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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, a knowledge

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fight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, a knowledge

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fight.

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Dan and George, knowledge fight.

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Rettler, Rettler, Rettler.

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I need, I need money.

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Rettler, Rettler, Rettler, Rettler.

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Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas.

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Stop it.

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Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding us.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first-time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledge fight.

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Knowledgefight.com.

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I love you.

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes.

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I like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan?

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What's up, Jordan?

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Let me ask you this.

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I'd love to hear a question, but actually I have a question that I hope you'll ask.

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I'm really... This is a weird situation because it's something I want to talk about and I

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want you to ask your question, but there's a real big part of me that hopes it's a very

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specific question that I don't think you're going to ask.

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There are... I'm going to go with roughly an infinite number of questions.

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You bet there are.

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It would be very difficult, but look directly into my eyes.

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We're doing this right here.

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We're mind-melding.

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Okay.

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All right.

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All right.

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Do you get it?

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No.

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I have no idea.

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What do you want to talk about?

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No, that's not your question.

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What's your question?

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Have you ever caught somebody in a lie and told them to their face?

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Yeah, probably.

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I mean, obviously we catch people in lies all the time.

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Yeah, probably.

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That's our show.

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I'm not sure it's an interesting story.

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What I'd rather talk about is- There we go.

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I'm not worried about it.

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This is a foregone conclusion the moment you said I wanted to talk about something.

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I don't know why you bothered.

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I need to just tell you about this, Jordan.

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We could have talked about this question later.

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We could have saved it.

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Yeah, probably.

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Yeah.

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Look, man, I've been spending the morning before we record.

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I had a little bit of downtime because I got most of the episode prepared last night.

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Sure.

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I was sitting around waiting for you to show up over at the studio and I started exploring

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a few things.

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I think I've discovered a genre of music that might be right in my wheelhouse.

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Okay.

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And this, Jordan- Boring?

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Probably.

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Re-imaginings of Phil Collins songs.

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Okay.

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There we go.

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That's- The canon is fantastic.

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Sure it is.

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I mean, we're talking about disturbed land of confusion.

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No, everybody thinks Phil Collins is great.

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Granted, that's Genesis, not Phil Collins, but it's Phil Collins singing.

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And Bone Thugs and Harmony, Take Me Home.

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Right.

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Holy shit.

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I really feel like I've talked about this in the past.

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It might just be a re-discovering.

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I've never heard of it before.

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Who's re-discovering these tracks?

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I'm re-discovering my love of these re-imaginings of Phil Collins songs.

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Who's re-imaginings?

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Disturbed land of confusion.

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Oh.

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Oh shit.

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It's a great remake of a Genesis song.

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And then Bone Thugs and Harmony did Take Me Home.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It got Phil Collins to do it with them.

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Right.

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He's in the video and everything.

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He's walking around with crazy lazy and wish.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's fantastic.

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Anyway, I went on a real rabbit hole of- Let's see if this is as good as I remember.

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I started listening to a bunch of the I Got The Hook Up soundtrack.

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Oh man.

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Pretty good stuff on there.

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Like C-Murder song, Would You Hesitate, Great Track, Hateball and MJG showing up.

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Then that started me going down a road of like, C-Murder's still in prison?

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Yeah, I mean he committed murder.

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Yeah, but two of the witnesses in his trial have recently recanted their testimony.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah, and they won't give him a new trial.

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No shit.

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Crazy.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, probably should get a new trial for C-Murder.

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Yeah, no kidding.

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This is why we shouldn't record this early.

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We got to do something, all right?

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We're going to stop recording, we're going to get C-Murder out, and then we're going

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to come right back.

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I'm not sure if I want to get him out, but I think we should take another look at it.

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We should take another look at it.

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His name is C-Murder.

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No, that is true.

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That is true.

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That was admissible in court.

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I don't know.

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Anyway, Jordan, we're here.

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It's early.

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Would you say that the witnesses no longer see murder?

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Yeah, they claim that they did not see a murder.

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That is correct.

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There you go.

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Jordan, this is a podcast where I have the questionable musical tastes, and I know a

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lot about Alex Jones.

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And I regretfully have to participate in both.

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And we shouldn't record this early in the morning.

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We are all over the place.

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But we have a bit of business to do here, and that is talk about Alex Jones.

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We're back in 2013, right?

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No.

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No.

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We are in the present day.

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No shit.

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We are in the 2013 episode, except on Mondays, because they don't have enough time between

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episodes on Wednesday and Friday to do all the reading that's required and all the stuff.

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So those take a lot longer than these normal day episodes.

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Most of Alex's present day narratives and stuff are pretty easy to deconstruct.

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Yeah, bang that out in a few hours, you're good to go.

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Whereas with Alex's, especially around this Boston bombing period, that is stuff where

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two minutes of his show might take me an hour and a half to get through, just because he'll

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lie about something and that requires a ton of reading.

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But we will be back in 2013 for Monday.

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I consider the Coast to Coast episode from Wednesday to be our 2013 episode of the week.

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Okay.

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Because that does add to the...

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We got both Wacky and 2013 out in the same episode.

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That's great stuff.

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Yeah, because it does add to the sort of canon of our understanding.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, we're doing a present day episode today.

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We're doing October 23rd, 2019, which is Wednesday.

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And hey, man, there's some silly shit going on.

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Naturally.

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There's some bad stuff going on.

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Of course.

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And Alex has both of his lawyers as guests.

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That cannot be true.

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Jesus Christ.

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I'm not sure I've seen an episode where both of his lawyers have come on on the same episode.

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Are they physically there or...

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No, no.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Paddis calls in.

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Norm Paddis calls in and Barnes is in studio.

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Yeah, of course.

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Barnes is there.

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Yeah.

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He's more eager for the fray.

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Barnes is not busy.

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Although, we're going to have to have a conversation at the end of this episode about which of

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them comes off worse because both of them do something that is, each in its own way,

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pretty fucked up.

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Okay.

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All right.

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All right.

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Oh, boy.

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We'll get to that here in a moment.

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But before we do, Jordan, we're going to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who

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have signed up and are supporting the show.

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So first, Jackie, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Jackie!

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Next, Flexmontelo, thank you so much.

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Thank you so much, Flexmontelo.

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Next, Brent from the None Dare Call It Ordinary podcast, thank you so much.

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Hey, Mick and Alice.

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And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple of people who have signed up on

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an elevated level.

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We appreciate it very much.

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So first of all, Josiah, thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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And thank you so much, Reverend Dr. Peter Anomaly.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate.

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That's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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All right, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you so much, Josiah and Reverend Dr. Peter Anomaly.

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Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.

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That last one sounds like a Philip K. Dick character.

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And maybe, I haven't gotten through all of his work yet.

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That is possible.

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Quite frankly, could be a PKD.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Reference.

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clicking the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it.

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It'd be very nice.

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So, Jordan, before we get into today's episode, I have perhaps one of my favorite out of context

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drops.

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If you play Bone Thugs in Harmony right now, I am going to be serious.

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Tick, tick, me, huh?

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No, this is a rare type of out of context drop that I just think is like, this could

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not be better.

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Okay.

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I mean, there might-

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There's no way to improve it, is what you're saying.

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Right, yeah, yeah.

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There's no better drop out there, but this drop is the ideal form of this drop.

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Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

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Now, what I'm about to say is incredibly obvious, and I'm not talking down to any of the viewers

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or any of the listeners, I'm just stating the facts.

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I own a chainsaw.

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Yep.

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I'm not condescending.

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I don't know how that could be condescending.

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I'm just stating the facts.

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Just I own a chainsaw.

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Oh, God, now if you've seen Mandy, now we need Nick Cage to fight Alex Jones in a chainsaw

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fight.

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That could-

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Perfect.

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Yeah, I know Alex-

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He owns one.

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He owns a chainsaw.

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Yeah.

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So, we jump in here.

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This is how Alex gets the old ball rolling.

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It's predictable.

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It's just, hey Trump, this impeachment thing is bullshit.

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Oh, okay.

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But we obviously have the latest developments taking place on a lot of different fronts.

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And we have the latest rerun of the whistleblower hoax with the diplomat, the lead diplomat,

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the ambassador to Ukraine saying he heard somebody say it was quid pro quo, just like

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the other fake whistleblowers whose names we can't know, lied and said that as well.

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And then even when he testified, Bill Taylor yesterday in his bombshell had to admit that

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when he got a call from the EU ambassador and told him that, he said, that's insane.

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Trump never said quid pro quo or that he better be given something.

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So you may notice that Alex is calling all this Ukraine business specifically as it relates

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to the impeachment inquiry a hoax.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You'd expect that from Alex.

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And I almost yawn when he opens a show like this.

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Right.

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It's just like, oh God, this again.

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Yeah.

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Weird that he doesn't start off the show talking about Mick Mulvaney's weird ass press conference

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from the other day.

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But you know, that would be-

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The one where Mick Mulvaney said Trump asked for a quid pro quo.

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We do that all the time.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Get over it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So he doesn't talk about that.

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It's a hoax.

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Even though they admitted they committed the crime.

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Gotcha.

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Well, I think that the reason is that would be a challenge.

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That would be really hard to do.

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Spinning that one, and I know that they, you know, Mulvaney's like walk back that and they

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tried to do some damage control and we'll have you.

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Fuck off.

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That shouldn't even be possible.

