GOP, she's more than welcome to leave the party and become

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an independent and then she won't have to get all the shit that she might get if she

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doesn't want to vote with the party on some important vote.

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She can't do that, though, because the GOP has a very powerful fundraising machine and

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without that R next to her name, she'd be essentially fucked in any election in her

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district, especially if that fundraising machine were to go behind one of her opponents.

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What you hear Marjorie expressing here is essentially impotence because she doesn't

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understand how to make things work in government and she's not willing to figure it out.

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Why would you when doing this kind of bullshit and doing media spectacles is clearly more

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profitable for you than governing?

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Yeah, totally.

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Governing is hard.

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Yeah.

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Using your power and your elected influence to make money for yourself is astonishingly

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easy.

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It is.

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I mean, she's already made a shit ton of money in the stock market just because she knows

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shit that she's not supposed to.

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I don't know that to be true, but I'll take your word for it.

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Yeah, man.

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They all do.

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It's all fucking corrupt.

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Well, I was looking at her primary race in Georgia and the discrepancy between her fundraising

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and her next closest opponent.

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Big gap.

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Little different?

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Big gap.

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Yeah, weird.

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Weird.

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Weird, weird, weird.

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It's almost like there's a correlation between how much money you have and then how likely

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you are to win.

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Well, and also being a part of the political party lends you a little bit more credibility

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and such within the fundraising apparatus.

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No, and you can hear-

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You have a lot more resources.

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You can hear her literally being like ignoring the fact that, yes, that's why you're part

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of the Republican party and just being like, nah, I shouldn't have to make trade-offs.

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I should get everything I want.

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I want your money.

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I want your power.

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I want your influence and I want to do whatever the fuck.

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I want to do and you not to question me.

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I want to be able to reject whatever you bring to the table that I don't want and I want

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to be able to insist that you back up everything I want to do and all right, fine.

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That is an adult.

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Great.

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I mean, if that's really how you model or that's what you want government to be, great.

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It's counterproductive.

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It's stupid, but obviously you wouldn't present it that way.

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You present it the way she is because otherwise you sound like an idiot.

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Otherwise you sound like a child.

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Yes.

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Who needs to fucking take a civics class?

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I don't know.

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I want to be a person in charge.

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Right.

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Anything to not be forced to accept publicly the rampant narcissism that's behind your

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beliefs.

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Yup.

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So there's an interesting question that comes up from Alex and that is, hey, hey, Marjorie,

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who's more evil?

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Or Mitch McConnell.

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Ooh.

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What do you think?

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What do you think?

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Dangerous.

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Yeah.

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That's such a difficult question for Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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So who's more evil?

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Somebody like AOC that's an admitted communist that flies first class and wears $8,000 outfits,

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but says a hardworking mom or dad, uh, you know, running a business, making $50,000 a

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year is greedy.

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Is she bad because she admits she's evil.

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She admits she's out in the open or is somebody like Mitch McConnell more evil because he

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claims he's with us, but he makes sure that that power structure stays in place.

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Well, there's a big comparison there.

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I would say AOC is definitely anti-American.

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She's against our American ways.

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She's a communist.

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She's honestly about it.

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She's honest about it though.

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She'll tell you.

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Whereas Mitch McConnell, he lies to your face.

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He says he's a Republican.

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He's the leader in the Senate of the Republican party, but he's married to Elaine Chao and

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they are fully bought and paid for by China.

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On record.

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Whoa.

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Wow.

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So first of all, AOC isn't a communist.

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Nope.

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Second, this is a really interesting thing for Marjorie to be doing because in some ways

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this kind of behavior is only really going to drive a further wedge between her and the

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party.

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She seems so frustrated that she isn't in control of that kind of seems counterproductive

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because as grim as things may seem, the odds of enough completely insane people like her

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getting voted into the house to make a coalition that she could, you know, use to get sway.

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It's kind of low.

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And the odds of them being able to actually work together also incredibly low.

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Yeah.

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They'd call it the CCC, the crazy coup coalition.

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And then you'd be like, wait a second, that could be KKK.

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And then you're like, oh, I get it.

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And then they're just trolling you to say that and then they make a million dollars.

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Jesus Christ, I want to die.

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So in 2021, Green tried to start the America First caucus, but was only able to bring in

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Paul Gosar, Matt Gaetz and Louie Gohmert.

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Immediately after announcing the faction, the GOP leadership expressed their strong

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disapproval of it and the group disbanded, most likely because people like Louie Gohmert

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knows where his bread is buttered and having a group that's just Paul Gosar, Matt Gaetz

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and Marjorie is a little too obvious what they're actually for.

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Yeah.

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And maybe you don't want to sign up for that.

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Well.

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Speaking of making things too obvious, on their policy platform statement, the America

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First caucus had a section about immigration that's a little bit too on the nose.

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They kept referring to people as, quote, post 1965 immigrants, which is a dog whistle to

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white nationalists who believe that the Hart-Celler Act passed in 1965 was a nefarious plot to

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diminish the white population in the country by stealthily bringing in non-white immigrants.

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I mean, just really putting those specifics down on paper for people to see.

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Yeah.

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People like Marjorie have big ideas, but unfortunately at their core, they're hateful bigots and

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so their big ideas only really attract other bigots and cast-offs and they can't really

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help but wink to their bigot audience and their statements and beliefs.

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And then when the whole thing doesn't work, naturally, Marjorie pretends that she had

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no idea about that policy position paper.

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She took her shot and failed because the accumulation of political power when you want to work within

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and without the established party hierarchy is complicated.

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It takes precision tools and she's just a jackhammer, so she'll just end up destroying

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anything she tries to create outside of publicity stunts.

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Those, you don't need a soft touch for.

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You need to yell and she could do that fine.

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It's not hard.

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No, it's not.

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So as for Elaine Chao, Mitch McConnell's wife, I'm not sure if she and Mitch are on the Chinese

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payroll and I don't know how much of that is being said by Marjorie just because Chao

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is Chinese.

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100%.

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Yeah, I suspect that too.

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In reality, Chao's family owns a shipping company that does business in China called

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Foremost Group.

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Though she's not formally connected to the company, they stood to gain from foreign policy

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decisions that Trump could make and let's not forget that Trump named Chao his Secretary

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of Transportation.

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That seems almost...

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Yeah, but you don't want to touch that part of it because then it looks bad for Trump.

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It looks bad for everybody, doesn't it?

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Right.

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So this seems like a case of racism intersecting with some good old fashioned corruption and

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it's being depicted as proof that someone is a spy for China.

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Let's pretend that Elaine Chao actually is a Chinese spy.

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That'd make Trump look like a real idiot for making her part of his cabinet.

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Sure would.

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Let's not unpack that though because this isn't a real accusation.

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It's mostly just racism.

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Yep.

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It's easy to be racist and fuck, Mitch McConnell doesn't care.

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Probably not.

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McConnell's...

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What are you talking about?

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McConnell like McConnell cares.

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He's the orchestrator of some of the most racist shit in the world.

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So look, but the reality is though that Marjorie, she believes in the people much like Dusty

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Rhodes.

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The people drive me.

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I don't like that.

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I don't like that I said that.

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You know, sometimes I wonder, is it too late?

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But I don't think so.

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I still hold onto hope constantly because I do believe in the American people.

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I think the American...

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I mean, I believe in you.

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I know you're for real.

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I know your voting record's amazing.

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So we'll get to Green's voting record, but I wanted to bring up something that I didn't

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realize until I was poking around about Marjorie for this episode.

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Did you know that between May 2021 and January 2022, Marjorie was fined at least 34 times

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for not wearing a mask in the House chamber?

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I knew she was fined a shit ton.

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Did not know it was that many times.

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She's believed to have been fined at least $78,000 for not wearing a mask over the course

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of about seven months.

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That's approximately three times the per capita annual income for people in her home district,

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Georgia's 14th.

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Yeah.

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What an amazingly childish asshole.

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Hey, luckily the good news is either one, no one will ever come to collect it, or two,

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it will come out of the taxpayer's money, Dan.

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The second one, 100% true.

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Yep.

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Also, gun to his head, Alex couldn't come up with a single vote, Marjorie has cast.

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He has no idea what her record is like outside of her record of making inflammatory public

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statements, and he likes those.

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Do you remember that time she voted yes?

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I remember that one.

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Sure.

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I was going over her record, and there are a couple of interesting points that come up.

