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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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I have great respect for Knowledgefight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.

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Knowledgefight.

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Dan and Jordan.

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Knowledgefight.

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Riddle her.

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Riddle her.

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Riddle her.

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I need money.

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Riddle her.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Stop it.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Andy and Kansas.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a fish and color.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your room.

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Knowledgefight.

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Knowledgefight.com.

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I love you.

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I love you.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes that like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk just a little

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bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are Dan.

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Jordan.

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Jordan.

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I have a quick question for you.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today is another counter shout out.

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Another counter shout out.

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Counter bright spot.

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A counter bright spot.

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Aha.

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An anti bright spot.

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I could not resist the urge while I was sitting around in the house.

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I saw those Coca Cola with coffee staring at me.

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You did it again.

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Then I tried the vanilla one.

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I swear you learn better than anyone else in certain areas and in others you're simply

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impossible.

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I'm a glutton for punishment.

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You are.

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When it comes to weird packaged goods.

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I've never had it before, it's like your guiding light whenever you're at a store.

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Yeah but it also, it's a pretty specific space.

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That's true.

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Because if it was like Coca Cola now with octopus.

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Right, right, right.

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That's not going to do it.

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It has to also intrigue you.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I get ya.

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And kind of a really like 13 year old kid might get excited by this kind of way.

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Ooh it's a new type of Nerds.

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That's my sweet spot.

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Speaking of which they have those Nerds clusters.

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They got the Nerds Ropes?

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They got Nerds clusters.

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No, Nerds Ropes came out like 15, 20 years ago.

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Okay fine, fine.

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We sold those at the movie theater I used to work out when I was like 17.

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I'm sorry I'm not a snack nerd if you will Dan.

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So I tried the vanilla one and I gotta say it was better.

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Okay.

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Still really bad.

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All right, all right.

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Still disgusting.

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Okay.

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But it was kind of like you know the vanilla masked some of the problems of the coffee.

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Sure.

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Let's add a fourth flavor in here.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Let's throw, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Let's just keep tossing stuff in there.

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Cherry vanilla coffee coke, let's see if we can fucking make this taste not atrocious.

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It's like when somebody describes wine tea and they're like it's got an oaky finish and

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there's hints of fruit in there and somebody's like well what if we just added all those

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flavors into coke?

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It'd be like a regular drink.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I say sommelier, I say nay.

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Samala nay.

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I'm gonna try the caramel one at some point.

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Well, of course.

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Naturally.

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You're already a pot committed here.

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This is-

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That's in the fridge.

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Yeah, it's there.

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I'm gonna drink it at some point.

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It's just a matter of how long and how many times will I stare at it before I try.

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Yeah.

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What's your Bright Spot?

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My Bright Spot, Dan, is it happens to be a very beautiful day in Chicago and my partner

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and I went and played tennis and wow, the outside is nice, Dan.

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You remember the outside?

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I've heard a, I've heard tale of it.

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You remember the outside?

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What were you doing?

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You were doing it, you were, what do you do on the show again?

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Uh, the work.

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You were working on the-

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Yeah, I was doing that part of it while you were enjoying the outdoors.

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There is that.

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It's great that you get to do that.

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Wow, we also frequently have conversations about how much I love nature and how you think

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it sucks to go away.

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There is that, yes.

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I'm a man of many contradictions, Dan.

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Well, I'm glad you had fun playing big time ping pong.

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Uh, yeah, it was great.

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Big old ping pong?

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Yeah, it's real big.

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That was the original name.

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Originally ping pong was called whiff waff in the United States, but before that tennis

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was called great big whiff waff.

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What's pickleball?

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Uh, pickleball is-

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Is that related to tennis?

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Isn't it the one where it's got the whiffleball and there's holes in it and you do the thing

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with the pickles?

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I don't know.

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I don't think pickles are actually involved.

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I'm not sure that they're not.

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I've heard that word said a lot and I don't know what it is.

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I have heard pickleball as well.

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Please don't send me messages about it, I'm going to look into it as soon as we stop recording.

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We're going to need 3,000 messages.

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So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.

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We're going to be doing a little bit of a time travel adventure.

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Come back in time or forward?

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You ask that every time and we can't go forward, I've tried.

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We are going back to 2010, the magical 11 year old time of 2010.

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Sure, sure.

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Things were so different.

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Yeah, it's like the turn of the millennium, but instead of the Iraq war, we had more of

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the Iraq war.

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Sure, sure.

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We had the midterms coming up.

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We had the Mayan apocalypse on the horizon.

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Sure, that's still to come.

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Certainly.

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Yeah, yeah.

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A lot of interesting stuff happening.

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So, I'm excited to dabble in on this, but before we get into that, let's take a little

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moment to say thank you to some folks who have joined up and are now policy wonks.

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That's a great idea.

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So first, Dr. Yummy Feet, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Dr. Yummy Feet.

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Thank you.

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Next, Brendan, the policy wonk.

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Brendan, the policy wonk, policy wonk.

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Thank you.

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Kranthulus the 12th, conqueror of five empires, lord of the blood pits of Fentha, Fathna,

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excuse me.

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Yeah, Fathna gets really pissed if you don't pronounce their name properly.

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It's true.

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It's true.

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Yeah, it's a brutal, brutal feeling.

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But I'm known for my mispronunciations of locations.

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That's true.

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I'm sure the Fathnians will.

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So it's on, hashtag, on brand.

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Okay.

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Next, Paranoid Lemming, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Paranoid Lemming.

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Thank you.

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Thanks for the brain worms, Jon, much love from E, thank you so much, you are now a policy

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wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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This might be connected.

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What's that?

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I do believe that these are both about the same person.

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Okay, we have a policy wonk pile on.

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So the next one is, Jon, I blame you for getting jokerfied, love rex, thank you so much, you

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are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much to all of you.

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I think Jon is maybe getting some people into the show.

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Jon, you gotta get to, damn.

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So thanks, Jon.

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So Jordan, like I said, we're going back in time, and I've made this call on the show

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before, and I think I did it at a time when we had a smaller audience than we do now,

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and maybe this will have a little bit more reach, and so if anybody out there listening

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has access to really old Alex Jones episodes, like late 90s, early 2000s, please reach out.

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I would like to try and find a way to get my hands on stuff from like 95, 96, 97, and

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if anybody has a line on those, I've tried a number of avenues and they all kind of reach

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dead ends.

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A lot of people have some tips.

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Did you text him?

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No.

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Oh.

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I have not, I've considered that a last option.

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That assumes that you already have his number.

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Yo, yo, yo, yo, Alex, you up?

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Hey, Alex, what up?

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You got those old episodes for me.

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There are a number of paths that I've gone down that seemed like, oh, this'll work out.

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It's kind of difficult.

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I think there's some, the episodes exist somewhere.

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I know that for sure, but it's very, very difficult to find them in any meaningful way.

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You think the Smithsonian has them?

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Got to.

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Library of Congress?

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Of course.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, somebody's got to.

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So today, Jordan, I was trying to find a fun time travel thing to do and you know, it's

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tough.

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It's a challenge.

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Yeah.

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And you're a witch, so you have high standards.

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Yeah.

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My standards for witchcraft are real.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I got a message from a guy by the name of Kirby Ferguson, who does some videos on YouTube

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and Kirby had just finished up a duo of videos about Joe Rogan and Alex's last interview

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and sort of the, some of the techniques and the styles that are used in the conversation.

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Sure.

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And I really enjoyed watching that.

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It was really a nice thing.

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And so I started thinking like, let's find some Rogan.

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Oh no.

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So I went back to September 15th, 2010 and found.

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Welcome ladies and gentlemen.

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Welcome and thank you for joining us.

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It's September 15th on this Wednesday, 2010 transmission.

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I got a call last night, Joe Rogan host of Ultimate Fighting is in town and he was inviting

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me tonight to see the UFC and I said, Hey, why don't you come in the studio and get his

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view on politics and quote conspiracies.

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So that is good, but that wouldn't be enough.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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That's not enough.

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This is before the Joe Rogan experience, right?

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Or like at the very beginning of it, maybe.

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I would have a hard time knowing exactly when it started.

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I know that he promotes Joe Rogan.net, which is his website.

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That's where the Rogan experience was initially.

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So I could see it maybe being in like its earliest stages.

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At the very least, we know he does not have $100 million yet.

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He certainly doesn't, but he does have a friend.

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And Eddie Bravo is a jiu-jitsu master.

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He's also going to be in studio with Joe today.

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So we got an episode from 2010 with Alex, Eddie, and Joe Rogan in Alex's studio.

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I thought this would be a fun little thing to glimpse back on scene.

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Take a little bit of a load off from the present day nonsense, maybe be a little bit lighter.

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This was back when Eddie Bravo was still a practicing doctor, I believe, right?

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Doctor jiu-jitsu.

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Yeah.

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He is licensed.

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He's a, boy, he's not made for FCC controlled things.

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Oh yeah?

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Why do you say that?

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We'll get to it when we get to it.

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So Alex is going to talk to them at the end of the show.

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That's third hour business.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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So I was like, I wonder what's going on beforehand and what sort of show they're, you know, by

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appearing on it and being advertised as guests on the show.

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What are they basically endorsing?

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What are they elevating?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What's going on?

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Yeah.

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And so we get to Alex talking about how back when his grandmas was around, you know, in

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grandma's time it was offensive to see a belly button in I Dream of Jeannie, but now society

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is collapsing.

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Oh boy.

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In fact, last night I was talking to my mom and she was discussing her grandmother back

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in the sixties was over at their house and she saw I Dream of Jeannie and she was just

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shocked by the fact that the woman's navel was visible.

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And now, you know, you can make fun of people who are shocked by things like that, but civilizations

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have been wild and decadent and crazy before and people figure out, hey, we better control

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this to some level.

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Put away the belly button.

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Or it causes society to collapse because it's a slippery slope.

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One belly button.

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Now look at the culture.

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It's the end of days.

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People see millions and millions over their lifetimes of simulated murders and deaths

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and torture.

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And every time I go to a movie to analyze it, I'm not really a fan of really violent

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films.

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What?

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It's because I realized how serious it is unless it's in a serious context.

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I would have liked to been in the theater when the road came out a few years ago.

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I saw it on DVD and was profoundly affected by it because I've studied so much history.