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Yeah.

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Alex isn't touching that one.

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Yeah.

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He's going ahead and maligning Bill Taylor.

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So anyway, Alex brings up that testimony.

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Bill Taylor is the top diplomat for the US and Ukraine.

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On Tuesday, Taylor spoke with the House committee members privately.

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So a lot of what he said in those conversations hasn't been released, but his 15-page opening

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statement is very public.

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And that's what Alex is calling his testimony.

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You get your first indication that Alex dismissively calling this testimony a bombshell.

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You're like, dude, it's a bombshell.

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That might be an indication that Alex is very scared of what this guy said.

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Because it was a bombshell.

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The first indication is on page one.

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Just because you can say it in a sarcastic voice does not make it not true.

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Yeah.

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It's like me saying, hey, that Bone Thugs and Phil Collins, it's a great song.

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Yeah, it's a good song.

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It is a good song.

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Exactly.

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So anyway, from page one, quote, our national security demands that this relationship with

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the US and Ukraine remains strong.

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However, in August and September of this year, I became increasingly concerned that our relationship

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with Ukraine was being fundamentally undermined by an irregular informal channel of US policy

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making and by the withholding of vital security assistance for domestic political reasons.

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Yeah.

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That sounds fake.

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Uh-oh.

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Uh-oh.

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Hokes.

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Bill Taylor was the US ambassador to Ukraine from 2006 to 2009 and is very well aware of

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the situation in the country and its recent history.

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He is absolutely no slouch.

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And when he's testifying that there was a divergent, unofficial foreign policy operation

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going on outside the State Department, it's a real serious charge.

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And it becomes even more serious when you realize the charge Taylor is making is that

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this second unofficial channel was contradicting and threatening the objectives of the real

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official channel of US foreign policy, namely strong support for Ukraine.

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Yeah.

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Taylor's opening statement involves very clear specifics, like the following.

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Quote, on June 27th, Ambassador Sondland told me during a phone conversation that President

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Zelensky needed to make clear to President Trump that he, President Zelensky, wasn't

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standing in the way of investigations.

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I don't understand.

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That doesn't sound like any issue.

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There's no problem there.

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Taylor provided WhatsApp conversations with ambassadors Volker and Sondland, where Volker

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said what was, quote, most important is for Zelensky to say he will help investigations

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and address any specific personnel issues if there are any.

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You can fake those.

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Sure, WhatsApp.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, if you write them by hand, then you don't even know if they're from WhatsApp.

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Totally.

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On July 20th, the representative of Zelensky told Taylor that Zelensky, quote, did not

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want to be used as a pawn in a U.S. reelection campaign, which kind of calls into question

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the idea of whether people on the Ukrainian side were aware of the machinations.

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Yeah, they definitely were.

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Kind of puts that into question.

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Taylor describes conversations with Ambassador Sondland, where Sondland explicitly tells

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him that support for Ukraine was contingent on Zelensky publicly saying that they were

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going to do these investigations because, quote, Trump wanted President Zelensky in

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a public box.

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Right, right, right, right.

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No.

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And I know that that's like, you know, sure, it's firsthand, but it's still hearsay.

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You can't trust it.

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Sure.

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Taylor describes that, quote, the inability of any U.S. official to respond to Ukrainian

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explicit questions about security assistance was troubling them, you know, like the idea

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that they ask, what's going on with this?

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And no one they just stonewall.

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You know, and that sounds exactly like how Trump seems to operate now, like a mobster.

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No, you know what you're supposed to do and you're not going to get me to say it.

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So just do it or there'll be problems.

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That's how they're like, yeah, criminal enterprises run.

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No, no, no, no.

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No one's like, go kill that guy.

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No, no, no, every time I buy weed, I first off call, I call first and I say, I would

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like to buy some drugs from you illegally.

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Then I text him that information as well.

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Yeah, I drive over with three cops behind me.

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I invite them in and then I buy my weed.

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That's how it works.

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Buy the books.

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Yeah, buy the fucking books, Dan.

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It is true that Taylor's opening statement does include a passage about a conversation

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that he had with Tim Morrison, the head of the Eurasia desk for the National Security

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Council.

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Morrison had spoken with Trump who said that, quote, he was, he was not asking for a quid

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pro quo, but Trump did insist that president Zelensky go to a microphone and say that he

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he's opening investigations of Biden and the 2016 election interference and that president

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Zelensky should want to do it himself.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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See?

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So yes, I guess that Trump did technically say that he didn't want a quid pro quo, but

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then he did go on to describe the quo he was expecting from.

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Right.

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I see.

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Now you have to say quid, but it's like a, it's like fucking Beetlejuice.

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You have to say it three times.

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Otherwise it doesn't count.

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Exactly.

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You know, if Trump doesn't say it three times, then it's not quid pro quo.

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Nope.

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It's very hard to read this opening statement and get the impression that there was not

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a quid pro quo going on.

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You could read it and take the parts that say there was no quid pro quo, but those parts

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aren't Taylor's words.

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Those are him repeating that that came from Trump and that also that he clearly doesn't

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believe that statement that was coming to him and the evidence he indicates he's providing

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tends to contradict those people's statements that there was no.

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Right.

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Right.

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Okay.

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So I am offering, actually I am withholding aid that I have promised you in order for

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you to do something that I would like you to do.

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Yeah.

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And then when you do that, I will give you that aid.

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I don't understand where the problem is.

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No, I don't see why.

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He said it wasn't a quid pro quo.

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It's not a big deal.

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No.

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It was an exchange of ideas.

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Yeah.

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Since that testimony itself is private at the point when I was getting this episode

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ready and I believe it still is.

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It's very hard to know precisely what he told those committees, but if this opening statement

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is any indication, it was very likely some fucking damning stuff.

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Oh yeah.

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Just from this one person in this opening statement, you have multiple name people like

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Volker, Sundland, among other people, who had direct conversations with Trump about

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this situation.

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Just from this, there's a clear roadmap to an investigation.

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The people you need to ask questions of, people you need to get under oath.

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And if I were Alex, I would be seriously, seriously thinking about turning on Trump

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right now.

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Yeah.

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Now is the time.

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Nope.

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Not going to do it.

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If there ever has been, I mean it's been for a while now, but just strategically as a propagandist,

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you're about to enter an area where there's nothing you can do.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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This is going to be a disaster.

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And good luck.

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It doesn't look good.

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But look, man, that's just assuming that this opening statement was real.

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There's a possibility.

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I did not expect that.

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There's a possibility that Alex is going to discuss here that this is all fake.

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Okay.

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And you can tell Schiff wrote this latest statement this guy put out.

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I mean, it's so obvious.

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It's a redo of the fake letter that Schiff read.

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Let's cue that up.

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Schiff reading the fake letter that was supposedly the fake transcript between the Ukrainian

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president and Trump.

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Remember that?

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Remember that?

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So last month Adam Schiff read what you might call a parody version of the rough transcript

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of the phone call that Trump had with Zelensky, which he kind of meant it to just heighten

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the mobster qualities of the conversation while trying to maintain the essence of what

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Trump said.

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Some may call that a boneheaded move, but others might think it's a worthwhile strategy

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to attempt to creatively make the point you would otherwise be trying to make dryly.

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I have no opinion on the matter other than that when I first heard about Schiff doing

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that, I knew immediately that Alex would pretend that he was claiming that he was reading the

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actual transcript.

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Schiff said that he was going to lay out, quote, the essence of what the president communicates.

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You'd have to be an idiot or a shameless propagandist to try and claim that he was trying to pass

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that off as a real document.

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How about both?

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Yeah.

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And that's why Alex is doing that.

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And that's a big, it's a big piece of his sort of like Trump defense is like, Schiff

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tried to pass off this fake document as real.

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He should be hung up.

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Sure.

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It's a mess.

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So we get through that little segment and Alex gets to some real serious news or at

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least he starts teasing real serious news.

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Trump is trying to end major wars, trying to win a trade war with China, trying to stabilize

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our economy and trying to reboot the American spirit.

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But under Trump's nose and under our noses, there's some things going on that I think

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you should know about and I think that we should talk about.

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And we're going to do that on the other side.

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What's going on with the homeless?

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Oh no.

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Oh God.

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No.

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Yeah.

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You don't like to hear that.

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What's going on with the homeless?

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Oh, fuck me.

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It's not going to be, I support the homeless and we should socialize our fucking, oh Christ.

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It's not going to be, let's help people get access to homes.

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We should provide homes for people without homes.

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Let's discuss what the best options are for public housing, for mental health assistance,

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for no, none of that.

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Let's behead and eat Jeff Bezos and then everybody gets a home.

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We don't know what his take on it is going to be, what the story is here, what is going

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on with the homeless.

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So Alex leaves that alone and goes to break, promising to get back to it later.

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But as soon as I heard that, I was like, this isn't going to be good.

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Whatever it is, whenever you hear Alex bring up a vulnerable population, you know it's

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somehow going to be maligning, you know it's somehow going to be adding to the possibility

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of them being further victimized and exploited.

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And I'm pretty confident in saying that is the case, but we'll get to that when he gets

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to it.

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Yeah.

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When he does that shit, it's like he brings up, he brings up something to distract from

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the larger issue and then peppers it with cruelty.

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So people get that like, yeah, I get to be awful.

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And then they don't worry about whether or not Trump is committing all kinds of crimes.

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Sure.

