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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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I have great respect for knowledgefight.

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Knowledgefight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, I can sit around, talk about how great Selene is, and also discuss Alex Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

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Ah, Cult of Selene, whee!

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Uh, hm.

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See, I wasn't even going to bring attention to it that time.

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Harumpf.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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I have a quick question for you.

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What's up?

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Uh, what's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today, Jordan, is that I survived an ordeal that would destroy a lesser version of myself.

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Oh, oh yes.

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And that is that the other night, I ordered some food for delivery, and I went downstairs to get it, and I locked myself out.

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Oh my god.

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Locked myself out of the house at about 9.30 in the evening, and I was terrified.

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Uh, yeah.

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Because I didn't have my keys, I know my landlord's not going to come over, I don't even know who my landlord is.

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No, absolutely not.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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They're not going to come let me in?

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I can't break into my window, because it's not on the bottom floor.

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Third floor, third floor is trouble.

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Uh, I don't think that I have that kind of parkour ability, uh, to scale the building.

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It would be difficult.

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And so I was looking at the neighbors' windows, which is never great, and they're all dark.

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Everything is dark.

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I'm like, I'm not going to hit the buzzer and like wake somebody up.

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Right.

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That seems like too much.

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Could be.

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So I walked around the side of the building, and I saw someone's TV on, and I hit the buzzer.

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And thankfully they buzzed me, but I was so terrified that I was like, well, great.

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I've got my food, but now I guess I'll be-

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Well, at least you wouldn't starve out there.

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I was going to be eating and sleeping out in the alley tonight.

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It was a warm night.

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It wasn't too bad.

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Yeah.

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That's true.

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And that might have been part of the reason why I forgot my keys.

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Yeah, it could have been.

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Uh, because it was just sort of like, hey.

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Did you put your shoes on?

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I think I had sandals.

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Ooh, how dare you.

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How dare you.

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I know you're not a fan of slippers.

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No open toothed shoes.

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It's not open toe.

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It's closed.

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It's closed toe.

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All right.

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So what about you?

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My Bright Spot, Deanne, is currently, as we speak, goes the Eurovision Song Contest.

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I know every year you get very excited about, what the fuck?

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No, you don't.

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No, I don't.

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No, I've never really even watched it before.

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But this is the first time that I've really decided to dig in and watch some Eurovision.

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Sure.

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And it is just universally terrible music.

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But the pageantry is amazing.

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I mean, really, really bad.

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But they're given an airplane hangar to do whatever they want with.

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And they create some ridiculous spectacles.

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And from what I understand, I don't know too much about Eurovision.

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But from what I understand, it gets pretty serious, like country against country.

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Yeah, everybody's cheering.

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Most everybody is doing, like, you know how Americans invented good music?

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They're all doing that.

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But, you know, through their own lens, that kind of thing.

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But some countries do, like, their own shit.

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You know, like traditional stuff.

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And it's really, really good.

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But everything else is garbage.

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Nobody has a good baseline.

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It's just tragic.

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Oh, that's too bad.

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Man, there's light shows everywhere.

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Well, that's great.

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So Jordan, today, speaking of light shows, I would like to let you look into my disco ball.

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It is actually a time machine.

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Alright.

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Okay.

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We're going back in time.

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Disco ball.

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Where are we off to today, Mr. Peabody?

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Well, today we are going to May 12th and 13th, 2003.

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Okay.

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Continuing back in our exploration of Alex Jones in 2003.

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And seeing primarily what he's all about.

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What are some similarities?

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What are some differences?

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Where's the devil at?

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I mean, that's definitely one of the biggest questions.

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Sure, sure.

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Does Alex Jones believe he's fighting the devil in 2003?

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Has his ultimate enemy been revealed to him yet?

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Yes.

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Or have the prophecies that he received in his dreams been a little bit muddled?

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And a secondary element of that question is,

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does Alex believe he's fighting the devil and actively try to hide that from his presentation?

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Yes, correct.

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In order to be taken more seriously at this point in his career.

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Right, right, right, right.

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And at this point, we started the beginning of May 2003 and we're now coming to the middle of the month.

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And I think it's still an open question.

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And we'll learn a little bit more today.

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Alright.

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But before we do, let's take a little moment to say thank you to some wonks.

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Oh, that's a good idea.

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So first, if I become a policy wonk, do I get to see exclusive pictures of Celine being excessively cute?

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much!

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I'm not sure, but I will send a picture of Celine to Jordan so you can tweet it.

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Yeah, there are no exclusive pictures of Celine here.

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No, but I could give you a cute picture and you could put it on Twitter if you like.

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I'll take care of it.

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Next, Louis Box, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Louis Box.

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Thank you.

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Next, TheMorningDude listening on Steve Puchenik's neon nips, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much, terrifying nightmare that will never escape my brain.

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Next, Joe, my neighbors might think I actually listened to Alex, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much!

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Next, I came here to say that you were this close to the joke, not all heroes wear masks, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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I like policy wonk names that are joke critiques.

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Really, that one actually almost hits me in the gut a little bit.

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That's a little bit like a get off your high horse thing, okay?

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Next, EscapedSonOfAPreecherMan, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much!

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The only one who could ever reach me was the escaped son of a bitch, but...

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Next, ScooterTheCorgi, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Scoot.

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Thank you very much.

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And, Jordan, even though we're in the past, I should say that something's happening in the present, but not just Eurovision.

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Right.

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Not just Eurovision.

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And that is that some people have some birthdays.

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So, in 20...

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What have we become?

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In 2021, I should tell you, this weekend was chock-a-block with policy wonk birthdays.

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Sure, sure.

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We got Heather M. had a birthday.

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Happy birthday, Heather M.

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Happy birthday.

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Throwback Zach had a birthday.

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Throwback Zach!

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Happy birthday.

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And Ethan Mary sent a message wanting us to wish you a happy birthday over the weekend.

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Hope you all...

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Happy birthday, Ethan.

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Yeah.

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Alright.

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We start here on the 12th, and it is a slog.

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It is a rough time at the beginning.

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But Alex gets around to some actual news, and that is where we will jump in.

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You can't judge these books by their covers, the LA Times.

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Many textbooks distort history, slamming the US and glorifying despotic regimes.

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Last week, the LA Times had an article saying McCarthy was right.

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What is going on?

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The liberal papers sound conservative.

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The conservative papers sound liberal.

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I mean, they're really scrambling things right now.

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So just a quick reminder, the LA Times editorial that Alex is talking about did not say that

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McCarthy was right.

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No.

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It was in fact a scathing condemnation of McCarthy and his tactics, and a plea not to

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throw out all opposition to communism just based on how big a piece of shit he was.

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So maybe journalistic outlets aren't as topsy-turvy as he's kind of presenting it.

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No.

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If you just make assumptions based on headlines and what you think things are, then maybe

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things are topsy-turvy.

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That could be topsy-turvy.

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So I was able to find this article that Alex is talking about in the LA Times about textbooks.

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It's by Diane Ravitch, an author whose work is almost exclusively about education-related

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issues.

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The first thing to point out is that this, much like the other article Alex cites, is

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an editorial.

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Ravitch is writing in the first person, and it's not a piece of straight reporting.

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Around this time in history, Ravitch had just released a book titled The Language Police,

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How Pressure Groups Restrict What Students Learn.

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The book was about how fear of igniting controversy from both left and right-wing pressure groups

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has led to textbooks that give students an incomplete view of subjects like history and

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literature.

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In her article for the Times, she says, quote, the textbooks go out of their way to sanitize

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the very practices in non-Western cultures that they rightly condemn in our society.

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For instance, every textbook acknowledges that the enslavement of Africans by the West

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was a great crime.

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However, when describing slavery in the Middle East or Africa, many claim that it is a path

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to upward career mobility or a chance to join a new family.

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Slavery is wrong in any time and place and should be recognized as such.

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That's a fair enough point, but I want to make sure that we illuminate how this criticism

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is different than that that's lobbied by someone like Alex.

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Alex doesn't want all cultures to be represented accurately and with proper historical context.

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He would want the Middle Eastern or African slavery discussed, but he would also want

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the textbooks to ignore American slavery, or if they had to cover it, the focus should

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be on how America actually ended slavery.

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No, if it weren't for white people, we never would have ended slavery.

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Everybody knows this.

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Ravitch is pointing out certain textbooks that she's read that are lazy.

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Alex just doesn't want history to make him feel bad.

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It would make him feel really bad.

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It would make him feel really bad.

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It's a very specific difference.

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Yeah, yeah, you know, if you're quoting Thomas Jefferson incorrectly all the time,

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but it's like, hey, I'm Thomas Jefferson.

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I love having slaves.

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It'd make you feel like maybe the founding fathers weren't very smart.

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Also, I suspect that Alex wouldn't like this paragraph in the Times article.

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Quote, the history's treatment of religion is scandalous.

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The origin stories of each religion are recounted as if they were documented history

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rather than religious myths.

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Many publishers have multicultural advisory boards to ensure the textbooks contain

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only positive facts about religion or ethnic groups.

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I suspect that Alex didn't read the whole article since he definitely would not like

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the suggestion that his religious beliefs are a myth.

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Also, that clip that we listened to is like a half hour into the show.

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It's a real, it was walking through molasses.

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Yeah, yeah, that's not good.

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It was tough.

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That's not good.

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But it started up fast after half an hour.

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And it got into some, like, really interesting stuff that, like,

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when I think about, like, going back in time and looking at these episodes,

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this is such a good example of, like, being able to go in different directions

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from things that Alex says and learning about interesting stuff like this.

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This is now in the Belfast Telegraph.

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It is in the BBC.

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It is in the London Guardian.

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Top double agent in IRA, guilty of up to 40 murders.

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Turns out that the top man in the IRA carrying out the bombings,

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the killings, the shootings, everything, as we told you last year,

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was MI5-6, ultra-secret agent.

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Okay. All right.

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So what's going on here is that Alex is glossing over an amazing story

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just to make it valuable to his worldview when, in fact, it doesn't really work at all.

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The IRA member in question here is a double agent for British intelligence

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codenamed Steakknife.

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He denies that any of this is-

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That is not as cool as you made it sound.

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Codenamed Steakknife? No, that sucks. That would be terrible.

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I don't want to be codenamed Steakknife.

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It's S-T-A-K-E.

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That's even worse. I don't want to be a pun.

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Whatever.

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Okay.

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So he denies that any of this is true, but it's widely understood

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that this was a man named Freddy Scappaticci.

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And if his denial isn't a lie, his story is bananas.

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So there's a great piece about this by James Harkin in GQ

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that I'm taking a lot of the background information for,

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and I would recommend people check out that article.

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Okay, cool.

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Apparently, in the late 1970s, Scappaticci met an army sergeant named Peter Jones,

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a guy who's so charismatic that his superiors, quote,

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allowed him to wear civilian clothes, don a beard, and develop his own sources.

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So he was Sergeant Bilko.

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Somehow, through the magic of charm and booze, even though Jones worked for the British Army

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and Scappaticci was in the IRA, they forged a friendship that resulted in Scappaticci becoming a mole.