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I know how accurate it was dealing with cannibalism and deprivation.

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I never put the pieces together until that clip that Alex's entire idea of like everyone

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becomes a cannibal within 15 days is just from the road.

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Just Cormac McCarthy.

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Straight up.

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Yeah.

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I wouldn't rely on Cormac McCarthy for the betterment of mankind in terms of thematic

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elements.

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But Alex pretends that that's like stuff from studies and so everyone becomes a cannibal

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within 15 days.

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Yeah.

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No, I mean, that's just kind of like, yeah, there's a bunch of bad people who are cannibals

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in the road.

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I can see if they had made a movie of it, I could see Alex's Devil being based on the

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Judge from Blood Meridian, but that was a book and it's hard to read even if you're

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good at reading.

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So, no.

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It's just a post-apocalyptic fiction novel that's got turned into a movie that Alex is

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pretending is real.

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Yeah.

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Viggo Mortensen, right?

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Yeah, I think so.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Vigo.

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Yeah, it was a good Vigo film.

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The historical examples of cannibalism have been in ritual context, which makes sense

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because the amount of energy you'd need to exert to kill and eat a non-cooperative human

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would not be worth whatever nutritional value you gain from it.

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It would be smarter from a caloric perspective to eat just about anything else.

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This is just another example of some supposedly researched position that Alex has got that

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he's coming from a movie that he experienced as real.

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I mean, you know, in many ways, I would argue that man is the most dangerous game.

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Because it fights back and it's harder to trap.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, so if there's easier game, go for the easier game.

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And that includes leaves and shit, man.

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It's not hard.

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It's true.

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It's not hard.

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No.

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No.

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And the other thing, too, is you will find a number of examples over history, of course,

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of people who are in desperate situations who resort to cannibalism.

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Of course, yes.

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Honor party and such.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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A lot of those, what makes those sort of unique are isolation.

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It's isolation that's really crucial for those, yeah.

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It's a lack of other legitimate options.

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Somebody who's lost at sea or something.

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Right, right, right.

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You might eat somebody.

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Yeah.

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If they were on, perhaps, a road, it would be far easier.

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The problem for many of these people is that they are trapped in the middle of nowhere

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with no hope of escape or anywhere.

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If there's foliage and wildlife, it's substantially easier and better for everyone to not eat

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people.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So much better to not eat people.

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And you don't need to wait 15 days to figure out that.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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So dumb.

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Oh, what a dumb dumb.

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I'm not going to eat any of these goddamn fruits.

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So Alex has this idea that, and he sort of touched on it in that last clip, and that

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is this notion that fake violence on TV and seeing it makes you experience it the same

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way you'd experience real violence.

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Sure.

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And I have some thoughts about this.

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Oh, yeah.

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As somebody who's shocked by images of violence and death, someone setting themselves on fire

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or blowing their brains out, there's real footage of that out there on the web.

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Back in Vietnam, people were shocked by the image of children who'd been napalmed with

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their skin burned off.

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People were shocked by the image of Vietnamese police blowing a man's head off in the street.

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That's shocking.

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But now people are like, big deal.

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They laugh about it.

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Not that...

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And they think it's cute.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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And it's because A, they don't know history.

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B, they don't have common sense.

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And C, they haven't experienced trauma.

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Wild.

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And this has all been done by design so that when your neighbors are being abused by the

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jackbooted thugs or when the CPS is taking your kids, even your own family isn't going

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to be shocked by it and just accept that bad things happen because the mind sees all this

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simulated violence on television as real.

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And so it can't differentiate between fact...

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Cut off at the break.

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That clip is really key to me to the point where it's one of the only times I can remember

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where I'm really disappointed he got cut off by the break.

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He's kind of interested in where he was going.

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Here Alex is lamenting how fake violence on TV is experienced by people as real violence

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and that desensitizes them to seeing instances of real life violence.

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I don't know how common that is necessarily as a phenomenon.

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I bet there is some effect that it has.

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But I know that I've seen plenty of horror movies in my life and I still pretty much

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experience depiction of violence difference than I do actual violence.

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Pro wrestling is a really good example of this.

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I can watch people hit each other with chairs and send each other through tables but if

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I were watching that being done for real I would not enjoy it.

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Any time it appears that someone has actually hurt themselves in wrestling reality creeps

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in and I become worried for the performer because it's possible to enjoy the narrative

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depiction of combat and still remember that it's a performer performing.

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Then there's stuff like the UFC where people are fighting for real and people are trying

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to hurt each other.

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This is still kind of ritualized violence where everyone watching understands that these

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are two trained competitors who've agreed to fight each other under specific rules to

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see who's better at the sport.

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It's closer to real world violence but it's something that's formalized, professional,

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and both parties have consented to what's going on in the contest.

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And then there's movies.

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Right.

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Right.

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Which are just totally fictional.

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Those are fictional, yes.

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Most people can tell the difference between these forms of displays of violence and experience

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them differently, whether that different experience is conscious or subconscious.

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It seems to me that Alex cannot, and he assumes that because that is his experience everyone

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else must also not be able to differentiate between the two.

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Now here's where this point gets important.

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Because Alex can't tell the difference between fiction and reality, he can't also tell the

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difference between reality and fiction.

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In the same way that he thinks that a fictional movie like The Road depicts a legitimate realistic

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cannibal future, he has a tendency to think very real things like the Sandy Hook shooting

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were completely staged.

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Alex pretends that exposure to fictitious violence has made everyone desensitized to

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real world violence, and yet in my experience one of the major themes of his show is denying

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the experiences of people who have experienced the effects of real world violence because

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he thinks it's fake.

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Yes.

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I think that's an important dynamic to recognize.

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Yeah, I mean there's that extra level of not just because, you know, he can't tell the

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difference between reality and fiction, and so he assumes everybody else can't tell the

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difference.

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Yes, I do think that is a part of the dynamic.

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But that like second level of, of course he can't also not assume that of everyone else,

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because if he were to realize that other people can easily tell the difference between reality

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and fiction, that would be an attack upon him personally, or it would tell him that

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it's possible to tell the difference between reality and fiction.

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Hmm.

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You know, so the only way that he can maintain his psyche through this is by assuming that

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not only can nobody else tell the difference between reality and fiction, but that he's

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the only person who can tell you you can't tell the difference between reality and fiction.

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Yeah, perhaps that is, that is true.

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Yeah, he's a mess.

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Yeah, he's a mess.

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Yep.

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That's a real bummer.

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You know, Alex has another story that's going around, and this is, this is interesting to

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me because, you know, he's above the political divide, right?

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Sure.

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The left-right paradigm is an illusion, and it's all meant to get us all mad at each other

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and fighting for no reason.

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Yeah.

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Democrat, left, right, conservative, Republican, meaningless words.

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All just infighting for no reason.

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This seems weird.

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This is 2010.

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Mm-hmm.

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Big story at Infowars.com by Kurt Nemo, Pennsylvania Homeland Security puts anti-tax protesters

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on list of terror threats.

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And we got same reports out of Texas six years ago, listing gun owners, veterans as the number

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one threat.

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But because it was Bush's administration doing it, conservative media wouldn't pick up on

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it.

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Now that it's Obama, meet the new boss, same as the old boss, like the Who song says.

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It's like, oh my gosh, Obama wants to go after conservatives.

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Folks, you've always been the enemy.

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Again, I would watch conservative pundits on Fox and listen to them on the radio, read

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from reports that I had.

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They didn't tell you they were reading a report, but I'd read the reports.

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We'd covered it here.

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I knew they were reading federal demonization scripts.

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Whoever's loading their teleprompter is a globalist.

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I mean, they're getting a direct government propaganda feed.

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We know they're bad.

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It's open and shut.

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So if you understand what he's saying, if you get to the root of what he's saying when

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he's trying to make this argument that he's above this sort of left, right, new boss,

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same as the old boss, he's saying that Obama is targeting conservatives in the same way

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that the conservatives targeted conservatives.

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The left isn't the target of any of this stuff.

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It's they are always the victim of no matter what.

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No matter what.

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No matter who's in charge, the enemy of the globalists is these conservatives, like Alex's.

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It's interesting.

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It's only the far right white.

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But it's interesting that he can articulate this idea of it doesn't matter who's in charge.

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They're all the same.

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But the thing that he's saying that they're all the same about is that they're all globalists

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who hate super far right people like me.

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Yeah.

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I mean, essentially it's like, hey, we don't have any white nationalist candidates.

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And then they got a white nationalist candidate and they were like, holy shit, this is what

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we've been wanting the whole time.

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Yeah.

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And here in 2010, you're starting to see a little bit of the beginning of that materializing

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into a possibility with the Tea Party being on the rise.

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Yeah.

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Again, because of whiteness.

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It was a major driver.

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Yeah.

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Big deal.

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And Coke money.

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Yeah.

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Not Coke head money.

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Coke brother money.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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So in terms of that, there is something that's going on at this point in September.

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And that is that Christine O'Donnell was running for the seat in Delaware in the Senate.

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And there had been a little bit of squabbling.

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Karl Rove had come out and he'd had an interview that was a little bit critical of O'Donnell.

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And Alex is not happy about this.

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Here is the New York Times today.

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GOP leaders say Delaware upset hurts Senate hopefuls.

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Now they basically said the same thing about Rand Paul.

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They sent in Cheney to campaign against him.

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They put all their money behind the Republican establishment pro bailout candidate.

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They demonized him, just like the Democrats are now doing.

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And he's widened his lead against the Democrat in the last few months since he won the primary

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against the Republican.

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But they said the same thing.

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Oh, people extreme like him.

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And they lied about what he really stood for.

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He can't win.

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And so they create this self-fulfilling prophecy of, oh, you can't vote for that candidate

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because they can't win.

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And now the Republicans are creating the hoax with the Democrats that all these different

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real Tea Party candidates who actually, you know, are against the out of control spending,

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the banker bailouts and the rest of it, that that that they're bad and that they can't

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win.

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And you need to go for establishment Republicans, the same Republicans that are for.

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Banker bailouts, the same Republicans that under Bush four separate times tried to pass

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amnesty, the same Republicans like Newt Gingrich, who want global carbon taxes and want world

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government.

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And the hoax intensifies.

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I have the transcript here.

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We're not going to play the entire clip, but it's up on info wars dot com and prison planet

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dot com in an article that Paul Watson's written anti establishment fervor, a hammer blow to

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the Washington elite.