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And you know, like the sort of dehumanization and the just sort of like, hey, you know,

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they're shitting on the streets, that kind of mentality, it kind of leads towards like

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criminalizing and possibly, I don't know, rounding up.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's, I can't say it enough.

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People are not homeless because they failed.

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They're homeless because the rest of us did.

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Sure.

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That's the reality of it.

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But we'll get to, we'll get to some of that stuff in a moment because Alex goes to break

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and he comes back and he is in a real weird mood.

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I'm your host, Alex Jones, and we're live broadcasting worldwide.

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There's a couple of really important things I want to let you know.

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I am aware of information going on inside the Trump campaign that is very, very dangerous

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and very, very scary to the president, to this country and to all of you watching and

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listening out there.

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You may have noticed that to Brad Parscale earlier this week had a huge lavish cover

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story in the Sunday New York Times about what a wonderful person he is and what a genius

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he is.

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Well, there's some interesting things going on with Brad Parscale that I'm going to reveal

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later on the broadcast today.

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Okay.

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He doesn't.

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There's an interesting thing about Alex's relationship with the Trump administration

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that I'm starting to notice.

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There's a trend where he seems to keep finding out about how certain members of the team

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are evil and working against the resurgence of Americana.

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A lot of this falls squarely into the genre of what you might tend to see in authoritarian

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systems where the media bootlickers constantly dwell on palace intrigue, where the storm

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of suspicion and accusation is always raging, threatening those who don't appear to be loyal

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enough to the leader.

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With Alex, I'm starting to notice a slightly different character to his particular type

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of palace intrigue, namely that all the people he seems to think are threats within the administration

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are specifically people who apparently don't like Alex enough.

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We saw this with generals McMaster and Mattis, who Alex said were globalist infiltrators,

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largely because he felt like they were trying to stop Trump from reading info wars, which

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was how Alex communicated direct messages to Trump, which is weird on its own.

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He had similar problems with the former chief of staff Reince Priebus.

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And now the crosshairs are fixed on Brad Parscale.

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It should be mentioned that Alex has recently complained about how he saw a video where

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Parscale was asked about Alex Jones and replied, who is Alex Jones?

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So it's kind of hard to hear Alex now uncovering some kind of scary and dangerous information

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about Parscale and not thinking maybe his bruised ego is somehow involved.

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That doesn't sound right.

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This dude really wants to get back on Facebook and he's willing to wage public demonization

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campaigns against essential personnel in Trump's administration in order to get there, which

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is kind of funny on one level, but really just sad.

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It's very sad.

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It's very sad.

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It's very sad.

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But Alex is back on Facebook.

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Yeah.

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It seems and it's almost odd now in the context of the testimony from Zuckerberg yesterday

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that he's not back on Facebook.

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Yeah.

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That doesn't give a shit.

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He does.

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He's clearly happy to watch the fucking world burn.

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So put him back on.

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Yeah, it is strange.

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It is.

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It is strange.

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Yeah.

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But you know what?

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Brad Parscale, whatever Alex might be saying about him, it appears that Alex doesn't think

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he's evil.

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Nothing against Brad Parscale, but quite frankly, the man is not the sharpest knife in the drawer

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and is a serious weak link.

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So he's dumb, I guess.

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Man, none of you are.

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So Alex doesn't get to talking about what is dangerous and scary information about Brad

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Parscale is on this episode, but he does tease that he has a huge guest coming up on Friday.

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And later in the show, he does sort of connect these two things, that this guest has some

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information about Parscale and the Trump campaign.

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And I would say that this next clip is really Alex overselling Friday's show and his guest

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that he's going to have because Alex seems to think that he's going to get killed over

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this interview.

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Okay.

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And I've probably gotten butterflies 10 times in the 25 years I've been on air.

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When I had Donald Trump coming on the show, I did not get butterflies.

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I got sick.

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I get butterflies when I think about the guest we're going to have Friday.

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It's a big guest.

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You know, Joe Rogan had Edward Snowden on yesterday, but they released a few hours ago.

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That's great.

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It's posted up on info wars.com.

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That's a big guest.

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It's not as big as Julian Assange would be.

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That's also a dangerous guest.

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So I was hat tip was talking to Joe this morning hat tip to Joe landed fish.

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This is a really important big interview and it's, it's an emergency message to the president.

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And I know my phones are getting listened to.

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So it's the kind of interview where I'm looking under my car, literally now for bombs when

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I drive to work in the morning and I've never done that before.

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So we got a big interview coming up Friday and the second hour is where it's scheduled

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live and you're, you're going to want to tune into this.

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And if something happens to me, it's the interview is still going to go out.

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Okay.

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Folks know, by the way, I don't hide stuff.

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I just tell you how big something is and straight up deliver.

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Okay.

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He says that it's going to be live, but now he's worried that someone's going to try and

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kill him before then, which would only make this interview larger.

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I don't think anybody would do that.

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Well, he did find an it guy named Ted Snowden, so I mean, it's basically the same Ted word.

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Yeah.

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Ted word Snowden, basically the same thing.

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If I know one thing in this life, it's that, uh, that this guest Alex has coming up on

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Friday is going to be a real let down.

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He does later, like I said, give a few clues about who it is saying that it has to do with

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the Trump campaign and Brad Parscale.

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So in a normal world, that should narrow things down.

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But because this is Alex, it could still literally be anybody.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Let me give you some of my guesses by who I think it could be.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Um, if, if he weren't in custody, I would say that it could be Julian Assange, Rogan,

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like Alex said, had snowed in on.

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So I could see Alex trying to one up him and Assange, uh, outside of being in custody is

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not above going on info wars these days.

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He may have been a few years ago, but now there was a time that time has passed.

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I was trying to think of like who a big name Alex could get, who's in the Trump orbit and

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he could pretend is a danger for him to have on.

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Um, and I just couldn't think of anyone really like Roger Stone coming on is only a danger

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to Rogers gag order at this point.

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I thought it could be Steve Bannon for a second, but Alex would could never pull that off after

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he spent so much time in the past calling Steve a traitor and possibly a globalist.

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Yeah.

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Plus Bannon just started a podcast called war room.

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So Alex can't be happy about that clear infringement of Owen Schroyer's copyright.

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Oh, Troyer's got a cease and desist letter written up.

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Yeah.

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That could be a few coming up.

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I thought it might be possible.

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This is a place where he could have a return of Steve.

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After their unceremonious falling out, I thought they'd probably never speak again, but I checked

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in on it and Steve's YouTube channel has been coming along and he's gathering an audience,

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which I think that Alex might be interested in trying to poach and I could see him trying

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to put water under the bridge and say like, yeah, you know, he was wrong about the Las

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Vegas shooting, but he's one of the greatest ever state department official, blah, blah,

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blah.

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He's a patriot.

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I will give up literally anything to get 1000 more listeners.

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I could, I could see him, um, trying to rehab Steve.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Possible.

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He has no principles.

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It's unlikely, but I think that, you know, of the people who I see as in, who people

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who would return an email, um, it might, you know, I, I, I, if I hadn't listened to it,

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to as much Alex as I have, I might be excited to find out who his guest is, but unfortunately

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I still remember how in 2013 he teased that he had the biggest guest ever coming on later

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in the week and it turned out to be the Obama phone lady.

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So I do not know where Alex is like this isn't get that one.

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That one was brutal.

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That one, because I was, we were both excited, we were both excited and then when it turned

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out to be the Obama phone lady, that was crushing.

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There was that changed me.

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So Jordan, here's a random list of people that I think it might be mostly putting this

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list out there in case it's one of them.

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So I look like a prophet.

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Throw them all at the wall.

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John Voight, Turkish prime minister, Erdogan, Joey salads, the congressional candidate who

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peed in his own mouth.

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That really could be Mel Gibson, Ted Kaczynski, John McAfee.

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I think that one might be, that could be a real front rudder.

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Is he still trapped on his Island?

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No idea.

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We'll back up to at this point, Anthony Scaramucci.

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That's possible.

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That's bullshit.

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I can see that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And just for long shot points, Bubba sparks.

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Bubba sparks.

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You're going to give it Bubba sparks a chance.

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I don't know.

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All right.

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If I'm a betting man, that's 225 to one odds.

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I will give that to you.

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I'm just putting a dollar on that in case Alex's show is so profoundly disappointing these

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days that it's very hard to hear something like what he's doing.

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Like they're going to put a bomb under my car cause I'm doing this interview.

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It's hard not to get a little excited about who that could be, the mystery.

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But I'm going to bet just about everything I own that this is going to be a fucking zero.

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You know what?

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I am actually going to put the odds that it is the Obama phone lady again at two to one.

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I can see that.

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It is that bad.

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I considered that possibility as well.

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It is that bad.

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Yeah.

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So it turns out we get right back to the news about the people experiencing homelessness.

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And Alex, this is stupid.

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No, it's good.

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Wires in our brains, big corporations putting them in there and laughing that the AI will

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take us over.

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They're hiding it in plain view, Elon Musk, and it'll soon take you over with his eyes

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all jacked, his pupils all huge.

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I mean, is he on fricking five hits of LSD or has he already got a brain chip?

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They've already are wired up.

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And let me tell you something.

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I did some digging this morning right before I went live.

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The company that's in Austin, wait for it, is doing it through a UN connected grant is

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microchipping the homeless in Austin.

