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Latest revision as of 00:02, 2 March 2025
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Andy in Kansas, Andy in Kansas.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your room.
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knowledgefight.com, knowledgefight.com.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledgefight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex
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Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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I have a quick question for you.
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Sure.
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What is your bright spot today, sir?
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My bright spot today is a little bit like sort of on the cusp.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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And that is that on your recommendation, I've watched some later season episodes of The
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Amazing Race.
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Right, right, right.
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Globetrotters?
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No.
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Damn it, Dan.
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Well, I don't know how to find that season.
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Oh, I know.
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Well, I guess I could Google it.
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Don't worry about it.
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But I watched one that was the, it had the Sri Lankan twin sisters.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They're great.
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Nadia and Natalie.
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They're great.
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They were on Survivor one season.
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No shit.
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Yeah, I knew them from Survivor.
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Oh, wow.
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Okay.
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No fun.
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That is fun.
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But I guess the bright spot is like, I hate these contestants.
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I hate most of them.
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They kind of all suck, and they're poorly drawn characters.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Most of them are like, you're playing up whatever the fuck you're supposed to be playing up.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You're a monster truck person, so every task has to be related to a monster truck somehow.
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Sure, sure.
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Ooh, I'm carrying tons of bamboo.
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Ooh, this is like a monster truck tire.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Oh, man.
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It's nuts.
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There's a couple of seasons where you have like a father and son duo.
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I kind of like that.
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And they are fucking straight up cats in the cradle level, like, you know, I didn't get
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to spend as much time with him when he was young.
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Like that shit, you just watch it and you're like, okay, fine, I'm crying the whole time.
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I started the second season and there's a dad and son team and the dad had prostate
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cancer.
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See what I'm saying?
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And then his son got testicular cancer.
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No!
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And the dad just is almost crying, talking about watching his kid go, oh, this is talking
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to the heartstrings.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, yeah, generally speaking, the characters suck.
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Oh, they're the worst.
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And some of it seems incredibly false and acted poorly, but it's kind of enjoyable in
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a way that is like, I really dislike these people.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You get a kind of charge out of that.
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Maybe that's why people like reality TV.
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My favorite part though is all the challenges, you know, how they show up somewhere and they're
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like, you can go to this one or you can go to this one.
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They always make it seem like it's such a huge choice and you have to go like across
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the entire way.
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But if you, if you like every now and then you can get a glimpse and they're like right
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next to each other.
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Right.
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Right.
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It's across the street.
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The camera pans.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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You accidentally see it.
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It's like, no, you just turn left or right.
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Yeah.
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That is fun.
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And I'll also be like, sometimes the things they have to choose between doing, because
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you know, when they get, for anyone who hasn't watched the show, when they get to a thing
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called a roadblock, they will have a choice of two different tasks.
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They have to do one of them.
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Yeah.
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And like sometimes they're about as hard as each other.
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And sometimes one of them is, it requires a Herculean effort, and the other one is like
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eat a croissant or something like that.
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No every now and again, you'll see somebody at there, they'll, they'll just have a couple
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of scenes.
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And then the third one, they're like six hours later and you're like, Jesus fucking Christ.
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Yeah.
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And these people thought it was going to, they thought they were choosing like the simple
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solution.
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Like one was like, oh, we have to stack watermelons into a pyramid.
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No, it's fucking hard.
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And now the sun is setting and you're getting a divorce.
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It's like, okay, balance this bottle on your head or find the earth's mantle.
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Yeah.
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Okay, fine.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, it's a dumb show.
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I hate it.
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It's kind of enjoyable.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Kind of.
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Anyway, what's your bright spot?
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First of all, is I went to a whiskey fest.
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My partner and I went to whiskey fest a couple of years ago.
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My partner's mom bought us tickets.
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That's kind of the, the, one of the things that we really have in common, you know, is
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a scotch.
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Exactly.
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So we were going to go, it was going to be a whole bonding experience.
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We're going to do the whole thing.
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Then, you know, there was a thing, a couple of years go by and yeah, no big deal.
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Whiskey fast.
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Yes.
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Whiskey fast was canceled.
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That was the main thing that happened last year.
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TBD.
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So, so we were going to go, but then she's, she's of the elderly persuasion, so she had
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a bit of an illness.
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She couldn't make it and you couldn't make it and my partner couldn't make it.
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She was supposed to be getting a tattoo, so I was going to go alone.
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That would have been the saddest and after I went, it would have been a million times
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sadder than I could have imagined.
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Luckily my partner's tattoo fell through.
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Okay.
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So I went and I, it was not what I was expecting.
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Okay.
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I thought it was going to be like a tasting thing, like super fancy, tiny bits, totally
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that kind of thing.
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It was, you, you did taste little tiny bits, but it was more of like a car show.
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Hmm.
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Like, Oh, people with their wares.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like Jack Daniels had a big old thing and they're, you know, it was, it was very strange.
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It was not what I was expecting and we stayed there.
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Is it literally what I was expecting when you said, I didn't, I don't know what I was
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expecting.
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I just don't.
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I think you were, you saw, you pitched it to me as something that was like high end
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classy.
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That's what she told me.
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You got to wear a suit.
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That's what, that's what the, my partner's, I think, I think what happened, I think what
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happened is it was going to be that I doubt it.
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And then COVID happened and they're like, okay, well let's just make it.
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I doubt it.
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It could be.
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If Jack Daniels was there, it was never that.
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It was so weird because I did not sell or distribute scotch or bourbon or any types
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of whiskey.
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And I'm just there and they're like, okay, next we have a seminar.
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I'm like, what am I doing here?
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I'm not going to a fucking seminar.
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You didn't want to have a whiskey seminar?
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I don't want to go to a seminar.
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But what if the seminar was full of booze?
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What if it was a seminar on drinking bahouche?
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I'm sure it was.
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I'm sure it was.
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There was a really great peanut butter whiskey.
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Oh, I'm sure.
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Oh, I've had that.
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I had that at a bar like a year or two ago.
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I was shocked by how good it was.
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I was with somebody who was like a bit of a snob too, and they're like, this is, this
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is fantastic.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It was really good.
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I think one time I also got it with the Not a Health Ranger when he was in town.
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Oh, nice.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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It was fantastic.
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And the lady just was like, okay, I'm going to pour some cranberry juice in here and this
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is going to blow you away.
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Oh man.
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Peanut butter jelly sandwich baby.
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Peanut butter jelly sandwich.
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Right on.
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Right on.
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Wonderful.
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So, not bright spot.
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As promised, we will be looking at the old Tucker Carlson documentary Patriot Purge.
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Oh boy.
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That Alex Jones claims he did some background work on and probably is going to take credit
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for.
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Of course.
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I wrote the whole thing.
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Right.
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Tucker is actually me.
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I had prosthetics.
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We did a face off kind of thing.
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That would be interesting.
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Yeah.
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I would accept a face off.
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Anyway.
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Yeah.
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I mean, this documentary sucks.
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Who won?
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Did the Patriots win?
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I don't know what that would mean.
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Well, I mean, were they purged?
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No, but it doesn't look great by the end of the documentary.
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So there's going to be a sequel.
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It's kind of like the Empire Strikes Back?
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There's trouble.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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The Patriots have dark clouds looming.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Gotcha.
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Ali Alexander's hand was cut off.
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Got it.
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Boo.
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So we'll get to business on that and all the myriad ways it's terrible.
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But before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some wonks.
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So first, Librarian Mobile.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much, Librarian.
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That could be Librarian Mobile.
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Could be Librarian Mobile.
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I'm not sure.
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From Mobile, Alabama.
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Alabama.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Next, we'll be back, but until then we have a website.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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People like to have fun.
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Thank you.
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Next, John Ware Does Care.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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There you go.
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Next, Best Waifu Kane.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Let's go.
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Next, Donkey.
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Hey.
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Also.
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Just Donkey.
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Oh, Donkey.
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And I also want to say happy belated birthday.
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Oh, okay.
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I missed a message.
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All right.
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Sorry about that.
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Several months ago.
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No, it was just last month.
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It's still.
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Hey, what's up, Donkey?
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Also, Jordan.
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We got one technocrat in the mix here.
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Interesting.
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So I'd like to say hello and thank you too.
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I'm not a big fan of paranoid, bigoted, narcissistic jazz.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Crikey, mate.
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That's fantastic.
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Have yourself a brew.
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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All right.
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We got to go full tilt boogie on this Watson.
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All right.
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Let's just get down to business.
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We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why are you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large.
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I declare info war on you.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes.
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I think Mingus actually was the one who originated paranoid, narcissistic jazz.
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Charlie Mingus?
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Yeah, I think so.
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I think it was Fats Waller.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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It's Fats.
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Had to have been.
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Had to have been Fats Waller.
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Had to have been Fats.
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You like that?
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You like that pull?
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I did.
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I liked it.
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I liked the complete randomness of you pulling Fats Waller.
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Who knew Dan knew a couple jazz names?
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No, not at all.
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That you knew that one is just a weird...
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Can I actually tell you why I know that name?
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Yes, I would like to.
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So in...
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What would it have been?
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Middle school, I think?
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I was in the acting club or acting class or whatever.
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And we did a musical called We Has Jazz.
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Okay.
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And there weren't enough people to play all of the roles.
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So I played Riff, who was the main kid who was super into jazz.
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Sure.
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But I also had to play a jazz musician at another part in the play.
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Okay.
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And I was Fats Waller.
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Nice.
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Right.
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And that stuck with you forever.
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At least the name.
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I like it.
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I can't...
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I'm sorry, but I cannot imagine any story of you before eighth grade where you don't
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still have the exact same voice you do right now.
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Like eight years old, you've got a deep sonorous...
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As a baby, I came out to the womb with this baritone.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I also look back at my younger years and I project my voice and beard onto my younger
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self.
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It's hard not to.
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Yeah.
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So Jordan, we're going to talk here about this Patriot Purge.
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Sure.
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And it's very closely related to a lot of Alex Jones stuff.
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So it feels in the ballpark.
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And I texted you about this.
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I think that there is a shocking overlap and then some really particularly important differences
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between the kind of stuff that Tucker is putting out here and the stuff that Alex puts out
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routinely.
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And I hope that that is something that we can explore and think about as we go through
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this content.
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Good.
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So the first important thing that I want to point out and I think is really important
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to understand about this series of documentaries is that they're designed to be just as much
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of a marketing campaign as they are an exploration of the events of January 6th.
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They were very specifically aired only on Fox Nation, Fox News's online streaming platform
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that requires a subscription to access.
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The platform allows Fox to disseminate some of the more fucked up content it would like
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to air normally, but doing the kind of stuff that might attract a little bit too much heat
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if it was on broadcast television.
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That could be a little much.
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For instance, they're currently on season eight of a show called The Furman Diaries
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where disgraced detective Mark Furman discusses important criminal cases from history.
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Wait, what?
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Season eight.
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Season eight?
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Yep.
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This exists?
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Yeah.
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Weird.
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The Furman Diaries, which were 13 hours of recorded interviews where Furman said all
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sorts of racist shit and also discussed how he's an active participant in racist policing
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practices.
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Well, I mean, that's why you give him an online show.
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From the transcript.
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And I'd like to point out again, when I say N, that is a hard R.
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Oh boy.
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Quote, N driving a Porsche that doesn't look like he's got a $300 suit on.
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You always stop him.
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Hmm.
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Another excerpt.
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Quote, first thing, anything out of an N's mouth for the first five or six sentences
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is a fucking lie.
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Great.
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I mean, you know, that's a little arbitrary.
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Sure.
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Or what about this?
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This is a discussion of how he treated a suspected gang member.
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Uh huh.
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Quote, we basically tortured them.
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The four policemen, four guys, we broke them.
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Their faces were just mush.
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They had pictures of the walls with blood all the way to the ceiling and finger marks
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of trying to crawl out of the room.
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Ha ha, we're Nazis.
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Ha.
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Great.
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There's plenty more where that came from, but the point is that not only is Mark Furman
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a giant pile of shit as a person, his expertise as a cop is also worthless.
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But Fox nation has made eight seasons of a show where he's presented as a credible expert
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and the host.
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Wow.
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Which is terrible.
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Wow.
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A fellow piece of shit, Nancy Grace has a show on the network along with your good buddy
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Robert Jeffress.
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Oh man.
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And a whole deluge of boring ass Fox news style content.
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According to an article in Forbes in June, 2020, the Fox nation had between 200,000 subscribers
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somewhere in that range, which is not super great numbers for the platform.
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You know that Fox news gets 11 million viewers and shit.
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Then in February, 2021, it was announced that Tucker Carlson had signed a deal to create
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Fox nation exclusive content, including his chat show, Tucker Carlson today, and his allegedly
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in depth investigations called Tucker Carlson originals.
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Say what you want about this guy, but he is incredibly good at making sure his name is
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front and center on every project that he does.
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Crossfire was really just about the bow tie, but now that he's a man, every project is
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Tucker Carlson something or it doesn't get made.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm not getting out of bed unless the project's named Tucker Carlson something.
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Get that man a contract to do the next Medea.
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You know, like that's what we got to do.
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Tyler Perry does put his name on everything presents.
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Exactly.
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That was actually a little bit more acceptable because not every movie is Tyler Perry, Tyler
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Perry, Medea.
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That's fair.
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That's fair.
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Tucker Carlson presents a chat show.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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I can see that.
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Instead of Tucker Carlson today, it seems a little bit, um, desperate.
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So as you might expect by May, their subscription numbers had gone up 40% after Tucker Carlson
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started making exclusive content on there.
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Great.
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Tucker Carlson is the marketable franchise player that Fox has.
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So his face and his shows are really essential to attracting viewers to the Fox nation platform
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where they might also be drawn towards programs like hearing Mark Fuhrman's dumb takes or
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Ooh, you could watch Geraldo's a reboot of cops.
