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Hello Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan

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I love your room

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Oh indeed we are, Dan

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Jordan

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Dan!

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Jordan

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Quick question for ya

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today is a little bit iffy, kind of

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Um, I am not proud of this

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Um, but I decided to order Papa John's the other day

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Oh no, oh no!

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I was curious

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I hadn't had it in maybe a decade, probably haven't had Papa John's

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and I just, you know those memories of the garlic sauce?

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I don't, I have the n-word memories, but not the garlic sauce

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I don't like the man

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Certainly don't like the man, but it was the pizza that would be around in shitty places

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Oh totally

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Youth group pizza

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Youth group pizza 100, yeah

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And the garlic sauce, it just like, it sticks out in your mind, you love it

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And uh, boof, nothing lived up to

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The pizza was terrible

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Imagine, no I mean

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Uh, the crust was okay, the garlic sauce was not as good as everyone else

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The garlic butter

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When I was growing up, the Pizza Hut buffet was the height of dining

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That's the best

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Yeah, it's so good

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When Pizza Hut got rid of the buffet, it's, why?

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What's the point?

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Why even go?

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What's the point?

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Same with the KFC had a buffet for a while

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KFC's buffet was where my grandma was every Friday

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It was the best

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That was their tradition

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When Pizza Hut didn't have the buffet or anything a little bit later, we had CC's Pizza

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Oh yeah, I remember CC's Pizza

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And that was where we would go, we'd get

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That was the worst pizza

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Smoke a big blunt

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Yeah

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See how many pizzas and cinnamon rolls we could eat

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Yeah, that's what, that's what, the Pizza Hut buffet, because it's gone in your memory, you're kind of like

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That was pretty great, remember?

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CC's Pizza, garbage

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While you were there, when you were old, when you were a kid, garbage

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You think that because it's still accessible

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Like, you could actually go revisit it

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But I guess you could order a Pizza Hut pizza

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And probably, I remember that being kind of gross

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Oh, that's so gross

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Anyway, Papa John's

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Yeah

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They're terrible

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Trying new things

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My bright spot is kind of reaffirming that, I guess

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Yeah, yeah

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Anyway, what about you? What's up?

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My bright spot, Dan, is, I don't know if you've heard me talk about this before

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But there was a live-action Cowboy Bebop

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah

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So it came out, and I've watched all of it

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It is a bright spot

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Nice

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Because John Cho as Spike is incredible

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Everything else is kind of so-so

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Yoko Kanno upped it another level

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I like that John Cho quite a bit

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Oh, he's great

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Yeah

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But they did

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To think he started as one of, the most guys

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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In American Pie

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Oh, really? That's right

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Holy shit

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To think he started there, and then he went to Harold and Kumar

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And then, he's a really good actor

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He's great, yeah

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He's even good in that Flash Forward show

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That was a disaster

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But the problem with it, and the reason that the whole show is garbage

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Is because they did my man Vicious and Julia Dirty

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Oh, no

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They suck in this show

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Those are characters?

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Yeah, yeah

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In the original show, you meet Julia only at the very end

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And she's awesome

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The first time you meet her, because she's the long-lost love interest

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The one that got away in a horrible death incident kind of situation

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And then she shows up, riding a car, getting chased by bad guys

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And then firing back, and then Faye jumps in

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And they're a badass Thelma and Louise instantly

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You love Julia

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Great

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In this show, she's like

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Oh, save me all this, and then Vicious, Vicious is the shark from Jaws

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You only see him when someone's about to get their head cut off

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His name's Vicious

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His name's Vicious, right?

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In this show, he's like

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Oh, I'm gonna help you, Julia

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It's awful, it's awful

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They ruined it

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I'm sorry

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They ruined it, but otherwise, the show's great

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Okay

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I feel like I'm not gonna watch it based on

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Don't watch it, it's garbage

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Alright

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So, Jordan, today we have an episode from the past to discuss

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This is an episode of June 30th and July 1st, 2003

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Alright

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This is a monumental episode, I must say

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Because a wrench gets thrown into the gears, as it were, of some things that we've been tracking in the past

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We may have been a little wrong about some things

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And we will find out about that here today

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But first, let's say hello to some new wonks

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So first, Jenny Bento, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks, Jenny

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Thank you

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Next, Nessie, the disciple of Lady Selene, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks, Nessie

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Thank you, next, congratulations, Alex and Trevor, on your engagement

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I love you, this is Jess!

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Exclamation point, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks, Jess

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Thank you, next, Mr. Toad loves double layered carrot cake

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much, Mr. Toad

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I'm really worried that sometimes, like, names like that, that I've, like

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Right

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I've triggered an assassin or something

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Like, that's a code word

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There's a sleeper agent somewhere

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Right, you have to read the first letter of each of the names in order to get the actual message

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I'm very worried sometimes when people send me very cryptic names

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We got a technocrat to say hello to, so Sludge Factory, hello and thank you, you are now a technocrat

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I'm a policy wonk

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Crikey, mate, that's fantastic, have yourself a brew

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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Alright, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this Watson, alright?

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Let's just get down to business

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We ain't making that money off that heroin

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Why are you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large

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I declare info war on you

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So, we jump in here, end of the month, June the 30th

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Yes

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The day is the 30th

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That's 6-30, 03

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03

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Gotcha

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Three years after Y2K

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We start at the beginning of the episode here

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and Alex announces a guest that he's going to have, which is really bizarre

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Yeah

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Coming up in about 30 minutes, Mike Hansen, who's done camera work for me and worked on my TV show here in Austin

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is gonna be joining me, he runs a fireworks stand trying to raise money for his run

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for political office here in Austin, this time as a county constable

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He's running for constable

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Constable?

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Yep

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Is that a thing you can be still?

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It is, yeah

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You like deliver summonses and stuff like that

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I think you can do traffic stops

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If you're a constable

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I think so, yeah

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I think you can give people tickets, in Texas at least

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Alright, I mean, can you also work for Scotland Yard?

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Yes

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Okay, good

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So, Alex's cameraman, Mike Hansen

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He's the guy who went along with Alex and Jon Ronson to Bohemian Grove

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Alex's longtime buddy and noted weirdo

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Apparently, he is running a giant fireworks stand in order to fund his run for constable

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Right

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And apparently he also has a little bit of a history of failing to run for offices in the past

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He seems to fancy himself a bit of a political also-ran

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Well, I think what's strange about that is that despite constable being a thoroughly British word

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I don't think there's a more American thing you can do than run a fireworks stand

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Running to become a constable

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Yeah

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That's the most American, that's the Declaration of Independence

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It's not their fireworks stand, it's someone else's

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Okay

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I think

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And quite honestly, he might just have a job at this fireworks stand

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Right

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I don't know

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So, the story that Mike is gonna come on and tell is that he heard some noises in the night

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Because he also apparently sleeps at the fireworks stand

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Not sure

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Okay, alright

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He heard some noises in the night and he thought it was like an animal or something

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Sure

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So he grabbed his gun and ran out in his underwear and found people robbing the place

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Okay

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And so he held two of the three of them at gunpoint

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Okay

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And then got the police to come and they arrested him

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Wow

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And so they're thrilled because this is a good guy with a gun

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Oh, totally

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Absolutely

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This is a man who deserves to be constable

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Right

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So they, it might be Spawn-Con for his run for constable

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Yeah, it's a boring interview and Mike Hanson just tells the story and guess what?

