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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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I have great respect for knowledgefight, knowledgefight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys, knowledgefight.

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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan, I'm Jordan, we're good little dudes

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like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex

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Jones.

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Oh indeed we are.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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Quick question for you.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today, Jordan, is the continuing of the buttons.

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Yes.

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Yes indeed.

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And one of the things that I mentioned on a previous episode was that we're taking care

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of the postage and everything, but if people feel so inclined, because a lot of people

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have offered to pay for postage to, you know like, there's a number of people in foreign

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countries.

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If you're sending it to the Netherlands, we get it, I understand why you want to offer

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postage.

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Yeah, yeah, and I appreciate that, I don't want to sneeze on people's generosity.

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Of course not.

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Metaphorically.

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I don't know why I used sneeze there, but be that as it may, we've said that one of

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the things people can do is find a charity and donate in the name of Celine.

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Yes, yes, yes, of course, let's take over the world.

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And I got a really awesome thing that I wanted to share.

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This is my bright spot.

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Okay, okay.

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Frederick H. adopted an elephant in Kenya.

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Alright, alright, I'm listening, I'm listening.

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In honor of Celine.

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Fuck yes.

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Celine, my cat, Celine, is now the foster parent of Bon Denny, a baby elephant in Kenya.

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I feel, that's amazing.

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I feel so good about that.

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I feel so good about that.

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Oh my god.

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I can't believe that we, that's one of those moments where you're like, I didn't realize

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the scope of this, until all of a sudden your cat is fostering a baby elephant, and then

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you're like, okay, the world's gone crazy.

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And something so great about the creativity of listeners like Frederick as well, like

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this.

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So much.

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Yeah, taking the ball and running with it and doing something really cool and overwhelmingly-

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And helpful and beautiful.

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Yes, also a personal message came in with that, that is, my neck is freakishly large,

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which I assume is from the elephant, which they have thick old necks.

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They do, that's true.

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So thank you, Frederick, that was really awesome, and it really brightened my day and week,

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just to, and my mom is a huge elephant person, and so it's also, it was a nice coincidence

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of a thing.

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She's a huge elephant person.

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She'd be thrilled by the idea of my cat having a foster parent relationship with an elephant.

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See now we just need, now we just need to unite them and have Celine stand atop an elephant

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at all times.

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We're heading to Kenya.

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I think we have to.

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Yep, live show.

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Yes, absolutely.

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Live show in Kenya.

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That picture of Celine on an elephant, that's what we need.

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What's your bright spot, food?

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My bright spot, Dan, is far less consequential, kind of makes me feel a little embarrassed

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that this is my bright spot, but have you ever had a cotton candy grape, Dan?

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No, I was trying to think of what that is, I feel like I've had grape flavored cotton

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candy.

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Yeah, see now this is the opposite, it's cotton candy flavored grapes.

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What?

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They're grapes that taste like cotton candy.

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But to be fair, cotton candy really is just sugar.

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Right.

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So it's just sugar grapes?

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Now here's what you need to understand, alright, and this is why it's my bright spot.

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The packaging is exactly as defensive about that as you would imagine.

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It's not just sugar.

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Seriously, it's like they taste like cotton candy and they know that your first reaction

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is going to be like, oh okay, so they're sweet grapes.

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And then you eat one and you're like, shit, this tastes like cotton candy, and their packaging

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is so fucking different, it's like, no, we know you think it's just sugar.

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Give us a chance.

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Give us a chance.

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It's really cotton candy.

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Where'd you get these, at the grocery store?

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Yeah, I got them at the grocery store.

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Weird.

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Yeah, I know.

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Fantastic.

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We're going to different grocery stores because I've not seen candy grapes.

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Me neither.

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Oh, that's cool, that's cool.

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I'll keep my eyes open.

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It's a bright spot and it's great.

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Oh, also I saw that someone posted a picture of the Skittles gummies with weed in them.

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Yes they did.

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So those do exist.

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Well done.

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Or at least Skittles with weed in them.

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Please don't mail them to us, I think that's still a federal crime.

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I think so.

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You should be able to find them though, based on the legality here in the city of Chicago.

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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

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We're going to be talking about the 4th of July, which is Alex's 4th of July, honestly.

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Yeah.

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Well, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Metaphorically, it's his big day.

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It's the Christmas and July sale of Christmases.

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Yeah, so we're going to talk about that a little bit and then something else entirely.

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But before we get to that, we're going to get deep.

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Giving someone life is giving someone death.

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You could say that life is death.

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You could.

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God, I'll never get tired of that.

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Just the simple-minded confusion whenever he lands upon...

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You know, life and death are one and the same.

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It's just perfect.

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Yes.

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I just love it.

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I love it so much.

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He's a philosopher.

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He's a philosopher.

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So Elaine, out in New Zealand, want to wish you a happy birthday?

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Also, I will say this, from the people who are requesting buttons, we have a listenership

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in New Zealand that surprises me a little bit.

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I love it.

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And that is something that I definitely would consider going to do a show.

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Oh yeah.

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An excuse to go to New Zealand.

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I am pretty sure in order to get citizenship in New Zealand, you need a sponsor, and hey,

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if you are a wonk, I might need it.

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Also, Jeff reached out and wanted us to wish Diana a happy birthday, so happy birthday,

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Diana.

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Happy birthday, Diana.

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And brother Sean, Sean, the brother of this person, messaged and wanted to wish his brother...

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Not someone named brother Sean.

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Well, I didn't know how to phrase this.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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Anyway, Sean wanted to wish his brother, Cody, a happy birthday.

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Well, happy birthday, Cody.

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Happy birthday, Cody.

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Quote, thank you, I don't know why I have to say quote, like it's a primary source.

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Quoting from the Washington Post.

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Quote, thank you for helping me become the wonk I am today or perhaps I should be asking

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for an apology.

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Unquote.

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Yes, well done.

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Yeah, I would very much be disappointed if you didn't end those brackets.

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Otherwise we could be in trouble.

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You gotta make sure you have the whole rest of this episode.

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We could be slanderous.

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So Jordan, on the 4th, that was over the weekend, Alex Jones put out a special report, or he

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put out a report on the 4th, that I thought was, you know, eh, underwhelming.

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Okay.

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So I want to encourage everybody to be the captain of your own life.

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And to think about, even though it's cheesy, metaphorically putting a captain's hat on.

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Oh, you gotta stop right there really quick.

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He is wearing that captain's hat that may or may not be the same one from his Halloween

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story.

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Is he wearing a Nazi cap?

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It might be the same one from his Halloween story where everyone said it was a Nazi hat

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and he got really defensive about it.

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But yeah, he's wearing the hat in order for him to be like, be the captain of your own

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life.

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Like this, I'm wearing a hat.

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Oh boy.

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That's bad.

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Saying, I'm going to try to chart my own course in life.

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I'm not just going to believe CNN or the New York Times or the United Nations or Dr. Fauci.

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And there's a great example of declaring independence from the new world order and the globalist

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and taking our lives back one person, one household, one town, one state, one country

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at a time.

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And it's a big interview, an emergency broadcast that Joe Rogan did, an emergency podcast with

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two scientists that have been censored, demonetized and persecuted because they're covering mainline

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truth.

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This episode of Rogan's podcast that Alex is referring to came out on June 22nd and

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didn't feature two scientists, COVID scientists.

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It featured one scientist named Pierre Corey and one member of the intellectual dark web

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named Brett Weinstein.

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Sure.

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If you don't remember Brett Weinstein, I envy you.

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He rose to prominence because he was a professor at Evergreen State College and he got really

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mad about the 2017 day of absence.

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If you forgot about that, it was the thing where every year minority students and faculty

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members can choose to stay off campus as a way of celebrating the things that they bring

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to the school.

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Yeah, I remember that.

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In 2017, they decided to try to reverse the experience and asked white students and faculty

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to voluntarily stay off campus for the day.

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Oh my god, I hate this guy so much.

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Brett Weinstein made a big deal out of this and took it upon himself to enlist the help

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of Fox News and countless other shitheads to turn this into one of the most pressing

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matters of free speech in America.

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White racism!

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This national attention, naturally, made the situation on campus more intense and protests

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began and escalated, which culminated in Weinstein and his wife resigning from the school and

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suing for 3.8 million dollars, claiming that the school had failed to protect him from

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students.

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Uh, sure.

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To get some sense of how frivolous his shit was, the school settled the case with him

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and his wife for $250,000 each, which is a ridiculously small amount for the couple to

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accept unless they knew they were lucky to get anything.

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Yeah, they were very lucky to get something.

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Since then, Weinstein's been a guest on Rogan a few times and is just a general dumb-dumb

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hanging out with idiots like Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin.

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In the 2020 election, he used his position to try to draft Tulsi Gabbard and Dan Crenshaw

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onto a ticket to run for president on the Unity 2020 ticket.

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Well, that woulda done it!

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That woulda solved it.

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We gotta bring it together.

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That woulda fuckin' hooveled the Americas.

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That's what woulda happened on that one.

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What ticket would appeal to the left and the right?

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Or nobody?

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I can't think of more of an oxymoronic statement than emergency podcast.