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Anyway, this is an important dynamic to understand when you begin approaching a topic like covering
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this documentary Patriot Purge, at least some element of this presentation is meant to attract
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backlash, which will in turn increase subscriber counts for Fox nation.
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This isn't to say that nothing in the documentary series is sincere.
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It's just important to recognize that some of the marketing and branding surrounding
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it was intentionally sensational for the sake of driving traffic and selling subscription.
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Sure.
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Of course.
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With that caveat out of the way, we could begin to touch on the meat of this show.
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I've watched the series a few times and the argument is this as best as I can tell.
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Okay.
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So I also need to clarify that the messaging of these three episodes is a little bit out
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of sync and there's a couple of points where logic seems internally inconsistent, but there
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is essentially an overarching conspiracy that's being pushed.
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A group of folks who aren't specified, maybe the deep state, maybe the globalists, maybe
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the permanent government whomever you want, they're lying about and mischaracterizing
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the things that happened on January 6th in order to present white conservative Christians
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as terrorists because they want to use the national security apparatus and the Patriot
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Act against the right wing.
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Sure.
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People have tried to denigrate Tucker by saying he's going full info wars, but they may not
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know exactly how right they are.
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This documentary is a slicker but less yell-filled presentation of conspiracies that Alex has
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been pushing for like 20 years.
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The real substantive difference that I can identify is that in Alex's version of the
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story, passing the Patriot Act was specifically for the reason of eventually using it against
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white people, whereas in Tucker's telling, it's kind of just a happy accident for the
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bad guys.
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Oh, well that's, I mean, good for them.
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Sure, yeah.
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Good for the globalists to catch a break, finally.
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It is nice for them to not have to worry about one aspect of their plan for once.
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Yeah.
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Alex loves Tucker and this documentary, but if I were Alex watching this, I'd be terrified
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and feeling about as obsolete as Woody in Toy Story 3.
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If I were him, I would also realize that it's 100% time to innovate.
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As Hunter S. Thompson said, when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro, and there
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is no one weirder than Alex Jones.
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If he wants to have any chance of retaining the mantle of the king of the fucked up right
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wing mountain, he's gonna have to take some kind of a big narrative risk, you know, because
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he's got to start beating his own path through the woods.
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Yeah.
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Otherwise, he's useless.
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Yeah.
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He's gonna be left in the dust.
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There's better funded and less clearly insane demagogues who apparently can push the same
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sort of shit that he does.
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Does he want to be someone who's just riding along behind Tucker?
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Right.
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He has a fucking ego the size of Texas.
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Right, right, right.
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He's not gonna do that.
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Yeah, I mean, inevitably were he to become successful, he would lead to his own obsolescence.
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That's fairly regular, you know?
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At the very beginning, if he's so far out there and he succeeds enough to drag everyone
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to him, then there's gonna be better people.
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Yeah.
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Because he actually sucks.
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The way I kind of look at this, and I feel like it may play out, is that right now, Alex
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and Tucker are in an uneasy tag team in the wrestling world.
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You know, they're a tag team of people who maybe haven't gotten along in the past or
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whatever, but they're really just a tag team until they inevitably break up and fight each
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other.
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Right, right, right.
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Sooner or later, Tucker's gonna hit Alex with a chair.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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And that will be the blow off to the feet.
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Exactly.
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And that's, I guess, probably coming down the road.
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That'll be fun.
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Um, I wish Alex all the worst with whatever's coming.
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As for me, I had a really difficult time trying to figure out how to cover this shit.
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I think over the course of this, you'll see, like I said, so there's some real similarities
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that the presentation has to Alex's work, but also some really important differences.
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It was my sincere intention to cover all three parts of the series, but I think you'll see
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why it would just be impossible without me throwing my laptop out the window.
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I did watch the series in its entirety a few times, but today we're just talking about
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the first episode, which is densely packed with complete bullshit.
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On our next episode, I'll try to cover a bit about how Alex has talked about the release
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of the documentaries, which is kind of like, I don't know, a less fun version of my Kara
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Vanity project.
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I was trying to come up with a good pun for the name of the series, but all I could come
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up with is Dan's a sucker for Tucker and an homage to the great 1999 album by Corrupt,
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The Streets is a Mothertucker.
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I'm going to go with, how about Hatriot Durge?
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Not bad.
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I was kind of trying to make a Tucker pun.
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Yeah.
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I was just trying to pun off the general vibe there.
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I don't know how to make a Tucker pun other than like, I'm going to throw a fucker in
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there.
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Yeah, I can't not.
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I'm going to throw a fucker on the streets as a mothertucker.
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So let's start off here at the beginning of the documentary where sort of laying out the
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theme, the premise and playing a bunch of clips that are in support of his narrative.
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In the years after 9-11, the media and the national security state, you can't distinguish
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between Al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror, used exaggerated
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threats and outright deception contacts between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's regime.
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There are others.
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We know they have weapons of mass destruction to associate certain ideas with certain events.
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9-11, Saddam Hussein, weapons of mass destruction.
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This was the first war on terror.
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Now it's happening again.
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Ooh.
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So the argument that opens the first episode is almost staggering in its presentation.
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So this is basically like an SAT kind of formulation where lying about weapons of mass destruction
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after 9-11 is to the Iraq war as blaming white supremacists for January 6th is to the coming
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purge of all white Christian conservatives from society.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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It's kind of dumb and flimsy on its face, but also Tucker was all about the war in Iraq
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when it started.
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Fucking loved it.
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And he was in favor of the Patriot Act.
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So loved it.
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He was in favor of the Patriot Act.
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What an idiot.
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It's interesting to me how he conveniently ignores that he was the people he's talking
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about.
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You know, he's like, oh, the people who pushed the bullshit to support him, fair one.
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Yeah, I was going to say.
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Great that he turned against it eventually, but we'll talk about that later.
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Sure.
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Anyway, he seems to forget his own past a bunch.
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That's a very consistent pattern.
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It's very helpful to forget your own past whenever you are exactly the thing that you
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are telling people to hate.
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Sure is.
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Before we go any further, I wanted to take a moment to discuss people and the crew in
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this documentary, people who worked behind the scenes, because if you check out a little
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bit of this, you might end up seeing that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
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The two credited writers of this film are Tucker and a guy named Scooter Downey.
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Scooter is a filmmaker who directed Lauren Southern's latest offering called Crossfire.
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Okay, here's the problem.
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Here's the problem.
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Problem number one.
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Right.
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You can't have like, okay, here's Hitler's minister of propaganda, Scooter.
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No, it's got to be Goebbels.
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It's got to be something scary.
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It can't be Scooter.
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Scooter's the leader of the SS, uh, wibbly.
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Exactly.
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Fuck you.
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Quit being evil if your name's Scooter.
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So yeah, I agree.
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Scooter's a fun name.
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Yeah.
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So he directed Lauren Southern's latest movie called Crossfire.
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This was of course the follow up to her completely full of shit films, Farmlands and Borderless.
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So anyone who would work with her after that point automatically is suspect in my book.
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Scooter was also the director of a film called Hoaxed.
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You see, this was an attempt to make a documentary about how the media is all fake news and they
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lie to claim that people like Alex Jones, Mike Cernovich, James O'Keefe, Gavin McGinnis,
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Lauren Southern, and Stefan Molyneux are liars.
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They have to lie to make them look like liars.
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Right, right, right.
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And this is proven by interviews with Alex Jones, Mike Cernovich, James O'Keefe, Gavin
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McGinnis, Lauren Southern, and Stefan Molyneux.
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I kind of think that they might have a, I think they might have a conflict of interest
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as far as...
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Yeah.
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Kind of seems like there's a pattern developing in Scooter's work.
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Could be.
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The rest of the crew is mostly Tucker's team from Tucker Carlson Tonight and Fox Producers,
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but this Scooter character being the only other credited writer on this project, it's
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a pretty interesting staffing decision.
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And by interesting, I mean transparent.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It doesn't get, it doesn't get more obvious than that.
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See now, this is the problem though.
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Now that we're going from a CNN piece to this, I'm sitting here like, why isn't Tucker saying
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something?
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On September 11th, we were listening to Jay-Z, and now they're starting World War III.
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Like I can't not do it.
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It's gotta be there, man.
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You gotta stop it.
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Where's Scooter?
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Scooter, get on this!
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That's what he's doing!
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I don't like your rhyming, please don't do that anymore.
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Okay, fine.
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So the, look, this is going to take forever.
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Yeah.
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To get through.
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Okay, I gotcha, I gotcha.
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We will be here for a week.
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I'm done.
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No more puns.
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Tucker is talking about how they're trying to make you afraid of like, the white army,
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the white terror army that's behind all of the stuff like this.
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Oh, they don't need to make me afraid.
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The very same corrupt interest in Washington that pushed the Iraq war under false pretenses
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are now pushing the lie of a domestic white terror army.
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Terrorism for white supremacy is the most lethal threat to the homeland today.
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So I don't know if it's Colin Powell who's, I mean, he just died.
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Um, I don't know if it's the people who are pushing the Iraq war.
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Is Condoleezza Rice behind trying to make us afraid of January 6th?
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I don't know.
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She's probably for it.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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So I don't think anyone is saying that there's a white terror army.
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That's just Tucker creating a ludicrous straw man to argue against, since he really doesn't
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have a leg to stand on against a real argument, which is there's a bunch of violent white
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supremacist and white nationalist groups, many of them who are either ideologically
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aligned with the quote, Trump secretly won the 2020 election campaign or who recognize
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that that's a really fertile recruiting pool for them to try and exploit.
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Yeah.
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None of us are allowed in Wyoming anymore.
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It's weird how Tucker is so upset about these corrupt people who got us into the Iraq war
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considering that he supported and promoted it.
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He's since rebranded as an anti intervention type populist.
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So he, you know, he plays up this anti-war credibility, but it's nonsense for reasons
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that we'll get into later.
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It's just super weird.
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Like I said earlier, like Tucker insists on calling out these corrupt elites from the
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Iraq war era, but he seems to forget what he did.
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I am a born wealthy child with millions upon millions of dollars who supported the Iraq
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war.
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And you can't trust these wealthy elites who supported the Iraq war.
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Right.
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Also that clip that's played of Biden at the end there is absolutely correct.
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An analysis compiled by the center for strategic and international studies reviewed 893 incidents
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that met the definition of domestic terrorism in the United States that happened between
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January, 1994 and May 8th, 2020.
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And 900 of them were white supremacists.
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Their numbers showed that one, the vast majority of terrorist attacks and plots in the United
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States were committed by groups defined by a right wing ideology.
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And two, in the six years leading up to 2020, the proportion of attacks carried out by right
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wing groups has increased with almost two thirds of the attacks in 2019 being done by
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right wing groups and over 90% of the period between January and May 8th, 2020.
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Right wing groups were responsible for a greater percentage of terrorism than any other type
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of group for almost every year on the chart, with the exception of a few years in the early
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2000s where right wing groups kind of went into a lull after nine 11 and left wing groups
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like the animal liberation front and the earth liberation front carried out targeted attacks
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against property.
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They had a couple of good years.
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Yeah.
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And you could take proportionality because patriots chilled out.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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And a lot of them enlisted.
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Right, right, right.
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They were busy.
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They were busy.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They were committing other more accepted terror attacks.
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Further, these researchers found that religiously motivated terrorism has killed the most people
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in that time period, but that's only because of nine 11.
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However, if you look at the data more granularly, you'll find that right wing terrorism is a
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way more consistent threat.
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Quote in 14 of the 21 years between 1994 and 2019 in which fatal terrorist attacks occurred,
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the majority of deaths resulted from right wing attacks.
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In eight of these years, right wing attackers caused all of the fatalities and in three
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more, including 2018 and 2019, they were responsible for more than 90% of annual fatalities.
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So sure, it's absurd to try and pretend that there's a white terror army that poses a threat
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to us in the United States, but that's mostly because the right wing has some experience
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in the terrorism game and they have for decades followed the Louis Beam leaderless resistance
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model.
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There isn't a white terror army.
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If there was a white terror army, we would all be like, somebody's got to stop that white
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terror army, but now we're all like, we can't stop them.
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They're all of us.
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Yeah, and they kind of know.
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They kind of know that if there was a white terror army, it would not work.
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It's almost like because they've had so much cover from people like Tucker Carlson for
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a hundred years or so, they've figured out how to get away with all of this shit while
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still operating within a certain plausible deniability range.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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So a lot of this documentary is just based on Tucker asking loaded questions that are
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supposed to give you an idea of your children dead right now.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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January 6th is being used as a pretext to strip millions of Americans, disfavored Americans
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of their core constitutional rights and to defame them as domestic terrorists.
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But what exactly happened on January 6th?
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How much of what we were told about that day is a lie?
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Darren Beatty of Revolver News is one of the few in media who's done real reporting on
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what actually happened on January 6th.
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He's one of the few.
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Let's constitute real reporting real quick.
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Definition of terms, Dan.
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Yeah.
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There's so much of this, like, how much of it was a lie?
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That implies that a lot of it, or a considerable amount...
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I mean, I don't know.
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Some.
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Why would you make this documentary if the end result of it is like, hey, you know what?
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Media got it right.
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How much of this was a lie?
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A little bit, but mostly they were good.
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So he has this guy, Darren Beatty, who's the head of Revolver News, Revolver.News.
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And this dude, like, legit offended me on this.
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Beatty?
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Yeah.
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Beatty is a great minister of propaganda names.
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Scooter?
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No.
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Beatty?
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Absolutely.
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What about Scooter Beatty?
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Scooter Beatty, that's too much for me.
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I can't handle that.
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This was probably about the first point where I almost just said, fuck it.
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Okay.
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Darren Beatty of Revolver News is one of the few in media who's done real reporting on
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what actually happened on January 6th.
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The establishment narrative.
