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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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I have great respect for knowledgefight.

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Knowledgefight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.

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I am sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys saying

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we are the bad guys saying we are the bad guys.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about

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Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed, we are Dan.

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Jordan!

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Dan!

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Jordan!

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Quick question for you.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today, Jordan, was getting to join you on your debut stream of your video

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game channel over on Twitch.

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Indeed.

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You started playing Final Fantasy VII, it was a lot of fun to sit in and have very little

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to say.

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You are very offended when you do not have a sincere and large body of research from

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which to call upon.

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It's a challenge for me to care.

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Ah yes, there we go.

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And I, look, you know.

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I like you judging other people for caring.

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I'm not judging you, I'm happy for you and I fully support you in this and all your endeavors.

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I know.

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I just can't care about watching this stupid video game.

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I understand completely.

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I understand completely.

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I also don't like it being exposed that I probably didn't beat the game, though I thought

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I did.

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You came close enough.

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Oh god.

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But yeah, it's really fun.

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I'm happy for you and congratulate you on the launching of your side project there.

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Yeah!

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It was very enjoyable and everybody really had a good time and you were absolutely great.

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How dare you act like you were, oh I was so terrible.

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We had a grand old time.

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I wasn't saying I was so terrible, I said I was so bored.

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I will keep my mouth shut.

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Slight semantic difference.

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Retracted.

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Retracted, sir.

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How about you?

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My bright spot, Dan, is today my partner is getting her vaccine.

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That's great.

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Yeah!

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She's a teacher, she didn't even have to try and cheat her way in or lie to anybody.

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She's getting her vaccine at the right time and I'm really happy for her.

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That's fantastic.

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Congratulations.

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Yeah, I'm very stoked.

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I hope that the roll out continues and intensifies.

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In at least May or June I'll be able to get it.

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2022.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Once they get around to podcasters.

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Probably low on the list.

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Yeah, she'll gladly watch me slowly fade away, I think that'll be...

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Your partner is a teacher, like you said, so obviously there's much need for folks in

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that line, much less so podcasters.

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Very...

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So yeah, Jordan, I'm glad for that, and I wish you the best on your new exploration

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of Midgar.

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I'm gonna remember the name now.

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That's true, you will remember Midgar.

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So Jordan, today we got an interesting thing to talk about.

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Oh yeah?

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Interesting episode.

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What's that?

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We're gonna be talking about January 27th, 2021, Blackjack.

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Ah, shit, you're so good.

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So fast.

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We're on the 27th, this is Wednesday of this week, and the reason that we are sort of jumping

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ahead in time, our last episode was about the inauguration and Harrison Smith being

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a...

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Blatant bigot.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And the reason is, hey, I'm Alex Jones, I'm sitting around, I'm thinking, the devil just

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got into the White House.

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Sure.

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The Texas Supreme Court has just ruled that I can be sued by the Sandy Hook families.

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Problem.

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I'm gonna go on vacation, man.

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Smart move.

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Yeah.

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So Alex just leaves for Utah, which is a strange place to go, but whatever.

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I like that the only time, every time he threatens a vacation, he never takes it.

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The only time he does take a vacation is when his lawyers have clearly said, if you are

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on the air, you will say something that hurts our case.

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You need to chill.

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Yeah, you gotta go away.

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You gotta go to fucking Utah.

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You gotta be in Utah right now.

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Go see the Jazz, Rudy Gobert's having a great season.

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Yeah, I don't know what he's doing in Utah, it doesn't seem like, I mean, nothing against

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Utah, I've been there.

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It's a nice state.

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Yeah.

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I like the Southwest quite a bit.

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Eh, it's pretty.

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Yeah.

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So, I retract that.

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It is a good place to go on vacation.

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Yeah, it's a great place.

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Whatever.

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It just seems strange.

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Well, I mean, you know, too many places are dry, I suppose is the only argument I have.

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There's a dry Salt Lake.

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Oh, you mean too many places in Utah?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, yes, yes.

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Are alcohol-free.

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Oh, that too.

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Yes.

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A lot of dry counties.

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Yeah, a lot of dry counties.

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I thought you meant it's arid there.

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No.

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No, I did not mean that.

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So, yeah, Alex was out of studio and Owen Schroyer was hosting for a number of days

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and I just don't care.

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And so, I was considering maybe, like, let's check in and just do a Harrison Smith episode.

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Sure.

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But then, Wednesday, Alex hosted a good bit of his own show with Owen Schroyer riding

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shotgun in the studio and something happened that requires our attention.

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So we will be talking about that today and honestly, I think that there might be a sequel

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to this on Monday's episode of our show because this appears to be something that might...

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I am going to fight a bear on Friday this week.

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Take away the bear.

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We've got a charity boxing challenge?

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Take away...

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Yep, we do.

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We've got a charity boxing challenge.

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There will be a bear knuckle boxing match.

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Okay, there we go.

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Challenged.

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How do I just guess these things, Dan?

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I don't know.

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There will be a bear knuckle boxing match challenged and then retracted at the end of

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this episode.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Alright, spoiler alert.

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That's too soon.

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That's too soon.

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But there is a feeling that I have, I mean, we're recording this on Thursday and I have

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some awareness of what happened on his show today, but I think that this is a narrative

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that's continuing.

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There's something that's going to continue into Monday's show without giving too much

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away.

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Everybody who's listening already fucking knows what I'm talking about.

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Of course.

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So let's take a little moment before we get down to business, Jordan, to say thank you

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to some folks who signed up and are supporting the show.

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Oh, that's a great idea.

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So first, Dr. Bingo, like Van Gogh.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you.

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Dr. Bingo.

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Thank you very much, Dr. Bingo.

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Like Van Gogh.

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Next, Brunisinde.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you.

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Hey, thank you very much.

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Next, I love you.

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Thank you so much.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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I love you.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Chad Rice.

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Thank you.

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Next, Leeland.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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My favorite of the Stamper clan.

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Ooh.

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Yeah.

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Next, Davron from Sweden who loves your podcast.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much, Davron from Sweden.

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And then finally, thank you so much, Trump, the tiny hands of fate.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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That's a little Mystery Science Theater reference.

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Yes, yes, absolutely.

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To go along with your-

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Trump, the hands of fate.

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The tiny hands of fate.

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That's to go along as another plug for your Twitch channel.

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Great, great.

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Where you have a Mystery Science Theater cut out.

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I'm already embarrassed.

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That's the goal.

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Doing something is a terrible idea, Dan, that's the lesson.

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That's the goal.

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I'm trying to smother you with embarrassment.

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So Jordan, we started off today on the 27th.

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Like I said, this is all going to be on the 27th.

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Yes.

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And Alex opens up the show and he teases

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what will end up being the reason

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we need to do this episode.

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Gotcha.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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thank you for joining us on this January 27th,

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2021 Wednesday broadcast.

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Blackjack.

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I am your host, Alex Jones,

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and we are going to have the founder of the Boogaloo Boys

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joining us. Interesting.

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Coming up on the broadcast today.

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That is in the second hour.

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I appreciate Mr. Dunn coming on after I've said

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some critical things of his group.

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He says to set the record straight.

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So I look forward to that because who's going to know more

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about the Boogaloo's than the founder of the Boogaloo's.

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He is not the founder or the leader of the first thing that

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Mike Dunn does when he gets on the show is correct Alex

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about this.

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Alex is trying to present him as like the head of these,

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the Boogaloo's.

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And I wrote down founder of the Boogaloo boys and then put

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giant scare quotes around founder.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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This is something that's a little bit murky.

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I don't think this is a good idea for Alex.

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You'll see why.

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Cause he agrees with them on everything exactly like he did

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with David Duke.

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And this guy is a 20 year old who is really,

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I would say he is more consistent than Alex.

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Oh, that's not good.

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And that makes it really tough to argue when you're Alex.

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And that ends up becoming very embarrassing.

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I would say that we have not talked as much about the

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Boogaloo boys on this podcast because it doesn't intersect

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with Alex as much as one might think.

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Alex leaves them alone for the most part,

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except a couple of times he's tried to use them to scapegoat

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things that right wing militias have done.

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And the situation with the Capitol on the 6th,

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January 6th is so large and so important that it's led to a

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critical mass of throwing them under the bus and blaming

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them.

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So his beloved oath keepers and such don't come under

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attention.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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He wouldn't do too much to, I guess,

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point out the people who are basically he's running

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stochastic terrorism for, you know, like he's,

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he's the one who's both giving them that cover of like,

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these guys aren't part of what we believe in while at the

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same time, stoking their rage.

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So you don't want to be also like Boogaloo boys,

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let's pay attention to them.

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Sure. It would be unwise.

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And it's complicated for him too,

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because there is a lack of uniformity with a lot of the

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Boogaloo communities.

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Right.

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There is an embracing of Antifa sometimes even,

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and black lives matter, or at least a loose accelerationism

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being the goal, regardless of ideology behind it.

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Yes. Perhaps some would say a potentially performative

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collaboration and an acceptance of those left wing sort of

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groups.

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And that would be really difficult for Alex to explain to

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his audience.

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He's made such a sort of market off of globalist,

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devil bad, Alex, Patriot, God, good.

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Yeah. You know?

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And I don't think that he'd be able to have his audience

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understand the idea.

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They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They're going there because they want to antagonize.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But also that they're trying to bring some people in there.

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I know I've called them all demons,

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but they're trying to bring in the accelerationists who I

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guess are good now.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I've gotten some messages in the past from folks who,

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or into boogaloo stuff.

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And they implore me to understand that, you know,

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it's about guns and gun rights.

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Sure.

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And the feeling that I have that I come around on it is I'm

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not going to judge any individual based on their liking to

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wear Hawaiian shirts and protest for the second amendment.

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Sure.

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But I'm also not going to trust them.

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Yes.

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If they associate themselves with a group like this.

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And part of the reason for that is there have been enough

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instances in the past of people who associate with boogaloo,

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iconography, ideas, the movement,

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doing things that are meant to accelerationist protests.

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You know, make, who was that guy,

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that sergeant who shot a cop and then wrote

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a book and blood on his car.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He was talking prior to this about using left-wing protests,

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using the energy of it in their anger for their purposes.

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There's been enough instances of that.

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There's been all that discussion.

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And then let's just deal with the fact that boogaloo is a

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reference to electric boogaloo break into,

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which is like,

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it was a meme back in 2012 about a second civil war.

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Right.

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The whole organizing central thing is a joke,

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quote unquote joke about,

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all right, we're going to have to have a second civil war.

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Right.

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Boogaloo is from electric boogaloo,

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civil war to electric boogaloo.

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If you are someone who just cares about people's liberty and

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rights and second amendment,

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and you also like to be goofy and wear a Hawaiian shirt,

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I would implore you to not be associated with the group

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that's name is derived from a joke about how we need a

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second civil war.

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That would be wise.

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And has spawned a bunch of incredibly malevolent actors.

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There's nothing about this Hawaiian shirt that's intrinsic

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to the thing that they seem to want to push for.

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Yeah.

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There's nothing, it just, I don't know.

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It seems like a bridge too far.

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I just can't imagine being in 2021 and taking anybody at

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face value who says anything similar to that.

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It's 2021 guys.

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We don't take them at face value anymore.

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Maybe you're a good person.

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I know plenty of good people who are second amendment

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people, tons of them.

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But if I took any of them at face value,

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I would be an insane person.

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That's simply not a thing that we get to do anymore with

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second amendment people.

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I would bet that there are many individuals who consider

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themselves part of the oath keepers that are decent,

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family, caring, considerate people that aren't the type

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that would have a napalm bomb.

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Right. Right.

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But. Napalm bombs, still rare.

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True.

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That said, even if that individual I could see as possibly

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a decent person and I could probably get along with.

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Sure.

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I would not align myself with them politically.

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Right.

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Were I to know that they were associated

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with the oath keepers.

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Totally.

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Because that's a deal breaker.

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And I feel the same way largely about the Boogaloo stuff.

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Yeah.

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No, I just background check everybody I meet anymore now.

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Just go back through their Twitter feed.

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Just going back through the ah, ah, ah.

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Nah, nah, nah.

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You're not a face value second amendment guy.

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Ah, I caught ya.

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I don't believe anything.

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So Alex does not want a violent revolution.

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Sure.

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But he is against the Boogaloo folks, which makes sense.

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I mean, they kind of are gearing towards

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like the inevitability of a second.

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But it's kind of what Alex said.

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He's, he's makes no sense.

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Okay.

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Those of you out there that are like,

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oh, let's just have a violent revolution.