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But here's a transcript from Fox News from last night.

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Karl Rove questions Christine O'Donnell's serious character problems.

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And then I have the quotes here.

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They're saying because it took 20 years for her to pay off her student loans, that that

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is deceptive.

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Again, the serious questions about how does she make her living?

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Why did she mislead voters about her college education?

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How come it took nearly two decades to pay her college bills?

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I've seen numbers of upwards of half of many college students now not paying their loans

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because they can't cancel them.

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Right.

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Yeah, that would make sense.

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Yeah, you're on top of it, Alex.

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You should absolutely cancel student loan debt.

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I think that's Alex's position.

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So first of all, fuck Karl Rove.

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Yeah.

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That being said, Rove was just protecting his brand there and everybody's brand.

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It's not really anything more interesting than seeing conventional Democrats be resistant

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to embrace AOC in the present.

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There's just that tension.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Someone like O'Donnell in particular and the aesthetics of the Tea Party in general were

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a vast departure from the type of politics that Rove excelled at for decades.

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So that obviously would represent a threat to his position in the market, either as a

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strategist or a commentator on Fox News.

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Yeah, let's keep the depths of our evil quieter, guys.

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That was Karl Rove's philosophy, I believe.

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In the end, though, Rove was probably right.

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Christine O'Donnell was unelectable.

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She finished third in the GOP primary in 2006 after making some pretty offensive comments

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about the LGBTQ community and lost the 2008 general election to Joe Biden, who was simultaneously

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running for vice president.

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She would follow this up by losing the 2010 general election after it came out that she

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had, quote, dabbled in witchcraft in high school.

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And then, more to the problem, released this ad.

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I'm not a witch.

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I'm nothing you've heard.

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I'm you.

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None of us are perfect, but none of us can be happy with what we see all around us.

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Politicians who think spending, trading favors, and backroom deals are the ways to stay in

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office.

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I'll go to Washington and do what you do.

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I'm Christine O'Donnell, and I approve this message.

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I'm you.

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I was really hoping she'd say I'm not a witch.

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I wanted her to say I'm not a witch at the end.

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Just to reiterate.

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As a reminder?

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I'm not a witch.

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Just to double down on that?

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Not a witch here.

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Obviously, I don't care if someone messed around with some witch shit.

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Some of the coolest people I know have spent some time in that water.

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I don't care, but man, Republican voters sure do.

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It's one thing to have dabbled in witchcraft in your past when you're trying to run for

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office, but it's another thing to cut an ad that starts by saying I'm not a witch.

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That's so goofy and embarrassing from a political strategy perspective that anyone who would

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do that is someone you shouldn't trust to make good decisions.

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It's either an indication of them having bad instincts or being surrounded by people who

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have bad instincts, and neither is a good option.

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This 2010 midterm and the Tea Party candidates that came into office with it were a warning

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of the future we were heading toward.

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It's not surprising to look back at 2010 and see Alex supporting someone like Christine

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O'Donnell and then flash forward to today to see him backing Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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Yeah.

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This is what he does.

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Yep.

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The issues about O'Donnell's college history and loans probably sound like petty issues,

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but the point Karl Rove was making was more that the way that O'Donnell was addressing

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these questions about her history didn't come off as convincing.

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For instance, as early as 2006, she claimed to be a graduate of Fairleigh Dickinson University,

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but actually didn't complete her degree until September 2010.

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The reason for the delay had first been claimed to be a student loan-related issue, like a

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delay because of that, but then the story became that she had to finish an outstanding

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elective course before she could get her degree.

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Rove was expressing on Fox News that if she was going to win, she would have to be more

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forthright.

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And she said exactly that, quote, she can't get away with simply saying my answer is on

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my website or it's puzzling to me why the IRS would file a lien for me when I didn't

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pay my taxes in 2005.

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I mean, she's got to be more honest than that.

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If she does, she's got a shot to win, but it's got to be passionate and factual and

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hard hitting.

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Yeah.

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You know, and I think the very, see, you should have somebody like me if you're going to cut

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a political ad because if you open with I'm not a witch, the reasonable person's response

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is that's just what a witch would say.

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Right.

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I know witches aren't real, but my first thought when she said I'm not a witch is like, oh,

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that's a witch talking right there.

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That's a witch.

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I haven't seen a witch before.

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And I think anybody with like just a little bit of political instincts or any awareness

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of how the media cycle works is like, you're going to get piled on for that.

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Yeah.

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Leave it alone.

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Don't say I'm not a witch.

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Don't worry about it.

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So easy to ignore.

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Cut an ad about how compassionate you are and how you care about the needs of the people

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of Delaware.

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Don't open.

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Don't get ahead of the witch story.

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I got to get out in front of this witch thing.

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If I don't do this, they'll think I'm a witch.

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People think I'm still a witch.

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I think that's, what's really funny about that is Christine O'Donnell's name immediately

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popped up.

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There was a space in my brain for it, but I wasn't 100% sure.

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And then you said witch and I was like, oh yeah, I remember that.

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I remember that witch doesn't really actually know all that much about her, but he's decided

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to defend her just because he likes, who doesn't seem to like her.

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Now.

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I don't know this lady from the side of a barn, but the fact that the attacking her,

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the fact that the system is demonizing her, the fact that they have the Republicans and

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Democrats coming out against her, I mean, that tells you all you need to know.

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So yeah, Alex is just like defiant basically, but you know what's funny is like, why isn't

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Alex talking about how she's a witch?

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He seems to hate witches.

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He hates witches.

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It's because that clip doesn't come out until two days after this episode.

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Oh boy.

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Not the clip that we played, but the information about her babbling about her being a witch.

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Bill Maher plays that two days later.

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Jesus.

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It sets off the witch news cycle.

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That's so funny.

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Yeah.

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So Alex gets around to playing the clip of Rove talking on Fox news.

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And I think this is really interesting because Alex sets it up pretty poorly.

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And so let's go ahead and play a short clip of Karl Rove, you know, really demonizing

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this poor lady and just repeating that talking point over and over again that she has serious

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character problems and then when you actually go find out what those character problems

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are, he just uses that term when you actually find out what they are.

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It took her 20 years to pay off her student loans and she had an $11,000 lien on her from

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the IRS.

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No due process.

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They just slapped it on her.

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Here it is.

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You know what?

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If you vote for cap and tax and you have an opponent that says they wouldn't, then they

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have a choice.

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They have an option.

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So I think it was, it was very substantive, very based on issues, very based on the voting

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record of one and the promise voting record of another.

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You know, again, you're making my case.

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This was about Mike Castle's bad votes.

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It does conservatives little good to support candidates who at the end of the day, while

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they may be conservative in their public statements, do not events, the characteristics of rectitude

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and truthfulness and sincerity and character that the voters are looking for.

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She doesn't show rectitude.

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This was a guy up there high and mighty saying, I tell you who has rectitude.

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I tell you who is morally good.

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I tell you, you know, who you could vote for and who you can't.

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I'm the grand Puba.

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I'm the high priest.

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I'm going to tell you Republicans what you can and can't do your need to stay on the

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Karl Rove reservation because I am morally of high rectitude.

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This is the guy lying about WMDs.

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So what you have is Alex introduces this clip in a way that the clip doesn't actually reflect

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what he's saying.

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And Karl Rove is actually making a fair point in terms of the context of this conversation.

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That is there's some kind of non forthrightness that's going on and that is not great.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so in order for Alex to deal with the clip that's played, he attacks the messenger.

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He's just, and look, fuck Karl Rove.

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I don't care.

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But saying fuck him and saying he lied about weapons of mass destruction doesn't deal with

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the issue that he brings up.

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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That just point.

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Oh, Oh my God.

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You're all liars.

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What a shock.

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If I were a snarky debate kid online, I would say that is a, uh, Ooh, this is a person of

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the tech.

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This is not.

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We don't even bother.

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And I have scored a point or whatever.

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But that's, that's what you can do whenever, I mean it, the audience enjoys it.

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I think you even kind of enjoy it.

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Enjoy what?

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Just piling on Karl Rove.

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Oh, fuck that guy.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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I don't know.

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I don't have any skin in that game.

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I just, I just like to see, uh, any, any shit piled on Karl Rove is a good day for me.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, we see Alex doing something we saw recently on a, on another, I believe

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time travel episode that we did, we saw him pretending to discover the strategy of Google

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bombing.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so he's going to start a Google bomb.

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Okay.

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Of course.

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So we're going to have a new search term today.

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We haven't done this in a week or so.

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We're gonna have a new search term.

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We're going to make number one today.

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This is the first search search term we've done.

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Every time it's become number one, Google search the term Gates, death panels, Gates,

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death panels with an S Gates, death panels.

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Just search those three words in Google, in Yahoo, in every major search engine, do it

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over and over again and send the story out to everyone and click on the story and it's

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already the number one link.

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If you type in Bill Gates, death panels on Google news, it's our story is already number

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one.

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This is Paul Watson's article from yesterday.

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And so, uh, we're going to push this out as the number one search term and then hundreds

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of newspapers and blogs as you've seen, we'll then go click on our story to find out what

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it's about.

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They'll research it.

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They'll write about it.

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It'll cause another chain reaction.

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So Bill Gates is who we're going after today.

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And for the next 11 years.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Oh boy.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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It's interesting to think about like the 11 years intermediate, the like different

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careers.

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Alex and Bill Gates have had.

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Yeah.

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They've gone on separate paths.

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Yeah.

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There was, there was a moment where they could have come together, you know, things really

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diverged.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's one of those, uh, uh, I took the path less trod, you know, that kind of

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thing.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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So Alex takes calls.

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Um, and a lot of it ends up being about vaccines.

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Sure.

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And a caller, right?

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Of course it is because you're a witch, Dan.

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So this caller is, uh, his kid is, uh, scheduled to be vaccinated.

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Sure.

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And Alex has a, has a way to, is a, he has a bad metaphor.

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That's kind of what I was thinking.

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I just wanted to, to thank you for what you do.

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Uh, you're my hero.

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Uh, first of all, I just want to say that I'm really nervous.

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I apologize.

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Um, I have a two month old son.

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Uh, he's our, our first child and he's about to get his shots.

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Uh, he's scheduled to get in this week, uh, for the vaccines and stuff like that.