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The worst single act of political violence since the Civil War.
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Donald Trump supporters killing police officers was Naga blood libel.
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Officer Brian Sicknick died after being hit in the head with a fire extinguisher during
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the hours long attack.
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They beat a Capitol police officer to death with a fire extinguisher.
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Officer Brian Sicknick died after being hit in the head with a fire extinguisher during
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the fight.
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He died at the age of 42 after he was bludgeoned the fire extinguisher.
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A rioter hit officer Sicknick in the head with a fire extinguisher.
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A bludgeon hit in the head with a fire extinguisher, bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher.
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How did he die?
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There's just one problem with this story.
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It never happened.
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The New York Times has quietly retracted its story about the death of Capitol police officer
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Brian Sicknick.
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There was no such thing.
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There was no fire extinguisher involved at all.
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And the paper is backpedaling, admitting that it's possible he was never even hit at all.
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So the first thing I want to point out, this is very, very important, is that Darren is
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way out of line referring to shoddy reporting that was later retracted and corrected with
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blood libel.
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If you want to say that the media was eager to blame officer Sicknick's death on the Trump
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supporters at the Capitol, be my guest.
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But to use the term MAGA blood libel is a disgrace.
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And honestly, that is a disqualifying comment.
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I can't, it's awful.
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The blood libel is an insidious false accusation that's fueled generations of anti-Semitic
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conspiracy theories and has led to countless deaths and untold suffering.
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For Beatty to attempt to co-opt that term to exaggerate Trump supporters' oppression
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is completely unacceptable, especially considering that a large percentage of the people at the
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January 6th rally were QAnon followers who believed that the elites kidnapped children
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to torture them and drink their blood to get high on adrenochrome, which is basically nothing
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more than a modern day version of the blood libel.
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Like fuck this dude right off the bat.
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It is a time-honored and effective way for them to kind of neutralize so much horrific
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shit by just claiming that no, it's happening to us.
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And using those terms to the point where it lowers their effect, you know?
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So Darren Beatty is the news editor for Revolver, a headline aggregator that's clearly looking
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to become the drudge report for the modern unhinged right-wing news consumer.
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Alex routinely grabs headlines from there to yell about, and it looks like Tucker's
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in the business of pushing this guy too.
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Beatty was formerly a Trump speech writer, but get this, he lost that position in 2018
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because he was too closely associated with white nationalists.
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You know how much of a bigot you have to be to get thrown out of the Trump administration?
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Like Stephen Miller stayed the whole time.
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Yeah, the whole time.
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The whole time.
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The whole time.
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You see, Beatty had given a speech at the 2016 meeting of the H.L. Mencken Club, which
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is basically just a group of high-minded and intellectual racists and Nazis.
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In a 2013 article in The Village Voice, SPLC researcher Mark Podak described them this
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way, quote, they're essentially advocating for a country which is either completely inhabited
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by whites or dominated by whites.
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They are, in effect, a kinder, gentler clan.
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To give you some idea of the ilk that hang out there, Richard Spencer was one of their
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board members.
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So Beatty got fired from the Trump administration for being too closely associated with explicitly
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racist folks, and then transitioned into being the racist media's new favorite link aggregator,
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and apparently, according to Tucker, one of the few journalists who's actually doing reporting
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on January 6th.
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This is nonsense, and to allow someone like Beatty to call something the MAGA blood libel
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without dealing with his very unsavory past and the fact that a sizable amount of Tucker's
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audience believes in actual blood libel is astonishingly bad stuff.
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Yeah.
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Fuck this.
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Yeah.
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As for the issue with Officer Sicknick, there definitely was some bad reporting done on
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that front.
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I can't dispute that, and I can't argue with it, but I would really like to see Tucker
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or Beatty try to make a coherent argument that this reporting wasn't done in good faith
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with the information that was available at the time.
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When new information came to light, these outlets made corrections and retractions.
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Even this documentary said they claimed that they were quietly retracting.
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I don't know how you qualify the volume of a retraction, but-
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So they put it in their paper.
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Quietly.
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Quietly.
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Officer Sicknick didn't die until January 7th, and most of the media that covered the
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story were relying on a press release put out by the United States Capitol Police Department.
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From that press release, quote, Officer Sicknick was responding to the riots on Wednesday,
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January 6th, 2021 at the US Capitol and was injured while physically engaging with protesters.
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He returned to his division office and collapsed.
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He was taken to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries.
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The release goes on to say, quote, the death of Officer Sicknick will be investigated by
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the Metropolitan Police Department's homicide branch.
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This press release would very strongly lead one to believe that Sicknick had suffered
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injuries in the line of duty at the Capitol and that he died upon returning to the office
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from said injuries.
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They literally say in the press release that it's being investigated by the homicide branch,
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so it would be pretty reasonable to take from that that the Capitol Police Department were
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suspecting that this was a murder and that was the information they were releasing to
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the public at that time.
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Right.
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On January 8th, The New York Times reported that Sicknick had been hit in the head with
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a fire extinguisher.
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This reporting was based on two anonymous sources within law enforcement, but by February
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16th, The Times had done further examination and updated their article to reflect that
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this might not be accurate information that had been supplied to them by their sources.
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They did that because they're a journalistic outlet.
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Right.
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All of this was done well before the D.C. Medical Examiner released Sicknick's cause
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of death, and we learned that he did die of natural causes after having a stroke.
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By April, the Associated Press was widely reporting that even though there was initial
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chatter that he was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher or hit with bear mace, there
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wasn't any evidence that any of it led to his death and he died of natural causes.
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Sure.
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Also, I don't know, I don't know where you're going to point the finger.
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Oh, probably the cops.
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Sure.
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Well, I mean, you could.
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Do they want to do that?
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That makes way more sense than anything else.
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They're just reporting the information that they were given by the cops.
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Do Tucker and Darren Beatty want to do a documentary about the cops giving the media inaccurate
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information?
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Boy, they sure would have a lot of examples.
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But I also think that, you know, I don't necessarily know in this case how much you could prove
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that the police gave bad information knowingly.
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Sure.
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It may have been good faith on their part.
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Which again is the point.
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But I'm not sure.
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They're not doing any investigation into anything that is actually the root or fundamental situation
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they should be.
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It's all surface level bullshit.
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Exactly.
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People like Tucker and Beatty want to present a world where the mainstream media just makes
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up these stories out of thin air and then reports them to push their political agenda
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because that's what people like Alex and most of the right wing media does.
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However, the reality is much more complicated.
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There had been an outburst of violence at the Capitol where Sicknick was on duty.
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He did die shortly after returning from that.
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His brother has confirmed that Sicknick had told him that he was pepper sprayed twice
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and that, quote, apparently he collapsed in the Capitol and they resuscitated him using
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CPR.
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The Capitol Police put out a press release that he died of injuries that occurred on
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duty.
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Two law enforcement sources had provided information that was later determined to be not good,
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but no one knew that at the time.
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It's complex how these things work, and people like Tucker and Beatty want to simplify all
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that into these easily digestible narratives where the media wanted to make Trump supporters
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look bad, so they made up a conclusion about Officer Sicknick's death.
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If they wanted to have a real conversation, it would be about how the media, particularly
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the 24 hour news channels, need to be a little more careful about how they engage with the
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news that they're reporting and how it might be wise to try and maintain a little bit of
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journalistic distance from the subjects that they're covering.
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If that was the only complaint that these dudes were making, then I'd say that Beatty
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can still fuck himself for the blood libel thing, but that all sections of the media
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have some room for improvement, so let's move forward.
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Do a post mortem on the things that you got wrong that you could have done better on.
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Right, fine, but don't fucking pretend that it's this black and white nonsense that they're
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doing.
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Right, but, and I'm going to throw this out at you, because I think this might be what's
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really important here.
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Which way is going to make you the most money?
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This way.
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Oh, okay.
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Well then that's the way they're going to do it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So the thing that really shocked me here is that Darren Beatty didn't just call this MAGA
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blood libel once.
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He said it twice in a matter of minutes, which clearly felt like an attempt to anchor a catchphrase.
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Yeah.
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There was no such thing.
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There was no fire extinguisher involved at all.
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And the paper is backpedaling, admitting that it's possible he was never even hit at all.
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New York Times retracted the story.
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They moved to a different story.
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Caterzine spraying bear spray into the face of officer Brian Sicknick.
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It was bear spray.
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It was bear spray that killed officer Sicknick.
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Revolver News found the video shows no spray coming out of the container.
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It's a lie.
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Sure enough, eventually the media admits Revolver.News is right.
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The DC medical examiner today ruled that Capitol Hill police officer Brian Sicknick died of
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natural causes.
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Officer Sicknick died of natural causes.
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He did not die at the hands of the MAGA mom.
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And yet you still see in the mainstream media, this reporting that it was a deadly mob, murderous
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mob, murderous mob, murderous mob, deadly January 6 attack on the Capitol by a mob of
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Trump supporters.
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They got the word deadly from this false reporting on Sicknick.
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It was a blood libel.
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OK, so it's fair that the media outlets like the Times did retract their articles that
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included this information.
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But that's kind of what outlets do when they get things wrong.
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It's actually a good sign.
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It's a sign of a functioning journalistic outlet.
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Yeah.
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You remember that part where the media that they said lies all the time, they use a clip
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of them saying that Brian Sicknick was...
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Uh huh.
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Correcting themselves?
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Yeah.
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You remember how the media they say is lying to you also came out and said the thing that
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is not a lie.
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So where Darren gets off track here is that he's trying to argue one point, then taking
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credit for winning a completely separate point.
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The determination did come down that Sicknick did not die as a result of injury suffered
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on January 6.
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But that doesn't mean that Beatty was right that Sicknick wasn't attacked.
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Sicknick told his brother that he was pepper sprayed multiple times, passed out and had
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to be resuscitated with CPR.
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His experience may not have contributed to his death, but he was the subject of considerable
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violence that day.
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Yeah.
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He didn't point you, he's necessarily winning, other than just I was defiant and just disagreed
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with what people were saying and I ended up randomly being right.
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Well, I mean, they're trying to pin Deadly Mob as only being based on Brian Sicknick.
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Right.
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As opposed to that a lot of people died that day.
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So yeah, that's the next point.
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You can see here that the idea he's trying to push is that the coverage of the event
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is a mug of blood libel because it was based solely on the idea that Sicknick had been
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killed.
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Yeah.
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You're bringing up, even that's bullshit.
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Yep.
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When they play the clips of the broadcasters calling the mob murderous, that's kind of
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accurate.
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The term murderous doesn't require that someone has committed murder, just that they're capable
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of it or seem to be intending to murder.
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And I would say that a group of folks on January 6th, eh, they qualify for that.
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Even if you just base it on the whole thing where they were chanting, hang Mike Pence.
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That one is definitely murderous.
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I would say just the existence of a regular old person holding plastic fucking zip tie
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cuffs, that's a murderous thing to do.
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I don't know.
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I've never seen those specific cups used without like an intent to harm, seriously.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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So the mob was also absolutely deadly.
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Kevin Greeson died of a heart attack.
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His wife told reporters that he suffered from high blood pressure and while I have no solid
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evidence to base this on, the excitement and stress of the unfolding riot could have easily
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raised his heart rate and blood pressure.
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And the same could be said for another person who died, Benjamin Phillips.
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Initially it was believed that Roseanne Boyland was trampled to death by a bunch of people
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who were trying to storm the building.
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Her friend who was there told reporters that was how she died because he was there and
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watched the trampling.
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When the medical examiner's report came back, it turned out that she had actually died of
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quote accidental acute amphetamine intoxication.
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Each of these instances are fairly loose in terms of where you might want to assign real
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responsibility about the deaths, but this was a very deadly mob.
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And honestly, the only reason there weren't more deaths is probably dumb luck and coincidence.
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Yeah.
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I mean, maybe like the, the simplest thing that is so already infuriating about this
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is the idea that we are taking this all the way down to individual actors at January 6th
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as opposed to the people that set up all of the circumstances necessary that brought all
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of those people there.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Right.
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That requires a mirror.
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Yeah, exactly.
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You got it.
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So the media didn't need Sicknick's death to call the events of January 6th deadly.
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That's a false premise that's being put forward by Darren Beatty and Tucker in order to help
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them brand that reporting in a way that's deeply offensive and anti-Semitic, but probably
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really popular with folks that he hangs out with at the H.L. Mencken Club.
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Yeah.
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Probably love that shit.
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Man, they have to get together and laugh like evilly whenever they use stuff.
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Whenever they use blood libel to apply to them, they've got to be like fucking cackling,
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you know, like evil witches in a fucking, that's cartoonish levels of evil.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's gross.
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Yeah.
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So there's this, this idea that they're kind of floating that is that Sicknick's death
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and the reporting around it and the branding of everybody as murderous, deadly, bloody
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people, that's the whole reason that people were taking the events of the six seriously
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and people were getting arrested.
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Yeah.
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Otherwise it was just nonsense.
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No, no, no.
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They were just hanging out.
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Absolute nonsense.
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But a bunch of innocent tourists just looking to find a little memento from the Capitol
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building.
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Sure.
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Who doesn't want a little memento?
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Come on.
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Just as non-existent weapons of mass destruction were used to justify violence.
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Fuck you.
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After 9-11, I spent my early adulthood growing up in a post 9-11 world with an Arab name.
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It's open season on hate towards Muslims and Islam.
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At one point in 2012, had to have a member of Congress call the FBI to get me removed
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from a watch list.
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And now, in this post 1-6 world, I'm on a list yet again because I've been deemed a
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minority in dissent.
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So this is a really smart game that Tucker is playing here.
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Yeah.
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He can very easily demonstrate that there was inaccurate early reporting about Officer
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Sicknick's cause of death, so that needs to be as big a deal as possible and explanatory
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for everything that he could possibly make it explanatory for.