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They've already done it in Mexico and in Guatemala, and now it's here.

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So my first thought about this is that it seems strange how every nefarious plot that

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the globalists try and pull off seems centralized in the exact same area Alex lives in.

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It is.

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It is kind of suspicious.

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It just keeps coming up over and over again are these weird things Alex keeps rail.

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Like he rails about just keep happening in Austin, which doesn't seem likely.

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It's almost fictional.

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Like it's almost like a geographical proximity bias.

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It's like how so many of Stephen King's novels are set in Maine.

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Yeah.

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There's a little bit of that kind of feel to it.

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Yeah.

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Statistically, it doesn't make sense how this keeps happening.

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Austin is the center of the universe, actually.

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Plus, if you were the globalist ne'er-do-wells and you have this crusading hero named Alex

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Jones who's super good at digging into things and keeps uncovering your plots in his home

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city of Austin, it feels like you might move your operation somewhere else.

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Just go to Cincinnati.

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Alex doesn't give a shit about Cincinnati.

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You can do whatever you want there.

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Just go to Cincinnati, globalists.

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Cincinnati's nice.

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As for the actual story Alex is talking about, in a very strange twist, he's not just making

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stuff up.

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There is an organization that's working with people experiencing homelessness that'll allow

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them to have an implantable form of identification.

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The argument goes like this.

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In order to access many of the benefits that these folks depend on to survive and try and

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get their life back in order, people experiencing homelessness need identification documents.

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However, these same people are precisely the ones whose life circumstances are such that

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they may have the worst ability to have secure places to store these documents.

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Yeah, what are they going to fucking carry around three-ring binders with them everywhere

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they go?

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Totally.

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If you live on the street or out of a backpack, you're one accident or a fight or a mugging

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away from losing your social security card, for example.

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That could be a huge problem.

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That's that.

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That's not even considering the possibility that just living in the elements might destroy

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your identification card without any incident or accident.

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This leads to people in that situation having to be in a constant state of reapplying for

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these documents, which becomes an awful cycle that you end up in.

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And you have to pay fees every single time, yeah.

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And you can only imagine what kind of - that would cause a horrible psychological experience

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of feeling trapped and unable to get to the next step or having to constantly reset.

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These sorts of barriers are a frustrating part of life for people in these circumstances.

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And the goal of problems like this one in Austin called My Pass have is to eliminate

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some of those barriers so people can have a better chance of getting back to having

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a secure life.

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I don't know how I feel about this program as a whole.

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Obviously, I support the goal behind it and anything that can be done to help people experiencing

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homelessness and that is developed with their input is something that is worth being explored.

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There are some concerns you can have about data security, but the early trials of this

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program have shown a lot of promise.

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And part of that is by using blockchain technology in order to service these chips.

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So the control of the data is entirely under the control of the individual.

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Like if they need to prove a certain form of - like a medical identification, they

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can allow those people only to have access to that medical information.

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There is some compartmentalization of the data through the blockchain that is allowed,

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which is actually - it's very interesting the way they're trying to set this up.

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And like I said, it shows some early promise on that front.

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If those sorts of considerations are adequately taken into account and it's shown to help

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the community it's meant to help, then I don't see a good argument for being against

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this.

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Whatever your position is on the issue, one thing that's important to point out is that

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Alex is presenting this like it's breaking news.

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And that's because Mike Adams just ran a story about this on natural news that Alex

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read, which is now he's acting like sound the alarm, they're chipping the homeless.

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But don't get it twisted.

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This is not news.

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I found stories about the beginning of this program dating back to April 2018.

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The Wall Street Journal covered it on June 26, 2018.

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Harvard's DataSmart blog ran a piece about it on September 13, 2018.

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The Austin American Statesman covered a new grant for the program back on August 2, 2019.

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Local news in Austin, KXAN, covered the program on July 31, 2019.

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This isn't something that's been like - that's just been developed in secret.

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It's not hidden in plain sight.

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It's a program that aims to alleviate the often under-recognized hassles of experiencing

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homelessness, which many outlets have covered and discussed for a year and a half now.

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Alex's team is just super bad at news, so they had no idea that this microchipping program

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was happening in the city that they live in and operate out of.

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This is just embarrassing stuff.

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Like the severity of like, ah, right away we've cracked the case on this, is a mask

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that's covering - we didn't know about this for a year and a half.

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And it should be a marquee issue for them.

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Like this should be squarely in their wheelhouse.

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This should be something they've been talking about for a year and a half, at least.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, it's literally the way that he describes the mark of the beast being carried out.

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So if you were at all paying attention to news that is not coming from Mike Adams, especially

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if it's local news in Austin, you should definitely have been aware of this.

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It suggests a really bad news diet on Alex's part, considering all sorts of other places

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have been very openly and - Dan, were any of those on Drudge?

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No.

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Any of those articles?

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I don't know.

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Maybe.

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I don't know Drudge's - That's a good point.

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His choices.

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So anyway, Alex is just trying to victimize the homeless community, and one of the things

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that this achieves is disallow them to possibly have a better chance of breaking out of this

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cycle of needing to reapply for identification in order to get the ball rolling.

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That's one thing.

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Keep them trapped in the system that they're trapped in, which Alex is - whether or not

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he's actively and actually in favor of that, that's the function of what he's supporting.

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And I would assume, based on everything I know about him, he's pretty much actively

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supporting destroying them.

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Well, that's the other part of it, is now you introduce the idea that the - his conception

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of people who have chips in them is that the AI can take over them or something like that.

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So if you now introduce the - Can't trust anybody with a chip in them.

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Right.

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Can't trust them.

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Can't trust the homeless.

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Can't trust them.

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They're basically not even people anymore.

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They've turned into cyborgs.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They're minions of the globalists.

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Why even bother with them?

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They're foot soldiers.

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It's crushingly dehumanizing to people who are in a very vulnerable state in life because

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of their circumstances.

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And the idea that you would want to approach that situation and social problem and look

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at it like, let's make it worse for them.

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Right.

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Let's make people more suspicious and scared of them as opposed to how can we work together

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to rise people out of this.

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We could end homelessness or we could end the homeless.

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Those are the two options.

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That is a good way to put it.

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He is choosing the second one.

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Or at least it seems like he prefers that approach and that's profoundly fucked up.

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So we're done with that.

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Alex talks about this quite a bit, but I'm putting that baby to bed.

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What he's talking about is complete bullshit and I don't care to hear him say it over and

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over again.

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So Alex gets into talking about fluoride here and that's also kind of boring.

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But I wanted to play this because I think that this is an interesting, rare, good ad

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pivot on Alex's part.

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He's in the middle of talking about fluoride bullshit and through the actual content he

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weaves into an ad as opposed to that like really clunky briefly.

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Like that sort of thing.

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This is actually kind of smooth.

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You wonder why everybody's so dumb and looks like zombies and are so damn ugly.

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It's the fluoride.

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They take out the good halogen, the iodine.

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They put the bad one in and I get up here and sensationally lay it all out with the

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government documents, the periodic table and try to launch a movement against it so that

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people understand to get the fluoride out, get the good iodine in.

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And yes, we sell the best, cleanest, best iodine out there.

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A symbiotic relationship, fund the info war and get the best X2, the best X3, X3 is great

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for kids.

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See, the reason that I think that's a little smoother is because it is just normal content

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of the show that starts to get defensive.

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And then while he's still in the same sentence, there is an A to B that goes in that, that

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gets to like, before you know it, you're in the middle of an ad.

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It's how he should be doing this.

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It's almost a little scarier because on some level it is like, well, that's the way you

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hide this battery.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He wasn't even bothering to try and hide.

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No, I mean, to a certain extent you could imagine him manufacturing stories that would

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allow him to talk about each specific product.

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I hate to say this, Jordan, but I kind of do imagine that.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I hate to say this, Jordan, but I think I've demonstrated that a little bit in the past.

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I mean, more specifically like that, line by line, like going down, like, oh, the fluoride

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takes away iodine.

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Right.

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It makes you dumb and stupid and ugly.

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Yeah.

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The dogs take away your energy and here's my, you know, like that whole thing.

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Yeah.

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It could, if he were smart, it could lead to much better planned shows where he's like,

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all right, so the break is at 16 of the hour.

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So by minute 14 of the hour, I've got to be in the middle of a rant about fluoride.

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Yeah.

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And I need to be able to, you know, sort of smoothly weave this along and make it appear

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hidden.

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Right.

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And maybe, well, I don't know.

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We should have been doing all along.

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Yeah.

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It would be a smart move.

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So just briefly.

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Yeah.

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No kidding.

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We got good iodine.

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So that goes to commercial.

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He starts pitching the iodine stuff.

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It goes to commercial and then Alex has a weird commercial for his iodine.

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It goes to commercial and I don't, I don't cover the commercials these days too much

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because they're mostly like just Alex, please buy my shit.

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Yeah.

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But this one I think was a little bit worth checking in on again.

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I'm not talking down to the info wars audience, but I've been banging my head against a wall

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for a long time on this and I'm talking about fluoride and I'm talking about iodine.

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Now if you have a boat, a motorboat, let's say old glass Tron boat and you want to take

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it on the lake, you've got to have a lake to put it in.

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If you're a human being, you've got to have oxygen to live.

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Okay.

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It's the same thing.

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Well, ladies and gentlemen, the bad halogen is fluoride.