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Yeah, uh, that is, well, I mean, I guess we're sort of joking whenever we say there's an

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emergency episode.

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We're very joking.

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Um, also, uh, Bret Weinstein's brother is another member of the intellectual dark web,

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Eric Weinstein, who's one of the managing directors at Teal Capital.

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That company, of course, is run by Peter Thiel, who famously made giant donations to Trump's

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2016 campaign, spoke at the Republican convention that year, and of course bankrolled Hulk Hogan's

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lawsuit that took down Gawker.

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Yeah, there's very little difference between Teal Capital and, uh, the Legion of Doom.

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Yeah, my point here is that the Weinsteins are super cool.

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Yeah.

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They're great guys.

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Lately, Bret has been, uh, getting into some COVID territory and, uh, has been widely rebuked

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for his public promotion of ivermectin as a cure for the virus.

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Oh, god damn it.

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He was going on Rogan's show to discuss this along with this doctor friend.

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Pierre Corry is a doctor who's been making very suspect claims about ivermectin since

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at least late 2020, calling it a, quote, wonder drug, even though the actual evidence for

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such a claim is very lacking.

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There are some studies that appear to indicate slight benefits that could come from ivermectin,

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but they're far from definitive.

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Other studies show no benefit from the drug.

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There just isn't consistent good data to show that it's a cure, and people who go around

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promoting it as such are acting in ways that are super dangerous for the general public.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, Alex is doing a 4th of July special report and he decided to open by talking about

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how Joe Rogan did an episode two weeks ago with this doctor and Bret Weinstein overhyping

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ivermectin, and that's a declaration of independence or something.

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This is sad.

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Well done.

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Yeah, that's, that's great.

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This is, this is a mess.

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You know, the, America's-

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This is the 4th of July.

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America's history, if we're going to talk about the 4th of July episode, let's get-

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We're not much.

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Let's get into the, the history of the United States.

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I just want to say that one of the big problems that really is coming back to bite us is our

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long history of loving snake oil salesmen to the point where now you can hear the word

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wonder drug and I go, oh, you mean snake oil?

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And other people are like, I love wonder drugs.

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And you're like, well, we're just stuck with this forever.

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This is just how we live.

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Yeah.

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We made a mistake in being like, uh, like cheery, rooting for the, uh, the scam artists

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to get out of the monorail.

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If it weren't for Phil Hartman crushing the monorail song, we would be way better off.

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You think that's where it started?

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I think that's where it started.

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I think that was all, it all goes back to the Simpsons, Dan.

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So everything goes back on this episode or this special report to Rogan, I guess.

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I mean, that's what the 4th of July is about.

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Sure.

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We've got these two big scientists that are very well known, being censored and demonetized

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off YouTube or their platforms, telling the truth.

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And Joe had the courage to have them on and have them lay this all out.

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And it's a very, very powerful interview.

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I watched it a few days ago.

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So I guess Alex watched the whole thing and didn't realize that Brett Weinstein isn't

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a censored COVID doctor, which is weird.

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Which it takes to bring two dumb, dumb scam artists onto your $100 million podcast, listened

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by the most number of people in the world.

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Very brave.

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How brave.

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How courageous.

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Also since that episode had come out and before this 4th of July report that Alex is doing,

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Rogan had Quentin Tarantino on as a guest, which should infuriate Alex.

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Alex hates Quentin Tarantino and Joe should know better than to have that kind of a globalist

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on his show.

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Yeah, that's trouble.

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That's going to get people in trouble.

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I've got to do an emergency episode about how Joe had Quentin Tarantino on, not mad

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about that.

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Oh man, I'm going to try and get back on.

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So we got a little headline here that Alex brings up.

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The Defender had a good boil down of it.

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Joe Rogan's emergency podcast questions YouTube censorship of content showing ivermectin

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as an effective COVID-19 treatment.

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You ever hear of The Defender?

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No.

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Yeah, it seemed like an interesting citation.

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I hadn't really heard him toss out that as a place he got news from before.

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Oh, I thought that was just like a person who was defending this bullshit.

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I thought it was like a tweet, a Twitter defender, you know, like that.

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No, The Defender is a publication.

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Yeah, it's an outlet.

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Oh, no.

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Turns out it's an online publication put out by a group called the Children's Health Defense.

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There we go.

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That's an anti-abortion group.

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That's an anti-abortion group.

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Oh, come on.

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That's an anti-trafficking, anti-abortion, bullshit group.

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No, no, no, no.

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Children's Health Defense means anti-abortion.

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No, no, no, no.

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It sounds great to me.

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I love defending the health of children.

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No, everybody does.

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It's pretty cool.

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Why is it an anti-abortion group?

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Nah, case closed.

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Sorry.

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Children's Defense of Health.

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Great.

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Sure.

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It turns out it's an anti-vax outfit run by Robert Kennedy Jr.

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Theronites!

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Yeah.

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They began in 2016 being called the World Mercury Project, but then changed their name

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probably because they want to try and obscure the fact that there are out and out intense

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anti-vax advocates as opposed to independent purveyors of information.

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I thought the estate of Freddie Mercury sued them.

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No, no, it was about Mercury being in the vaccine.

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Yeah, of course it is.

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Preservatives.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Anyway, this is a band of anti-vaccine propagandists, so it makes, you know, sense why they would

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call their outlet something innocuous like The Defender, so you can cite their articles

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without sounding like you're the kind of person who takes Robert Kennedy Jr. seriously.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because that's one of the sources Alex considers not fake news, which is pretty sweet.

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That's great.

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That's real great.

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That's real great.

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Yup.

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And it's kind of funny how they get paid by people who are anti-vax people who get money

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from being anti-vax people, and by putting this out, people are less likely to take vaccines

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and more likely to give money to the anti-vax people who pay for the coverage in The Defender.

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So people, I'm starting to see how this business model works.

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I think it's a good one.

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It is.

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Yeah.

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It works.

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It does work.

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So we have this 4th of July special report, which is just Alex in the middle of a field

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or maybe his backyard, I don't know, with his hat on.

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Probably taking a break from the barbecue.

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Yeah, this is a barbecue that if you turn the camera around, there's a ton of people

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all enjoying themselves.

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Rob Dues passed out on a lawn chair.

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Totally, totally.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Some random dude is fishing nearby.

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Yup.

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Got it.

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Buckley is mixing on the ones and twos.

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They had to ask him to turn off the music for a little bit so Alex could do his special

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report.

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So yeah, this is the last little clip I have.

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So I hereby declare my independence on July 4, 2021, again, from the New World Order.

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I declare myself a sovereign free human being.

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Again?

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Saying I'm not their slave and I pledge my life, my honor, my funds, my children, everything

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I am on the altar of liberty, as Thomas Jefferson said, over every form of tyranny over the

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mind of man.

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So I mean, your response to that is so right.

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I mean, again, this is so meaningless.

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Again?

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So anyway, I know it's been a while since we've done a little bit of discussion about

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Jefferson and Alex quoted him, so I don't, I think that we've gone into this a little

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bit in the past, but I want to read you the larger context of that Jefferson quote that

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gets thrown around a lot.

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Sure.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This is from a letter from 1800 that he sent to Benjamin Rush.

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Right.

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Quote, I promised you a letter on Christianity, which I have not forgotten.

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On the contrary, it is because I've reflected on it that I find much more time necessary

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for it than I can at present dispose of.

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I have a view of the subject which ought to displease neither the rational Christian or

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deist and would reconcile many to a character they have too hastily rejected.

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I do not know, however, it would reconcile the irritable tribe of prophets who are all

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in arms against me.

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Their hostility is on too interesting ground to be softened.

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The delusions into which the XYZ plot shoot it possible to push the people, the successful

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experiment made under the prevalence of that delusion on the cause of the Constitution,

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which while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion,

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had given to the clergy a favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular

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form of Christianity through the United States.

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And as every sect believes its own form, the true one, everyone perhaps hoped for its own.

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But especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists.

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The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes, and they believe

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that any position of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes.

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And they believe truly, for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against

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every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

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But this is all they have to fear from me.

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And slavery is... every form of tyranny over the...

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So while it is true that Thomas Jefferson said essentially the words that Alex loves

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to quote, the reality is that every time Alex repeats that saying, he's using it incorrectly.

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The context that Jefferson said those words in had to do with an opposition to Christian

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churches using the First Amendment freedom of religion to establish what would effectively

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be an official religion of the United States.

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If Alex had been around in 1800, he would have absolutely been one of the irritable

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tribe of prophets who were at war with Jefferson.

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100.

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And the irony of Alex using this quote to pump himself up in his quest to bring about

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a Christian theocracy in the United States, that is not lost on me.

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No.

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If Alex understood the primary sources he uses, I honestly think that this would be

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A-plus trolling.

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Yeah.

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Using this quote in the way that he uses it.

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Oh yeah.

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While pushing for the things that he pushes for.

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Yeah, it's analogous exactly to their form of Christianity insofar as it's like, it says

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what we say it does and god damn you if you read it.

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That's a terrible idea.