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He comes back like two days later and tells the same story

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It's ridiculous

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It's a good story

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It is

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It's a good story

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So we got some news out of the UK here from an article in an outlet called The Scots

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The Scotsman

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They've appointed Hanson as constable

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I wish

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Interesting Scotsman story about paganism exploding in the United Kingdom and there's a photograph

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we've had to blur which you can link through to the original Scotsman article with a giant

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satanic orgy going on basically, they're all dancing around naked and it's becoming the

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fashionable thing, you know, the young people are all getting involved and they burn effigies

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and carry out these druid rituals

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Sure

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And they claim it's all fun and it's no big deal and they admit Harry Potter has helped

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promote this and now it's the fastest growing religion in the United Kingdom but they're

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also having a problem with people's dogs, cats and horses being stolen and being found

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with their hearts cut out

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Wait

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Their intestines cut out in satanic rituals but the Wiccans say that's not us

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Sure

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I failed to find evidence of this

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Also I think the fastest growing religion at this point is definitely Islaf

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Yeah, either that or, well in the UK, yes

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In the UK it's probably Harry Potterism

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I just want to say, and I want to get this out there, okay?

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Dancing around naked is a long way from an orgy

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True

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Okay, now it's not as far away from an orgy as dancing around with your clothes on

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Sure

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But it is still farther away than an orgy, you know, it takes a while to get to orgy

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There's a couple steps that are still required after this point

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Yeah

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I agree, I agree, Alex doesn't deal with that and whatever, so apparently there's a lot

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of animals that are going missing, I don't have a citation on any of this

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None?

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I think it's just sort of satanic panic adjacent nonsense

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Sounds like it

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So Alex has a commercial that he plays on this show that I found a little out of place

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I'll see if you can tell why

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I'm Patrick T. Parker for Barclay Financial, right now we're recommending the purchase

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of euro currency call options

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The budget and trade deficits are going through the roof

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The dollar is dropping worldwide

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Could the euro be poised to move higher?

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We think so

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For a free special market report on the euro currency call Barclay Financial right now

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Call 800-348-4100, that's 800-348-4100

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What?

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What?

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Uh, invest in the euro, says the most nationalist man there's ever been

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Invest in the euro, guy who thinks the EU is evil

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Yeah, and also that's not, like a call option means you think it's gonna go, you know, that

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you could be shorting it, right?

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That would be ideologically consistent, you'd be like the anti-soros shorting the globalists

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That's not what they're recommending though, they're saying the euro's poised to rise

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Yeah I thought that was very very strange

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I heard that and I'm like, you see, you have like, herb companies that are trying to save

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the Christian remnant in America

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Sure, sure

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You have the weird thing, or the weird box, or whatever the fuck that guy is

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Wow, it's a great box

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The freak box, you got the, now you're selling euros?

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What is going on?

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This is ridiculous

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I can't imagine somebody hearing a commercial from a financial group about buying or selling

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stock and thinking, well obviously they want me to make money

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Yeah, I better call and get more info

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Yeah, that's, yeah of course

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These people are really interested in strangers making money

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They've got my best interests in mind

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Yeah, for sure

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So Alex gets this call from a guy, they're discussing, this is in the context of the

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night before the caller and Alex I believe, both of them, had seen a documentary about

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like ancient Greece

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Right

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So Sparta is on the mind, and this is where we jump in with this call

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On all of our military vehicles, going back to Gulf War 1 and even prior, we now have

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like a chevron, and this is something I've noticed on the shields of all Greeks, and

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in Greek that's the letter L, and I'm really concerned as to why we dropped the star

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What the show didn't tell you was that it was a homosexual death code

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I'm sorry

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That, that held slaves

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Now and they said this is the heart of western civilization, this is what our marines are

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modeled after

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Now the one good thing that the Spartans did say was that, you know, there wasn't a question

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of fighting and standing up for what they thought was right

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See, and I stated that

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Wow, that's what you think

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That's not a question of fighting the new world order

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If you love your family, there isn't even a question

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Now that was the only good point of the film, but I found it really disturbing to see them

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really covering up what the Spartans really were

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Oh, cover up

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Ah, they've been trying to cover up that homosexual death cult for years

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Oh my god, so the caller's making an interesting association between the military and the Greek

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letter lambda, but I think this caller is a little simplistic, about just like, ah,

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it's from the shield or whatever

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If you look into it, you'll find a bunch of fraternities and sororities that are military

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in nature that use the letter lambda in their name, and even when it's not the first letter,

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like in the case of Kappa Lambda Chi, they still refer to themselves as Lambda Men

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The first women's sorority is Lambda Beta Alpha, and they even have a side organization

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for family members and ROTC cadets called the Orchids of Lambda

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The letter Lambda has been adopted by militaries throughout Western history, largely because

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it was the symbol that was on the shield of the Spartans, not of all Greeks

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The other city-states had different letters or different symbols, and the Spartans had

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this because it was in honor of their capital city, Lacedaemion

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Due to the story of the Battle of Thermopylae and the 300 Spartans who held back the Persian

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army and Xerxes, they've become the image of efficient and successful military forces

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There's a lot of aspects to this story where the details are a bit fudged, but I'm not

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here to take away any of the achievements of Leonidas, like, let him have it

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Either way, the letter Lambda is...

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Yeah, you don't want to get sued

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Right, his estate is very powerful and litigious

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Yeah

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And that's what the L is for on the shield, litigious

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The letter Lambda has had a particular significance ever since, like, throughout Western history

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And our military uses the letter to signify which company vehicles belong to, depending

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on the direction that the Lambda is facing

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Oh, that's fun

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Yeah

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I think Alex might have a slightly elementary understanding of Spartan culture, but if his

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problems with them are that they were a homosexual death cult who had slaves, he probably wouldn't

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like Athens or any Greek city-state much more

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Yeah, that was all there

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The great hero Achilles only agrees to re-enter the Trojan War after Hector kills his lover

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Patroclus and they were mermidians

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In the Theban army, there were 150 gay male couples who formed the Sacred Band of Thebes

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And the Theban army actually defeated Sparta in the battles of Tagara and Leuchetra

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And in the process, they actually unseated Sparta as the dominant force in Greece

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There were many aspects of homosexual relationships in ancient Greece, and the fact that Spartans

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engaged in some homosexuality isn't unique to them at all

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As for them being a death cult, I'm not sure what Alex means by that, so I don't know how

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to respond

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They were a culture that prioritized military strength, but I don't know if that makes them

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a death cult

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And as for the slavery thing, Sparta definitely wasn't the only city-state doing that shit

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He pretty much all did, including Athens

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I think that Alex's view of history in this case in particular is just shaped by pop culture

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things he's seen, like movies or TV shows, because what he's saying is just dumb

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Yeah

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It does not track

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It even makes very less sense considering those Greek city-states, they weren't like

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Greece, they didn't get along very well

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Yeah, there was periods of tension

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Anyway, Alex moves on from waxing philosophical about Greek history, and, look, right now

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in 2021, we know what's going on

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Forced vaccines

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Oh, sure

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Everyone's getting forced to have vaccines

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Yeah, the Greeks knew it was gonna happen too

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Here's 2003

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Bush is creating a new $6 billion fund for forced inoculation for dozens of vaccines

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Okay, so we're just doing this over and over and over again, it's always the same

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Wow, 20 years, 20 years, this is your life for Alex would be just the same two people

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being like, this is the same clip in 2003 that you got in 2005

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Oh, look at you being scared of the same thing in a completely different context and it never

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really actually comes to pass

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His life flashes before his life, his eyes before he dies, and it's just the same clip

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over and over

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It's like a boy yelling wolf

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Yeah

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That's it, it's just, it's metaphorically that

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Yep

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So Alex gets another call, he takes a good bit of calls on this show, which is fun, except

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for the actual callers, because they suck, particularly this guy who's a bit homophobic

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Go ahead, Andrew, you're on the air

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Hi, Alex, how are you doing?