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The first is that she did vote against the GOP's position in her time in Congress so

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far 24.2% of the time, making her the third most frequent person in the House going against

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their party.

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Of course.

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That makes some sense though, but what was really wild is that if you look at the list,

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the top 41 of them are all Republican.

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Yeah, of course.

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There's chaos in the House for the Republicans.

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Well, I mean, they all agree on the big things, like killing people who disagree with them,

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and then that causes problems because on the inside, they disagree with each other.

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So it's like, they gotta have a constant stream of people they hate outside of there, otherwise,

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like if we just shut off TV around the Senate for like two weeks, there would be 22 Republican

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senators left.

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They would have just eaten each other.

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And six new political parties, at least.

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Yes, with many amputees.

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I was pretty shocked at that lack of sort of coalition management.

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The top 41 people in the House with the highest percentage of voting against their party line

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were all Republicans.

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Nuts.

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Anyway, the second thing is I realized that I'd get into her voting record, but I realized

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what's the point?

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Alex isn't gonna bring up any specifics.

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Nope.

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Who cares?

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Nobody cares.

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Not at all.

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Not one of her votes has mattered about anything.

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So a large part of this interview is rank transphobia.

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It's pretty bad, pretty just unacceptable all around.

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Alex introduces this next segment here, just reading off a laundry list of deceptive and

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misrepresented headlines that he's using for the sake of spreading transphobic narratives.

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And it gets to this clip, which is pretty bad.

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MTG is here to give her take on this.

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So much to deal with her.

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Oh, I think it's straight evil.

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First off, if I was a parent and my fifth grade daughter had to sleep and shower in

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some kind of cabin at some summer camp that I paid money to send my child to, and there

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was a man calling himself a woman sleeping in her cabin, showering with her, that guy

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would be in jail.

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He would be in jail.

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Well, first off, my husband would have beat him into the ground and then he'd be in

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jail.

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But this is exactly how we need to stand up against this stuff.

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So one thing that's pretty important to point out here is the story that Marjorie is

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talking about involved absolutely no wrongdoing by anybody.

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No child was hurt or anything.

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The entire issue is that one of the counselors at a science camp that fifth graders went

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to was non-binary and used they, them pronouns.

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This has to do with a fifth grade group of students from Los Alamilitos who went to a

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camp called Camp Pali.

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If any of the people who participated in outrage rants like Marjorie took the time to look

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into this at all, they could learn a little bit more about this camp and realize that

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it's more or less a luxury camping setup.

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When they say that the kids stayed in a camp and with the counselors, it's meant to evoke

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the idea that they're staying in like this tiny shack, but in reality they're big

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buildings that house ten students in bunk beds and have separate rooms that the counselors

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stay in.

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Also, each cabin has two to three private bathrooms and showers, so there's no communal

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showering going on here at all.

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Of course.

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From everything I can tell, this started as a local news report from KTLA about two parents

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who were mad that the school district didn't tell them that someone who worked at the camp

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that their children were sent to was non-binary and that if they had known, they wouldn't

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have sent their children.

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From everything I can tell, no other parents were upset, and I can't find a bunch of

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other complaints from other parents who had sent their children to this camp, but that's

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enough to kick off a right-wing media campaign, and it has.

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The fact that everything was fine at the camp and no child was mistreated leads to folks

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having to show their cards a little bit too clearly on this one.

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Nothing happened, but to Marjorie, the mere existence of a non-binary person in proximity

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to children is a threat to that child, because she believes that trans and non-binary people

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are inherently dangerous to children in the same way that the right-wing media made that

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argument about gay people in the 80s or black people decades prior.

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Doing the same game over again and it's disgusting.

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Also, Marjorie needs to be way more careful with her language.

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I have no idea how intentional what she said was, but at the end of that clip, if you just

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take her words in the context of how she said them, she's advocating for committing acts

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of violence against trans and non-binary people.

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She's pretending that it's about people sleeping or showering with these students,

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but in the case she's talking about, that didn't happen.

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The story she's basing her outrage on is just that a non-binary person was employed

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somewhere.

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Yeah, hey, listen.

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That's the long and short of it.

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All I'm saying is if these people act in the way that they never have, never will,

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and frankly wouldn't make any sense at all for anyone, then I think we should commit

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violence against them, and that they won't, can't, and never will should not stop us

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from continuing to commit violence against them.

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It's just abhorrent, and this becomes kind of a main sticking point throughout some of

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the stuff that we're going to be talking about today, this case of that camp.

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And it's just, I mean, it's all around unacceptable.

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But of course, this leads to a conversation about trans people in sports, and so...

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Because great.

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Because fine.

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Here we go with that.

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Great.

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And then the men, this guy, Leah, Leah Thompson, I'm sorry, that's William, and he's not

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a she, he's a he.

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He should not be competing in women's swimming.

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Anytime he wins, he did not win.

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Whoever came in second place, the real girl in the race, she's the winner.

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He should be thrown out of swimming completely.

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All of the men, I do not care about, it shouldn't matter about what they do in their bedroom,

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if they want to wear a dress line, but what they're doing is they are defeating women.

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It's about beating women down, and the left stands up for it.

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And this is where America needs to say enough.

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Most Americans agree that this is wrong, and it's absolutely ridiculous, and I don't know

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why Fox News or anyone else goes along with the whole pronouns, the he's and the she's

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and the she's and whatever.

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These are men.

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We need to call them what they are.

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They're men.

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That makes them a he, a him, and not play this pronoun game anymore.

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And let's expand on that.

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Oh, that's a great thing for Alex to just be like, yeah, hoo hoo, let's go along, let's

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go even further.

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Wow.

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So the trans athlete thing is there's a convenient, easy place for people like Alex and Marjorie

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to hide their hate, because it gives the pretense of their bigotry coming from a place other

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than what it is, which is just hate.

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I've never once on his show or any like it heard a conversation about trans man athletes

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and whether or not they think it's wrong for them to compete in men's sports, because that

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doesn't work for the narrative that they're trying to use this mask to cover.

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On the same page, you'll never hear a frank discussion about unsuccessful trans women

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athletes, because again, that cuts the opposite direction of how they need the image to look

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for their propaganda to work.

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If you knew that there were plenty of successful trans man athletes competing in men's sports

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and that many trans women athletes are either just okay or not very dominant in their sport,

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it would complicate the issue to the point where people like Alex and Marjorie couldn't

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use it anymore.

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And that's why this just ignored the other side of the story, the other aspect of it

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entirely.

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Now, I want to put a fine point on this in the way that I mean to be very emphatic about.

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What Marjorie Taylor Greene is doing here isn't making a political statement about trans

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athletes or anything like it.

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She's categorically dismissing the validity of trans people's existence.

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At very least, she's reducing being trans to being a purely sexual thing by saying things

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like whatever you do in your bedroom.

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This is an unacceptable level of ignorance for a person who's an elected official to

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have.

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It's just outrageous.

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And it's particularly relevant for someone like Marjorie, because she represents a district

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in Georgia, which happens to be the state with the fourth highest percentage of the

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population to identify as trans.

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It's very relevant to her constituency, probably a lot more so than whether or not Kyle Rittenhouse

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gets a gold star from Congress.

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This is actually a very destructive thing for her being able to represent the people

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of her state.

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I mean, you know, it is such that she...

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It's a club, and it is so fucking disgusting to me that it's just like, how, how, why,

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what do you...

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And it's just like, she just gets personal satisfaction.

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That's it.

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You know, like really at the end of the day, she gets nothing more than the personal satisfaction

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of having hurt people, because she can get money out of it, but she could get money in

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an any other different fucking way.

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You know, you don't have to go to Congress to get money.

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And frankly, you don't have to go to Congress to hate trans people and get money for doing

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that.

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It's just that she fucking hates people.

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And then everybody gets so happy for her, like, oh, wow, you're so great.

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Keep hating people.

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Keep hating people.

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Well, I think a part of it too is signaling to the folks...

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There's a method of accumulating power, which is engaging in the communal demonization of

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the chosen victim group or the vulnerable group that the rest of your group is ostracizing

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at that point.

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And I think that she gets something out of that as being part of signaling and making

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very concrete that she is part of this in-group that is doing the hating of this vulnerable

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group.

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So Alex has some old talking points he wants to weave back in, and it's just gross.

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I mean, like you said, they're stealing women's spaces.

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And children are being...

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Fuck you!

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Black queen story time that a big fat man in a clown outfit is a woman.

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I'm sorry.

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That's not a woman.

