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Hello Alex, I'm a diver fan, huge fan

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I love your work

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love you hey everybody welcome back to fight knowledge I'm Jordan I'm Dan hey

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and this is a podcast where I start making up nonsense about people and we

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see what happens okay hey Dan hi Jordan how are you doing great I got a question

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for you what's that what is your thing for the day that is brightening your

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spirits in this trying time we all find ourselves I I have been it is good to

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spend time with my partner I love her very much she's kind of you know we're

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all kind of getting used to this circumstance but a having her has really

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made this a lot a lot easier oh it's great me from going crazy how about you

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happy for you yeah thank you mine's gonna be a little bit less emotionally

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resonant I stumbled across some videos on you don't worry she doesn't listen

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to us I stumbled across some videos on YouTube by this this pro skateboarder

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from Switzerland named Johnny Geiger okay and what he does he has a series of

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videos where he he's a professional skateboarder he's good at skateboarding

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okay well yeah what he does he has a series where he's trying to recreate the

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tricks that Rodney Mullen did these really difficult tricks from like

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classic skate videos trying to do them himself okay and I find them so

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endearing okay seems like a pretty cool guy is a good bright personality and one

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of the things that I really like about these videos is that there really is

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celebration of process okay like you see him fail like repeatedly okay and like

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trying to figure out how to do the trick there's like a long learning curve

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through it and then the eventual payoff of hard work you know winning out and

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he does the trick right so it's going to be impossible there's there's so hard to

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do right and you know just perseverance pushing through when you fall over and

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over and over and over and over again yeah and the other thing too is like

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through that failure you see the the incremental progress you see like oh

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that little part of the trick he's figured out now how to do that yeah yeah

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but he's still falling at the end right right right really find that brightening

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I really I really enjoy it because I could have just posted the successful

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trick yeah and he probably would have gotten a shit ton of views out of that

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people watch all those little clips way better in the structure that it is yeah

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yeah yeah and I enjoy it it's been a night and it's like outdoors and

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Switzerland yeah gorgeous it looks nice music's great so I have no idea who this

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dude is I've never heard of him until a couple days ago but I can't stop

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watching these videos or he tries to recreate these tricks that's really cool

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shout out to Johnny guy hey hey Sonia do you know him she's in Sweden she can't

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that's a different place I don't know what that means but that's my bad yeah

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that's alright uh anyways I Dan I've taken over yeah that's true we're doing

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a reverse fight knowledge episode and I figured that since we talk almost I'm

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done I'm done with Marc Moreno by the way oh that's good I'm gonna be sick and

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tired yeah well before you get down to business I'll let you take the wheel but

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before you do we got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have

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I'm a policy wonk Thank You Michael G next Roger thank you so much you're now

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policy wonk I'm a policy wonk thanks Roger I just learned as someone posted

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that Roger Stone is on cameo and so you can pay him to record of course you can

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very close I've been trying to think like what I would want Roger Stone to

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say and it's you know I feel like there's already audio of a lot of things

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I want to hear yeah yeah I think I would just want to have him read a list of

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words just like completely out of just poopy pants outdoors I would just enjoy

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very very now I bequeath the show Jordan here we go so you you've done this a

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couple times now I mean it's like 400 still fucking up the first part of the

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episode so this is your third yeah let's two of them have been complaining about

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Mark Marino and climate change right so everyone's probably expecting that

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that's what you're going to talk about and honestly I've seen the clip names I

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have no idea yeah I do what you're about to tell me about um so here is a here's

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what I want to talk about since we have talked almost exclusively about people

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who either don't believe in what they're saying uh-huh maybe believe in what

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they're saying but either way are acting completely differently and then what

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that's real I wanted to see what would happen if we talked about people who

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actually believe what they're talking about all right I also oh man I see a

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name in here and I hope it's who I think it is but I'm sure it's not we'll see

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yeah uh yeah so uh I mean might as well go ahead and play are out about context

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drop I think the Pope needs to seek Donald Trump's forgiveness for saying

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such an outlandish thing okay do you know who we're talking about not entirely

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sure I mean he has the voice of a televangelist he is a televangelist yes

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sir okay I went the opposite direction with this they actually believe what

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they say uh-huh I thought you meant it with someone who has a good opinion and

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believes absolutely no I thought this was going to be like an uplifting these

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people are not a chance I am not sure who this this fella is so is it is it I

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know it's not Pat Robertson no and I know it's not Jack Van Impe it is not

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him I don't know it is Robert Jeffers okay he's the head pastor of First

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Baptist Church of Dallas and I I started looking into him because I wanted to

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talk about religion or something along those lines I was looking for something

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to talk about and I had this idea of what are we what are we talking about

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if we talk about somebody who believes what they're talking about so when I

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talk about belief I don't know if dr. Robert Jeffers or any I'm gonna talk

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about a few televangelists today I don't know if they actually in their heart of

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hearts believe this bullshit it's almost impossible to tell exactly but the guys

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that I am going to talk about have all actually lived their lives according to

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these principles so and and so by all accounts successfully sort of like Bill

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Cooper dying the way he did exactly it's kind of a indication of living by the

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things right fast right I don't know if they believe it or not but they are

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professional believers walk in the walk every single day they are paid to wake

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up and act as though they are the most Christian people in the world and that's

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that's what they do so as far as belief goes that's what I'm talking about not

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do they think that it's it's 100% true all right and the guys that I'm talking

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about specifically dr. Robert Jeffers is a Fox News televangelist he is the TV

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guy that you go to if you want any defense of Trump from any religion any

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attack he will defend Trump doing anything there's a lot of religious

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folks who would do that is it the case that he just has less toxicity to him

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than like Jim Baker yes okay absolutely that's why you can slot him in on a TV

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show this guy and the more I research the collar clean yeah yeah no and this

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guy I've I've researched this guy for like the past two days non-stop and by

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all accounts he is an incredibly sweet nice kind human being who has the most

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vicious awful thoughts and like he has charmed journalist after journalist

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who's gone with him like I'm gonna work with a guy named Michael Mooney a lot of

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his work and he's basically like lived with Jeffers for a while to see what's

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going on you see if he's a huckster you know yeah you hear some other you get

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that sense from like some of those Louis Thoreau documentaries where he goes and

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he's like all these people are terrible but some of them are kind of nice to

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right right right right sociopaths and this guy is a complete psychopath like

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what these televangelists do is TV like they do it because they're good at the

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TV part these guys aren't the guys who love the grift they're like like Alex is

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like a comic who's hustling all the time trying to sneak onto gigs trying to find

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every possible way selling merch after the shows that kind of stuff mmm the

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televangelists that I'm talking about are more like they're just really

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talented performers like they want the spotlight exactly they're really good at

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it and they're paid because they're talented performers to your point though

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yeah I think that Alex primarily is only grinding and selling merch after the

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shows because he was pursuing the limelight sure overextended himself to

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the point where he now has a giant studio absolute all that shit he has to

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pay for and no one could pay him ads that's that's probably true it's sort of

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a functional thing whereas if he had his druthers he probably would be as like

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attention grabby I don't know it's a weird thought but I'm sorry I don't mean

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to derail no no you're not derailing me at all I as far as that goes that's a

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that's an interesting question except these guys are the ones who took the

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steps that get you there mmm Alex didn't so that's probably true maybe audition

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for a movie told he has to worship the devil like mark dice yeah I mean this

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guy is the guy who goes on Fox News and says Democrats worship Satan Mormonism

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is a cult he got into a huge fight with Mitt Romney in 2008 because he said that

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Mormons were a cult and we could never vote for him the John Huntsman was a

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better Mormon exactly Steve so I see Janik yeah and then in 2012 he was like

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well we of course we got a vote for Mitt Romney we can't not vote for him he's

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that kind of guy and like all televangelists he's written a ridiculous

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number of books that I don't think anybody reads ever it's like bulk

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purchases thing yeah totally because his book and they all his books all have

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clickbait titles like the most recent one is courageous ten strategies for

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thriving in a hostile world then there's how can I know answers to life's seven

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most important questions or God's seven secrets for success and significant like

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nobody's ready as the habits of highly effective people almost exactly okay

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yeah yeah I I don't think anybody has read these and all televangelists write

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this the exact same book you know I bet I bet people have read it and I bet

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they're Church small groups oh yeah totally I bet that certain groups churches

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like they get together and they have a book study right well and he's he's the

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pastor of a mega church so he does have a captive audience there where it's like

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he can he owns the printing press that prints his books and sells them to the

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people who work at the printing press that kind of thing good good grift yeah

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good grief good grief good grief so I I wanted to find out where this dude

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comes from and as far as his early life there's really not much detail going on

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the biography that you keep getting is Jeffress was Jeffers was raised in

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Dallas at the age of seven he joined the First Baptist Church of Dallas he was

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saved by what day what year was this uh let's see 64 now so that puts us at he

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was 57 years ago so how long was he in Dallas um his whole career no no no not

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his whole career he was raised in Dallas up until there's overlap with Alex

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either is oh boy yeah he's raised in Dallas he goes to Baylor so he's he's a

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Waco guy this dude is First Baptist all the way okay and he was saved by