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Fantastic

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I just wanted to tell you what's going on up here, I'm in Cincinnati, Ohio, and every

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day in the newspaper, I got this rag newspaper called the Cincinnati Inquirer, they should

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just change it to the Daily Hell on Earth Report

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It's every day, the Supreme Court upholds gay sex, tax is raised, and you turn in the

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back pages, it has a story about a couple of homosexuals in San Francisco raising two

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little boys and talking about how many homosexual couples are raising children out of

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And by the way, kids taken from other families, CPS grabs them for this industry, that's admitted

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fact

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Exactly, I knew that right away when I saw your article, those are children they took

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from good, from good, solid families and gave to these homosexuals

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Holy shit

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So yeah, I think I've made note in a previous episode that for a long time, Alex has had

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this bizarre theory about there being an industry run by the homosexuals to take straight people's

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children by way of CPS, which is gross, and you see it's a consistent, long-standing thing

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of his

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Yeah

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This caller is angry

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Yeah, I mean the craziest part of that is, you know, you remember 2003 and that kind

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of homophobia was commonplace, you know, and it wasn't even just tacitly permitted, you

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know, Obama famously is like, I'm evolving on gay marriage, you know, like that kind

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of thing

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It was so much different just 18 years ago

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It's true, it's true, I think, yeah, I think that there's a difference between

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Well yes

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Some latent homophobia or even active homophobia that maybe people didn't examine well and

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political-driven homophobia, and I think that you see a good deal of the latter

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Yeah

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Here on Alex's show

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So this caller sucks, and Alex gets another caller, which is, this is real interesting,

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there's another movie that came out in 2003

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So many movies

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Oh yeah, and this one is troubling

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Oh boy

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Yeah, I said, Jeff in Colorado, and I said, no, we're going to Bob in New York

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Okay

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Okay

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One of the things, just saw a preview for a movie coming out called The League of Extraordinary

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Gentlemen, it's like some big-budget Sean Connery thing coming up

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Yeah, it's a comic book

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Well, what's amazing about it is they finally ran the long enough clip where you got introduced

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to who these League of Extraordinary Gentlemen are

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And they're devil worshippers

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Wait, what?

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What just happened?

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You know, the invisible man went insane

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That was one of them, Captain Nemo, he was insane

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Dr Jekyll, you know, it's like, what, these are new superheroes that are going to save

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the world?

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Yeah, the bad guys, they're shifting a paradigm now where the bad guys are the good guys

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What

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Just now?

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Wait

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You pointed out that it was a comic book, man

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Yeah

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The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comic book began its run in 1999

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Yeah, right

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And the problem with the interpretation that's being given is that the characters in the

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movie aren't all villains

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For one, the character played by Sean Connery, Alan Quartermaine, is not a villain in the

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novels that he's featured in

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Unless you look back through a very sort of evolved prism of colonialist

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Sure, yeah, I mean, in a certain sense, any privateer is a bad guy

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But that might not have been the intention of his character

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Right, right, right, right

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He's more of just like an outsider type, like a big-game hunter and adventurer

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Many people have actually noted that he's one of the foundational influences on the

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character of Indiana Jones, who's definitely not meant to be a villain, although does some

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sketchy shit

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Sure

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Captain Nemo also isn't a villain, unless you think that people of non-European heritage

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are automatically evil

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Emma Peel was a member of the Avengers, who were crime fighters

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That was kind of her deal

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The Invisible Man wasn't a great dude, and Mr. Hyde certainly got up to no good

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But the idea that these were litera- like, all villains is nonsense

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Right

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They were just literary figures from a period of time and they were all extraordinary

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Right

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And they banded together to fight bad guys

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Yeah, it was kind of their- it was kind of their whole thing

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The movie itself is a bit of a sloppy recreation with the inclusion of Tom Sawyer as a secret

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service agent

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Dorian Gray is brought in as a villain

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But the real grand villain is Moriarty, who is the arch nemesis of Sherlock Holmes

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Right

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The bad guy is the big bad guy for Sherlock Holmes

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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This isn't a movie about making the villains into heroes, it's just a really flawed interpretation

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of this trailer that the caller saw

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But man, I'm so excited about Alex thinking they're devil worshippers and that- I want

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to hear the review

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Yeah

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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I want to hear that review

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That's so funny that he's the inspiration for Indiana Jones, because you have that same

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thing now where, like, you look back on it belongs in a museum and you're like, yeah,

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it belongs in a museum

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And then as you evolve 20 years later, you're like, no, nothing belongs in a museum, it

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should be repatriated, it should be- everything in a museum was stolen!

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Sure

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You know?

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Yeah

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And another thing about that too is that, you know, Sean Connery plays Alan Quartermaine,

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who's an inspiration for Indiana Jones, and he plays Indiana Jones' dad in the Indiana

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Jones movies

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Oh, that is interesting, ah, it's all coming together

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That's why he turned down all those big roles in order to do The League of Extraordinary

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Gentlemen

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Yeah

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Oh, that guy, a lot of money left on the table, a lot of money

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Yep

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Um, so Alex has another guest here, and this was- this was troubling to me, certainly more

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troubling than Mike in his fireworks stand

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I mean, this is out of control, let's- let's- let's go to our guest and we'll go to more

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news and your calls

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His name is a Sturt Gerstacker, he's an engineer, lives in Austin, he has a son named Alex,

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and his wife said, you need to move back with me to Ohio, according to him, I heard him

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on local radio Thursday or else, and then suddenly, well, he'll tell you the story,

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and then it gets even worse to his neighbors that wouldn't bear false witness against him

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in jail, or- or in court, and so the CPS came after them, the mother got so freaked out,

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his next door neighbor, she had a stroke and can't walk, CPS forced drug testing of them,

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no drugs were found, they're still attacking them savagely, uh, it just- it's- it's- it's

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horrible

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I'm not gonna cover this too much because this is actually the story of a really nasty

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divorce, uh, from the information I can gather, it's a situation where there was this divorce

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going on and as a part of that there was a pretty messy, uh, custody dispute, uh, I don't

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want to, uh, you know, try and delve into this, partially because, you know, in cases

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of domestic issues like this, it's really difficult to get a full sense of exactly what's

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going on from the outside

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That, having been said, I can find no evidence of his neighbors getting into trouble or having

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their children taken away because they wouldn't snitch on him

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I did find some interesting stuff in trying to learn more about this case, though

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The first thing that I found was that Stuart had a blog up trying to get his child back,

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titled thekidnappedson.blogspot.com

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I don't know what was up on that site because the earliest snapshot in the Wayback Machine

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is from when he had already changed the title of the blog to Help Me Reconcile

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There is only one post on there from April 20th, 2015 that starts, quote, I apologize

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for my previous posts on this blog, which I hereby retract in total.

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I was wrong to try to force the issue.

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I should have made it my goal from the beginning to reconcile this matter privately.

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I would guess that reconciling the matter privately wouldn't involve going on Alex's

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show to push a grand conspiracy about your divorce that Alex can use to fuel his own

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conspiracy theories about how the Child Protective Service is trying to steal people's children

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to give them to homosexual couples

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On a mostly unrelated note, I was able to find a transcript of a public hearing being

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held by the Travis County Commissioner's Court in July 2007.

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The main piece of business was about an easement on a lot near Westlake Highlands.

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After that, there was an opportunity for open questions, and in came Stuart Gerstacker.