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Wow, this is a real Romeo and Juliet situation.

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This is kind of a, yeah, I like it.

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So by this point, the IRA had become a slightly smaller organization,

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which was aware that they were spies trying to infiltrate their ranks and become snitches.

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As such, they put together a counterintelligence team,

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which was meant to root out any potential spies.

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From Harkins' article, quote,

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By the mid-1980s, Scappaticci was the deputy head of internal security

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and a trusted member of its general headquarters staff.

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This story happened so many goddamn times!

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Why are you always put in charge of your own investigation?

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Yeah.

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Essentially, through unconventional methods,

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the British government had cultivated a relationship with a double agent

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who was placed internally in a position that was almost comically strategically-

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It's just ridiculous!

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Get the fuck out of here!

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Their double agent was the guy in the IRA who was in charge of finding double agents within the IRA.

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That's unrealistic in a Bond movie!

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You'd be like, get the fuck out of here!

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Yeah.

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So as is the case with all these sorts of spy-related stories,

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everything is morally questionable.

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A lot of the story revolves around Scappaticci killing or allowing people to be killed

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who could compromise his position as a double agent,

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or people who they needed to protect in order to pursue goals of, like, arresting higher-up figures.

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Sure, sure.

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And unfortunately, some of those people definitely got killed.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gotcha.

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It's messy business, and no one's hands are clean,

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but depending on whose version of the story you believe,

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this is all made up, according to Scappaticci.

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Okay.

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Or Scappaticci was responsible for helping disrupt multiple terrorist plots at a horrible cost.

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The accusation that Freddy Scappaticci was steak knife came to light in 2003,

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and this became a big story, as well it should be.

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The important piece to recognize here, though, is that Alex is missing the forest for the trees.

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He deprives his audience of learning about this fascinating piece of history,

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or from learning about the history of the IRA and the Troubles,

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because the headline works a different way for him.

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This is a story about a very well-placed double agent within the IRA,

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but to Alex, this can prove that MI6 was running the IRA all along,

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and the bombings and the attacks were all just false flags.

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That's an outrageous misuse of this story, and by reporting it this way,

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Alex is actually doing something worse than just ignoring the story altogether.

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He's creating a fake version of it for his audience to erroneously convince themselves they understand.

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He's like Aaron Sorkin!

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Even if all the allegations about Scappaticci are correct and accurate,

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he wasn't the top man in the IRA, and he wasn't the one carrying out the bombings.

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Alex is embellishing that element of the story because it helps him construct the impression

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that the world is all fake, and that everything you hear is a lie.

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It's a perversion of skepticism and curiosity.

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Yeah, it is really a good...

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I mean, as far as storytelling goes, when you reduce it down into this kind of bullshit,

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you miss out on a very human story where people are making difficult decisions in moral grey areas,

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where they're struggling to keep from being caught,

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while at the same time struggling to show that they're trying to catch themselves.

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That's a really fascinating story!

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The MI6 already running the IRA is a really boring story, actually.

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Yeah, but it's much easier.

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It has explanatory power over stuff that would be so...

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It takes years of study.

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You could be a historian at a university with tenure,

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and maybe not fully be able to explain it except over the course of a semester.

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Right, right, right.

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Well, I mean, and it goes back again to how boring it is that your enemy is both everywhere

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running everything and is also so incompetent that you can defeat them at any and all times.

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Of course.

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It's like, that's a boring story! I don't care if Superman can always win.

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I don't care.

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Sure.

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I know, it's boring.

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What I was getting at is that it's very unsatisfying if you're a demagogue on the radio

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to be like, alright, let's buckle down and everybody take notes.

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This is going to take forever.

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It's going to require a lot of reading and research on your part.

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Instead...

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Serial became a huge hit!

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Instead, just telling people it's all fake.

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The big boogeyman is running everything, who cares?

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It's all these globalists.

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Serial did become a huge hit.

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I don't know...

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I'm saying it does both. Never mind. I'm sorry.

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I don't know if that was a lecture.

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I was playing both sides.

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Fair enough.

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Yeah.

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Also, I should tell you this.

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Yes.

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In 2018, Freddy Scampaticci's home was searched as part of an investigation into his role

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in the IRA, which didn't result in any murder charges, although he did plead guilty to having

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at least 329 images of animal porn on his computer.

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According to an article in the Irish Times, quote, Westminster's Magistrates Court heard

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Scampaticci tell police that he was not sexually interested in animals, but preferred women

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with big breasts.

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He was ordered to pay a total of 185 pounds, including court costs.

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I...

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Man...

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Okay.

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This is why...

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This is why journalism has a huge hole, and that is...

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Very intended.

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I now need to know what they mean by animal porn.

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I can't not know.

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It's pornography featuring animals.

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Yes, but I don't know what that means.

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The animal kingdom is large.

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How many...

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You know what I'm saying?

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No, I know exactly what you're saying.

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I just don't share your curiosity.

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I'm sorry, but I just...

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I absolutely do not share.

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It's a curiosity now.

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Okay.

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I'm sorry.

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I don't know who can get those court files for you.

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I don't want to see the court files.

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I don't want to see it.

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I just want to know.

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No, but I'm sure they didn't reprint all of it in the court files.

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It just might be more specific.

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Well, I would like to...

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I would like...

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Okay, Jordan.

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I'll take a transcript of a description.

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Jordan.

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I do not want to see it.

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I'd like to apologize that my research did not go deeper into this...

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I'm just saying.

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This postscript on a story.

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Okay.

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I'm just saying decency rules keep us from getting a full picture of the story.

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And it shall continue.

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Okay.

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So, Alex has used this story about the IRA double agent in order to justify that, like,

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everything is a false flag.

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Sure.

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All of the conflict in Northern Ireland was false flaggery.

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Sure.

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And that the British just do it all.

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False flagging is a British trick.

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Although, it's been picked up by other people that Alex might love in the present day.

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This is a British trick.

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They have been big in it before the Russians or the US were.

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Putin.

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Putin.

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Of course, Putin was caught blowing up or trying to blow up his fourth apartment.

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Kalden did blow up three of them.

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Moscow police arrested FSB in 99, planting the bombs.

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And then Moscow GRU, their internal security force, went in and arrested the police and

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others that had the hexagon explosives.

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They arrested members of the media and that story was shut down quite quickly.

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But that is confirmed and members of the FSB and others have now spoken out who fled the

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country.

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Then Britain moved to have them arrested and shipped back to Vladimir Putin, who was the

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former head of the KGB in Stalingrad, Leningrad, St. Petersburg, whatever name you want to

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give it for the day.

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But it's now St. Petersburg, the old name.

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And he was the guy really running things and they were pushing Boris Yeltsin around in

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a wheelchair completely drunk and drugged out of his mind who couldn't even speak.

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He's been running things for at least the last three years of Yeltsin's tenure.

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He was wildly unpopular.

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Suddenly, three apartment buildings got blown up outside Moscow in the suburb.

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He cracked down, said, I will save you, was a big hero and got elected with a large portion

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of the vote and then had a great war against the Chechnyans who screamed, it's not us,

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it's you.

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Why would we bomb you and bring down your wrath?

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This is insane.

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So Alex seems to, in 2003, have a lot of reasons why he believes that Putin did this.

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Yeah, we're very much in a, he's mobbed up, he's a front man for consortiums on the East

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Coast territory in terms of knowledge of crime.

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It's strange because I don't think that Alex is expressing like, I think he did it.

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No, no, no.

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Alex is saying that these people were arrested, planting the bombs.

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Sure.

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To him, it's definitive.

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Yeah.

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And somehow that has changed.

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Or he's just decided, I don't care if someone falls flags, I'll pretend they didn't because

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I like the way that they're strong manning.

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Yeah, I mean, I guess it's, if everybody else is false flagging, then I might as well pick

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the guy who's doing it the best.

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Or doing it in such a way...

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In service of my hopeful white nationalism.

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Perhaps.

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I mean, if he does truly believe that, I mean, it's a short jump from everything is fake

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to nothing matters.

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Yeah.

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That is a very good point.

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I mean, if everything is fake and everybody is false flagging everybody, then the ethical

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implications of pulling a false flag are really not that high.

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Yeah, that's true.

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It's really just what the result is.

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So I could see Alex ethically being okay with false flagging in order to serve whatever

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interests he's most in line with.

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I don't know that to be the case, but I could easily see that being something that he could

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subconsciously convince himself of.

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Totally.

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I would argue that there's zero possibility before Alex's life is over that he himself

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does not try and carry out some sort of false flag.

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Sure, sure.

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He's just going to.

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Like, that's the narrative arc for him.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I see him pulling a last season of House.

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Yeah.

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And taking his own death.

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Yeah, the whole thing, yeah.

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So he and Steve Pacetic can ride motorcycles around.

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And they're hanging out with Aldo Morrow.

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Yeah.

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So, lest you think that I am just saying that Alex thinks everything is fake.

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It's all out there.

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Mainstream news.

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We haven't found a terror attack in modern history anywhere in the world of any size

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or scope that wasn't carried out by the globalist.

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When I say globalist, I'm talking about the private banks and their private armies that

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control the top cabals, the compartmentalized cabals, and all the intelligence agencies.

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So, that doesn't sound like the devil.

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No, no.

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That's one thing.

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That's straight up globalists.

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And then secondarily, Alex seems to be convinced that literally everything is the globalist.

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It does seem to be the globalist.

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There are no real terrorist attacks.

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There is no real...

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That's, that's in line.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if he would stand by that today, but that makes sense for the way he acts.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Everything is fake.

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If you start from the position of everything is fake, that leaves you with way more options

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to occasionally accept things as being true.

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If you start with the position that some things are true, for instance, Putin bombed his own

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buildings, then eventually you're going to have to change your opinion whenever you change

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your opinion about Putin.

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And for normal people with shame, that's no good.

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That's no good.

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Yeah.

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And I think that Alex is so sneaky that when he says everything is fake, there's so many

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different versions of fake that he has in his mind that you're like, okay, well...

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No, the event actually happened and it wasn't orchestrated, but because they knew about

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the drugging in advance, they had already prepared for it.

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Somebody was on mind control drugs.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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And this clip actually got me into an interesting headspace.

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Okay.

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The average person in the Pentagon, the CIA, the FBI, even the White House is a good person.

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The average Democrat, the average Republican might be corrupt and might be a good old boy,

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but compared to the cabals that run things, they are nothing.

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And let's make this clear, that we have just a few thousand globalists and a few thousand

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operatives who are carrying all of this out and then they have the scripts for the media

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with the media ownership, they follow the agenda.

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We have the power to save this country and, yes, the world if we have courage and stand

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up and tell the truth.

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That clip really helped me put into context why it's so much less painful to listen to

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Alex's show in 2003 as compared to the present day.

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And that is there's a presentation of hope.

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In 2003, most people, Democrats and Republicans, even people who work in the intelligence community

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or in the White House, are good people.

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It's just a couple thousand villains who are secretly orchestrating literally every

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terrorist attack in the world and running all governments and financial systems.