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That's why the game here is that the inaccurate reporting about Sicknick is the reason that
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the folks in law enforcement made it a priority to go after people involved in the riot.
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I can say with absolute confidence that if Sicknick were alive today, literally everything
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would have played out the same, just without the early inaccurate reporting.
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Yep.
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The government doesn't need a cop dying to take the storming of the US Capitol very seriously.
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That's childish bullshit.
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Yeah, you'd have to be real dumb to believe this dumb shit.
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You'd have to be so fucking stupid to believe this.
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Speaking of childish bullshitters, Tucker's next expert on the documentary is former regular
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Alex Jones guest and complete lunatic and felon Ali Alexander.
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We covered this on a past episode, but just in case anyone didn't hear that, before he
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got involved in Republican politics, Ali Akbar, as he was then known, got arrested for, quote,
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stealing several items from a Fort Worth woman, and later, quote, he broke into a van, stole
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a debit card, and attempted to use it.
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He pled guilty to debit card fraud, and had to repay what he stole, and got four years
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probation.
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After that, he got involved in the McCain campaign at the local level in Dallas, Fort
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Worth.
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He got in some hot water there after he was accused of, quote, endorsing voter fraud tactics.
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All right.
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That seems a little familiar.
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Yeah.
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We've talked a ton about Ali and how he's a Christian zealot on a level that even kind
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of dwarfs Alex himself.
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He's a complete lunatic, and he was deeply involved with the Stop the Steal campaign,
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which itself grew out of the voter intimidation campaign that Roger Stone started for the
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2016 election, also called Stop the Steal.
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Yeah.
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Trump won that election, though, so they didn't end up having to do much stuff that anyone
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would remember, and that's, you know, why this didn't happen then.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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I don't want to rehash too much about Ali himself, because honestly, he's kind of a
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pathetic but very accomplished scam artist.
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All you really need to know about him, like, just to get a sense of his caliber, is that
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he was the third wheel on Laura Loomer and Jacob Wall's documentary where they went to
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Minnesota to try and prove that Ilhan Omar was married to her brother.
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That's what he's up to.
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They really, they really, you know, I mean, you do got to give him, you do got to give
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him some credit for going straight from debit card fraud to stealing elections.
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That is tough to do.
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I think there was a little bit of a transitional period, too, with some other scams.
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I mean, even when he was working on the McCain campaign, he was trying to steal elections.
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You got to give the man credit.
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Allegedly, allegedly.
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Bah.
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What I do find interesting here is how Tucker is using Ali to express this feeling of being
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singled out and maligned because he had an Arab name.
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But at no point does Tucker recognize that his professional activities directly contributed
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to the difficulty Ali had in those years.
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Tucker was pro-Iraq war and then decided it was a bad idea to invade.
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However, he didn't think it was a bad idea because war is a bad idea.
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In a 2008 recording of an appearance he made on the radio show hosted by Bubba the Love
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Sponge, Tucker said, quote, Iraq is a crappy place filled with a bunch of, you know, semi-literate
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primitive monkeys.
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That's why it wasn't worth invading.
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It wasn't an opposition to war that turned Tucker against the Iraq war, it was a feeling
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that the people of Iraq were less than human, which is definitely a part of the mentality
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that led folks to look at all Muslims and folks with Arabic-sounding names as suspicious
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and less than human.
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Another clip from 2006 included Tucker talking about how if a Democratic candidate in the
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2008 election came out and promised to kill as many, quote, lunatic Muslims as they could,
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they would, quote, be elected king and that Tucker would vote for them.
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This hypothetical candidate would need to have the right kind of messaging, though.
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Quote, I think you need to say, look, I'm a bigot, OK?
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I'm a bigot.
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I don't like Islamic extremists.
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Like, if you're really heavily into Islam, I really, I'm sorry, I just don't, I don't
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care for you that much, and I don't care what that sounds like.
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You can call me a racist, you can call me whatever the fuck you want.
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Tucker made a lot of money of being a part of the problem that Ali Alexander is now on
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a Tucker Carlson documentary complaining about, but the blame is solely on other people.
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These people are just a fucking pack of losers.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's nonsense.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You can see why I hate this shit.
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If it were easy to be good at stuff, these guys would not be right-wing lunatics, right?
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It's just so easy to do this shit.
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Yeah, the bar of entry is not high.
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You know, like, if you want to do good work, you don't go anywhere near these places.
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You kind of, I think, generally have a sense that doing so will impede your ability to
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do good work later.
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Yeah.
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You might reach some really high heights, but you also are probably gonna go to jail.
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Or you're just gonna become Tucker Carlson, and I mean, look.
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He can't be happy with this.
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He can't be happy.
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I mean, like, sure, he gets great ratings, he gets people to be mad at him.
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He makes a lot of money.
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But I don't know.
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It seems like a boring fucking life.
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I mean, why?
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Why?
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Why would you do it?
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Just being a psychopath for, you know, you don't even have fun.
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Yeah.
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So, Ali is a huge liar, and I hate him.
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And here's him lying.
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Stop the Steal was the most law-abiding movement that this country has seen in modern times.
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Christ is King!
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Christ is King!
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None of the Stop the Steal rallies have ever had a police report or an instance of violence.
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None of them.
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Over 500 rallies.
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And I think that that's why we have Republicans and Democrats supporting us.
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It was rigged.
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What can I tell you?
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That is not a conspiracy.
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So that last clip was of Crystal Bald, one of the hosts of Rising on the Hill TV.
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The way this clip is played is somehow meant to imply that she was supportive of Stop the
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Steal efforts that Ali was engaging in, or that, you know, larger picture there was stealing
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in the election.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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But here's what she actually said about Ali and the Stop the Steal.
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I could have made this radar endless, in part because of that additional reporting from
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Pedro Gonzalez about how much of the money in the whole Stop the Steal thing, tiny amounts
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of it, actually went to any sort of, like, legal efforts or election fraud thing.
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And look, obviously I think all the Stop the Steal and election fraud stuff was bullshit.
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Oh, okay.
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So.
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Okay.
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So is she...
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Man.
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I'm guessing that she wouldn't like to be used in this documentary.
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That is just cruel.
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That is just unfair, kicking someone while they're down bullshit, and I don't appreciate
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it.
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That's low-level bullying.
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Wait, kicking Ali?
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Calling him bullshit?
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No, no, no.
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Using that clip of her...
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This is actually, those are from two different broadcasts of Crystal Balls.
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Sure.
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No, no, no.
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I understand.
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I understand that.
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I just wanted to make that clear.
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But, like, come on, man.
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That's just cruel.
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No, it is.
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And it's just deceptive.
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There's a number of other very specific examples of that coming up, but that was kind of...
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Fuck them.
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I just like that I was able to very easily find a clip of her literally saying Stop the
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Steal is bullshit.
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Yeah, not hard.
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Anyway, the clip Tucker is playing to reinforce this idea that Ali Alexander's Stop the Steal
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shit had bipartisan appeal is from Crystal Ball talking about the Democratic Party's
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handling of the Iowa caucus.
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There absolutely was no bipartisan support for Stop the Steal in any meaningful way.
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Also, about that whole thing about no police reports being filed at Stop the Steal rallies,
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what about that one in December 2020 where four people were stabbed and, quote, at least
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33 people were arrested?
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There was a woman arrested for assault at a November 2020 Stop the Steal rally at the
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Idaho State Capitol.
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A man was arrested for tearing a woman's mask off at a November 2020 Stop the Steal rally
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in Pensacola.
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That assault was actually caught on tape and went around social media, so Ali should probably
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know that people are aware of that one.
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Four people were arrested.
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One of them for spraying mace in the face of a legal observer from the National Lawyers
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Guild at a November 2020 Stop the Steal rally in Salem, Oregon.
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We could go on.
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I'm sure there are more, but I think the point is clear.
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There's been plenty of police reports and arrests at Stop the Steal rallies.
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Ali is just saying that there weren't because it makes him feel better to pretend that that's
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the case, and as an added bonus, it allows him to continue his woe is me act, which is
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all a bunch of fucking horseshit.
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I do love, I do love the unironic use of a crowd chanting Christ is King as though that's
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a way to prove that they're non-violent, right?
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Like historically, a large group of white people chanting Christ is King leads to black
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people dying every time, every time.
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Not just black people.
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I mean, think about the Crusades.
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Sure.
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Well, I mean, if you want to go back that far, then yes, absolutely.
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All sorts of, if you put it in Latin and it begins.
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So I think that one of the points that I will, a rock that I will build my house on is that
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Ali Alexander is a fucking liar.
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Oh yeah.
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Here's him lying some more.
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We coordinated with the U.S. Capitol Police nearly every day.
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A lot of people don't know that Stop the Steal actually had a permit on the Capitol grounds.
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A lot of people don't know they were in on it.
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Not the Capitol itself and not the Capitol Plaza.
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The Capitol grounds, lot eight, we had a permit.
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So you, let's just imagine this 20 to 50,000 people inside the president's park.
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We're sitting there at the very front.
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I'm dead center of the president front row.
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A Trump campaign staffer walks up to me and says, you know, Ali, there are people leaving
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the overflow and there are already tens of thousands of people at the U.S. Capitol.
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With your presence and the presence of Alex Jones, why don't you guys walk down Pennsylvania,
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gather people together, and then position them for your rally on lot eight.
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Our boy got a little bit of a cameo.
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So Stop the Steal didn't have a permit for the use of area eight of the Capitol grounds
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on January 6th, an event called one nation under God had been granted a permit to have
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a rally with 50 or less attendees on area eight that day.
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See, they had a permit.
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It was all totally legal.
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So this permit was sought almost certainly because Ali knew fully well that he would
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never be able to get a permit himself and that the Stop the Steal rally would never
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be approved since the limit for a permit on that lot is 50 people.
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It stands to reason that Ali had used a dummy organization to get a permitted spot where
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he could then do a pop up Stop the Steal rally.
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In the permit application itself, you'll find some fascinating things.
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For instance, in the report filed by the Capitol coordinator, he documents his conversation
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with the organizer of the event, Stephen Brown, and says, quote, purpose of his event does
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not give me any idea of what he wants to bring attention to other than it's a first amendment
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demonstration.
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Weird.
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Initially, they had wanted the larger space that's closer to the Capitol building itself,
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area nine, but it was already claimed.
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They were offered space on the other side of the building, but decided not to take it
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because they were convinced that Women for America First was going to have a rally over
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there and they didn't want to mix it up with them because apparently they don't like them
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so they took the smaller lot in number eight.
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From what I've seen, Women for America First is very confrontational.
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So is Alex.
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Yeah.
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In communicating with Brown, the coordinator started to notice a heavy overlap in this
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proposed event and Stop the Steal events.
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Quote, I explained that it appears that Stop the Steal and One Nation Under God is one
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in the same due to the similarities and affiliation with Ali Alexander.
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I advised Mr. Brown of my concerns of not being able to regulate their numbers to 50
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persons or less.
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If his event is in fact one in the same, Capitol Police will not be able to accommodate his
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event due to the participant number being out of regulations and a public safety issue.
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Per Mr. Brown, he communicated all the rules with his group to include the 50 persons or
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less and they're aware that they have to keep their numbers regulated to 50 persons.
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You get a pretty strong sense that what was going on is a bit shady and if I had to make
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a bet I would say that Ali and the folks with One Nation Under God, that rally, they were
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lying to the Capitol Police in order to have a permit for a rally they knew in advance
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was going to get out of control.
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Even if the Capitol hadn't been stormed, if Ali's rally had attracted the crowd that he
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was clearly planning for, the Capitol Police would have been overwhelmed and it would have
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turned ugly.
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Like there's clear indications of malign intent.
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I mean it was kind of obvious when on the permit application they were like, do you
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understand it needs to be 50 persons or less?
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He said yes and then dot, dot, dot, mwahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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Right.
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He has a permit for an area where they're allowed to have 50 persons or less and even
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before the Capitol is stormed, he's here saying that they're leading 15, 20,000 people.
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Like there is absolutely no way that this is in keeping with the terms that like if
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you look at the Capitol Coordinator stuff, they are talking about how they will not be
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able to uphold their end of the bargain and it will be a public safety issue.
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That is kind of funny that even on the documentary he's admitting to a crime.
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I don't know if it's a crime but it's a breach of contract.
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I lied to the permit office.
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No, no, no, he had his friend lie to the permit office.
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Anyway Ali Alexander is a shady ass liar.
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The actual details of the permit application process make a case that's a little bit stronger
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that he was planning chaos in advance.
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It's just that the particular sort of chaos that ended up happening wasn't the type that
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he was looking for.
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Right, right, right.
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It went sideways.
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This made us look bad and so now we have to make this shitty documentary.
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It's all of your fault really.
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Yeah, yeah.
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There was another kind of chaos we were looking for.
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Right.
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Come on.
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Yeah, we wanted them to.
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I do appreciate Tucker Carlson really rolling them dice because he's going for, like what's
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happening here.
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This is embarrassing.
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They're trying to incite another overthrow of the country.
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There's no other way to put it.
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They wanted to overthrow the United States government.
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Maybe, maybe.
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But I mean Tucker's got to look at himself and realize, right, I'm not going to be Robespierre.
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I'm going to die in the terror.
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He's going up against the wall.
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On his third glass of scotch at Whiskey Fest, he's sitting there and he's thinking, I could
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have been somebody but I fucking made a documentary where I'm treating Ali Alexander like a serious
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person.
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Oh, God.
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Give me another scotch barkeep.
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I'm going to go to the seminar.
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I'm telling you, just because you think you're inciting the revolution doesn't mean you're
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going to live through it, buddy.
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Holy shit, this is bad.
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Yeah.
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I have a tough time thinking about what you're saying, trying to incite another event like
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January 6th.