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Suffice it to say, he came in hot, quote, I come in peace and humbly invoke

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Nope, nope, you're already, sir, you're out of here, get out of here, sir, get out of here.

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Quote, I come in peace and humbly invoke the blessings of Almighty God.

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I've come to deliver a message of peace and new hope.

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I forgive you, I love you, and I want you to be happy.

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You still have to repent your sins and make restitution from what you've stolen from

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me and others in the community, and I'm going to continue to come down and exposing the

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truth.

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Your continued presence is an abomination against this land.

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We all know that Margaret Gomez stole her seat from Mike Hanson.

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I was there on election night when the computers were repeatedly crashed and programmed in

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new vote tallies.

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Huh, sounds like 2020.

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That sounds familiar.

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What sad, sorry people you are to allow these abuses to continue.

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So I guess at this point, Mike Hanson had moved on from losing the election for Constable

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in 2003 to losing an election for the County Commissioner's Board in 2007.

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Yes.

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Which is unsurprising and maybe progress?

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I do appreciate I Come in Peace being the opening line for a few sentences later to

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wind up with, I think you're an abomination.

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That might be a little bit less peaceful.

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Stewart goes on to say, quote, your actions are an abomination in the eyes of God and

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man.

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You have become onerous to the people.

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Because of your continued abuses, I now declare a state of emergency caused by the breakdown

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of lawful power in Travis County.

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This emergency can only properly be rectified by the people of Texas acting independently

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in our sovereign capacity.

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So Stewart declared a state of emergency in Travis County back in 2007, and I'm surprised

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that didn't make the news.

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Did he ever, like undeclared, did he ever take the state of emergency?

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I think it's still active.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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But look, I mean, Stewart isn't the kind of guy who comes in with problems without solutions.

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Oh, God.

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Quote, to correct this intolerable situation, I'm taking this opportunity to announce the

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new independent state gathering.

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Basically one year from today, on the eve of July 4th, 2008, we the people are going

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to peacefully surround the Texas Capitol building and our Travis County courthouse complex,

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and we're going to camp out and have a huge party.

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There will be large, it will be large, and it will be nothing like you've ever seen,

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and it will not end until all of you have gone away.

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Then, we the people will constitute a new republic.

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Together, we the people will peacefully shake off these tyrants and give the world an independence

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day that will not ever be forgotten.

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So awesome, too, because in the transcript, you see the commissioner board response, and

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it was like, are we invited to this party?

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That's nice.

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That is a good response.

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So anyway, this guy's a bit unwell, and I'm not going to take seriously anything he has

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to say in this interview with Alex, and I think it's best we just move along from him

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and not...

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Yeah.

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No, that's a lot of hurt.

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That's a lot of hurt, man, that I... Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You can look at that county commissioner transcript and... That hippie response.

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You can get a good sense of the picture.

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You can see this blog that he had where he was trying to say that his wife kidnapped

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his son, and then a post begging for reconciliation and apologizing.

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Yeah.

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It's not worth it to... I don't want to do it.

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Yeah.

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So we'll move on.

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Okay.

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To Alex taking more calls.

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And we actually get an update from a caller who called in a couple episodes back.

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Oh, that's nice.

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Grant, go ahead.

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You're on the air, sir.

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Yeah.

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Good afternoon.

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The last time I called you guys, I told you that they confiscated my Tiger Cub, Siberian

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Tiger.

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And the next time in court after that, suddenly the doors were locked.

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They were locking the doors, so I think this thing is going to catch up with them pretty

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quick here.

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And all the court dates or the decisions the judges are making are on or before a full

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moon or a new moon.

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And so they're doing witchcraft, definitely.

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The first people that did threaten me were from Hollywood.

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Okay.

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Now I'm really confused, sir.

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Yeah.

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It's a little confusing.

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This is the guy who had his tigers taken away.

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They are doing witchcraft.

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Yeah.

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Because of the moon.

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Yeah.

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Obviously.

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Yeah.

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If it's happening on a full moon or a new moon.

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Right.

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And I mean, you would look at this and Alex would probably want to be like, all right,

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look, I don't know what you're thinking here, that the new moon means that they're doing

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witchcraft.

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Right.

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But he yells about how the release of Harry Potter on the solstice means something.

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Yeah.

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So he has no leg to stand on here.

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Yeah, this is a step too far.

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The new moon, it's not mentioned once in Harry Potter.

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I...

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Anyway, this guy, witchcraft, is being involved, taking away his tigers.

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I don't think that a judge also needs witchcraft when he can just sign an order.

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True.

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Yeah.

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I think it's really great though, being able to go back and listen to these episodes and

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see stories developing with callers.

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Yeah, that is nice.

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Specific callers call in and give updates.

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Yeah, we don't get the serialized callers anymore in the modern day.

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Well, you got Carlos is a dude who calls in all the time, but it's not really, there's

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no story to it.

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He's just mad about various geopolitical things.

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This is much more fun.

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Yeah.

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Tiger cubs.

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Witchcraft.

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This is a little bit like where are they now every few weeks.

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Yeah.

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So the witchcraft, I think, maybe gets Alex into the sort of mood where he wants to talk

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about devil stuff.

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And this is, I don't know what he's talking about here.

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I've probably seen, let me be conservative, 100 reports.

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It's over 100 in the last two months.

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We've posted hundreds on infowars.com, on prisonplanet.com of them digging up dead

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bodies of children and women in Portugal, digging up dead bodies of women and children

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in France, in Burgundy and in other areas, in Toulouse, digging up bodies in England,

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finding dead kids in England, in another area, I mean just every European country, they find

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the dead kids and they've had their hearts cut out.

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They find the skeletons of these women by the hundreds.

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And in France, this all started unraveling two years ago.

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It was reported in the BBC, London Guardian, Le Figaro, French News.

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A woman escaped who weighed like 85 pounds out of a castle.

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And she ran to the police station.

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They wouldn't help her, started pursuing her.

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She got the state police.

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They came in, found some dead women, found another woman that weighed even less than

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her in a cage.

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They said satanic rituals were done on us.

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They've now busted the mayors and police chiefs and judges and now it's gone all the

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way up to the conservatives running France.

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What?

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And now the French Secret Service has gotten involved and they're shutting down the stories.

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Witnesses are dying.

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I mean you talk about a real bloody soap opera.

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I read this stuff every week and this isn't rumors folks, they're finding the dead bodies.

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I guess they covered up the story really well.

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I feel like there's no way I would not have known about the great swath of women without

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hearts being dug up across Europe.

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And it all going back to the conservative leadership of France.

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The government.

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Everybody getting taken down.

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Constables left and right.

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It seems like if this were something that was a big deal or happened, there would be

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some memory of it.

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First of all, memory.

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I couldn't find any reports.

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No heartless dead bodies.

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No emaciated people showing up saying they were in a castle with demons.

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Nothing?

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No.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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If anybody has a lead on this, I'd be willing to explore it, but I couldn't find anything.

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Sometimes you really do think maybe this is just a recurring dream Alex has and it has

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nothing to do with anything in real life.

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It would be too surprising.

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Or it could be a chain email or something like that.

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It does not have to be strictly connected to reality.

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So here's where I have to eat a little crow.

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We've been speculating about Alex having a different backstory about Satanism in 2003

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than he does in the present.

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That might not be accurate.

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My friends, I grew up in Rockwell, Texas, very wealthy suburb of Dallas.

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I was a poor boy.

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My dad was middle class.

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And dozens of times, every group of friends I tried to be involved with, the jocks, the

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rock and roll crowd, the rich kids, especially the rich kids, tried to recruit me into Satanism.