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You'll realize that it doesn't mean what we say it means and that's why we tell you not

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to read.

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Don't read.

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Don't read.

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So I found this video message really confusing.

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The title of it is We Are Winning, Alex Jones' 2021 Fourth of July message, which kind of

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flies in the face of his routine outbursts about how we're all going to die whenever

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he has tech problems in studio, but whatever.

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Also apropos, considering he's wearing a Nazi hat while he's doing this, they are seeming

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to be winning right now.

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Allegedly Nazi hat.

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The video itself was basically just him trying to pump himself up and talking about a recent

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episode of the Rogan podcast.

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He spends like a third of the video suggesting guests that Joe should have on.

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It's absurd.

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Did he suggest us?

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No.

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Oh, that's surprising.

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And I'm going to preemptively reject that invitation.

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I'll go on.

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I'm going to preemptively reject that invitation that, let's be clear, will never come.

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Never come, but I will go on if it's Tim Jay Dillon and Joe Rogan and I just get to shit

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on them all the time.

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I'll do it.

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I don't think that's it.

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I'll take that swing.

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I felt like this video was just pathetic, and it was the energy that Alex was bringing

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on the Fourth of July, which should be this day to shine.

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I just don't know how interested I could possibly be to see what he's doing on the fifth or

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talk about what I just like, if you can't get it going on the fourth, you have really

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disappointed.

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Yeah.

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I really thought that he was going to come.

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When you said there was a July 4th special video, I thought he was going to come out

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swinging against critical race theory.

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That's something.

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That's the thing in my mind that was like, that's him going to be patriotic.

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I thought, I thought there would be something, something.

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So I just was like, okay, you're on timeout.

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I'm going to look around your website, see what I can figure out, see if I can get the

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temperature of Info Wars based on Band.video, see what's going on.

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So I found a couple of interesting things.

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The first thing I found was that all of Alex's shows have recently been pushing Nick Fuentes

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quite a bit.

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Oh, fuck me.

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I suspect one element of this is I think that Nick was recently like in Austin, so he just

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went and did all the shows.

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Also, I think that Nick might be realizing, who cares?

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What do I have to lose by trying to steal Alex's audience?

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I'm already an out and out avowed white nationalist.

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What's lower?

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Where can I go lower?

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Yeah, the worst I can do is co-opt, or the best I can do is probably co-opt Alex's audience,

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get them over on my side.

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The worst thing that can happen is I get kicked off Info Wars' streaming platform because

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I'm too...

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No!

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Right.

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And then I get to call Alex a Zionist cuck or something.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Great.

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He'll get publicity out of starting a feud.

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Yeah.

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No matter what, it's a win for him.

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No, he's a winner.

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So, also, the other thing that I realized is bad news for them.

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Yeah.

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I compared the view totals of the other main shows that Alex has.

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Sure.

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How are they doing?

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Oh, and Troyer's War Room and Harrison Smith's American Journal.

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Man, for some of their clickbait titles of their little videos, little clips that they

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put out of their shows, some of them have okay views, but man, no one is watching their

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actual shows.

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Yeah, of course not.

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It's a no man's land over there in terms of their full videos, it's oof.

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I almost want to go back and see how many old David Knight views we have now and just

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see if he's really like kicking himself just going like, God damn it, I've got Harrison

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Smith boring people with his white nationalist garbage.

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I think that David Knight had an appeal to a different segment than any of these shows

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do.

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I think so too, yeah.

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I think there was a terrible decision from a business standpoint.

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No, you've got to pick Stevie P's of David Knight.

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Didn't even give Steve his own show yet.

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Nope.

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So I felt like it was time, like I said, to take a little bit of a day away from Alex,

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let him cool his heels a little bit.

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Sure, sure.

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And honestly though, Owen and Harrison were looking like real disappointments, but then

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I realized they're featuring Nick Fuentes a lot, and then I remembered that Nick was

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just given his own channel on Alex's website, band.video.

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He has his own America First channel on there.

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Get the fuck out.

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I felt like maybe it was time that we check in and see what kind of content Nick was putting

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out and that Alex is signing off on and hosting on his own website.

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Oh, fuck me.

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No, it'll be fun.

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No, why are you making me do this?

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No, you're going to get so mad.

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You already know what would happen.

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I honestly think that when I started this, I was like, ah, this will be fun.

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This will make Jordan mad.

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And as I got through it, I was like, wow, I can't believe that this is just on Alex's

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website.

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Oh, God.

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Some of it is a bit even more overt than I was expecting.

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Jesus.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Cool.

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Cool, cool, cool, cool.

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So the first video that I saw, I was like, let's check this out.

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Sure.

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The title of it is The Purpose of Juneteenth is White Replacement.

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If they changed it to that, I'm fine with it.

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But also they'd have to change it to that.

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Yes, they would have to change it to that, but if they did, I'm fine with it.

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So here's how this starts.

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And here's our latest example, which proves I'm right.

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This is an article from Nathan Ray, who's some R&B singer, and I'm sure this is a sentiment

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shared by a lot of black people and a lot of non-white people in this country.

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She says, why stop at Independence Day?

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We should have a new American flag.

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And this is an op-ed she wrote.

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She said, quote, the Confederate battle flag, which was created as a symbol of opposition

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to the abolition of slavery, is just recently tired.

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We don't see it much anymore.

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However, on the 6th, when the stormers rained on the nation's most precious hut, waving

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old glory, the memo was received.

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The American flag is its replacement.

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It's a little disappointing that the underpinning of Nick's argument is an op-ed that was written

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by Macy Gray that was published not in the New York Times or the Washington Post, but

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on Market Watch.

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No disrespect to Macy Gray or Market Watch, but this isn't the level of thing that I would

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expect a self-respecting white nationalist to take seriously.

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Yeah.

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No disrespect to Macy Gray.

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Fuck Market Watch.

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If you pay close attention to how Nick is discussing this article, you can see a couple

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of really important assumptions and fabrications that he has to make in order for this to even

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be something he can use for his narrative.

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Sure.

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The first is that he has to take this op-ed written by Macy Gray and present it not just

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as her opinion, but as an opinion that Nick sure is shared by a lot of non-white people.

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I guess if what Nick was responding to was a giant groundswell of support for this op-ed,

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specifically in non-white communities, then he might be able to make that rhetorical trick

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work, but as it stands, he's just responding to one person's opinion and then pretending

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he's responding to a consensus view.

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He's doing that because he knows it would come off as a little sad if he were just this

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upset about an op-ed written by a singer whose biggest hit came out just after his first

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birthday.

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He has to make a much bigger deal out of this than it is to justify his outrage.

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The second thing he does is escalate the argument that's being made by Macy Gray.

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Nick says, quote, she says why stop at Independence Day, we should have a new American flag.

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This op-ed says nothing about replacing Independence Day with Juneteenth.

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That's just Nick's thing.

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Just didn't happen.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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That's complete distortion of the argument that Gray is making in the piece.

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This is just about the idea that maybe we should get a new flag.

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A bunch of shitheads are ruining this one and also DC and Puerto Rico should be states

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so we should add more stars.

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Gray does even bring up how our flag hasn't been consistent through the country's history

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and the current version's only like- No, it's sacrosanct!

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Okay.

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The points brought up in this op-ed are things you can agree with or disagree with.

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You can think it's a good idea to make a new flag or think it's a bad one, but in order

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for your reaction to rise to the level of racist outrage that Nick wants to engage in,

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you really do have to create a strawman version to attack, so that's what he's doing.

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This isn't just an op-ed written by Macy Gray.

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She's speaking for large groups of non-whites.

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Sure.

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This isn't just an idea about a flag redesign.

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It's secretly about replacing Independence Day with Juneteenth.

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It's nonsense.

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Man, he will not like my interpretation of Lisa Left Eye and the correctness of burning

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down houses.

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Oh no.

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I'll tell you that right now because I'm pretty sure I read an op-ed by Lisa Left Eye's ghost

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that said, burn down Nick Fuentes' house.

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How many shoes does it have?

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Now, I don't know!

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Shoes plus bathtub equals...

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It was in Benzinga or whatever fucking finance website there are.

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So here's Nick talking about the horrors that will happen because of this idea of possibly

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updating the flag.

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Ooh, that's gonna scare me.

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That's gonna scare me.

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After this reaches its final destination, what do you have left?

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Probably nothing before the 20th century.

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Maybe nothing before the 21st century.

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How long before they say that anything before Barack Obama is the new Confederate flag?

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Anything before Barack Obama is the new Jefferson Davis?

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Anything before Barack Obama is the new Ku Klux Klan?

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How long before Juneteenth becoming a national holiday, June 19th, 2021, is our new Independence

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Day and Barack Obama was our founding father?

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That seems to be where all of this is headed.

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And tell me that it's me and Pat Buchanan and Michelle Morgan and the paleo-cons and

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Donald Trump fighting to preserve our white European Western Christian identity as a nation

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and these people trying to destroy that and replace it with a black, foreign, non-white

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liberation theology post-colonial identity on the same side against who?