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I mean, sure, there's definitely incitement towards something that's being done by most
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of the right wing media.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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But I get just this overwhelming sense of depression when I watch this.
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I get bummed out by seeing people like Ali Alexander with good production values.
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You should be on a grainy TikTok video complaining.
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Totally.
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This is...
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You shouldn't be...
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You realize the camera that films you is worth $10,000 to $20,000.
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That's the investment going into the lies you are telling me.
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And what's actually being done, the content is just so bad and transparently bad.
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I don't believe that the people who made this weren't keenly aware that they were full of
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shit.
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They have to.
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Yeah.
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If you're making a Tucker documentary, you have to know what you're doing.
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And I can't believe that anybody who would be aware enough of Ali Alexander to put him
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in a documentary wouldn't also be aware of what a shady liar he is.
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Totally.
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Totally.
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And they chose to put him in anyway.
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Oh, look at this guy's bullshit that we can use until somebody finds him out.
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He's going to get all the consequences.
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We're going to pretend that we were against him the whole fucking time and move on with
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our lives.
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Hey, we're just asking questions, Matt.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But look, they had a suspect really fast on 9-11, right?
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Sure.
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Why don't they know who the mastermind of this one was?
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Because they didn't clearly announce it?
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... hitting the Twin Towers on 9-11, we had a lead suspect.
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Some of the key suspects come to mind, Osama bin Laden.
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Two suspects are in custody this evening in the bombing of Oklahoma City's Murrah Federal
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Building.
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Oh, my God.
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Within 48 hours of the Oklahoma City bombing, Timothy McVeigh had been arrested, yet it's
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been the better part of a year since January 6th, and the masterminds behind this supposed
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insurrection have never been found.
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If a Lee Alexander and Stop the Steal didn't inspire violence on that day, then who did?
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Tucker is asking a question here that's based on a false premise.
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The basic idea is that if the insurrection wasn't planned by Ali and Stop the Steal,
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it must have been planned by someone.
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And because the suspects weren't found as fast as the cases of Oklahoma City and 9-11,
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you know, it's suspicious that we don't have the mastermind.
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Buddy, we found the suspect day one, day one within 20 minutes.
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The guy said, eh, I don't know, let him go, see how it goes.
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So this whole thing is dumb for a number of reasons.
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The first being that there doesn't need to be a mastermind behind the events of the 6th
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in order for there to be loads of coordination of little things that were the sort of things
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that tend to lead to a huge problem, mixed in with some things that might have been accidental
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or coincidences.
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For instance, Ali and his group having a permit specifically for an area meant for 50 or less
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people when he's trying to bring thousands to the Capitol is bad planning.
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Because it's a shithead like Ali, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt
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that he didn't know that more than 50 people would show up, and I believe that his actions
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definitely are at least intentionally severely irresponsible.
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Or fraudulent.
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Yeah.
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Conversely, I would be willing to bet that Trump saying in his speech that everyone should
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go to the Capitol and that he was going to go with them, that might not have been planned
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in advance.
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That may have been a happy accident for the people who wanted shit to get out of hand,
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so that when Congress was there, they wouldn't be able to certify the electoral vote, or
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even better, Congress members would see the chaos and be intimidated into not certifying
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it.
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Right, right, right.
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Again, we found suspect number one the moment it happened.
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He was on TV.
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Also, Osama bin Laden was a huge suspect immediately after 9-11 because he'd already bombed that
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building and he said he was going to do it again.
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That one was really easy to figure out.
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As for Timothy McVeigh, it was pretty easy because police found a rear axle of the Ryder
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truck that had been rented by McVeigh to do the bombing, so that was a pretty fast lead.
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Tucker says that McVeigh was arrested within 48 hours of the bombing, but he was actually
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arrested way faster than that when he was pulled over for not having tags on his car,
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and also for carrying a loaded gun.
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It took a little longer for them to figure out that he was a suspect in the bombing,
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but when they did, he was already in custody, and they found Terry Nichols because he gave
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Terry Nichols' brother's address to the police when he was in prison.
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And maybe Bill Cooper knew the guy.
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Who knows?
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Who knows?
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I would agree though that it's pretty scary that the FBI hasn't identified the person
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or the quote-unquote mastermind who planted bombs at the DNC and RNC headquarters yet,
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but I'm not sure that that helps Tucker's case at all, so I'm going to go ahead and
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call that one a push.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Let's leave that one out.
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So obviously, there's got to be agent provocateurs here, right?
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I mean, that's got to be a big piece of the conspiracy.
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Well, if not, then the people who did it were the people that we say did it.
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So it's got to be agent provocateurs pretending to be people that we say that they did in
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order to frame the people who didn't do it, the people who are so peacefully chanting
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Christ is King.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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Yeah, there's agent provocateurs, baby.
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Okay.
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If the election stopped, the steal didn't conspire to provoke violence on that day,
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then who did?
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Is it possible that the real conspirators were hidden in the crowd of middle-aged Trump
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voters?
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Journalist Elijah Shaffer was at the scene on January 6th.
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The election was totally fraudulent, as we all knew.
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100%, it was stolen.
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And these Congressmen and Senators are going to see we mean business.
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January 6th was just, you know, mom and dad who were mad about what they saw to be an
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election that they thought was unfair, rigged, fortified, stolen.
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It doesn't matter what you say it is.
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They were just angry and a lot of them just got caught up in the front lines of chaos.
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Oh my gosh, we just got tear gassed in the middle of a prayer.
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Are you kidding me?
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They thought that rioting was like a game, maybe.
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Washington DC, this is happening near the White House.
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A protest started getting out of control.
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During 2020, rioters caused about $3 billion worth of damage and killed about two dozen
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people over the course of eight months.
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This is David Dorn in his very last moments on Earth.
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He's a former police captain protecting a store.
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I happen to believe that a lot of the ways they treated rioters that were left wing.
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Kamala Harris was working to help the instigators, the criminals, get out of jail.
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Giving the narrative that there's no consequences for acts of violence, even on federal grounds.
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Cases being dropped from the federal siege in Portland by leftist rioters.
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I believe that was part of sending a narrative to gaslight the right wing into thinking that
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they could riot too and get away with it.
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So you can see here how this documentary itself is internally inconsistent in terms of the
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point it's trying to make.
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Tucker intros this section clearly implying that the people who were responsible for the
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riot were agents provocateur, but that and Elijah Schaffer's comments make no sense in
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that context.
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Elijah's saying that these were moms and dads who were gaslit by the media into thinking
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that they could riot and get away with it because the left did.
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That would imply that these moms and dads did riot, probably planning to do so because
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they thought they could get away with it and their excuse was to pretend like the left
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doesn't get in trouble, so why should they?
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This is how a child thinks.
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Do you mean an entire documentary that says I'm rubber, you're glue, what you say about
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me sticks to you?
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I don't know man, like if Elijah wants to infantilize the members of his political community
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to this extent, I guess that's his prerogative, but it doesn't look good.
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Also this is even sort of in contrast to the earlier presentation that was being made in
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this documentary, that this is all overblown and it's a blood libel against MAGA and all
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this, and now there's agent provocateurs, so there was bad things that were, you wouldn't
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have agent provocateurs if shit didn't get pretty out of hand and bad fucking things
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happened.
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Yeah I mean I feel like an interview with a Trump supporter saying we came here to show
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them that we mean business does not support his conclusion that they were all just out
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there for a fun time.
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Agent provocateur.
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Oh okay.
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Yeah I don't think you have agent provocateurs who carry out their work and then the result
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is like, eh nothing really happened.
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It's usually bad things are the result of provocateuring.
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Listen to me, how a provocateur gets a crowd of thousands to do something that they instinctively
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don't want to do on account of them screaming Christ is King in unison so much.
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So if there's an agent provocateur, sure that person has malicious intent.
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I could make this argument if you actually want me to.
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The way that they would do it would be to attack the police so the police gas the crowd
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or something like that and then that angers the crowd.
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Self defense and yeah oh my god.
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That would be the argument that would be made.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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And that is the argument that's made.
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Oh okay well then fair enough.
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Shockingly without evidence.
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Well I mean evidence is hard to come by.
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So also Portland is a part of Multnomah County in Oregon.
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The Multnomah District Attorney's Office has a dashboard that tracks the protest related
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cases that they've handled and of the 1108 cases that were referred to their office 197
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were accepted for prosecution.
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Of the 894 cases that were rejected 881 of them were public order crimes which are piss
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ant nonsense.
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Sure.
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Conversely of the person crimes 69 out of 181 of those cases were accepted with 19 also
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additional facing possible charges later and 45 additional cases being rejected due to
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insufficient evidence.
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Sure.
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They couldn't get a charge on the person.
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Right right right right.
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They wanted to.
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Real bad.
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Real bad.
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And of the 1108 crimes 81 out of 135 cases were accepted and 21 out of 33 weapons crimes
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were accepted for prosecution.
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The comment Elijah made was specifically about Portland but really he's trying to point a
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finger at all the protests from last year in the wake of the George Floyd killing.
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Yeah.
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The narrative that's perpetuated by right wing shitheads is that the right wing folk
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get in trouble for stuff that the left wing folks get away with it's actually complete
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bullshit.
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Yeah.
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In the analysis of over 300 federal cases that resulted from incidents connected to
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George Floyd protests quote more than 120 defendants across the United States have pleaded
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guilty or were convicted at trial of federal crimes including rioting arson and conspiracy.
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More than 70 defendants who've been sentenced so far have gotten an average of about 27
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months behind bars at least 10 received prison terms of five years or more.
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The same sort of phenomenon is probably what you're gonna end up seeing in the relation
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to folks with the January 6th cases.
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There may be a lot of folks who get arrested but a whole lot of them are gonna have their
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charges dropped and they'll be cut very generous deals where they plead guilty to some nonsense
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misdemeanor and then they end up doing no jail time.
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That's what's going to happen.
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And then the people who maybe broke the windows of the Capitol or you know did do things like
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hit cops.
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Sure.
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They may end up going to jail for a while.
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Could happen.
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So the important thing here is how the right wing media propagandists their mind works.
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How it works for them.
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To someone like Elijah Shaffer of Glenn Beck's Blaze Network everyone on the left who was
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protesting didn't get in any trouble.
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That story is real to him.
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It feels real and it makes him mad.
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But it's not real.
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The anger is real and it's the massive part of the right wing persecution complex which
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Elijah uses to make a ton of money off exploiting but it's not connected to reality.
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They don't do follow up work and check to see if any of the people on the left wing
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who were arrested got charged because if they did they'd have to face the fact that the
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profitable and satisfying anger that they use is a lie.
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Also Elijah Shaffer was totally in the Capitol.
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He wasn't just on the scene.
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He was in the Capitol on January 6th.
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He was the guy who tweeted out a picture of Nancy Pelosi's open laptop on her desk with
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the comment quote, breaking, I'm inside Nancy Pelosi's office with the thousands of revolutionaries
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who have stormed the building.
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So I guess the question I'm left with is if the people who stormed the Capitol that day
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were revolutionaries or if they were moms and dads who got caught up in the excitement.
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I don't know if Elijah knows the, another fucking loser in this documentary.
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I hate these people.
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Yeah.
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God damn.
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This is really, really bad.
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Yeah.
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This is really, really infuriating shit.
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This fucking you can, oh boy, I mean, that's just so fucking easy.
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It's so easy and it works.
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It's so easy and it works because people will instantly hear a bunch of middle-aged white
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people chanting Christ is King and go, well, they can't be bad.
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But that's not the only thing too though.
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Like that's part of it.
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I know.
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I know it's part of it.
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But what underlies that is feeling and it's the feeling that is attractive and what makes
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this work.
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Totally.
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It feels like these left-wing protesters never get in trouble.
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If I say that, if I say that, I feel good.
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If I look it up and I'm not right, I feel bad.
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It feels good for Ali Alexander to say that there have been no police reports ever to
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stop the steel rally.
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Sure.
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It feels good.
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It feels good to cash that check too.
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You bet.
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That's why this stuff works because the people who are hearing it, it feels good to them
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too.
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It appeals to them.
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It comforts them.
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You got it.
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If you're a bad person, none of what I believe directly leads to people chanting, hang Mike
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Pence.
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None of it.
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None of it.
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Or Jews won't replace us.
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Or fuck BLM.
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None of it.
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None of what I believe leads directly to that.
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So anyway, this is all the media's fault.
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The media and democratic party leaders created the environment that made the January 6th
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violence all but inevitable.
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Wow.
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But were there other agitators there that day?
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It makes you wonder about agitators.
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And I've seen agitators all over the country and this is not exclusive to right wing riot
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or to, you know, January 6th.
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There's sometimes people that look like maybe they're professionals.
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Maybe they're there just to cause trouble.
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I don't know.
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Oh, you don't know.
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They just look.
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Okay, they look it.
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Okay.
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Great, Elijah.
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Thanks.
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You proved it.
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You proved that everything that there's Asian provocateurs.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if, if you replace like all of their subjects with like, uh, were there fairies
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in the crowd floating around, giving us dust to get us high and send us to the Capitol?
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It's possible.
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If there are some people who looked a little bit shorter than you might think.
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Uh huh.
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Yeah.
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I think that this is weak in terms of Elijah's argument, so maybe we need someone a little
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bit more substantial in order to help us talk about these agitators.
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There's sometimes people that look like maybe they're professionals.
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Maybe they're there just to cause trouble.
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I don't know.
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Someone who might know is security analyst J. Michael Waller.
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For years, Waller worked as a professional agitator.
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I'm a senior analyst for strategy at the center for security policy and my area of specialization
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has been political warfare, psychological warfare and subversion.
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So Michael Waller is an analyst for the center for security policy, which the SPLC lists
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as an extremist group.
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Well, yeah.
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The group was established in 1988 by Frank Gaffney Jr., a former Reagan administration
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member, and it was a super, super hawkish group during the Iraq war.