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And I've talked about this before.

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I mean, I'd be at some girl's house, you know, who wanted to date me, you know, beautiful

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dark black hair and big old green eyes in some $15 million house.

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And they come right out and say, we're Satanists.

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You want to join us?

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And I'd say, no, thank you.

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And then when I'd say, no, thank you, I'd have the police pull me over and tell me that

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if I didn't straighten up, I'd be a dead man.

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And my family had to move to Austin, Texas to get away from this type of stuff.

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So yeah, the idea that people tried to recruit him into Satanism when he was younger, it's

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just a story that he tells less frequently in the past, but it's still part of his story.

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And that's interesting to me.

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That's very interesting.

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But also there's fundamental differences between this and the way he tells it in the present.

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But who among us has a personal story that they've told for 20 years that has not seen

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some changes to it?

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I think one as important as constant recruitment to the devil.

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That's a good point.

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That one would stick in your memory.

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Now, the way I see it, one of the fundamental differences that exists in this telling and

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in the future tellings is that here it could just be a bunch of weirdos who are into Satanism.

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Metal was big at this point when Alex was in high school.

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You could see people who are into darkness and wearing antlers.

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Anybody with his poster on their wall, I bet he was like, they're a Satanist.

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You could see that.

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In the present, the way he tells this story, the devil is actually telling these people

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to get him because he is psychic and he's going to be important to God's missions.

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They are directed by the devil.

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Yeah.

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So there's a little bit of functional difference in terms of what the story means.

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Right.

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So I think that this is different in as much as there were multiple different groups trying

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to recruit him into Satanism, which is strange.

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That is weird that the entire, how is it that the entire high school is apparently super

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into Satanism together, but they've still got jock clicks in Satanism.

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I feel like that's, although, you know, the jock Satanists bully the nerd Satanists.

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Yeah.

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That seems unfair.

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I don't think you should do that.

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I mean, do you understand the conception that he's painting to is that like all these groups

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of people within the high school are Satanists right now?

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You'd have to assume that they didn't all just one day decide at school, we're going

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to become Satanists.

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You assume their parents probably have something to do with that.

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I mean, there would have to be.

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So Alex is tried, like he meets this girl who wants to date him.

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He's over in her house.

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Sure.

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The dad is like, Hey, we should get into Satanism.

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You want to get some Satan?

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Yeah.

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Now Alex says, no, thank you.

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Which is fun.

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He's polite.

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He's polite.

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He believes in the Lord, our Jesus Christ.

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Thank you, sir.

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But I will not, um, then the police start harassing him because he rejected this call

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to Satanism.

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So you have to assume the police department is involved in the Satanism.

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This whole town is Satan driven.

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I could, I could, I could see him saying that it was just the rich people.

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Nope.

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This is the police are involved in Satan, but that's part of his backstory too is revealing

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the police.

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We're all corrupt.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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But the, the, the, well, it's fake backstory, the more sort of grounded version of it is

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that he discovered that police were dealing drugs and so that he, he blew the whistle

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on that and the police chief ran him out of town.

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He does describe his childhood a lot like the movie warriors, you know, like there's

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just different roving gangs all around and he's just trying to navigate where he's trying

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to get to.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it's highly problematic.

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That's a good way.

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Yeah.

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Yup.

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That movie.

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Highly problematic.

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It's tough.

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Highly problematic.

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Tough to watch with modern eyes.

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Don't go back.

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Don't go back.

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You can never go home again.

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No.

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Just enjoy the costumes.

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That gang looks like baseball players.

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Yeah.

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So we're done with the 30th here and we jump to July 1st.

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Okay.

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And Alex has some concerns about COG and the line of succession in the government.

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I see.

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We've got a new bill where Reg moves in to the ascension, passed others in the cabinet

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in a continuity of government system.

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They are setting up a dictatorship, my friends, and they want a constitutional convention

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and in that con-con, now being promoted by the neo-con Trojan horse forces, they can

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rewrite all the bills and legislation.

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They can change the bill of rights and constitution.

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Sure.

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Senate bill.

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Here's a new bill.

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It's not a con-con.

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It's another bill.

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Senate bill with altered line of presidential succession, Fox News, Homeland Security Secretary

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Tom Ridge could move up to eighth in the line of presidential succession, leapfrogging ten

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other cabinet members.

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So for those who don't know, Tom Ridge was the Secretary of Homeland Security beginning

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in 2003.

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The issue that Alex is playing fast and loose with here is that that position didn't exist

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prior to Tom Ridge since he was the first head of the Department of Homeland Security,

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which had just been created.

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He was a cabinet member and most of the cabinet exists in the line of succession, so it was

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felt that this position needed to be inserted into the order.

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Senate bill 148 passed on June 27, 2003, making the position eighth in line just after the

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Attorney General, but that's not all there is to the story.

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It had a counterpart in the House, HR 2319.

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That was introduced and it died in committee.

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In 2006, the U.S. code was amended to include the Secretary of Homeland Security in the

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line of succession in 18th position, or to put another way, the last person on the list.

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Wised up.

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Yeah.

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It's an interesting situation here because in a very technical sense, Alex is covering

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this news story like he's got some facts right.

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There is a real bill and it would have made Tom Ridge eighth in line for the presidency.

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It makes some sense to assume that since it passed the Senate, it might get passed in

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the House too.

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Losing that as a possibility is prudent, but I can still think if you listen to the way

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Alex is talking about this, he's hamming it up a little bit.

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Yeah.

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They're putting in a dictatorship.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to go with, I don't know if anyone cares who's eighth to 18th in line.

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It seems like- Except for the lone survivor or the designated

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survivor show.

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Yeah.

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I think that if we get to the eighth on the list, we have big problems.

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Oh yeah.

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If we get to eighth on the list, there's no country left.

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Yeah.

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We're already fucked.

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I don't know if we could handle that many people at the top of the executive branch.

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Ladies and gentlemen, the president, the vice president, the speaker of the house, the pro

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tempore president of the Senate, what's the next one?

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Attorney General of the Senate.

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Secretary of State Five?

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I don't remember.

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Yeah.

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If those people are dead, let's just go home.

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Yeah.

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Unless all of them are getting surgery at the same time, maybe we could do it temporarily,

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have the eighth in line and be president.

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That would be a big get for Kamala Harris.

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The odds of that are slim.

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And yeah, I think we have bigger issues once you're into like, Secretary of Agriculture

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has become a president.

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Oh man.

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That one's no good.

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Yeah.

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We're fucked.

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That one's no good.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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So Alex gets a call.

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He takes a lot of calls.

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It's kind of nice, this little stretch.

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And this caller has a question about a clip that is in Alex's commercial for his documentary.

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Okay.

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Paul in Florida, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Do you have the whole recording for the John Ashcroft speech about you will lose your rights,

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your liberties?

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Yes.

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Is that a long speech?

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Yeah, it's about an hour long.

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Really?

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Do you concentrate on that?

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Just that?

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He said that there is no rights being taken.

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Patriot Act 1 doesn't affect citizens.

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Charges of shredding the constitution and kangaroo courts are lies.

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If you say this, you're aiding terrorists and you will lose your liberty.

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So he says, we're not taking your liberty, but if you say we are, we'll take yours.

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And then he comes out and says, okay, it does affect citizens and there is Patriot Act 2.

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I really don't want to be in the position of sounding like I'm defending John Ashcroft

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because believe me, as a Missourian, I hate that dude.

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But at the same time, Alex is lying.

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And you can tell that he doesn't know where the clip that this guy's talking about really

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even comes from.