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Um, and I really,

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You know, that's kind of like Jews were scheduled to get on trains and go to Dachau and Auschwitz.

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And he's like, Oh, it's your scheduling.

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It's your time to ride the carousel and Logan's run.

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Um, uh, I mean, just cause they say it's scheduled.

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I mean, did they take his blood at birth for the Pentagon database?

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Uh, I think so.

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I'm not real sure.

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I mean, if he was born in a hospital, they did, but I mean, so,

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Oh boy.

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Yeah.

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So that's the tone that he's coming at this caller with.

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The caller's just saying that, uh, the child is scheduled to have some vaccinations.

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He's like, Oh, like, uh, like Jewish people in the world war II going on trains.

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They were scheduled.

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You know, I really like not having measles.

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Uh, and I, I think I re my childhood was better from not having measles.

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What about all the polio you had?

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I, I, it felt great to not have polio.

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And of course you died of the whooping cough.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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It was a struggle.

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That was tough.

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We did make it through that as a, as a unit.

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Uh, I think that's great.

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But 17 of your siblings died of tetanus.

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Doesn't it seem like that should be an easier sell?

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Yeah.

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Like, Hey, you know how we don't have polio?

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That's because of the vaccines.

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So just think Alex thinks it's cause of hand washing or something.

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That really bothers me.

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It really bothers me because of fucking witches and people being good for a while or whatever.

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It's more or less about witches.

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Bums me out.

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Yep.

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So, uh, but it's important to see the, the way this tone works.

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So he starts out the call and the guy just says that his kid is scheduled and Alex immediately

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compares it to trains and the Holocaust, then he, he, he tries to sort of play reasonable

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a little bit, but going back to vaccines, uh, to decision you have to make, uh, the

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Japanese, it's gotta be more than a decade ago, made a rule, no vaccination until age

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two, because they found completely that this stuff causes neurological problems, autoimmune

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problems, but it's much worse when a little bitty baby has all these shots going in them.

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By the time they grow up and get bigger and get some cognitive development, it won't stunt

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them as much.

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So now Alex is trying to play that, Hey, everybody's got to make their own decision and then immediately

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jumps to this story about Japan, which is a complete lie.

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Yeah.

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In 1994, Japan amended a law that they had, uh, they had a law that made vaccines mandatory

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and they amended this making instead quote, it was more of a civic duty than a strict

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legal obligation.

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According to the AFP, uh, the world health organization stats from 2018 reflect a vaccination

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rate of 99% for tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis in one year old Japanese children and 97%

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for the same age group with the polio vaccine.

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Alex is just making shit up to demonize vaccination, but it's important to pay attention to that

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way that he's trying to frame things.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's the, the, the caller brings this up, he compares it to the Holocaust.

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Hey, everybody's got to make their own decision, but also here's a lie about Japanese people.

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Okay.

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So if 99%, 97% of Japanese babies, then we can look back and see if his numbers make

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sense 25 years later or whatever it is.

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And uh, they don't.

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So can't we be done then?

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Well, we can't because Alex is now- But I want to be done with anti-vax.

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No, because Alex has said that everybody needs to make up their own mind.

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Oh, but what if we have the proof of concept from Japan?

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Everybody's got to, well, look, everybody's got to make up their own mind with the caller.

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And so this caller is still on the line.

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This is fucked up.

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This is not what you do when you want someone to make up their own mind.

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Does that answer your question?

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Yeah.

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I really, really appreciate that.

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I appreciate your time.

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Uh, I guess I'm just not going to do it.

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I mean, I mean, um, but when it becomes old enough to go to school, I mean, would that,

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would that be a problem?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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They are criminals.

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They are hardcore criminals.

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Again, they lie to you and say, it's the law.

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He must take the shots.

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They lied to you and said, there wasn't mercury until we forced it out in the open.

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And now they say, okay, mercury is there.

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It's good for you.

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Then they're going to lie when he goes in school and say, it's the law.

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Your child can't be in the school without shots.

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And you say, I know you've got the waiver.

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It's not even a law, but it's a waiver to a non-law.

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I know you've got a waiver that I'm supposed to fill out.

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So they make a list of you, but courts have even shown you can eat and not even do that.

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And then they'll lie to you again, cause they're getting money.

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When they hit your kid with a weapon from the feds, that that's tied to the federal

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money they're given.

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Uh, they have quotas.

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They've got to get 97% or more vaccinated.

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They don't get their money.

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Then then the school nurse or the principal is going to lie and say, there's no such thing.

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And then you can already have Googled your state.

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You're calling from Tennessee, Tennessee vaccine waiver, conscientious objector, religious

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objector.

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So really principal or assistant principal, here's the waiver for Tennessee.

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You lied to me and see, you'll know you're there with a hardcore liar.

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Again, lying trash, an entire government and corporate system trained to lie.

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And these teachers take their kids and inject them with the mercury too.

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And they love the fact that in many schools, a third of the schools now special ed, and

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there's just giant warehouses of children wearing football helmets, literally because

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they bumped their heads on the walls and in wheelchairs and in diapers and they put taser,

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taser, uh, belts around them in the public schools.

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Now when they don't mind, they zap them and they love it.

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They just love all of it.

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And soon the whole school will be in the corner drooling.

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And by that point they can just start euthanizing everyone.

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They are just savagely chemically hurting us as bad as they can so they can submit,

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make us submit and then just come in and have the helicopters fly over and spray the nerve

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gas and kill everybody.

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They're just getting everybody ready for that.

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Okay.

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That's hardcore truth, buddy.

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Listen, those are criminals when they lie to you and, and, and, and try to force those

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vaccines.

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You understand that?

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Yeah, I do.

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Okay.

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I appreciate your call.

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I mean, it's hitting the game, ladies and gentlemen, everybody's got to make up their

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own mind.

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Everybody's got to make up your own mind.

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I mean, they're trying to murder you in your fucking bed.

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You coward.

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They're trying to kill you in their life.

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But everybody's got to make up their own mind about, look, everybody's got their own choice

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to make between getting murdered in their own bed and being a heroic patriot who gives

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me money.

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It's a simple choice.

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Yeah.

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Joe Rogan's on this episode of this show.

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Maybe we should never have expected all that much from him.

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That would have made sense.

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That would have made sense.

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We get another caller and this is, this is just for good clean fun.

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This is a little bit of parsley.

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Okay.

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This dude's asking about a JFK documentary if Alex has seen it.

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And then we find that Alex doesn't know a very important bit of trivia about JFK.

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Now he fancies himself kind of like a, you know, a guy who knows a lot about the conspiracy.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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He's a conspiracy guy.

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It's kind of rough that he doesn't know this bit of, it's kind of a big one, right?

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Incredible.

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Deep, deep.

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You should watch it.

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It's revealing.

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Even some of the attorneys that were defending, um, uh, the guy who took over JFK's position.

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Now I can't remember his name, uh, when he, when they assassinated him.

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Who is a, who is the next person, the vice president who took over, I can't remember

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his name now.

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Uh, well it was, uh, it was Robert Kennedy.

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What?

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Yeah.

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And well, of course he was the attorney general, um, who was JFK's vice president.

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Um, boy, I'm having a moment here.

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I should know that.

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Yeah, you should.

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Yeah.

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You should fucking know who LB goddamn Jay is.

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This is a big part of the conspiracy.

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He's the reason.

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Oh my God.

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He's LBJ is probably one of the biggest reasons that Alex hates the left anyways because of

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LBJ that we got the civil rights act through there.

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So I mean, not because of him, he fought tooth and nail for a long time, but it was a part

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of the history.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's weird.

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Alex does eventually remember LBJ and then he tries to pretend that he just couldn't

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come up with Humphrey who was LBJ's vice president.

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Wow.

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Wow, buddy.

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Wow, dude.

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That's brutal.

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I understand if you take like a little bit of a second, but like that's too long.

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Yeah.

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Especially for LBJ, who's kind of a big figure in American history.

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And a big figure in JFK assassination conspiracy theories.

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Totally.

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Totally.

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In fact, one of the many people suspected of JFK's murder.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Definitely.

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Yeah.

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Weird.

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So now we get to the point of the episode where we get the introduction of Joseph Rogan

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and Edward Bravo.

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Oh boy.

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It's interesting.

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They have a different vibe back then.

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Oh yeah?

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Yeah.

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Maybe not.

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Joe's definitely high.

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Wow.

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It's high as hell.

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That's nice.

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That's good to know.

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But this is really awkward.

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It's really, really awkward.

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Well, it's good having you here and it was good seeing you last night.

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There's so much to talk about.

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Obviously, Joe Rogan of NewsRadio, Fear Factor, The Man Show, the list goes on and on, UFC

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Ultimate Fighting Championship.

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You've been doing that pretty much since the start, haven't you?

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I started working for the UFC in 1997.

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I was the post-fight interviewer.

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So 13 years.

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Yeah.

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It's been a long time.

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In fact, I remember like in 99 talking to you and you're like, man, this UFC is going

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to be huge.

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And I never even heard of it.

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It's going to be bigger than the NFL.

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Yeah.

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Everybody was like, what are you talking about?

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You're crazy.

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Yeah.

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It's now look at it's giant.

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And it's in Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

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Right here.

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You know, when I was with Ventura last week, one of the guys from the company that does

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stuff for UFC was there and he was going to interview Brock Lesnar right after that when

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he was on the shoot with us.

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And so old Brock's back bigger than ever, huh?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That was great.

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It's not as electric as some of this present day stuff.

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And I think it's because Alex is sober.

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I think there is a markedly different chemistry.

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They might need something to grease the wheels on this.

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There might need to be some grease on these wheels.

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That's possible.

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Holy shit.

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This is not what I expected because it's chemistry.

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There's a chemical missing, if you will.

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Yeah.

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Ethanol.

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Yeah.

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Alex is sitting here with Eddie and Joe.

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All of the human elements are there for the record setting most listened to podcast ever

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in human history.

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Hundreds of millions of people have listened to it.

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And then the sequel that set the world on fire.

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On fire.

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And it is just trash.

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You gotta be drunk.

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So bad.

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You gotta be in Rogan's house and you gotta be a half of a fifth through.

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Yeah.

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I think there's some funny stuff to get into.

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And I think one really gigantic lie that Alex tells that I think is interesting.