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Gaffney himself was an insider and advisor to the Bush administration and as late as
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2005, you can find him writing op-eds about how the Patriot Act is, quote, the most important
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piece of domestic security legislation adopted since 9-11.
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Whee!
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In 2006, an article he wrote that was published by his own organization, the Center for Security
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Policy, in it, Gaffney wrote, quote, the real question that should be asked at the present
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of the Judiciary Committee hearings and that will surely be posed when there's another
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attack is, did the Bush administration engage in sufficient surveillance?
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Not too much.
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Was it wise in a concession to civil libertarians to restrict the use of NSA's signet tools
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first by requiring that one of the parties must be outside the country and second that
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they are tied to Al-Qaeda or an associated group?
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Should we be listening to everyone is the real question.
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Anyway, that's the organization that this guy, Michael Waller, is an analyst at.
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Seems like someone who staunch civil liberty guys like Tucker wouldn't be into.
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Oh, oh, wait, Tucker had their president on this show in 2019.
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Oh, sure.
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Also, it should be pointed out that the Center for Security Policy's main thing is Islamophobia
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and in the years since 9-11, they've been a think tank that has caused considerable
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pain to the Muslim community in America with their promotion of ideas like creeping Sharia.
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They also released a reader series in 2015 about what they call Civilization Jihad, which
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is their way of saying that Muslim immigration to the United States is actually colonization
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and the, quote, pre-violent step in taking over the country.
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Wow.
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I'm not bringing this up for no reason.
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J. Michael Waller has been published by the Center for Security Policy since at least
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2005.
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He was an active member of this group that was severely pro-war, pro-Patriot Act, and
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pro-acting like all Muslims were terrorists.
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Three things that this documentary is pretending to be opposed to.
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In 2003, Waller wrote an op-ed that argued that members of Congress who oppose the Iraq
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war should be tried for treason.
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Quote, Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine
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the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged.
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Point is, he's kind of a dick.
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I would like a military dictatorship, please.
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Thank you.
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Waller is in this documentary because he was at the Capitol on January 6th, and eight days
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later he published an article titled, quote, I saw provocateurs at the Capitol riot on
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January 6th.
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It's a dumb and overwritten article with literally no proof of anything, so I'll save you the
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trouble of reading it.
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The people in camouflage who were acting like disciplined soldiers, they weren't militia
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people.
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They were actually plants who were there to attack the Capitol while the protests provided
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cover for them.
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Right, but they were militia people, and we know because we have their pictures.
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This guy wrote an article.
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Oh, okay, never mind.
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So there's also one guy with a Nazi sign that Waller saw, but he was probably a plant.
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Totally a plant.
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And then there were some young people who Waller thought were acting weird, so he, quote,
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presumed these fake Trump supporters were Antifa or something similar.
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That sounds right.
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That's a good presumption.
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No proof that they were fake Trump supporters at all, just making that shit up.
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Sure.
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They could have been just a little weird, or maybe they were high.
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Trump folks like drugs too?
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Sure.
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Could be.
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Everybody likes it.
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But the young weirdos didn't cause any trouble that Waller saw.
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Ooh, damn.
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It was the camo-wearing people who he was more concerned with.
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Right, the ones who are literal terrorists.
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There was a scuffle, and then police threw some tear gas.
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Then, quote, for a few seconds I saw what looked like police in a tussle with some marchers
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up front, what appeared to be an organized group in civilian clothes.
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This organized group are the cell I call the plainclothes militants.
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They fit right in with the MAGA people.
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So Waller's evidence that he thought they looked, his evidence is essentially that he
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thought they looked organized, and that they looked like MAGA people, which is proof that
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they're plainclothes militants trying to look like MAGA people, I don't understand.
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This is not convincing.
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Just because you're using real words and you're acting like we're in the real world doesn't
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mean you're not just describing fucking Hydra from a comic book.
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Right.
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His next piece of evidence that there were agents provocateur was that after the crowd
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got really mad and a bunch of people were charging police because tear gas canisters
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hit a little girl in the face, someone yelled, forward, do not retreat!
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Apparently the use of the word retreat was suspicious because it sounded like a, quote,
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military operation.
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Yeah, that would be- Hey buddy, if you think it's weird that MAGA
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folks are throwing around military terms, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona
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to sell you.
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Wild that you think a military term is more likely to be on the left wing.
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Get the fuck out of here!
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Yeah, using a military term, it must be a fed plat.
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Yeah, definitely.
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When he reflected on the whole thing later, Waller decided that people encouraging folks
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to push forward was actually, quote, an organized cell of agents provocateur to corral people
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as an unwitting follow-on force behind the plainclothes militants tussling with police.
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After thinking about how best to lie about it, I've decided this lie is the way to go.
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Yeah, legitimately there's zero evidence that's provided in this article other than thoughts
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that Waller had, which I don't find persuasive.
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The piece de resistance of this argument is that after the chaos had already gotten going
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and the capital was already being stormed, Waller saw a group of approximately three
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dozen quote, uniformed agile younger men walking briskly single file.
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These people were wearing uniforms, like they were in military uniforms and stuff, and they
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said quote, we're taking the capital before disappearing, quote, under the scaffolding
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beneath the rotunda entrance.
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Wow, they're good.
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I thought the provocateurs were wearing plainclothes so they could look like MAGA folk, but I guess
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Hold on.
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These people are identified as, hold on, these people are identified as agent provocateurs
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because they're like in weird military outfits, but then these other ones are agent provocateurs
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because they're in MAGA.
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Right, right, right.
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So it's kind of like if you're trying to blend in or if you're trying not to, that's proof.
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Yes.
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That you're, ugh.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's almost like it doesn't matter who or what you are.
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What matters is that it looked bad for rich people, so rich people are going to make money
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off of telling you that it was bad.
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I think that this is probably a dramatized account of something Waller saw, but even
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if he saw a group of people wearing camo and acting like they were in the army, that doesn't
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mean that they were agent provocateurs.
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NPR reported that quote, nearly one in five people charged over the alleged involvement
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in the attack on the U.S. Capitol appear to have military history.
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And that's not even counting for the militia weirdos and cosplayers.
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Yeah.
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Nothing in Waller's account actually proves anything, but it's good enough to be proof
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for the right-wing media who's desperate for flimsy evidence that this event wasn't exactly
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what it appears to be.
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We did it!
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We know!
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Somebody tell us we didn't!
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J. Michael Waller is somebody who appears to have a fair amount of education in the
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field of political warfare, but even so, to take this seriously, just because of that,
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it would require a serious amount of using the appeal to authority fallacy.
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Uh-huh.
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The argument is coming from someone with expertise, but it's also a really bad argument, and so
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it's still bad.
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Yeah, this is feeling a little bit like Tucker's Pachannock here.
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A fun bit of trivia about J. Michael Waller.
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He is also the expert who was interviewed to claim that Antifa was a gang filled with
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agents provocateur, likely run by a 50 to 70-year-old person who's been involved in
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orchestrating street violence from the shadows for decades in Lauren Southern's documentary
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Crossfire.
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That film, you may recall, was directed by Scooter Downey, who's the co-writer of this
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Tucker series.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Great.
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Yeah, he keeps, he's been operating it out of, secretly out of a home for extraordinary
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children.
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I don't know if you know it.
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That film, Crossfire, was released on December 30th, 2020, prior to January 6th, so maybe
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Waller isn't as unbiased as an observer of the events that day as he might want to present
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himself as being.
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Could be, could be.
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This is ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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Not as much, but he's just another shit guest.
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Yeah.
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Whatever.
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Nothing is being proven here.
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Just everyone's making me mad.
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Hey, all you need to do is conjecture that maybe the people at fault weren't at fault,
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and then they're like, wow, that's great.
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You did it.
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So, Waller gives a little bit of a retelling here of his, his, most of the interview is
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basically just him saying like, I know a bunch of stuff.
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I've been involved in things, and then retelling what is in that article, but in the article
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there's more detail.
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That's why I used that.
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I was helping this old woman across the street.
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I gave somebody CPR to save their life before I even made it to the, I'm a hero, honestly.
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Yeah.
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So here, here he is talking about a little bit of stuff, and then Tucker makes a brilliant
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pivot.
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You can start seeing different units of ages provocateurs.
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They were assembled right here on the statue of peace, and they were assembled in various
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places on this walkway, goading members of the crowd trying to cause trouble.
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It's time for revolution!
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One of those agitators was a full-time left-wing activist called John Sullivan.
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John Sullivan, I mean, what he does best is agitate.
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He causes problems, and that's what he's known for.
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John Sullivan is categorically not one of the people that Waller was talking about.
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He's someone you can definitely argue is not a good influence, and people on the left didn't
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really want to associate with him even prior to the sixth.
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It could be fair to say that some of the things that Sullivan was saying had the potential
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to be inciting that day, but that's also a really far cry from demonstrating in any way
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that he was there as a provocateur or working under the auspices of anybody.
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He might just be a shithead.
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I just don't get how the fact that the night before it happened...
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Hold your horses.
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It is not going to be in there.
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Hold your horses.
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Do not tell me.
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Hold your horses.
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If you tell me...
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Mic down.
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Okay.
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John Sullivan, I mean, what he does best is agitate.
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He causes problems, and that's what he's known for on the left and the right.
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I mean, he is the person that organizes all of these events and riots in Utah with his
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group Insurgents USA.
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Journalist Taylor Hansen was also at the Capitol on January 6th.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Taylor Hansen.
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Really?
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Yep.
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Really?
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They're pulling out all the shitheads.
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Really?
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Yep.
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Oh, bah.
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Absolutely.
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Fuck me.
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Yeah, it's pretty sweet.
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That is unreal.
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Yeah, this is kind of where I was almost like, I quit.
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Yeah.
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This is kind of fucking Taylor Hansen.
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I want to set fires.
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Taylor Hansen.
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I want to set fires.
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So Taylor Hansen was on Infowars the day of the storming because he'd been inside and
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was apparently present when Ashley Babbitt was shot.
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It's interesting that Tucker just credits him as a journalist, but weirdly, a Yahoo
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News article says that he's actually, quote, an anti-choice activist connected to a group
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called Baby Lives Matter.
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That's not actually accurate.
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He's not connected to that group.
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He's the founder of it.
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He made a bunch of headlines for going outside abortion clinics and writing Baby Lives Matter.
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On the street.
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Yeah.
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That's like most journalists.
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Yeah.
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That's how you get your start.
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Totally.
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In September 2020, he claims that he was beaten up by four Antifa black bloc members.
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I'm not really sure how much of a journalist he is.
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He honestly seems like more of an anti-abortion activist who has a pretty solid backstory
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to be mad at people.
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He uses left wing protesters and for real, though, Taylor Hansen might be maybe the worst
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person to have in this documentary as a talking head for one specific reason.
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He was on film in the Capitol at the scene of Ashley Babbitt's shooting, and no charges
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have been filed against him.
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He's a walking refutation of the central premise of this documentary, which is that people
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who stormed the Capitol are being jammed up.
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You should not have him in the documentary.
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It brings way too much attention to that.
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Also, as you brought up and as you predicted, they conveniently leave out the part where
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the night before on January 5th, Taylor Hansen joined Owen Schroyer and some other journalists
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in filming themselves burning a Black Lives Matter flag, and honestly, I don't know why
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they didn't mention it in this documentary.
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It is weird.
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It's not like Tucker's audience would think that's a bad thing to do.
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They'd be like, of course those guys didn't storm the Capitol.
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They're burning Black Lives Matter flags like good boys.
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Here's a clip of them doing that.
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Taylor Hansen, guest and expert and journalist in this documentary.
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Yes, journalist Taylor Hansen.
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So my good friend Taylor here is going to do a little Black Lives Matter enrichment
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ceremony.
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So who wants to see this flag?
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It seems like he's a good person to interview uncritically
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for this documentary.
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It's totally just a straight down the middle unbiased journalist here.
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Definitely not a racist anti-abortion activist zealot pretending to be a journalist.
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How is it not so easy for the mainstream media to report on this documentary, which they've
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done?
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They've ad nauseum been like Tucker Carlson's new Patriot Purge thing and not just play
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Taylor Hansen saying something in the documentary and then play that fucking clip and be like,
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see?
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And we're done.
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It's not hard.
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I don't know.
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I don't know if it is that slam dunk, because like I'm saying, I don't think the people
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who this documentary appeals to would be turned off by burning a Black Lives Matter flag.
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I know, but I mean, really?
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That's unreal.
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Yeah, it is.
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It's pretty shitty.
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How do you burn flags and be like, we're the good guys?
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What insane person thinks that?
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I don't know.
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I don't think that the act itself of burning a flag is bad.
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It depends on the message that's trying to be sent by you.
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No, I understand.
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I understand.
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But like, but that, you know, like you're not burning an American flag to protest a
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fucking war.
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Or free speech.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Making a spectacle of it.
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No, no, you're doing it maliciously and, and like spitefully like, oh, we, yeah.
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And it almost like listening back to that, I hadn't, I haven't heard that in a while
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and listening back to it almost makes, it almost feels like an initiation kind of thing.
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Like it has Proud Boys written all over it.
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Owen's having Taylor light it as if this is you coming into the fold.
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Yeah, name cereals you piece of shit.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, Taylor was attacked, like I mentioned, by Antifa Blackball.
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Oh, I'm sorry, it's terrible.
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It's interesting the way that this is presented in the documentary.
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Journalist Taylor Hanson was also at the Capitol on January 6th.
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While living in Utah, he was attacked by members of John Sullivan's group.
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And it was, you know, where I shortly after George Floyd died, I was, I was riding my
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motorcycle downtown, you know, for some reason, there was just this huge car rally.
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I had no idea what it was, you know, for some reason, back and forth between the, I ended
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up pulling over and that's when I actually first encountered John Sullivan and his group
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and surgeons USA and Antifa attacked me, ruining my bike.