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He's just trying to spin a yarn on the fly.

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You can hear that in the way that he's pulling information out.

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At this time, Alex was selling a DVD and a clip of Ashcroft was featured in the commercial,

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which I will play here.

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We rip the Senator Patriot Act legislation one and two apart, piece by piece, and reveal

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the arrogance of what Ashcroft has to say about your liberty.

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You will lose your liberty.

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Homeland security, executive orders, forced vaccinations, the new prison economy, the

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total information society, the Pan-American Union, federal gun grabs, government-run white

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slavery rings, and much, much more.

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If you want to understand what the new world order really is, then my new two and a half

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hour video, Police Day 3, is for you.

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I just kept the rest of it in to give you a little taste of how he was marketing his

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materials at the time.

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I do like a good white slavery, because slavery's not that bad, but white slavery's worse.

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I think you get a sense there from the Ashcroft clip, it's just playing, you will lose your

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liberties.

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And that was from testimony Ashcroft gave on December 6th, 2001, in front of the Senate

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Committee on the Judiciary.

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It's a three and a half hour video on C-SPAN, but Ashcroft's opening statement really only

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goes about 20 minutes.

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The full sentence that clip comes from is this, quote, since 1983, the United States

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government has defined terrorists as those who perpetuate premeditated, politically motivated

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violence against non-combatant targets.

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My message to America this morning then is this, if you fit this definition of a terrorist,

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fear the United States, for you will lose your liberty.

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The editing that Alex uses is very strategic, and even though the Patriot Act sucks and

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I hate it and I hate Ashcroft, Alex has no idea what he's talking about, he's just making

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stuff up.

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Also, there is no Patriot Act 2, but there is a Sister Act 2.

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Ah!

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So we know that Alex loves fake Thomas Jefferson quotes.

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Loves him.

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Loves him.

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Now, what do you think he thinks about possibly true Thomas Paine quotes?

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Uh, oh, I think he, well, Thomas Paine, I'm gonna go with saying he loves him.

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Yep.

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Thomas Paine, one of our founding fathers, said, arms discourage and keep the invader

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and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well as property.

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Hearted mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprive the use of them.

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Again, now you know why we have FEMA on tape to recruit police, and they do it all over

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the country saying, quote, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington are terrorists, all Christians

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are terrorists.

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So the quote that Alex is using there is slightly abridged.

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Here's the full version.

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Quote, the supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian, while on the other hand

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arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe and preserve order

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in the world as well as property.

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You can see that Alex's version is conveniently missing the words like laws for some reason.

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Also, this quote is in support of people having guns, for sure, but the context of this is

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entirely missing.

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This is from a 1775 essay published in the Pennsylvania Magazine titled, Thoughts on

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Defensive War.

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It's essentially war propaganda for the fight against the British trying to persuade religious

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folks in the colonies that it was right and just for them to arm themselves to fight a

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defensive war and that their religious liberty was on the line if they didn't.

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Another important point to bring up is that scholars are not in agreement that this was

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actually Thomas Paine who wrote this article.

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He was the editor of the magazine at the time, and the essay was attributed only to quote

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a lover of peace, so many have assumed that he wrote it himself.

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However, in a 2016 book titled, New Directions in Thomas Paine Studies, the authors point

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out that there are many inconsistent things in this essay that point to it not being written

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by Paine.

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The most compelling points are that the essay includes the line, quote, the reign of Satan

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is not ended, and it treats miracles in the Bible as having literally happened, which

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are counter to the well-established deism which Paine expressed in his other writings

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like Age of Reason.

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Yeah, it would be very weird for Paine to be like, and Satan's coming after me, the

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literal Christian devil.

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It's very inconsistent with the way he writes in other contexts.

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So anyway, there's pretty compelling reason to think that this wasn't an actual quote

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from Thomas Paine, but even if it were, it's just a person trying to convince religious

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people to fight a defensive war against the British.

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Right.

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I don't know.

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He's trying to overcome that whole nasty thou shalt not kill part of war, you know?

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Gotta get over that.

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That's defensive.

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Yeah.

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See?

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So I think that this is a mishandling of this quote, at very least.

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And hey, guess what, it gets worse.

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Another way worse handling of a quote.

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Let's hear it.

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And then I've got another quote here that I wanted to read, and I've got this from the

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UN website, food is power.

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We use it to change behavior.

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Some may call that bribery.

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We do not apologize.

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Weird.

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Catherine Bernini, UN World Food Program Executive Director, 1997.

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Food is power.

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We use it to change behavior.

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Some may call that bribery, we do not apologize.

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Yeah, we know what you do to our food.

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The fluoride, the aspartame, the poisons.

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So in trying to trace this quote down, I ran into the expected problem that almost every

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website that used it was a very bizarre GeoCities-ass website full of insane conspiracy theories.

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And the quote is given with no citation or information when this head of the UN Food

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Program said this or where.

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Finally, I found a blog that claimed that Catherine Bertini, the former executive director

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of the UN World Food Program, had said this at the UN's fourth conference, sorry, fourth

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world conference on women in September 1995, which was held in Beijing.

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This is already contradictory to Alex's citation that this quote was from 1997, something smells

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fishy.

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The fourth world conference on women did in fact take place in Beijing in 1995, and you

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can find a painfully detailed collection of information about the conference on the UN's

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website, including but not limited to the text of remarks made by representatives from

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over a hundred countries, the text of comments made by representatives of NGOs, as well as

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a ton of transcripts of statements made by UN representatives.

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There's also a bunch of pictures and a video that no longer loads.

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That should be their slogan, we're the UN, painfully documented.

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Yeah.

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I was able to find the transcript of the speech that Catherine Bertini, that quote comes from,

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and I want to explain a few things about the conference before we get to the actual words

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that she said.

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Okay.

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The conference was meant to attempt to find solutions to the problem of severe gender

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inequality across the world, and one of the elements of that problem that was discussed

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was the greater food insecurity experienced by women in the developing world, either due

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to systemic issues or even just cultural preferences for sons that lead them to getting greater

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access to food, education, and other necessities at the expense of daughters.

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Right.

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Now, that being said, here is the full passage that this quote was taken from.

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Quote, let's have no illusions.

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We can't easily change the underlying beliefs and prejudices that do so much damage to women

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worldwide.

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We cannot quickly change attitudes, but we can change behavior.

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At the World Food Program, we have recognized what a valuable tool food aid can be in changing

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behavior.

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In so many poorer countries, food is money, food is power.

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In some of our most successful food aid projects, we literally pay families who do not believe

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in educating their daughters to send those girls to school.

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A little free cooking oil can go a long way.

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We trade a five-liter can of oil for 30 days of school attendance by a young girl.

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Yes, it's bribery.

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We don't apologize for that.

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We're changing behavior.

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We're giving hope and opportunity to young girls, and that is all that counts.

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Every small change in behavior will one day pay off in a change of attitude.

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So I think it's pretty self-evident what's happened here.

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The conspiracy theorists, who want to demonize the UN at every turn, have taken Bertini's

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words and selectively edited them down in a way that was specifically designed to remove

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the context of what he's saying and make it seem as evil as possible.

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This altered version of the quote is posted on conspiracy websites and repeated by Alex

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with its origins obscured or no citation given, thus making it harder for viewers to track

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down the source and judge it for themselves.

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On the one hand, this is something that's designed to demonize the UN, but the original

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statement Bertini made was about empowering women around the world to have agency, which

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is threatening to people like Alex, who work tirelessly in the service of a male-dominated

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society.