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You're always the ones that are asking somebody else to do it.

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You're always the ones asking somebody else to do it.

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You know, take the Boogaloos.

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They've said, and I'm gonna ask them about this,

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that they want to have an armed march

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the weekend after the sixth.

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But if you have an armed march in DC,

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they'll arrest you for that.

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You can say, well, it's my second amendment.

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They'll still arrest you.

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And so then we didn't see the Boogaloos show up armed.

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Were they hoping other people would?

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I don't know.

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I just don't like this thing

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of let's have violent revolution.

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And then people say, okay, well you go first.

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Well, I'm not going first and.

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There's so much in that clip there

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that just contradicts Alex's entire branding.

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Yeah.

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He's saying that he isn't gonna go first,

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but he also spent so much of his time on his show

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yelling about how he's the tip of the spear.

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The spear.

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And Infowars is the thing that it's at the front.

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It hits the barbed wire to make sure

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it's safe for everyone else to charge.

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Absolutely.

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If you listened to Alex's show

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and believed a word of what he said,

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you might be surprised to hear him say

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he doesn't want to be at the front.

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Also, Alex's opposition to the Boogaloo idea

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of having armed marches makes no sense.

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None.

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Alex is a gun rights absolutist.

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And in the past, he's been pretty clear

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that every American has the right to carry arms

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peacefully and responsibly at protests.

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The idea that a certain group is being told

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that they'll be arrested if they march armed

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should be a huge violation of his concept

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of the Second Amendment,

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and yet here he is saying that the Boogaloo type

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shouldn't march armed because the state told them not to?

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This is where it's important to recognize

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that Alex has no real concrete principles

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that he's working off of,

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or else his position here would have to be different.

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He doesn't have a principled belief

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in the right to gun ownership.

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He just likes shooting guns a lot,

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and he found that it was a really marketable niche

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to be a guy who yells vague threats

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towards anyone who indicates support for gun regulation.

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True.

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At the moment, business requires that he actually

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be in favor of people he would normally call gun grabbers,

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and somehow this doesn't seem weird

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to a large portion of his audience.

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Yeah, I mean, when your ideology is,

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er, money, and your strategy is scramble

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every time something weird happens,

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then yeah, you're gonna get into

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some real uncomfortable situations.

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It does appear that way.

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Yeah.

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Someone else who's in an uncomfortable situation

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is old Donald J. Trump.

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Oh.

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He's got his impeachment trial coming up.

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Sure.

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And Alex has a pretty good idea.

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I believe.

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Of what he needs to do.

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Okay.

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He's lost over 60 other platforms,

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so he can be silenced, listen to this,

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silenced ahead of and during his trial.

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And it guarantees they're saying,

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oh, let the president's lawyers put on the defense.

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No.

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Put Trump in there.

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Put Trump in there on the witness seat

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and let them attack him and lie about him,

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and all he's gotta do is have a hit list of exhibits

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after they attack him that he puts on,

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and it will destroy them right out of a Perry Mason movie.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Get Trump up there.

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Just putting the whole system on trial.

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Yes, please.

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Yes, please.

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I would like that.

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Please take that advice.

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That is something that I would,

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that would be the first time

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that I have ever watched an entire speaking,

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yeah, yeah, I would be riveted.

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Yes, keep on going, man.

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It's, I think it's sound advice to be like,

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let your lawyers represent you in a trial.

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A man who takes himself as a client has a fool for a lawyer.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is really getting into this idea

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that Trump needs to get up there

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and lambast the entire Congress.

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Yeah, I think that'd work.

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And then he pulls out a really weird quote.

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Right out of the real footage

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of the famous House Committee on Un-American Activities,

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and then the Senate Committee on Un-American Activities,

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and the lawyer says, have you no decency?

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You know, just that point.

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And I mean, I could go into that trial

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and annihilate them, annihilate them.

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This is their Waterloo.

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But of course, they're always the aggressive globalist.

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We always cower to them.

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We always act like we're the bad guys

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and we're on the defense.

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So that'd be great.

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The idea of Trump like having Alex

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as his sort of representative in court.

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I thought it was going to be the best it could be

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with Trump representing himself.

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But now the idea of Trump represented by Alex Jones

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has one upped it again.

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God damn.

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It would be a zoo.

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It would just, I don't even, I couldn't even imagine it.

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I would love it.

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It would be perfect.

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Now that famous quote that have you no sense of decency,

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that's an interesting thing for Alex to pull out.

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That line was spoken by Joseph Welch,

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a lawyer who's representing the army

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in a case against Joseph McCarthy.

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McCarthy had accused one of the young attorneys

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working with Welch of being connected to the communists.

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And that is what prompted Welch

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to question McCarthy's decency.

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The beginning of the quote is actually quote,

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and tell this moment, Senator,

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I think I never really gauged your cruelty

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or your recklessness.

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This hearing was being broadcast on television

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and most essentially it destroyed Joseph McCarthy's career.

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At least in part because it clearly exposed

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how much of a witch hunt McCarthy was engaging in.

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Alex loves Joseph McCarthy

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and thinks that the House Un-American Activities Committee

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was absolutely legitimate

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and they were doing the essential work

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of rooting out commies.

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Alex shouldn't celebrate the line have you no decency.

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I was really confused by that

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because it was directed towards the guy.

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That's what threw me for a loop.

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No.

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Okay, so he's saying he really could have taken it

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to Joseph McCarthy if he had.

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He's saying that he could be that lawyer

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saying it to like Nancy Pelosi.

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Right.

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Or I guess Chuck Schumer

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because it would be in the Senate.

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He doesn't understand how things work.

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Nope.

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He's evoking something that should be like a deep wound

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in his anti-communist psyche.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you destroyed the guy

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who I think or I think could have solved

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all of our non-white problems, yeah.

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So in this next clip,

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we get one of the more unsettling ideas

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that Alex has about the Boogaloo types.

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And this is something that we've heard him express before

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and it's a revelation that he kinda can tell

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whether or not a group is real or not by who they target.

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Okay, that's great.

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They wanna accelerate us into a physical conflict

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because they believe they can kill our free society

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and submit their takeover that way.

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That's why they're gonna lead paramilitary groups

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that are either knowingly controlled or unknowingly controlled

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because of their low IQs

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into hitting targets that are not good targets.

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I mean, let me tell you, I'm not saying kill anybody, okay?

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But you know, the globalists coming at us

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with these deadly vaccines

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that they know are meant to be populated,

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the super unpopular top globalists, Klaus Schwab,

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Bill Gates, notice you never see anybody

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actually going after the people above Biden, above Trump.

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There's all the secret service from the president

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to make you think they actually run things.

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Seem disappointed that people aren't making runs

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at Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab.

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All right, I wrote this down as a quote.

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I'm not saying kill anybody.

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But you know.

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But you know.

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You know.

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That's words that mean kill people.

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You know.

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No, that's me.

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Yeah.

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No, that's kill people.

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Yeah, I think that the message is astoundingly clear.

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Absolutely clear.

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I'm not saying kill anybody, but that's what.

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See now, if I'm not saying kill anybody,

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I'm going to say, I'm not saying kill anybody, period.

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Period.

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Period in that sentence.

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Not comma, because nothing that comes after that comma

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is gonna be anything other than, but we should kill people.

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You know, the next clause is generally gonna be like.

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Negates the first clause.

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Yeah, or at least delineates like circumstances

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where the first clause doesn't apply.

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By the rules of grammar,

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Alex has called for violent revolution.

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Does feel that way.

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Yeah.

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So, but the thing that he's calling for even more

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is that Trump needs to turn this damn impeachment trial

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into a circus.

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I love it.

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And we need to get that message to Trump

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and we are getting that message to him

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that he needs to go on the offense.

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He needs to demand to face his accusers.

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He needs to demand to be in that Senate trial.

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He needs to make it three weeks long, a month long.

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Suck all the oxygen out of Biden.

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And I hate to even say all this on air,

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but this is the advice I've actually gotten to the president.

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I'll leave it at that.

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He needs to just demand, because I mean, in a real trial,

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he could have a two month trial.

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And Trump just needs to dominate,

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suck all the air out of Biden.

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And he can literally turn this whole thing around

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against him if he doesn't abide that he's been defeated.

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I can tell you, he doesn't feel defeated,

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but he just feels totally sick of it and pissed off

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that this was allowed to happen.

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And I'm telling you, Trump needs to go on the offense.

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They're telling him behind the scenes just on record

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that if he shuts up and goes along and rolls over,

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they're gonna leave him alone.

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No, they're not.

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The only way they leave him alone

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is when they're defeated.

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This is like the same shit he was saying four years ago.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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They're saying like, oh, just leave this alone

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and we'll leave you alone.

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Like, no, these globalists, they're making these deals.

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It's just, this is so boring.

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Yeah.

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He's talking about his own feelings.

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I know, I'm disappointed to be in reruns

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of reality right now.

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This is really a bummer.

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You can almost feel it, the way he's,

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the manner of speech, he's just coming up with things

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that he, Alex personally feels and applying them to Trump.

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Yep, yep.

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It's ridiculous.

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I would like to yell at Nancy Pelosi.

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So strangely enough, my advice to Trump is to yell at,

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he should do what I wish I could do, is all he's saying.

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Yeah.

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So there's big Proud Boy news.

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Sure.

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Also, it should be pointed out

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that Alex was jumped into the Proud Boys

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by Gavin McGinnis on air on Infowars.

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That's true.

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So he is technically a Proud Boy.

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That is true.

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He aimed cereals.

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That is true.

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While Gavin was giving him little silly punches.

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Yeah, I think that should be actionable.

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Rufio Panman.

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Yes.

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Based stick man.

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Right.

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Gavin McGinnis, Alex Jones, Rambo Joe Biggs.

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What a murderer's row of shit bags.

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But there's news about one of the other members.

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Okay.

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All right, we've got some really big Proud Boy news

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that's gonna be breaking next segment.

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I wish I never had to hear that sentence.

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I wanna cover this very important topic right now.

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The Left is not created.

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Okay.

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What?

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Big Proud Boy news.

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The Left doesn't know how to make memes as well as I do.

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Yeah, I'm the meme machine.

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That's what they call me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, all right, great.

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So yeah, there was news that came out

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that in the past, Enrique Tarrio.

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Yeah, he was an informant, right?

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Yes.

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I've read these stories and I'm not sure

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that I see concrete indications that he still is.

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Right.

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And I can see that going either way.

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Right.

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And so I am gonna withhold any kind of judgment

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or any declaration on what his current behaviors are.

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Right, right, right.

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Because I'm not involved and I've never met the guy

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and I don't give a shit.

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Now, I would say if I were Alex, I might be worried.

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Because Enrique Tarrio's been on Alex's show

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a bunch of times.

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He was really good friends with Joe Biggs

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who just got arrested.

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Well, there's that.

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I would say that Alex might have,

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or Joe Biggs might have, said some things

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that you wouldn't want to say to an informant.

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Well, I bet they probably didn't text it

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to each other though, Dan.

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I don't know if that's the case.

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And like I said, I still need to see further indications

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to feel at least, you know, like convinced

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that he was like snitching on the Proud Boys or whatever.

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See now, this is a problem for me.

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It is kind of funny.

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This is a problem for me.

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This is what I'm talking about

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with higher class of criminal, all right?

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The Proud Boys are also really bad at being a gang.

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Like in Chicago, if you get taken up by the cops

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and you're in a gang, man, they just assume you talk.

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It doesn't matter.

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It doesn't matter if you talked or not.

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You can't take that risk.

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Sure.

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So they can.

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Of course you say Enrique Tarrio is an informant,

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whether he is or not.

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You gotta get him out of there.

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I think if you're doing like security for the Proud Boys,

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yes.

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I understand making that like sort of safety decision.

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Right.

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I understand that.

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This is a gang that punches you

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and makes you name cereals to get in.

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I understand that.

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I understand that.

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They should get into meth is what I'm trying to say.

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Isn't that what I'm saying?

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Maybe our expectations for how tight a ship they run

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should be adjusted.

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They're also-

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They do not have a string or bell.

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No. That is for sure.

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No.

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They laugh at Gavin McGinnis' jokes.

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It's not a good group.

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No, that's not good.

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So Alex has some vaccine news.

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Also, you have some vaccine news,

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like you mentioned up top.

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I have good news.

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Yep, Alex has some other news.

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Oh.

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Hey, did you hear?

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Merck has pulled its two vaccines

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because of major health problems and bad reactions,

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both their mRNA vaccine and their regular vaccine

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that had a bizarre measles delivery system.