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And basically just, I mean, I actually had a gun pointed to my head at that rally specifically.
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And that was from John Sullivan's and surgeons USA group.
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Look, I don't know if Taylor was attacked multiple times, but he made a bunch of headlines
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and outlets like the Christian Post in September 2020 when he was beaten and bloodied when
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he claims he was attacked by Antifa.
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The problem is that wasn't in Utah, that was in Portland.
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And the pictures of Hanson from this article in the Christian Post of the post, his face
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after the beating, it's exactly the pictures that are used in this documentary to illustrate
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Taylor Hanson's beating.
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Weird.
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It seems weird.
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That's...
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I wonder if it's these habitual liars lying about things again.
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I mean...
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I wonder.
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I, I just, I just, just fucking, just be like, I was attacked by a group of black Muslims
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and they were all the LGBTQs.
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They were all of them.
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They were every boogeyman you've ever heard of.
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They were Antifa.
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They were communists.
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They were everything.
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Just say they were everything.
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So these articles about Taylor's assault that happened in Portland, mysteriously absent
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from them and from Taylor's account at the time is any mention of John Sullivan, and
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he actually specifically says that they didn't have a gun, quote, I'm thankful they stopped
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the beating when they did and didn't use weapons to inflict harm or death upon me.
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I was gonna try and be cute and facetious and pretend that Taylor was beaten up twice
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but decided to keep the second one a secret until now and that Tucker's producers just
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accidentally used the wrong photos but I'm fucking tired.
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Occam's Razor tells me that Tyler, eh, Taylor may have been beaten up by some dudes in Portland.
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He's now trying to rewrite the story to involve some new flashy characters like John Sullivan
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and some heightened drama like this guy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Three globalists in a hot tub too.
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At this point in the documentary I realize that we're still on episode one of this bullshit
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and I'm exhausted.
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The claims that are being made are sensational and full of shit.
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The people being treated as experts being interviewed are pretty much all well-known
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right-wing frauds and propagandists.
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It's almost unbearably shitty to try and view this as a serious project that someone like
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Tucker would release.
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It's so bad from an information standpoint and the people he's associating with are deeply
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troubling but I suspect that his audience, he knows that they won't hold his inaccuracies
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against him and I guess that hanging out with shady weirdos is basically his thing now.
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Yeah, that's really sad for him.
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It is.
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You know?
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And for me.
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Yeah, well I mean it's definitely sad for you.
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Because I'm doing this.
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It's definitely sad for you but for him, like, for Ali Alexander and for Taylor and for those
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guys to be in this documentary, huge get.
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Huge get.
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It's aspirational for them.
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It's amazing for them.
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They're in the big leagues.
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Tucker's giving them shit in air time, you know?
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And he's presenting them as journalists.
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Journalists.
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But I mean- Important activists.
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For Tucker, fuck off.
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This is sad.
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This is sad.
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You're going down in flames if you're working with Ali Alexander talking about John Sullivan.
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Well if you're either, like, if you're going to associate with Ali Alexander for long it's
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going to bite you in the ass.
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You should not do it.
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It's probably going to be a bad idea.
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You're going to go the path of Laura Loomer and Jacob Walt.
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Hey, I'm seeing a Gate of Gates in their future.
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But also, conversely, if you're trying to use Ali Alexander in order to squeeze some
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juice out of him, that's also sad.
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That's cheap.
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There's not much juice left in there.
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There's not a lot of juice in that sponge, man.
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No.
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You're not getting shit.
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Nope.
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So there is a fair point that comes up, and that is that the FBI has ensnared people in
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the past.
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Oh yeah, if you want to go FBI is bad, you're not going to run out of examples.
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Yeah.
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Not only has the government sponsored, funded, and armed terror groups fighting our foreign
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adversaries, federal agencies have a long history of ensnaring American citizens in
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manufactured plots.
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It may sound like a conspiracy theory until you learn the undisputed details.
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Yeah, those things are true, but that doesn't justify Tucker's intended conclusion, namely
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that this is what happened on January 6th, that the good old Patriots were ensnared by
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the feds.
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Yeah.
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The first part being true doesn't prove the second part.
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It just needs to do better.
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This isn't like it doesn't prove anything.
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That's AJ saying they've done false flags in the past, so why not?
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So this must be.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, proving that something is possible doesn't prove that it did happen.
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It's just, this is childish.
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During prohibition, the government poisoned a lot of booze and killed a lot of people.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Great.
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That doesn't mean that they're poisoning your booze now.
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I understand.
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So look, they set people up and we got an example here.
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FBI agents were essentially the plotters in these crimes, they made the crimes crimes.
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You scarcely need to go back three months prior to the so-called Capitol siege of one
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six.
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So good event that has now evaporated from memory and from the national.
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And that is the so-called Whitmer kidnapping plot.
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The alleged plan was to kidnap the governor and put her on trial for treason all because
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of Michigan's COVID lockdown.
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The federal government thwarted an alleged plot to kidnap the governor of Michigan in
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a manner that included, shockingly enough, storming the state Capitol.
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According to a report in Buzzfeed, Michigan state police stood down and let protesters,
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including those in full tactical gear, enter the building unopposed.
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Why haven't you called for backup?
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Where is your backup?
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It's a damn Capitol building and y'all are letting it get destroyed on your watch.
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It's just a building, dude.
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Interesting parallel.
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That definitely could be an interesting parallel that proves that the same shadowy forces that
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did the false flag of January 6th also staged the storming of the Michigan state Capitol.
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Or you could say that the right wing has a pattern of taking over Capitol buildings.
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One of these is an almost embarrassingly simpler explanation.
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Right wing militia folks love taking things over, like the Malheur Wildlife Refuge.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That's what they do.
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They like to occupy shit.
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Especially government controlled things.
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Yeah, while pretending that they have a right to it or whatever.
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Yeah, it's a big thing.
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It's a normal thing for them.
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It's like every year.
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Yeah.
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Also, these folks have yet to prove that the feds were responsible for the plot to kidnap
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Governor Whitmer.
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The alleged leader of that group, Adam Fox, definitely isn't an FBI informant, which you'd
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know because most of the claims that the FBI set the group up are just right wing media
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sources repeating what his lawyer has said in his defense.
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There's an ABC news headline that you could choose to report in two different ways, depending
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on what you wanted to convey.
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You could go with, quote, Michigan governor kidnap plot dreamt up by FBI informants.
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That would strongly suggest that the FBI was behind this shit, and that's, you know, part
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of the headline.
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Sure.
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You could use the entire headline, though, and that is, quote, Michigan governor kidnap
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plot dreamt up by FBI informants accused leader claims, because that's the reality of it.
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Right.
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If you want to, you can go and read the criminal complaint against the members of this militia
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group in Michigan who were charged, and it's hard to come away with the impression that
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anyone was set up.
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Quote, in early 2020, the FBI became aware through social media that a group of individuals
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were discussing the violent overthrow of certain government and law enforcement components.
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Among those identified were Croft and Fox.
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Through electronic communications, Croft and Fox agreed to unite others in their cause
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and take violent action against multiple state governments that they believed were violating
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the U.S. Constitution.
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They decided to hold a meeting on June 6th, and one of the people they invited was a confidential
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informant for the FBI who was wearing a wire and recorded the whole thing.
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Quote, they discussed different ways of achieving their goal, from peaceful endeavors to violent
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actions.
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At one point, several members talked about state governments they believed were violating
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the U.S. Constitution, including the government of Michigan and Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
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Several members talked about murdering tyrants and taking a sitting governor.
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At that point, they realized they needed numbers, though, because they were a pretty small group,
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so they reached out to another militia group that was based in Michigan.
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Unfortunately, unbeknownst to them, this militia group already had an FBI informant in it,
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since back in March, they'd flipped a member of the group when they brought him in for
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questioning about how this militia group was trying to collect local law enforcement members'
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home addresses.
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So they had this group that they had invited an FBI informant into, and a militia group
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that was already infiltrated for other reasons.
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I think, here's the worst thing that they do, the thing that I hate the most about them,
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is that they are so fucking stupid, they use it as a smokescreen, they're like, nobody
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could be this stupid, you guys are this fucking stupid.
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Well it leads me to suspect that pulling off leaderless resistance might be more difficult
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than it seems.
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You need good leaders.
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A lot of times you do.
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You need good leaders.
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Yes.
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Good leaders are really useful, you know how they're like, oh man, Alexander the Great
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is so great, that wasn't a leaderless thing.
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It's a deep irony that in order to pull off leaderless resistance, you kind of need mostly
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folks who are good leaders, or have some leadership character.
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Yeah, to pull off a leaderless resistance, you just need a lot more leaders.
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So you had these two groups which both have moles in them and they decided to combine
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forces, and it's just an embarrassingly sloppy affair.
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Reading over this criminal complaint is just a laundry list of pointing out super illegal
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things these dudes did while they were being secretly recorded.
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Just because there were feds in the group doesn't mean that the feds entrapped these
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people.
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It's a sensible question to ask, and by all means, it should be a point that is brought
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up and looked at.
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And there have been instances of that in the past, of people getting jammed up.
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But the fact that something could possibly be true is not the same thing as it actually
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being true.
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Based on the available information, I don't find the argument that the Whitmer kidnapping
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plot was a FBI setup, I don't find that convincing at all.
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I do, however, understand how dudes like everyone in this documentary need to believe it's fake.
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Yeah.
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I do get that.
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That makes total sense.
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It would make them feel really bad, not just to be caught, but also to be caught being
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as dumb as they really are.
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Right.
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Whenever it comes to light and you read about it, you're like, oh, that is a stupid plan.
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Like if you want to take over Michigan, then you're going to need at least two nuclear
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weapons before you even start.
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Start with the Upper Peninsula.
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You're going to, yeah, I mean, you're going to need that to negotiate your independence,
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and there's no way that the government is going to allow you to do that unless you have
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at least two, one of which you have to set off in order to prove that you will.
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I think this is a very restrained option.
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I think I'm doing this right.
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I'm just saying if you want to overthrow the government, it's going to take a lot more
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groundwork.
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So I'll leave you to that planning and move on to this next clip.
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It's one thing for Tucker to have guests on, like this Darren Beattie character who's lying
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about the FBI and the Whitmer kidnapping plot.
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It's kind of weird when Tucker, as the voiceover person, decides to lie too.
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Well, it gets even better.
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About 12 of the 18 conspirators were either FBI informants or undercover FBI agents.
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In other words, only two-thirds of the people plotting to kidnap the governor of Michigan
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were working directly for the feds.
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That's quite a percentage.
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This isn't true.
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It's basically just a misrepresentation of a headline from BuzzFeed.
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Quote, the FBI allegedly used at least 12 informants in the Michigan kidnap plot.
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I didn't initially understand exactly where Tucker was getting the 18 number from, because
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on October 8th, the FBI announced they'd filed charges against 13 Michigan militia members,
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with at least six of them being charged in connection directly to the plot to kidnap
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Governor Whitmer.
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If you read the court filing, you'll see that there were two confidential informants as
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well as two undercover employees mixed in with the folks who were plotting to kidnap
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and ultimately kill Whitmer because they did a horrible job in Operation Security.
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They weren't convinced to do this by the cops in their ranks.
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They were just so dumb that they had cops recording all of their meetings.
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If I had to guess, and I do believe that this is the case, I would say that the root of
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this narrative about 18 people, you know, 12 out of the 18 people are informants, comes
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from a headline of this story in the Gateway Pundit.
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Quote, it was a setup.
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FBI used at least 12 informants in Whitmer kidnapping case with only six defendants.
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Add that together, 18.
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If you only go based on that headline, you don't look any further into the story, you
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can just add those numbers together and get 18 people, 12 of whom are feds.
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However, that is not the truth, and it's either an indication of being too lazy to report
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this accurately or a desire to willfully disseminate false information.
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Any responsible reporter would know that there were, quote, eight other men charged under
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Michigan's anti-terrorism statutes for providing material support to the plotters.
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There were only six people who were charged with the actual conspiracy to kidnap plot,
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and eight charged with providing support.
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Some of these people aided in, like, staking out Whitmer's house, and one had hosted their
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meetings at his home, so that kind of stuff is what these other eight folks did.
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That's, that's, okay, okay.
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Imagine you're staking out Governor Whitmer's house like, this is gonna end well for me.
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Yeah.
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I can trust these weirdos.
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This is gonna go great.
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Yeah.
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You'll notice that there's actually a total of 14 people, instead of the 13 I said were
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charged on October 8th, and that's because one other guy got arrested and charged a little
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bit later.
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Anyone repeating the narrative that 12 out of the 18 people involved in the Michigan
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kidnapping plot were feds is just regurgitating far-right media talking points.
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It's unfortunate when just an average person on the street does this, but it's horrific
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to see Tucker doing it in this dumb documentary.
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That implies that the standard he has for information is so low that he could report
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this based on a misleading Gateway Pub headline, or that he knows it's misinformation and includes
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it in the documentary anyway.
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Having grown up in a world where Tucker Carlson has been a public figure the whole time, I'm
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gonna bet it's the second one.
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I don't think, I don't think he's that dumb.
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Yeah, and also that's probably why it's on Fox Nation, because is anybody really gonna
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demand a retraction?
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I will.
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Well, that's fair.
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I don't think anyone's gonna do it, or listen, but I demand a retraction.
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I demand one?
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No, no, no.
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As long as we're making demands, I demand a retraction as well.
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And Ray and Paul needs to debate Jordan.
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Well, I mean, obviously, but that's a long-standing demand.
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We're making new demands today.
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So we have another piece of evidence that Darren Beatty is gonna present here of why
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it's clearly-
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In 2018, there were reports of birds falling out of the sky.
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Does that mean the Deep State did it?
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Might as well be that it's that flimsy.
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It gets even better.