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That's a big fat man or a little boy dressed up like a girl.

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This is all very, very sexualization of children.

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In fact, I can't show this video in Austin, part of what we have.

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They had men on stage with little kids giving them money who had no G-strings on saying

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they were women with glitter on their genitals and hugging little kids.

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Naked men...

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This is four years ago in Austin.

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Naked men literally grabbing children.

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No.

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How did we get here, Alex?

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I can't even understand that.

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So Alex ignores this, but most drag queens aren't trans.

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Drag is a performance art and doesn't really correlate with someone's gender identity.

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But even beyond that, Alex is using talking points that are way past their expiration

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date.

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That is old stuff.

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Also that video that Alex is describing doesn't exist.

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I've seen the video that he claims depicts that, and it's absolutely not what he's describing.

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Alex is lying to a member of Congress in an attempt to make them even more radically anti-trans

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than they already are, which is boof.

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Man, you know, it's like, how did we get to this point?

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The other day, I saw my neighbor.

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She put a frog, a frog into a cauldron, a cauldron, dad.

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She dropped that frog in there.

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The cow three doors down immediately fell to the floor.

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That is her fault entirely.

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How did we get here?

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How did we let this happen?

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It's unfathomable.

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You know what?

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We got to follow the fucking rules of the Lord.

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Yeah.

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I think that I hate, I hate this, the content, but there's something about it that I think

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is, uh, it would be negligent if we didn't bring it up, uh, in as much as this is a sitting

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member of Congress that is actively engaging in this with Alex.

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And it's bad, man.

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Yeah, no, a member of Congress is engaging in stochastic terrorism in order to get trans

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youth killed.

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So um, yeah, I would say that's the summation.

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And I can't express how infantile even these, these thoughts that she's bringing to the

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table are.

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This is such perversion, but it's also grooming children.

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It's grooming them to believe things that are lies and that are completely wrong.

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No, children are not born a certain way thinking they're another gender.

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It's their parents that are training them that way.

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It's these mothers that think it's like a handbag.

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They need to have a boy, a girl, and a trans child, like as if there's some kind of accessory

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status.

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Exactly.

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It's like Hollywood stars and all the things they've engaged in.

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Exactly.

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What do you, what, Alec, why did Alex stop himself when he was, he was clearly saying

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a status symbol.

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That was clearly what he was about to say.

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He stopped himself somehow and then changed it to like what Hollywood stars do, which

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I assume he means like herself having a dog in her purse or something.

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I thought it was more like Angelina Jolie maybe adopting kids from places.

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I suppose.

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Yeah, either, either are possible, but yeah, this is, this is a grotesque perspective.

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So she also has some complaints about people not stopping this or something.

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I don't really, I, this is just, just awful.

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Yeah, no, it's really disturbing.

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But here's what bothers me the most is so many good men are silent with it.

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They won't say anything, Alex, like they don't stand up and protect us.

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We want men to, real men to stand up and say, we're not going to allow you in our daughter's

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bathrooms.

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We aren't going to allow you in our girls' cabins at camp.

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We aren't going to allow you to beat down our women and our daughters.

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But we need...

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Like in the UFC or other, the UFC so much, but other MMA fighting, they let biological

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men literally kill women in some cases.

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So there've been two open trans women who've competed in MMA professionally.

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There was Fallon Fox who retired in 2014 and Alana McLaughlin, who has had one professional

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fight so far, not for the UFC, but for Combat Global.

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None of Fallon's fights were UFC fights.

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Most of them were with a championship fighting alliance.

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That is to say that there's not been a trans woman fighter competing in the UFC.

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Right.

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But that doesn't mean that they haven't been killed.

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Well, I think that Alex is just lying about how in her last fight before retiring, Fallon

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Fox did break her opponent's skull in the ring.

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And then he's conflating that with a 2019 story about Sida Aletha, who was a woman fighter

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in the UK who competed in the Fast and Furious fight series.

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Aletha, she suffered a brain injury in her fight, which ended up leading to her death

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the next day.

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Her opponent, Jamie Morgan, is a cis woman.

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Alex is combining these things and making up details in order to suit his purposes because

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this is a transphobic episode he's got going on here with Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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And why not pretend that, hey, listen, if the enemy that you want isn't doing the thing

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that you need them to do in order to make them your enemy.

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Just say they are.

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Yeah.

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Just say it.

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So, um, we're going to jump off this, this subject because there's more that is said

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that is disgusting and awful and unacceptable in the exact same vein and playing, playing

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anything more would really kind of tend to be, I think it might feel like wallowing around

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and like them being awful for the sake of demonstrating the awfulness.

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Right.

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I think it's virtue signaling in a less.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, um, we'll, we'll jump to, to this where we get back to civics and, and our lack of

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understanding of them.

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Someone's lack of understanding.

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Yes, that's for sure.

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But here's something that a lot of people don't understand about Congress.

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So most of the bills that get passed are passed by voice vote.

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That is until this year.

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And you know, everyone remembers the story of me being kicked off committees, not that

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big of a deal because Democrats are in control and Republicans can't really do much on committees

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anyways when the Democrats control the house.

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That was a badge of honor.

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Absolutely.

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Because that means, you know what?

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That means the swamp knew exactly who I am.

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They knew that I wasn't going to hand over my, they didn't want you looking at the legislation.

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Sorry.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah.

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Well, nobody wants you looking at the legislation.

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That, that kind of mentality is just incompatible with getting anything done.

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The, the consequences as virtue.

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It's just, um, that like, you know, that, you know, that you're on the right track when

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everyone, uh, does not like you, um, imagine like apply that, uh, sort of thinking to Osama

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Bin Laden.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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I mean, nobody gets more right than that.

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Really?

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Just think about the, all sorts of negative figures.

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You know, everybody hated Hitler and that was everybody.

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Well, some of the people who are on Alex's network might actually have, I think that

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might be, they might actually believe that.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, Marjorie, after she lost these committee assignments, it don't really matter and it's

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a badge of honor that she lost them to begin with.

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I mean, in her defense though, I will say that when everybody in the GOP kicked her

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off those committees, there was, they had to have been like, well yeah, she's not here

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for this.

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No.

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We can, we can use her still, but this is not why, why would we waste our time?

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There's a role for someone like this, but unfortunately what you got to understand is

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when you try to use somebody like this to play a role, they will end up attacking you.

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The chair recognizes the Congresswoman from Georgia.

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The weapon, the weapon will be turned on you very quickly.

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Oh yeah.

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So, but after she lost this committee assignment, you know what?

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She decided maybe I should learn how this here government works, which is, it's so depressing.

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And so when I lost my committees, I started sitting on the house floor and I don't know

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if you've ever heard this story, but I started sitting on the house floor and what I wanted

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to do is learn the process.

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And so I started watching them debate the bills back and forth and they would, the person

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in the chair that was supposed to be speaker Pelosi, she would, or he, whoever it was with

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a mask on, I had no idea, but it usually wasn't Nancy, they would ask for the voice votes.

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And so after they debated the bill, the Democrats would say, yay.

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And then the Republicans on our side would say, nay.

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And then the person sitting there in this, in the speaker chair with the gavel would

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say, the bill passed and like 10 members of Congress would have voted saying yes or no.

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Wow.

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I'm not kidding you.

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And so what I started doing is I started using floor procedure and I started asking for roll

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call votes.

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So they would debate the bill back and forth.

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And then this person in the chair, you know, speaker mask face or whoever it is, would

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ask for the voice votes.

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And before the bill would pass, I would say, Madam speaker, I asked for the recorded vote.

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Well, that means that all members of Congress had to come in and actually vote.

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You see, we have a voting card and we're supposed to use it.

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It's supposed to be an electronic vote and it should record all of our votes, whether

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it's yes or no.

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And so I would put my, we are supposed to put our card in there, push yes, no, or present.

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I don't even know why there's present, but either yes or no.

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And you should know why they're doing this since February, the house freedom caucus joined

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in with me.

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And at this time, Alex, we have over 500 bills that are on record that you can actually look

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up any member of Congress.

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You can look up their vote and even see, did they even show up for work that day?

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Did they actually vote?

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Did they vote?

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Yes.

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Did they vote?

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No.

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What you're saying is they're doing it not just to manipulate the votes, but to hide

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the record.

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That is exactly what I'm telling you.

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Dun, dun, dun.

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I mean, or one could argue that it's a fucking massive government and all of these things

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are negotiated for months in advance.

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Some of them, yeah.