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It's ludicrous, but from the standpoint of gauging emotional states, there's a perspective

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of optimism that you can kind of feel in the program.

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Compare that to the modern day where Alex's show is just fucking doom.

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In this clip alone, you have a reminder that most people are good people and a confident

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assertion that there's a good chance that the world can be saved.

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Both of these are completely foreign concepts to Alex today.

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Everyone who disagrees with him is a pedophile who works for Satan.

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And even if the Patriots are successful, the globalists are still going to kill almost

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everyone with a super bio weapon or whatever he feels like ranting about that day.

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Part of the reason his show sucks so much in 2021 is that it's actively depressing.

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Not just in the sense that it's depressing that someone would believe the nonsense that

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he says, but the way the show is structured and the way information is conveyed is a

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fucking drag.

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I don't believe Alex when he talks about courage or honesty, but I think that he might

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respect human life in 2003.

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Yeah, I mean, I...

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Here's what I would say, all right?

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I don't think any show should last longer than, say, ten years.

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Because here's... we're getting... this is what's happening.

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Iron Man, you're just fighting Hobodiah Stane.

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That's the first movie.

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You're just fighting some other guy.

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It's a real small self-contained story.

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Twenty years later, half of the universe has disappeared.

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You know what I'm saying?

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It's the problem of escalation.

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It's like The Simpsons.

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They're talking about a family.

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And then ten years later, it's like The Simpsons are going to the moon.

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And it's like because you just can't keep going at the same level.

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But what would happen if The Simpsons went to the moon?

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I think everyone wants to know.

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I think everybody does want to know.

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But eventually, you're going to have to say that everybody's going to die.

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If you start out with, there's a few thousand people.

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Twenty years later, everybody has to die.

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Like, it's just... yeah.

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I think that you're right when it's...

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I don't know if it's universal, but narrative fiction does have that way of

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running into a problem of like, well, we've told this story already.

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What other story are we going to tell?

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What is Infowars but improvised narrative fiction?

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No, I agree.

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And I think that that is the same problem that Alex is running into.

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How do you keep people excited?

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Exactly.

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Because I think that you can have other things like the McNeil Lehrer hour

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didn't go into it.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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I realize Carson was on the air for a while.

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Yeah, there's other forms of entertainment that don't have the same

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escalatory problem.

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Nope, everything is faulty towers.

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The end, two seasons, get out.

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So here is a nice example of the continuing threat of Alex being

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wrong in a way that he will soon learn is wrong.

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And they are appointing bath party leaders to almost every position.

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The people trained by the CIA in torture, espionage, oppression

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in the 70s and 80s.

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It is a CIA government.

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They're appointing the scum again in Iraq.

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So we've got these really consistent things that keep coming up on every show.

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Like Putin bombed the apartment buildings and they're putting the bath party

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CIA agents in power.

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I know it sounds like I'm beating a dead horse here, but it's constant.

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Not like he's saying it every other minute, but it's every show these things

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are touched on.

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And they're both not at all, well one's just inaccurate, and then the other one

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is something that is exactly the opposite of what Alex will later believe.

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Yeah, he doesn't know, we don't know yet that de-bathification is beginning.

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No, I believe we're another week or so off of when that conversation starts.

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Yeah, I mean it's close though.

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I believe it's in May or roundabouts in 2003.

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See, now this is one thing that is so frustrating about Alex is that

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on that day that he does find out, I would like him to find out on air

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and I would like him to deflate like a balloon.

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I would like somebody to prick him and he just goes, ummm, like that.

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But he's not going to do that, he's just going to include it in some other part

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of some, he's going to say no, they're doing it publicly to get rid of baths

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to make you forget that they're actually putting the CIA people in there.

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It's unfortunate, I want him deflated.

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This is wild, I mean we're on May 12th here and I just looked this up

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and the first coalition provisional authority announcement that started

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the process of de-bathification is the 16th.

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So we're four days away from this as we look at Alex's...

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Absolutely wild.

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So I guess we'll, on a pretty soon episode, we'll find out how he pivots.

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I don't know, I'm a little bit older than you and so in 2003 I was an adult.

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Yeah, I was not yet.

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I was a dignified, I was not.

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No, you were not.

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But I remember the conversation about Freedom Fries.

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Yes, oh, I won't forget that one.

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And Freedom Toast.

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Yep.

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I wasn't even an adult yet and I knew that was fucking stupid.

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People, particularly two members who are republicans in the house,

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got mad about french fries and french toast being served in the cafeteria

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because of course France had not agreed to join in with the invasion of Iraq

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and they were cowards.

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Yeah, it's never not going to be surprising that we are governed by children.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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To Alex's credit, he also thinks that whole Freedom Fry thing was stupid.

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Good for him.

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Although...

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Uh oh.

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Mexico opposed the war.

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Well, why aren't you mad at them if you're mad at France?

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France has three million Muslims by the way in it.

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You know why they said no, they'd get attacked.

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They didn't by their internal population.

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It's just reached new levels of ridiculousness.

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Jeremy in Indiana, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Go ahead.

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That's not great.

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That's not cool.

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I didn't even know there could be a racist reason for that being stupid.

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Yeah, I...

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It's stupid because it doesn't mean anything.

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It doesn't mean anything.

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It's a Belgian waffle even if Belgium doesn't appreciate what you're doing.

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Freedom waffle.

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It doesn't matter.

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It's stupid on its face because it doesn't mean anything.

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It's an empty, meaningless, pointless gesture.

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It's not somehow the cause of racism.

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Or you said, like, how is that possible?

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All things considered, I think I would rather deal with

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freedom fries and freedom toast than someone like Alex

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who's perpetuating the idea that France made this geopolitical decision

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to not get involved in the Iraq war at that point

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because they were afraid of Muslim French people attacking from within.

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Yeah, there you go.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's deeply Islamophobic and terrifying.

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And it's at a point in his career when he has the presentation

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of not being anti-Muslim.

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He's certainly not as aggressively anti-Muslim as he is in the present.

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But it seems like those latent things are there pretty clearly.

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Definitely.

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That's the level of shit where you're like,

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there's just no way you won't take it back to racism.

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Just like, oh, you know, I think I need a new coffee maker.

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Well, that's because of, I don't want to know why,

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but it's because my other one broke.

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There's no other reason.

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The other one just broke.

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There's no people behind it.

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Are you sure it's not the Turks?

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No, damn it!

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They're really involved in coffee.

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There's no reason to be racist about this.

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So one thing, I wish that I had musical ability.

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Because if I did, long ago, I would have made a bumper

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kind of Sting sound for the Alex telling a story that totally happened.

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Sure, sure.

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Totally happened.

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Because we get them all over the place.

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Throughout his career, at any point, you're going to hear stories

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that definitely happened.

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All right, cue me right before you play the clip.

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All right, right now.

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Alex's true story.

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You know, I have state police majors walk up to me.

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I walk into the cleaners.

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And I randomly pull in to get my laundry.

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Oh, I put it in two weeks ago.

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What I'm saying is it wasn't some stage deal

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where the major and the state police was waiting to talk to me.

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I'm driving back from the studio, a couple months ago,

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decided to pull in to get my laundry just randomly.

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And there's a state police officer in there getting his uniforms.

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He goes, Moosker Jones, can you come outside, please?

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And he goes, we were raised that this was the Soviet Union.

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We know something's wrong.

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The things we're being told are incredible.

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And I go, how many of you are awake?

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And he goes, most of the senior officers know something is wrong, Mr. Jones.

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DPS intelligence is fully aware of what's happening.

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And he goes, we know this isn't a conservative administration.

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I mean, you know, cops come up to me at the mall.

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They're doing security and telling me they know what's happening

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with a tear in their eyes.

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These cops come up to me.

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This is true story.

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They come up to me at the mall crying, telling me Bush isn't conservative.

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We get it.

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Sir, Alex Jones, please free us from the Soviet Union we were raised in.

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I saw your eyes get a little confused when he was talking about his laundry.

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And I was a little bit confused as well.

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But I realized that maybe he's talking about dry cleaning.

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Yeah, I was assuming dry cleaning.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I was totally assuming that.

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It seems weird to drop off laundry.

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It's a strange random thing to do.

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The time frame is really what was worrying to me.

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Yeah, that's true.

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So yeah, this didn't happen.

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So Alex takes a call at this point in the show.

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And this was interesting.

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This introduces a large theme that we'll run throughout the next couple days.

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One more thing, if you don't mind.

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Sure.

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These drills today that they're going to be doing in about 15 minutes, I guess.

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Yeah, the fake radiation attack in Seattle, stuff in Chicago,

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all training you to be a federal slave.

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These are supposed to take place for five days and raise the alert level, I'm told?

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Well, yes.

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Now during the drills, they're going to raise the alert level.

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Amber Alert will be flashing.

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Report gun owners.

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Report terrorists.

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Yes.

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And is this going to continue on for five days?

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And are they going to treat us?

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Are they going to basically put us under martial law for this?

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That's what this is, yes.

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This is a practice drill for martial law.

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When we get back, I will read you the article.

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This is a bad answer on Alex's part, but I kind of see what he meant.

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Alex meant that this drill was a part of preparing the public for martial law,

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but what the caller was asking was whether or not the drill would continue past day five

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into day six and day seven and so on.

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Would the drill be how martial law literally started?

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That was the question that was being asked.

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Sure.

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By replying in the affirmative, Alex was essentially telling this guy that this drill

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was the beginning of enslavement, which is really bad.

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It's hard for me to imagine that Alex misunderstood the question,

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except in the case that he wasn't listening at all, which is totally possible.

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Most likely.

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So I found the after-action report for this drill released by the Washington State Department of Health.

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This drill was called Top-Off 2, and it was meant to simulate a WMD attack simultaneously hitting multiple cities.

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It began with a bioterrorist attack in Chicago and a dirty bomb going off in Seattle.

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In addition to these challenges, quote,

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a cyber event affecting the state's communication infrastructure hit the week before.

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To further complicate the situation, a hostile takeover of the Washington State Ferry

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and a hostage event in Pierce County, south of Seattle, were included.

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That probably seems like overkill, but that's the point.

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As the report explicitly says, quote,

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in all, the event was meant to overwhelm local, state, and federal agencies

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with the goal of finding ways to improve preparedness, response, and recovery capabilities in the future.

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The goal was to create a fake situation that was too much to handle,

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so you can stress test in a fake situation instead of a real one.

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This bucket's not done. We're gonna fill it full of water to find out where the fucking holes are.

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Yep. This simulation taught the Washington State Department of Health a bunch of important lessons.

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For instance, they learned that their Radiological Monitoring and Assessment Center had no reason to be on site,

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since it, quote,

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became mired in the response organization, which limited its ability to fully perform its work in off-site areas.

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That's a pretty important lesson, but probably less critical than them learning that the infrastructure they had in place to transmit bulk data

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was insufficient to handle the needs they faced in an emergency.

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Maps and data tables that were critical to get to decision-makers were not effectively transmitted given their existing setup,

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which is a huge issue that they were able to identify from this.