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But this is a case of me getting hoisted on my own petard.

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I legitimately thought it would be fun.

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Yep.

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And it's kind of...

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It's kind of a dud.

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Well, no.

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It's not.

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It's a fine interview for the most part.

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Sure.

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Like, Rogan's high.

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Well, yeah.

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Like, Alex is talking about, like, oh, we were talking last night.

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You told me something really interesting.

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And it's clearly that Rogan was, like, trying to spitball.

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Maybe he was working on a joke or something.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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And Alex takes it as, like, a real point.

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Oh, no.

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Last night, you were really making a lot of points that I thought were right on.

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Let's get into the red button.

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The red button.

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You were talking about how if there's a red button, they're gonna hit it.

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Well, you know, what I was saying is that I believe that all human behavior is natural.

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Just like I believe that all animal behavior is natural.

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Bees make beehives and ants make anthills.

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These are all natural things.

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Humans are far more complex, but we don't think of ourselves as being natural, that

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we're moving in a natural direction.

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And I think that human beings and human society, especially with technology, I think we create

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technology and innovation.

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That's what we're here for.

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And it's very possible that what human beings are here for is to make some new reality,

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make some new technological innovation that's gonna change the world.

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And it could be a big bang machine.

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It could be a time machine.

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It could be just some incredible discovery, something that they're going to invent eventually.

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I mean, if they keep going with things like the Large Hadron Collider, they're not gonna

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stop there.

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They're gonna use whatever findings that they get from the Large Hadron Collider if it doesn't

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blow up the world.

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And they're gonna try the next thing.

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Well, what happens now?

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The goal is blow up the world.

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Well, I don't know what the goal is.

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I mean, that's just the joke.

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The joke is that we're here to make the big bang machine and that there's a reset button

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that gets pressed every 15 billion years and that these intelligent monkeys get to a point

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where they break down matter and try to figure out what is at the center of the universe.

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And they press that button and it restarts all over again.

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I mean, who knows?

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Just speculation.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Heavy, man.

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Heavy.

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It's some good shit, man.

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It's some good shit.

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I think Douglas Adams put it better that if the question and the answer were ever known

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then the universe would be destroyed and replaced by something weirder.

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It was a lot simpler and a lot more quick.

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But I mean, that kind of a thing is like, yeah, I could imagine getting high with someone

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like a lot of the people I knew in college and having almost identical conversations

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to that.

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Yeah, 100%.

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There's nothing wrong with that.

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That's fine.

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No.

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We've moved on to simulation theory now.

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It's the same basic thing.

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But that's a fine place for Joe to exist.

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Yeah.

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Because he's like, okay, he's the older brother who's into weed, but maybe you've only stolen

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a few beers at this point in your development down the opening your mind spectrum.

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And that can be useful in people's lives.

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That can open up your brain to new vistas.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's like Val Kilmer in Real Genius.

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It's just not that deep.

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And then it's also clearly, you can tell that Joe was talking about this as some kind of

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like an idea that has the structure of a Rogan bit.

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It has the structure of something you could see him doing on stage.

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And Alex is like, yeah, man, you know, it is an interesting idea that humans are trying

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to make open.

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They're trying to kill us all.

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That's just how we're supposed to do it.

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It's again, not being able to parse out the like reality and sort of.

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Yeah.

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You can't have jokes if you don't realize the transgression over reality.

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That's why his humor is so terrible.

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So Alex now gets to trying to plug some Eddie Bravo's jujitsu business.

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Guys, both of you, fire out your websites.

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Joe Rogan dot net, 10th Planet JJ dot com, 10th Planet JJ jujitsu dot com.

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Man, I see your 10th Planet shirts and stuff everywhere.

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I mean, I'm really I'm all over the country.

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I'll see people wearing 10th Planet stuff or talking really incredible.

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Well, how many how many gems do you have?

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Twenty five, I think, you know, something like that.

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Well, aren't you one of the best known jujitsu teachers?

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He won't toot his own horn, so I'll say yes.

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He's one of the most innovative and important jujitsu instructors in the country.

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Sounds like B.S. because he's my best friend, but it really is true.

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He's one of the most important.

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He's just smokes a lot of weed and comes up with crazy jujitsu moves.

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And it turns out they work.

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And I'm I'm also known as a conspiracy theorist freak.

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So that's right. He and he's more of a conspiracy theorist freak than me.

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Eddie sounds like kind of fun.

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Yeah, I'm a freak.

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I'm a conspiracy freak, man.

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That's what I'm here.

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But he also has to introduce that, like to the proceeding as just the energy is off.

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Yeah, it seems like Eddie or Alex should have just been like, let's do some conspiracy theories.

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That's what we're here for. Well, Eddie tries.

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Yeah, Eddie tries to push in that direction.

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That's right. But Alex can't because Eddie is a no one to him,

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whereas he's got to talk to Joe, the the big star or whatever.

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It's less that. And I think it's more that like he's not fucked up and he doesn't want to.

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That's fair. I just think it's that he's not fucked up.

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It might get too weird.

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Yeah. Although I just looked it up.

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It turns out that Rogan's podcast has started by this point.

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OK. Started in December 2009.

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So he's almost a year in the Rogan experience at this point.

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Yeah. So Alex is they get to talking about Eddie wants to know about the troops

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and the like drug trade with opium in Afghanistan.

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All right. OK, OK, OK.

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One of his one of his like is like, how do they make money on that?

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How do they make money selling drugs?

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Sure. How does the actual process work?

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OK, OK, OK.

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And we never do get an answer on it.

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Well, naturally.

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But this next clip, I think, is fascinating because it is the behavior that you see on the Joe Rogan experience

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whenever Alex is a guest being, you know, carried out by Joe 11 years prior.

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It's flowing out and the U.S. troops protect the opium.

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They put this on the news because if they don't, Al Qaeda will get the money.

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And no, no, no, I'm serious.

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I mean, I played a clip of Fox News or all those things, how patriotic it is to grow opium.

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But you think I'm joking?

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Come on, guys, cue it up.

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Oh, let's see this.

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You're only here for an hour because you've got to go see it at the way ends at two thirty.

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Yes, but I have to see that.

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So he calls him on it.

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Yeah, he calls Alex on this.

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Show me this video then.

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So they start playing the clip.

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But Joe and Eddie don't have headphones.

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Alex, but how does how do the Americans get paid for the opium is what I'm saying?

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How does that work?

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It gets the OK.

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Nineteen ninety nine.

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Rivera. Yep.

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Can we hear him?

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Yeah, you guys would have to have headphones on.

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Look, I just played it yesterday during the break.

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I'll play it for you.

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How's that sound?

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Sounds OK.

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And listeners have seen it.

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Exactly.

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Word for word.

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Well, there's a shill.

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Is your show.

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I don't know.

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He was the guy who introduced the he was the one who had the Zapruder film first on television.

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The word is he knows all about this stuff.

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But yeah, at Fox News, he didn't really get into it.

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What did he say?

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He goes, I'm out here with the colonel and they're out here helping them grow the opium

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and the colonel's like, that's right.

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We're going the seeds and the fertilizer.

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What?

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Here's the actual clip that Alex is talking about.

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That is the principal crop that is being grown here.

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The Taliban lend the farmers the money.

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They are indebted to the Taliban.

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They have to grow the opium.

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Now the Marines in their success are, in a sense, a victim of their success, because

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now the population is you know, they have these opium fields and we are tolerating it.

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We are tolerating the cultivation of the opium because we know that if we were to destroy

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it now, the population would turn against the Marines and it would be a real security

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risk.

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Let me introduce Lieutenant Colonel Brian Christmas.

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He's the commanding officer of the 3rd Battalion, 6 Marines.

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Really a wonderful group of Marines here.

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I know that you care deeply about this this contradiction, the fact that here you have

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one of the best fighting forces in the world ever mounted.

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And in a sense, you're watching as this opium is being grown.

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I know it grinds at your gut.

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How do you deal with it?

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What are you doing about it?

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Well, frankly, this is a part of the culture.

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So while it might grind in my gut, it's what they do.

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We provide them security, we're providing them resources, and we're providing them alternatives.

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The alternatives are different crops to grow.

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They're getting the seed and the fertilizer to do it.

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So when Alex says the guy is talking about giving them seed and fertilizer, he's talking

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about alternative crops that they can grow instead of poppy, but that just taking all

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of their poppy or destroying the fields wouldn't be productive to the mission that he's trying

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to undertake.

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So Alex goes to commercial and he shows Joe this clip.

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Presumably Joe's seen it, and he's either too dumb or Alex showed him a completely edited

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version of it.

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Well, that is a fascinating piece of video footage with Geraldo Rivera in the poppy for

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with the soldiers talking about the poppy fields and how they're protecting them and

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providing them fertilizer and helping them grow it.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's incredible.

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It's outrageous.

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If you go and actually watch this, like the context of it is really clear.

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So you think that, you know, we were at the market and everywhere we go, they're selling

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these little devices.

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Take a shot of this, Greg.

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They're hand-carved.

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These are the little devices they use to scrape the opium sap off the plant.

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And I watched as you bought every one that was for sale because you care so deeply.

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Why'd you do that?

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I want them off the street.

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The idea is that we don't want to harvest the poppy.

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We want to, you know, hopefully turn the poppy over and put some wheat, cotton, watermelon,

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cucumber.

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It's all great stuff they grow out here.

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We just want to see that come to fruition and the poppy just to go away.

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It's completely counter to the context that Alex is describing it in, and it's also counter

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to the context that Joe has been convinced of.

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We want to see the poppy go away is a very hard sentence to avoid when your argument

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is, they're helping them grow it to kill Americans.

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And when Alex says specifically they're giving them the seed and the fertilizer, and when

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you look at that clip, it's specifically seed and fertilizer in the context of other crops

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they can grow instead.

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So this behavior is so consistent throughout Joe Rogan's career with Alex that I just don't,

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I can't believe that it's not, I don't know what to think about it.

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He can't stop himself from being like, yeah, he's too credulous towards a guy who has been

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lying to him since they met.

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Yeah.

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And it's wild.

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It doesn't feel like it's believable.

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No it's not.

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It's not believable.

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It's hard to, it's, I can't square the idea that he is not in on it in some fashion.

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Yes.

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It's not unfathomable.

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You can't not be at least a little bit in on it.