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Those have been pulled and they say it doesn't work

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and it's dangerous and you shouldn't take a vaccine

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because they know the house of cards is coming down.

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Alex isn't wrong about the underlying story here.

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And that is that Merck did in fact abandon its attempts

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to create two experimental coronavirus vaccines this week.

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However, the message of this story

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is completely misrepresented by Alex into being anti-vax.

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In reality, a story like this

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should give people even more confidence

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about the vaccines that are widely available

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because this clearly demonstrates

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that there are some vaccines that don't make the cut.

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These two that were developed by Merck

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are not the same ones that were made by Pfizer or Moderna.

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So pointing at this story

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as a way to make those vaccines look bad makes no sense,

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but that's exactly what Alex is doing.

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Alex is also just lying when he says

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that Merck decided to stop pursuing these vaccines

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because of bad reactions.

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From NPR, quote, Merck is halting development

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of its two COVID-19 vaccine candidates

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saying that while the drugs seem to be safe,

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they didn't generate enough of an immune response

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to effectively protect people against the coronavirus.

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So they just didn't work.

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Yeah, Merck spent a ton of money

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on developing these potential vaccines

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and ultimately it didn't work.

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The fact that this happens pretty regularly

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is actually an indictment of Alex's fictional worldview.

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And it's really interesting

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to see him reporting on a story

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that's a huge problem for his narratives

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as if it somehow validates them.

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It's very weird.

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Yeah, but the narrative for them is

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if the system isn't working, the system isn't working.

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And the system is, if it is working,

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then the system isn't working

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because if it's working, it's trying to kill you.

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Maybe.

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And that idea of like-

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I think in this case,

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it's more just like a sleight of hand thing

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where it's like these vaccines got recalled.

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Now, how can you trust this completely separate vaccine?

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And then also just making shit up.

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Yeah, I mean, the obvious thing for him,

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the obvious problem there is that this in many ways

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is essentially the free market

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working the way it's supposed to.

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They don't have a product they can sell

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so they can't sell it.

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Yeah.

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It's very simple.

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But Alex would believe that even if they did have a product

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that was ineffective because everything is about money,

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just 100%, they would still sell it

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even though it wasn't effective

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because they'd sunk so much money into it.

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Of course.

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He just doesn't, he has an incoherent worldview.

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Doesn't care.

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Anyway, Alex is gonna get to interviewing this Boogaloo

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gentleman and it's interesting

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because he can't quite figure out where to place himself

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because he's like,

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you do have a responsibility to overthrow a government.

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Well, he already said earlier,

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I'm not saying kill anybody, but you know.

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And that theme may develop later.

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I believe that.

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This just is really, this makes no sense to me.

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I believe the Declaration of Independence.

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I believe that when we have a destructive government

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that has come after our freedoms and our rights

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and that has proven itself to be an authoritarian force

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that isn't going away, it's not just our right,

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it's our duty to throw off such a force.

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But I don't wanna stupidly do it.

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I don't wanna be led by the ADL,

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the Southern Poverty Law Center.

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I don't wanna be led by idiots.

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I don't want to go with the wrong targets

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and I wanna exhaust every form of unofficial warfare

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because war is just politics by other means,

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as Von Bismarck said.

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The pen is my iron sword.

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And so I'm not very good at war if I can't win with the pen.

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And so I'm really trying to do that.

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You're not gonna win with the pen or a sword.

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But I just, I don't understand what he's saying

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other than kill my enemies.

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Yes.

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Because he's saying that these,

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like I don't wanna be led

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by the Southern Poverty Law Center or the ADL.

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That's meaningless.

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That's just nonsense.

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But the problem that he seems to have

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is that these groups aren't doing what he wants.

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Yes.

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Yes, that's a real issue.

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Because he says that you have a responsibility

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to throw off this government

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once it reaches X, Y, and Z point.

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Right.

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His show is essentially all about

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how we've reached X, Y, and Z point.

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99% of it, yes.

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Yeah.

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Also the left is uncreative.

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That's true.

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Those are basically the two themes.

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Yeah, so he makes a career out of arguing

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that we have reached the point

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where it's essential to throw off the government

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and then you have these people who are like,

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well, eh?

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Well, he made a career out of it.

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If he hadn't made a career out of it,

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he would be more interested in people actually doing it.

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Yeah, probably.

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Because there's not a money in that.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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So now we get to the point where Mike Dunn,

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Boogaloo Boy extraordinaire comes on for the interview.

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And this note that I have right here on this clip is just,

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this is a bad idea.

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Oh.

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Now, Mike Dunn, I appreciate him coming on.

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Usually people we disagree with are cowards.

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They don't come on.

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So he gets landmarks coming on.

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And Mike Dunn is a well-known Boogaloo Boy.

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They call him the leader, the founder,

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constitutional adherent, 20-year-old,

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former Trump supporter, turned libertarian.

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I guess he was in the Marines too as well.

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And so I'm going to try to give him

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the floor of the rest of this segment.

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We've got about seven minutes left.

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Then I've got my questions and my comments.

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So he wants to set us straight.

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We're all about folks that want to set us straight.

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And if I'm wrong, I will apologize.

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So Mike, thanks for coming on.

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None of that is accurate.

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Mm.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's funny too, whenever Owen Schroyer, who's also there,

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chiming in periodically, he is complaining

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about these other people who are too cowardly to come on.

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It's like, Brian Stelter, Rachel Maddow.

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Yeah, they're not going to come on.

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No.

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No, no, they're not going to come on.

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Also, maybe the reason that he's coming on

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is because he's not your, he doesn't disagree with you.

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Yeah.

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I'm not saying that you guys are wrong.

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Maybe he recognizes that you are very usable.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You are a platform that is exploitable for his purposes.

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Which he could have learned is a lot easier

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than he might think if he had listened to our show.

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Sure.

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I mean, Steve Pajanik laid it out.

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Exactly.

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That's all you got to do.

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Alex, you are fucking so easy.

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So easy.

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Yeah.

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So Mike starts off, like I said, the first thing he does

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is correct Alex about the leadership.

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Right.

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First things first, I'm not the leader of the Boogaloo.

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I'm not the founder.

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It's an autonomous movement.

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I'm just someone who's in the movement who

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helped make it big in the media limelight and public face.

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And I happen to control a large portion of the movement.

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So I just wanted to get that straight.

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The movement was not founded by me,

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and I'm not the leader of it.

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Simply a prominent figure in it.

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I control a large portion of it is an interesting.

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That's a strange.

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Yeah.

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I control a large, how large a portion?

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I don't know.

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But he is a guy who there was a Vice article and video

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about him done, I believe, last year.

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And it sort of traces some of his roots

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from being a Virginia gun rights militia type, which

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if you recall a year ago, Alex was super into.

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Loved it.

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And then through that, he fell in with Boogaloo communities

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and what have you.

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I assume the article started with Mike Dunn dot dot dot

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or Mike Fun question mark.

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And then just a Hawaiian shirt emoji.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so he was involved prior to getting

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into the Boogaloo stuff in just a lot of stuff

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that Alex is super, super into and capitalized

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on the gun rights rally in Virginia

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that Alex talks about all the time.

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Some of the malicious stuff that Mike was involved in

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was involved in that.

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No, it's almost like a lot of these far right guys

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are almost giving these exit interviews with these people

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like, hey, you did a great job, but we got to cut you loose.

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And by cut you loose, I mean blame you for everything

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that we've done.

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And the flip side of it is kind of a don't meet your heroes.

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Yeah.

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Kind of lesson for all these people who

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are coming on to Alex's show.

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Wait a second, I thought you liked us.

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I thought you were great, Alex, but unfortunately, oh

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boy, Mike.

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Mike is, I think that he can tell that Alex

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is trying to set him up.

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Yeah.

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Because Alex is trying to be a dick to him.

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And I think that Mike knows that,

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and he's a millennial Gen Z kind of guy.

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Gen Z, I guess.

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But, or Zoom?

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What's it called?

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Don't even worry about it.

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I don't know the name of Generations.

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Don't worry about it.

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But he's a youth, and he's equipped

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to handle Alex's bullshit.

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Trouble.

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To start with, Alex, you started with a quote.

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I want to address that as well, from yourself.

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Here's some other quotes from you.

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1776 is the answer to 1984.

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You also said if just 5% of people

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got motivated in some direction, and it doesn't

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have to be what I believe in, but if they got motivated

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and stopped getting their political ideologies

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from the media, they would go and figure out what they want.

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And we're literally doing that.

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We have been motivated.

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We figured out what we wanted, which is freedom from tyranny.

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And we're willing to stand against that.

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When you say 1776 is the answer to 1984 and your involvement

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in the Capitol incidents, I know you can put up

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an article from the Gateway Pundit

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accusing me of inciting the violence and blah, blah, blah.

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Feeding into the media narrative like you

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don't want others to do.

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Hold on a second.

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I don't mean to interrupt you.

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I don't see what they're putting up.

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Let's not put the articles up right now.

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I'll get to my questions coming up.

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I want him to have the floor uninterrupted.

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Please continue.

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Alex is giving him a lot of space, and I think it's very

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weird.

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Oh, you weren't supposed to listen to me when I talked.

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You're definitely not supposed to come back at me with things

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that I've said before.

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You're definitely not supposed to use my words and ideas

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to justify your beliefs and your actions

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that I'm supposed to be condemning.

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Yeah, because they are my words, and boy, they sound

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exactly like what you're doing.

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Oh, boy.

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I'm in trouble now.

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Whoops.

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I imagine that's his thought process is just like, oh, no,

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he used words.

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Yeah.

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Oh, shit.

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Again, I wouldn't have done this interview if I were Alex.

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I think this is a bad idea.

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I think that he thinks that he can do these gotcha moments,

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like the Bill Ayers interview or David Rothschild.

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And it just, he's so bad at this.

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He's really good at steamrolling con men.

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He's not good at talking to people

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who have actual beliefs.

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Yeah, it's trouble.

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I don't agree with Mike, and I don't trust him.

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I don't think he's being necessarily above board

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and fully honest, even in this interview,

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that I do believe that he has beliefs more

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than Alex, and that's a problem.

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Alex can't handle it.

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And beliefs that are almost certainly inspired by Alex.

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Yes, and he is aware enough to recognize that Alex doesn't

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actually have those beliefs, and that's not good.

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Uh-oh.

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But 1776 is the answer to 1984.

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I want to paint you a picture from 1776.

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January 18th, Major Habersheen arrests a royal governor,

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James Wright.

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March 2nd, Americans begin shelling Boston, March 4th.

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We captured Dorchester Heights after a bloody battle.

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April 7th, we had a bloody major sea battle.

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August 27th, we had the Battle of Long Island.

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September 15th, we had another bloody battle.

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September 21st, New York City, a quarter of it was burned.

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October 11th, we had another bloody battle.

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That's just one of the many instances of 1776.

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So when you call for 1776, I almost

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feel like you're doing it just for the merch and not

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for the actual fact.

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We understand that our laws, our avenues

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that we should go through, have been clogged up

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by old men in politics.

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Politicians who were there for the money,

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they've been clogged up.

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They blocked us from actually having access to our rights.

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They've infringed upon constitutional rights,

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whether it be the First Amendment, the Second

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Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, it doesn't matter.

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They've infringed on those rights,

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and we realize that those avenues are no longer open to

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us.

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And so the only answer to that is

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to try to win the hearts and the minds of the people.

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And ultimately, there is going to be a revolution.

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Even you know this, and I know this.

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Even you.

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This is fucked for Alex.

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Wow.

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This is not good.

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No.

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This is a terrible situation for him

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to be in because he's being rightly

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confronted about his using Americana for merch and shit.

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That is a valid criticism for it to be levied against Alex.

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But he's also being scolded by somebody

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who stands to deeper radicalize, perhaps, his audience.

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Yeah, I'm interested in that push and pull

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because it does seem like there are twisted motivations here

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for Alex.

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Like one, of course, he has to be top dog.

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But two, he does want to give these exact ideas a platform.

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True.

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So that, to me, is part of why he's not interrupting so much.

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Yeah.

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It's hard for me to tell if it's like a way of painting

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this person as the fall guy, but also at the same time.

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Spreading his message.

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There is a part of me that feels like maybe that's

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what's going on.

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But I've seen enough interviews on Alex's show

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that are just like, he does not prepare at all.

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That he probably thought this was going to be a 20-year-old

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idiot who didn't know anything, who

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didn't have an awareness of Alex's career,

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didn't have an ability to stand up for himself.