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legendary televangelist Benny him W a Chris well the guy who established who

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turned to the First Baptist Church of Dallas into basically the fair the first

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megachurch and let me here's a little bit of Chris well we have a full program

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tonight so we begin may I speak on the curse of liberalism sure yeah that's how

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he starts yeah and he is let's talk about that there you go yeah that's

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that's basically what we're talking about when you get down to it and Chris

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well is like one of the biggest televangelists and he's got that

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Southern Baptist tradition that I am absolutely mystified but like I love it

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I really do I love listening to Southern Baptist preachers there's an energy to

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oh man yeah just just listen to him tell a story Oklahoma and Texas play football

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in the cotton ball I gotta I gotta stop already oh yeah oh yeah seated right

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there squared in front of me was an Oklahoma fan in all of that whole side

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of Texas fanatics there he was there he was in the days of Bud Wilkinson he stood

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up right there in front of me and held up a hundred dollar bill and he said oh

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you Texan I give you seven points bet you this hundred dollar bill would beat

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you didn't have any takers sat down after a little while stood up again and

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said I'll give you 14 points bet this hundred dollar bill would beat you

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nobody took him after a little while he stood up again said I'll give you 21

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points and bet you this hundred dollar bill that we beat you didn't have any

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takers he sat right down there in front of me and I said man I'd like to have

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you in my church you believe in your team and you put your money where your

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mouth is boy I'd like to have you in my church this guy sounds like a little

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plumber became so sweet that's very it's a very dusty roads ish yeah hear him

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yelling about hard times yeah daddy yeah you put in death the road through some

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hard times times when they fire you give you a watch oh yeah but that is like the

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good version of it doesn't he roads yeah what are the actual like you know kind

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of scabby preachers it's a bummer because it is a really infectious

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seductive manner of speaking yeah but when it's a pro wrestler who's the

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American dream it's perfect I was maybe his belly is a little too big maybe it's

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high doesn't look like the athlete of the day but you know a brother he's bad

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and they know he's bad and Rick Flair I'm coming for your title Rick Flair now

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you see why it's great yeah it's so good yeah it's so fun yeah and it's

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someone who comes from the Midwest too it is like yeah it's almost in your DNA

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that kind of like it's really the tent revivalist yeah yeah that's crossed

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that's crossed the world and then you know I I grew up in in a church

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background my family was a cult and Chris well was absolutely a cult leader

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mm-hmm in fact Billy Graham was a member of Chris Wells Church like he brought

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Billy Graham into the fold and then he went to turn heel exactly so he's the

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Rick Flair exactly I think Billy Graham might actually have tried to put him

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through oh yeah maybe tried to give him a watch so yeah so Chris well creates

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the modern megachurch basically and he's doing this to build a compound he is not

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building a megachurch he's building like a complete sort of like Jim Baker's

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morning side exactly Jim Baker is a fan of Chris well I would yeah yeah but

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this is from to give you an idea this guy is creating a Christian separatist

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compound essentially and this is from a sermon he gave in the 80s Christian

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education is education and environment of the mind and heart and will of our

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Blessed Lord it is an institution it's a school where the faculty and the

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administration and the trustees and the classes in the environment and most of

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the student body are all Christian I don't know why he said most because he

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wants all of it I don't write putting most in there seems so ridiculous to me

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no no no you got to let in a couple non-christians in order for there to be

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a game yeah yeah you need to have like 5% non-christian but they buy the end

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of the term right yeah it's a little bit like the 97% voted for me where it's no

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no no no no no that because that's just an illusion right you need to keep

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things interesting are you saying that this is that he's turning the school

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into a into a hunt well more or less I mean not the most dangerous game you're

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not killing people but it is you know in a way spiritually I know from my time at

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a Baptist mega church that a lot of the thing that seemed to animate the faith

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of some folks within the church certainly not all of them yeah but the

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evangelism part of it really seemed to give it meaning yeah so I would believe

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that if you wanted to create this Christian only environment and you're

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someone like this guy you'd let in five eight percent non-christians in order to

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give people to convert you got to have somebody to chase right it's all it's

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almost like feeding pets well I mean there's a certain section of the the

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student body that's probably gonna need that right all these are snakes and so

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every now and then you got to throw a mouse in there for them to I got you I

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mean that just makes sense yeah no you're you're not wrong and he

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basically created that he created this and Robert Jeffers is the result of an

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education completely controlled by W a Chris well he I swear to you he is like

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an experiment the more I've looked into him he was groomed by Chris well from

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the age of seven he is an absolute automaton he's not a human being he's a

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psychopath and he is the most terrifying man alive to me because he believes

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everything that he is told by by Chris well so he's raised by Chris well goes

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to Baylor immediately out of Baylor gets hired right back at First Baptist Church

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in Dallas works there for a few years then he goes to become the head pastor

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at First Baptist in Eastland Texas which Chris well helped him get the job then

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after that he becomes the head pastor at First Baptist Church in Wichita in Texas

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which he got because of Wichita Texas Wichita Falls yeah and then in 2007 five

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years after Chris well died Jeffers became head pastor of First Baptist in

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Dallas and took over like this was the king coming home to this was fucking

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Simba coming back to Ruth yeah and he is relentless and insane and I couldn't

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find any early sermons of his whenever he was you know before First Baptist in

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Dallas however he did go on card sharks I like that game in 1986 that was a

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great game and you can find it with card sharks the one where it's just high low

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basically it's absolutely just high low I love that yeah no it's great but

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here's the thing that I forgot about card sharks they ask like survey

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questions like Family Feud yeah and everybody is I think encouraged to give

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a weird personal tidbit before they give their answer for the survey question

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would make sense you got to keep it a little interesting yeah so you find out

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a lot of weird information about people people surveyed how many people ate

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tacos in the last month is it over 40% or under yeah that's the game that's the

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game and then they put out like the the playing cards I have like a seven on

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there that's the whole game it's a six that's a whole game yep I love it it's

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so dumb it is incredibly stupid here's you can't go back and watch shows in the

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80s though like and then if you win you get like I don't know a toaster hey you

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you'd get a beach ball oh no at the end of this he went on like a few episodes

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and I think he wound up winning about forty five hundred dollars which in

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1986 money is pretty good that's not bad um it's it's wild to go back and watch

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shows from the 80s because I can't do it they they wind up doing all kinds of

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weird like if you watch any kind of stuff from like any any of those shows

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yeah you have everyone's drunk yeah yeah all same shit that's like oh my god

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yeah absolutely yeah in this one the the host of the show has dawson's kissing

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people yeah he's got 10 and he announces them as such 10 college co-eds right who

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are asked to sit up next to the stage like Price is Right style and we're

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talking about ladies oh yeah all right that's why they're called college

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co-eds in the 80s that you knew what that meant never understood that

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co-educational means it's men and women I know but it's always yeah it always

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describes I think it's more like I think it was popular as maybe about Playboy

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because it was women that you would actually went to school with and not

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probably private you know that I would assume it's a half thing yeah something

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like that there's ten ladies ten women they were surveyed how many of you would

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kiss on the first date okay the the contestant against Jeffers says it is

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six six women would actually kiss on the first date the guy asked our boy Robert

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Robert says the number is higher and then this happens I want to see you all

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personally backstage after the show sit down you hussies sit down all right

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Robert I mean hey look that's terrible but that's the host right right it's

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just like an indictment of the show no no no I mean this happens all the time

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sure but it is wild to me that this monster who would later on go on Fox

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News who would give a sermon about how homosexuals should be killed this guy is

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on card sharks in the 1980s that is weird and he is just infectious well

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don't you remember when Paul pot was on the $500,000 pyramid I disagree with the

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yeah and he's a seriously he is a joy to watch on this show yeah I promise you go

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go watch this episode of card sharks this his joy is infectious and he is

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just a very genuine and real human being this is him introducing himself love to

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see like a reverend Manning Eastland Texas where I'm the pastor of the first

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Baptist Church of the Eastland oh that is presently until my congregation finds

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out I'm out here playing cards on national television you may have some

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extra penance back at the chapel got a whole congregation praying for me both

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that's uh he's just reasonably charming yeah he's just TV ready this is him this

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is him winning yeah this is a super cut of him winning whenever he gets

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questions right

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comes an eight

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definitely lower than an ace it's a six

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higher going higher than a six it's a nine three he's gonna freeze he's gonna

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have an answer Robert let's go he's going for it if he is correct he's our

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new champion lower than a nine

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new champ new champ do you hear that is for the match

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take that Rick now good job Robbie I don't know if you could hear it well but

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all of those all of that was him I couldn't I I don't know what I assumed

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that was yeah how I didn't think that yeah that's yeah but everything he's

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jumping up and down he's flapping his arms back and forth clapping it is he's

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screaming he's whooping Jeffers is fucking loving it and people love him

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and he's he's giving like I said there's not much information about his early

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life but there are all these weird little things that he starts giving up

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in the in the course of asking a question they'll ask you like we

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surveyed a hundred people one of them said but how many do you think said this

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and you say well is it 60 or more but you have to give a personal you know to

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your tacos thing we surveyed a hundred people how many of you had tacos last

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night well I eat tacos every single night and I've been doing that for 30