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That's why in every Western nation they put it in the water.

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They're going to teach us Christians to lay down and die.

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The Chi comms don't put it in the water.

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They'd execute you if you did that.

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They put iodine in the water because it's the good halogen and increases fertility and

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lifespan and intelligence and everything else.

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So this is like a string of commercials that he's doing where he's not condescending to

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his audience.

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Yeah.

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That is a weird sort of ad campaign.

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I'm not talking down to you.

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I own a chainsaw.

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You need water for a boat.

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Right, right.

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That was one of the weirder ads I think I've ever heard.

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You don't hear like professional ad people going like, let's put in an overly complicated

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analogy that doesn't actually make any sense if you think about it.

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No, no, it's not.

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It's not good.

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No, no.

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And actually I want to talk about why it's not good.

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So one thing that's important here is that that metaphor does not work.

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Comparing a human's need for oxygen to a boat's need for water kind of works.

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Like we need to be in an oxygen rich environment to survive and a boat needs to be in water

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to do what it's supposed to do as a boat.

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But I think a submarine would be a better choice for Alex in terms of the parallels

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sense.

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If a boat is surrounded by water, it's not going to run very well, but I'm just nitpicking.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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As for the metaphor working for iodine in the body, that's where things fall apart.

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We do need iodine like, you know, to live, but we don't need to live in an atmosphere

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that's iodine rich.

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We just need to take a little bit of it for our bodies to function properly.

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I would say his metaphor should have been that it's like the fuel that the boat needs

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to run, but even that isn't very fair.

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Food is food.

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That's the fuel for us.

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Iodine's a mineral that helps the body work well.

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It would be like antifreeze or maybe the piston lube or something.

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I can see you.

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I could probably come up with a better example, but I'm not a machine guy.

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Let's just go with oil.

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Anyway, I'm being nitpicky here.

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That's all secondary.

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Right.

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There's a more important issue and it has to do with this stuff about China and all

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that.

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My first comment is to say that him saying that the globalists put fluoride in the water

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in the West to attack Christians is maybe making his Christian identity ideas a little

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bit too overt.

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Yeah.

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That is not a dog whistle.

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That's a fucking siren.

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Keep in mind that this is how Alex is trying to market his products.

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I don't feel like his ad reads used to be nearly that blunt.

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I think that that signals like I'm trying to sell to a specific audience.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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He could, however, have just said n-word, n-word, n-word, n-word.

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Please buy iodine.

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It could.

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Basically the same thing.

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Maybe.

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Keep that thought for later.

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All right.

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Which I hate to say.

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Oh, no.

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Oh, no.

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My first glaring problem with the content of what he's talking about is that most of

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Europe doesn't add fluoride to their water.

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Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, none of them practice

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fluoridation and there are plenty of Christians in those countries and many of them are considered

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parts of what most people think of as the West, which is a problem for Alex's narrative

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that he's selling about they put fluoride in to teach us Christians to lay down and

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die.

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See, that's where you're missing it.

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They put fluoride in all the holy water in Europe.

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That's how they weed them out.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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As for China and fluoridation, Alex is correct that they don't add fluoride to the water

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there, but he's missing out on some important context.

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China and India both don't add fluoride to the water partially because they exist geographically

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on top of a gigantic belt of naturally occurring fluoride.

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This belt contains 85 million tons of fluoride and it has the expected effect of making their

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water supplies naturally high in fluoride.

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There'd be no point in adding fluoride to their water since the naturally occurring

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levels are often higher than any place in the United States, even after we've added

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fluoride to the water.

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This is a public health problem that's caused increased rates of dental fluorosis and even

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fluoride toxicity in these parts of the world.

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It's a very heavily discussed issue and anybody who knows anything about the real issues in

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the world related to fluoride would understand this clearly.

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All Alex knows is that China doesn't add fluoride to their water and that's all he needs to

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know.

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Bada-bing, bada-boom, let's make a narrative out of it.

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I can't find any information concretely about China adding iodine to their water, but they

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did pass regulations in 1995 about adding iodine to salt to address the high prevalence

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of iodine deficiency in the population.

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While the US hasn't made a law about it, we've been adding iodine to table salt since 1924

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and current estimates say about 70% of all salt sold in the United States is iodized.

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That number would probably be higher, but we don't have as big of an iodine deficiency

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problem as China did, most likely due to varying iodine levels in each country's natural water

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supplies.

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Who cares?

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So what you're saying is the globalists went back in time and put all the fluoride in the

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earth in order to get rid of the Chinese?

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I guess Alex could make that argument, which would be interesting, like some sort of time

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traveling patriot went, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.

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I think they're, I think the globalists are hiding fluoride under the ground in order

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to take down the east.

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There is no bridge that's too far for Alex to go at this point.

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Why not just sell that?

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There's no bother.

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You understand there are real world issues that explain a lot of this stuff that Alex

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is trying to pass off as like, this is an attempt to attack the west through Florida.

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Read a little Alex.

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I'm kind of mad that he hasn't insisted that the globalists have perfected time travel

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yet.

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He should be there by now.

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I think it's implied.

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Oh yeah?

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That he does believe.

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I don't know.

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My point here, Jordan, is that Alex is very stupid and his stupidity carries over even

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into his ads, which are now starting to sound a little bit like an open appeal to white

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Christian victimhood narrative, like way more than normal.

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Yeah.

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I think his new line of Infowars branded hoods, that's not good.

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This indicates to me a bit of a lack of interest in any other demographics, which kind of makes

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sense.

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When you target your marketing that selectively, it's not a good sign for your business because

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you're alienating people who are outside of that possible market.

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When you're doing that while you're also running an everything must go sale, it kind of feels

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like you're circling the drain.

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When you're really going niche with it, trying to empty your warehouse so you can theoretically

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make it longer.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I guess in 2019, it wouldn't surprise me if the only people buying his shit were

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white nationalists anyways.

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So why even bother?

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Is it really a niche audience or is it just his audience?

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You know what I'm saying?

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Well, I understand that and I think that we've sort of touched on that over the course of

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doing this show.

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In the same way that that sort of content-led hidden ad is what he should have been doing

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all along, this is what he should have been doing all along.

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He should be coding all of his marketing messages.

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But I believe that in the past he's felt like, I have a broader appeal than I actually do.

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You imagine you're casting this wide net and getting as many people as possible and now

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the pretense has kind of fallen.

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At least these are the indications that I start to get.

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You wouldn't be throwing that rambling about Christians being under attack in the commercial.

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It feels that way.

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And maybe I've missed a number of commercials he's done in the past where he has been that

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overt, but I don't remember hearing a lot of that.

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It struck me even as a little bit surprising.

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I can see him previously, like back when he was on Facebook and shit, having to pretend

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to cast a wide net in order to block the perception that he is only speaking to white nationalists.

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Even though he knows he's only speaking to white nationalists, he still has to pretend

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like he doesn't in order for people to think that he's a more mainstream broadcaster.

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There's a necessary wink.

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And now that he's off Facebook, he can just be like, fuck it.

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We're all white nationalists here, guys.

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Let's put our robes on and go for it.

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So I don't know.

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I mean, you know, this sort of news headline rundown only seems to reinforce that sort

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of feeling.

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Tyranny 2.0, Proud Boys sentenced to four years in prison for defending themselves from

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antifa attack.

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Oh boy.

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Alex and his ilk can make excuses for their beloved fascist street gang all they want,

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but in doing so, all they do is reveal what they really support.

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Alex can get on his show and report the news of these two Proud Boys who are being sent

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to jail after being found guilty of attempted gang assault and rioting stemming from a brawl

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in New York last October that took place after their leader, Gavin McGinnis, gave a speech.

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He can say that all they did was defend themselves from an antifa attack, but that isn't true.

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And if he was in any way interested in reality, he would know that.

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Alex is operating off one video that was widely circulated by the right wing media, which

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appeared to show one of the victims of the beating throwing a water bottle at the Proud

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Boys, and thus the argument goes the Proud Boys were just defending themselves.

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Antifa started it.

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Subsequent videos have come to the surface that show a very different story.

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There is a water bottle thrown, but the person who throws it is doing so in response to one

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of the Proud Boys literally charging at them with his fist cocked back.

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These aren't children.

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One of the men who was sentenced is 39 years old, and he joined a group where the only

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way to get in is to name cereals while the gang punches you.

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I'm kind of sick of the bullshit, so I'm just going to put this simply.

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The Proud Boys is an organization that is based in violence.

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Their initiation ritual is based on a mock jumping-in ceremony.

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Gavin created the gang with a tiered structure of membership where the only way to get to

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the fourth level of initiation is to get into a violent confrontation with Antifa.

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From the second you join with the Proud Boys, and as you work your way up the ranks, everything

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is centered around either implied or real political and physical violence.

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If Antifa had a leader who had said specifically that they created this group as a way of getting

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into fights against people they're politically disagreeing with, and made submitting to an

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act of group violence necessary to join, and created a hierarchy ladder that required violence

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to climb, I promise you I would not find that acceptable, even if I completely agreed with

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what they stood for and were working for.

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In the case of Gavin and the Proud Boys, I find what they stand for repulsive, and their

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entire structure is indistinguishable from a gang.

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It's a real lame gang, mostly centered around misplaced feelings of victimhood, but it's

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a gang nonetheless.

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Anyone carrying water for the Proud Boys in 2019 knows exactly what they're doing.