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All these Jews and all these intellectuals and all these other people that don't believe

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in race, all these boomer idiot conservatives that say that race isn't real and identity

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isn't real and we all have to build a new country on the fact that we buy Nike and we

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listen to popular music, that's the nature of our struggle?

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Holy shit.

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That was an astonishing amount of racism compacted into a very short period of time.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It is, I mean, these conversations and stuff like this is not unfamiliar to places like

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Stormfront or whatever.

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This is what's on Alex's site now.

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This is what he's giving a channel to.

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Straight up.

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Yeah.

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Man.

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I've realized, I think this is what I'm learning, is that there's just no way to talk to people

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like Nick Fuentes.

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No, probably not.

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You just can't do it.

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What we got to do, all right, here's my new plant, Cesar Millan it, all right?

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Whenever somebody's nearby and he's saying some racist shit, you just poke him right

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in the neck and you're like, until he stops.

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And then whenever he stops, you give him a nice little training treat.

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You know what I'm saying?

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You got to do it the old fashioned, like Skinner, straight up behavioral fucking modification.

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That's what we got to do.

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That's the only way.

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I mean, I think that- I did make a reference to Danny the dog on

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our last episode, so maybe I'm wrong about that.

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I think that what you just said will be interpreted by someone like Nick as being like, they want

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to put us in retraining camps.

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Yeah, I mean.

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I just think- I want to put you in dog camps.

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All right, this is Jordan's opinion.

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So I think like I was watching that and I was like, God, this is pretty- I mean, this

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is a distortion of what was being said in the op-ed that's being used specifically for

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the reasons of being able to create this backlash argument.

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Right, right, right.

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And I was like, wow, that's- A distortion that turns into wholesale fabrication

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on top of that.

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Yeah.

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And I thought this was pretty bad, just like as a first volley.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I was like, hey, what else is going on over here on the old Fuentes channel?

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And then I saw this video, the screenshot of it, the image, is Matt Gaetz and Marjorie

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Taylor Greene, an arrow pointing to Matt Gaetz, it says grifter, and an arrow pointing

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to Marjorie Taylor Greene that says fake, and it says these people are not America first.

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And the title of the video is, Wake Up, The Holocaust Religion is Antithetical to America

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First.

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Ah, bark, bark, bark, bark, bark.

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Yep, that's about all I got for that.

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So here's a little bit of that clip.

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These people are not America first.

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You can't be America first and go out weeping and apologizing about the Holocaust museum.

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The Holocaust happened on another continent 100 years ago.

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There's a genocide perpetrated now against Americans and no one even cares.

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And you think that's an exaggeration?

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Marjorie Taylor Greene was called out because she compared the vaccine mandate to the Holocaust.

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Do you think it's a little bit comparable that today in America, white people are not

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allowed to get COVID stimulus money from the government?

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No.

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Do you think that's a little bit comparable?

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No.

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If you're a white person and you call your bank and say, I'd like to apply for the personal

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paycheck protection program loan for self-employed people, and they'll tell you you're white,

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you're not eligible to apply, you think that's a little similar?

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You think if you're a farmer or a restaurant owner and you call up your bank and say, I'd

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like to apply for the COVID relief because the government wrecked the economy, and they

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say, you're not eligible to apply because you're white, that that's a little bit the

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same?

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I was unaware that white people couldn't get COVID stimulus money, and in fact, I actually

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know many white people, some individual citizens and some small business owners who actually

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did get loans and stimulus money, so I have no idea what Nick is talking about.

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Yeah, I know plenty.

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I know plenty.

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Yeah.

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So I tried to look into this a little bit and I found a couple of stories that kind

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of are the opposite of what Nick is talking about.

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The LA Times reported in April 2020 that US citizens who are immigrants and are married

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to non-citizens were specifically excluded from Trump's financial relief package that

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covered over 1 million citizens who were cut out.

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Yeah, I was going to say my problem with Nick's first thought that white people can't get

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it is that it is mathematically impossible that the vast majority of those funds did

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not go to white people.

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Sure.

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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Like, the vast majority went to white people.

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Yeah.

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What I'm talking about was a provision of the COVID relief bill that provided $5 billion

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in relief to, quote, disadvantaged farmers, approximately a quarter of whom are black.

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From an article in The Washington Post, quote, black farmers in America have lost more than

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12 million acres of farmland over the past century, mostly since the 1950s, a result

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of what agricultural experts and advocates for black farmers say is a combination of

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systemic racism, biased government policy and social and business practices that have

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denied African Americans equitable access to markets.

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Yeah.

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The farm version of redlining.

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Yeah.

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Discrimination started a century ago with a series of federal homestead acts that offered

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mainly white settlers deeply subsidized land.

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Since then, local US departments of agriculture offices charged with distributing loans have

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frequently been found to deny black farmers access to credit and to ignore or delay loan

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applications.

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Many black farmers don't have clear title to their land, which makes them ineligible

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for certain USDA loans to purchase livestock or cover the cost of planting, and they have

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seldom benefited from subsidy payments or trade mitigation compensation.

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Almost all of President Donald Trump's $28 billion bailout for those affected by the

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China trade war went to white farmers.

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According to the assessment they cite, the average white farmer received $3,398 from

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Trump's bailout, while the average black farmer received $422.

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Right.

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I'm not going to, I'm going to be fine.

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There's a larger problem regarding how independent agriculture is treated in this country regardless

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of race, and that's something that we do absolutely have to work on, but it's also completely

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absurd to look at the history of black farming in America and not recognize that there was

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a concerted attempt to exclude black people from having access to and participating in

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that market.

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You can be against this if you want, as Nick clearly does want, but to frame opposition

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to the provision of the COVID relief bill as white people are being genocided because

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they can't get COVID stimulus, that's a little bit much.

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Considering this is also just a $5 billion provision in a $1.9 trillion bill.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I guess maybe if he's talking about something else where all white people couldn't get COVID

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relief.

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I don't know what that is though.

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I know that this was a big talking point among his community and his crowd.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I really despise, I really despise that the people most obsessed with portraying themselves

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as like self sustaining fucking amazing individualists only ever seem to follow whiny cowards who

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pick the tiniest bullshit to then tell them that every victimization that they've ever

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imagined is true.

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And they're all a bunch of morons and I hate it.

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I hate it.

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Yeah.

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I hate it.

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It's infuriating.

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And I think you're going to have a real tough time with some of the rest of the stuff we're

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going to be talking about.

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Oh no.

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I think it might be a good idea.

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This might be an instance of an episode where it's all miked down.

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No interruption over any clips.

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I feel like interruption but from afar.

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Okay.

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Because otherwise I'm pretty sure you're going to yell over a lot of this.

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And I would like to present Nick in his own words.

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I don't want to, I don't want to show like a distorted version.

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It's not an Alex yelling over Brian Stelter show.

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I get it.

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I get it.

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I don't know if you, and I'm not saying this is a failing on your part, I don't know if

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you'd be able to stop yourself.

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I'm not worried that I will not be heard no matter where the microphone in this room may

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be.

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As a default, keep it a little bit away from you is all I'm saying because we're about

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to get it to all mass.

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Oh my god.

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How?

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How is this possible?

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So Nick put out a video that is, it's got some real emotional music behind it.

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And it is a plea about how the system hates white people.

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System hates them.

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Which system?

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The system.

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The system.

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Right.

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Which system is that?

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The system of my heart?

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The system.

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You just got to understand it's the system.

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Okay.

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So here's where we're going to begin on this.

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And I've cut out very little from this, this seven minute report.

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Oh god.

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A couple of little bits I did, but they were where he's just repeating himself essentially.

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Here's the beginning and oh boy.

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Let's just call what it is.

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The system hates white people.

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It's just what it is.

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And everybody wants to call it everything other than that.

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They want to call it everything other than what it is.

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You may hear conservatives talk about cultural Marxism, critical race theory.

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That's the new one.

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It's more than critical race theory, CRT and critical race theory has Marxist origins.

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It's socialism.

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It's communism.

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It's anti-Western.

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It's anti-Western civilization, anti-Western culture.

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Conservatives even will call it anything other than what it is because it's not politically

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correct to say what it is.

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You can't utter it in polite society, but we all know what it is.

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It's racial.

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It's racial hatred.

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They hate white people.

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This little boy, Cash Gurnon, was murdered, dragged out of his bed in the middle of the

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night in his home and murdered outside his house in the street by a black man because

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he was white.

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That black guy killed a white boy because he was white and this black guy hated white

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people.

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That's why he did it.

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It was an act of hatred.

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It wasn't random.

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It was an act of racial hatred perpetrated by a black male against a white boy.

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Why is everybody so afraid to call it that?

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Of course that's what it is.

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There's one really important thing that needs to be kept in mind entirely as we discuss

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this situation, and that is that this case is pretty recent.

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At this point, there is a suspect who's been arrested and charged, but he's not been found

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guilty.

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While it may very well turn out to be the case that this 18-year-old, Darren Brown,

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did in fact kill this four-year-old child, Nick Fuentes is making a lot of assumptions

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about the circumstances in order to make this child's death an emotionally resonant centerpiece

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for his white identity propaganda.