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This level of being duped, but like it's pathological.

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Like it would have to show up in all of his other relationships too.

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Totally.

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Totally.

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No, no, no.

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Everybody has to either be taking advantage of him or he's in on it in some way.

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But honestly, I don't think that that's too unbelievable.

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No, that's not.

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I mean, look at the people he's had on his show in the past.

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You have that Dave Seaman guy who's a big Pizzagate dude.

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You had Dave Rubin was on a bunch, Steven Crowder.

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Did the Molyneux on there one time?

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Molyneux?

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Couple times.

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Couple times.

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I think a couple times.

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It's brutal.

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Yeah.

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And so I think that there is a decent chance that maybe he is pathologically gullible.

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He's just too gullible.

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But then you'd think it would show up in his relationships with people like the closer

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folks.

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Like Anari Shafir.

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Sure.

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Or Tom Segura.

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Or Bert Kreischer.

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Yeah, but I mean that's why comics hang around with other comics.

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We don't know what you normal people are doing.

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We don't know what's going on with you guys.

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You could say anything.

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We're just trying to write bits, man.

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I'm just trying to write bits.

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I guess you've got to kind of take comedians out of the entire conversation because that's

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a whole other world.

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Because we're just a different, yeah, it's just weird.

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Yeah I find it difficult to believe that that's true though because it would be something

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that I think he would need to get therapy with or like he couldn't have made it to the

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point he's at now if he falls for this kind of shit on a regular basis.

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Oh and because I also don't understand what is so special about Alex that requires him

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to make excuses for decades.

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I don't know, it does seem like he has like a weird appeal to authority like hack in him

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where if you just say something so confidently and you have like a group of people who tell

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Joe that you're actually a very smart person and then you just say something confidently,

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Joe's like, wow, a lot of people have to believe this so it must be true.

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Because Dan Hope thinks he's cool.

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Yeah exactly, like it does seem like there's that just, oh okay, well I heard this was

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cool and this guy is, I'm told this guy is super smart so I have to at least engage with

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it and then it's too easy to...

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It's just remarkable to me to see the exact same dynamic though that happened in these

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present day podcast appearances being done to Rogan in 2010.

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This lying about the context of something, Joe calls him on it and then there's evidence

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proffered but whether the evidence that's given is selectively edited to the point where

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it only shows what Alex wants him to see or he sees it and accepts Alex's framing of it

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despite the clear context that's to the contrary, whatever it is, he's not equipped to deal

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with the sort of people he's associating with clearly.

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And now of course it's got to be 10 million times as hard because if you confront that

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reality now then you have to be like, okay, well for the past 30 years this guy I have

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thought was my friend has been a complete piece of shit liar to me.

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Yeah it's almost like, you know, you get that Nigerian prince email.

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Yeah and you're like, man, you know, I just...

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You respond and then you give him $1,000 and then he wants five.

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I don't want to be the stupid guy, I'm not going to be the stupid guy who doesn't, yeah.

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It's almost like Joe's pot committed on not calling out Alex at this point.

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It does seem like it, yeah.

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Anyway.

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Oh boy, sorry Joe.

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Did you ever, I don't know if this is a sort of experience that I had or if it's more universal

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but we had a bunch of National Geographics in the house.

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Tons of magazines in National Geographic because they're educational, they're glossy.

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So as a kid I would read tons of things about forests and various animals.

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I would have liked that.

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I barely got dinosaurs and National Geographic was too believed in evolution for my household

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at the time.

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Well did you know that Nat Geo is putting out a lot of cover-ups?

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I did not know that Nat Geo is covering, okay, okay.

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Putting out a lot of cover-ups on the chemtrail issue.

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I'm here for it.

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You know what it is?

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Nat Geo puts out these, something with Nat Geo is connected with the government because

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you watch anything...

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No, no, no, National Geographic, you've all heard about how record numbers of missionaries

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turn out to be CIA.

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Really?

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Yeah, and record numbers of Peace Corps.

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What?

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Record to what?

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Compared to what?

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No, National Geographic is a eugenics organization and they are one of the highest level CIA

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fronts.

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Really?

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I'm just going to say that a lot of people will say this is Malarkey, a very good friend

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of mine.

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His father is in the CIA.

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Cool.

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Okay, my buddy's dad is in the CIA, so obviously Nat Geo is a fucking record, record compared

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to what?

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Sure, it's meaningless.

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But it's never substantiated how National Geographic is a eugenics front and a high-level

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CIA operation.

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Sure, of the highest level.

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Just throwing that out there, and then, well, you guys are going to say this is Malarkey.

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But my buddy's dad is in the CIA, enough said.

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Joe Biden stole Malarkey from Rogan.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's what he gave him $100 million for.

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That's true.

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So, there's some conspiracies that, you know, Eddie Bravo doesn't seem to be on the earth

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is flat tip.

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At least not yet.

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Right.

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Right.

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And that actually comes to a point I want to make.

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And that is that...

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The earth is flat.

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We've been trying to get to this for a while.

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Yes.

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Okay, I've been waiting for it.

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Finally.

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I knew it was going to come sooner or later.

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No.

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I've been waiting for it.

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I've been waiting for it for years.

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I was interested to see if you'd go back and you'd see the same conspiracies that he's

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into in the present being floated in 2010.

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Sure, yeah.

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Because if the earth is flat now, it was no less flat then.

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And it's not like these ideas weren't spiraling around in places on the internet.

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It's not like it's a recent phenomenon.

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Sure, sure.

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So, I was going back and I'm like, it's incredible there's not any flat earth stuff.

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And part of the reason is that that wasn't that popular in 2010.

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It wasn't a meme yet.

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On the internet.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And this is something that's important to understand about conspiracy theorists.

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They think that they're independent thinkers.

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Yeah.

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And they think that they're like, oh, really?

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Really digging into stuff.

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Red pill, man.

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They are the biggest fucking followers in the world.

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Easy.

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These things are popular and then they get into them and then nothing ever happens and

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something else will become popular.

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Yeah.

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Like the Sandy Hook truth or whenever that was popular.

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Totally.

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No, it's a fashionable, it's a fashion thing.

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Conspiracy theories are fashion.

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And some things are aesthetically important to retain along the way.

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Of course.

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Much like, I may not listen to the boss tones anymore but I'll still be a boss tones fan

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until I die.

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Sure.

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He's gonna be a 9-11 truther until he dies.

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Of course.

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But it's maybe not the most primary thing to talk about all the time.

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You can't spend your life listening to the boss tones.

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No.

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And you can't spend your life always talking about 9-11 conspiracies.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, you gotta move on.

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There's going to be a piece of each of our histories and I just, I found that fascinating

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that it was like, well, yeah, of course.

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Yeah.

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You're into what you're into at the time.

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Totally.

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And it turns out something that he's into at the time is that Hurricane Katrina might

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have been fake.

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Oh boy.

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What do you think about the conspiracy theories about a Katrina being a controlled hurricane?

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How the way it...

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Multiple top meteorologists said it had two eyes for a while, it just sat there, it didn't

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act like a normal hurricane, and I've had the father of weather weapons on who was flying

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into cyclones that are over 200 miles an hour in the 40s, Ben Livingston, and this is all

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declassified.

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This is like AP.

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And, well, we're going to break, but to make a long story short...

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We're going to break already?

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Yeah.

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In 1967, it's a regular radio clock.

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There's like long segments, short segments.

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In 1967, Stanford Research Institute and the Naval Weapons Laboratory certified they can

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create and control hurricanes as easy as, kiss my hand, we'll be right back.

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So it was a weather weapon hurricane?

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I suppose?

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We don't get back to this.

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Why would we?

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It was or it wasn't, and it is.

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So it was.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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What are the implications of that?

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Well, let's see.

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If Katrina was a controlled hurricane, sent by whom would be the first question.

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That is an important first question.

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We would assume the American government, I suppose, or a foreign power.

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Right.

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All right.

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So then the question would follow why, why specifically where it was attacked.

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So then you got to say that it's a race-based bioweapon, I would assume.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, another conspiracy that gets floated when they come back from break is that the

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movie Machete is meant to start a race war.

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Okay.

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So you believe that the movie Machete with Danny Trejo is by the government designed

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to fuel a race war?

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He's a superhero Mexican home Depot guy.

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Just beat that out.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I totally okay.

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But just, just, just, just, okay.

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We took care of that.

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Are we good?

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Did we take?

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Yeah, we did.

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Okay.

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I feel like it got out.

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No, it didn't.

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Okay.

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Stop guys.

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Come on.

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Sorry guys.

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Alex is not drunk.

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Did we just racial slur?

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I think so.

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I think we just racial slurred.

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I think so.

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Yes.

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It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Wow.

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Um, but Eddie Bravo does explain that he is a Mexican individual and so, right.

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Uh, but it's certainly not a, I mean, this is on the radio.

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Yeah.

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I wouldn't put that one out there.

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Yeah.

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I wouldn't put your business out like that.

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At the time.

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Apparently they had a little bit better a delay situation.

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It seems like whoever was on the button on the red button there, boom, I'm there.

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Oh boy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Big bang machine.

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They had actual adults working for him instead of hiring teens up the street.

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Yeah.

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So at this point now we have Alex sober trying to deal with doing a show that has FCC rules

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with two guys who are high and one of them is clearly a lunatic.

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Insane and unable to deal with the FCC.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So he has been shamed.

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Eddie has been shamed a little bit.

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Sure.

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And so he recedes into the background while Joe complains about the governor of Arizona.

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How hilarious is that dumb lady that's running Arizona that Jan, whatever the hell her name

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is?

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Who's the, who's the governor of Arizona?

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Well, well, yeah, that was a little Jan Brewer.

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Yeah.

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That lady is so dumb.

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Have you ever seen her on TV?

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Oh my God.

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When she was on the debate and she just paused, she didn't know what to say.

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She paused for like 10 solid seconds, said nothing.

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She makes up stuff about people getting their heads cut off over in Arizona that Mexicans

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are coming over here and cutting people's heads off.

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And then they're like, where are these bodies?

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Like, what are you talking about?

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Wow.

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It sounds like Alex present day.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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I don't think Joe should be allowed to call anybody dumb.

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No.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's tough to hear.

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Yeah, buddy.

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Um, but yeah, it's, it's interesting cause Alex then has to sort of rebut a little bit

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because he is also quite xenophobic.