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By lying about the context of this quote, you not only make the UN look evil, you deprive

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Bertini of her point, and in doing so you turn a sentiment of the UN doing whatever

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it can to help women into proof of some kind of international racketeering and poisoning

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program.

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And I don't think that element is an accident.

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I think that's, I don't know, it's hard to imagine it's fully intentional, but it doesn't

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seem like a coincidence.

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Well, I mean, because what she's saying is this, okay?

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When we give food out to the powers that be in whatever localized nation or tribe or wherever

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we are, guess what, it exacerbates the same inequalities that we've had from the beginning

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because men run those things.

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So we're skipping past it all.

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We're going to be doing the most practical thing we can do, which is straight up bartering

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for education.

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It's not bribery, it's trade.

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You know, I'm trading you oil so that everyone's future is better.

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Well, I think that Bertini even sidesteps that and just says, like, let's call it bribery,

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because then you don't even have to have the argument.

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Yeah, because who gives a fuck?

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Let's accept the label, but let's understand what it is we're doing.

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And I just, I think that it's so wrong and so awful to see the quote portrayed the way

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Alex is portraying it and all these conspiracy theorists do, and then when you dig deeper

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and find the actual quote, see what it's actually about and what the conversation was, where

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this conference, what it was in service of, and you just see, like, this is horseshit.

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This is, I don't know, it's so dumb and dangerous.

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That's such a great thing for her to have said, though, just because it's like, just

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fuck it.

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It's, we got to do something practical because I don't care if my personal morality says

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bribery is wrong, we got to do something.

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This has got to change.

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It makes me feel like, hey, fuck it.

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Let's just pool our money together and bribe Joe Manchin a little bit more than what everybody

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else is paying him, and let's just get this done.

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You know, like, just fuck it, fine.

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You're corrupt as shit.

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We'll just play that game then, you know?

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I mean, I think...

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They would just drive up the bidding war and then no one would get anything.

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Right.

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Like, if there were, like, sort of market forces that were bribing people to not send

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daughters to school in the developing world, then you'd end up in a situation where this

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bribery would only exacerbate the problem, but since it's just a, we don't care to educate

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our daughters, perhaps, or it's less of a priority.

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It's an incentive.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think that's a little different, but I get what you're saying.

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It is different.

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Absolutely.

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Also, man, talk about missed opportunities.

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The U.S. representatives that went to that 1995 conference, Hillary Clinton and Madeleine

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Albright, Alex could have yelled about them.

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Wow.

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That would have been more fun for you.

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From the very beginning.

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It's always been there.

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Yeah.

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It's always been there, man.

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It's right there.

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So, Alex, I think, is going a little bit far afield on the Harry Potter conspiracies.

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Oh, you think?

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Yeah.

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And, oh, God.

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How far?

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I mean, I agree with you.

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I mean, in most parts, but I just don't see as, like, lately with, like, I don't see what

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J.K. Rowling and the Harry Potter books, I mean, really...

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Have you ever been in a giant satanic meeting?

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Well, I have been.

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Okay?

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I've been a stone's throw from world leaders worshipping Molech.

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Now, what's happened in the culture is they took the occult, put it in red pajamas and

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with little black horns and said it's an Anton LaVey deal, it's this kooky thing.

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Weirdos talk about it.

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The fastest growing religion, according to the FBI, according to Scotland Yard, is the

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satanic elite, is Satanism.

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They're having major arrest of public figures engaged in satanic murder cults from Belgium

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to France to Portugal right now.

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Did you know that?

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No, sir, I did not.

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And it's not like it's a rumor.

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They're digging the dead babies up, sir.

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Never.

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Do you know what the summer solstice is?

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It's a sort of wicked, it's a wicked sacred day.

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Yeah, well, that's when they released the Harry Potter book.

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So you think that's a perfect thing?

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I think it's more of a...

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They do it every year.

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That little kids dress up like witches and dance around the book teaches you how to get

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into the occult with magical thinking.

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It leads you into it.

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I mean it's hidden in plain view, sir.

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So this caller is even like, hey man, I like you, but I don't know about this Harry Potter

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stuff.

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That's how far Alex is off.

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Also he's wrong.

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They didn't get, the books don't get released every year on the solstice.

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This is just his perception of it because it's a fun story.

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It is fun.

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But I like this whenever a caller is somebody who's not like totally bought in.

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Yeah.

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Someone who's like, I'm inclined to believe some of the things you say.

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And I do believe that maybe the powerful don't have our interests in at the front of their

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list.

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Agreed.

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But man, Harry Potter, are you fucking kidding me?

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It's just a book, dude.

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Are you going to come at me and tell me that the movie witches starring, uh, what's their

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faces or not witches, the three hocus pocus, hocus pocus.

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How are you that good?

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That's amazing.

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They have references.

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Yeah.

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Is that like a, is that like a teaching?

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Oh, well fair.

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I mean, he's already complained about like Sabrina, the teenage witch.

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It's true.

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He really has gone after every, everything innocuous.

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So Alex really wants a win from this caller.

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He wants to get him over onto his side and I don't think it's working.

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They admit they go to the Grove every year.

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They're members of skull and bones.

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Okay.

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Well then they are saying that, so I'm saying that JK Rowling is not part of the global

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elite nor is she a Satanist.

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I believe she's just writing children's books.

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Yeah.

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She writes these books about, about learning the occult, doing the rituals, and then the,

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an obscure scholastic, you know, educational publisher gets picked up by the big boys and

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promoted wall to wall and public schools everywhere pay to have the kids get in buses and go see

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the movies.

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I mean, it's ridiculous.

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It's a gateway into the occult.

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Of course the Wiccans say it's all white magic and fun and they're loving and come on out

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to our orgies.

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It's a lot of fun, young people.

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And then it leads them into the occult and black magic, sir.

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Okay.

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I grew up watching it in Dallas, Texas.

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It's real.

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Okay.

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It's real.

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This stuff is real.

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It's everywhere.

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It's all over the place.

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CBS is symbol Viacom symbol, a time Warner symbol, a fidelity financial symbol.

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All these things are say panic symbols.

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It's everywhere, sir.

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Oh, I, I mean, I, I, I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this issue.

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I don't, I don't see that she's part of the global elite and I guess you told you, sir,

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that her book is being promoted wall to wall.

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Okay.

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And that it, and that it is shifting the youth over.

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Did you know the fortune 500 are pushing the new age and meditation and all that?

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That doesn't surprise me.

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Those people are always into that kind of, uh, two H two H.

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Have you read the books?

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I've not read the books.

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I've seen the movies.

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I don't.

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I'm not a Potter fan.

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I've read two of them and let me tell you, sir, and I have, I have official black magic

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books.

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Okay.

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I have read this stuff.

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I have studied it.

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I've been in some of the most extensive libraries on it.

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Text Mars is library that fills two whole rooms, wall to wall books.

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And let me tell you, it is satanic bottom line, sir.

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I like, I like the condescending way Alex keeps saying, sir, uh, I like how Alex is

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just grasping at straws, like Viacom symbol.

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It's all satanic.

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I mean, that's wild.

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And I like that this guy has a little backbone, like, I guess we've got to agree to disagree

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on this cause you're not going to change your mind and I'm certainly not going to change

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my mind.

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I do think it's so funny to say, I guess we'll have to agree to like, that's the most infuriating

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thing you can say to Alex because he can't, he cannot agree to disagree.

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No.

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You are wrong.

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Well, and you have to accept that he's right because his, uh, relationship with being right

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is so fragile.

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Yeah.

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Oh, it's tenuous at best.

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Yeah.