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I would bet that he's just like, I'm going to talk to a tween?

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All right.

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I'm a man.

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Yeah, it is fascinating.

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I've been on there 27 years, man.

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It's really funny how completely clueless old people are,

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considering the fact that I believe

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that 90% of 16-year-olds are savvier and probably have

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a better education than I do.

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If you're under 23, I'm terrified, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You have powers.

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You guys don't even know what kind of fucking powers

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you have yet.

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And you're not going to lose an argument to Alex fucking Jones.

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No, that's pretty clear.

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I think there are probably some 20-year-olds who would,

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but this guy is not what Alex expected, I don't believe.

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Now, the thing that I take issue with,

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or the thing that I'm worried about, is that this is a guy

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who stands to be a negative influence on Alex's audience,

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insomuch as there are people who are like Gavin McInnes,

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or Nick Fuentes, or E. Michael Jones, who

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come on Alex's show and stand to take audiences

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on a different path.

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Take them from this, I mean, it's bad,

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but there's kind of an exploitative, vampiric nature

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to Alex's just keeping people scared

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and then selling them dumb pills they don't need.

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Like, I hate it.

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It's an awful thing, but it's kind of,

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Alex has a vested interest in them not going too far.

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He's doing it for the merch.

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Yes.

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And falling into overtly anti-Semitic communities,

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starting to watch the American Journal.

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These kinds of things are dangerous,

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and I don't think that he is the right person, this Mike,

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to be making these critiques of Alex that

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are justified and fair.

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And one of the reasons is, I mean,

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Mike believes a lot of the same stuff

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that Alex does, like that the election was a fraudulent one.

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We all saw widespread voter fraud.

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We all understand what happened in the election.

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We're not Trump fans.

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We're not Biden fans.

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We understand that.

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But a lot of you hold on to the hope of voting your way out

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of voter fraud, which is an impossibility.

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We see it as there has to be a revolution.

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There has to be a result. And it's going to come to that.

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We preach unity, bottom scale unity,

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against the elitist, the globalist, the people

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who control our country, the people who

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control our presidents, which you talked about previously.

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We see that as a way to say, hey, we're a dumb attorney,

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and we're going to stand against it.

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We're part of those 3% that have stood up, or in your case,

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from your quote, it's just 5% of people.

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We're part of that.

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We're the ones who have stood up.

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And that's pretty much all I had to say concerning the boogaloo

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and what we're about.

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We're about freedom and liberty for all people,

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non-discrimination, and the Constitution

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being applicable to those who disagree with you.

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So this is a chance to launder and sell this group as,

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but I honestly don't even understand

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why he would say that as if it's a good thing on Info Wars.

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Like, we don't discriminate.

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This whole thing is about discriminating, man.

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Yeah, all I hear is, we're looking for the right boot

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to lick.

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We ran out of boots.

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Now we are hoping somebody will come up

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who will help us oppress the people we want to oppress.

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I don't know if I would agree that that's

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the vibe I get off Mike.

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Sure.

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Alex, perhaps.

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No, I don't get that.

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Well, I mean, I guess it's that kind of always getting

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to that conversation of like, you guys just

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don't realize because you think you're

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going to be the mine owner.

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You don't think that you're going

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to be under a different boot.

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You think it's going to be some sort of utopia

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where you get to do whatever you want to do,

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and all you're doing is establishing someone else

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to fuck you over, probably worse.

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Yeah, and it's also, there were logistical reasons

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in a disconnected world why the Civil War in the United

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States in the 1860s didn't really

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lead to the complete destruction of America.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We're another Civil War to break out today.

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It's not like what this fantasy is, where it's like,

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one side will fight the other, and then someone will win,

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and then America.

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There are no battlefields anymore in the States.

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No, but were there to be an actual Civil War,

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do you think that that would work

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for the other global powers that are tied up in our economy?

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Well.

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It wouldn't work.

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I imagine that China and Europe now,

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naturally they do have a massive investment in the United States

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continuing to function the same way.

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I imagine they would stand on the sidelines

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if all of the sudden the global economy were to crash.

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Let's see who wins.

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Because two groups of morons were dressed in red and blue

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on fucking a plane running at each other with knives.

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Oh, no.

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We need the economy and the entire world

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to get back online.

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We better pull for the boogaloos.

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Yeah, no chance.

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There's far ranging consequences from this sort

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of fantastical idea that they have.

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It was one of the reasons why I have

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a real lack of interest in accelerationist ideas

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is like, anyway, I really don't care.

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I don't care for this guy's kind of ideology.

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And I also don't take him at face value

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about the non-discrimination.

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Maybe him personally, I don't know.

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I don't know anything about him as an individual

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except for what he's put out on Vice and shit.

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But I don't know.

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Yeah, I find it hard to believe how many people still believe

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that a civil war in the United States

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would have two armies opposed to each other with two generals

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all choosing which troops to put where,

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as opposed to either being like, there's

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no middle ground in a war in the United States.

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It's either street battles in every United States city

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or explosions everywhere.

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There's no just, we're going to go fight.

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And you know the quickest way to get the UN here too

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is probably that.

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Yes.

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Get the UN involved.

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Oh, man.

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I'm sure Alex would love that.

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Yeah, it'd be great.

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So Mike and Alex get to talking about how Alex's ideas are

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kind of behind what Mike is doing.

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And Alex has a really tough time with this.

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I'm just trying to figure out, are these,

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because you mentioned this.

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And you respond to the 1776 thing

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because I'm somebody that's very clear that I believe

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in civil disobedience.

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I believe in defensive defense and violence.

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I really want to fix this peacefully.

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In fact, let's just go there first.

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You're saying listening to my work, my energy,

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you're taking from that the idea of revolution or armed

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conflict?

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Yeah, no shit.

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I definitely wouldn't say that I took it directly from you.

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I'm just saying that the idea that you portray

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and the message that you carry sometimes

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tend to look like you're just there to create merch

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and not actually stand for an actual revolution.

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You talk about peaceful protesting.

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And I always thought, the Alex Jones I listened to growing up

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was someone who wanted the government to fear the people.

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And so I'm not saying that you incited it or you directed it.

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But I am saying that if you continue to preach a 1776

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revolution or the type of message that you preach,

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you're going to have to figure out whether you're just

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going to bend the knee and continue

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to make your talk show or if you're actually

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going to stand against the tyranny that is present in the US.

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Well, Mike, let's be 100% clear.

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You better believe I sell t-shirts and I sell product.

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That gets the word out, that's dedication.

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Hold on, hold on, hold on.

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They want to shut us down.

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They want to kill our speech.

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They want us to exercise our speech online.

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You guys wear your shirts that are Hawaiian shirts,

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to see them being owned.

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We're info wars.

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And damn right, I've got the globalists

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trying to shut me down.

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I am a capitalist.

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I didn't get $10.6 billion from Democrat donors

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and George Soros like Black Lives Matter.

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So I don't get any funding like Antifa or a BLM.

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I don't have people volunteering to do my security.

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I pay my security.

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I don't have the Boogaloo boys volunteering for my security.

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I pay for my security.

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So I mean, I'm a capitalist.

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I am not ashamed of selling products.

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But to be clear, if we get to a point

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where I think I've got to be violent,

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then I'll do what I have to do.

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That's why I'm fighting so hard.

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That's why I'm fighting so hard.

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Because I'm not going to stand around in capitals with guns

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if I get violent.

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Yeah, if Alex gets violent, he's going to have suction cups

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on his hands, skiggling up the side of a building.

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Alex Jones is going to be a commando,

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breaking into Soros's house with piano wire.

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Now, we all know Alex is a paratrooper.

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He's going to get in that parachute,

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and he's going to land directly on top of the catapult

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building, repel his way down.

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I know one thing about Alex Jones,

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and that is he is a man who is not unfamiliar with stealth.

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Yeah.

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Hey, hey, hey, where's my enemies?

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I'm a little drunk.

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Yeah, that's a little silly.

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I do think that Mike has a decent point,

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though, that Alex, the way he engages with his rhetoric

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and the way he behaves on air, does lead to a point

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where he has to be honest with himself.

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Am I just being a talk show host,

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or am I actually trying to rile people up to 1776?

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And we've heard Alex, when shit gets too hot, he's like,

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I'm just a talk show host, man.

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Right.

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You know, Shadow Gate comes out, he's like,

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I don't do any of this shit.

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Yeah, when the country is stable,

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or at least more stable than it is now,

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you can get away with the answer to 1984 is 1776.

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Everybody gets that it's a metaphor.

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Now, it's not a metaphor.

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It's not.

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You can't say it without meaning it, because it's happening.

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Yeah, and your use of it as a metaphor

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is part of what normalizes the state that we're in now,

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in the same way that Mimi jokes about civil war

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to electric boogaloo leads to people actually wanting

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to engage in ways that could set off a second civil war.

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Like, jokes can lead to action.

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And hey, maybe jokes were fine then, but not now.

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We can't do this like, no, no, no, what I really meant was,

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no, be specific, be careful in your language,

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and make sure that everybody is fucking trying, at least.

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It would be helpful.

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And instead, it's just like, oh, no, no, I didn't mean that.

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Well, guess what?

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Hundreds of thousands of people are ready for 1776,

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maybe millions.

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And they're surprised that you're not.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So now, this is the point in the interview

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where I think Alex realizes, uh-oh, I

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better be mean to this guy.

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I've got to condescend to him.

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How do you see this thing unfold?

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And tell me, General George Washington 2.0,

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how we're going to do this revolution.

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I don't know.

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I thought you were the General George Washington 2.0.

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And, of course.

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No, no, no, I'm not the guy out there

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saying we're going to have a revolution.

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So tell me.

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We need a declaration of independence by the states.

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We need a coalition of leaders ready

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with a bill of particulars of what we want.

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And then we go to war.

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Not a bunch of people taking selfies in the Capitol.

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That's the opposite of what we need.

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We need George Washington.

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He hadn't shown up yet.

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So I'm telling you, tell me what we do, General Dunn.

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What do we do right now?

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Go for it.

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Get those papers in order.

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Get the plan of government for after in order.

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And actually get it done and start building forces

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like you're supposed to, like all of us had done.

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I think that Alex thought he'd be cowed by that yelling.

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I think that he thought he'd be intimidated by Alex

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doing a little outburst.

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See, look at how stupid this is.

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You don't have a plan in place.

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OK, well, let's get a plan in place

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and take over the government.

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Oh, no.

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Oh, I thought you were just going to be stupid.

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Mike is saying, essentially, my part in this

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is rising up people.

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And that is what I have been doing.

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Great.

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We need those bills of particulars.

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Why the fuck isn't anyone doing it?

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Why are you doing it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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No, he was like, I guess.

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Alex is in a bad place.

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I guess Alex was expecting him to reveal himself as stupid

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and reveal that, look at all your stupid ideas that

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don't make any sense.

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And then when he didn't reveal himself as stupid,

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he has to try and portray him as stupid.

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And now he realizes that it's impenetrable.

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You know, like, this is a generation

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that's been raised on my generation's irony.

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They're indestructible.

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Well, it's impenetrable for Alex also,

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because the only way to penetrate it

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is to sort of also puncture your own mythology

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and your own worldview.

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Were you to say, like, well, all this stuff that we complain

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about is bullshit.

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So the reason that you want the bill of particulars

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and a new government and all this is nonsense.

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It's all lies that we've been spouting for years on the radio.

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Now, you could do that, and then it

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would devolve into a completely different conversation.

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But Alex can't do that.

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Mike is essentially bulletproof on a lot of points,

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because he's talking to Alex, who he clearly

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knows profits from putting on a certain presentation.

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And he would stand to lose those profits

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if he were to do the thing that would

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deflate this conversation.

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Yeah, I don't know why people who

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are going to absolutely beat the shit out of Alex

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in an interview do not bring a hype man.

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So many different lines in there,

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he said, where somebody should be on the call

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to just be like, what?

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I cannot believe you just did that.

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Yeah.

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And this would be a good place for it,

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actually, because in this next clip,

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Mike kind of chews Alex out a little bit.

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We go to our capitals on where they say,

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you know, in Richmond, Virginia, Owen Troyer drove there.

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He saw some of my guys there on.

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They said, hey, you can't open carry here anymore.

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It's illegal now.

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We went and we disobeyed it.

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If they had tried to arrest us, we

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would have used the Second Amendment the way

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that it was intended, which is to limit government.

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Hold on.

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Say that again.

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Where did you do this?

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Because this is you putting your money where your mouth is.