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Uh, turns out, turns out using the Pony Express is not going to do it.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I apologize.

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You gotta speed this up.

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Another thing that's important to understand is that this is just the after-action report for the Washington State Department of Health.

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They didn't run the simulation. They were just one of the groups participating in it.

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Each entity that took part, they played different roles in the simulation, and they faced different challenges,

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and each came away with their own lessons, their own gaps in planning that they could resolve.

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I found the after-action summary for the entire exercise from the Department of Homeland Security,

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and the Washington Department of Health is just one of 47 state or local agencies that took part in the drill,

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along with 41 federal agencies and 21 agencies from Canada that got involved because that bio-attack that hit Chicago,

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it ended up spreading to Canada.

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Oh, God damn it, Canada.

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Yeah. I was reading over this summary, and there's an amazing piece on page 8,

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where the exercise ended up teaching everyone who participated about the actual definitions that are in the Stafford Act,

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which covers how federal assistance is deployed to states in an emergency.

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They found...

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I know we were supposed to read it before. I know.

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No, they had read it, but it clarified a definition because they hadn't role-played this thing out.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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They found that as it was written, a terrorist bio-attack, quote,

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does not clearly fit the existing definition of a disaster by the act.

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This made it so the President couldn't issue a declaration of a disaster in the drill,

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but instead the Secretary of HHS could only declare a public health emergency.

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They didn't realize this beforehand.

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From the report, quote, these two declarations illustrated some of the subtleties of the Stafford Act

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that may not have been fully appreciated before the exercise.

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Sure, sure.

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There's a ton of value to organizations preparing like this,

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using fake disasters to learn how to respond better to real disasters.

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This exercise was followed by Top-Off 3, which took place in 2005

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and expanded to fully include exercises being run by the Canadian and UK governments in collaboration.

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Cool, cool.

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In that scenario, they came up with 15 scary terrorist ideas and chose three to simulate.

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There was a terrorist release of a mnemonic plague in New Jersey,

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a mustard gas IED attack in Connecticut,

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and then the events in the UK and Canada, which this report doesn't specify,

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and that really pissed me off because I want to know what games they were playing.

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Yeah, I want to figure it out.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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This was followed by Top-Off 4 in 2010,

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and as of yet, this series of scenario planning exercises has not resulted in martial law.

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You would think that if Alex's whole thing about how the globalists used these exercises

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to launch their evil plans or something had any merit,

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one of these would have resulted in something more nefarious than government employees learning things.

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Yeah.

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And honestly, I love reading these reports because it's like,

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this would be my best day at work.

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Yeah, that would be a good day at work.

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If I worked in these areas, it would be so much fun.

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Oh, totally.

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It's the day at school where they're like, okay, today we're going to play Heads Up 7-Up.

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You're like, yes, that's my favorite day in school.

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Yeah, totally.

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Or there was this thing called CASA in Missouri, in Columbia.

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It was the Columbia Aeronautic and Space Association.

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Okay.

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And so what they would do is they would have students come,

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and we would simulate running a spacecraft.

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Oh, that's cool as shit.

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Yeah, and so one of the stations was,

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my memories of this are a little bit spotty,

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but one of the stations was made to look like the actual shuttle.

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And so you're in there and you'd have some responsibilities.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Another one was command, the command center.

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And so you were like...

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You're Kobayashi Maru-ing it.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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And I remember that being, that's a day that sticks out to me in my head

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from my entire elementary school career

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because of just the excitement of going and role-playing this scenario

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of trying to make sure we were able to communicate between the two.

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And they obviously would throw some curve balls,

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like something's going wrong.

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Sure, yeah, of course.

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You've got to fix something.

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Yeah, it's excitement.

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So much fun.

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Yeah, we had a small six-foot-tall inflatable planetarium.

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Mm-hmm.

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You could see the stars.

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Not quite as fun.

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Not, no.

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No, it wasn't.

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So, I don't know.

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I got really into this, and I got furious that the Canadian

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and UK scenarios weren't at me.

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Yeah, that sounds pretty fun.

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Talk about the document because I was like,

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I want to know what they were facing.

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I kind of want to see if we can orchestrate like a giant national

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role-playing game where we just play the exact same thing,

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but we're people inside of the simulations,

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and we have to act like we're all dying.

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One thing that I found that I actually kind of took a little bit of issue with

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was that prior to this there was an exercise, the original Top Off exercise.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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And that one was unannounced, and so people didn't know it was happening.

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Oh, man.

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And I would say-

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They've learned a lot of lessons from Top Off over the years.

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The other ones were announced ahead of time.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I don't know why they would do it unannounced.

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Like, I mean, everyone who was participating knew.

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Yeah, but I mean, that happened with the fucking United States Army

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in Russia during the Cold War.

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They were like, let's simulate bombing Russia,

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and let's not tell Russia about it, you know?

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They're dumb people.

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It seems like not a wise-

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It seems like a possibility for trouble.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, Alex gets another caller, and this guy brings up a question

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about 9-11, and I found this to be troubling.

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Well, you know, there's one question on 9-11,

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so I just got your DVD last Friday.

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I've only gone through it slowly, and then I'll go home and park.

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But let me ask you, you say over and over again,

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Al-Qaeda is a CIA type of trained people, correct?

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Yes.

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These types of people don't commit suicide.

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Well, let me explain that.

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A what?

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We believe, all the evidence says, those people weren't even on those aircraft.

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You know most of the hijackers have been found alive.

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Stay there. We'll talk about all that.

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A what now?

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This is a great indicator of how seriously Alex takes research

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into what's supposed to be his primary field of study, the truth about 9-11.

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It's a regular talking point in the 9-11 conspiracy communities

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that some of the accused hijackers have been found alive,

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but anyone who's looked into this with any depth at all

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could tell you that this is a simple case of mistaken identity

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and the investigative process being judged in the middle,

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as opposed to at its conclusion.

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Yeah.

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One of the men listed as a suspected hijacker was Walid Al-Shahiri,

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and just after the FBI released a photo of him,

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he made a pretty big effort to stress that they had the wrong guy.

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He is a pilot in Saudi Arabia and had done flight training at the same school

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in Daytona Beach that the other 9-11 hijackers had,

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but he was definitely alive and was living in Morocco.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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Hi, I did not fly that plane on account of I am here.

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So what happened here?

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This was a simple case of mistaken identity.

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One of the Flight 11 hijackers was named Walid Mohamed Al-Shahiri.

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As the man who was alive protested his innocence,

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the BBC made an error in their initial coverage,

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reporting that a man listed as one of the hijackers was actually alive,

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which, while technically accurate,

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gave a different impression from what was actually going on.

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If you just live and die by headlines and never look any deeper into things,

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you could easily think that the person the FBI claimed was on Flight 11

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was actually alive, but you would be wrong.

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This is a super easy thread to untangle if you want to know what happened,

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and certainly all of this information was fully available in 2003.

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Sure.

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There are a couple other people who were named as hijackers

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who initial reports claimed were alive, who actually were alive,

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like Abdulaziz Al-Omari and Salim Al-Hazimi.

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These two men had something very specific in common,

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which is that at some point in the not-too-distant past,

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they had their passports stolen.

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Al has me by a pickpocket in Cairo,

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and Al-Omari in a burglary when he was living in Denver.

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Sure, sure.

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Each of the instances Alex has of supposed anomalies like this

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are actually instances of bad, miscommunicated information

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that he never followed up on.

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Unlike Alex, reporters for Der Spiegel actually did look into

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some of these coincidences to see what happened.

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They reached out to John Bradley, the managing editor of Arab News,

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where much of the initial reporting originated, who told them,

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quote, all of this is attributable to the chaos that prevailed

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during the first few days following the attack.

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Yeah.

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What we're dealing with are coincidentally identical names.

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He also made it clear that these articles were being written after

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September 14th, when the FBI had only released a list of names

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of suspected hijackers.

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If there's one area where Alex really needs to be sure he's covering his bases,

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it should be 9-11 conspiracies.

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But you can see here how sloppy his work is, even on this trademark subject.

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Even in 2003, even about 9-11, you can't go deeper than headlines.

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Yeah.

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I can't imagine the terrible day you would have if your passport had been stolen

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and then you woke up the next day and it was flying into a plane.

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That would be a real bummer of a day for you.

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Yeah.

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Man, oh boy.

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Yeah, and so there's a combination of a number of different reasons

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for these mistaken identities.

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There's some that's like identity theft, or at least very strongly

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suspected identity theft.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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And then some of it is this other element, this misreported similar names

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or the same names.

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There's a lot of people in the world.

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Right.

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Some of them have the same names.

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Right, I don't.

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And that period of time between when the FBI released names

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and when they released photos, there was a great deal of confusion

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and sort of the fog of unclarity.

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As we see after every great disaster.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So Alex takes another call and this one does not go well at all.

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I have one more question.

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I'm sorry to take so long.

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Are you aware of a guy by the name of William Cooper?

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Of course I am.

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Okay.

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I stole my career from him.

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There's something on his website and he has all his recordings from way back.

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Yeah, I know.

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But he has one thing about you being a liar.

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I understand, sir.

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That's a diversion.

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Total diversion.

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I appreciate your call.

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Frankly, my show is not about, and most other shows are,

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and that's why we never get anywhere,

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my show is not about what this talk show host says

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or what that talk show host says in the Patriot movement.

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I'm sorry.

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My show is not the gossip column.

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Even before it descended to the trash that it is now,

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even in 2009 he spent all his time yelling about Glenn Beck.

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Oh, man.

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So yeah, I mean, he quickly became the gossip column.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Well, a lot of people, as he stated,

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a lot of people really like to listen to the gossip shows.

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It's true.

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So he was looking more for that.

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So this caller has made Alex introspective and he decides,

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well, the name William Cooper has been evoked on my show.

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I'd better lie about it.

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Okay.

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William Cooper became unstable in the last years of his life

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before he was gunned down by a SWAT team in his Arizona home.

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I called the guy up when he was in trouble with the IRS calling

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for help and said, I'd like to interview you.

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And he began cussing and yelling and saying,

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only I have the answers.

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Well, I want to just tell folks,

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I never got into UFOs and stuff you can't prove.

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Cooper did.

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And I don't know what Cooper's problem was,

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and I'm sad he's dead.

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I'm not going to sit here and talk about somebody who's dead.

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Here's the issue.

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Alex is totally right that Bill Cooper was incredibly unstable

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and was a nut.

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He's lying about the appearance on the show, though.

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We did an entire episode.

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Oh, I thought he was lying about how long William Cooper

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had been unstable for.

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Oh, yeah, probably a bit longer.

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The last few years of his life.

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Oh, boy, it was a lot longer than that.

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I think he did get much worse, though.

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Yeah, I believe that.

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Yeah, we did an episode that covered Bill Cooper's appearance

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on Alex's show, and it does not match up at all

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with the way that Alex presents it.

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Nope.

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Alex was an asshole to him, if anything.

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Yep, 100%.