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Many of the individuals involved in this plot have been associated with the very same militia
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group that the government has attempted to associate with 1-6.
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I don't think that's proof of conspiracy the same way, like as much as he thinks it is.
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I mean, maybe they just all did-
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Oh, so this is a reference to the fact that there were members of the Three Percenters
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who were at the Capitol riot on January 6th, and that some members of the groups involved
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in the Whitmer kidnapping plot were also associated with the Three Percenters.
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This doesn't prove or even suggest that the events are related as some sort of conspiracy.
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It's really just a reflection of how Three Percenters are, pretty fucked up folks of
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a tendency towards doing fucked up and violent things, presumably in the name of defending
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the Constitution.
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Yeah.
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I don't really understand how this detail is being presented as some kind of support
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for the documentary's thesis, because it kind of works better the opposite way.
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Yeah, I mean, that's a little bit like being like, aha, see, now did you see this?
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Three Oath Keepers were also members of the clan.
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That's obviously a conspiracy by the FBI.
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I couldn't have robbed this 7-Eleven because I have 50 Slurpees.
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That seems to imply that you did rob it.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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How could I carry that many?
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See?
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Ipso facto.
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Aha!
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You fool!
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So there's one more piece of evidence that's being presented.
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All these come like in a string of maybe giving these dumb, dumb pieces of evidence.
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And if that isn't enough, I'll give you the cherry on top.
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Hello, I'm Stephen D'Antuono.
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The head of the Detroit field office of the FBI, who presumably oversaw all of those agents
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and would have been actively involved in inciting the Michigan kidnapping plot.
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Subsequent to that, he was quietly and suspiciously promoted to a high position within the D.C.
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field office, where he now oversees the investigation into 1-6.
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So this is a reference to Stephen D'Antuono.
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There's a lot to unpack in that 30 second clip.
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The first thing is that Darren Beattie, who's talking here, has absolutely not proven in
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any way that the FBI agents in Michigan were quote, involved in inciting the plot.
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He's asserted it, and Tucker has provided inaccurate information that he thinks supports
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the assertion, but nothing so far has established this or even come close.
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If he's wrong, if Beattie is wrong, and the FBI agents in Michigan in that case didn't
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do anything wrong, then who cares if a guy goes from one FBI office to another?
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It's meaningless.
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Aha, I see.
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Watch.
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A man climbing the corporate ladder.
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Second, Beattie is claiming that D'Antuono was quote, quietly and suspiciously promoted
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to a high position after the Whitmer kidnapping case.
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Sorry, as opposed to so many loud, loud announcements.
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This man going to the D.C. FBI!
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National news!
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Yeah, and also the FBI literally put out a press release about him being moved to the
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D.C. field office on October 13th, 2020.
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That doesn't seem very quiet.
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No, no, no, they did it suspiciously though.
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They informed the press.
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I don't know what's going on here.
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What a bunch of dicks.
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Yeah, it's just throwing those words in to try and create suspicion.
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It's bullshit.
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Yeah, totally.
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If you read the press release about his promotion, you'll learn that this was only sort of a
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promotion.
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He was previously the special agent in charge at the Detroit field office, and when he went
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to D.C. he was assistant director in charge of the Washington field office.
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Both of these are supervisor positions at the top of the office hierarchy.
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It's just that the L.A., New York City, and D.C. offices, they have assistant directors
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in charge as the boss, as opposed to the other 53 FBI field offices in the United States
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that are run by a special agent in charge, just because they're bigger offices.
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Sure, sure, sure, I get it.
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This is a bit of a promotion, since he would be overseeing a larger FBI office, but his
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bio makes me think that he probably also wanted to go to D.C. because that's where he spent
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a lot of his career.
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From 1998 to 2004, he was at that same D.C. field office, whereupon he spent four years
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teaching at the FBI academy.
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After that, he transferred back to the D.C. office.
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He was there for another six years before going to St. Louis, and then he ended up in
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Detroit in 2019.
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He seems to have a pretty accomplished career, but also one with roots in D.C., and I don't
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think it seems suspicious at all that he would be offered that position and accept it.
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Man makes lateral moves, next, on CNN.
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I can come up with a better conspiracy.
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What do you got?
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So, this guy, right?
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He was named special agent in charge over the Detroit office, and that position only
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became available because the person previously in that position, Timothy Slater, had been
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transferred to lead the Washington D.C. field office, the same position that he would end
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up going to later.
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Oh, so what happened was, right, they transferred him out in advance of this guy taking over
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the Michigan office to lay the groundwork for the eventual overthrow of the governor's
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mansion.
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It all makes sense now, Dan.
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All coming together.
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It's all coming together.
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The pieces just fit.
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I didn't even think they were going to fit, and then all of a sudden, whenever I pushed
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them into the spots where they were supposed to fit, they just fit.
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Just in case there was something where the Detroit field office was like a farm system
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for the D.C. field office, I went and checked the other people who have been...
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It's not a pattern.
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It's just those two.
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By God, you thorough piece of shit, Dan.
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Well, I thought maybe it'd be really interesting.
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That would be really interesting.
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Nah, it's just those two guys.
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No, I understand.
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Anyway, Darren thinks that this is a smoking gun kind of revelation, but it's really more
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of a who cares.
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If you don't believe all the bullshit about the Whitmer kidnapping plot being an FBI setup,
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then all that happened here is that a well-respected FBI agent in charge of a field office was
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put in charge of a larger FBI field office.
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Even if you do believe that the Whitmer kidnapping plot was an FBI setup, that still doesn't
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make this that good of a piece of evidence that January 6th was a setup.
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Folks like Darren or Tucker or Alex, for that matter, they don't really understand what
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it means to prove or demonstrate something, and I suspect a large part of that is because
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their audience, they don't incentivize them doing so.
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The attention economy that they profit off of is much more interested in shocking twists
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and surprise reveals, so it's easy to blow people's minds by pointing out that the head
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of the DC office used to be the head of the Detroit office and then take credit for having
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proven that the large events in both places were secret FBI plots.
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The actual content and arguments being made are meaningless, but they leave viewers with
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the feeling of having something was revealed to them, and that revelation is being sort
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of sidetracked and perverted into convincing the audience that, hey, they proved that this
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is, look at this shit.
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Right, right.
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Can you believe it?
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Dude, you have no idea.
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I'm gonna throw this one out at you, okay?
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So there was this famous neocon guy, all right, and he supported all of these middle-of-the-road
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rhino policies for the longest time, but then, okay, and this is gonna blow your mind, then
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he saw an opportunity to make more money doing something else, right?
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So he took a job to do that other thing, even though he didn't really believe any of the
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bullshit because he's still that neocon from way back when, Dan.
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Do you get it?
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He's controlled opposition from the neocons to run the new populist movement, man.
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Next thing you know, you're gonna tell me you used to wear a bow tie.
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I'm gonna tell you that he's rich as shit, too.
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I want to make clear that you're not suggesting that.
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That was like a-
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I would hope that that was clearly a facetious tone of voice, but if not-
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I just want to make sure that no one thinks that you're suggesting that Tucker Carlson
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is legitimately working for neocons as a plant.
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I'm not saying that the FBI controls Tucker Carlson, I'm just saying that they're choosing
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a specific FBI agent to go after, not the head of the DC office at the time of the Michigan
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overthrow because that's the guy who would really be running things, he's in charge of
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the other guy.
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Wow.
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They're trying to take this FBI agent down.
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Fine.
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So we have one last clip and it's Tucker sort of patting himself on the back.
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Okay, sure, of course.
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He did a great job.
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Yeah, he proved-
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Yeah, he did a great job.
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He proved his case.
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Good boy, good boy.
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Most Americans probably assume the chaos of January 6th was a result of intelligence failures
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or of simple government incompetence, but direct incitement by federal agents, the intentional
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entrapment of American citizens.
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No decent person wants to believe that, but increasingly there's evidence it is true.
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It makes you wonder, if permanent Washington is willing to launch a second war on terror
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on its own citizens, what else are they capable of?
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That's the end.
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And I just was like, I'm not doing the other ones.
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I don't care.
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They're just as stupid.
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I don't-
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The blatant, the blatant, bald-faced fuck you of someone who knows what they're saying
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isn't true, saying no decent person would want to believe this.
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Right.
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No decent person would want to believe this.
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So you, you idiots, you fucking rubes watching this dumb documentary, by the very fact that
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you want this shit to be true, Tucker Carlson is letting you know you're a fucking pile
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of shit.
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Yeah.
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That's an ungenerous reading of his comments.
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So what do you think?
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I mean pat on the back all around, obviously.
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A glass of champagne.
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Yeah, totally.
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Break out the bubbly.
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What I don't understand, when you nail it on the first take, you don't need two more
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episodes.
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Yeah.
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I'm just saying when you got all the information out in one episode, ironclad, airtight, just
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let it stand on its own.
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I think that when you have a documentary and the experts that you have include Ali Alexander,
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Taylor Hanson, and Darren Beatty, I'm out.
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Yeah.
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It's just like, no.
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Go fuck yourself.
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You know, I mean, I think part of my problem with this is also they're wasting a lot of
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money on this production.
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Because we've seen...
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Wasting?
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Yeah.
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We've seen better ship cheaper.
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Maybe.
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You know?
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Like, this isn't good.
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It has some decent production value.
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That's the problem.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, it's not good?
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It doesn't have to be good.
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No, I know it doesn't have to be good.
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It's gonna move tons of subscriptions.
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I know, but I'm just saying that you could cut some corners in a lot of places and save
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money on the production here.
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You probably could, but you won't...
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Pride.
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That's my number one problem.
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Pride.
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With this documentary.
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You haven't even watched it.
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I haven't seen shit.
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Yeah.
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So, watching this documentary I found to be a pretty chilling experience.
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It lacked the emotional arc of Stefan Molyneux's Poland documentary, which at least had the
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cathartic ending when he realized he was a white nationalist.
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It lacked the entertaining bombast, fake crying, and sometimes interesting tangents that something
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Alex makes usually has.
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It really is a lot of the same trash information and repackaged bigotry just being delivered
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in a more presentable package.
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One of the things that really troubled me watching this is that I honestly don't know
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what anyone can do about it.
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This documentary is full of obvious and transparent lies, but Tucker has cultivated an audience
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that doesn't really care, and they think that George Soros controls all fact checkers.
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The impulse you would seem to have would be to spread the message that this thing is bullshit
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as loudly and as publicly as you can, but having watched the thing, I think that's what
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the goal is.
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I think that's kind of what they want.
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Well, if you get people to scream about Fox Nation, FoxNation.com, how dare he do that
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on FoxNation.com?
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Tucker didn't release this on Fox Nation because Fox News wouldn't let him air it on his show.
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It's no more unhinged or offensive than anything else he airs on a regular basis.
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This was released on Fox Nation as a promotional campaign, and the left wing and mainstream
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media backlash against how full of shit this documentary is, it plays into the campaign
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at least a little bit.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to seem like I'm trying to say that Tucker should be ignored or anything
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like that.
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I'm just not confident the people in the mainstream media have the ability to address this kind
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of material without fucking up and essentially just helping spread the documentary to a wider
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audience.
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Yeah.
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I don't know what to do.
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That was a big part of walking away from this being a little bit like, ugh.
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I mean, you know, it doesn't seem like it would be too hard for media members to just
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go out and be like, hey, listen, so we watched this old Tucker thing.
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Obviously, all he's really trying to do is rile us up to get more viewers to his fucking
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website.
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So guess what?
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Guess what, Tucker?
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Not today.
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Like, just say out loud on television, not today, Tucker.
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What do we say to the god of bullshit?
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Not today.
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Not today!
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I feel like a fair amount of this, and especially the promotional campaign leading up to it.
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It's kind of bait, and I don't know.
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There's an interesting element to it, and that is that Tucker is like, this is just
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straight up in fours.
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Right, right, right.
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It has no dignity above it.
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It is just that Tucker is less transparently nuts than Alex.
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He doesn't fake crying and screaming and get red in the face and talk about how he used
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to murder people and what have you.
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But it's the same content, and when you look at it, it's the same people.
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Taylor Hansen, Ali Alexander, these are the same folks who are on Info Wars.
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They're just moving up the ladder, yeah.
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So I think Alex should be scared.
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I think Tucker should be scared too, though, because this is not like, I don't think this
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is a road that goes very far.
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It's kind of a flash in the pan to try and do this on a normal TV station.
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I mean, it blows me away, again, just because it's like, how long do you guys think that
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this is sustainable?
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It's not sustainable.
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You can't terrorist edge forever.
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It's going to explode, and you did it, and it exploded on the sixth, and that was an
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opportunity to be like, let's tamper this shit now.
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And they leaned into it again.
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So it's going to happen again, and the idea that they are going to be able to control
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it seems so insane to me.
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These kinds of tense situations and events will end up happening whether it's by people
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like Tucker and Alex facilitating it, or by them not, and their audience turning against
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them because they're not hardcore enough.
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Exactly.
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It's going to happen.
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It happens every time.
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I can't believe that you would be that stupid and egotistical to think, no, just because
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I've seen this play out over and over and over again throughout human history, I'm pretty
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sure I'll be able to hang my hat on controlling this populist mob of murderers.
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I don't know what to do.
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I don't know, but I do know that I regret watching all three of these episodes, and
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I'm not talking about this shit at all.
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I'm done.
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I do feel a little bit after listening to this, this is where the coyote and the right
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wing media is the roadrunner.
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They don't need to be smart.
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They just need to be one step ahead, just fast enough to stay one step ahead of every
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attempt to catch them.
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That's it.
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If Tucker ends his next show by saying, beep, beep, it's going to be infuriating.
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Oh, dude, I've already looked him in the eyes and seen it nothing.
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So we'll be back.
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Indeed.
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Yeah, we'll be back.
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Thanks for holding.
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