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The woman taking care of the child, the circumstance here is basically that the woman was the girlfriend

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of the child's parent, and the child's parent father had left town, and so she was taking

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care of the kid at the time.

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So this woman, she identified Brown from a surveillance footage of the child being taken

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from his crib, and she knew Brown because he was friends with her son.

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Additionally, police have stated that sunglasses, shoes, and hoodie that were taken from Brown

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after a search test is positive for the child's blood, so it does look like there's a decent

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case coming together that he may be guilty.

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Sure.

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A court will determine what it determines, but a case is being built.

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Sure.

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That said, even if you are to break with the American tradition, Nick loves America, break

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with that tradition of presuming innocence until a court finds someone guilty, and you

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decide that he is definitely the murderer, it's still super unfair the way Nick is presenting

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this case.

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Nick is saying that Brown killed this four-year-old child because the child was white, and that

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he hated white people.

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I've read a number of pieces about this case, and I don't know where Nick could possibly

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be getting that from.

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What seems much more likely is that Darren Brown is somebody who is experiencing a terrifying

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and awful mental disturbance.

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In February of this year, Brown was also alleged to have broken into another home nearby, and

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appeared to be in the middle of a burglary when he was confronted by the homeowner.

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They got into a quarrel, and Brown was removed from the house.

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Thereupon, he re-entered and attempted to take the man's two-year-old granddaughter.

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The grandfather fought Brown off and protected the young child, but decided not to press

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charges at that time.

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From a CBS article about the situation, quote, two weeks after the incident, the man ran

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into Brown at Walmart.

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He told police that Brown approached him and apologized, saying he was sorry for breaking

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into his house and trying to take his grandchild.

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Additionally, another neighbor, Jose Alvarado, decided to check his security cameras after

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the murder to see if he could find anything.

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Ten weeks prior to the murder, he found video of Brown, quote, skulking down the street,

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opening Alvarado's backyard gate, and peering in before quickly walking away.

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Alvarado has multiple young children.

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Brown's mother has also stated that he's a patient at an adult treatment center, and

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there have been some speculations that he may be schizophrenic.

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All of the details of this story are absent from Nick's version of it, because those are

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indications that maybe there's more to this case than just a matter of relative skin colors

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of victim and alleged perpetrator.

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Nick doesn't want to tell people about the multiple other instances in that neighborhood

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of Brown appearing to be trying to take children, because it would overcomplicate the story

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and make it no longer useful for him to use as a prop that he needs to justify his white

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identity anger, and that anger is something he's felt long before this case ever came

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along.

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Oh, yeah.

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I'm all for humanizing victims of crimes, and I think that what happened here is a complete

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unqualified tragedy.

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From all available evidence, I just don't see any support for the version of the story

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that Nick is telling where this is a racially motivated crime.

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By insisting that this crime is motivated by racial hate towards white people from black

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people, what Nick is attempting to do is take the justifiable and understandable emotional

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reaction that a listener might have to hearing about this case, that he wants to transform

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that into anger at black people and a defensiveness about being white.

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He's effectively trying to use this child's death as fuel for his racism machine, which

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I find repulsive.

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One of the main points I want to make here is that all of the information that I reviewed,

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I can find no indication that would lead me to make the assumption that Nick is making

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about the motive of this case.

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Articles often even include a comment from Cameron, the son of the woman who was watching

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the child at the time.

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Cameron also went to school with Brown.

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They went to the same, I think they were even the same age.

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Cameron was asked about a possible motive and he said, quote, random, yes, random, out

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of nowhere, for no reason.

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There's no reason for none of this.

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It's not from revenge, not from hate, not from none of that, nothing.

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To get back at us, nothing.

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There are actually indications in the articles and primary sources from people involved in

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the situation that they don't believe that it was a crime motivated by hate, but this

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is the exact opposite of the story as reported by Nick Fuentes.

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Because the reality is that Nick doesn't care about this story at all, outside of how he

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can use it to push his worldview.

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He doesn't care about this child or his family.

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He doesn't care about any of the pain that anyone involved is feeling.

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That's just the facade that Nick puts on in order to give his bigotry some plausible deniability

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and make it acceptable to behave this way.

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Yeah.

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It's gross.

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This is, it's fucked up and it's an assault.

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It's an assault in the sense that the way that I'm, the way that you interact with this

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story if you are at all a empathetic person is to hear the story and just feel nothing

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but heartbreak for everyone involved.

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Terror.

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It's just absolutely nightmarish.

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And then for somebody with a mental illness, that kind of other terror of like there but

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for the grace, you know what I'm saying?

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But whenever Nick Fuentes gets involved, you can't experience that empathy.

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He blocks it by forcing you to feel nothing but rage either at something or at him.

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It is like if you are wondering, it's like if you're wandering up to somebody who is

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bleeding out on the fucking ground and then you have somebody just barge in and tell you

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why it's okay for them to be dying and you don't have time to help that person out because

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you're too busy trying to fight off how fucking awful this person is as they try and kill

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them.

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That's a fascinating thought.

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And I guess that kind of gets into I guess a little bit of the difference in our reactions

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you know because I don't get that anger at Nick.

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I mean I understand it but that's not my immediate reaction.

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My immediate reaction is let's see what the details of the story are.

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And I think a lot of people probably do respond the same way that you're talking about.

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That's probably why he acts like such a big troll is to elicit that angry response that

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does not allow you to deal with the reality of the situations that he's covered.

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I can't do any good.

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All I can do is feel fury at this human being that is exploiting people who I also can't

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help and just feel rage about it.

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It doesn't help anybody do anything and it's simply an assault on everyone who listens.

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It is an assault and that's what fucking drives me so insane when we're talking about like

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illegality and freedom of speech and all that shit.

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This is an absolute fucking override of any humanity.

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Yeah and maybe that's the lesson or maybe that's something that's good to recognize

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is like that anger is okay to feel but in its absence it's meaningless or it's playing

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into the hands of the people like Nick Fuentes if all you do is feel like a fuck you at him

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or whatever.

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Totally.

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Now I can't help that person who's bleeding out.

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All I have is fury.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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There needs to be like a recognition of not a like don't you can't feel bad at yourself

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because you're angry at them but there needs to be another layer to it.

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And then and that brings you to a resentment like my first reaction to him talking about

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this story is that I can't allow myself to feel that full open empathy towards the subject

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of his story because if I do that's his trap you know and so my reaction to that of course

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is fury because you're taking away my ability to even be a human being.

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You're forcing me to focus on your bullshit and then I feel a resentment that what am

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I doing being angry this anger doesn't solve anything it doesn't help us it doesn't help

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him it doesn't help the person who's suffering you know it's a fucking assault.

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So this goes on.

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I'm doing great I'm gonna put my mic down for the next two or three hours.

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Sounds good.

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So this video continues with its very dramatic music.

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What has been engendered in the population for the past two years what's been engendered

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in the population for the past 30 years other than anti-white hatred what are people learning

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in the schools when you go to grade school and you go to American history class what

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do you learn about in the new Howard Zinn curriculum you learn about how white people

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genocided the indigenous Americans white people enslaved black people and brought them over

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here once freed by whites.

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Whites mistreated blacks by being racist towards them terrorizing them plant segregating them

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making them drink in separate water fountains we hear about how white supremacist Nazis

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try to take over the whole world with their fascist ideology in World War II with Adolf

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Hitler real quick so far this is just a list of things that are real and it's not like

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in school that's all you know you also learn other stuff yeah yeah what is his problem

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that people just all his argument is people always always only talk about how bad white

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people are why don't we get rid of that part and just talk about how great white people

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are I guess that's his argument yeah I hate him and it was white it was because they

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were Aryan it's because they were white supremacist because they believed in racial purity of

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the Aryan race that that made them uniquely evil they perpetrated the Holocaust against

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Jews and that was by far and away the most obscene worst genocide ever in the history

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of the world and then when all was said and done white people races to the Muslims that

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blew up the World Trade Center white people are races to black criminals and the police

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basically people are bred from cradle until grave thinking that white people are uniquely

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evil people white people bear a special guilt for all the problems of this country all the

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problems of every other group and really like all the problems of humanity this is like

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legitimately indistinguishable from like white supremacist propaganda that was coming out

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that's a Nazi 10 years ago this is this is this is identical to videos that you would

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see from like white is right it's identical to fucking gerbils like this is nuts yeah

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that is also just that fucking from from when they're very young the kids are taught that

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white people are bad I just want him to follow that up with and I'm here to prove they're

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right like that's what that's all you're doing is just listen here's all the stuff white

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people and the fact that the fact that he said that he said this is the sequence of

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events is black people were enslaved uh-huh white people freed them uh-huh and then white

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people started to treat them poorly that was his end then that was his and then it's an

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interesting chain of events interesting perspective yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so this goes on unfortunately

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and it's as a consequence of this that these things are becoming more and more common white

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people are being dehumanized and when white people are dehumanized black people are going

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to start killing white people because they see them as less than human and other people

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are going to start killing white people because they see them as less than human how much

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do you want to bet that this uh whatever his name is darren brown whatever was radicalized by the media

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into thinking that white people are racist and responsible for his suffering not just as a black