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But, you know, Alex doesn't get...

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I'd be rich for a guy to criticize somebody

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getting into aliens later on in life,

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and then later on in life telling me

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that interdimensional beings are controlling the globalists.

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Oh, and, I mean, he says stuff that's even more ironic.

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So, see, what I do on this show is

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I don't talk about the visions that some prophet had

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out in the desert.

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Oh, no.

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He said the nukes are going to go off next week.

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No.

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And I don't talk about Planet X.

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And I don't talk about flying saucers.

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And I don't talk about psychics.

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Oh, no.

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And I don't talk about other talk show hosts,

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unless there's some national host, like Sean Hannity

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saying every child should take a microchip.

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Did I get Bingo?

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I have a video of Hannity and Combs.

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Or if it's Savage saying,

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put anyone who disagrees with the government

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in a forced labor camp.

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I occasionally break my rule for that.

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But I don't talk about rumors and trash.

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I don't talk about psychics, and then in the future,

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I'm a psychic.

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I'm a psychic.

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I'm a psychic.

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Come on, now.

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I don't talk about visions.

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I have visions all the time.

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Actually, the universe was revealed to me,

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and my prediction of 9-11 was actually based on a vision.

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I have dreams that are prophetic.

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Yeah, and a lot of the time, they happen

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whenever I'm out in the middle of nowhere.

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Ah, what a dick.

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What an asshole.

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So Alex takes another call,

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and this person brings up prison labor.

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Sure.

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This is bizarre, because I think that Alex's

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opposition to prison labor might not come from

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the same place that yours or mine might.

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Yeah, I would say slave labor is bad,

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and I somehow feel like Alex would disagree

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with me on that point.

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I think he agrees, but the reason why

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is where we get into a little bit of a...

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I saw him on a colloquy with Mark Saldor

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Thursday a week ago concerning the prison industries

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and how they're putting our small businesses

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out of business, so our people are not...

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A lot of good old boys, Jones, say,

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hey, make them prisoners work.

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The problem is most of the industry is now privatized.

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It is an industry.

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They're working for an average of 23 cents an hour

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competing against your jobs from the lumber

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to electronics to furniture to...

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To uniforms for our military.

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Customer service, everything.

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It's taking our jobs.

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It's slave camps.

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Exactly.

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Seven and a half million people in the system now.

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I think that opposition to prison labor

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shouldn't be it's putting other people out of business.

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Yeah, I would say that Alex is now a union man

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in about 1845 saying that slavery is great,

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but you're competing with our wages.

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Yeah, because it does imply that this kind of thing

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would be okay were it not to jeopardize

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the success of other businesses.

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Yeah, and I think...

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And I don't agree with that.

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The way to put it on an equal playing field

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is if they're competing with your business

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where you pay people, say, $9 an hour,

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what you should do is convert them into slaves for you

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and then everybody's on an equal playing field.

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That's Alex's solution, I think.

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I'm not sure if that is his solution.

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I think that's what he said.

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But I find this to be an unthought through position.

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Or at least...

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A psychopathic, self-involved, and beneficial solution.

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If that is where his opposition to prison labor

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and the system that is in place,

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if that is where it derives from, it's shallow.

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It has nothing to do with the act

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of making people in prison work for very low wages.

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Sure.

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Just not in industries that compete with American businesses, Dan.

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I don't like this.

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What makes you not like that?

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Anyway, so this caller has heard about a bill.

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Maybe. Possibly.

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Doesn't remember the bill, but it did something.

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And maybe it has to do with prison labor.

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Could be.

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Well, I wanted to give you the number of H.R. 1829.

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What does that bill do?

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Well, you know, to tell you the truth,

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I was away from my 50th class reunion.

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I didn't take notes, but Sauter and the other fellow, Mark Sauter and...

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Okay, what did they say the bill did?

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They were trying to restrict it in some way.

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So it's a bill that expands the prison industry.

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They admitted, oh, they're not for it.

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They're against it.

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Okay.

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And plus, they said that they're already,

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the government is already building new plants,

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new buildings for expansion of the plants.

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Yeah, I mean, what did camps do in Germany?

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You had a bunch of prisoners next door to a plant.

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Right.

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It's incredible.

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Joan, I appreciate the call.

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So that caller had sort of heard something about a bill,

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but didn't know what it did or really anything about it,

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but someone she'd heard talk about it kind of was maybe into it or maybe not.

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I don't know what was going on there.

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No, I appreciate anybody calling into a political talk show

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describing their political views very similarly

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to how my grandma would describe the movie that she just saw a couple of days ago.

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It was the one with the, and there were the people in it.

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What's the opposite of informative?

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Because that's what that was.

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Ooh, deformative?

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Maybe.

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So H.R. 1829 in the 108th Congress was also known

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as the Federal Prison Industries Competition and Contracting Act of 2003.

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Here's what that was about.

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There's a government-owned corporation called Federal Prison Industries,

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which is used to produce goods using the labor of incarcerated persons.

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I'll read to you here from the C.G.O. cost assessment of implementing this bill.

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Quote,

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Under current law, federal agencies are required to purchase products from F.P.I.

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if products are available to meet the agency's needs

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and the costs would not exceed current market prices.

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Such products include office furniture, textiles, vehicle tags, and fiber optics.

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Under the proposed legislation, this requirement would be reduced

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over the next several years, and the share of the federal market

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that F.P.I. holds for the products and services it provides

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would be limited to 20% and 5%, respectively.

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If you understand that text properly, what this bill would have done

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is actively reduce the government use of products created with prison labor.

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The bill aimed to divert some of this productive capacity

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towards making goods that would be donated to non-profit organizations

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instead of being sold to the government, which honestly still sucks.

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Additionally, there were provisions for funding of vocational training

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for incarcerated persons and funding for programs

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to test rehabilitative activities that could be productive towards helping.

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This caller has no idea what this bill is, and she's telling Alex about it

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as if it's something that expands the prison system when in actuality

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it was designed to limit the profits that are derived from prison labor

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and funneled a fair amount of money towards efforts to help people

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improve their lives while incarcerated.

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In the House, it's completely bizarre to see how split the vote on this was

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and not on party lines.

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It got yay votes from Steve King, Nancy Pelosi, and Mike Pence.

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Well, they all love slave labor.

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But it got nay votes from Maxine Waters

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and Walter No French Fries and My Cafeteria Jones.

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He was one of the guys who did the freedom fries thing.

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I am really struggling with the idea that somebody wrote into a bill

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before we've used 100% slave labor for our stuff,

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but now we want our slaves to make things to give to nonprofit organizations.

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Not 100%, but I get what you're saying.

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Can you write that down and think of that as not terrifying psychopathy?

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Yeah, it's weird.

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That's wild.

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What do you think Ron Paul voted?

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I'm going to go with Ron Paul voted.

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Wait, this would have restricted the amount that the government

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could have bought from their slaves, right?

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Yeah.

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Okay, so I'm going to go with Ron voted for it.

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He abstained from voting.

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Oh, god damn it. That's because it's screwed with his brain.

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He has to hate whatever Nancy Pelosi likes,

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but he also wants private businesses to...

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In the time of polarization that we're in now in the present day,

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it is really weird to look at this and see it being pretty mixed

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in terms of parties on each side.

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The bill ended up passing the House 350 to 65,

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but it died immediately upon being received by the Senate,

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and no action was taken on it.

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Cool.

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Good work, government.

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Way to do your jobs.

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So Alex ends up talking to this guy named Colonel Craig Roberts,

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and he's not the same person as Paul Craig Roberts,

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who's a weirdo and guy who wrote for VDARE.

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This dude is super into conspiracies like JFK.

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Sure.

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He loves Oklahoma City.

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Sure.

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And the Finders.

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Gotta love the Finders.

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He's big into the Finders.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So they're talking about some child rings and stuff

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back in 2003.

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Okay.

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Alex isn't super into it, and it's not all that lascivious.

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Good.

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And he doesn't bring up Epstein, so that's interesting.

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So he didn't know about Epstein.

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He might have.

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Could have.

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It's not proof that he doesn't.

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True.

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But it's not something that comes up immediately.

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Although Alex does say this in their interview.

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It's like, ugh, come on.

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Governments always get corrupt individuals in control of them.

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They always seek to maintain control and expand that control.

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They always flip out and get on power trips and start exterminating their populations

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for no reason other than the fact that they serve their father.

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We know who that is.

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God damn it.

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Infuriating.

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Okay.

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Still could be a metaphor.

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It's very unsatisfying.

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That's dark.

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How dare he say that?

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Stop tippy-toeing around it and dip your balls into Jesus, okay?

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Let's go for it.

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He still talks about Jesus from time to time.

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I'm less interested in him being religious.

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Right, right, right.

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Which does exist.

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Certainly not as extremist and overt as it is in the present.

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Sure, sure.

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But I'm not interested in that.

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I'm interested in specifically the literalness of his waging war against the devil.

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That like turning into a televangelist type deal.

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Yes, yes.

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Where everything we're doing is a fight against the literal Christian devil, you know?

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So the Craig Roberts and Alex have a conversation that it hits on a number of kind of like,

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I don't care, kind of conspiracy topics.

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Sure, sure.

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And it's, you know, it hits a lot of bases that we've hit before.

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And I'm not so much interested in a lot of that minutia because of stuff like this.

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Once they put laws into effect, they can say,

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well this law is going to sunset for a certain time.

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Well a Brady law sunsetted and it didn't go away.

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The assault weapons ban sunsetted.

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Patriot Act One sunsetted, but now they're saying they're going to get rid of that sunset.

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These dudes are being super dishonest about the subject they're covering here.

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For one thing, this episode is in 2003,

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over a year before the federal assault weapons ban is set to hit its sunset date.

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Alex is saying that the ban's sunset provision had just been ignored, which is a lie.

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And even if he was just saying that they were going to ignore the sunset provision in the future,

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he would be wrong.

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The Patriot Act was not subject to a complete sunset clause,

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but various sections of the bill were.

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However, the sunset date for that bill was December 31, 2005,

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more than two years in the future from the point that Alex is speaking here.

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In terms of this one, it's a little bit more of a complicated picture.

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I'm not in favor of the Patriot Act,

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but I don't think that attacking it from the standpoint of sunset clauses

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is a particularly effective approach.

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There have been multiple bills over the years that reexamined

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and reauthorized various provisions and amended some of them as well.

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This is a common aspect of bills that have sunset clauses.

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You know, it's not like they have a self-destruct clause.

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The idea is to set a date in the future to reassess whether or not

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the particular bill is worth continuing.

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You can take issue with the decision to reauthorize the Patriot Act,

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but pretending that reauthorizing it is somehow cheating?

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That's a silly argument.

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Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

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Both of these examples that Alex uses to make his point that the bills,

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they have these sunset clauses, they just never go away,

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they're bills that haven't reached their sunset dates yet.

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He's just making this shit up.

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Now, the case of the Brady Bill is actually a little bit more interesting.

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The bill was first introduced in 1987 and was constantly a non-starter.