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So you see the best time to learn about what it means to be a member of the House of Representatives

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is when you're there and you've been kicked off your committees.

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That's the time to get down to brass tacks and figure out what you're supposed to be

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doing.

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It's about time.

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Marjorie's a real idiot, but I guess in the long run on this one, who cares?

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Traditionally the house didn't vote on every measure with roll call votes because there's

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so many members of that body that if they were going to do it that way, it would take

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forever.

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Nothing would ever get done.

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Conversely with just 100 members, the Senate traditionally does do roll call votes for

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most orders of business.

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It's only 100 people.

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The way things work is that bills or measures or resolutions that are likely to pass or

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fail or put up to a voice vote and then it's decided by the speaker.

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People can then call for a roll call vote so if someone contests the vote, it can be

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looked at more closely and the house can't end up getting bogged down in this laborious

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ass process.

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Right.

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What Marjorie is discussing doing could have been a problem in earlier days, but at this

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point it's more or less just an annoyance since they have digital voting cards and they

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don't have to go one by one, vote yay or nay.

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Also, you can go to Congress's website and look at the list of roll call votes in previous

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sessions of Congress and honestly it doesn't appear that there are any more or less of

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them since Marjorie started doing this.

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For instance, there were 449 roll call votes in the first session of the present Congress

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compared to 705 in the first session of the 114th Congress, which was in 2015.

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Great.

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You can find the voting records for folks in the House back then and I don't think she's

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making an impact.

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No.

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I really don't think Marjorie is having an impact at all, at least especially not in

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the way she thinks she is, and part of that has to be due to her clear ignorance of how

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government works, as evidenced by her bewilderment at the idea of a voice vote and the fact that

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she's confused by the idea of people voting present.

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This indicates that she doesn't understand the bodies of Congress and how they need a

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quorum to carry out business legally, so if you don't want to take a side but you also

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want to make sure that the vote can happen legally, the solution is to vote present.

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There's other situations too, but there's a lot of functions.

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It can be done in a case where a Congress member has a conflict of interest, so they

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can't vote one way or the other, but if they were to not vote and it leads to a quorum

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not being there, that in effect could be them working in some way - Which is in and of

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itself a vote.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So there's a number of reasons one might vote present.

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Yeah.

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I really would have hoped that a person would know these kind of basic things before they

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decide to run for Congress, but when it's all about attention and just yelling, why

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would you?

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Why would you care about how to effectively do the job you're asking people to elect you

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to do?

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It's disgusting.

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It really is kind of astonishing, but then I think back about my civics education in

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school and it's like, yeah, I can see somebody who just has my civics education from school

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not learning anything outside of that, going to Congress and being like, well, this isn't

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how it's supposed to work.

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Yeah.

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It's like, well, maybe we should spend more time teaching people how our own fucking government

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works?

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Or people who want to run - Should have to take a class.

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Space confidence or competence.

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There should be, I don't want it to be like a ridiculous bar of entry.

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I mean, obviously that would work against people who are working people.

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You don't need a law degree.

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You don't need that.

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But you do need to know how it works.

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And it shouldn't also be prohibitive in terms of the time commitment that it would take

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in order to get some sort of - Because then you've created an aristocratic

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ruling class, which we already have.

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I find it to be really difficult to think how government can function if people like

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Marjorie who have no idea how any of this stuff works are the people who get elected.

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It's electing a stick to a wheel conference.

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Right.

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Right.

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Does that work?

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No.

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I mean, but it is so counterproductive too.

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Because she thinks, and these dumdums think, that if they go in there and they like disrupt

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the process, then that will give them more power and bring more attention to the subject.

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When in reality, when you go in there and you obstruct the process, that only makes

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people who have any actual power avoid you, go as far away from this bullshit as they

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can in order to do things in those secret back rooms that you hate so much.

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Well, there's that.

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And then there's also like, obviously, we're living in a point where the Democrats are

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in control of the House and Biden is president.

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And so the people who maybe wield more of the centralized power within the Republican

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Party obviously don't mind someone who's just meaninglessly obstructionist.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That works for them.

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When they're trying to not get anything done.

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Right.

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Hooray.

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Yeah, you're the best.

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You're a hero.

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Anybody else comes into office, the House flips Republican, all of a sudden they try

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to push an agenda through.

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She becomes a problem for the Republicans.

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Suddenly she's gone weird.

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Suddenly the relationship is a little bit different and your antics aren't as fun anymore.

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So anyway, you got to give her some money.

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They're coming after you.

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They got packs after you.

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They're running scams.

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We need you to win with a record level or they could remove you from Congress when you're

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such an important person there.

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How do people donate to MTG?

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Well, I really appreciate you asking that.

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Go to wizardsofthecoast.com.

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I'm only supported by regular people.

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I don't take money from lobbyists or PACs.

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MTGforAmerica.com.

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Wow.

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So, here are some of the donors that Marjorie has gotten money from this cycle.

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Here's some regular, regular people, Dan.

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Raytheon.

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Berkshire Hathaway.

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Lockheed Martin.

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Chevron.

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Coke Industries.

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Regular people.

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It's something called America First Events.

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Oh, that's probably not, that's probably the most evil of them all.

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Probably.

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Ungoogalable name, I'll tell you that.

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She also accepted money from the House Freedom Fund and the Freedom First Political Action

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Committee.

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Both are...

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Regular people.

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Registered PACs.

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No.

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So she's a liar.

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Regular people.

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But it's also actually worse than that when you actually consider Marjorie's larger record.

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In 2021, she probably broke House rules when she appeared in an ad soliciting donations

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for a group called the Stop Socialism Now PAC.

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The issue is that candidates and elected officials can't solicit donations larger than $5,000,

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but people could give an unlimited amount to PACs.

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So this was a super unethical thing for her to do.

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Like, the system's already unethical.

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Like, the fundamental system is already unethical.

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At a certain point, even the Republicans are like, Jesus Christ, it's already a scam!

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Not only that, though, at the end of last year when Marjorie was going on tour with

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Matt Gaetz, part of that was at least in part to, it was meant to promote their joint fundraising

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organization, the Put America First PAC.

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And that completely fell apart because they spent all their money they raised on a tour,

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which was a bust, and then the PAC ended up essentially broke.

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Anyway, Green has no problem with incredibly shady campaign finance stuff.

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This is all bullshit.

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And that's virtue signaling if I ever saw it.

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But it's also, like, if you understand the funding difference between her and her next

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closest, I think it's Jennifer Strahan is the other person running who's closest to

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her, it's comical, the gap between them.

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There's no reason that anybody in Alex's audience should be sending her money, even if they

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believe in her.

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Wild.

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It's ridiculous.

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This is a total scam.

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Anyway, she has an idea, though.

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To me, you know, they talk about the Civil War and the GOP.

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Well, I fully embrace it, because I believe that iron sharpens iron, and we need to be

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the GOP conference that actually does something for a change instead of talking about it on

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Fox News.

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You see, I think Republicans have a job to do, and that is to become the American people.

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Your job is talking about it.

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We need to be the American party.

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I agree.

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Not left or right.

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The American party.

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Yes, the American party.

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So fun how these two want a party that's the American party.

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It's not left or right.

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It's the American party.

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Now, I will say that it happens to have literally all of the positions that are miles to the

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right of the current GOP, and they think that anybody who's on the left is a literal demon,

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but it's not about left or right.

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It's about America.

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And we're the people who, when we go to government, we don't know anything about how it works.

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It's almost like we don't know anything.

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We could shorten it.

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We know nothing.

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Let's make a party.

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Wait, this is new.

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Whoa, shit.

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We've done this before, haven't we?

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As they say, patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, but there's an addendum

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to that.

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It's also an early refuge for really lazy con artists.

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That's what's going on here.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, that's about as much as there is in the February 20th episode.

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I will say that I think that the most relevant element of this is I know that Marjorie was

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awful, but I didn't know that she was this ill-equipped to be in government.

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When I heard her talk about being surprised by the idea of voice votes or not knowing

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why people vote present, that was troubling.

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Yeah, that's a problem.

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And then a larger problem, obviously, is the willingness to be so explicitly and disgustingly

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transphobic in response to what is, at its core, a benign story.

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A totally benign story.

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A story that nothing happened.

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That features zero events.

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Yes.

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That features only the existence.

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It might as well have been like, hey, Dan, I went to a God camp when I was younger.

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Right.

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End of story.

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Dude, I went-

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There were people there.