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man but as a gay man too and that he committed this crime in retaliation for that perceived

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prejudice perceived hatred against him that's the consequence of all this anti-white hatred

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and dehumanization in the media education system and it's even tried in the law systematically

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through the government and what do you think affirmative action is so nick is just making up

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details circumstances motives for this murder and then using those assumptions as justification

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that like it proves his white people are being dehumanized see like what this is nonsense i i do

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love a full and completed mission that they are aware of what they're doing and uh are doing it

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on purpose just that like see black people are trying to dehumanize white people and when you

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dehumanize a group of people they start getting killed immediately after being like oh everybody

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cares about the holocaust like it's a big deal oh i fucking hate him i hate him so much he's so

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fucking interesting implication that i don't think he was aware of uh so fucking stupid so um nick

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warns that because this uh dehumanization against white people is happening it's gonna be a problem

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when this country is no longer white but here's the problem this is not going to be a white

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country forever and it's not going to be a white country for very much longer in a lot of places

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it already isn't and in a lot of ways it already isn't a white country and as the percentage and

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proportion of white people diminishes in america relative to non-white people it's going to become

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more and more of a problem for white people that non-white people don't like us it's just that's it

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i think that white and non-white people largely don't like white people like nick yeah yeah it

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has nothing to do with him being white it has everything to do with his positions and his

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beliefs uh that are abhorrent this goes back to a few conversations that i've had with uh

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the terrible comedians in the circle of the joe rogan sphere that kind of thing where ultimately

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like what he's really boiling this down to is a theory that he's not going to he doesn't want to

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say straight out right but basically um white people we kind of have it coming and if they have

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the numbers they'll do what we would do in this situation which is kill everybody right right

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that's their like ultimate logic of like if we are at any moment and that's enough and that's

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why one of nick's primary political uh motivations and one of the things that is like a prime uh

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primary goal is retaining uh white supremacy yes exactly over all levers of power because he he

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thinks like oh as soon as we're in the minority we're gonna do what i would want what we would do

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yeah yeah it's a tacit admission that they're genocidal and that they kind of actually have

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internalized all the guilt that they're blaming other people for and recognizing that you know

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what white people may have a little bit coming their way boy it does feel like that is uh

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something behind nick's politics it's so much like it's it's like as he's complaining about

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the education system in critical race theory he's just listing all the things that white people have

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done that are evil and he's not even bringing up like and here's how to balance that out

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he's not doing that at all he's just throwing the great replacement theory out it with the

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underpinning that white people are genocidal monsters who maybe have some come in their way

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like that's his that's his understanding right but but he's he's also i mean one of the things

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that i always resent is like that um that notion that like all you learn in school is these negative

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things about white people sure and anybody who makes that point is willfully ignoring all of

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these very positive things you learn about white history and all the negative things you learn

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about other cultures yeah you know you you learn all sorts of things in school if you actually do

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the reading yeah no if you if you like i remember all too often in my elementary school history

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books hearing barbarian applied to non-united states citizens often yeah it's the same the

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kind of thinking that leads you to be like you see one Gillette commercial with a like a uh

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interracial couple and you're like yeah why are they trying to push this on me they're in

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these they're in every commercial yeah yeah yeah so it's it's selective uh attention yeah

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yeah and they definitely don't put in all the times that white people are propped up and told

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about how great white people are whenever the real history you look a little bit further into it and

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it's like oh all the work was done by non-white people interesting so here's how this uh this

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video ends the media attacks white people they say that white people cause a suffering of non-white

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increasingly non-white people don't like white people nobody talks about that increasingly we

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know that non-white people largely regard white people the suspicion distrust in some cases just

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don't like them hate them nobody wants to say that people are very comfortable talking about

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racism against blacks or other non-whites but nobody talks about the the distrust nobody talks

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about the resentment that non-white people have for white people in the country and it's not

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everybody but it is a lot of people and everyone knows that as the population becomes less and less

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white and as the people in charge of the country and the people enforcing the laws of the people

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of the country in charge of the country become less and less white that's going to matter a lot

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more these are not foreign ideas to the rhetoric that alex uses it's just way more way more

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explicit it is overt he's saying the the the parts that alex likes to obscure with yeah yeah this is

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not the quiet part loud this is the quiet part screamed through a bullhorn on top of a fucking

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mountain yeah jesus for sure wow so nick posted also on here on this uh on this band.video page

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of his uh they posted a video a little clip of him giving a speech at the america first political

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action conference it's it's so funny because in the real world if you heard a video like that

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you don't hear about a follow-up video it's not like this would be like if this is immediately

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after michael richards and we were done discussing that clip and you're like all right so the next

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night he was back at the laugh factory it was booked again yeah you're like no this is the end

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yeah yep cancel culture is out of control it's out of control out of control out of control so

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nick posted a video of him giving a speech um again mike down for this this i'm going to play

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this entire clip in its in its totality there's a two-minute clip that he posted titled we are uh

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the americans this is terrifying like this is at him segregation then segregation now segregation

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forever america put simply is a particular people in a particular place it's really that simple

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we are the americans and america is the home of the americans that's what it means to be americans

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america is one people one nation on this continent forged over hundreds of years by shared

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experiences descended from an english cultural framework and influenced by european civilization

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america is a christian nation

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christian nation

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and that's not just a slogan when i say that america is a christian nation i'm saying that

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jesus christ is the son of god and this is one nation under that god

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say his name

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so if america ceases to be this people if america ceases to retain that english cultural framework

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and the influence of european civilization if it loses its white demographic core and if it loses

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its faith in jesus christ then this is not america anymore that is about as overt as you can get in

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terms of making a non-slur filled speech where you're advocating for a white ethno state that is

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a theocracy it's just you can't you can't you can't i think somebody's been reading their henry

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ford tracks i think somebody's really been going back to those sweet old days of why don't we join

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the nazis come on we're they're good people we're good people parentheses white and it's great there's

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a there's an interesting thing that i wrestle with as i as i was sort of watching these videos and

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i was like how much of this is alex aware of and how much of this is just like i don't fucking care

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nick's popular uh put his videos up all i don't know it's it's it's it seems like if i were him

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if i were him i would think this is bad for business it's a little too overt see now this is

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kind of but then again harrison was doing that shit too my vibe on this is this is alex fully

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dipping that toe into like can i so if nick fuentes is clearly trying to steal my audience

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right if there's one thing i do believe alex is smart about it's knowing when people are

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yeah knowing when people are stealing his money yeah you know what i'm saying and knowing at least

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some elementary ways that he can sort of work with uh and co-op things right so i think it's

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it's looking like to me that alex is putting that stuff up to gauge what love because look sure

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owen and harrison ain't doing shit yeah so let's gauge what level of out and out white supremacy

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will do for us and maybe we uh have a whole new wing of the show i yeah i mean i think that a

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while back we had sort of a sense that like well i think this d platforming has a decent chance of

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alex eventually just realizing fuck it yeah fuck it speak freely you bet and it's just us here i

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don't know if i don't know if this should be taken as a sign of that but it feels like it could be it

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really does because this is this is a bit much and you think about like okay so in the day in the in

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the old salad days of 2017 back when we were young and bright and fresh-faced you had alex jones's

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show you had incompetent ass o and schroyer and then you had boring david knight yeah this would

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not have flown no at that point no no no no no here's what we do it's amazing the deterioration

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towards just outright clear-throated articulations of white nationalist positions sure um but i mean

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it's been that's the that's america like as we've alex's alex has dominated the united states i i

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genuinely believe that at a certain point alex overtook his his line of propaganda no naturally

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but that like straight up conspiracy laden white nationalist only is absolutely just taken over

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that wing you know like though as we as we watched alex go from having jakari jackson on his show

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to now where i'm pitching him a jakari nick fuentes double-hander and we see how that goes

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uh i i mean so is the culture the culture at large has done the same thing

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yeah it's fucked up yeah it's fucked up so we got one last video of nick's oh god this one's about

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pride parades well i'm sure his takes are gonna be you know you know these people just delight

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in terrifying us with those chants i really think oh the christ is king they love that shit they

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love that shit yeah that's creepy the more the merging of sort of uh ethnic demographic anxiety

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and terror the uh the hyper nationalism the uh the christian uh extremism it's very similar to

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what thomas jefferson was talking about it definitely doesn't uh lead to bad outcomes

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general no no no no no so also uh nick is a big old uh homophobe yeah that's not surprising

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somebody giving a speech that winds up having a christ is king king break beat you know like uh

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like dude fucking leonard hubbard is putting a nice tasty lick underneath it yeah i i would say

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that this video even surprised me oh wow in terms of its show he says um so it starts off with him

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complaining that the country is being taken from him our country is being stolen from us

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and that's not just rhetoric our country is being stolen from us our schools our neighborhoods our

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places of business our economy our government our sovereignty our country is being taken from us

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it was ours at one point it belonged to our ancestors and now it doesn't belong to us it

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belongs to foreigners it belongs to the elite who hate us our country is being taken and do not

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underestimate what that means in particular when it comes to this agenda they would have it if they

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could that all of your children would be indoctrinated with trans and gay ideology think