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They want groups of extremely right-wing white men to have free reign to assault people they

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politically disagree with.

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That is what Alex wants, and that is why he's presenting their incarceration as tyranny

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2.0.

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Yeah, no, it's very clear now, Make America Great Again is about when we used to always

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have roving gangs of white men hurting and murdering people that they didn't like.

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Defending the Proud Boys who got sentenced for this is only protecting that.

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That's the only thing you're doing.

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It was really weird.

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Or you're dumb.

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Or you're dumb and you fall in for the right-wing line, and if Alex is that stupid then he has

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no business being a commentator.

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He's not.

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Of course not.

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No, no, no.

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But I'm trying to be overly generous.

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Right, right, right, right.

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I could see that as someone thinking that and not actually wanting roving gangs of white

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dudes to be able to assault whoever they want.

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Alex, if that were true for him, he needs to get off air because he is so stupid and

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so unable to present information that what he's doing is accidentally misleading literally

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everybody who listens to his show.

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Well, I know he's not that stupid and I know he knows what's going on because that clip

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of the guy throwing the water bottle, obviously the right-wing edited it.

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What they did was they started the clip with Peter Griffin running over the bottom of the

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Boston Marathon.

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Oh, sure.

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Yeah.

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So you know it was totally that.

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They know.

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I'll be honest.

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I was trying to listen to you and I agree with what you're saying, but I'm very self-conscious

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that I've talked about that Bone Thugs and Phil Collins song on this podcast.

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You're going to be okay.

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Dan, you're going to be okay.

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It's going to haunt me for at least- You like this song.

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You can talk about the same song more than once.

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And I forget about liking it.

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I know.

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It's fine.

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We all rediscover passions.

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I might be a huge Phil Collins fan.

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I really wish you weren't.

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Easy Lover is a great song.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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Easy Lover.

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We've got to get you out of here.

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Yeah.

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What are you, a dad in the 80s?

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What is happening?

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You want to get me out of the house?

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Get Phil Collins to come to town.

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I'll go to a Phil Collins show.

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Go to Phil Collins?

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Yeah.

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Have it at Wrigley Field?

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Yeah.

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All right.

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So that's not the only headline Alex wants to talk about.

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He's got another big story that he wants to... He doesn't really talk about this too

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much, but it's definitely like a touchstone that he's like, yeah, look at this.

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Look at this.

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There's also folks trying to pass laws banning the word bitch.

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Oh, what about this?

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Man, Sheck Wes is going to be fucked.

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Every- If you ban bitch, Sheck Wes is done for.

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Yeah.

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Man is trying to ban the word bitch.

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Actually, that's not true.

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There's one person who is, a random person in Massachusetts.

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All right.

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In the state house in Massachusetts, Representative Dan Hunt introduced this bill that would outlaw

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the B word, but it wasn't because he was trying to censor people or overturn free speech,

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as Alex and most of the right wing media would have you believe.

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It's because he was following Massachusetts law.

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How dare you?

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Massachusetts has what's known as the right of free petition that's built into the state

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constitution and actually predates the founding of the United States, which allows citizens

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to send bills to their representatives to be introduced.

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It's the responsibility of state reps to give their constituents a fair hearing in the state

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government, and that's exactly what happened here.

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An unnamed Massachusetts resident sent Dan Hunt a bill to introduce that would outlaw

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the use of the word bitch, and he did what he was supposed to do, since he represents

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that person.

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According to the Guardian, at least 6,000 bills get introduced through the right of

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free petition in Massachusetts every year.

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This is kind of a perfect example of why Alex Jones fucking sucks.

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It's so interesting how Massachusetts has this right of free petition.

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Yeah, I have never heard of that before.

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Why do I not know about that?

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If I were one of his listeners, I would probably get a lot out of learning about how and why

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they're the only state in the country whose state government works that way.

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There's a lot of opportunity for some much needed civics education here, and this is

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a perfect way in for that, to go down that direction.

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Yeah, that's cool as shit.

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Alex could talk about how this quirk of Massachusetts law has allowed real direct action to take

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place, like how in 2013 an 8-year-old kid was pushing for a bill to put restrictions

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on shark finning.

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Or Alex could go the opposite direction and talk about how in 2011 someone tried to request

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their representative do something about how football games were preempting Jeopardy.

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It's the yin and the yang of people actually having a voice.

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Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I realize I know why I don't know about this.

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How many of those 6,000 petitions are, fuck Dave, this guy's an asshole.

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You can go on change.org and see exactly what people would do if everybody knew about this

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circumstance.

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Yeah, I mean a lot of people do in Massachusetts.

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It's just maybe not known.

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Oh, if you live in Massachusetts, I want you to send a bill to your representative, Make

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Knowledge Fight the State podcast.

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I lived in Boston for a number of years, and Cambridge.

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Give me the key to the city.

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Let's get it.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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Knowledge Fight is your new state podcast, and Dan gets the key to Boston.

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Done.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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What?

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We don't need to be the official state podcast, but I would like a parade.

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All right, we can do that.

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Listeners in Massachusetts.

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Give us a parade.

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So this is the sort of thing, I mean granted, maybe we're abusing the system a little bit

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here, but there's a lot that Alex could bring to the conversation to be like, what is behind

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this clickbait story?

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This is interesting.

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This is how civics works in one of the great states in our country, and instead he just

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ignores all of that.

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He doesn't even look at the issue at all.

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He just sees a headline about someone trying to outlaw the word bitch, and he just takes

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it, says good enough, and builds an outrage cycle about how they're trying to suppress

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free speech and the globalists want to control how you talk.

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It's pathetic and trivial.

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It's pointless to even critique because what he's doing is so uninspired, so transparent,

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except to the completely hopelessly lost among his audience.

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What makes it so insanely dumb is to imagine that what he's saying actually is true.

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Imagine if he's right.

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Imagine that someone in the Massachusetts State House was trying to ban the word bitch.

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Who gives a shit?

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That bill would never pass, and even if it did, the Massachusetts ACLU, who Alex hates,

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would get it struck down so fast.

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This is just right-wing outrage clickbait, pure and simple, and when you really get down

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to it, that's most of what Alex has left, and it's sad.

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That's most of what they all have left.

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Right, but Alex, you know, he was bigger than this.

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Yeah, there was a time.

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Or at least he pretended to be bigger than this.

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Higher-minded.

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I suppose it's just too often.

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It's all of right-wing media now because reality is starkly against them.

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They have set themselves so fucking headstrong against the concept of reality itself that

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what else do they have?

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They can't talk about a story.

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They have to make it up.

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I think it's one of those things where you had a really good, not a good, but you had

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a sustainable balance between these right-wing con folk and the rest of the world who just

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wanted to move forward.

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It was a kind of adversarial, like, all right, they flew too close to the sun.

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They took the game to too high of a level where it's just like, everyone is now like,

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okay, you're a problem.

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Could have flown under the radar for quite a while.

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It really could have.

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It's like if you got a job, you can steal $10 a day easy, but if you try and steal $100

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in one day, you'll get caught.

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You wait, spread it out over 10 days, you can steal $100 easy.

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No one's going to notice.

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I'm not sure if this works at every workplace, but you get the theme.

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They could have kept stealing $10 a day, but they wanted that $100, and this is the consequence

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of it.

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I mean, it's the one less job conundrum.

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You're robbing banks.

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You're not going for the vault.

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You're just going for the cash.

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You're doing great.

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You do the one big job, and then you're fucked.

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That's how it goes.

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So this isn't the only free speech issue that Alex has to talk about here.

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He's got another headline.

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So here's a short clip of the video that was shot by the person that complained, and reportedly

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it might've been the N-word.

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We don't get to hear it.

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It's just, it's too dangerous for us evil Americans once the bashing of free speech.

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So these guys are walking along together saying the verboten word, but a good citizen caught

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it.

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There's a big investigation.

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Everyone's panicking in fear right now at the university.

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Here it is.

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Well, this is just incredible.

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We might as well just end the planet at this point.

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And of course, these are the same universities banning Halloween parties, just someone might

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get offended.

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But don't worry.

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The ADL came out and said the okay symbol that law enforcement uses, that divers use,

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that the international sign language associations use for over a hundred years.

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All the times Obama did this, well, it's okay.

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The ADL says he can do it.

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You just can't do it.

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Okay.

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And of course in the NBA, there's a popular clothing line with a three point symbol.

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It's okay if black guys wear it, but if the ADL decides you're going to lose your bank

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accounts, you're going to go to jail because you know, it's, they're our bosses and the

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Southern Poverty Law Center is our boss as well.

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So men arrested for speech in Connecticut.

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They were arrested for speech.

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So this is a case where a couple of white students were repeatedly yelling the N word

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on the campus of UConn outside student dorms.

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While it's not illegal to say the N word, I do think there's a good reason why action

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had to be taken here.

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For one, this was on campus property and it happened at night and in such a public manner

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that someone in one of the buildings taped it.

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This does create an environment where if you're a black student in one of those dorms, it

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would hard, it'd be hard to imagine that it would not like it not making you feel unsafe.

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It would make you feel unwelcome.

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And it's, it doesn't even, it doesn't even need to be the N word specific.

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If you are, if they were out there just screaming blood, blood, blood, it's the same.

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You'd be like, no, we got to get you the fuck out of here.

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Well, yeah.