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Where did you do this?

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Caravan.

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This is in Richmond, Virginia.

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It's illegal to open carry any protest or event armed.

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So we go there for Owen Troyer's thing

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when he came through with the Stop the Steal.

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We've been at every protest, whether it

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be MAGA, Black Lives Matter, anything,

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to make sure that things are peaceful and respectful.

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And we go there armed.

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We disobeyed the law.

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We stand against the tyranny.

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And what we see, people like you, Alex,

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who used to be my hero as a young man,

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we see young men in the need to it repeatedly.

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You have your talk shows.

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You give your speeches.

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But y'all don't actually stand against tyranny.

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And that's disheartening as a young man, a young American,

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and someone involved in the liberty movement

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and constitutionalism.

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Personally, I'm not speaking for the young man.

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Wait a minute.

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How am I not standing against tyranny,

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fighting evil legislation, marching, going out

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and having events?

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Sorry?

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Because you talk.

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We go out there.

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We actually disobey.

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We stand there armed.

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We're not willing to.

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We don't boot lick like a lot of you and Republicans do.

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We actually stand up against the tyranny that is prevalent.

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That's what I want to see y'all do.

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When you ask, well, what's the revolution look like?

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Well, there you go.

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It's us engaging in civil disobedience.

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And if they decide to do something,

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then we'll stand against that.

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You're not going out there where they say, hey,

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you can't open carry here.

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You can't exercise a constitutional right.

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You're not going out there and disobey it.

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Y'all want to do everything by the law

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because you're the party of law and order.

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Well, no, I have supported open carry.

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And I've supported the lawsuits and all the rest of it.

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So that's not a fair statement.

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Oh, you lost.

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Listen to the sound of his voice.

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Listen to the defeat.

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That was so weak.

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Alex cannot rebut.

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I went outside one time.

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You can honestly imagine somebody

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who likes Alex hearing this and it

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shattering some of the illusion that you have about Alex

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as him being a competent, confident, strong force.

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This guy is mirroring back a lot of Alex's rhetoric.

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He's pointing out the places where

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it's clear that Alex is in contradiction with himself.

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And it's, uh.

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And he's hammering the fact that he's in it for the merch.

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You talk.

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You talk.

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You talk for money.

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That's what you do.

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Yeah, you talk.

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We act.

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And that's why, you know, if there is tyranny, then.

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I'm halfway waiting for this to end like a Molyneux declaring

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himself a white nationalist where Alex is just like, well,

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I guess I'm a boogaloo boy, too.

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I didn't know it, but here we are.

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We'll see how it ends.

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Oh, god.

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So Alex, like you said, I mean, you could tell there was

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a little bit of submission there around showed ass.

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That like, oh, no, I've supported open carry.

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And so Alex has to retreat to trying to have gotcha moments.

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So he brings up the Capitol.

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The strategic blunder of rushing into the Capitol,

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the strategic blunder of the selfies and the cute art stuff

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and all the rest of it is not what Trump wanted.

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It's not what I wanted.

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That was our rally to try to put pressure on them to have

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a 10 day investigation of election fraud.

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So wait, do you think what happened to the Capitol

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was a victory or a fiasco?

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I definitely think it was the right thing

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for the wrong reasons.

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I think it was a good way to make government

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for the people again.

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It was nice to see members of Congress on their knees

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fearing the people.

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I think it was the right thing for the wrong reasons.

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So you now wish that people wouldn't have knocked down

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the doors and gone in there?

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I wish 100% that people would do it more all over this country

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and make government for the people.

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So that's a little bit fucked up.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, there is nothing quite so terrifying as a zealot.

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Especially a 20 year old.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But also I can think of a lot of historical problems

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that come from 20 year old zealots.

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He is also limiting his own personal involvement

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with the Capitol and the storming of it.

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There's an article in Reuters from January 8th

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that says that Mike Dunn, quote, who lives in Virginia

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said three or four groups of loyalists under his command

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helped storm the Capitol this week amid a motley mix

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of rioters who supported President Donald Trump's

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attempt to overturn the results of the November

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presidential election.

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While most boogaloos are libertarians

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who largely oppose Trump, Dunn said

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the group embraced the moment to strike against the government.

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So I don't know.

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Like, if this Reuters article is wrong?

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Right.

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But he downplays his own involvement.

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And it seems like there might be some disingenuousness

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on his part in terms of his exact actions.

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I just don't think that you can get away with commanding people

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to overthrow the Capitol.

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It seems like this Reuters article, if true,

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is a problem.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That said, I don't know.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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I do know that that is a point that Alex really hoped

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would show some sort of weakness on Mike's part.

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But no, he stands firm to what he has a consistency.

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And I'm not saying that as a positive thing.

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No, no, no.

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I believe I just pointed out, zealotry, terrifying.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So Owen Troyer is there, like I said.

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And he pops his little head in to say, hey, how's it going?

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And then he indicates that, hey, I'm into this stuff.

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I like it.

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I like it.

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We got to do it later.

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OK, all right, great.

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And then Alex, you could tell, is getting a little heated.

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There's no doubt that we have encroaching global government.

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There's no doubt that the government's out of control.

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There's no doubt that the biggest crooks in America

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are in Washington, DC.

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I think 90% of Americans would agree to that.

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Here's the problem, though.

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And Mike, I'd like to get your response to this.

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We're not in a 1776 colonists versus the British government

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time, where we're hiding in the woods.

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And we've got the local communities.

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And they don't have a world technocracy set up against us,

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or a federal government set up against us.

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I mean, I've been to jail multiple times

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for my free speech.

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You know that.

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So I mean, to sit here and say.

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Oh, you've done nothing because you didn't stand around

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in a Hawaiian shirt with a gun.

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Whoa.

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All right, Alex.

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All right, I'm not going to just let these two young dick

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wads talk around me without me asserting some dominance.

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And Alex is being a real dick.

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I mean, like.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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I'm not going to sit here and like feel bad, too bad for Mike.

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But like, you know, I can tell he's being rude.

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Alex is being rude.

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I am not winning the war of ideas somehow.

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Alex invited this guy to be on his show.

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And now he's just being a dick to him because he's

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failed to take the upper ground in this argument.

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As usual, he's pouting and he's throwing a fit.

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Yeah.

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And in this next clip, again, we return to this theme.

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It's like, if you were real, you would kill my enemies.

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But I'm telling you that the target, if Boogaloo's are real.

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I'm not saying do this.

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But if you really want a violent revolution,

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you should be calling for the Council on Foreign Relations.

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Every member should be in a deck of cards,

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the whole leadership, Richard and Haas, all the rest of them.

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And the last thing I want is anything

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to happen to Bill Gates or Richard and Haas or any of them.

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I'm just saying, if you really want to do this,

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Klaus Schwab should be the ace of spades.

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And then Bill Gates is, you know, right after that.

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OK, I'm just telling you, man, you're hitting the wrong target.

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Oh, boy.

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So you are not endorsing him.

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But you are saying, if you take out my targets, I like you.

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I will consider you real.

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You'll be real.

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Yeah, you wouldn't be you wouldn't be suspected

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of being SPLC, ADL-run false flaggers

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if only you did kill Richard and Haas.

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Listen, I'm not telling you that I want anything bad

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to happen to Bill Gates.

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But, you know.

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But I am going to use the same sort of visual metaphor

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that was used in the War on Terror, Saddam Hussein.

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Hey, hey, you know, you said, I asked you

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what the plan was.

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And you came back with, it should be my idea.

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And my idea is that you should take out these targets.

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Oh, shit, I'm in it, aren't I?

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Oh, no.

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Fuck.

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So Alex comes back from break.

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They're talking.

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And now the Proud Boys, under the bus,

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does not look like they're going to be heroes.

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Oh, god.

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Although Alex is walking a little bit of a fine line

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with this.

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Because he's not.

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He's saying that he still supports the Proud Boys

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and what have you.

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He is a Proud Boy.

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He's now lumping them in with forces

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that might have acted no good.

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Sure.

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I'm not an informant like Enrique Tarrio.

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But at the same time, I want to expose the federal forces that

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are involved in this.

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We identified Boogaloos.

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And we identified Proud Boys leading the attack

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on the capital of Antifa.

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And I'm now bringing all this out today.

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I was already intending to before this broke about Tarrio.

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Sure.

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So.

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And we have the footage.

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So no Boogaloos win the capital.

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Put it up of a Boogaloo boy walking into the capital.

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And I will.

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Hold on, they have their faces covered.

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But I mean, well, we got you saying

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you have fire teams inside the capital.

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But I'm going to ask you right now.

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Building.

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You said we're inside the capital.

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You said that doesn't mean what you said.

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DC is the capital, not the capital building.

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Capital building.

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Oh, DC is the capital.

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Oh, OK.

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Oops.

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Alex's big gotcha is a tweet.

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Or maybe it was a post on Parler.

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I'm not sure.

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But it's Mike saying that they have four fire

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teams at the capital.

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Right.

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With an A.

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Well, I don't know.

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I didn't actually see the tweet.

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But it makes sense that his explanation

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is we met the country's capital, not the building.

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Sir, sir, there are two words.

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I know they are homophones.

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They sound the same.

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Yeah, so Alex thinks that's a big gotcha

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because you have four teams inside the building.

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We were talking about Bain Capital.

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We went to the wrong building.

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I am really sorry about that.

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You see how quickly that gets resolved.

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He's like, I was talking about the city.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And he was curt about it, too.

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He didn't try and dissemble.

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He was just like, there's a difference!

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so this isn't going well.

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But Alex has blamed the Boogaloos

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as being the people who were the ones who had the zip ties.

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And they were the ones who were the actual really scary folks

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in the storming of the capital.

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They weren't the patriots.

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And Alex has said that he's proved these things.

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Yes, he has.

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He's not just saying, I think it's them.

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Pictures of you.

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Now, because this interview isn't going well,

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Alex kind of reveals that I'm just

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looking for someone to blame.

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And I decided it was you.

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Here's the deal.

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We're going to find out who these guys were

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in camo that had masks on.

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And we think they work for the FBI, OK?

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Because our president that really got elected

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is on trial in a week and a half.

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And we're pissed off about it, OK?

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And we wanted to put peaceful pressure on them

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to show our numbers.

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And we got screwed over by some people.

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We're going to find out who they are.

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You hear the headlines.

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Oh, boy.

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Oh, great.

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Yeah.

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That is not what someone would say

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if they've proved something.

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No, no.

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Nope.

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I have proven it's the Bugalo Boys.

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And we are going to find out who did it.

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And I think they work for the FBI.

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I'm pretty sure it was the FBI.

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We don't know who these people are, but we think they're FBI.

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We're going to find out.

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We're going to get to the bottom of this.

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Hey, Mike, have I ever told you about how I'm a psychic based

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on people's posture?

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It's like a body language expert,

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but I can tell from still photographs.

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Also, by the way, God gave me a vision

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30 years ago that laid all of this out for me.

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Mike, you're not really fitting into this vision.

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I'm confused.

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Mike, I think you might be working for the devil, Mike.

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You're the devil, Mike.

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Mike.

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See, now, I don't understand why he

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doesn't end every interview that doesn't go well with like,

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well, obviously, you're working for the devil, sir.

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And I must have you off my show.

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Obviously, this is a challenge that the devil

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has thrown my way.

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And I decide to rise above it.

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Click.

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Pass.

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Pass.

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The devil took Jesus into the desert for 40 days and 40

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nights, and on night one, Jesus said, nah, I'm out.

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Did you know that the devil is actually a booger boy?

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I did not know that.

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Alex proved that.

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That's fair.

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So like I said, Alex has claimed that he's

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proved all these things.

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When he's talking about it on his show,

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it's not like spitballing ideas.

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It's talking about we have definitive proof,

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sources have confirmed.

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We have the documents.

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Everything that it was, Antifa and Boogaloo Boys.

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It's all there.

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And some Q folks got tricked into going and taking selfies.

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And the Patriots were doing the right thing.

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They were fighting off Antifa.

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But they didn't actually go into the, yeah.

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They were trying to fight off Antifa.

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Oh, that's right.

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They're fighting off Antifa.

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But they got overwhelmed.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So when you hear a clip like this,

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it's just like, this is not, this is incongruous.

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We're trying to find out who the bravacaturgrips are.

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And I'll just say it.

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And I've said this.

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I'm not against the Proud Boys.

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They've been lied about.

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I don't think they're racist, all the other stuff.

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We know Proud Boys not wearing their outfits,

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not wearing their uniforms, that were

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part of the Capitol breach.