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Yeah.

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He's trying to be, yeah, you're cutting in on my racism here, buddy.

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And the governor is a Republican.

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Right.

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And he's like, you know, there is the need to have sort of at least a little bit of a

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pushback.

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Yeah.

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Um, and then Eddie gets back in the mix.

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Sure.

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He tries again.

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Element of chaos.

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Let me, let me just say something.

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I'm not a big fan and Joe knows this.

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I hate super movie.

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Eddie Bravo.

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Come on man.

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We're on the radio.

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I'm sorry.

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I can't bring him with me anymore.

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This is ridiculous.

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He's not a professional.

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I hate superhero movies.

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I hate super, I'm a Mexican, El Machete wasn't the greatest plot ever.

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So he's trying to get back to Machete.

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Yeah.

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Is that what we were doing?

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Yeah.

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So he doesn't like superhero movies.

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Uh huh.

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Something got bleeped.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Now as Eddie goes on, I think he's making actually a fairly decent point.

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And that is, you know, when I, as somebody of Mexican descent, uh, heritage, I see Spider-Man.

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I can't identify with Spider-Man.

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Sure.

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I don't identify with Batman.

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Sure.

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This rich asshole with all his gadgets.

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Of course not.

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I don't, uh, I don't see myself in these, these heroes and for me maybe Machete is somebody

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that I can see as, and Alex is like, nah, nah, nah, he's not nice enough to white people.

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Oh boy.

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You know, as a Mexican, you can't relate to Spider-Man.

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That's a white nerd who, you know, and then, and then, uh, um, wait, as Mexican people,

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we have nothing.

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Now we have something, you know, Superman, a white guy from another galaxy.

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Now we have El Machete, you know, for me, I've felt like, why couldn't it be a Mexican

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scientist who, you know, who becomes the incredible Hulk or something.

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The Mexican superhero hacks up gringos.

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Pull up with an axe.

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That's ridiculous.

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Yeah.

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He's a Mexican long hair.

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Well, let me tell you something.

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Let me tell you something.

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The Mexicans I know that warned me about this film that run the production.

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They didn't like the stereotype of Mexicans as working at home Depot and wanting to kill

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gringos.

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I like that.

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Oh, well, this has been an insane interview, Eddie Bravo, you, you just really ruined the

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whole cause.

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Did we get another racial slur burped out?

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No, I don't think so.

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I think it was just awkward silence.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It makes a fine point.

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Yeah.

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For the most part.

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I mean, I think that's an acceptable point and I think Alex's point is essentially just,

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I don't know.

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Whoa.

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Whoa.

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Whoa.

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Whoa.

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We can't be having superheroes who aren't nice to white people.

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Let's calm it down.

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Oh, a superhero who doesn't like white people.

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Then what would be the point of superheroes?

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Yup.

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Oh boy.

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So we get a really big revelation on this episode.

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What's that?

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That Superman helped defeat the KKK's expansion efforts in his radio serials?

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No.

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Oh, okay.

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The mainstream media, the MSM failed to pick up on this, what could be the largest story

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of our times.

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Okay.

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And that is that Alex Jones knows how to mind control birds.

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I've even tried this with birds around my house and things.

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If I come out and even put in my mind the intent, like I'm going to kill that bird without

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even having a weapon, the bird flies off.

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But if you're just being out nice and friendly, you know, the birds just sit there, almost

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land on your hand.

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They're all, I've got all these tame swallows around my house.

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So it's almost like there's something telepathic they pick up on the intent.

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Someone is going to take this clip and use it and say, Alex Jones uses mind control on

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birds.

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They probably will.

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I have fulfilled the prophecy.

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Alex Jones uses mind control on birds.

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I just had to play it to the bed.

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You had to do it.

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You had to do it.

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You couldn't not do it.

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Yeah.

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It had to be done.

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I was a little bored.

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Yeah.

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At this point, like things are kind of starting to fall apart a little bit.

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Yeah.

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I can sense that.

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I think Eddie and Joe's patience and their high is like, kind of like, I want to have

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fun.

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It's abating.

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I want out of here.

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Alex isn't having fun.

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Whenever Eddie starts trying to talk in his, like just the normal way he socially communicates,

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he ends up saying things that he can't say on the radio.

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Yeah.

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It's like when you go visit your friend at work, you're not allowed to be like, oh, hey,

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we're at this hardware store.

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Let me drop some racial slurs.

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Yeah.

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You can't do it.

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Yeah.

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And so it's the last clips here.

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Is it possible?

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Is it, you would know, is it possible to create a bomb that makes everybody gay?

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Was that possible?

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Probably not.

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Okay.

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Probably not.

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Probably not.

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Oh boy.

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Probably not.

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And this is where like sort of questions are coming a little faster.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Can we make a gay bomb?

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Probably not.

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Yeah.

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Are you disappointed in Charlie Sheen?

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Are we doing lightning round?

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A little bit.

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Okay.

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When Charlie Sheen choked his wife, were you like, damn, you're messing up the cause.

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Like I had you on the program.

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You were looking good.

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Charlie Sheen calling for full disclosure on nine one one and then he's got to go and

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well, he needs a vaccine for that.

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Is that what it is?

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That would make me look, I'm not going to get into that whole story.

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I'm not going to get into that whole story, but all I wanted to know is does this ever

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wear on you?

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I mean, you're constantly dealing with negative stuff by the way.

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Charlie's a good guy.

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He is a good guy.

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Okay.

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Charlie's good guy, but also chokes his wife.

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Hey Joe, I'm going to go with one.

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It says a lot about you and Alex that your first thought of Alex's reaction was, how

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is Alex going to take this as personally hurting him as opposed to giving a shit about the

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fact that, uh, let me, let me actually clarify that even more.

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He's saying, how is this going to affect the cause that Alex is pretending to be so passionately

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fighting for?

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How is Charlie Sheen's personal transgressions going to hurt Alex's crusade against imaginary

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windmills?

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Now here's where things turned for me.

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I mean, I feel like that's super dark.

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That's that's a real dark clip that just happened right there.

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Oh, you know, Ooh, I have bad news.

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It's going to get more dark.

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Yeah.

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Oh, but that one was really dark.

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That's like, um, sort of violence trigger warning maybe for this next clip where Joe

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goes next, by the way, Charlie's a good guy.

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I use a good guy.

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I'm a fan.

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I'm a fan.

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Platoon was an awesome movie.

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I'm a fan of Charlie Sheen.

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Have you ever, some chicks need to be choked.

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How about that?

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Some of them get a little mouthy and you want to get out to them and know who's paying the

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rent here.

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All right.

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Freak.

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Is it illegal to choke a girl?

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Yes.

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I'm kidding.

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I don't choke anybody.

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I don't choke girls, especially unless they want it.

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And then it's free.

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Okay.

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That's enough.

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Yeesh.

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That's dark.

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Yeah.

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Significantly darker than I was expecting.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you know, I guess what you'd call it is the sort of like playful misogyny of

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2010.

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This, uh, yeah.

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Wow.

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I suppose you could, I, wow, it is, it is like, it's really, it, you know, when you

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go back and you watch a nineties movie, like when you rewatch trading places, I rewatch

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that and you're like, well, you could get away with a lot of shit there, but then you

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think it's 2010 and you couldn't get away with that.

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That's too recent.

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No, you could get away with that shit in 2010 for sure.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's wild.

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I, I, I, Jesus.

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It's not a joke.

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No, it's not.

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It's not a joke.

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He thinks it's a joke, but even if it, you know, even if it is a joke, it's not like,

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it's not a well-constructed joke.

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It's not, it's not a new thought.

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It's really just playing on the edge of sometimes domestic violence is warranted honeymooners

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level shit.

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That's what we're talking about here.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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In the 1950s, Jackie Gleason can be like, Oh, I'm going to hit you.

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Like, yeah, but no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Yeah.

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It's very, it's very strange.

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But one of the things that I think is even more strange is that Alex can sense the like

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responsibility he has as a host, which he has completely abdicated in present days.

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Gone.

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He's he has, he feels some responsibility to be like, come on, man, come on.

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That would be interesting to hear today.

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Would he just be like, yeah, no, right.

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Like who's that?

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Yes.

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He would have to.

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Right.

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Cause he had, he does not give a shit.

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No.

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God damn.

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Yeah.

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It is kind of interesting.

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He had some semblance in 2010 of something that was precluding him and stopping him from

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going into that.

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Maybe it's a possibility of like, the audience was more family audience at that time.

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Could be.

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Maybe there was more of a puritanical streak to the people who had listened to him on the

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radio and shortwave, which was the most of his audience as the internet and the supplement

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lines came in.

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Maybe he didn't have to keep such a pretend air of, uh, Hey, this kind of conversation

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doesn't fly here, gentlemen.

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I imagine getting kicked off of social media and stuff.

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Probably that was much later though.

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I think he'd given up some of that, uh, Oh, even back at like 2014.

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I bet he would let Joe Rogan riff a little bit more, even if it was getting into territories

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that was seemingly advocating for, even if it's facetiously advocating for, sometimes

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women deserve to be choked.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like it's, uh, yeah, it's weird.

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Yeah.

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This is a real misogynist episode for Joe.

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I wouldn't, if I were Joe, I wouldn't look back on this episode, calling Jan Brewer dumb

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and then, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The critique of the Arizona governor, if in a vacuum, could be seen as like things that

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this politician did were dumb.

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Sure.

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You could view them outside of like unnecessarily misogynistic stuff.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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It's tough to, when like, I just wish that conversation.

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To be clear, Jan Brewer, not a good governor.

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Yeah.

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I wish that that conversation wasn't there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We could not have that.

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I wish it was.

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Cause then it could just be like, Oh, isn't it funny Eddie thinks that Katrina was fake

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and he keeps saying slurs on air and he keeps getting bleeped.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, uh, this gets a little bit uncomfortable and uh, they, they, you know, they have to

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come towards the end here and uh, Joe has to be like, Alex, you're fun.

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You're fun to hang out with, man.

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Okay, sure.

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Saying that, you know, you're a, you're a fun guy to hang around with and people always

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say, man, you're friends with Alex Jones.

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Is that a bummer?

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And I'm like, no man, Alex Jones is a cool guy.

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We have a good time.

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Last night we went to Fogo to chow, we had some delicious meat.