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And when you add the racial element to it, it doesn't have to be the N word, but it could

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be some other, uh, you know, term or it's, it's the, it's,

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it's the factor of it that is less the word itself and the behavior the way that you're

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doing it.

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It is a threat.

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You are threatening people.

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You are not just exercising free speech.

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The word is bad.

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The behavior is the problem.

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The biggest problem at the word is a big problem too.

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But if you're the school administrators, you have to do something.

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If you don't do anything, you're sending the message that you run a school where this kind

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of thing is acceptable and making people feel unwelcome because of their race is okay.

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It has a very dangerous normalizing effect.

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Just let students run around campus yelling the N word from a school admin perspective.

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The real options here are either kick them out of school or enforce some kind of punishment

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and hope that they learn from their mistake.

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These kids were charged with ridicule based on race, which is a crime in Connecticut.

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According to their general statutes in Connecticut, the law, the punishment for this is a fine

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of up to $50 or 30 days in prison.

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These kids will definitely not get any jail time for this.

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So if I had to bet, I would say that they're going to end up with a $50 fine.

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This is really actually what I think, and maybe I'm wrong on this, I'm willing to be

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told that I'm wrong, but I kind of feel like this is a good process for dealing with abhorrent

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behavior like this, particularly in a college setting.

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There needs to be a punishment, but it shouldn't be overly harsh.

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And the door needs to be open for them to learn about why they did this thing and why

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it's awful.

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So when you have a punishment like this, it's a negative reinforcement, and that's good.

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And it also opens up the possibility of them speaking to people who have a different perspective

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than them.

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And it allows for a conversation with them, hopefully, to become aware of why people take

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this seriously.

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It is a healthy process that can go on.

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And that process is completely disrupted by people like Alex and all this outrage-driven

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right-wing media.

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Because of their framing of the case, people like Alex have created the illusion that these

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two kids are involved in a very important free speech case.

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If they're so inclined, these kids could choose to learn no lesson from this because of the

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exposure that they're getting and take their metric tons of free publicity and turn it

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into a little grift.

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In essence, what the right-wing media does is create a countervailing force against the

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process of growth that could run its course without people like Alex getting involved.

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It's not to say that these kids are going to do this, but they could start a GoFundMe

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for their $50 fines and end up raising $50,000.

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I'm not saying they're going to do that, but you could easily see, oh, let's fucking capitalize

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on this.

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That sort of attention and coverage that they're getting from the right-wing media, it gives

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cases like this the possibility of another path to go down as opposed to learning.

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I think that some people might say, yeah, you should kick them out of school.

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I think in egregious examples, yeah, you probably should.

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In this case, I think that you have the opportunity for some sort of reconciliation.

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I know that they were screaming the N-word, but on an examination of it, the circumstances

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of the case, it seemed like they were yelling other words as well that weren't targeting

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black people and were just trying to play a game where they yelled offensive words.

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Oh, okay.

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It's like the penis game.

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Sure.

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Where two guys just keep, penis, penis, penis, penis.

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They keep trying to, but they were being horribly fucking offensive.

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Yeah.

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The issue comes down to like, okay, given those circumstances, the effect on people

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who are in those dorms and affected by their behavior is not changed, but the possibility

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that they could learn from this and aren't people who want to run around and try and

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terrorize people racially is still there, so you need to make it so the punishment isn't

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so severe that it inhibits the possibility of learning from it.

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I don't know.

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I would be interested in other people's perspective on it, but from where I am looking at it,

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trying to imagine how you would handle this from a school superintendent perspective,

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that seems like the most likely to get the desired outcome that you want.

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I suppose what you're looking for is something that's just.

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You want something that is equally treating the problem and that kind of stuff, and that's

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another thing that the right wing media is absolutely against.

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Right.

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You want to treat the problem and also honor the people who are being affected by the behavior.

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You need to balance those two things.

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Right.

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And the right wing media is like, what if instead we turn them into martyrs?

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That sounds great.

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That sounds like a great idea.

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The ultimate outcome is taking those two considerations and looking for the best way forward in a

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possible way, like a way that is actually achievable.

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And this behavior from the right wing media is not particularly conducive to that.

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No.

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The right wing media is participating and protecting what is a fundamentally unjust

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system, and they fucking love it.

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I mean, it runs through this.

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Like Alex saying that the Proud Boy is getting arrested, or it's tyranny.

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It all runs the same track.

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And Alex doesn't care about this because of free speech.

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He just wants white people to be allowed to yell racial slurs and create hostile spaces

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for non-white people.

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Right.

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He doesn't think that that's a problem.

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Yeah.

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No big deal.

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Free speech, Dan.

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So Norm Pattis comes on at this point while Alex is getting into this story about these

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two students in Connecticut.

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Sure.

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Norm wants to be their lawyer.

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And in talking about why he wants to be their lawyer, warning, Norm uses a word that he

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shouldn't use.

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Oh no.

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We're hoping the phone rings in one of these kids' calls because I think this case is right

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for a constitutional challenge.

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This country has always had a robust commitment to freedom of speech, even offensive speech.

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And the N word is one of those words which is context driven.

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If a black person says to another person, yo, nigger, what up, that's fine.

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If I walk up to a black person and say, yo, nigger, what up, that's a crime.

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And so what makes this word offensive is the context in which it is used.

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And that gives the person offended the ability to turn the honor off with.

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Norm.

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Norm.

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Whoa.

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Norm.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Norm.

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Oh boy.

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Norm.

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Norm.

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Norm.

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Norm.

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Norm.

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Norm.

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Ooh.

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That's, uh, that's really just, that's when you're trying to shoot an arrow at a barn

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and you just miss.

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You'll miss to the side of the barn.

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Jesus.

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These, these, these types of white dude are just never going to fucking get it.

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They're just never going to get it.

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They just want to say the N word real bad because they're not supposed to.

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I hate them.

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It's it's so stupid.

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It's very weird.

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It's very weird because there's no need for Norm to say that.

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No.

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Like the N word, like the word N word earlier in that same sentence.

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There's no reason for.

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And he told you, you know, you know, for a fact, you know, for a fact that he was like,

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well, I'm not hitting the hard R so I'm probably fine.

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You know it.

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You hear it in his head.

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You hear his thoughts come out where he's like, see, I'm genius.

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Right.

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And I mean like, but also like this is, this is something that is so elementary and so

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simple that yes, most language does work as circumstantial.

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Like if I come up to you and I say, give me a dollar, that's not any kind of like intimidation.

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But if I yell at you, give me a dollar, then it turns into a situation where the, the,

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the interaction between us has absolutely changed based on the context of what's being

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said and how it's being said.

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Absolutely.

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Like, are you serious?

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You don't understand that Norm?

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It is funny how he's like, see, it's a context driven word.

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And now I'm going to use it in the precise wrong context to use this word.

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I would argue that any time it's being thrown out on Alex's show, it's a very long context.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No kidding.

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And it's nuts.

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I don't think I, I maybe have heard, I don't know if I've heard the N word on Alex's show

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in the past.

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I am shocked that they didn't bleep that.

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Yeah.

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Well, he can't bleep things.

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I don't know if he has a delay.

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Oh, that's fair.

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That's fair.

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He used to have a delay.

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I don't know what he's doing anymore.

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He used to have a delay, but I don't know what's going on.

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That's incredible.

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I wonder if that like could get him in FCC trouble, like I really, I mean, if he is still

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broadcast on the radio, he claims to be, I imagine people, people have sent me messages

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that they've heard him on a radio.

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Yeah.

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Like I, I just, I feel like, uh, I don't know.

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I don't know what the, I don't know what the rules are.

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It seems like that's pretty wild.

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I don't know.

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Coming from norm, the rules are, uh, or in regards to norm, the rules are never say that

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and preferably stop speaking and practicing law for the rest of your life.

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It's wild.

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Jesus.

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So Alex suggests at this point that the entire incident might be a false flag.

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This whole thing probably fuck out.

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That's my, that's my response to that shit.

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No, no.

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You shut the fuck.

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You're being willfully obtuse.

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You moron.

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Well, I mean it just fits his pattern of anytime there is a white person accused of anything

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bad.

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Probably right.

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It's probably a false flag, but seriously, norm just false flag to you that how do we

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know these guys didn't just see small at something because we have a lot of folks that do this

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to create fear on campuses.

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I'm not saying they did, but the names Mu Juga, I mean, I mean these guys have names, uh,

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that don't sound like, uh, I mean, I, and they don't look or act like white guys either.

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I mean, my whole point is, is that could these have been false flaggers or people just trying

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to tease folks?

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False flaggers.

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Um, the name he's trying to pronounce as an Albanian name, it's like, well, these people

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don't look or act white.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Holy shit.

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Alex.

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Damn.

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They don't look around like that.

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That's a totally fine thing to say that is a totally normal and fine thing to say that

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has no larger meaning whatsoever.

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The context of saying that is always great, Dan.

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That one's a winner.

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How can you have this?

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This conversation should go in the fucking Smithsonian as why white people are bad.

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After Alex has his, like his lawyer says the N word a couple of times, he's like, these

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people aren't, these people don't act white.

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That's bananas.

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Which implies that there is a way that white people act.

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Yeah.

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It's intrinsic.

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Yeah.

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Uh, leaving alone the entirety of like him just being like, they don't look white enough.

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No, no, no, no.

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Holy shit.