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I went on a mission trip with K-Life, and they did make people shower together.

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And I didn't because I was uncomfortable with it, and I was made fun of for it.

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And while we were in the bunks, one of the dudes who was our leader, he was a college

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dude who was running around naked, whipping high schoolers with a towel.

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Yes.

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Classic cisgender good behavior that no parent could object to.

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I've told that story to other people who went to Christian camps, and it's never like, I

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can't believe that happened.

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I was like, yeah, something like that kind of happened.

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I went naked ziplining with a fucking Christian band all in their 20s who were camp counselors,

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and they grabbed me out of bed at like two in the morning to go take me naked ziplining.

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No one had a problem with this.

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And those are not okay things that happen.

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No.

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They are definitely more problematic than the story that Marjorie and Alex were responding

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to and made a transphobic meal out of.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, no.

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If any one of those band members was a they, then it would have been a problem.

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Maybe not them, though.

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Well if they were a they.

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It wasn't the hot issue for the GOP at that point.

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It was a God camp.

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If they were a they, it would have been trouble.

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Fine.

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Yeah.

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While she was in Austin, Alex and Marjorie apparently went to dinner, and they released

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a little six-minute video of him interviewing her, I guess, about how Nancy Pelosi doesn't

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wear masks enough.

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It's a little dumb, and honestly it has the feeling of a couple people drinking and then

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one of them grabbing a camera and saying, oh, that was gold.

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Say that thing you said so I can record it.

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It's very clunky.

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It's a six-minute video, but actually only two minutes are Alex talking to Marjorie.

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The other two-thirds of the video is a compilation of people like Joe Rogan and Tim Pool talking

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about how right Alex is about everything.

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Wow.

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It's weirdly self-aggrandizing, as if Alex has every reason to assume that having Marjorie

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Taylor Greene in this video is going to draw eyes to it, so while he has people's attention,

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the main goal is really to make sure that people know that idiots like Joe and Tim like

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him.

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It's pretty bizarre.

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Also, Marjorie says that she's going to be starting a podcast, and it's hard to tell,

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but there are two possible impressions that this video is meant to convey.

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One is that her podcast is going to be done through InfoWars.

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The other is that Alex desperately wants to give that impression, though it's not true.

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Yeah.

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I have no idea, but I would caution Marjorie against this plan.

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She actually doesn't seem to have much to say, and I think if she did a podcast, it

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would overexpose her, and honestly, I don't know how much of an actual committed audience

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she has.

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You have to factor in the reality that most of her audience is probably a bit outside

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the normal podcast audience demographics, and younger people who support her, like Nick

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Fuentes' followers, they look at her as just a useful tool to bring their white identity

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ideology closer to the mainstream.

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She's not somebody who they would take the time to listen to.

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Yeah.

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She's a thing to them.

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It would be a very sad moment when she's like, what do you mean?

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I'm not a puppet.

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I'm a real boy.

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And they're like, oh, lady, lady, come on.

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That's nice of you.

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Oh, you're so cute.

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Yeah.

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Oh, you and Joe Arpaio think we like you.

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Yeah.

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Oh, you guys are so ruffling their hair.

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Anyway, this is all dumb.

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Also dumb was Marjorie showing up on the war room to chat with Owen, and we're not going

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to talk about that.

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So some other dumb things happened over the next days, the last bit in our present day.

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The Washington Post story came out that they released a video of Roger Stone offering to

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give someone a pardon, or try and get someone a pardon for $100,000, and saying that Trump

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was the worst mistake in American history, and strangely really wanting to get out of

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town fast after things popped off at the Capitol on January 6th.

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Really wild that he would want to do that.

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Yeah.

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And Trump was probably just him throwing a temper tantrum because Trump pardoned Steve

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Bannon and he hates Bannon.

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And the selling a pardon thing is just good old fashioned Roger Stone corruption.

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But apparently Roger has decided to claim that those videos are deep fakes.

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They're deep fakes made by the North Koreans to disrupt the proper working of the heavenly

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features of Roger Stone.

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Whatever.

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This is really dumb, but I guess it's good enough for the Infowars audience.

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I don't particularly care about what Roger has to say anymore if I'm being totally honest.

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It seems really clear to me that the walls are closing in around him and that he's going

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to be increasingly combative until eventually he goes back to jail.

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Yeah.

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It's really disconcerting how many different groups that were involved in planning to riot

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on January 6th that he was directly involved with.

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I think that's something we're going to learn even more about in the future.

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Yeah.

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Joshua James is the Oathkeeper member who pled guilty to seditious conspiracy, and guess

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what?

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He received security for Roger Stone on January 5th, along with Stuart Rhodes' team leader

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for January 6th, Michael Simmons.

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I bet he heard them talking.

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Weird.

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In addition to that, Roger was working really closely and even directly with Ali Alexander

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on Stop the Steal stuff, and Ali got a permit to hold an event on the Capitol grounds under

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false pretenses, which incidentally was the rally that Alex was trying to lead a mass

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of people to.

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That doesn't sound like a problem at all.

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Also Roger has deep ties to the Proud Boys, the leadership of which just got arrested

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on conspiracy charges related to January 6th, and if you read their indictment it's super

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clear they plan to storm the Capitol well in advance.

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Roger has deep connections to all three of these entities, two of which have well-documented

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plans to do what they did on the 6th, which seems really weird.

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Yeah.

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I would say that if Roger isn't super guilty here, he has some real serious explaining

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and soul-searching to do about how he's mixed up with all these people who are planning

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to try to overthrow the government and he had no idea what they were up to.

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I'm looking forward to the moment in court where the defense lawyer is like, I would

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like to remind everybody we have a presumption of innocence in this country, and then everybody

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in court laughs and they're like, yeah, but you're Roger Stone.

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Come on, man.

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Get out of here.

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Come on, man.

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Let's go.

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Anyway, Roger came around to whine about this article in the Post and then tried to get

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the audience to give him more money.

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Of course.

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Well, he's gonna need money to stop all those deep fakes.

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Oh, so many deep fakes.

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So many deep fakes.

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So Marjorie was in person with Alex on February 20th, and that's because she'd come to town

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to support Christian Collins in the GOP primary for Texas's 8th district.

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Also present were Mike Lindell and Madison Cawthorn.

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The heroes of our age!

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They were coming in to support this Collins guy in the primary, and on March 1st, Collins

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lost to Morgan Latrell, who got 52.2% of the vote to Collins' 22.2.

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Ooh, so close.

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Doesn't seem like- Right there.

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Doesn't seem like the combined powers of Mike Lindell, Madison Cawthorn, and Marjorie Taylor

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Green can overcome a 30-point loss.

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I mean, it's tough when you're behind that far, okay?

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But it was close.

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Maybe they weren't that far behind because they came.

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Who knows?

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Why would they come to rally for someone who was that far behind?

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You wouldn't do that.

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No.

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You'd have to at least think it was close.

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I mean- Or you'd have to be the most grandiose narcissist

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in the world.

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There would have to be some money involved.

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There's probably some pillow money.

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There's definitely some pillow money involved.

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But still, you don't want to go and be like, I'm headlining a rally.

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Hitching my wagon to this tragic loser.

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So then, on February 25th, Green was off to Orlando, where she spoke at Nick Fuentes's

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pseudo-clan rally, and then at CPAC the next day.

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People were a bit shocked and disillusioned by the depths that the GOP had sunk to, where

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they were totally fine with somebody associating with somebody who started a pro-Putin chant

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at his rally and spoke positively about Hitler and saying the N-word one day, and then they're

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being welcomed at the biggest GOP event of the year the next.

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This helped give a little bit more attention to the profoundly hateful things that Green

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had said on Infowars a week prior to this, and there were a few articles that got written

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about her appearance and how it strongly implied support for violence against trans people.

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What grifters do in this kind of situation is double down.

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They recognize that there's a tension in them-thar-hills, and they get to mining for it immediately.

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The attention-hijacking economy runs largely on outrage, so if someone's mad at you about

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something, the best way to keep that outrage and attention pipeline open is to do more

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of the thing that made people angry.

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That's the trick!

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Yeah, man!

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Conversely, an elected official really has a responsibility to carry themselves with

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a little more dignity than that.

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So naturally, Marjorie decided to double down and came back on Alex's show on Tuesday, March

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8th, which is now what we will be getting into.

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Yeah, of course.

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What?

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What, are you going to be mad at her?

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What, is she going to lose her election?

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What do you got?