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The, the idea that anybody could talk to him and not agree with him, they either have to

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be like paid by the enemy, the enemy themselves, or it's just, it's, it's impossible because

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he has to believe that he has access to all of the most real truth or else all of this

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is bullshit.

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Okay.

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Here's a larger thing.

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Here's the, in fact, maybe the largest thing.

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Okay.

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Magic is real.

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In Alex's estimation, he has real black magic books.

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He does.

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Is it possible for Alex to perform black magic and he simply chooses not to?

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I mean, it must be right.

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At least in his mind.

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Right.

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You know, Tex Mars is not the best reference you want to have for, uh, his giant library

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that's probably full of neo-Nazi books.

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Yeah.

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That one might be a little bit.

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That one, I wouldn't carry that one around with me.

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That's your first poll.

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I think we're in trouble.

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Look, I studied the occult with Tex Mars.

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Oh no.

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Oh no, buddy.

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I mean, I studied the occult with, uh, with this guy now I know his last name is going

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to put you off.

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It was Hitler, but he was super into it.

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Dave Hitler.

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So this caller really knocks it out of the park.

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I just don't know really what to say.

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I mean, I guess, I don't know.

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I just lately, I've just been seeing like some things have just been, I think you've

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been going off on some tangents on the show and let me say yesterday with the caller with

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the whole, a lot of, I've heard a lot of homophobic undertones going through the show too.

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And it's just kind of turns me off as to the work that we're doing.

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I mean, I think it kind of, Mike, let me just tell you something.

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When the homosexuals stop working with CPS to take people's kids, I mean, where do you

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think they're getting all these kids for their, for their so-called families?

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When they stop aggressively promoting it in the schools and start leaving our families

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alone, they'll get left alone.

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You don't, you don't know how aggressive a lot of the homosexuals are in their movements.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Oh boy.

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So I think that caller is like, it's fantastic.

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Like that, when I heard that, I was like, that's exactly what I thought that call was

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really homophobic.

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That was a really homophobic call.

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And you know, hearing that being voiced on the show is really interesting because that's

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the kind of thing that you'd like to see what Alex's response is.

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And his response is apparently so-called families, do you know how aggressive these, these homosexuals

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are?

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That's not good.

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No.

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They start leaving our families alone and we'll leave them alone.

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Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

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Man, that's, it's, it's so weird.

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It's so weird to hear this type of shit and then see it so latent still in the present.

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It's still there.

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You know, he doesn't, he doesn't openly talk about it like, like that.

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He does a little bit.

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Exactly.

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It does a little.

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Like there isn't, it's entirely possible to backslide shortly into a place where he can

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just go around saying, yeah, these so-called homosexual families, like that's a very possible

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thing.

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I think, I think, I think it's already still there.

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I think it is.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it could, yeah.

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Oh boy.

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That sucks.

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That sucks.

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Yeah.

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It exists.

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It exists in his insistence that the LGBTQ movement is trying to normalize pedophilia.

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Yeah.

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It's all there.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's just sort of transitioned the exact focus of it, but the same hatred and intolerance

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of people who are not straight white male Christians is, is just there.

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It's there.

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It's been there.

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Deep.

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Endemic forever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That was great.

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In terms of calls.

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And then Alex gets another call and Alex is just, he's pissed.

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He's done.

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Uh, I'm not going to put you on the spot here, but, uh, you tell us to support your sponsors.

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You got a sponsor supporting your show.

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I don't know how it got through Genesis, our Clay Financial, you know about them?

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No, I don't.

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Okay.

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You know what?

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Uh, I mean, I, I think I've had enough of this right now.

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This show is about fighting the new world order.

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My broadcast is about covering the news and I am not going to sit here on my show and

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talk bad about sponsors.

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So this is the sponsor that also caught my attention.

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That was the commercial selling Euro.

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Wow.

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And so we got a caller who brings that up.

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Those were, those were on the ball callers back then.

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Yeah.

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It's pretty sweet.

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And I love Alex has been like, wow, about over this.

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That's so funny.

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I'm about overhearing negative feedback that is well deserved.

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That sucks.

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That is so.

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I much prefer it when people blindly accept whatever I say and tell me I'm a genius.

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Just because Barkley Financial is by all accounts, exactly the type of globalist organization

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that I am exactly fighting against doesn't mean I'm going to talk bad about them if they

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sponsor my show.

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Yeah.

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So they're, they're a financial outlet that is advocating buying Euro and they paid for

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ad time and were accepted by Ted Anderson and Midas Resources.

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Right.

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Um, that's confusing.

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It doesn't seem ideologically consistent.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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So, um, we come to the end of this cause the rest of the show isn't really, it's boring

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as hell.

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He's about done with this.

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He's literally done with this.

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He said it very clearly.

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Yeah.

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Oh, also Dan from Illinois called back in.

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Oh, did he?

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Yeah.

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So that was nice.

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You're a traitor, Dan.

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Uh, there's nothing, there's nothing really that comes up, but I wanted to make note of

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it.

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My boy, Dan from Illinois.

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Gotta get it in there.

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Yeah.

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He's, he's apparently a pretty consistent caller back in 2003.

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You guys should meet.

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Yeah.

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Never.

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Exactly.

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Um, so yeah, I guess that brings us to the end of this.

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Uh, and I think I, I would like to just acknowledge that, uh, I was a little hasty in my assumption

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that Alex didn't talk about how he was recruited into Satanism back in 2003 for fear of being

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seen as crazy.

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He did.

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He did, but I think that there are salient differences between them that make the present

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day version far, far crazier than the past version.

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Uh, and he talks about it less, but, but still, Hey, yeah, I mean this, this is fairly tame

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and you could even argue that it's just a poetic exaggeration to say that all the jocks

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and all the, all of them were Satanists taken on like on its face, what he's saying, the

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implications of it are nuts.

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They would involve an entire town dedicated to Satan.

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Right.

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Which would be a great movie.

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Uh huh.

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I think it's been made a couple times.

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I think it's been made a few times.

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Yeah.

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Um, but yeah, real deep, deep homophobic leanings throughout bananas.

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And I really thought that that UN food program quote was something that like, that is such

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a good distillation of the way that information is weaponized by conspiracy theorists.

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People like Alex, they deprive a very, um, reasonable and appropriate quote about one

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issue and to being about something entirely different and strip it of all of the context

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that makes it make sense.

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It turns it evil.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it's, it's, it's something that people should be very aware of.

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And when you have quotes and information that comes from these dubious sources, it's always,

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it's always important to figure out what is actually being said by the people as opposed

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to what's being claimed to have been said.

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Yeah.

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Um, and uh, yeah, that's a point I'd like to drive home.

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Oh yeah.

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Do you know where I learned that from?

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Thomas Jefferson.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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I interrupted you.

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I mean, uh, ultimately it is, it is probably their most powerful tool, right?

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The ability to take something that someone is saying that you cannot not agree with unless

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you're a monster.

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Right.

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I think it's a regular tactic.

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Yeah.

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But I think that their most important tool is, uh, well that's important, blind trust.

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It's a sense of complacency and people just believing these things without looking into

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them themselves.

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Yep.

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I think that that's their most important tool.

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Yeah.

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But this strategy of, yeah, weaponizing, uh, like sensible quotes into evil.

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Into the evil.

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Yeah.

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That's a technique that's used a lot.

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Brutal.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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So anyway, Jordan, we'll be back.

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Indeed we will.

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But until then we have a website.

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Uh, we do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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It's on Twitter.

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It's that knowledge underscore fight.

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And I go to bet Jordan.

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Yup.

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We'll be back.

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But until then I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I'm Daryl Rundis.

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Thank you so much for having me.