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about a person like james younger the eight-year-old in texas who is being forced by his mother under

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the order of a court to undergo chemical castration with hormone replacement therapy

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to prevent him from going into puberty these are the kinds of horror shows tragedies the

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abominations that are occurring we talked about the younger case a while back it wasn't about

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a child being forced to take hormone replacement no it's a situation where the child's parents

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disagreed on the best path to take in terms of transition with the father wanting to take a

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more gradual watchful waiting approach and the mother wanting to engage in social affirmation

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i've looked into the case and i don't really feel comfortable about how much of the conversation is

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wrapped up in a clearly ugly divorce between the two parents oh no i'm not going to engage with

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this uh use of the child as a proxy fight between the two adults that's fucked the larger point here

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though is that it's important to notice that and recognize this case has nothing to do with forcing

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a child to transition or take puberty blockers against their will this is just a prop again that

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nick is using another white child that he's using as like look what they're doing oh it's it's

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almost as bad as a blue-eyed blonde-haired child being abducted at the border which totally

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happened totally happened alex got video 100 happened yep so this goes on this is oh man

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at what point are the good and decent and christian conservative people of this country

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going to stand up and say that's enough and not ask respectful questions and not have a civil

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debate and not be polite but to say that this cannot go forward one more inch the conservative

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movement is broadly christian and you can't find a lot of devout christians social conservatives

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or anybody that believes anything remotely like the country or like the base within the leadership

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of the party that's why you get stuff like this we're talking about sick stuff and i'm not going

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to be respectful of what they're up to i'm not going to be respectful of their anti-god anti-family

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anti-human anti-conservative agenda we have to say no not just to trans kids and girl sports

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and not just no to the government forcibly transitioning children we have to say no to

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transitioning period and say no to trans period you cannot transition you cannot transition to

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other genders we have to say no to homosexuality we have to say no to lesbians we have to say no

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to the whole thing what they're pushing is something that is the antithesis of a traditional

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christian moral worldview okay so now we have spiraled and to say no to all it's all trans

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people their very existence yep uh validity and also uh gays and lesbians yeah yeah who've gone

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gone pretty far down this road here yeah yeah right um all non-straight whites should be eradicated

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is uh not a good starting point for consensus i would say i feel i feel like holding these sorts

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of positions are going to make people not like you i would say maybe they would make everybody

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not like you and in fact you would need to have history books specifically written about assholes

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like you uh to get people away from you so the issue is that the family right the family is

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what's important and uh you know nick's tried nick's tried to be tolerant tell me about it

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tell me about it no compromise there is no meet me in the middle between families with biological

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men and women and men and women getting married and having kids and whatever the hell this is

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people are willing to put up they're willing to tolerate some of this they were willing to say

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maybe okay uh people want to get married that doesn't have anything to do with me fast forward

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15 years and the government is telling people we'll transition your children and cut their

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penises off and put them on hormone replacement therapy and not tell their parents and you have

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you have to be okay with that or you go to jail well you're pushing the limits of people's tolerance

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people have their limits and they're being pushed right now and the person who's going to stand up

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and say that when they run for office that person i think is going to be a very popular politician

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i love the idea that uh there's something you brought up i think on the last episode too is

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they're like this rewriting of the christian position on gay marriage is amazing yeah yeah

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we've been tolerant hey we've given it our best go we've done i mean if you think about christians

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and gay people up until this very moment you will notice that there has been nothing but tolerance

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sure we've killed them and hunted them and made it illegal to be one of them massive opposition to

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uh fundamental rights there was massive opposition to not being allowed to fire someone because they

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were gay not even gay marriage just not being able to out and out destroy their lives right

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just for being gay and that's being rewritten as christians being tolerant yeah that's great you

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can only push people so far it's kind of amazing how quickly conservatives forget things yeah it's

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yeah it's almost as though it's expedience almost like it's just a matter of convenience and

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whatever will make the argument uh now yeah you know and dan we've talked about this before i

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hate it when people are like i'm gonna challenge you to a charity boxing match that's stupid yeah

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what i am gonna do is i'm going to challenge nick fuentes into a charity i'm going to pee directly

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into his eyes off all right okay and whoever wins has to donate ten thousand dollars i think you

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have an advantage to the alley forney center i think you have an advantage because you have

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glasses i do have glasses and also i will be the only person peeing into his eyes and that's the

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whole game you better watch out man he is from the chicago land area oh no oh no he'll accept

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my challenge to let me pee directly into his eyes for a while i drink a lot of coffee and i would

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take my time is true i would be packing up for a 24-hour span if i were you i would be more worried

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about him uh cornering you and telling you opinions yeah that would be more scary i'm

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not worried about him physically i don't think he'll be i don't think he's the type um so this

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goes on oh boy and that's ultimately what it comes down to it's easy to condemn the horns and the

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pitchfork it's not easy to condemn the rainbow flag and two people that just love each other

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it's not easy to do that that's why conservatives now tolerate and support homosexuality

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transgenderism and a number of other social ills because they say even though it's immoral

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according to your own religion if you're a christian they say if it doesn't hurt somebody

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else if i'm not forced to partake in it then uh it's okay but if you stand against evil you have

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to stand against evil all the time wow how funny is that how funny is that like the entire message

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of your religion is so difficult to follow because you have basic human empathy that has nothing to

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do with your religion he's putting those two together he's saying that your religion demands

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you overcome caring about other people in order to eradicate their style of existence yep it's

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tough but his version of christianity is tough it's it's hard to overcome what you would have

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to assume god gave you which is an instinctual need to care for other human beings around you

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then god demands you override that that's why that's why life is hard it's a test it's a fucking

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test to kill as many people who disagree with you as possible oh great and it's not great this is

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also like it should be clear good god this isn't just nick being mad uh about lgbtq plus issues

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this is this goes far beyond that if you stand against evil you have to stand against evil

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all the time it doesn't just end it transgender bathrooms or girls locker rooms all of it has to

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go and not just trans but gay too and not just trans and gay but you know what else promiscuity

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abortion feminism it all has to go because if you take our worldview through to its logical

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conclusion why can't i can't transgender athletes compete in the girls sports because

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people can't transition and they can't transition because god made them a certain way and god made

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them different and the differences are real and significant and they matter and if the differences

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matter then they have to be treated differently they have different roles in society and so if

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women are are born with a reproductive apparatus and insofar as we know that's the only way to

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continue the human population they have to be making the babies and if they're making the babies

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and they have a certain disposition to raise them they've got to raise them too and that's

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a full-time job what they're doing is marginalizing normal christian people

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they're marginalizing anybody that is not totally insane i mean this beyond just being outrageously

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uh bigoted towards all sorts of areas insane um that's also just dumb it's it's really dumb oh

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it's insane um i i would ask a follow-up question about this and i would say where is the line

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exactly on what you can and can't change about how god made you ah can you take medicine no can

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you dye your hair no can you cut your hair no i mean like there are a number of things that seem

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to run afoul of his can you get any kind of like cosmetic surgery apparently not can't get tattoos

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that's even in the bible so i i would i would i would ask about that about the idea of uh

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changing how god made you see see if we could figure out exactly where the line on that is

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then i would ask what does promiscuity mean well how do you define that exactly and what exactly

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would you want to do about that would you do you want to make sex illegal i mean you're doing it's

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so it's so insane to me how these dudes exist like these are dudes who are absolutely screaming

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absolutely screaming about returning to these christian values that were their society ever

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to be implemented they would be murdered immediately yeah i mean it's a standard joke

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that people make about the fact that nick fuentes is a white nationalist with a fuentes on his last

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name it's something that people bring up quite often it's like no matter no matter it's it's

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one of those just fucking classic fucked up brain stories that have been written about so much as

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that person who is like he my last name is fuentes but i want to be white so bad i'm going to try and

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be the most white i'm gonna be too white you know what i'm saying yeah like it's that classic

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fucking it's goddamn greek yeah but i i scallis is bothering me now i think you you hear stuff

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like in that last clip and it's just it's like the implications of uh the the actual thoughts

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that he has and the the positions that he seems to be espousing for like and how dumb they would

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be in their application in the real world yeah it's it's ideas are not really something you

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should take seriously promiscuity should be outlawed and unacceptable and simple normal

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people like the 50 of marriages that end in divorce simple normal good can i can i ask

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also not including half of the people yeah i i love too that he comes out of the um sort of

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conservative wing that generally is in favor of smaller government yeah i don't know how you

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enforce uh anti-promiscuity laws you would need soldiers on the streets yeah yeah um even children

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you would outfit by giving them tickets and taking them to an armory uh so what i'm saying is like i

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think a lot of the like the the ideas themselves are stupid they're really dumb and they're not

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something you should take seriously but he's still someone that you like should be taken seriously

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outside of whether or not his ideas make sense for anything because he is a terrifying human being

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yeah no he's really nightmarish yeah i i'm even really shocked at the amount of uh escalation and

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elevation he's been able to uh engage in in a very short period of time yeah uh he's he's somebody

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who i when he first showed up on infowars i was like wow this uh this youtube dickhole is uh