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Nothing.

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No.

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Let me check in here.

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Alex, on March 8th, is continuing his, uh, boy I love Putin, but I gotta say that I see

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both sides.

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Oh, of course.

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And I'm not defending the Russian position, but I understand it.

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How are you not?

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And it was well known in all the big think tanks that doing this would make Russia go

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in, and Putin kept warning, and kept warning, and he said two weeks ago on the eve of this,

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let's say that you're not going to bring Ukraine into NATO, and I will not invade.

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And stop shelling the east, and stop trying to infiltrate and sabotage in the south area

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there at the port they've got that Russia annexed in eight years ago because the west

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and Soros bragged that they overthrew Ukraine.

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Also stop meddling around in this area that we've seized from you illegally, and also

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say that you're not going to let Ukraine into NATO, which, I mean, Germany's chancellor

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did say that prior to-

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Yep.

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Very specifically.

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Out loud.

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In the attempt to keep them from invading.

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Yeah, so I mean, like, this is all just bullshit.

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He's just towing the Putin line.

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I do like how it's a warning, you know?

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It's not-

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A threat.

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If you do these things, I will invade and murder a lot of people for fun and tragedy.

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That's a warning.

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Definitely not a threat.

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So Putin's a good guy.

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He was just warning people.

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Look out.

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He was just like, hey, watch out.

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There's a car coming, and I'm driving it, and I'm going to drive through your body.

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Yeah, and if you step over there, I'm going to swerve.

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I'm going to swerve and hit you there.

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So we had some big news.

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That is that Alex is going to go on a little breaky again.

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I was scheduled, and I'm still going right now, to go to California next week to be on

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some really big podcast and interview some huge folks and do some other meetings and

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things.

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And I'm probably still going to do it, but I'm watching this very carefully.

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Things are so dangerous, World War III kickoff, I may not go.

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That's how dangerous and how bad the situation is.

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And just believe me, I got some interviews shut up out there that'll break the internet.

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It'll be as big as my Joe Rogan podcast.

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How could you top that?

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Well, use your head.

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There's not many ways to.

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My guess is Russell Brand.

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That's my guess.

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That would make sense.

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Yeah.

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He seems like the only person who really fits this description of being a large platform

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and someone who'd be stupid enough to let Alex come on and spew his shit unchallenged.

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Tucker is based in New York, so it's not him.

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Right.

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I feel like most people in California wouldn't have Alex on.

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No.

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Jimmy Dore is definitely dumb enough to have Alex on.

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He would definitely do that.

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I don't consider it entirely outside the realm of possibility that Bill Maher might be craven

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enough to have him on.

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100%.

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Like, what if he was on Real Time?

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I believe it.

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I wouldn't be surprised.

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Oh, God, that'd be awesome.

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I really wouldn't be surprised.

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It's just so sad.

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But he also said break the internet, so maybe it's like Kim Kardashian or Kanye?

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If it was Kanye, that would break the internet.

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I don't know if it would.

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What, Alex Jones and Kanye?

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Fuck, I would watch that.

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And I don't pay attention to either of them anymore.

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You're not allowed.

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Oh, that's right.

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Um, I would find that surprising.

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Donda 2 is the first album that I have absolutely, categorically refused to listen to.

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Part of the press tour for that album, Infowars.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Donda was so bad that I refused to listen to Donda 2.

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Wow.

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That's how bad Donda was.

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And if you have followed my career, I have written several hundreds of thousands of words

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about how much I like Kanye's music.

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Yeah.

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I think that Russell Brand, Jimmy Dore, and Bill Maher, in that order of descending likelihood,

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are the people that I would put in the possible...

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But honestly, if history is prelude, this thing's gonna end up just being some weird

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podcast I've never heard of.

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Somebody with a ton of audience that is so niche that I've never...

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I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he did Tim Dillon's podcast.

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Is he in LA?

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I don't think he is.

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I don't know.

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I think he moved to Texas.

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He moved to Texas?

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Oh, well.

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I remember the talk of that.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's right.

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I don't know.

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But yeah, if he's in LA, I could see that.

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Yeah, I could see that.

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I think that would be a given.

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Right.

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Right.

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I mean, if you've been on Rogan with Dillon, Dillon's gotta have you on his show.

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Yeah.

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And he doesn't care, because he's a piece of shit.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I can't really think of many other possibilities.

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My big money is Russell Brand.

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Oh.

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So, yeah, Marjorie Taylor Greene is on on this March 8th episode for some reasons, some

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of them more interesting than others.

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This one is only more interesting by default, because the rest of it's not very interesting.

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When you were in studio with us a few weeks ago, you talked about this and said you'd

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introduce a bill.

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You've done it today.

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It's breaking news right now.

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People can find the press release of your congressional site.

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Tell us about this new bill you've introduced.

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Well, my bill is the Congressional Voting Accountability Act.

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I'm very excited about it.

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Since I've been a member of Congress, I've spent a lot of time on the House floor calling

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for recorded votes.

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Oh, the voice vote conundrum.

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Oh my God.

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Yup.

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So this is absolutely going nowhere.

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And then Marjorie will be able to make a huge deal out of how the evil government doesn't

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want accountability because they wouldn't accept her bill.

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Essentially this bill is a propaganda trap, and she knows exactly what she's doing.

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This bill is categorically designed to fail because of what it entails.

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The bill would require the prohibition of not only taking voice votes in the House,

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but also would make it so representatives could only vote yea or nay, prohibiting them

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from voting present.

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It's honestly hard to tell if Marjorie really doesn't understand the basics of how Congress

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works or if this is really just a childish outburst of someone who doesn't get to do

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whatever she wants.

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Under the current rules, anyone can call for a roll call vote if they disagree with the

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voice vote.

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But in order to be taken to a roll call vote, one fifth of the quorum needs to agree to

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it.

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Marjorie likely can't drum up one fifth of the House's support for her desire to

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slow down every piece of legislation to a complete halt, but she still wants to get

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her way, and this bill is an attempt to do that.

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Yeah, you're just not going to get 90 other people.

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I mean, you can probably get 70-ish people in the House, in the House or in both the

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Senate and the House?

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Well, in just the House, but also the rules for how a quorum is taken, sometimes you only

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need a hundred members to be there to make a quorum.

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Oh, so you get a fifth of the quorum.

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Yeah.

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Right, right, right.

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Not the fifth of the total.

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No, no.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, gotcha.

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And what is it, like 238 of the full House is a representative quorum.

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Right, right, right.

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But still, like whatever it is, she doesn't have numbers.

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And like I said, there's no downside to this move that she's making.

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This bill is going to fail, and when it does, it'll be a prime opportunity to hijack everyone's

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attention with claims that the House is covering up their votes, which will feed into Marjorie's

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attention economy and revenue streams.

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This is just using the government as a tool to grift, and it's kind of boring.

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I mean, literally she must have introduced that, and everybody in the House went, oh

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fuck.

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This sucks.

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Why don't you try to get Rittenhouse another medal?

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Just stop.

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Yeah.

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Just stop.

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Please.

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Grow up something.

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So in this next clip, she talks a little bit more about what her bill would do.

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Uh-huh.

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It's very dumb.

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Help people.

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And the reason why this bill is so important is it would stop Congress from passing bills

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by voice vote.

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That's where just there's a handful of members of Congress sitting on the House floor, and

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they simply say yes and no.

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How dare they?

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There's 235 members of Congress, Alex, and this bill would force every single member

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of Congress to actually have to vote and not vote by proxy, show up to work, and vote in

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person and on record so the American people can see our job performance.

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It absolutely wouldn't do any of those things.

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Nope.

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There's no way she could.

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Wouldn't help.

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Even the way the bill's written.

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Waste everyone's time.

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Because of the way the quorums are formed, it would not require everyone to come.

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It's just ridiculous.

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Complete, complete waste.

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Another thing I was thinking about, though, when I was listening to this is how much of

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a boner Alex has for the idea that American government grew out of the Western British

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tradition and, you know, yells about the Magna Carta all the time.

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Our tradition of voice votes in the House is a direct extension of how business was

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carried out in the House of Commons, and this carries over to governments in places like

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Canada and Australia as well.

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It's a big part of our system.

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Yeah.

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Alex should be staunchly opposed to what Marjorie's suggesting because it's a radical departure

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from the tradition upon which the Founding Fathers built this country.

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Here's some fun for you.

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Yeah.