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years so I'm gonna go with four like it's that kind of yeah yeah this is his

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biography as told through two episodes of card sharks did he was it two

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episodes he was on or was he like a weak champion he was Jenny he was on for like

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a week yeah but I could only find two on on YouTube okay bill I used to date a

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lot of college coeds that was before I was married and I'm convinced they were

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in love with more than one person at that time so I have a lot of third

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graders in my congregation and they said I have been performing a lot of wedding

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ceremonies lately and I think there's a trend back to the more traditional type

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of marriage I'm married no children yet and looking forward to another great day

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on card sharks attaboy I do a lot of the same work as a psychiatrist in

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counseling people and I think I'm a pretty good judge of character and I

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would think most psychiatrists being doctors are pretty egotistical I know a

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lot of women watch soap operas today and some men too and they tend to fantasize

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a lot but I think I used to live in an apartment with six other guys and things

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got pretty grungy they're pretty pretty grungy don't worry that's the the audio

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is from YouTube there but the I don't find anything too weird about I mean

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it's a little grandiose who like I'm basically a psychiatrist yep and they're

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like I dated a lot of ladies and that's just Alex saying he fucked all the

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satanic cheerleaders uh-huh and stuff but yeah those are the those are the

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only details that I can find from anybody about his younger years also I

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find it dubious yeah no I don't know I don't know how much of anything is true

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but this is this is all stuff that he believes that's part of this and this

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entire time he is TV ready and you see at the moment he goes on this show

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because he was trained by the televangelist he was raised to be on TV

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this is a guy who is obsessed with TV and he's like here he is just cracking

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jokes like he's killing it's congressman in Washington DC and we

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ask them do you think that alien creatures from another planet have ever

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landed on the earth how many u.s. congressman do think alien creatures

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have landed on the earth I imagine a lot of them think they're still serving with

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some of them in Congress they're doing but most of them would probably not want

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to admit it even if they didn't believe it because of their reputation so I'm

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going to say that's going to be a low number of 22 22 out of 100 Emma that's a

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pretty good rationalization for your guests yeah yeah he's he's TV ready he's

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direct he's got the timing down the the host fucking loves him they are cracking

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jokes back and forth the entire time now he's got a person you'd want on there I

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mean he's against type yeah like he's he's charming and charismatic seems to

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be fine in that setting though he's a preacher you know like it's yeah it's a

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unique contestant yeah absolutely and while he's doing all of this he is

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preaching the most homophobic like HIV is God's plan for gay people like this

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is all going on I didn't make it onto card sharks it's surprising right yeah

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yeah all of this stuff is happening at the same time as this incredibly nice

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charming and funny guy is on TV doing what he is the best at and like I said I

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read a lot from Michael Mooney about him and he's this is one of the quotes that

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he gives from a 2012 prototype profile this is moon Mooney speaking in the days

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I spent with him sometimes from sunrise to sunset he convinced me that that

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bright-eyed schoolboy persona is not an act he decided very early on that he was

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a Christian and though he has grown intellectually he has several

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postgraduate degrees in theology he has never changed his mind on anything ever

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that said he still enjoys the company of people who see the world differently hmm

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that guy is very scary yeah we are so used to disingenuous people in this

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world specifically that you can see why it's easy to be charmed by a guy like

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dr. Robert Jeffers because he's he's genuine like this guy has spent this is

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a journalist who has worked with he's a Dallas journalist he's been through the

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whole ringer with all of these fucking liars and and bullshit artists and that

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sure and Jeffers absolutely charmed him like without question yeah because he is

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genuine he genuinely believes all this shit he is open-hearted and clear-eyed

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whenever he says all of this awful stuff that he believes and he can crack a joke

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while he's doing it I'm only slightly exaggerating when I say that even though

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I know he has not committed a crime in his entire life he is a dangerous

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society that needs to be quarantined like the fucking Joker mm-hmm this guy

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is terrified hmm and it's all because Chris well created him okay that's why I

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know he hasn't committed any crimes or done anything like this he was created

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in Chris Wells lab to do all this stuff and the reason that I thought about

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Jeffers is not because of his appearances on Fox News where I mean I

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know you're a regular watcher yeah I know you love Fox and Friends yeah and

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red-eye those guys so funny so funny the right is getting really good at it he

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know the reason that I'm talking about him is because he recently got into a

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disagreement with a guy named Randy Robeson now he was the guitarist for

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Quiet Riot check that out it's Randy everybody's roads that's a reference to

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our 400 episodes all right guys start from the beginning so Randy Randy

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Robeson is also a televangelist but he is the son of maybe the best Southern

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Baptist preacher I've ever heard Benny him James Robeson Oh close this is this

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is a this is James Rose and this is not from too long ago this is Randy's dad

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yeah this is Randy's dad this story is 40 years old and he has honed this into

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a fucking knife the story is basically let me give you the story this is the

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entire story okay there's a carpet cleaner named Milton Green all right

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Milton Green invites our boy James Robeson to sit in a chair he says I

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think that you're in torment and I'm going to get rid of demons he does that

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what a guy everything's fine what a nice guy this is how the greatest Baptist

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preacher tells this story Robert and I didn't sit down in front of a carpet

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cleaner named Milton Green the milk said would you sit in a chair I need to pray

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for the most tormented man ever saw I want to say if you read my brochures do

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you know who you're talking to do you know he said what's going to sit in his

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chair and come sit in a chair so help me I promise you I'm leaning up against the

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wall and holiday in bed if I have ever seen something that looked like an

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execution chair an electric chair I'm looking at I could see stuff hanging all

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over and it was like boy I heard you get in that chair you did one of the good

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things about that like the style of talking is just like it's so awesome

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that they just seem completely comfortable being out of breath yeah

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yeah he's always out of breath yeah always out of breath there's something

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very appealing I don't know why because it seems unhealthy but there's something

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about it that just is like yeah well maybe it's because it adds sincerity to

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it yeah it's like this is difficult like I'm digging down to try and tell you no

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he's the runner for marathon literally I I'm giving you this information to save

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your life that is how important this is here is what he's said what he's saying

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is a guy to sit him in a chair yeah and this is a Titanic life-or-death struggle

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and it continues if I had ever known that Charismatics ever said would you

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come sit in the chair all the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't

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come in that chair now you're not ashamed how we intimidate people like

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that dog that comes in the room all beaten down people coming to church

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beaten down because been beat up by the preacher whip whip whip they don't come

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in like conkers like soldiers and the whole armor of God warring against the

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principalities and powers taking the shield of faith quenching every fiery

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daughter the wicked they don't lodge they're not fiery darts they're useless

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wasteful suggestion we need buying the lie is there something I don't

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understand about this chair no okay it is a folding chair okay just make sure

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of the kind you might imagine tan I don't understand what's moving him with

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sitting in the chair it is terrifying okay cool I don't what was he what was

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he even talking about right I mean principalities he's talking about demons

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sure that's about all I got that's about all you got there's a chair but you want

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to run through a fucking brick wall for this day I'm not sure I'm having the

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same response you listen to this man he's fucking good I think it's good in

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terms of like oratory okay but I don't know if I'm gonna run to a brick alright

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we'll see what happens eventually he sits in the chair and now Milton Green

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starts the exorcism and Milt had to think that authority was volume because

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he is screaming at the devil and he is screaming at every foul tormenting

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spirit he's yelling at lust bondage rejection compulsion he's yelling at

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everything I'm thinking dear God dear God I hope these walls are thick I said

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dear God I said that man is talking to the devil and I'm the only one in the

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room I said God what if my friends find out what if the preachers find out well

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I did I guess I maybe didn't realize that he's talking about an exorcism yeah

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I thought he was just sitting in a chair yeah yeah there's a little bit of that

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okay neither of them actually believe in the essence that elevates the story a

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little oh wait they don't know that is there is that the reveal that they all

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think it's bullshit no later on Milton Green guess what he becomes hmm a

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televangelist they are working together and here is here's the way he's he's

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just killing with this story yeah these people are eating it up and then he ends

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it with this fucking kicker and I'm speaking to about a hundred preachers in

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Florida and as I begin to close like I am now all of a sudden a man got up

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from the back and he came running down to the front and he walked over to the

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side of the room and he grabbed a chair and he walked right up beside me and he

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slammed it down and he said here you were in a chair and a man prayed for

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you my deacon paid my way to come 600 miles to get here he said here's the

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chair here I am set me free set me free and every preacher in the room fell on

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their face all around him set us free set us free set us free

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guys got the chair yeah he has the power of the chair now uh-huh this this story

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is just him getting his demons exercised right and then later on he goes to a

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conference and people all bring their own chair to him huh because now he has

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the power to exercise demons right this whole thing is that long journey there

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boo and it is he fucking demolishes this room I'd like to see this guy on card

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sharks he would be amazing on card sharks so James Robeson is a

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fascinating guy right and then his son Randy Rhodes exactly right right

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absolutely so I was looking into James Robeson and he's a contemporary of

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Chris well uh-huh wait so dad was contemporary with the spiritual dad of

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there you go I've forgotten the main person's name

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Robert Jeffers yeah there's a few names yeah I'm talking about four guys right