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yeah alex has given him a little bit of a platform yeah um and the the the path sense then is not

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something that people should should ignore yeah well and and alex getting involved to the level

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that he is um is playing with fire yeah uh it's it's i know that you know alex thinks and he does

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have some skills in terms of co-option and recognizing uh ways to make things work best

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for him yeah um but i don't i don't i don't know if he's met anyone like nick before yeah well i

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mean not not you know there's a part of me that says this isn't exactly that new he even brings

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up pat bucannon you know like this there is an audience for this and there always has been

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pat bucannon was a presidential candidate that they allowed it debates and he was straight up

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white nationalist and let's kill gay people all the time you know you're not wrong you know

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information space that exists now is so different so diffuse cannon was totally total and pat

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bucannon was an old ass like by the time of it right you know he was never a quote unquote cool

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uh young boy right right right uh angry and full of enthusiasm and snarky talking i bet he was i

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bet in the 50s everybody's like bucannon was so cool to hang out with i fucking hate people he

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was a mean yeah totally he was the carpe don't above his era yeah oh boy yeah so uh nick gets

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around to uh talking about how uh like transition is just impossible yeah there's a lot of talk

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about turfs and uh i would say that nick is not even trans-exclusionary i mean he's not he's

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definitely not a feminist no he's just a big old phobe i mean transphobe turfs hate feminists too

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so he's just full of hate yeah and this this clip is where i really think it took a turn

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uh uh towards the like wow i can't believe he's actually even just saying this i do not think that

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transgender and transsexual should be normalized i think is morally wrong i think it is morally

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bankrupt you cannot transition from one gender to another you can't do that yes you can you are born

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a gender and you die that gender and there's no crossing over you can put on a wig you can put on

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lipstick you can put on a dress it doesn't make you a woman what does should not happen in our

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society we shouldn't have it on television we shouldn't have it in elected office and we should

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be passing laws to prevent this and the same goes for homosexuality and the same goes for abortion

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these things are wrong and we shouldn't have them in our society they shouldn't be glorified

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we should not get too comfortable with them they should not be normalized

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in fact they should be marginalized and people should see them as what they are which is gravely

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evil and disordered and misguided damn i mean like bigotry is awful and it's really terrible uh

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support and calling for legislation that would outlaw trans existence outlaw being gay outlaw

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abortion it's uh that's pretty pretty serious i've got some brand new ideas for you right

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brand new ideas 2021 hot off the presses never before tried yes ideas like legislating against

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the existence of human beings no one's ever done that and when they did do that which i'm not

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saying they did it went great see the reason that people uh don't want to engage with people like

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nick is because they're afraid of this this kind of brand new visionary thinking visionary thinking

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yeah really cutting edge what a fucking genius here's what i think we should do uh go back to

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the 80s yeah i mean so what you have is a guy who's very clearly um a racist homophobe transphobe

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just a big chauvinist fuck it's almost like he cares more about the bigotry than he does whatever

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the bigotry is about he just loves being a bigot it probably feels really good yeah yeah gets him

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a lot of attention it gets him angry so i but you have that merging of all of these disparate

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bigotries and a desire to advocate for and work towards a governmental system that is theocratic

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in nature and operates in such a way that would have public laws against being gay public laws

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against trans uh existence public laws against feminism um that's a terrifying prospect of what

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he is explicitly calling for yeah yes yeah so we have one last clip here uh from this report

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then we'll we'll get to a little bit of a breakdown go for it the foundation of the

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civilization is the family and this much is obvious where do children come from they don't

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come from factories they don't come from the government they don't come from corporations

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they don't come from farms they come from the womb of women and they come from men and women

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illicitly within marriage you know having sex that's the only way that they're created the

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only way that you get babies the only way that you perpetuate a society is by men and women

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getting married and having children that's how you get society that is society that is how

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society propagates itself that's how it perpetuates itself that's the elemental

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foundation of the society and in order for that process to happen for children to be created and

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for them to be raised and inculcated with the culture and to learn what they need to know for

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the transmission of knowledge you need to have marriages you need to have men and you need to

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have women and by marriage do not misunderstand what i mean you you need the union of souls

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between one man and one woman in the church that's the only way that you get a society

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and anything that is opposed to that anything that tries to confound that or confuse that or

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obfuscate that is pure evil and that is the enemy of society i mean i just don't even i mean yeah

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this guy this guy needs to be stopped this is super villain shit i don't know if you saw if

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you saw that in a movie you'd be like okay well how do we stop this guy this is not a conversation

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where it's like how do we engage with this bad guy it's not like hey lex luther let's have a

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dialogue a lot of times in stories like in like a fictitious setting you'll see something like

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this once it's too late yes exactly exactly once this person has already risen to power or

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something yeah yeah and and this video is played in time square in the horror movie he thinks he's

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living it yeah and to be clear like saying need to stop uh nick fuentes it's not a matter of hurting

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him or uh anything like that it's a matter of dealing with what he's doing in a in a in a way

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that is responsible yeah and that is to recognize that there is that angry response that you very

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justifiably should have but then there's the other response which is like he wants you to be angry

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don't be that angry and recognize how stupid a lot of these ideas are right there's an impotent

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hatred and i honestly think that there's a huge resentment that he feels that most people don't

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actually agree with him yeah yeah yeah most people do uh accept that gay people exist right right

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most people aren't most people have the basic human empathy that his religion demands they

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ignore well his version of his religion yeah yeah that's what i'm just to make sure people don't

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think that i think that christianity no no is uh like similar to what he if there's one thing that

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we know very clearly christianity is not a block religion it's not a monolithic uh identity there's

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there's 10 million types of christianity yeah so i i i i was surprised honestly because i know nick

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a bit you know like i'm aware of his stuff sure sure i know that i know what he believes and i

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think it's a little it's gotten probably maybe even a little bit more overt in some ways from

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the last time i checked in on his content yeah and it was it was bizarre to just click on uh

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band.video there's a section for him and these videos are pretty easily accessible and whether

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alex wants to take ownership of this or not he owns that website he's promoting this he's

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platforming this yeah he's tacitly accepting this and he's profiting off it you know it's there is

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no other way around it and can we find out what tags he has on uh fuentes this page like is there

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tags where it's like if somebody's searching for white nationalists this will show up just saying

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just tossing that out there it's gonna be in the google search results i think that alex uh is

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aware that band.video doesn't show up in google that's fair that's fair that's might have been

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delisted that's fair um so i i guess like i guess this works for alex as long as nick doesn't

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put out any videos that completely undercut the basis of alex's entire conspiratorial worldview

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uh oh the chai cows want to destroy america from within i texted this to a good friend of mine i

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said these boomers are talking about trying to want to destroy america from within and it's good

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friend of mine he's one of the funniest guys i know he goes i would give anything for the

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chai cobs to destroy america from within i'm like i know right and it's so true ah fun what a

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hilarious hilarious friend just so funny good luck with this guy alex wow yeah so i texted my friend

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about the guy whose website you're watching this on this dumb boomer this dumb moron who thinks

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that the chai comms are a problem this asshole i texted the person who is hosting this content

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that you are watching this video on i texted my funniest friends about the dumb shit the person

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who is hosting the content you are watching and we all laughed about how funny it was that he

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believes that and how we wish his conspiracy were true and we would be on the side of the bad guys

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in that conspiracy uh okay well maybe alex doesn't know about this one yeah i don't know i don't know

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what the deal is but this is this is pathetic and uh not good yeah it does not bode well for the

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future i imagine if alex finds out about that we might be experiencing cancel culture uh-oh

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you might get the david knight treatment somebody's getting banned out video from this

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band video and you know who's going to come out ahead in that exchange nick uh anyway uh i wanted

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to take a little bit of a break from alex for a day and so uh wanted to check in on this and

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i knew that nick had this channel and i wanted to give it a little bit of time for some content

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to accumulate yeah before we took a look at it and this is uh this is a cross section this

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worked the stuff uh that's there it's extremely fucked up it is overt yeah it is yeah it is not

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making any bones about what his positions are and unbelievable unbelievable that you can have a

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video right next to another video and in one video you say whenever they dehumanize white people they

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think we're less than human and that leads to white bb white people being killed to the next

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video being like trans people aren't actually people god demands that you get rid of them and

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we should we should codify into law into law that they are less than human yeah yeah cool um so i

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was terrified by this and i um i don't know i'll check back in on his uh thing eventually yeah

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see we'll see how how this works out for these dumb dumbs um there was a two-hour debate about

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the middle east boo between nick and barnes boo and the most booze i tried to watch a bit of it

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and i was like oh no barnes you don't know how good nick is at this oh no barnes is a shitty

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lawyer even in the face of shitty lawyer fine yeah like nick is he's the debate captain yeah

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you don't you don't want to don't debate don't mix up with him barnes i'll debate him i don't

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give a shit no stick to the ipa so we'll be back but uh until then jordan we have a website we do

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have a website it's knowledgefight.com yep we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's

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at knowledge underscore fight net go to bed jordan yep we're on facebook we are on facebook if you'd

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like to show active if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to

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help out people doing god's work yep we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm

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thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you