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In 1801, Thomas Jefferson wrote a text called the Manual of Parliamentary Practice, which

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Marjorie is explicitly calling to upend.

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Right.

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From Jefferson's manual, quote, when the debate is ended, the speaker, holding the bill in

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his hand, puts the question for its passage by saying, gentlemen, all of you who are of

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the opinion that this bill shall pass say aye, and after the answer of ayes, all of

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those that contrary opinion say no.

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The affirmative and negative of the question, having been both put and answered, the speaker

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declares whether the yeas or nays have it by the sound, if he be himself satisfied,

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and it stands as the judgment of the House.

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But if he be not himself satisfied, which voices the greater, or if before any other

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member comes in the House or before any new motion made, any member shall arise and declare

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himself dissatisfied with the speaker's decision.

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If Alex had any understanding of the Founding Fathers he pretends he studied and idolizes,

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he would probably kick Marjorie Taylor Greene out of the studio for daring to propose a

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bill that spits in the face of Thomas Jefferson's rules for how the House conducts business.

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Ah.

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They have no idea.

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They don't care.

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No, of course not.

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They don't know.

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It doesn't mean anything.

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And I mean, it is one of those fun things where it's like, listen, those assholes wrote

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that shit 300 years ago.

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Everybody knows this is not tenable for the modern world, even these dumdums.

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Right.

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Because they don't care.

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Right, but as long as you're citing Jefferson all the goddamn time, guess what?

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You wrote that too.

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Yep.

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You dick.

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You douchebag.

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Yeah, you're actively promoting and endorsing somebody who wants to undo the Jeffersonian

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model of how the voice votes are taken in the House, and it's a disgrace to the tradition

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of America.

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I will say.

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Dating back to Albion!

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That one is hard to put on a meme.

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So I mean, as far as Thomas Jefferson quotes, that one doesn't go down in history quite

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as well.

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I will tell you that reading that kind of language is not my strong suit.

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There's words in places they don't belong.

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Oh my God.

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Anyway, knowing this, that not only does voice voting go back to the literal beginning of

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the House of Representatives, it also predates the American government.

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Right.

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This is pretty funny.

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Most people when they hear the fact that they are voting without there being a record in

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many cases can't believe that.

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I mean, that is just amazing.

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Do we know how long they've been pulling this trick?

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They've been doing it for decades and decades, and-

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Decades and decades, pulling this trick.

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What are you guys doing?

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What are we doing here?

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What are we doing?

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What camera?

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They're just showing their ignorance entirely and lack of interest in how the government

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operates.

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This is borderline, this reminds me more of those reaction videos where they give six

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year olds a Super Nintendo and they're like, what is this?

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Is this a phone?

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Did they use this in the olden days?

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And you're like, yes, I get it.

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I'm old.

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I'm fine with this.

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This is great.

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This is them being like, I don't understand.

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What is this government you speak of?

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Right.

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In Horizon Forbidden West, you find something, they have a watch and it's called a-

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Yeah.

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Or whatever the fuck.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Shiny, shiny gold eye or whatever.

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Right.

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So we get back to now the transphobic content.

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And so just another warning, it's about to dive back into that for a little bit.

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Can't not.

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Because there have been these articles written about Marjorie's comments on Alex's show.

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And so part of her coming on is to announce this stupid bill that's going nowhere and

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is an affront to Thomas Jefferson's legacy.

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Naturally.

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But the other part of it is to deal with the criticism that is being levied against her.

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Right.

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And boy-

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We need to build a man of straw, ladies and gentlemen.

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Yeah, more or less.

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I mean, it's just about creating a fake version of her comments.

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I know you can only do 10 minutes with us today, but then a vote got pushed back and

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you could go a little bit the next hour.

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But we're only keeping you five minutes in the next hour because I want you to be able

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to respond to the lies and we're live right now.

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But later, I'm going to take what you actually said in studio two weeks ago and then put

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it on the front so we can have a video to get out there to counter the fraud.

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But just to start to give the premise of what happened.

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We were talking about men in girls' showers, biological men in front of little girls.

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And some of these men, it was in the news, have assaulted women and are being given light

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prison sentences and men are getting women pregnant in prison and raping them.

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And you said my husband would beat them into the ground.

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Who doesn't agree that if a woman rapes a woman or a man rapes a woman or a little girl

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that they need to have their head beaten in?

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You didn't say beat up RuPaul on their TV show.

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You didn't say beat up some transgender person walking down the street.

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This isn't true.

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Although Alex was in a deep hole of mostly fake stories that he uses to push intense

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hatred of trans people to his audience, like before Marjorie's comments, Marjorie wasn't

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responding to any of that stuff with her comments that led to violent talk.

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Here's where things get a little bit complicated.

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She was responding to a fake version of that story about Camp Pally when she said that

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her husband would beat somebody up.

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But ultimately, the only thing that triggered that response in her was that a non-binary

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person worked somewhere where kids were present.

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The fact of this non-binary person's existence in that space is enough for her to experience

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as an attack or violation on a child, so that's how they talk about it.

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And that leads to them fantasizing about committing violence.

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But here's the tell that they know what they're doing.

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In order to make their violent rhetoric seem defensible to their audience, they have to

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pretend that stories like the one from that camp are about grown men sleeping or showering

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with fifth grade girls because if they actually expressed their real grievance, it would be

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way too obvious that they were full of hate and bigotry.

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They don't come to their audience and say that they're mad that trans or non-binary

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people are allowed to have jobs in places where kids might be, because in reality what

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they're saying is that they don't think that children should have any exposure to trans

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or non-binary people, which ultimately leads to the real point that they're pushing, which

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is that trans and non-binary people shouldn't be allowed to exist in public.

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It's really clear how this goes because think about it, ultimately what this story they're

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responding to is about is about a couple of parents who were uncomfortable that their

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kids came back from camp and said that they met a counselor who was non-binary.

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There was no crime committed, there was no problem, it was just fifth graders meeting

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a non-binary person.

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If this is enough to merit the reaction that Alex and Marjorie are having, then where would

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they draw the line?

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Like could trans or non-binary people work in retail?

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Could they work in a library?

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Could they be teachers?

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You can easily see how much a society Alex and Marjorie wish to exclude people from under

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the pretend justification of protecting children or whatever.

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But here are two things that they would never do.

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They would never discuss the underlying stories as they really happened, because if they did,

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it would become way too clear that they're overreacting.

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And they would never be honest about what they want, because if they did, their bigotry

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would be way too clear.

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They only respond with grotesque bullshit and anger, because that's the feeling they

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want their audience to experience and adopt towards trans and non-binary people.

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Anger and a prejudice of fear that they pose a threat to children by their existence in

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public.

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That's what they're pushing.

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Emotions, emotions notorious for keeping you from reading another story immediately after

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being so angry.

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Nobody's like, oh I'm so furious, I better look into this and make sure that they're

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accurate!

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Right, it's a dead end for curiosity.

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So this just happens repeatedly, just creating fake versions of her comments in order to

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justify things.

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You were very clear that when men pose as women and sexually assault women and little

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girls, they need to be punished.

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Yes, I was clear about that.

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And I talked with my husband about it, so it's easy for me to double down.

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If there's a grown man, an adult biological man, dressing as a woman to be able to go

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into bathrooms, dorm rooms, going into women's private places, showers and so forth, and

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we were talking about a camp, we were talking about a children's camp, and I believe this

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was adult biological men, camp counselors, who identify as women, were staying in fifth

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grade girls' bathrooms or dorms or camps.

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Yes, yes, camp houses with fifth graders.

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That's not what she said.

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And you can see even from this rewriting of her position how indefensible her comments

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were.

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Marjorie is trying to rationalize her approval of violence by lying about the circumstances

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of the story from that camp.

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If there was a camp counselor, regardless of gender, showering with the kids, and it

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makes a bit more sense to be incensed, but that's a fabrication that's just from her

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bigotry and the bigotry of the right-wing media that she consumes.

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She's pushing a fake version of a real situation in order to justify her reaction of endorsing

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violence, and that's an essential element of this that she steadfastly refuses to accept,

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because she knows that she doesn't want an accurate image of this to be seen, that she's

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endorsing violence against trans and non-binary people who work anywhere that might involve

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children.

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That's the position that she's actually expressing.

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I don't want to sound like a broken record, but this is just disgusting behavior to see

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from someone who's in elected office.

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No, she is, look, I mean, it is easy to be like, oh, it's an exaggeration or it's overblown

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or whatever, but the ultimate desire here is if not complete eradication, then segregation.