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We have tweets by you and by other people

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saying they supported the Capitol attack

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and that it was a great thing.

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Now you're kind of halfway backing off of that.

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What?

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I'm not here trying to get you arrested.

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Like who?

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My big question is, I see this Dr. Gold lady just

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going in being arrested.

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I see Brandon Straka, or Strak, being arrested when he

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was just there doing nothing.

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And then it freaks me out.

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Interesting way of putting that.

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Like who are the men in uniforms with masks

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handing out clubs saying, attack, attack, attack.

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That's my big question.

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So Alex, if he knew what was going on

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and he had the information that he claims to,

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he would not be trying to figure out

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who the provacaturgrips are.

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He would not be having the alleged leader

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of the Boogaloo's on and being like, well,

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we're just trying to spitball and figure out who did what.

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Also, there's video of Brandon Straka

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citing a crowd to steal a cop's shield.

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All he was doing was nothing.

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He's just not, he wasn't doing anything.

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He posted a video of himself yelling, take his shield.

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That's barely anything.

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What if, look, if he was in my hometown, Princeton, Illinois,

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nobody would be bothered by it.

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Right, but then they did take a guy's shield.

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OK, well, now there is that.

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There is that.

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That's hard to, I understand cause and effect.

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Brandon Straka's going to prison.

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I'm telling you, you know, cause and effect

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is really just the way we perceive

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entropy in the universe.

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So this has already happened.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think that at this point in the interview,

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you can really tell that Alex is done.

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He's been defeated.

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He doesn't have the energy.

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It's just no good.

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Too young.

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You can see, Mike Dunn, where I'm a little concerned

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and I see this going on.

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I'm worried about the idea of your movement

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that anybody can say they're a Boogaloo.

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It's like, are you for anonymous?

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Well, anybody can be anonymous.

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Are you for Q?

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Anybody can be for Q. I mean, don't you worry that.

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For Infowars.

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Are you for Antifa?

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But explain to me Boogaloo, where it came from.

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Are you worried about being taken over?

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I mean, what do you think's really happening here?

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Since Boogaloo is an ideology, it's

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not necessarily a worry of being taken over

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because if somebody doesn't embody the ideology,

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then they're not Boogaloo.

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Boogaloo started as a meme, a joke back in like 2012.

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It was just an online joke.

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And then in 2019, several people started

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making it a little more public and actually turned it

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to an ideology or belief that liberty is for all

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and we're done being tread on.

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Yeah, and it's a joke meme that turned it

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to an ideology about the need for a second Civil War.

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So I don't think we can sort of eliminate that and pretend

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that that's not a piece of this.

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I think that's fairly important.

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But Alex signaling defeat there and just being like,

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well, you know, look, I'm just trying to tell you

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that your group can be co-opted.

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That is an attempt at a trick.

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That is a false move backwards into a pose of submission.

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It's a sidestep, more like.

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Yes, because then Alex tries to get him to sort of what's

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it called?

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What's the pleading the fifth?

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Incriminate.

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Yes, self-incriminate.

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Alex is trying to get him to self-incriminate.

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Great.

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Yeah, look, look, here's my issue.

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Are you guys putting on a manifesto of targets

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because, you know, random police, capitals, that's

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I mean, that's just a seat of what the people should

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be in control of.

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I mean, I'm not calling for targets, God forbid.

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I don't want any violence.

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What about Bill Gates?

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What about Ted Turner?

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What people trying to put poison vaccines in us?

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What about the UN?

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So tell me, tell me in a deck of cards

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like Saddam Hussein was the top target, 2003.

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Like, who's the ace of spades for you guys?

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It would be ignorant to sit here and release a manifesto

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or say this is a target.

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Yeah, so let's not mention any real evil kingpins, right?

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I'm not going to allow you to be in the same,

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something like that.

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Say that again?

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I'm not going to allow you to go be in the same,

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something like that.

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That would be ridiculous.

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Oh, like the Southern Poverty Law Center

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does posing as malicious, goading people into stuff?

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Maybe you're Scott Hill.

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Oh, maybe.

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Oh, maybe I am.

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Oh, shit.

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Listen, what I'm telling you is I'm going to save this country.

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OK.

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This is the Spider-Man meme.

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This is.

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This is the Spider-Man meme.

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It's just what this is.

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Oh, I'm the bad guy.

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No, you're the bad guy.

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All right, this isn't going well for me.

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So tell me who you want to kill on there.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Alex, that's a stupid idea.

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I'm not going to do that.

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Oh, look at you.

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Look at you.

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Oh, you're SPL.

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That's what you are.

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Oh, my God.

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That is so funny.

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Yeah, but I mean, like, God bless.

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I mean, like, God bless.

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I don't know how I would phrase it.

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It shows some wherewithal for Mike

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to recognize, like, I'm not going to talk like this on air.

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Yeah, no, I think it's a good.

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I would say nice move.

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If this was Bobby Fischer versus Kasparov,

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it would be like, nice move, sir.

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It would be an unnecessary error to make.

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It would be a blunder, in fact, to continue the chess metaphor.

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So Alex, I think he also makes it a little too

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obvious in this conversation that this is personal.

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Like, this really feels personal.

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And in this clip, Alex is going to express

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that by way of being like, hey, I'm the real person fighting

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for liberty, and you can prove that because a bunch of people

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are suing me.

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Is anyone suing you, Mike?

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That's fair.

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I want to save this country, and running around storming

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capitals is not the way to do it.

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Either the courts or not, Alex, the country is not safe.

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Let me ask you a question.

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Do you have 50 Democratic lawsuits against you?

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What to say again?

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Do you have the Democratic Party financing your destruction

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like I do?

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I don't know, nor do I care.

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I'm going to stand by what I do.

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No, I'm asking you, see, why am I under so much attack?

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Because I know nothing.

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I'm this coward.

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I thought it was because you were a piece of shit.

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I've never done anything.

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And you're this, because you walk around with a gun,

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it's like, oh my god, I'm supposed

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to fall down on my knees.

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And like, holy hell, this is my leader.

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I mean, seriously, you keep telling me that I stood down.

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You said, my generation stood down.

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Bull.

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My generation didn't stand down.

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It's the fact that you're doing the same thing

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that's been done for years, and it's not

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accomplishing anything.

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The only thing that's going to accomplish

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is forcing a revolution.

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I am not doing the same thing.

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I'm not Democrat, Republican.

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I'm exposing the globalist program.

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Do you understand that information is powerful?

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They're scared of it?

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You're talking.

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That's all you're doing.

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You're doing the same thing that's been done for years.

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So now you are admitting you told people

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to storm the Capitol.

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Because you're not like me, a coward.

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You're a big man.

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You are a woman.

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I have not told anybody to storm the Capitol.

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I've preached revolution, and I always will.

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So Alex is trying to, again, incriminate him.

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He's trying to get him in this thing where it's like, oh, you

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told people to storm the Capitol.

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Because then, like, afterwards, Alex

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can still use that for his narratives

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if he gets him into that box.

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Right.

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And not least of which, he wants this guy emotional.

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Yes.

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He wants this guy to be like, no, I did tell

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people to storm the Capitol.

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Yeah, whereas there's a poise to it just being like,

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no, you guys, you are engaging in the same sort of shit

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that doesn't achieve any of the goals you profess to have,

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and we're going to force a revolution.

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Now, that idea there is the accelerationist idea.

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The force of revolution is not something that is,

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it's not what goes well with the public-facing idea

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of the Boogaloo types that want you to think like, oh, we're

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just here standing around making sure nothing gets out of control.

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Right.

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It's like, no, you're there because you

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want to force a revolution.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And you want something to go bad,

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and people start shooting each other.

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Right.

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And I think one of the most difficult things for Alex

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is he doesn't understand that their agenda begins

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with revolution.

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There's no, like, I don't think they

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care what strikes it either.

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If it was a left-wing cause, they would be like,

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yeah, let's go and the revolution

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is what their goal is.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So you can't really be like, oh, see, you're so stupid.

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And it's like, no, we just didn't succeed yet.

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The goal is still a revolution.

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We're not changing our goal because we lose.

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Yeah, and I would say that based on this reporting in Reuters,

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if accurate, is counter to what Mike

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is presenting here on the show.

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And I have some question about that.

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I don't know what the reality is.

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I wasn't there.

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But it does seem to be like, at least a reason to be like,

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I don't think that you're above board.

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I don't think that you're being honest here.

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Now, here's where things turn a little bit more hostile.

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Alex brings up that the Boogaloo types

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were trying to get a second march going

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after January 6, an armed march in DC.

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Alex conflates Boogaloo types and Mike personally

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and is accusing Mike of trying to get people

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to do an armed march while they sit back and watch

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the chaos happen.

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And Mike.

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Mike, you're pulling a me, right?

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And Mike calls Alex a liar.

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The Boogaloo supreme leadership, whoever they are,

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said, go to DC the weekend after the 6 and have armed marches.

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But you guys didn't show up.

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So you were trying to get other people to come into DC.

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And she could sit back and eat popcorn and watch that.

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Or was that not the Boogaloo that said that?

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It's the word you like, Alex.

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It's called a psyop, brother.

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Oh, a psyop.

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So you're not going to respond to the stack of tweets

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I've got and messages from you saying,

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we're going to have an armed march three days after the 6.

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Yeah, Alex, you're a liar.

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Show the tweet where I said we're going to have an armed march.

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Oh, shit.

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Show the tweet where I said.

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So the Boogaloo's did not call.

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They didn't say, armed march is still on for DC.

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We're going to have it.

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Show the tweet where I said there's going to be an armed march.

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I'm at the Boogaloo lordship.

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Well, you said you're not the lordship.

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I said I'm not the leader, correct.

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Oh, so you don't have any problems or anything.

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Have you ever been to the ADL or Southern Poverty Law Center

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headquarters?

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I don't care to go to any of those places

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because I can care less about them.

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So Alex is now just like, this is falling apart.

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Yeah.

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Alex was conflating other Boogaloo people

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and this guy personally.

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And this guy calls it out that you're saying that I did this.

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I didn't do that.

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And Alex realizes like, ah, shit.

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I did just get called out on that sleight of hand.

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Hey, have you ever been to the SPLC Center?

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To tangentially imply that you're an agent provocateur,

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I'm not even going to say it.

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I'm going to be like, hey, you ever been to these places?

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Yeah, this is soft.

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Weak tea.

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Weak tea.

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So Alex now goes out to break and he thinks

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he's won a little bit.

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I think he thinks he's got some win back.

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He's saved face.

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Because he's made some suggestion.

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And then he also got Mike to say that an armed march on DC

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a week after the storming of the Capitol

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would be an unwise strategic move.

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And somehow this is hypocritical,

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although I think Alex agrees.

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I don't know what's going on anymore.

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I have said that no armed march in DC.

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And armed march in DC would be unwise.

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I said that repeatedly.

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Well, good.

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Good for you.

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I remember the Boogaloo said that.

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So wait, I thought you were a man of action, though.

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You just said that I'm the coward.

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You're the man of action.

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Wise action.

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Wise action.

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Wise action.

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I go to Capitol so we can punk the police department,

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punk City Council.

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You told me earlier that we should not follow the law.

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You said I'm a coward.

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I follow the law.

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You don't follow the law because you're for revolution.

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Correct.

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I am for revolution.

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But I am for a wise revolution, which

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is where we go to these capitals, we punk the PDs,

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we punk the City Councils that want to make unlawful cops.

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We punk the PDs.

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Yeah, because the local cops are our issue.

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All right, all right.

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Hey, you are the Boogaloo, lordship.

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We're going to come right back if you're still here with us.

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You hear that laughing because Alex

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thinks like he's got a dog.

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Got him.

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Got him.

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I finally got him.

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Don't think so.

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Don't think you got anything there.

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No, I'm very bored with this conversation.

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I'm annoyed by it.

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It sounds way too much like a fucking Philosophy 101

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course where they're like, well, I'm for platonic ideals

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and I'm for existentialism.

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And it's like you're both stupid.

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I don't appreciate this.

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And this is even worse because you guys are not

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arguing about philosophy.

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You're like, how do we kill all these people?

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I think that I can relate to what you're talking about

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in that I think it's very stupid and it's a frustrating

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conversation to listen to.

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But I do still think that there's an importance to it.

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Oh, no, that's what I'm saying.

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OK, well, we're talking about how to kill everyone.

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Right.

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And you're also seeing just yet another example

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of how the ecosystems that have been spawned

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by people like Alex have now outgrown them

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to a point where they are able to embarrass him.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The young eat the old, Dan.