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the first generation and the second no it's nuts I Jeffers is the one that I

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am aware of already and that's the name I couldn't remember clogging my brain

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with with card sharks preachers and dusty roads references telling you

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Baptist preachers will get to your head it's hard to be in your seat too much to

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juggle yeah I know tell me about it the the inverse is also true so Robeson is

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tell me I'm telling me it's hard to get through information what we do this one

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thing right yeah um Robeson is coming up in the world of conservative

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charismatic preachers James okay dad this is way back right contemporary of

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Chris Wells right Chris Wells older right James is coming up I got you James

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is becoming because James is the fucking preacher he's the preachers preacher you

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know he's the guy the kind of guy who's got like a multiple rags to mop his

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brow oh yeah oh yeah and he's killing it somehow I imagine him being in Oh

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brother where art thou basically yeah no so close to that and his early career is

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just that like he's hustling he's going from place to place getting finding

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little things to jump in and get more famous off on the place is where people

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have chairs right stuff like that yeah like then sometime in the mid 80s or so

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he stops doing it he doesn't stop preaching but he stops trying to climb

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the conservative Christian ranks and he just kind of almost settles and creates

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a modest TV empire he creates the life that Alex wants or the like sort of the

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sustainable Jim Baker absolutely yeah he's not he's not screwing anybody over

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he's trying he's not being a good guy in the sense of like you know doing

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anything too positive he's got a charity that by all accounts and purposes is is

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okay you know it's not a scam but it's not like the best but also might be a

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scam it's well I mean charity watching people like that have evaluated it

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instead it's not as I apologize for casting aspersions no no problem and he

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just kind of creates this stable modern TV empire he's got multiple talk shows

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he preaches he he's not trying to get too big he's he's got a everything that

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he wants and he stays just like a little under the radar like you don't know

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about him right I'm not off the top my head now worldwide people all over the

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world watching he's got his own channel like all of this shit and he again since

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the 80s for some for whatever reason has lived this life that suggests he

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believes what he's talking about mm-hmm now just like Chiswell created

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Jeffers you correctly noted it that James Robinson created his son Randy

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Rhodes literally yeah absolutely but Randy is not a preacher Randy is not a

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televangelist like he's a guitarist for Randy is a bit of a doof he's he's a

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nice guy I'm kind of obsessed with him I really am he has his own like internet

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talk show on James Robeson's Network and it feels exactly like a televangelist

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giving his kind of a doof son a talk show okay it gets down right Chris

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Farley show at times like you'll you'll like his guests okay he does mainly like

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you know reformed born-again Christians that kind of sure he has that kind of

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interview and of course if somebody famous becomes a born-again Christian

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you get welcome to life today I'm Randy Robinson I have the heartbreak kid for

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you wrestling fans you know exactly who I'm talking about because Shawn Michaels

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was the face of the WWE for many years if anybody follows wrestling you know

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who this is Shawn welcome to life today thank you very much for that you know

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what you are a real son of a bitch let me explain to you why why because you

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watch this video no okay because you you have introduced Shawn Michaels to the

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proceedings and you didn't include his you didn't include his theme song I'm

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sorry I'm sorry listen to Shawn Michaels

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all right I'm not your boy toy it's great it's the best that is the attitude

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area yeah you know who sings that Randy wrote Shawn Michaels now that's not my

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fault Randy should have been playing that theme song percent if you're

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introducing Shawn Michaels you got to have that bullshit if you can have

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stone-cold on your theme yeah on your show yeah and you introduce him that

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glass has got a break it's got a break yeah absolutely that's that's poor

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showmanship well I mean Shawn Michaels is now a reforms yeah and again

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Christian so I don't know if you know about his tag team match that he had

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with Vince McMahon huh I can't remember what pay-per-view like recently no it

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was a long time ago is in the like maybe sometime in the 2000s uh-huh but when

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Shawn Michaels became a born-again Christian it became sort of a thing in

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the storyline that Vince was mocking because Vince had this megalomaniacal

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I'm more important than God kind of thing yeah and so Vince and I can't

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remember who his tag team partner was they had a tag team match with Shawn

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Michaels and Shawn Michaels tag team partner was God literal God well they

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did it was it invisible it had to have a spotlight I don't remember wrestling is

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great sometimes it's great you just gotta admit it one of the more goofy

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things that I mean as Shawn Michaels is like you know definitely you know coming

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to the faith yeah allowing it to be portrayed that way and television is

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seems very weird hilarious but yeah I mean he was a dude who had like some

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drug problems and yeah it's one of those things like that's a pretty good route

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for him to go down as opposed to dying right so of course he wrote a book and

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he goes on Randy Robeson show he wrote a book yeah he's a sexy boy there it is

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not it is I all of it it's this interview is really boring but it has

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one of my my favorite like I've watched so many all of Randy's interviews are

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incredibly boring even when they're interesting but he is a genuinely

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curious person who's also a bit of a dupe like this is him asking Shawn

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Michaels a big question what is sweet chin music close you remember the arena

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where you said goodbye to everybody I do it was in Phoenix that Phoenix arena you

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said something else struck me in that whole bit one for one you were obviously

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touched you know you're you're ending a significant time in your life you're

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thanking the fans you made a statement you said the only time I like me was

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when I was out here in other words you made me like me yes when I was what it

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what is that what does that mean well you know I that's you're being unfair I

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love that question it's a pretty decent quest I know that's what I'm saying I

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love this guy doofy no I'm just the way he goes I mean he probably could have

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framed it a little better what does that mean yeah yeah it is a little direct

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yeah um no that's that's a Chris Farley show question yeah for sure that's what

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I'm saying yeah a little bit of a doof but he's a genuine guy he seems really

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nice I would have preferred to ask what it meant when Shawn Michaels lost his

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smile he's not sharing that curiosity damn Michael's super kicking people

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yeah speech in music great great finishing move Shawn Michael says what

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was that and sweet you know yeah it's a big kick to the chin yeah but what he

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would do is you'd be like coming you'd get knocked down on this side of the

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ring huh you'd be would you get up again you'd be getting up be struggling to get

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up and as you're slowly getting up he'd be in the corner at the turnbuckle and

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he'd stomp his foot like a bull it's like a bull well to give like the

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audience like you know it's come okay they call that tuning up the band tune

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up the band and then hit you with the sweet chin music and then right when you

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were finally standing up that's when the kick would come right to your chin and

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then boy it's a good theme song I turned the corner on it I used to think it was

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pretty lame yeah I was younger I'm I hesitate to give you my opinion I don't

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know I he showed up at a WrestleMania a couple years back out of nowhere and boy

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I celebrated pretty huge yeah in a way that I didn't even expect myself to I'm

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not even a huge Shawn Michaels fan interesting gets you excited nostalgia

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yeah yeah absolutely well just like it like the reason that he has Shawn

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Michaels and and those types of guests on there is probably a bunch of

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wrestlers not that many wrestlers a lot of ones who have come around to like

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being pretty religious really yeah that makes sense yeah like Lex Luthor not like

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Lex Luthor Lex Luger was on the 700 Club okay and I almost did an episode I think

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I might have done like a half episode well isn't King again now to know he's a

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libertarian and a mayor of the city but he's the million-dollar man to Ted

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DiBiase yeah was on the 700 Club there's been a number of wrestlers who have come

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on like Pat Robertson's show so I just would have assumed that maybe this guy

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just cycles through wrestling it might be I didn't see too many with wrestlers

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but that one was funny and I'm gonna go look through his guest list there's

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gonna be a bunch I'm sure you didn't realize tugboat was yeah that's probably

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true yeah yeah if they're not using because they might not even have used

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their stage names on his episode Erwin P shyster when our shyster to an IRS how

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dare you RS yeah oh man he was a tax guy of course he was yes naturally I think I

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got it I think I guessed that I really derailed you I apologize no no you're

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doing great it's but the reason that he has like

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guys like Shawn Michaels on is because he fancies himself something of a bad

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boy he's a little bit not your boy a little bit this is the type of shit that

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he really wants to get into in Green Bay Wisconsin and he's got a new book called

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battle over yes the battle over rules and he's gonna talk about that on life

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today check that out at life today org but for this particular interview

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you're fortunate enough to be watching the bonus interviews where we can go out

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of the bounds a little bit we're gonna discuss the topic that was rejected for

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the broadcast show because it was just a little over the lines and I've got a

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prop here we're gonna talk about and I did not tell him this we're gonna talk

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about the bead method yes this is your own this is your this is your actually

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fish that to your I didn't know that yeah they said no we're not gonna

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discuss that is this anal beads close to really yeah oh yeah so I thought I was

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gonna say there's gonna be a joke and to be like no it's crafting okay nope dude

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actually straight up on okay that is a little bit edgy for this Christian

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television he definitely he gets away with saying

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we're gonna do something a little fucked up well it's not quite anal beads it's

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it's a it's in a marriage this this pastor has this idea of like okay we all

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want it we all need to have sex right but it's tough to have sex when you're

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older and sometimes people don't want to do it so we created this bead method

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which is like a barter system like here here's some beads now we fuck for a

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while then you're done I'm out yeah exactly also not that