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It is going right back, and it's the same thing with everything.

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It's going right back to, okay, trans kids cannot be in school with cisgender kids.

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Trans kids cannot drink at the same fucking water fountains.

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That is not an exaggeration.

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That is the desire.

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That is what they want.

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Whether or not they're willing to do all the shit to get there.

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I think it would manifest slightly differently.

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Well, I mean, it would manifest differently.

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It's not the same thing, yes.

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You can tell from context clues that what they're expressing is essentially a desire

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to criminalize parents of LGBTQ non-binary children, and so it would involve arresting

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their parents.

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Re-education.

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Probably.

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Sending them to camps.

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Some of the things that would be just terrible for Alex to support.

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It seems like that's more in the line, and then direct repression, trying to create societal

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situations where it would be just harsh penalties for not living the way that someone like Marjorie

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would approve of people to live.

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Yeah, they just want to torture people.

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So again, they're trying to pretend they're setting the record straight, but they're not.

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And the media misrepresented and said that she wants trans people to be physically attacked,

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but she never said that.

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That's the corporate media.

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Newsweek, you name it, hundreds of publications misrepresented what she said, so she's here

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to be able to set the record straight.

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Congresswoman?

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Thank you, Alex.

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I'd love to set the record straight.

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Well, as usual, the corporate media lies.

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They always put the lies on the headline, and then maybe the truth in the last paragraph

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of their article.

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The truth is that biological men are assaulting or attacking anyone under the age of 18, especially

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children.

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Yes, they deserve to be beat up, and there's nothing wrong with saying that.

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Corporate media and the radical leftists are completely detached from how parents feel

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and how the rest of America feels.

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Not only do they deserve to be beat up, they deserve to be arrested, they deserve to be

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charged, and they deserve to go to prison.

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This isn't setting the record straight.

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It's lying.

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If Marjorie's position was just that people who assault children should be arrested, or

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even if she understands that a parent's instinct would be to respond violently if their child

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was assaulted, that's fairly uncontroversial, and no one would really have wasted ink writing

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about her comments.

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Not a word.

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The problem and the issue that Marjorie and Alex will not disaggregate from their bullshit

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is that she and Alex believe that trans and non-binary people existing in public is in

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and of itself an assault on children.

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They won't make this position that they hold clear because they know that to do so would

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mean some real problems, particularly for Marjorie, since she still has a lot to lose

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with the fundraising and stuff that being in the house gives her access to.

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She's not relevant outside of being a lunatic who's in the house.

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Then she has that to lose.

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And if she doesn't have that, then she's got nothing.

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She could maybe get a show on Infowars, but this is a sinking ship.

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When Marjorie said what she said, she was responding to a story that had nothing to

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do with violence or children being assaulted.

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She imagined that that was the case because of her underlying bigotries that equates trans

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and non-binary existence to a threat.

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This is an essential question when it comes to assessing her comments, which is why it

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will never come up on Infowars.

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The lying and spinning masquerading as correcting the record will continue, just so the charade

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can continue.

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And it's pretty repulsive.

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Yeah, yeah, a lot of this is really, you just want to boil it down to be like, listen, do

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you want to improve things, or do you want to do things that satisfy you emotionally,

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I guess?

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You know?

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Like, it's very satisfying emotionally to be angry.

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Hey buddy, you're not going to get a straight answer to that.

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Yeah, well, ain't that the truth.

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Yeah.

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Ain't that the truth.

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Hey, what if satisfying myself emotionally is what I call making things better?

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Ah, see, but it's not, it's not.

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What if you did make things better and it didn't satisfy you emotionally?

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Would that be preferable?

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And the answer is no.

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Not for them.

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Not for them.

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So anyway, we have one last clip here.

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And again, it's just Marjorie trying to pretend that there's a justification for what she

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said.

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Now, biological men are trying to act like they're women as camp counselors, going into

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showers with fifth graders or sleeping in their cabins with other little girls or boys.

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That is completely wrong.

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And it's okay for me to say that, um, they might, they might need a, you know, a lesson.

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There's nothing wrong with that and I'll double down and I'll say it again.

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It's not about hating trans people or anyone.

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It's about hating children being targeted sexually, undoubtedly.

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It's not.

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That story isn't like, that's not an element of this story.

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Nope.

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Uh, if, if, if it were, I think her comments would still be wildly inappropriate and unbecoming

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of somebody who's an elected office.

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But she's just lying in order to soften what she's saying or make it more defensible.

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And it is not, it is not, her commentary is not defensible.

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It's a, it's a disgrace.

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And I don't know, I don't know what to say really outside of, it's nuts that, um, she's

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coming on Info Wars a bit.

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I mean, even Trump only showed up once.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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And again, it was mostly to shill his book.

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Yeah.

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But there is a part of me that's keenly aware that a midterm is coming up and it might just

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be something where it's like, ah, maybe I'll be able to get some voters out of this.

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But it's, it's a bit more of a connection than, than it appeared previously.

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And the way it's manifesting is predictable and also troubling.

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It's predictable in the sense that she's trying to sell these stupid, uh, right wing publicity

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stunt bills to his audience to get everyone excited and create these narratives around

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the house is hiding everything they do behind voice votes or whatever the fuck.

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You know, there's that, that's standard.

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That's what you expect from an Info Wars person.

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But there isn't, there is a level of the transphobic rhetoric that is being deployed by her and

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Alex in conjunction with her that is further than some of the, some of the stuff that maybe

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happens on a more regular basis.

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And that's, that's not good.

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Yeah.

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That's bad.

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That story was exactly what she characterized it as.

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Even if she was 100% getting the story itself, right.

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It is still not about biological men causing harm to women or children.

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It's about one person who's committed a crime.

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But, but, but, but again, most importantly, it's not about men.

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It's not about men, period.

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It is about trans people and it is not, so whenever she says biological man, non-binary

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person.

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Exactly.

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It's not even that.

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It's just anybody outside of the fucking norm or whatever.

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Anybody outside of the binary.

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But what she considers, but again, it is still not about men.

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There is plenty of violence that men do against women that she is 100% fine with.

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It is not about violence against women or children.

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Oh, she went on tour with Matt Gates.

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Yeah, it is entirely, well yeah, she went on tour with a, yeah.

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So I mean, I, so that's a lie.

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Yeah.

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Even her characterization of it.

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Everything's a fucking lie.

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Everything's a fucking lie.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I don't know.

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I have a tough time putting any kind of summation on this other than to say like, I find this

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deeply troubling and I think it's something that, you know, deserves to have, you know,

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an eye cast upon it.

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You know, I don't think it's something that should be overlooked, obviously.

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I think it's a bad enough thing when a sitting person in Congress who's not named Ron Paul

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shows up on Alex's show.

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I think that's a problem.

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And then when the content is like this, it's just, ugh.

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And then it's also a person who spoke at Fuentes's bullshit.

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Yeah.

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Like it's, it's, uh, yeah.

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Yeah, I mean the summation is like, care for and protect trans people.

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Sure.

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Do as much of that as you can.

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Well.

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I mean, just making them...

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On a functional level.

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Just making them happy.

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Happy trans people is a fucking terrorizing thing to the right.

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Don't use violence.

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Help people.

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Yeah.

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I think, I think that that obviously is the most important thing that people can do.

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Um, and then like be like, I don't know, vote for Jennifer Strahan in the GOP primary in

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Georgia.

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Find some way to stop these people.

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I think that Marjorie Taylor Greene is somebody who getting outraged at her feeds the cycle

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of, and you can see how this writing about her and her comments leads to her being able

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to do a victory lap on Alex's show and double down on stuff and create a larger false presentation

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of what she was saying.

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Um, and she's vulnerable in the GOP primary.

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There have been polls that have shown that there is a possibility that someone could

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beat her in that primary.

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And hey, I feel like it's, it's entirely possible.

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She has no place to be in government.

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Absolutely not.

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If not only for her incredibly horrible positions, then also for her clear lack of understanding

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of literally anything about civics.

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And that she's a corrupt, corrupt politician.

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Well, that's kind of...

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That's par for the course.

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Right.

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For sure.

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Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back with another episode.

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Maybe talk more about Russia or maybe we'll cover Alex's appearance on Real Time with

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Ilmar.

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We'll see.

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We'll see.

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Could be.

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But until then, we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We also are on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at knowledge underscore fight and that go to bed Jordan.

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Yep.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I'm Dr. Marbles.

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.