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The Reagan administration didn't appear all that interested in it,

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and Congress had a lot of trouble with getting it to a floor vote,

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so they would tend to attempt to attach it to larger crime bills,

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which ended up being a losing strategy.

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All this changed when Bill Clinton was elected in 1992

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and voiced support for the Brady Bill

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and indicated that he was willing to sign it if it was passed.

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This changed the landscape, and the bill made its way through Congress.

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Part of the negotiation to get the bill through Congress

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had to do with the mandatory waiting periods the bill put in place for gun purchases.

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With the technology available at the time,

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it could take a while to run a background check,

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so a five-day period was included in the bill.

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However, gun proponents wanted to strike a deal.

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Their long-standing argument was that a provision should exist

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that this waiting period would be made null and void

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once the technology existed for an instant-check system.

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This made some sense, given that the waiting period was largely predicated

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on the technological inability to do the checks quicker.

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Instead of this compromise, what was decided was that

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the waiting-period provision of the bill would have a sunset clause

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that would kick in in five years

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whether or not there was an instant-check system that worked.

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This satisfied both sides, and the bill passed the House and Senate in November 1993.

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The Brady bill itself didn't have a sunset clause.

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This provision of it did.

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The larger bill was permanent, and put in place requirements for background checks

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for gun sales made by federally licensed gun sellers.

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In 1998, the NICS system was developed, and that kind of made this whole question moot.

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The sunset clause came and went,

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and now there is no federal waiting period required for purchasing a gun.

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Each state has the right to make their own rules on that,

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and according to a recent article from ABC News,

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ten states and the District of Columbia have waiting periods,

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whereas most states do not.

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Alex and Craig Roberts are covering the subject from a completely dishonest perspective.

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Alex is just making stuff up,

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and Craig is pretending that the entire Brady bill was set to sunset

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when in fact it was just the specific provision which did in fact go away.

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I understand that there's staunch opponents of any kind of gun regulation,

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but covering the material this inaccurately feels like it's a disservice

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to sincere people who care about gun rights,

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and it leads me not to take the stuff that they're saying all that seriously about any other issues.

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Yeah, that's frustrating. That's very frustrating.

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I don't like it. I don't like it.

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Also, I don't like that the waiting period expired.

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I think that's stupid.

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At the very least, at the very least, here's what we should have.

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No bad days waiting period.

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You can't have a bad day and then go buy a gun.

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You gotta wait at least until your bad day is over.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah, I do. I understand that position,

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and I think that states that decide to pass those things are well within their right.

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Makes sense.

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The idea of not having a federal mandated waiting period doesn't seem that weird to me.

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As long as the background check system does work and it is effective,

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which I'm not positive it's fully operational and does a perfect job,

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yeah, I don't know. I can see both sides of it, but I don't know.

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I think on a state level it's fine for that to be where that lives.

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Sure, sure, I see that.

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Let's call it the no breakfast of champions law.

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You can't have a sudden outbreak of a syphilitic breakdown and buy a gun on the same day.

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I think that's fine.

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Yeah, in a perfect world I would be alright with that.

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Okay, good. We have come to compromise.

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Sure.

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Now, Jordan, it's time for you to play the theme song for our new segment.

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Alright, Alex's True Story.

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The one time I got death-threaded by the government was when Judge Walter Smith in Waco case wouldn't allow a jury.

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And I don't know who did it, but obviously it was from that quarter.

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And I went and we protested, we pointed this out, I was billing that Branch Davidian Memorial Church,

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and they got very mad.

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And I got little messages that couldn't come from anywhere but the government.

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You know, the whole voice changer bit, the whole thing.

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You know, the stuff from horror movies.

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Anybody can do that.

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Stuff from spy movies.

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The news does that.

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I love my country, you know, so be it.

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I told them.

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Whatever, you know, I don't know.

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And I've been left alone.

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I don't believe Alex's version of this story or that it happened,

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but even if you take Alex at his word, in 2003 he had only been threatened once.

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I just don't like that I know for a fact that they've been doing TV interviews with voice modulators and everything.

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Oh, they haven't.

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Yes, they have since the 80s.

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Oh, they haven't.

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Even before that.

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And Alex is like, only the government has that capability.

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Yeah, no one else has a voice box thing.

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Yeah, absolutely not.

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No, no, no.

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There was a fucking vocoder for Peter God-

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This is really high-tech stuff, all right?

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Only the feds have this.

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So he's talking, Alex is talking to Craig Roberts, and this clip really, really was a big problem for me.

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Well, remember Chandra Levy, this was even on Fox and CNN.

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It ended when it broke that she was involved in some type of weird satanic sex call.

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Did you hear that, Colonel?

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Yeah, and that didn't surprise me either because of all these other findings we have.

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And there is a huge satanic underground movement that's linked to the homosexual community in Washington, D.C.

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And we're not the only ones saying this. I mean, this stuff pops up on TV.

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Oh, yeah.

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Well, here's the first real indication that I've seen that maybe Alex does think he's up against the literal devil at this early stage in his career.

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This one sounds pretty serious.

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It's still not nearly as overt as he is now, but it's getting close to being disturbing.

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The issue that I run into is that based on what Alex is saying, he could very well think that he's fighting a group of Satanists,

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and at the same time not think that he's fighting the minions of the literal Christian devil.

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True.

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He could just think that these Satanists are idiots doing dark, pointless rituals to a non-existent deity,

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so I regret to inform you that this is not conclusive enough for me to call this case closed.

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True.

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So I was interested in the idea that Chandra Levy, be it, was involved in a satanic sex cult.

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This was news to me, so I decided to poke around and see what Alex is talking about.

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It was also news to me.

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This was not a story that broke in the mainstream news, and the reason people stopped talking much about Levy and Gary Condit was because 9-11 happened.

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It wasn't like the media was worried that people would learn of a secret satanic sex cult, so they buried the story.

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9-11 happened.

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It was, well, I mean, that was, it, look, that happened in the morning.

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Otherwise it was a slow news day.

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I would imagine that not a lot that ranked happened that day after, yeah, I could see that.

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So this is a bit confusing, but it appears that this traces back to a post on the website of a guy named Tex Mars.

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This is upsetting for a number of reasons, and one of them actually dovetails with this stupid conspiracy that Alex is raising here on this episode.

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Tex Mars died in 2019, but up to that point he was an incredibly prolific conspiracy theorist and extremist Christian speaker, coincidentally also based in Austin.

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Perhaps one of the most distinctive traits of his, though, is a very clear, very deep, and very consistent anti-Semitism.

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Tex still has a website running, and if you go there, you can purchase audio tapes of some of his lectures.

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Or maybe they're preaching? I don't know.

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Allow me to read some of the titles that you can buy, which I was tempted to buy, but I'm not going to give this asshole or his estate a penny.

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Who killed Jesus? How cowardly lukewarm Christians are abandoning the truth and ripping passages out of the Bible in a futile attempt to appease the Jews.

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Was that a sequel to Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

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Nope.

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Here's another one.

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All hail the Jewish master race!

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I think that sounds weirdly positive, honestly.

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Here's a little snippet of the description of that one.

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OK.

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Quote, first the Romans asserted their superiority. Then came the Nazis and their exalted Aryan race.

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Now, now it's the Jews who claim to be the master race.

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Tex Mars exposes those would-be gods on Earth for what they are. Arrogant, power-grubbing people ferociously opposing God's truth.

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Please, one quick second.

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So here's another one.

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Quote, Obama tells Jews no more. The president finally stands up to the world's tormentors.

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What a weird thing to support Obama for.

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This one was apparently about Rahm Emanuel leaving the administration.

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Sure. Good for Rahm Emanuel, I guess.

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One of them is called, quote, famous anti-Semites whom I admire.

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Interestingly, Ron Paul.

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That's just a diary entry.

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Yeah.

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That is just a diary entry. How dare you. Don't you just list that shit. Buzzfeed. Fuck you.

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He includes Ron Paul on his list.

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Oh, wow. Ron Paul is great at anti-Semitism.

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Then there's one called, quote, chimeras, monsters, pizza gate, and the satanic hoodwink of America and the world.

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That sounds like a pretty regular TED Talk, to be honest.

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The description includes, quote, Jewish scientists are working on DNA that will be inserted into the mind of every person at birth,

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ending anti-Semitism forever and creating new races that will love Jews.

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That's almost a legitimate possible solution for Jews. I think they should try that one.

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One more is called, quote, should Christians burn the Jewish Talmud?

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No.

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Now, I don't want to order or listen to this one, but I'm guessing the answer Tex comes to is yes.

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Based on how the description ends. Quote, if Tex Mars were to declare an international burn the Talmud day,

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would you be there to help him toss these trashy devil volumes into the bonfire?

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Um.

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Sure.

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Uh.

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Do the people burning holy books think they're the good guys?

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Tex does.

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Oh, okay.

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Also, I should point out that his website also sells a bunch of books about how the Holocaust didn't happen,

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including one by a guy named Brian A. Lewis Sherlebot.

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That middle name's probably a coincidence, right?

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That could be.

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Probably a coincidence.

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Could be. I doubt there's anything to do with it.

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Oh, boy.

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Tex Mars is a giant pile of shit, and one of the things that's the most constant theme of his is that Judaism is synonymous with Satanism.

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It's something that constantly comes up in his lecture titles.

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One is just called, quote, inventors of evil things, how the Jews created Freemasonry, Illuminism, Communism, Satanism, Witchcraft,

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and the New Age movement, and what they're up to now.

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The description of that tape includes this.

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Quote, Jesus said of the Jews, you are of your father the devil, and he spoke absolute truth.

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The historical record is clear.

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Wow. Good work, Bible.

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Now, this also takes us back to earlier, when Alex used, you know, you are of your father.

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Little bit.

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Little bit of...

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Might be some crossover.

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...troubling parallels.

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Could be something to do with that.

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For someone like Tex Mars, all roads lead back to Jewish people being behind the conspiracies that he promotes.

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His brand is antisemitism.

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It's just impossible to engage with his material and not understand that.

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So if Alex, taking this conspiracy about Chandra Levy being involved in satanic sex cults, you know, that's from Tex Mars's website,

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if he's taking that seriously, that's an indication of a very serious trend towards antisemitic content on Alex's part in this period.

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Tex wrote at least two columns about Chandra Levy's disappearance and murder,

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and thankfully these are not behind a paywall, so I could read them.

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They're fucking ridiculous.

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Okay.

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One attempts to make the argument that Levy was a secret Mossad agent.

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Okay.

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Quote, an accumulation of evidence indicates that the 24-year-old Levy was a youthful recruit in the Israeli Mossad,

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that nation's premier spy agency.

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In that capacity, she had served as an intern at the executive offices of California Governor Gray Davis, an Illuminati initiate,

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and that is where she first met Mr. Condit, also an Illuminati servant.

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This falls just short of being convincing.

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Is that an accumulation of evidence or just like a-

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It's piling up.

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Yeah, okay.

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Tex, based on literally no evidence other than his imagination, decides that as a Mossad agent,

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Chandra had insinuated herself in Gary Condit's life, then used him to get herself access to the CIA headquarters.