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It was awesome.

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We had a great time.

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Then we went out to the comedy club and we went out to dinner afterwards.

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We had a great time.

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We hung out.

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I had a lot of laughs.

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There was no doom and gloom and you know, it was like, man, hanging out with Alex Jones

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must be a bummer.

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You know, the dude's always talking about the end of the world and vaccines robbing

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your soul.

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And no, you're, you're fun.

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I mean, he's been defensive about hanging out with Alex for over a decade.

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Yeah, man.

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You got to ask yourself why.

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Yeah.

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Why would that be?

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Yup.

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Yup.

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Why is it that people think, hey, that guy you keep vouching for bad news over the course

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of a decade, constantly having people be like, don't do that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that is though, that is such comedy.

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That is such like the way that it's worked for so long in comedy of just like, yeah,

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there's a little bit of permissiveness.

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It's totally like, oh yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I know, I've heard he's a fucking monster,

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but he's always been cool to me.

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I haven't seen that behavior.

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Exactly.

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So, so I totally, so that means he can't be a violent misogynist racist.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I wouldn't listen to his show to see what happened right before I came on.

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Oh, that'd be a terrible idea.

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No.

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That's office behavior.

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That's not fun.

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Yeah.

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Also, there's another funny thing.

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They're talking about Brock Lesnar and he had like diverticulitis and they were talking

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about how like it was because he just ate meat before.

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Sure.

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And that's not good.

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That's bad.

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And that's really funny to me because Joe would later have Jordan Peterson on his podcast

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advocating his all meat diet.

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Jesus.

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Jesus Christ.

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I hate these people.

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I hate these people so much.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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I mean it has to be, it could also be, I could see it being this where it's like Joe discounts

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anything that happens on the show.

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He's just like, yeah, Alex does his show and it's all bullshit.

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It's entertainment for, and nothing he says matters on the show.

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It only matters what he says whenever he's off air, when he's a person.

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Does it matter what he says on your show, Joe?

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Exactly.

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Because it's the same, a lot of it is the same.

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You would think.

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There's overlap.

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Yeah.

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And then just like, maybe it is, look, I get it.

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If Joe and Alex are super good friends and Joe knows for a fact that Alex is full of

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shit and is blah, blah, blah, blah, it's all made up shit, he's still a friend that is

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directly responsible for so much evil happening.

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Yeah, no.

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Even if you think he's faking it.

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Yeah.

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It's almost worse.

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It's not almost.

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It may be worse.

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It's worse.

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Yeah.

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I think you could have a debate on that.

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It's more malicious.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Emptier.

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Signing off on it, whether it's real or you know it's fake, is ethically both bad.

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No, it's not good at all.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There's no way out for Joe.

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There's no redemption for that whatsoever.

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No.

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It's just been over a decade of negligence on his part, not recognizing the cancerous

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and toxic influence of this guy that he just has fun at a steakhouse with.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's a pathetic lack of responsibility on his part.

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Yeah.

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It's interesting to me that we've seen it on Joe's show whenever we've talked about

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these present ones.

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Mm-hmm.

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I didn't think it went like that exact same behavior.

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It's the same things.

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It's annoying to me the way that you'll hear in these interviews in the present that's

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like, ah, we put on those Bush masks.

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Yeah.

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And they have that same story that they tell that sort of solidifies their friendship and

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their connection, and that's annoying.

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Yeah.

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But it's even more annoying to go back to the past in 2010 and see the inability to

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fact check claims Alex has made that you instinctually think aren't correct, and then at the same

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time be like, ah, you're fun, making excuses for misinformation and complete fraud based

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on like, we have fun.

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Yeah.

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And I think I find it viscerally fucked up to go back nearly, like a decade, and see

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no change, like no growth, and if anything, regression.

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Yes.

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I would say regression.

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That's fucked.

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Yeah.

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That really fucks with my head.

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Yeah.

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You know, because in my time period, I think we can go back through our show and see just

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pretty consistent like, there's growth, there's change, there's something.

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Yeah, there's some missteps here and there.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We fuck up, we grow, we move on, and we're, yeah, we do what we can, but to be stasis,

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to just be that, and then get worse.

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I see Joe kind of worse because I think he's gotten more entrenched in these positions

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of like, hey, Alex is a fun guy, why does everyone not want me to hang out with him?

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Totally.

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And if he's so consistently being lied to by Alex, Alex showing him either fraudulent

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or misrepresented proof of his claims, he's just gotten deeper and deeper in those holes.

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Yeah.

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I think Eddie seems more delightful at this point.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I agree.

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There's something about him that just is delightful and good-

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No, I get it.

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There's a nature about him that kind of, I enjoy it when he chimes in with like a, I'm

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a conspiracy freak.

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No, I get it.

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I get it.

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I appreciate John.

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I appreciate the problem.

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He has a self-awareness too of himself back then.

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Yeah.

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Like I'm a conspiracy freak.

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He introduces himself as such.

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He's a recognition that some of the things that he's saying are probably dumb.

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Yeah.

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He's articulating important things about representation and media.

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I don't know.

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It's just, it's weird.

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All of these people are doing worse now.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Eddie seems so, he's just a guy who's like, I know everybody's laughing at me and I've

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accepted that and I'm cool with it because I've still got me.

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I've still got my stuff and I'm respected in the field where I'm meant to be respected

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at.

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Yeah.

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And if you laugh at me whenever I say some stupid conspiracy theories, yeah, man, conspiracy

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theories are stupid.

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You should laugh.

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Then a couple of years later, my best friend has a hundred million dollars.

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A hundred million dollars.

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Hey, maybe I start taking this a little bit more seriously.

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Maybe too seriously.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh boy.

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Anyway, we have one last clip.

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Okay.

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About Y2K, which is an interesting, interesting, uh, Alex's question, uh, his answer, uh, is,

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uh, O'Donnell Ian in its non forthrightness.

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Okay.

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Alex, I got a question about the Y2K you were saying.

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I was listening to old tapes and you were saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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I did nine hours of radio on Y2K on the Genesis network.

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You notice that before a question was even asked, Alex goes into defensive mode.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And my best friend runs in on my wife and she says, they're on ABC news saying a missile

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was launched from Russia.

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Ooh.

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Now it's his wife's fault.

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Yeah.

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So I run back out there and ABC news is saying a missile has been fired for Russia.

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So I said, I don't know what it means, but a missile has been fired for Russia.

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Then they come back and say, Oh, it was just a scud.

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We have to have the Russians here at NORAD and it was like some kind of drill or something.

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And then I went on a guy named Michael Trudeau show that day and made jokes about it.

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So people took nine hours and edited nine hours.

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Part of it, me joking around, like Joe was saying earlier, like nuclear plants were blowing

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up.

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Yeah, no, it's not true.

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No, no.

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What they did is they just took pieces and I got to have an AP article saying, well,

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six plants are going offline.

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And then an hour later they'd say it wasn't true.

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They were doing that to create fear.

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Like, like I didn't believe in Y2K at first, then the, then the Pentagon said it was going

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to be real.

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Then I started believing it.

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And then right before they said, Oh, we never said that.

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It was a psyop.

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Oh, Ooh.

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What?

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Okay.

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What did you, I don't know.

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I feel like even those excuses are contradictory nonsense.

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Yeah.

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No, it was my wife who told me, but I didn't believe it.

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And so it's her fault.

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But also when the Pentagon said it, I was like, well, obviously it's true.

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I didn't believe that because it's their fault.

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I was the mainstream media did the thing and that's it.

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And that's their fault.

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None of this is my fault at all.

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I was on air for nine air, uh, nine hours and they've taken everything out of context.

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Totally.

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They've misrepresented.

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I've been smeared.

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I have been smeared, sir.

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Simultaneously.

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I was reporting on things that were a hundred percent accurate because the media was trying

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to create fear about Y2K reporting on these media stories that were designed to make fear,

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but then they retracted those stores.

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Wait, w w w which is it?

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It's both neither and everything all at once.

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Such horseshit.

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Yup.

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Anyway.

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What an asshole.

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Yup.

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Um, this is an interesting glimpse.

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Couldn't you just one time be like, Oh yeah, I fucked up on that one.

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It's not even, it wouldn't even have to be.

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No explanation.

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No.

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Just like, yeah, that one's on me.

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My bad.

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I think it's too embarrassing.

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It has to be.

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Yeah.

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Because I love the second episode.

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Yeah, that's true.

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And looking at the Y2K episode of his show.

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And I think, I think some of the stuff that he was doing was like, it's really too far.

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Yeah.

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He was saying that like bases were being set up at an Austin airport for people to be around.

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Everyone's out of gas.

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Yup.

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The gas stations are out of food.

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It went hard.

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Yeah.

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I remember.

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I think owning that is too hard to do.

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So you have to create a defensive straw man about like what actually happened and then

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people like Eddie will just give you a pass.

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Yeah, that's true.

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You gotta go to commercial anyway.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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That's fair.

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You hear the music.

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Yeah.

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Run out the clock on this answer and then Eddie will drop it.

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Yeah.

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Or we'll get to commercial and I'll be like, Eddie, that is not a fair question to ask

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me on air.

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Hey, don't ask me that question.

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Yeah.

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You know we're playing a game here.

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It's stupid.

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Yeah.

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And now you're making me feel bad.

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Stop it.

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Eddie, you're high and having fun.

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I am not.

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So we get to the end of this and I think this is an interesting glimpse back if only for

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this dynamic is so different and so similar.

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Yeah.

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It's similar in the ways that you hate and it's different in the ways that you miss.

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Yup.

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It's not fun in the way that these present day interviews are because Alex is fucked

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up.

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Right, right.

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Yeah.

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It's nonsensical.

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It's nonsensical.

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Yeah, Alex is more willing to like keep the ramble going, keep the riff going long enough

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to where he hangs himself with too much rope, like that kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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Whereas on this show he's trying to cut stuff off before he looks too stupid.

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He's trying to protect the business.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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So anyway, we'll be back to the present for our next episode or you know, probably.

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But until then, Jordan, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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We are also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at knowledgefight.com.

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Now go to Ben Jordan.

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Yeah.

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We're also on Facebook.

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We are on Facebook.

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And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people

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doing God's work right now.

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Yup.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX.

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Clark.

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I'm Daryl Rundis.

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I am not a witch.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.