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rippled anymore this isn't that exciting not as controversial this is just

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transactional sex within a marriage you nailed it and that subject was rejected

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for the broadcast show I would reject that too of course from my own show but

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he's just obsessed with being this like kind of a bad boy right in this in this

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world like so he of course has written a shit ton of books like everybody else in

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this world but unlike most people one of his books was fiction it's called scava

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or I don't know how to pronounce it it's SC EVA and here is the blurb for it that

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was let me see if you can find out who wrote this blurb for her okay in this

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supernatural thriller the seven deadly sins threatened to destroy the lives of

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seven Bible college students after an ill-advised attempt to cast a demon out

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of a man now you can read the book praised by publishers as quote intense a

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great read and quote strong writing but rejected for being too edgy for Christian

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readers who wrote the review who do you think I have two guesses okay no dad

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yeah yeah question I kind of love it I also would have guessed the host of card

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sharks but I could remember who I think it was oh man now I can't remember bill

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it's like a Bill Mitchell something along those lines Oh Bill Mitchell's a

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QAnon yeah yeah different bill bitch but this guy and Robert Jeffers are both

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second generation televangelist yeah and my damn it that's that's so weird to

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think about isn't it yeah there's a legacy business uh-huh yeah it makes

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sense it just took me aback for a second to think like you know hearing about one

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of them yeah it's whatever but like here multiple like you think about like well

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I mean Jude Baker's kids are announcing exactly that's not the same thing it's

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like running their own thing right that's yeah hmm stuff that's tough it's

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weird yeah gross um and it's in within it's also very similar to how wrestling

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works the second generation this is all TV right like any any or any comparison

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to TV is what these guys are all TV creator and their eyes are all for TV

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and stuff like that and it's between these two second-generation

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televangelists that I try and explain the question why does the religious

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right support Trump no matter what why is that because I see that article

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written 300 million times over and over and over again right why are these

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supposedly moral upstanding people supporting a monster like Trump it

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doesn't make any sense to people and I will give you these two characters to

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second-generation televangelists to try and explain it away Randy Rhoads and

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Jeffers Jeffers yeah all right so one of them the bad boy yes one of them the

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pristine article exactly huh yeah you know which one do you think is worse

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though probably the pristine article yeah yeah

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absolutely what do you what do you feel about Randy so far I mean everybody was

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hanging out with Shawn Michaels can't be all bad he's not a bad guy I don't know

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that's not actually true Shawn Michaels has some pretty shitty friends mostly

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wrestlers yeah I don't know I can't really get a sense of him from the like

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limited amount of information I have I mean I know like his dad seems to be a

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guy who likes to have exorcisms on chairs and is a like a classic old

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school classic huckster type preacher but I mean he seems reformed the sins of

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the father aren't bestowed upon the son in my in my conception so right yeah I

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don't know I don't I don't I got I got no idea I need more information well as

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far as his vocal patterns and all that stuff seems way less gifted he's way

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less good yeah again compared to these other guys but at the same time he's

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talking like a person yes so there's a you know it's not as gifted in the

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genre right but there is more of there's also a relatability about someone who

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speaks like well what about this thing you know like people like that totally

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there's a lot of people who talk real fucking stupid on podcasts to people

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like oh yeah yeah no and I like him I I genuinely do I I mean I don't know what

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he's like in his private life but everything that I see through all of

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this stuff is just him like he's just a guy he's a guy who believes in all of

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this Christian stuff and he's struggling within this confines there's this like

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constant push and pull with him between what he is told by mainstream

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conservative Christians like dr. Robert Jeffers and what he thinks is a moral

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stance he doesn't he doesn't believe in the same God that Richard Jeffers

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believes in not even close they are of course friends and Randy basically

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agrees with everything that Robert Jeffers says but anytime you get that

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little bright spot of him like well I don't think we should be evil to gay

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people but you like it's that over and over and over again these little bits of

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him coming really close to saying like I I don't believe what you believe and

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then just being like well you tell you sound right let's go that kind of thing

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hmm this the reason that I'm talking about these two guys is because I came

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upon Randy putting out a live stream entitled does evil rain which is based

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on an interview he recently did with dr. Jeffers oh I thought it was with the

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acolytes it's actually Randy Rhodes gang grail literal vampire demon from what

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what but you know about gang girl how would I know about gang girl he's a

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literal vampire for wrestling yeah kayfabe I'd spit blood at people vampire

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tea all right gang grail he he came around he was a vampire and he would you

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know the lights would go out and then there'd be like candles and flames

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rise out of the on the stage right he was hanging out with originally the

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brood I was edge and Christian right there is two sort of enforcers okay edge

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and Christian who later on went to have their own oh absolutely very success

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very dudes tag team and both world champions in their own right of course

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and they were they fucked around and then edge and Christian were with gang

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grail and then they left and then Matt and Jeff Hardy became the new brood

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yeah hung out with gang grail and then everyone's like we shouldn't hang out

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gang grail okay is lame that's not good he thinks he's a vampire

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I wish they just suddenly started they broke kayfabe the moment that it was

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time to well you keep half kayfabe yeah your own character but like they just

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introduced that new wrinkle I've never seen him drink blood that's that's it

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that's like in that's like an oceans 12 when Julia Roberts plays a character

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that looks like Julia Roberts we're like you're fucking with me and I don't like

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that introduction of like half reality is worse than yeah yeah yeah how dare

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you tell me that you think he might not be a vampire we all know that yeah it

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might be fun though that would be fun only only in the world of kayfabe yeah

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if you were to disagree though you would probably have a better conversation than

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the way that Randy disagrees here oh yeah this is Randy introducing the idea

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of disagreeing with dr. Jeffers and it's not real nice when you invite people

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into your facility onto your show and you just argue with them it's good it's

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kind of rude at the flip side of that is if they say something that I disagree

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with and I don't say anything people assume that I am in agreement with them

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and so I'm always having to measure okay does that rise to the level that I need

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to say something and if you watch closely you'll see sometimes when they

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say something I might I might politely push back and say you know is it this or

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is it this and you know and that sounds like an adult yep yeah that seems like

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a yeah he's a nice guy this is him politely like going through this he's

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like I'm doing a show I don't want to be ungracious but at the same time if I

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disagree with somebody I want to be polite and then I'm gonna measure

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whether or not I need to say something and if I don't say anything he's

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recognizing that there's like a tacit understanding of the audience has they're

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like well you must agree with it otherwise you would have said something

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absolutely that's like recognizing your responsibilities yeah listen to that

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yeah isn't that refreshing I don't know if it's refreshing it feels refreshing

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to me it's very different yeah yeah now this is him going out of his way to even

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when he does disagree with Robert Jeffers to point out that he's like I

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don't want to offend anybody I don't want to do any just know that I mean

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zero disrespect to dr. Jeffress as I offer you an alternate view of things

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but I want to bring his view because it is probably the dominant view in

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evangelical churches right now and and the other thing is I'm not convinced

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that I'm a hundred percent right all the time I feel like I'm constantly learning

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which is why I love having all these people in here and getting to kind of

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tap their brains and sometimes I'll push on some of the more difficult issues

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because I'm sitting there learning and I think that that's good for an audience

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to watch and learn that's pretty humble yep now who are we talking about in

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contrast with that guy the guy who has never been wrong once in his entire life

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talk about Jeffy babes oh yeah this is what Jeffers sounds like on that on this

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show well I don't know what you drive I don't know if you the stereotypical

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Texas thing is a pickup truck so let's say you have a pickup I'm guessing you

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don't have one of those coexist bumper speakers my wife actually almost got me

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one is a joke because if there is anything that's the opposite of my

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worldview it's that coexist so she almost put it on my oh I don't it's a

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joke yeah yeah his worldview is the opposite of coexist he is 100% right

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about everything he has no interest in your opinion he has no interest in

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anything you have to say that is why he is so dangerous and evil and that is

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also why Randy is a different person Randy is humble and curious he wants to

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know he has his own opinions but at the same time he's always trying to learn

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yeah that is the difference between these this is the the war in

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Christianity as far as I see it and it is being won by Robert Jeffers like and

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and again Randy has won me over like here's Randy talking about the a certain

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difference in philosophy he has with Robert Jeffers okay so he starts with a

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CS Lewis quote which I love CS Lewis and he points out that we are in a battle

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well we if you don't know this by now then I'll just tell you we are in a

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battle we're in a spiritual battle we don't wrestle against flesh and blood

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it's a common mistake I think that people make even Christians thinking

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that oh you over there you're my enemy no no it's it's spiritual okay right but

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I think a lot of people take that to be like it's a spiritual battle and I'm

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against your spirit right right right absolutely I don't feel like that's what

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he's saying but that's saying those same words delivered slightly differently

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yep are exactly what you hear from Alex yeah but it doesn't have the same

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feeling uh-huh and also I want to say this he doesn't like CS Lewis I heard

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that so much background church none of those assholes ever read me or

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Christianity the problem of pain no none of those motherfuckers they read out of

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the silent planet once and they called it a day they read a couple of fucking

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paragraphs and they're like good oh I like the lion the witch in the wardrobe

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because I understand it deeper because I read all this other no yeah get the