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There, she learned of the Illuminati's plan to use fake Islamic terrorists to do 9-11,

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and thus she had to be killed so she couldn't spill the beans.

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Wow, she's good.

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Tex puts it this way.

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Quote, as horrifying as the question may be, one must now contemplate the mind-numbing possibility-

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No.

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That Chandra Levy very well may have been victim to a darkly vicious satanic force.

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Damn.

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My response to this is, must one?

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Yes.

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I don't think one must contemplate that possibility.

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I don't know, have you started contemplating it yet?

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I have.

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Okay, see, then you did.

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According to Tex, these darkly vicious satanic forces are the work of, quote,

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DC's exclusive satanic brotherhood, to which he claims literally all members of Congress have to be a part.

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Not that exclusive.

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When Tex Mars is discussing these satanic forces, you'd have to be a monumental idiot to not understand he's demonizing Jewish people.

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Yeah.

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It's really fucking obvious if you know anything about his work.

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You could just check out his lecture titled, quote, The Jews Are Preparing a Grave for America,

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which warns that, quote, powerful Jewish interests have a stranglehold on American government, the economy, and our culture.

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We are in grave danger!

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What's the anti-Semitic about that?

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On the one hand, it's kind of intriguing to have this first step towards Alex talking about his feelings about the devil and Satanism in 2003.

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But on the other, and much more serious hand, it's a real problem when you pull the thread of what he's talking about

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and it leads back to another Austin-based conspiracy theory who believes that Satanism is a plot of the Jews.

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Yeah, it would be hard to believe that, living in Austin simultaneously, no one brought him up to Alex.

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No one brought this guy up, so Alex has no idea who this is, and this is all coming from his own brain.

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I know that Tex Mars has been on Alex's show before.

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Of course.

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Yeah, although I don't think that he plays as much of a role in later times.

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I know that the name has come up, but one of the problems is there's another guy who's a conspiracy theorist named Jim Mars.

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Damn.

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I know he was on Alex's show a lot, and I think that Tex Mars had a lesser, but definitely a still-existing presence.

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Right.

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And they both created M&Ms together?

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Good joke.

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Sorry. That was shitty.

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So yeah, I'm really troubled by this.

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I did not expect that the first sort of fuller overture towards talking about satanic forces and what have you

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would be in the context of a story that was widely disseminated primarily by Tex Mars,

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who has a tendency towards satanism and stuff being coded ways for him to be antisemitic.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That leads me to be very worried about how much more antisemitic Alex's show may have been in the past.

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Yeah, it does seem like...

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And it's making me clear that I need to, when I'm looking at these past episodes,

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I need to be a little bit more cognizant of that.

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Right, right.

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Because the question could be raised like, with the globalists,

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is he stealing obviously effective antisemitic propaganda in order to rebrand it

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and use what is a very effective way to make his own money?

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Right.

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Or is he antisemitic and he's just camouflaging that same propaganda under the term globalists?

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Yeah.

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So it's that kind of appropriation versus...

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It's a question that we've never really been able to find definitive answers to.

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Right.

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This does seem like a good...

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It's more troubling.

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Yeah.

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Because I don't believe that anybody, anybody could engage with the work that Tex Mars puts out

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and not be aware of the particular character of antisemitism.

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Yeah.

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And a bunch of other stuff too, anti-Catholic.

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He just hates a lot of people.

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But I don't think that you could.

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And for Alex to, you know, seem to take information from his website seriously,

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it makes you worried about what other stuff he might.

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Yeah, that's not good.

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Yeah.

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That's not good.

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So we now jump to the 13th because they have such a good time, Craig and Alex,

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that they just take calls and...

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Sure.

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It's boring.

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Yeah.

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So we jump to the 13th and overnight there was a bombing in Saudi Arabia.

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There was a series of bombings.

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And based on nothing, Alex has decided that this was a false flag.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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And he has a list of suspects.

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Go for it.

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Now, this could be the CIA.

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It could be Mossad.

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Or it really could be Palestinians that got into the country, got explosives and did this.

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There are real suicide bombers.

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There are real terror groups.

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They are few and far between.

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We don't know right now.

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We probably never will.

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We know Vladimir Putin blew up three apartment buildings to get martial law going in Russia.

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That's admitted though.

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So that keeps going.

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Yeah.

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Again.

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Yeah, you just gotta toss that in there.

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Yeah, that's pretty constant.

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It is a really great example of a false flag effectively turning a man into a dictator.

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So, there's that.

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Yeah, so Alex has these suspects for this bombing and it's just based on nothing.

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Like, he has nothing to demonstrate or prove that this was in any way anything other than

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suicide bombings.

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I don't know.

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It feels like maybe it's the CIA or Mossad.

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Yeah, probably.

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Feels like it could be, Dan.

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So, one of the things that we've heard Alex say in various periods of time is conditional

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acceptance of wars of regime change.

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Sure, sure.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's something he actually really does believe.

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You know, if the government was leaving our liberties alone, leaving our guns alone, leaving

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our freedoms alone, controlling our borders, and they said, let's invade Iraq because they're

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bad.

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Let's invade Syria, Iran.

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I could say, well, that violates what George Washington said.

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But you know what?

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You can't really argue with it too much.

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If they were really bringing freedom and all this, but they're not.

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They're mowing down protesters.

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They're giving them $20 a month to live on.

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They're totally enslaving them.

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They're grabbing all the oil.

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They're enslaving us here domestically.

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They got gun bills that dwarf all gun control ever seen that Bush says he's gonna sign.

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Again, this is the same thing as the thing about prison labor.

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It's somebody who has the same position as you being opposed to prison labor or being

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opposed to the war in Iraq, but the reasons are not the same, and that's bad.

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Because Alex is conditionally fine with regime change wars as long as people will just leave

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him alone.

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Yeah.

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No, no, no.

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Apartheid is bad.

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Sometimes.

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That's not a good take.

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That's not a good take, Dan.

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No.

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Not a good take.

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No, because if you solve the wrong problem, then the bigger problem is okay.

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It's still there.

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Hooray.

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It's okay with Alex.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, we can't have a dictator in this country.

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Well, I mean, we can have my dictator.

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Yeah.

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That's a good dictator.

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I don't mind a dictator as long as they leave me alone.

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It's gotta be my dictator who's gonna do what I say.

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Yeah.

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That's how I want things to work.

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I tell people how to live.

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Now, I should tell you, I have studied everything about tyranny and I am probably the only person

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who really understands it and is a voice against all forms of despotism.

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Except for the women that I do.

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Right.

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Because if you do my dictatorship, you'll never have another dictator.

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Yeah.

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Duh.

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And I think that this is indicative of the shallowness of Alex's opposition and the shallowness

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of his beliefs, at least surrounding the issues that he presents himself as being on the marquee

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of that.

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100 certain.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's really troubling to me.

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And one of the things that I can't really get past is like how obvious it is listening

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to this, that even if you didn't know that Alex turned into the biggest piece of shit

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in the world.

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Right.

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If I heard him say that back then, I would be like, wait a second.

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Sure.

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Wait a second.

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You would be fine with this war if you didn't have your guns hypothetically needing to be

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registered?

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I don't know.

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You know?

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That's one of those things.

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And I think what it is not so much that as it is like I think about going back and watching

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a movie from the 90s now and stuff pops up and you're like, I remember this movie as

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being one thing.

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Yeah.

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And now I saw this and I'm like, holy shit.

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That's definitely true.

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I think if you give somebody the benefit of the doubt, especially during the time period,

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you're going to wind up missing or like skipping over in your brain just stuff and being like,

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he wasn't really thinking about that.

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He's on the radio.

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He's just talking shit.

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You know, like that kind of stuff.

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I guess that's true.

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And you can also, you can't account for like how differently you engage with things based

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on the time.

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Totally.

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You know, like watching, I went back and I watched some of the like attitude era wrestling

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not too long ago, a couple of years back.

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And I was watching it.

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I was horrified.

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Yeah.

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Some of the stuff was like, wow, not realize, oh, you go back and you're like, Jesus Christ.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Alex has this, this story.

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The main story of the episode is the bombing in Saudi Arabia.

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There is no real actual discussion of it.

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There's no, I mean, there's discussion of it, but there's no information that he provides.

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There's nothing.

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You can't really discuss that.

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It's a false flag.

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Every information that you get would be false information, Dan.

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So you just got to speculate, right?

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There's a lot of speculation and then also this, this is what I think is the most important

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thing.

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We'll be right back and I'll get into the NRA finally admitting the ultra gun grabbing

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is going on.

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More on the bombings, more on the terror drills that coincide with the bombings, final control

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is needed.

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See what happens when you don't become our slaves, the Batman come and eat boom, boom

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you.

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Operation Northwoods will be back.

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So I have to say that this is a pretty desperate attempt to grasp at straws on Alex's part.

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In order for his theories to make any sense, terrorist attacks have to match up with drills

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and you can see here because he's already covered the top off drill, he'll accept any

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event as connected regardless of how weak the argument is.

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Oh, totally.

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His belief about the whole drill thing is that the globalists use drills so they can

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have plausible deniability in case one of their plans goes wrong or, you know, someone

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involved in the attack gets caught.

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For instance, they'll run a bombing drill when they plan to carry out a bombing because

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that way they can plan out the details of the bombing and if anybody asks what they're

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doing, they can say it's for the drill.

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Sure.

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There are also ideas about how the globalists have to tell you what they're doing before

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they do it according to some dumb intergalactic contract law.

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But generally speaking, this concept that the drills are used as cover is central to

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why the connection between drill and event means anything.

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Alex's theories about the London 7-7 bombing rely on a misunderstanding about news reports

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about a consultant giving a brainstorming presentation to business executives where

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he had a scenario planned that closely mirrored the actual events of the bombing.

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That's a thin connection to draw, but at least the subject matter of the scenario and the

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attack were similar enough that you could see what Alex is trying to say.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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In this instance, there were a number of suicide bombings in residential compounds in Riyadh

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that were generally known to be occupied by foreigners, particularly Westerners.

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Meanwhile, in Chicago and Seattle, there was an interagency exercise going on that simulated

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a simultaneous biological attack in one city and a dirty bomb in another.

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These two situations lack the primary piece of the whole drill conspiracy puzzle, which

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is that they're used to plan the attacks.

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Yeah, that's what they're supposed to be.

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Or that there's a connection between the two.

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That's what they're supposed to be used for.

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This is sloppy shit, and I'm kind of shocked that Alex's listeners wouldn't realize this.

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I can kind of understand buying the whole drill conspiracy when there's overlap between

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the drill and the event, but even when you accept this nonsense, now Alex expects you

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to believe this extends this far?

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These completely unrelated and not even thematically connected scenarios in Seattle and Chicago

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are somehow related to bombings in Riyadh, like when there's a very unpopular war happening

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in Iraq.

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That is probably one of the benefits for him of having constant global news at all times

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because something is always happening.

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So there's always something coincidentally happening with something else that he wants

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to claim.