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It's how it's always going to go.

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It does feel a bit like that.

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There is a theme of that.

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So they come back as Mike did not

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leave after Alex routinely insulted him and suggested

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that he went to the SPLC.

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Sure.

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And Mike repays the favor by blowing up

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one of Alex's narratives and makes it clear that Antifa

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was not at the Capitol.

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Uh-oh.

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What I said was I would not encourage an open arm march

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on DC, which is what I've said repeatedly, because I find it

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a poor tactical plan, a poor strategy.

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So I know you like blowing things out of proportion

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and trying to pay me as the bad guy or pay me as illogical.

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But I've been consistent with what I'm saying.

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You just keep trying to twist out, man.

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No, Mike.

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I'm trying to find out who the guys in camo

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are that lead the attack with Antifa

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and then get a few, maybe 100 idiots to go in with them

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so that they can destroy the peaceful movement.

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Look, I've been around quite a few Antifa.

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There are some Antifa that are good.

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The majority we've not had good interactions with,

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we do not support.

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But there are some that are good.

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But I've interacted with a lot of Antifa.

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And I can assure you that they were not

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Antifa that were on that front line in that Capitol riot.

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So trying to find somebody to point fingers at,

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you're failing when you're pointing at Antifa.

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They were not there.

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Oh, I'm failing.

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Even though they arrested an Antifa leader that

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said he brought 100 there, I saw a bunch of skinny jean guys

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helping do it.

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Oh, so this was all Trump people.

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Yeah, it's called an op, Alex, the same thing

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that you preached about.

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What's an op?

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It's not.

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It's not.

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It's simply not true.

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Oh, so OK.

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So should Trump be arrested for inciting this?

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Probably.

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I think there are a lot of other problems

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that Trump should be arrested for.

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I don't believe he incited the insurrection at the Capitol.

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No, but I believe there's a lot of other crimes

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he should be arrested for.

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So have you ever met?

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Have you ever talked to Southern Poverty Law Center?

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I don't believe so.

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Maybe I talk to a lot of people.

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A lot of people call me, ask questions, reporters, agencies.

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I have no clue.

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Oh, and you want to put any bookends on this?

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I mean, this is just a mess.

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That's just a dude giving up.

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He asks him a second time, have you been to the SPLC?

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Brutal.

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Talk to them.

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And now he's just like, Owen, you got anything?

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See, now that's the problem with getting

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that brief moment of victory.

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It makes the gut punch loss all the worse.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And Owen doesn't do much better.

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He starts talking about now that Trump is out,

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maybe there's some stuff we can do.

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Now we can argue about it.

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Maybe there's some stuff we can do, now we

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can organize against war.

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Sure, sure.

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Thanks, Owen.

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And this actually brings up Mike having a decent point.

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And that is like, you could have done that before.

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We have to become unified.

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So we can organize against the wars,

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against the surveillance, against the mask,

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against the forced inoculation.

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I think that's a positive thing.

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Let me ask Lord Boogaloo, do you agree with that, Lord Boogaloo?

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So I'm 100% clear.

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You're cool with the tyranny.

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It's the tyranny that you like, which would be Donald Trump.

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I just want to make sure I'm tracking on that.

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So you're not actually against tyranny.

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You're not actually for revolution.

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You're only for doing it when somebody is in office

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that you don't agree with.

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Wait a minute, wait a minute.

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I just talked about all of us unifying

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against forced inoculations of Joe Biden.

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Trump's gone.

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You wouldn't do it like Trump was in office

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because you didn't stand against Trump.

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You stood for the very time.

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Well, I didn't stand around.

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I didn't stand around with a gun in front of stuff and say,

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hold on now.

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That's another cheap shot, Mr. Fireteam.

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We have fire teams in the Capitol.

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We have taken the Capitol.

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We are commando based Delta.

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Come on, don't get mad, Mr. Dumb.

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We're back in 60 seconds.

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Alex is complaining about cheap shots

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and he keeps calling him Lord Boogaloo and like the high master.

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Mr. Dumb?

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Mr. Dumb?

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Mr. Dumb.

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Oh, Mr. Dumb.

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I thought he said Mr. Dumb.

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No, that would have been too far.

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I was like, wow, you ended with Mr. Dumb, huh?

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OK.

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But yeah, so they're talking about unity and unifying.

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And it's like, we can now get together with folks

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and fight against the war and all this.

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And Mike's point is pretty fair that it's like, well,

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you had no interest in reaching out to any other groups

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when Trump was in office.

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You weren't concerned with what inroads

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you could make with cooperation because that's

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the tyranny that you enjoy.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Which again, is a good point.

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I don't want it coming from him.

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No, no, no.

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He's essentially saying your belief system is incoherent

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and Alex is proving it.

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And Alex is trying to say his belief system is incoherent

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and he's proving that it's not.

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They're awful.

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All of them are awful.

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But when you have a coherent belief system

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and you are in an interview with someone who doesn't,

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they're going to be like a wave on the mountain.

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So you've got nothing.

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Yeah.

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And Alex totally misses the point

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that Mike was trying to make about how like, oh, yeah,

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all this stuff, these real problems

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that you could have found common cause with some other group

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that maybe you politically disagree with.

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He had no interest in any kind of unity before,

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but now you do because Trump is not in office anymore.

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He completely misses that point.

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So the problem is, oh, and it's the same thing

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I've seen with Republicans across the border,

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people who identify as conservative or white.

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Is that you're all for unity when it fits your idea.

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You're all for, oh, let's ally with Black Lives Matter

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or let's be friends with Black Lives Matter

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because we got a stand against the government

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because Joe Biden's in office

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and his administration controls.

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Where was that unity when Trump infringed

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upon the Second Amendment?

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But that's not fair, though.

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That's not fair.

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I didn't work with Black Lives Matter.

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You did, Boogie Lou.

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That's exactly the point that Mike is making.

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Yes, exactly.

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Yeah.

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How can you both call for unity now

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and then proudly say,

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I would never work with Black Lives Matter.

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And I didn't before.

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Exactly.

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Because I have, wait, what was I saying?

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And then he calls him Boogie Lou.

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More pejorative.

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So we've already seen a couple of instances

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of Alex trying to paint Mike

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as a Southern Poverty Law Center collaborator.

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And now Alex pulls out, he will talk to the FBI.

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Okay.

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Let's ask this question of the Grand Boogaloo.

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What comes next in the Boogaloo universe?

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Or is there no, it's an ideology.

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Who creates, who's the high priest?

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Who creates the ideology?

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Or does it just flow forth from where?

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It's autonomous.

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And the next thing is unity.

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Unifying the lower bodies,

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the people that were subject to this globalism

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that you speak of and this elitist mentality

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that is running the US through our governmental officials.

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It's unifying those people

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and getting ready to stand physically

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to defend our rights, our life,

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liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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Well, I mean, I think people have a right to stand up

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and I think they should.

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Let me ask you this.

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Have you been contacted by the FBI?

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Yes, I have.

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You're not, you're not,

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there's a joke in the Boogaloo that you're not Boogaloo.

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You know, you haven't been questioned.

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So the FBI has been all over us.

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So what'd the FBI say?

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What'd they come to you about?

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They like asking questions, that's all.

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And I don't like giving them answers.

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So if that paints a good picture for you, I hope it does.

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Well, I just think what happened at the Capitol

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was called screwing the pooch

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and it ruined the great thing we had set up

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and it gave the left a major victory.

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I was really hoping to blame you for it.

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I was really hoping this interview would end up

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with me being able to blame you for it,

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but you have been going circles around me.

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I guess you're an FBI informant

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or maybe you're working for the FBI.

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I don't know.

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You mean, just go away.

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I think Alex expected some caginess or some non-answer

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when he asked if you've talked to the FBI.

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Of course I have.

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Yeah, the FBI is coming for me.

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Duh, I'm voluntarily and loudly calling for a revolution.

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Of course the FBI is coming for me.

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I've talked to them and I stonewall them.

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The only reason I've been murdered is because I'm white.

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So Mike at this point has to clarify to Alex

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because Alex is trying to pretend

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that they aren't anti-globalist

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because they don't target the same people

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that Alex does and they haven't killed Bill Gates yet.

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And so Mike has to clarify

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that they're opposed to the New World Order

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and then this goes way off the rails.

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The Capitol is a symbol of us voting.

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Just because it's been captured

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doesn't mean we attack that.

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The New World Order,

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I'm not trying to get you to go attack people.

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I'm just saying, if I saw a movement saying

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we're going after Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab

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and the Rothschilds, the New World Order

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and the CFR building in New York,

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I'd say those guys are real.

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They're about to get a fight.

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Because about 10 minutes after you said that,

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they would be having the HRT SWAT teams

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will be coming after your ass.

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Within a day, you're going to get a SWAT team.

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Alex, what have I said repeatedly?

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I have said repeatedly that we stand against

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the globalist and the elites

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that continue to control this country.

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So when you're saying,

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oh, if I saw people that run after that,

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we'd literally stand against it.

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We stand against the pedophilia that's prevalent in Hollywood.

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We stand against media controlling people.

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We stand against the elitists that run our government.

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We stand against the money that run our government.

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It's just that we're going in a slightly different way

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than what you agree with.

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All I wanted to come on here and say, Alex,

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if you'll allow me to finish real quick,

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all I wanted to come on here and say, man,

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is these people out there putting in the work,

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you know, you called them CIA ops,

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you said release the boogaloo.

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You know, you like to make your jokes,

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but these people are legitimate people

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who are putting in the work

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and believing in what they stand for.

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There are people in the boogaloo movement

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who don't agree with me.

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There are people in the boogaloo movement

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who are different than me,

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but these people put in works.

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They're not CIA ops.

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They don't work for the CIA.

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They're not unwiddling CIA sources.

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And they're not controlled opposition.

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Like sometimes you appear to be.

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We are legitimate people who believe

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in what we stand for.

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That's all I want to say.

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Oh, I'm controlled opposition.

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There you are, Alex.

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I'm controlled.

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Who gives me my orders?

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Please tell me.

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I do believe you're 100% controlled opposition, Alex.

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That's why you'll never preach anything

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besides peaceful and legal, lawful,

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wonderful hunky dory ways of protest.

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Okay, so I'm not the one saying

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we got fire teams in the Capitol

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and then you guys haven't been indicted

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and then they're trying to indict me

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and then you're sitting there

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literally saying I'm getting orders

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from a higher level group,

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which is not the case.

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Look at my eyes.

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I take orders from God.

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That's it.

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You understand that?

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You fired the one good man you had

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and that was David Knight.

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I do believe you were controlled opposition, Alex.

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Oh no.

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Oh no.

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Once again, bad HR decisions

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come back to haunt Alex.

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Ah, I never thought I'd hear that said in seriousness.

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20-year-old Boogaloo boy coming in like,

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you're controlled opposition

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because you fired David Knight.

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Oh boy, oh boy.

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Yep, yep, yep, yep.

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Oh man, if only, if only.

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This is the one time where if he had just listened

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to that Stevie P's broadcast,

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he could have just been like,

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Steve literally said he's been manipulating you

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this entire time.

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Yeah.

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You're so easy.

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Of course you're controlled opposition.

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Well, I mean, I don't know.

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I think that the term is loaded.

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Oh yeah, yeah, totally.

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I wouldn't say that.

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I'm saying from his point.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think the term controlled opposition is so loaded

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because it implies like state control or something.

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And I don't know.

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I don't see compelling evidence

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that Alex is like working for the feds

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or something like that.

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But he is unreliable opposition.

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Yeah.

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Maybe not controlled opposition,

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but he is a persuadable opposition.

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Sure.

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He's influenceable by people who play games

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with his ego in particular,

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his sense of self-importance.

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Those are things that are real soft spots for him.

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And Steve's such a good example of that.

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Yeah.

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I would be interested to know if we discover a new thing

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that he's so weak to,

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which is being belittled,

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being forced to like,

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do you think this is going to make him have to be like,

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well, fine, I will act more aggressively

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in order to look cool to these idiots?

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I don't know.

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I mean, you would think that our show

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would be a part of his psychosis.

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Yeah, that's true.

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If that were the case.

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That's true.

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So I've made a career out of belittling him.

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He's not trying to impress us.

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That's something I was thinking about.

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Yeah.

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One of the things that's particularly dangerous about this

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or something that makes it more difficult for Alex

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is that if he had somebody who was like an Antifa person on,

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he could berate them and humiliate them,

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hit the pause button.