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fucking life leader and read shit Christians love fucking believe that

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this guy's love to say they love CS I'm nitpicking because I do appreciate the

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tone and what I what I see from him yeah in there but I still don't believe that

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it died you like CS Lewis I don't that shit is dense not fun have you ever read

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that out of the silent planet trilogy no thing no I've read a number of his like

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non lion the witch in the wardrobe work his essays and yeah but not not that I

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don't know I'm unaware of that oh man the the second book in that trilogy is

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essentially a retelling of Genesis but it's Adam and Eve on Venus oh and it is

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essentially a retelling of Genesis and it is so much longer and so much more

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boring it is in cry amazed myself whenever I read it because I it's so

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boring and then the third book weird to have a space religion be more right right

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and then the third book is just unreadable it's awful but I think that's

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kind of the same with like even the lion the witch in the wardrobe once like no

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one read past like the maybe man voyage of the Dawn Treader was actually a

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really good book I remember loving that book no one read a horse and his boy I

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read a horse and I read all I read a silver I don't know if oh man so

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seriously terrible most people didn't read all all of them right just like

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yeah I love fucking Turkish delight yeah yeah good see now that's the thing I was

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one of those kids in church who loved CS Lewis because I'd read all of his line

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the witch of the Dawn Treader is like the second one right it's the fourth

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third I want to say it's I can't remember the order Caspian's the second

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one Prince Caspian's the second one you silver chair maybe silver chair might be

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five I don't know I'm gonna say it's five last battle is second in the

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trilogy but yeah listen to the way this dude is is putting everything it is this

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this idea of like he is he is hearing the same words that Jeffers is saying

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just like you put it you know you say it a little bit differently and it's

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exactly what Alex says right but he's he means it in the I don't know a more

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genuine way I hear what he's saying when he's saying it's a spiritual battle

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meaning within your own spirit yeah you are having a like it is a the test is

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within all of us and you have a responsibility to fight this battle

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within yourself to rise to the occasion absolutely that's the battle when I hear

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Alex talk about we do not fight against flesh and blood it's a spiritual battle

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I hear him saying kill that person because there's a demon in them you got

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it yeah that's yep it's a big difference but it is the same intrinsic idea right

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or not intrinsic idea it's the same words being used to express different

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thing absolutely yeah yeah that's exactly it but I know to see I I feel

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like I'm hearing this and maybe I have way too generous an opinion of this dude

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because it's the way you're presenting it I'm worried about that but I'm

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trusting you I mean well Dan I I mean I guess it's I guess it's easier to have a

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negative opinion of somebody with very little information about them than to

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have a positive opinion with only if I mean you just told me about this guy and

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right me up by having the Shawn Michaels I know I know it could be a trap it

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could be I as far as I can tell like he believes here's here's my here's my

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thing about him and this is the thing that I I was really struggling with

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while I was I was thinking of this idea which is like I've known my parents I

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know that they do not want people in cages at the border but I don't

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understand how they can justify it to themselves uh-huh and I know that Randy

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is that same type of Christian that I like I've I can hear it in everything he

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says and everything he does I've watched all of those over and over again he's

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your parents version of Christian exactly he is that person and I think I

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think the large majority of Christians I think the large majority of them do not

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want that right but they are trapped they are trapped by guys like dr. Robert

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Jeffers and and here's here's another thing here's what's gonna endear you to

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Randy I think a little bit more he's live streaming this uh-huh so there are

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people in the twitch chat oh sure and he's on twitch yeah that's weird yeah

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there are people in the twitch chat is he like playing Dark Souls but I get

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this is how this dude responds to trolls showing up in his chat welcome all you

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trolls on twitch I see you guys out there and you're welcome to listen that

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that's why I'm on twitch you're not gonna buy well yeah well I mean like

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also that even if he wasn't a nice guy that's the right move exactly yeah

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trolls are gonna come up more frequently they're always going to exist and you

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know like if you just have that approach then like people don't get a rise out of

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you they don't get what they want and you just yell at somebody and you're

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gonna end up attracting like it's fun we could poke him yeah him for knowing that

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at least or even if it's just like instinctual knowing that right good on

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he continues to deal with trolls throughout the live stream and it is it

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is very funny how how like I I just I just don't know how more just like a

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kind of like general doofy good dude could react to then the way that he does

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it's just like this general sense of a guy who's just like I'm satisfied with

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my life I'm trying to do what I think is right and you guys are being mean and

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you know what it's your right to be mean and I understand like he's doing that

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whole thing and then later on he gets into my my favorite recurring bit on his

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show is he writes books sure and no one knows about it and no one has read them

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and no one really believes that he writes them so in so many of these

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interviews you wind up having a situation like this where he does this

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interview when he when he dinged the idea of happiness that I said well you

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haven't read my book called God wants you to be happy and he laughed because

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he thought I was joking because I do joke I'm not joking I wrote a book

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called God wants you to be happy now you know it'd be a great bit what he had

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never written a book yeah that's the joke right right that would be awesome

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this happens like three or four like in I watched maybe five maybe ten of these

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do you have any insight on why no one believes he wrote a book I don't know no

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I don't know if anybody's ever actually published it physically and I sure I

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mean a lot of people self publish and I definitely don't think anybody knows

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publishing outlet yeah so you probably publish it maybe it's not good but this

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happens there's an interview with another a woman who wrote that's super

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weird as an accusation or like how much do you think of that is actually people

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thinking he hasn't written a book and how much is him being insecure about his

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book sales me think so much both that other people don't think he's written a

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book it happens over and over and over very weird he brought it up on one

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interview this woman wrote a book about how Christian women need to understand

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that men like to look at women and that it's not a bad thing and that interview

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gets weird and horny and brandy's like I'm glad I'm not a teenager anymore like

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doing all kinds of weird stuff in there and then eventually he's he's like Oh

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happiness I wrote about happiness in my book God wants to be happy yeah and she

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just goes I'm sorry what you did no I wrote a book about happening oh over and

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over and over again this happens in almost every interview it is very funny

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so yeah the disagreement that Randy and Robert have is on happiness that's what

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Randy is saying that it's about right here uh-huh he wrote a book called God

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wants you to be happy Robert does not even I don't even know if Robert

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believes in happiness this kind of thing that's the fundamental certainly does

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not want it right right now Randy is a doofy guy who just wants to live and let

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live and this is the type of stuff he does agree with this is how he deals

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with trolls and that kind of shit hmm we've known these Christians

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unfortunately Belinda says she takes pleasure in looking at flowers and you

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know I'll tell you something interesting I studied the Reformation a bit because

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I didn't really get that education in school and one thing that that the

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Catholics and those who were protesting the Catholic Church didn't argue about

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because they agreed on it was that God reveals himself through nature so

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Belinda I a hundred percent agree with you I take pleasure and in the mountains

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you know I love to snow ski and I stand up there and if you're at the Keystone

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or Breckenridge you can see the Continental Divide for miles and miles

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and miles and I'm like this is the most beautiful temple in the world God's

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creation so yes hundred percent Judy he might have read CS Lewis yeah yeah maybe

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I was judged too harshly yeah cuz I mean that is that is true that is that is a

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belief of you know like if you've never heard the name of Christ and you'd

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recognize him through nature yeah that is salvation you know that is good

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enough that is a position that a lot of schools of Christianity have held right

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and he's getting he's getting a little bit trolled with like I like nature like

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maybe maybe I didn't interpret that as a troll that's what I'm saying I thought

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that that might be a sincere comment that someone was making I like to look

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at flowers I think I honestly is very no no no no someone might say right right

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right no I I think I think that I the reason I think that is I think Belinda

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pops up later on okay yeah I don't have that context all right sorry my bad this

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is before Belinda pops in but that's that's what he's doing he's he's very

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simple he's he's doing that this is what we agree on and here's where we

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disagree and there are more trolls coming in here and I'm getting trolled

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hard today this is funny it's about time the trolls have left me alone for way

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too long okay so here's the part where dr. Jefferson I have a disagreement and

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this is where I want your your input constructive input please I'll just

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ignore it if it's just trolling but and this is it kind of goes to eschatology

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in other words how we view the future and the dominant in the evangelical

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churches is a futuristic view in other words things are gonna get worse and

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worse and worse before they get better and this is where I actually just don't

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don't agree I was raised that way but I don't agree anymore and we're gonna get

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into it yeah so he doesn't he doesn't believe in the the progression towards

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good right the downward progression to sharp uptick exactly that's good Randy

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is a chill chill guy and he's he's pretty much like he sounds so much Bob

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Rossi to me like so much of that just like I like to look at the mountains

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like that kind of greatest temple yeah yeah absolutely just show Bob Ross yeah

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yeah basically and what he is getting to is that when he says that eschatology is

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the fundamental disagreement he's not even getting to the reality of it they

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have no this is the fundamental disagreement and he thinks it's just

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them disagreeing about happiness to like as he allegedly wrote a book about it

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right I have not read it he may not have written it might not exist it might not

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exist I went to his website and it's there you can buy it on Amazon yeah but

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I don't know if you didn't go through to the cart I'm not gonna buy the cart but