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Yeah, but this is, this is soft.

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Oh, it's weak shit.

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It is weak tea.

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It's a ways off.

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I wouldn't even, if I were Alex, I wouldn't even try this.

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He's a young gun.

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He's inexperienced.

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He's really giving a shot.

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You gotta find your boundaries, and the only way to find your boundaries is to step beyond

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them.

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Fine.

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So anyway, Alex talks about this a little bit more, and my only note on this is that

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this is unfair.

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Already into the second hour of this worldwide broadcast, wide open phones in the shower.

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We talk about the tragic, convenient, right on time bombings to legitimize the police

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state and these drills they're running, the FEMA takeover drills, the martial law preparation

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activation tests that's going on for the FEMA takeover.

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So now the bombings themselves are meant to give credibility to the exercises that are

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being run in Seattle and Chicago.

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What the fuck?

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No, I'm very tired.

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You can't.

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That exhausts me.

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Yeah.

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This is pretzel shit, dude.

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Yeah, no.

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No, you cannot eat your own tail at me.

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That's not possible.

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Yeah, it's not, it's not fair.

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It's not fair.

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Either these exercises are used to provide cover and planning for the globalists or they're

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part of contract law or they're not actually what's like, sometimes the terrorist attack

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is actually about the exercise.

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It's actually the reverse.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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That's what I was thinking.

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He like twisted it around.

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So now that the, now the terrorist attack is providing cover for the drills instead

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of the drills.

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I mean, I guess the reality is that when anything is fake, it doesn't matter.

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That's a good point.

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If you believe or like your editorial line for these narratives is that all this stuff

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is fake, it's no longer disrespectful to take something like this and use it however you

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want because who cares?

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Your editorial position is just expediency.

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Whatever's the, I, yeah, I don't know if anybody's ever really truly made a career out of taking

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the path of least resistance quite like Alex.

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It's just like, I'm just flowing.

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You know, he's almost reached a zen position of just flowing through the river.

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Whatever bullshit comes out of his mouth, he just rides along it behind him.

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He's self-sustaining a fart blimp.

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That's what he is, Dan.

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I have become one with the wind.

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He is the Hindenburg.

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So Alex takes some calls and he gets a call from a guy who gets pretty religious with

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him.

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Sure.

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So quick, Alex hangs up on this guy.

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Okay.

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But I also spend my life also in the scriptures and what's amazing to me, the things that

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are being spoken, not only by yourself, but there's a few others like you out there that

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the scripture speaks of.

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I hear you and I appreciate your call, Nante, and it's good to have you as a listener.

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Take care.

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If you're dead in Pennsylvania and you're on the air, go ahead.

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This caller was saying that you're in the Bible.

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Alex, I am calling to say that you're a prophet.

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Listen, I don't have that kind of stuff on my show.

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Cut to, I am the Messiah!

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Quite a change.

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God damn.

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Quite a change.

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God damn that is fast.

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Yep.

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In 2003, one of his sort of primary positions and branding strategies is anti-police brutality

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and anti-police stuff.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a quick, easy way to look above the left-right paradigm.

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Yes.

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Because I mentioned it and it's online at info-wars.com right now.

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Councilwoman criticizes action by constables.

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This is out of the Morning Call Online mainstream newspaper.

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They shot three dogs too fatally when they went to serve a warrant in Allentown for unpaid

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parking tickets.

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Saying there is a doozy of a problem here, Allentown Councilwoman Gail Hoover expressed

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outrage Sunday over the shooting of three dogs too fatally by constables serving a warrant

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on a man who had not paid parking tickets.

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Obviously, this is not something I'm okay with.

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Police should never behave this way, and I think we can all agree on that.

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I just find it interesting that Alex ends up taking almost an entire segment on the

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show to rant about this story, which is honestly tragic, but definitely doesn't seem like something

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that needs to be front and center of the show's news that day.

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It just makes me really sad to see him spending like ten minutes decrying the evils of the

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police killing two dogs, when in his later career he rationalizes that sometimes police

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are right when they shoot unarmed black people.

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Personally, I'm opposed to all acts of police violence, but I don't think a story like this

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actually ranks as important news for a number of reasons.

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The first is that even from Alex's headline, you can tell that the city council person

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is upset about this event, and is pushing to take appropriate steps to address the issue.

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No, all globalists are evil.

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In this instance, you can see unacceptable behavior from the police, but you can also

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almost be certain that the victim is going to win a civil suit and have some kind of

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restitution.

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And that's exactly what did end up happening, when they settled a claim against the cops

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who shot their dogs for $320,000.

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Money can never make up for the loss of a loved pet, but what can you do after the fact?

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Hold people responsible and pay the victims.

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Even this story that came out in the morning call about this shooting prior to this episode

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that Alex is recording quotes another cop who quote, said he wanted the family to know

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that constables carry up to $500,000 in liability insurance.

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Quote, we're walking cash cows for a good lawyer, he said.

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Even other cops in the department were saying that they needed to do what needed to be done

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to make things right.

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Wow.

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And they had a lot of insurance.

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That cop reminds me so much of that Kyle Kinane bit, where he's like, you know, you meet somebody,

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you meet enough, you live an interesting enough life, you meet plenty of cops in your day.

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And every now and again, you find one who's just like there but for the grace of God,

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he's like, I could have been working at the gas station or I could be in a cop pays five

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bucks better.

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So, oh, man, that's great.

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That cop just being like, hey, man, sue the shit out of me.

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I don't got to worry about shit.

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You got a lot of insurance.

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Come on.

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So we have one last clip here.

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It's another story that Alex is sort of touching on, but he doesn't really know the details.

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And I'm driving along listening when I left to the, you know, seven o'clock news or whatever.

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But I'm listening and they said that the that the governor with the Speaker of the House

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has ordered the arrest of over 80 members of the legislature.

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And I'm listening.

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No, I'm not kidding.

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I'm listening to them reading this, this AP headline national headline, because they say

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they've been ordered basically under Homeland Security to follow all orders, the voters

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they're told by Washington.

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And then you hear this state rep from Houston saying they're taking over.

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We won't be part of this.

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And that's all it said.

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We don't know what they're talking about.

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I typed in the article.

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It popped up.

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It just said they've been ordered to be arrested.

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See, I'm so conditioned in this la la land that I'm hearing that members of the House

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have been ordered in the Senate to be arrested.

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I don't know how you do it.

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I mean, that's the fact people are listening right now in Texas, you heard this was on

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national AP news, call into the show if you heard it, why I didn't print that article.

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I read it online last night when I got home, didn't print it didn't cover it.

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I can't keep track of it anymore.

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Seems like if it's this kind of story, you probably should have thought to print it.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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So what happened here is that the Republicans had taken control of the Texas legislature

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in the most recent election, and they were pushing a hard agenda that included harsh

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spending cuts and redistricting.

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How funny is it that we no longer live in a world where I can assume after you say the

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Texas Republicans took control of the legislature, that it would end in, in an election.

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The Texas House requires a quorum of at least a hundred of their members to actually meet

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and vote on things.

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So 58 of the Democrats in office decided just to not show up, to boycott the agenda that

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they were essentially powerless to stop in a vote.

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This is something they can do, and in response, the House Speaker has the authority to send

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the Texas Rangers out to find them and bring them in to vote.

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It's basically hide and seek, but with the government.

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Exactly.

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52 of the lawmakers decided to get out of the state in order to avoid being arrested,

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so the Speaker requested help from other states to get them back into chambers.

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Naturally.

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An Associated Press article includes an amazingly dishy response from New Mexico Attorney General

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Patricia Madrid, who said that she had, quote, no authority to arrest lawmakers who show

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up there, but went on to say, quote, nevertheless, I have put out an all-points bulletin for

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law enforcement to be on the lookout for politicians in favor of health care for the needy and

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against tax cuts for the wealthy.

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Ha ha ha ha!

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Goddamn!

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Woo!

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Get her!

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Oh, get her on Roast Battle!

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Shit!

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Yeah.

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Goddamn!

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The Democrats returned when the time had elapsed for the bill, but it didn't matter.

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Governor Rick Perry held repeated special sessions to push through the redistricting

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plan and eventually got it passed, thereby gerrymandering the hell out of the state house

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districts and giving a very strong advantage to Republicans to remain in power.

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Alex is pretending that this is an instance of power-mad folks having their political

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opponents arrested and sent to the hole, but the reality is it's part of political maneuvering

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that's uncommon, but it's not really outside of the standard rules set forth by the Texas

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House.

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Yeah, it's power-mad politicians so corrupt that they're willing to destroy their entire

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state in order to ensure that right-wing politics rules the day.

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Listen.

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It has nothing to do with putting your political enemies in the hooskout.

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Listen, the gerrymandering and the redistricting stuff is the real issue.

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That's the real problem.

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That's the conversation.

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That's corrupt and power-hungry.

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The sending Texas Rangers out to bring people back to vote is a silly portion of the rules

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of -

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Yeah, we live in a weird world.

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Yes.

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It's a sort of government procedure.

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Yeah, there is that, like, I understand that we have those rules, but this is childish.

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Sure.

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This is silly.

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Like how you have to say, like, the good, gentlewoman from New Hampshire.

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Totally.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Shut the fuck up.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I don't need this bullshit.

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Yeah.

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So, we reached the end of this.

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I mean, that was a pretty boring episode, the 13th, I gotta say.

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Yeah.

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Not much goes on.

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It did not feel like it.

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A lot of talk about that bombing.

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Sure.

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A lot of actual information.

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But I think that we stumbled upon something fairly important here, and this is -

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The satanic cabal, living underneath DC, swallowing the blood of our children.

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The way that this is characterized, the way this sort of has a little bit of a clue leading

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back to Tex Mars is a bit troubling.

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And I'm worried about what we're actually going to find through this fanciful and seemingly

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fun investigation into when Alex started thinking he was fighting the devil.

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Yeah.

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The uncovering that maybe this, too, is all rooted in appropriated or exploited anti-Semitic

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ideals is not what I would have liked.

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It does feel a lot like that day you're like, hey, Carrie Cassidy, kind of an anti-Semite.

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And then it all crumbled down and you're like, fuck, all fun things just wind up with anti-Semitism

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at the bottom.

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Brutal.

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It does seem that this might be another indication or another example of that, and we will see.

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We will check back in and, you know, we'll see what we find.

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I hope it really goes well for him.

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Alex?

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I have bad news.

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He shows up.

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I hope he gets his act together.

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Oh, no.

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Right now, I feel like 2003, there's a bright future ahead of him.

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Eighteen years later, he will be on air threatening to eat his neighbors.

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There's that.

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There is that.

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Okay.

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I don't think it goes well.

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It's at best lateral because he's richer.

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That's true.

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He's much richer.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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In some ways.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, we'll check back in, but until then, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's at knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at knowledge underscore fight.

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And I go to bed.

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And we're on iTunes.

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If you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area.

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Yep.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX.

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Clark.

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I'm Daryl Rundis.

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I kind of think that steak knife is a fine code name.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.