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He can't really do that to somebody who has credibility

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in the right-wing world, in quotes.

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Somebody who might have access to an audience

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of right-wing people that could like Alex.

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Yeah, I mean, it's a weird thing to pop up into my brain,

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but I was just thinking about how in World War II,

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one of the big issues with the Japanese command

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was that the higher-ups didn't want to lose face

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in front of their subordinates.

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So the subordinates were driving overall policy

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by having this hardcore stance that was imparted upon them

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by the leadership.

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And then the leadership realizing that they were fucked

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couldn't then say like, okay, we're fucked

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because the subordinates would be like,

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you guys are a bunch of cowards.

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So it created this kind of feedback loop

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where the more extreme elements were,

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even though ostensibly they were under the command

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of someone else,

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they were the force that was driving policy at that time.

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That sounds like the right win.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So Alex has been called controlled opposition

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and he did not take kindly to that.

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And this is Owen's cue to step in and cool things down.

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Sure.

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And so he tries to, hey guys.

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Hey, we're all friends here.

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We all want to end up-

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We all want a violent revolution.

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We all want to kill all of our enemies.

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Look, we want this, but we got to do it later.

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Exactly.

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That's his whole thing.

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I've been arrested for my peaceful protest.

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I'm calling for, we have to awaken 50 million,

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a hundred million, 200 million Americans

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before you can ever even think about doing

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a finger lick of violence in this country

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and have a chance at victory.

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That's all I'm saying.

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Well, it doesn't matter.

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We've done some good radio here

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and had some thought provoking things.

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What?

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And I'm not going to do cheap-

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Of all the things you've done.

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You're a well-spoken person and you have,

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I mean, I think you believe what you're saying.

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And so we'll continue to watch the situation

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as it unfolds.

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And I appreciate you coming up here

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and defending your ideas.

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That's all I can say.

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But yeah, it's pretty hilarious.

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So I built this whole thing myself.

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I did it with our listeners and I'm so proud

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of the fact that I'm independent

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and I don't trust people that aren't independent.

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And that's what we're all about.

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You're mad.

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Also, I like the idea that he's saying,

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I'm not going to take cheap shots

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after an hour of cheap shots.

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Totally.

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I'm personally offended by him saying

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that they did great radio.

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Oh, great radio.

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Personally offended.

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Solid radio.

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Absolutely.

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That is the least true thing either of them

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have said this entire time.

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Well, I will say that as somebody

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who listens to a ton of Infowars,

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I think it was at least more interesting than usual.

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Okay.

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I don't think it's good.

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And I think it's actually really dangerous.

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And I think it's a negative thing.

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But in terms of actual content,

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looking at it as somebody who's external

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and recognizes nefarious motives on both sides,

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it is interesting to see the clash of agendas.

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Oh, well, listen, Mr. Dunn,

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we've done D minus radio today,

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which is way above what we're used to.

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So I think we're going to call this one an interview.

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I think that there's a decent chance

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you've humiliated me like crazy in front of my audience.

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Yeah.

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I don't feel confident at the end of this.

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And I probably extended it too long

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because I thought I could win in the end.

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And boy, do I hope it drives traffic

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because then maybe I'll sell some pills.

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Yeah.

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So now Mike leaves and Alex,

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I guess now is aware of other things

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that he should have brought up.

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They talked for an hour.

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And he didn't deny that's his.

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So he lied in front of everyone.

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He's a disgusting little rat.

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What?

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And I challenged him to come back on the show tomorrow.

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Oh, my God.

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Because I meant to get to this

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and I forgot about it while it was on.

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Yeah. Okay.

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So Alex now has other posts and stuff.

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I should have brought this up.

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You had a fucking hour.

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I forgot to get to it.

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I forgot to get to it.

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I asked him twice if he's talked to the SPLC.

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I had printed out a stack of 30 tweets,

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single tweet per page.

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And I just forgot to get to all of them.

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I frequently brought up

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how he should be killing Bill Gates if he's real.

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But I forgot to have my evidence

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that he's a dirty little rat.

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And now I don't know exactly

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what Alex is even bringing up in that context,

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nor do I particularly care.

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No.

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But I don't necessarily think that Alex is wrong

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that he wasn't a totally good faith actor

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in his interview.

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Totally.

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Like, I do think that Mike was being

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a little bit disingenuous now.

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Alex is being full disingenuous.

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Well, I mean, you can't trust a zealot.

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A zealot has every justification

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for lying in service of zealotry.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Well, there's one thing you can do with a zealot.

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In fact, I challenge Mike Dunn

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to a bare knuckles boxing match in a ring.

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I'm 47.

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He's 27.

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I mean, he thinks he's so freaking tough all day long.

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Let's do it.

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Give the money to charity.

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I am so sick of all these wannabe tough guys

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running their fat mouths all day

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about how badass they are.

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Boy, look, I don't care one way or the other,

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but Alex, that dude will murder you.

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That dude will absolutely fucking murder you.

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All it would take is a little bit of ducking and dodging.

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Alex would burn out his cardio so fast

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to the point where he couldn't even keep his hands up.

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It's hard to fight for a long time.

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And by a long time, I mean 30 seconds.

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If you're 20 years old and you're boxing

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a very much out of shape Alex Jones,

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like 47-year-old dude.

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With sleep apnea.

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Yeah, allegedly.

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Maybe not.

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Maybe not. Apologies.

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Apologies.

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But he does have a thick neck.

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Yes.

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Like, yeah, okay.

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You don't want him to connect on the first shot.

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No.

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But if you duck that, if you dodge the first couple swings he takes,

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he's done.

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Yeah.

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This isn't a four minute 40 situation

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where you can still go 10 rounds.

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This is a dude who will absolutely destroy you.

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It would be satisfying to watch in a perverse way.

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Yeah.

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So Alex talks to Pete Santilli, who is the guy who got arrested after the

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Malheur standoff.

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Because he's apparently now an expert on FBI infiltration on stuff.

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And so Alex needs to sort of feel better about himself

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after getting clowned by this Boogaloo dude.

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And afterwards, Alex realizes like,

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ah, right, fine, I don't want to box you.

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You know, I think Owen's been right since the first hour.

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Trying to guide me back to not fight with the Boogaloos and not fight with the Proud

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Boys, which I'm not fighting with any of those groups.

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I love the Proud Boys.

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I agree with a lot of stuff the Boogaloos say.

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I just see a fertile ground for the feds to set us up.

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And you know what?

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Fine, everybody wants a revolution.

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You're trying to set him up.

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It was all a joke about Mike Dunn in the boxing match.

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I saw that stuff with, what's his name?

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I've been on the show.

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What's it called?

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Logan Paul.

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Logan Paul and the other Paul guy.

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Logan Paul and I forget the other guys.

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That's like the biggest news in the country

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because they do the boxing matches.

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It was a joke.

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OK, I don't really want to fight you.

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You'd you'd definitely be really embarrassing.

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Awful.

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I'd be humiliated in front of my heart.

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Yeah, probably.

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I'd have at least a black eye.

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There's no doubt you'd knock out all of the teeth I've been grinding.

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Yeah, yeah, I could use some new teeth.

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Uh, hey, look, here's the deal.

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Yeah.

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Oh, and Owen's right.

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Cooler heads should prevail.

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I do think that I see the Boogaloo's as a way for the FBI and the man to set us up.

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Now, granted, I've been spending weeks on my show using them as a fall guy

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for the storming of the Capitol, which is kind of the same thing.

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I literally tried to get one to commit to a target on my air.

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I tried to make him incriminate himself.

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I implied heavily and repeatedly that he works for the globalist secretly.

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Yeah.

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I failed.

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And I guess we'll be friends now.

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So embarrassing.

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What an, like, just ineffective, bad, like, there's nothing good that can come of this.

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I don't even know what Alex expected in terms of, like, a positive outcome from this.

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Although I do think it's really, really funny that Alex is doing this like,

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eh, I guess calmer heads got to prevail and we got to be friends with these people

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that I have already said are awful.

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And, wow, the intro music that's playing is The Doors.

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Don't play with me because you're playing with fire.

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I hate everyone.

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I hate everyone.

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There's an intern.

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There's an intern who knows what's up.

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Oh, it's got to be.

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For sure.

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Thematically, that is really funny.

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Too on the nose.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, like I said, this is sort of going to be a two-parter into Monday.

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Right.

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And one of the reasons is because I do know that at least someone from The Boogaloo Folk

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was on the show on Thursday.

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All right.

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I did not have enough time before we needed to record in order to get that already for

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Friday's episode, but that will be on Monday.

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So, we'll be back on Monday for part two of this.

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I haven't come up with a good pun, like the Caravanity Project.

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That's trouble.

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But trust me, by Monday, I will have a great pun.

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Was there a Breakin' Three?

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Let's find out.

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Yeah, that's a good question.

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I don't know.

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Breakin' Three.

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Rubber Boogaloo.

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I don't know.

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Breaking Bad season three.

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All right.

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Breaking Bad season three.

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I like that one.

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Monday.

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Breaking Bad season three.

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We're having a great time.

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Yeah, I'll come up with a better pun.

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Nope.

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Blackjack.

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There was no date.

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Ah, shit.

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Yeah, you're gonna get this game one of these days.

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Someday.

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So, I think that there's some fun to be had by listening to this in terms of seeing somebody

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mirror a lot of Alex's shit back to him in a way that Alex can't really deal with,

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can't really respond to.

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It's funny to hear him say, hey, you're probably controlled opposition, which also

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implies that he thought that at the beginning of the interview, which is weird.

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Why even go if you think he's controlled opposition?

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I don't know.

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Or why not make that the thing you bring up first?

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I think because if he brought that up first, he wouldn't get the chance to defend Boogalooing.

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It would immediately become like, I'm not controlled opposition, here's all the blah, blah, blah.

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That's probably true.

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And it does give a bit of a coloring to the beginning of the interview.

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Totally.

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Where the poise that he's showing or the kind of lack of concern with the way Alex is portraying

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him may come from a place of like, I don't even believe you're real.

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Yeah, I mean, it could also definitely come from a place where, I mean, obviously he had

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quotes from Alex.

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It could come from a place of preparation.

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If you believe that you're going on a show that's controlled opposition, I imagine you'd

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be like, okay, then I have to find a way to defeat that.

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Otherwise there's no point in going on the show.

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Or failing defeating that.

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Yeah, exploiting it.

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Existing that place in a way that I can achieve my goals while not falling into the traps

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that will be set for me.

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Like, hey, do you work for the SPLC?

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I think that he did that.

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And I actually think that that's why this is dangerous.

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Because I think that Mike successfully navigated the terrain of Alex Jones' shitty interview

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style and was given a place where he could appear to be the person who lives Alex Jones'

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ideals.

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And I would not be surprised if that was not an effective recruitment tool to anybody listening

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to Alex's show.

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And that's bad.

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And Alex should recognize, intentional or not, that is the effect that this sort of

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thing has.

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Thanks, okay.

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The Boogaloo's should pay Alex for this, quite frankly.

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Well, and then there's just that known psychological exploit in humanity where he sounds so confident.

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He sounds like a true believer.

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And he's laying out stuff in a way where you're like, I guess revolution has to happen somewhere.

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And Alex can't refute that.

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Exactly.

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He can't disagree with it.

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Owen's best thing is like, well, later.

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Later, yeah, great.

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That's a dumb argument.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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And you have it in opposition to or in juxtaposition with this guy who he's saying, I used to look

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up to you.

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You were my hero.

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The Alex Jones that I grew up listening to, creating that differentiation between the

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Alex Jones I grew up listening to and this person I'm talking to, who is Alex Jones in

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the present, is damning.

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Like, it's...

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No, it's hard to...

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He got clowned.

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It's hard not to look at that like 23 and under generation and not see people who were

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birthed in the misinformation age.

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You know, like we lived through it.

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They were born of it, you know?

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So that ability to have that...

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High speed misinformation.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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His misinformation was still going around in newsletters when we were kids.

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Totally, but like the information era we live in, like they're not going to be cowed by

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old media.

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It's just not going to happen.

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And Alex's old media.

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Exactly.

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Anyway, we'll see what happens on the Thursday show.

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Will the bare knuckle boxing match that has been canceled happen?

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Wait for Breaking Bad season three to find out.

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Yes, we'll be back.

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But until then, Jordan, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at knowledgefight.com.

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Now go to Betjordan.

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Or Facebook.

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We are on Facebook.

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And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people

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doing God's work.

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Yeah, we'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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Daryl Rundis.

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I sometimes forget that I'm Daryl Rundis.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.