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he thinks they're talking about happiness he thinks they're talking

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about happiness and whether or not you're supposed to be happy or you're

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supposed to wait until God you know replaces the world or whatever right

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what they are actually talking about is the literal replacement of the world

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like here is dr. Jeffers this is what his argument is on the the side of

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eschatology this world is not the world as God intended it to be and this world

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is not the world that it will always be there is a new world coming but until

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that time evil is going to have reign over this world I'm sure I mean that

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sounds like a lot of the religious things I've right now this is a

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imperfect meat world sure sure the difference here is what we get back into

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the words can mean different things mm-hmm dr. Jeffers is not talking about

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how the you know eventually the world Satan's gonna reign and then God will

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replace the world and all this stuff yeah Jeffers is actually talking about

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how he wants to replace the world mm-hmm he Chris Wells idea of a Christian

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separatist compound the main goal of that was to create a completely

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separate Christian world right that would eventually grow to be the world

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exactly yeah now he could not do that and what he realized was that that was

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not possible and it wasn't gonna be possible to be left alone mm-hmm unless

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you are the only thing so he created dr. Jeffers and this is the reason that I

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find him so terrifying is and it goes back to Randall Randall Ballmer wrote an

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article in Politico about the creation of the Christian separatist movement and

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how people always talk about Roe v. Wade as being the inciting factor to getting

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the Christian right to mobilize and turn into what they certainly inciting right

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but yeah what it was born out of though was the court decision in Green v.

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Kennedy which later became Green v. Connolly when Connolly became the

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Secretary of Treasury this happened about five to ten years before Roe v.

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Wade the situation boils down to this if you segregate your private schools you

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do not get tax exempt status mm-hmm that's it right the end and the goal

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for Chris well whether or not it was racial segregation the goal has always

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been to completely segregate Christians away from everything else so they took

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that idea of they're going to make us become public schools and they turned

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that with Jerry Falwell and Bob Jones and all of those guys into this and then

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they teamed up with way riches burgeoning Heritage Foundation mm-hmm

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all of these guys turn into what the right is today all of it just like

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knee-jerk and awful reactions to notions of civil right right with one main goal

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and that is creating a completely white Christian theocracy mm-hmm that is the

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purpose of this and that is what Jeffers was raised to do mm-hmm so when he

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starts talking about how you know we we the this world is not the world of God

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like that kind of stuff and we need he's not talking about waiting for God to

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come back he's not talking about the world of God either oh he wants his

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world yeah absolutely it is interesting um I don't know how much of it is just

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like it like intrinsic suspicion of things but like it does feel different

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like even even without your presentation I think I would hear him say those

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things mm-hmm Jeffers say those things differently than Randy Rhoads right it's

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Robinson what I disagree it's it's interesting it's it's it's it's I think

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what it speaks to is the like the inherent neutrality of religion itself

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like because these people are both expressing like really religious ideas

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oh yeah and one of them is expressing with them in a way that's like yeah all

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right yeah and the other one's saying fairly similar kinds of things like oh

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no that are 180 degrees yeah it's about what's packaged on it right that really

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is the what becomes a problem right and Randy is absolutely of like they're both

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raised second-generation televangelists they both have this incredibly intense

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religious education both of them can toss out anytime they all have that

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televangelist way of talking where it's like say where it's where it was a

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Hebrews 918 where's where you know that that whole thing they can all pull

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quotes from from memory neither one of them has any greater command of the

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Bible than the other mm-hmm and both of them say almost exactly the same thing

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and both of them disagree on everything and Randy is the only one who doesn't

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know it mm-hmm that's the thing that fascinates me about all this so

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basically the disagreement they're having is that dr. Jeffers wants to get

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rid of this well like you're giving him the honorific I mean he's a doctor he's

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got a doctor yeah yeah I don't know I I go back and forth between just calling

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him Robert Jeffers or doc Bobby big Bob but yeah to your point I find him so

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terrifying because the guy who is trying to be the bad boy is calm quiet

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humble caring and the guy who is the pristine I never been in trouble always

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enthusiastic that guy waving around and so happy all the time is a tool

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created by a guy who wants to build a Christian theocracy yeah and so now he

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is that perfect tool for Trump it is almost like Jeffers was created by

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Chris well to be used by the first fascist dictator that could cook that

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could show up in order to solidify the Christian right and because Jeffers is

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genuine and brilliant and real and Trump is a lying piece of shit Jeffers is

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going to trick Trump essentially into creating it as a Christian fascist

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dictatorship instead of just a regular one he is terrifying the his side of

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Christianity is literally the world is we need to end the world in order to

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create our world uh-huh and then on the other side you have Randy Robinson

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dealing with trolls loving his life and this is this is just like I I listened

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to this clip and I was just like this is the guy that I think of whenever I think

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of like the Christianity that I somewhat admire a little bit like listen to this

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Charlie Charlie says that satin rules because Charlie cannot spell Satan and

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he's telling me God doesn't exist here's your problem Charlie you might as well

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tell me my wife doesn't exist satin does rule satin rules because you don't know

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how to spell say he doesn't even have that like he doesn't even have that you

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don't know it's just you don't know how to spell Satan yeah it's not even a dunk

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yeah hey you're trying to tell me God isn't real tell that to my wife like

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it's it's so much just this benign kind of this it's even that like the way you

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were saying that is easy yeah he's just trying to say like yeah God exists in

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the same way my wife does yeah learn to spell yeah he's just a nice guy I think

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to me like in my experience because I've spent so much time in in Christian

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worlds and so have you I know Jeffers I've seen that guy everywhere but the

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large majority of people that I have met in so many congregations is Randy

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I would agree with that that kind of thing and so whenever people talk about

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why is it that I you know Christians follow Trump I see it as a function of

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this kind of system yeah absolutely and the guy who trained the fascist was

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maybe the best televangelist at the time and he got who trained the chill guy was

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dad was the guy who like just sort of kept a low profile exactly did his

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business yep yep well you're bumming me out yeah I know right and it's not

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because they're Jeffers is so good at using the same words that Christians

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used to mean positive things and twisting them into something horrific

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all the while believing it's good like that's why he's such a powerful tool is

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because Chris well got him at such a young age and controlled every aspect of

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his life and I'm sure you know yada yada yada whatever about his own motivations

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but it's fairly clear that if you're if you're captured by Chris well and taken

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under his wing personally at seven years old you're not going to be unaffected by

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that yeah it's gonna be a tough course correction yeah at very least yeah

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absolutely and and they're not fully developed and you're being you know

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bombarded with a lot of like really heavy stuff huh it's gonna be hard to

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process the stuff that's coming in in addition to adolescence growing up yep

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yeah yeah I mean yeah that's a bummer yeah and it's from the guy who's the

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best at it like Chris well is a brilliant cult leader to the point where

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like the closest of the closest like and now analog for Chris well and Jeffers

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that I can think of is L Ron Hubbard and Miss cabbage like that's the type of

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shit we're dealing with right here Jeffers believes all of this to the

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point where it's indistinguishable from from reality like it's it's amazing to

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me but most people like and here's the here's what I'm saying again with Randy

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kind of having that sense of I know something's not right here but I don't

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know why I'm fighting it like in this in this clip right here in the futurist view

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we believe that a new world is coming Jesus will come and set up his kingdom

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on earth and then there will be no more evil here's my question for you guys and

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and here's the disagreement that I would have with the futurist view which dr.

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Jeffers does hold to and and that is when I look at what Jesus did and his

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work on the cross I believe that he gave us everything we need to establish his

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kingdom here on earth okay his kingdom here on earth is already ready to go

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yep yep Randy wants to make the world a better place mm-hmm Randy thinks we have

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the tools to make the world a better place huh well I mean I guess that is

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the difference and def the definition of like what the promise of the cross was

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yeah is the promise the already fulfilled in the act of the crucifixion

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and resurrection or is it contingent on some future of that yeah that does seem

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to be a profound difference of opinion I don't know if that's tough I mean I'm

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always down for the the religion that takes the shape of things that will

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create a better world for everybody mm-hmm so I mean without knowing any of

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the other stuff that he believes because I really feel like there might be stuff

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I don't know about that's really fun no here's the thing though that's again

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that gets to my point exactly I I will guarantee and no I know Randy believes

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in obviously like conservative right-wing bullshit he will say it he'll

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repeat it and it's just so clear to me that what underpins his beliefs have him

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saying that stuff in order to stay in lockstep with the people that he thinks

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are his teachers all of these all of these people goes into that kind of

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second generation televangelists the difference between them is Randy is like

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he was raised in this he knows the language he knows what he's supposed to

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believe and there's a part of him that is fighting against it there's a part of

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him somewhere that's like I know it's bad to do this but I'm told by guys I

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respect guys who are the kings of the world the leader of the biggest of the

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first mega church right now he's telling me that this is what we have to say this

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is what we have to believe that kind of shit I mean was it Chris well or

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Jeffers who started their speech off by saying the evils of liberal that was

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Chris that's Chris well yeah so he taught Jeffers and he wasn't necessarily

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the mentor for Randy Rhoads so it makes I mean like the the rejection of

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liberalism and the rejection of like a humanist perspective is going to

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ultimately lead towards not recognizing a united society it's going to always

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err towards utopianism in the future of like we're going to create this this

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perfect thing right once this liberalism where people have freedom of choice and

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they can sin they're allowed to sin once we're free of that yeah it would make

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sense that that dude the dude who is is sort of mentored by that guy would be

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far more down that side yeah then than someone else and he's far more effective

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like this is this is what's what's amazing to me is that Jeffers is trained

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as a weapon Jeffers was weaponized from a young age and it's very clear that

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Randy was just raised in the church like that is so much the difference to me a

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between the two of them Jeffers is here to remake all of Christianity in Chris

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Wells image and Randy is here because his dad is a televangelist and he got a

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little game he got a little gig and talk to Shawn Michaels oh and here's the

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other thing like Randy's on Randy's website which is very cute it is

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essentially an angel fire page it's it's very funny he has these little like

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devotionals and stuff that he's written before there's like five things that

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he's written almost all of them are about TV he just loves TV he's like

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here's how we can make Christian TV shows you watch TV shows and then when

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they're Christian you're like these TV shows suck yeah here's what we can do to

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make them better and that kind of stuff this guy just wants to work in TV he has

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no idea like he just he just loves TV and shit like that's what he was raised

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up loving let's go hook up with Jim Baker absolutely and I I I think Randy

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sums up my views on Jeffers pretty easily right here Craig says Satan is a

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bully 100% and here's the thing you got to know he's a liar he's full of crap

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can I say that I just did um that's cute that's the bad boy yeah that's a Randy

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the rebel can I can I say that can I say that on twitch god I know Randy I know

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so many Randy's yeah he seems quaint yeah he's very cute yeah he's dumb and

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he's gonna get eaten alive by dr. Jeffers every fucking time well I mean

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probably yeah I mean if there's if there ever is call for a head-to-head

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confrontation this was as close to the call for a head-to-head confrontation as

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you can get when was this from a couple weeks ago okay yeah yeah so uh we're

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stayed your eyes on this space might have to do a part two on that yeah I

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don't know this is interesting I don't know what I think about this I get

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criticized a lot for not being like more aggressively atheist in my position yeah

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and like anti-religion yeah though my background would suggest I should be

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right as is yours right and you heard me a very stringent anti-atheist slowly and

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gently very stringent atheist not anti-atheist slowly and gently fall in

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love with the Bob Ross of Christianity right like this guy is is what I've

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always thought that Christianity like wants to be and he is in thrall that's

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what I think of subscribe to his twitch I'm guessing no absolutely not he's so

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boring that's what I'm saying that's why he loses right it's why he loses like

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and it's why I mean we go back to the wrestling thing like it's why heels are

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often more like exciting than faces yeah you know like the good guys are often

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kind of dopey and like and a little bit boring whereas the characters that are

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allowed in the bad guy right persona are always a little bit more they have an

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edge to them they're more interesting mm-hmm but they're assholes and you want

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to see them get beat by the good guy eventually yeah that's how you make the

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money right but what if you're the asshole you're the heel who says all the

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interesting things you get so much press attention all the time and yet when

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people want to look into you and find out where you're a liar find out where

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you're full of shit and really expose you and it turns out you're the sweetest

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kindest human being alive hmm you're incredible there's just nothing bad to

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say about you personally you live that life that you say that you you do like

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that whole thing I mean Marty come both Marty come the heel and the the hero

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Marty Derosa is gonna kick my ass but I'm sure there's a wrestling analog for

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that I'm sure that I'm sure there I'm sure that bad guy character who's like

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he's actually yeah yeah I'm sure that is a character and I think of it but yeah

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that's that's the thing that I think is so attractive to Christians who

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otherwise would never go along with such a moral bullshit is that the guy

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spouting a moral bullshit is living the moral life that most of the most

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Christians can't live like most you know he's are you just talking about like

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the prosperity aspect of a lot of these like these preachers who live these sort

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of largely comfortable affluent lives they create like an image that they're

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it becomes aspirational almost to the audience in congregate right but it but

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see that's what I'm saying Jeffers is different even from that if I wanted to

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talk about a that you know we could talk about Paula White Cane all day yeah like

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the so many dollar so many of these people Oh steam are are those guys who

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are selling you something and trying to win money from the grift and I genuinely

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don't think Jeffers is Jeffers is not trying to grift anybody just political

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he is purely he's working on a political project absolutely Jeffers is a true

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believer and the one thing that he truly believes in is getting rid of the rest

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of us and creating a white Christian theocracy and he will say anything

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defend anything do anything to make sure that that happens well let's hope Randy

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Rhodes wins this I know right got your back Randy yeah come on buddy

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I'd be a man Randy Robinson is so funny to me he's it most of his stuff has like

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a few hundred views oh yeah he's just a nice guy I mean he's trying to enter a

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space that's not made for what he's doing right you know like it's I like to

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shit on like Dave Dobbin Meyer for having like 35 views yeah yeah but to be

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fair like YouTube streaming isn't the place for like it's not a huge popular

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place for Christian yeah extremism yeah so it's it's tough twitch has got to be

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even more of a sort of a wasteland or no-man's land yeah for a religious

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sitting around chatting yeah broadcast so I mean good on him though because I

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mean I mean again I I'm hesitant to say anything to committal because I don't

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know anything about this now again like the idea that like he's carving out a

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space on twitch that like you know no one is doing that yeah there is a place

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for it in terms of the streaming platforms and if it's him doing it

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genuine a better person than absolutely and some monster absolutely

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unfortunately once he carves out that space the monsters will gravitate

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towards it and exploit the work he's done and then his kid will become the

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Antichrist I think that's the only thing we can the only thing that we can say is

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for 100% going to be true you heard it here

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Randy Robinson's kid will destroy here I mean if it skips a generation that all

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right no I mean that's but that's the thing all four of these televangelists

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absolutely hold abhorrent views sure there's no doubt in my mind yeah to

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varying degrees yeah exactly there is but James Robinson first started by like

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just going like I don't want to be part of this anymore for whatever reason I'm

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obsessed with chairs pretty much I sound like Dusty Rhodes he's just that guy now

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I mean he's of course in the Christian televangelist world he believes in awful

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shit Randy Robinson absolutely in the Christian televangelist world he

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believes a lot of horrible shit but when you listen to Randy talk you can see

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that he is he doesn't want to I think there's so many people who just don't

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want to believe this horrible shit but they're because part of the teachings of

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Christianity is like shut the fuck up and listen to your pastors uh-huh you

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know it's that kind of thing so that's that's I I don't know if I fully got my

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point across but I feel like I did all right I think there's a lot of points

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yeah and yeah it's I mean I think I think there's a lot of the reflection I

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don't know I I would I would say that what I see from this is like two

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different trajectories going through time you got like one that seems to be

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working towards a better outcome and one that seems to be working towards a worse

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right right right you have but both of them believing that they're working for

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the better outcome yeah I think almost everybody does I mean even Alex man it's

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hard for me to say this yeah I know right that's why it's so refreshing for

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me to study people who do believe what I say but at times I do think that he

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probably thinks he's doing what's right I agree I think I think there's there's

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at least a part of him that thinks that although it can't be his okay it can't

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be full whereas I think these guys probably fully think that what they're

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doing is 100% right yeah yeah I'm fascinated by these guys well I think

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that you're always going to find that whenever the the genre is religious yeah

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you know I think that you're always going to find people who are more

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believing that what they're doing is right when it's you take the the

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framework of politics and replace it with religion now granted Alex is a

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crypto religious who's hiding his religious beliefs behind political

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message right and also aliens and demons yeah and a lot of movie references yeah

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but there's there's still like there's still the political veneer to it that

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allows the like maybe I'm not committed to yeah I can change position right I

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can support Ron Paul and Rand Paul and then sport Trump right you can do that

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you can't do that with God if you're you know a religious person mm-hmm or if

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you're in one of these televangelists you can't be like my candidate is God

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yeah hold on Shawn Michaels is fighting next to him another another you know

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contender has showed up and God is not doing it for me so guys you should yeah

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that does make it harder doesn't it so yeah that's a that's televangelists Dan

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I think it's interesting I like what I've made on and this is this is what

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we talked about as far as me doing episodes is a after the last one with

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Marc Moreno I never want to talk about Marc Moreno again I think the feeling

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is mutual the same thing is true said your piece the same thing is true today

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of Robert Jeffers all right I never want to talk about Robert Jeffers maybe we

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open up a whole new series where you start taking on some of these

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televangelists that I don't want to fuck we've got a lot of requests for people

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I want you to want us to cover like Rick Wiles some of these I don't know Rick

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Wiles is well maybe that's maybe we'll see what happens maybe that's the new

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genre of Jordan take the wheel yeah so it's been fun thanks for bringing this

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to my attention I'm still a little confused not by you but just by some of

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these thoughts yeah the generations aspect is is fucking with isn't it

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fascinating yeah but it really is why it's wild yeah yeah as you yeah it's

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nuts anyway so we have a website for you

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yeah it's knowledge fight.com anyways so we have a website Dan it's

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knowledgefight.com and we are on Twitter we're at at knowledge underscore fight and

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