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The layers of that are staggering.

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Even trying to unpack that is angering me to an extent.

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I can't.

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That, that whole thing is fucking, you guys, you guys are gone.

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When I was-

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These people are fucking gone.

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When I was listening to this show, like I was kind of bored at the beginning because,

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you know, it's like, okay, the microchipping, the homeless thing.

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That's cruel and stupid, but it's right in line with your normal stuff.

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And then when I got to this, I was like, holy shit.

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Wow.

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This, this is unbelievably wild.

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You know, this is such, this is such like, this is two white dudes who think they're,

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we're in safe territory.

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They're cool.

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That's, that's, it's the same thing we said earlier.

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Speak freely.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, this is, this is some dude coming up to me after a show and telling me like, you want

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to hear a joke and then tossing in racial slurs in the joke.

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Cause he's like, you're white.

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I'm white.

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We know how funny this is.

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And it's like, dude, fuck you right the fuck out of my face.

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When Alex got kicked off social media and YouTube and all that, one of the things that

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I speculated was a possible outcome of it was he was going to just lean in like a lot

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of the stuff that might have been there subtly and under control a little bit before it was

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just going to come up.

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And I mean, just, even just in this episode, we see this whole goddamn thing and Alex's

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ads now having more of a, like this fluoride thing is about attacking Christians.

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Like you see a little bit more of this overtness coming through and maybe it's a combination

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of, um, him being allowed to speak freely, just whatever.

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And then also the desperation that being off social media for this long of a time has created

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in him.

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But whatever the case, like this is, this is crazy.

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Like anybody who is like, Hey, um, Alex is just like a cool, fun truth teller.

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He's entertaining.

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It's like, Hey, what about this stuff?

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I didn't know you could spell info Wars with a KKK.

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And also remember that, uh, norm is also the guy who posted a video, uh, or a picture,

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a meme of like a three white beer cans surround, that's right.

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That's right.

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Clue.

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Cuck's Coors.

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Oh man.

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Uh, so this, this guy, these are bad people.

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Yeah.

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These are truly, truly, and just messed up like this is messed up.

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Yeah.

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So Alex has got some, I want to put some computer chips in them so we can always know where

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they are.

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Alex has, uh, uh, now, uh, at this point, uh, norm has gone, uh, and Alex wants to talk

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about why he wants to stick around on air.

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And I'm so glad moments like that.

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My lawyer dropping N words.

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I'm so glad that we've been around for as long as we have doing this show, because like

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this would sound like, Oh man, that's too ambitious.

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If we had no idea, if we didn't listen to his show, but because we do this takes on

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a layer of hilarity.

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You know, one reason I want to stay on air is because we put out a lot of critical breaking

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news that percolates up into the mainstream and goes through the electronic Berlin wall

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with the deep state.

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The big corporations don't want the information out there.

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So many big stories that are pro-human that really, uh, stop a lot of corruption and evil

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originate here at info Wars.

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That's why they want this broadcast shut down, but listen, I don't want to just continue

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on.

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I want to set up a DC Bureau.

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Oh yeah.

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You already.

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Oh yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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He hit it.

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He hit it.

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We're going to set up a DC Bureau and nothing'll go wrong.

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We already did this.

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We're in reruns right after the election.

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He had Jerome Corsi setting up the DC Bureau.

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That was just in his fucking apartment or whatever nonsense.

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Why are we doing this again?

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This is so I want to set up a DC Bureau with Jerome Dorsey.

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It makes total, it makes total sense though.

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We're coming up on an election season again and that makes, of course, what would be better

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for his purposes?

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I should have someone in DC.

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Why don't I, uh, let's do this again.

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Alex, let me tell you why you don't Jerome Corsi, I'll give you one hint.

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He's suing you now.

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Exactly.

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I think, um, first of all, I would assume that when he did do that, it was when he was

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at the peak of his powers, right after the election, he was on top of the world.

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And I think he probably made a lot of money.

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Well, we saw how much he was paying Corsi.

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Yeah, there's a shit ton of money, but he probably made a lot out of the audience in

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terms of like we're expanding, we're going to get a DC Bureau going.

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It's going to be a legitimate news outlet.

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We're going to get press credentials at the white house.

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I think he probably had a great like profit drive off of that.

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I think he probably wants to see if he can do it again.

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Not going to work.

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Nope.

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So whatever he would achieve by having a DC Bureau would be very easily achieved by having

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an enterprising listener in DC.

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That person, if they're, if he didn't have, if they weren't insane and had a flip phone

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even that he could record on, you could have a DC Bureau in a second or let's say, Hey,

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he's already working with a, I don't know, six unpaid interns running a show now.

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So why not?

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You got nothing to lose.

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I mean, one of your audience members would do it for exposure a hundred percent.

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And if you want to like say, okay, well, you know, maybe an iPhone isn't good enough to

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record your special reports on a fucking camera that costs like a hundred dollars or something

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like that.

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It wouldn't, it would take almost nothing to get a dumb listener in a DC to step up

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to the plate and do whatever you, he had Dan, but Don D go and like just repress conferences.

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Why can't you just do that again, Alex?

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You don't need a DC Bureau because nobody in DC listens, no one listens.

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So we could do it.

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We already had one guest.

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I'm not going to DC.

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All right.

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Uh, that's my, that's my reason.

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That's what you got.

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I do think it would be really fun to work it up at info Wars just as like the contrarian.

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I think it would be really fun to work at info Wars in DC, not in Austin.

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I don't know, my parents live in Austin and there's some good food.

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Oh, that's fair.

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Um, I just mean being physically around him.

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I still think it would be really fun for it to be like court mandated that I have to be

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his cohost.

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Like the fairness doctrine comes back.

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Alex, you could do your show, but Dan has to cohost it.

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Wrong.

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Next.

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That's a lie.

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Next.

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I'm just sitting there laughing at him.

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You're so dumb.

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You're so fucking stupid.

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Why are you so mean to me?

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I would take that job.

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Let it be known.

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Let it be known.

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I believe you.

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I would take that.

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I really believe you.

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There are a few jobs in media I would take.

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That is one of them.

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I would absolutely do that.

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Um, at this point, Alex, you know, we've already had one guest and that is norm who just knocked

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it out of the park.

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Um, so he's a now N word norm, uh, N word, Pattis, uh, and the N word is norm.

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Uh, Alex has another guest and, uh, that is the guy who was on, uh, he was the whistleblower

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for, uh, project Veritas, CNN video, uh, his name is Carrie Porch and here Alex introduces

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him.

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Carrie Porch is in studio with us.

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Wow.

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He's the big CNN whistleblower that project Veritas, uh, released information last week

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with, and now more and more is coming out, but he's just an interesting, smart guy.

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So I want to cover the waterfront with him here today.

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Let's see what he thinks about all sorts of news stories.

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Seems like a good use of time instead of actually really nailing down, you know, the CNN stuff.

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The thing that he's doing.

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Alex doesn't seem to care too much about that.

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He mostly wants to talk about how much they hate him.

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Oh, CNN.

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I bet they really don't like you sitting here in the ATX in studio with me because you were

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saying on air and off air.

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Like I was like the devil at CNN.

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Yeah, you were, you were, you were popular at CNN.

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And other outlets for, uh, for many different reasons.

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Some good, some bad.

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Tell me all about it.

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I know on air they don't like me too much.

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Tell me about me.

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Yeah.

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I love me.

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I want to talk about me.

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Want to talk about me.

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I want to talk about number one.

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Oh my, me, my.

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What I like.

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What I don't.

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What I don't.

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What I don't.

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What I feel.

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I like talking about you, you, you, you usually, but occasionally I want to talk about me.

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Name the song.

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No.

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Toby Keith.

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Of course I don't know that fucking song.

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What?

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You don't know.

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Toby Keith.

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Of course not.

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What about a high maintenance girl?

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Don't want no maintenance, man.

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I really don't like this.

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This is uncomfortable.

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What about beer for my horses?

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You know what?

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I just heard a dude say the N word twice and I'm more uncomfortable now.

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Whiskey for my man, beer for my horses.

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You are singing the N words of songs.

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Those are great songs.

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A lot of, a lot of my karaoke hits should have been a cowboy.

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Should have been a cowboy.

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Should have learned to rope and ride.

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That's possible.

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Great song.

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No, it is not.

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Anyway, this dude stinks like that's how the interview starts and that should tell you

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like Alex is probably not interested in the substance here.

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Right, right, right.

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Well that's because it's a Project Veritas video and everybody knows by now, or at least

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hopefully that they're full of shit.

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Right.

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Which is kind of why I started singing Toby Keith.

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Yeah.

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Not so interested in, uh.

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I do like that his name is a sentence though.

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That's nice.

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Sure.

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Carry Porch.

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Really?

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Carry the Porch?

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No.

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Carry Porch.

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I'm not sure of the sentence.

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Carry Porch.

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Porch.

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Right.

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So like the outside of the house, you carry the Porch?

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No, you carry Porch.

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His name is Porch.

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Carry Porch.

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Is carry the verb?

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Yeah.

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It's a command.

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It's a command.

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You're lifting the Porch.

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No, you're lifting Porch.

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Him.

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We're playing.

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Who's on first?

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I thought the noun you were talking about is the thing that you sit on, like a stoop.

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Right.

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We cannot record this early.

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So Alex talks to this guy and he's, even according to his own telling of the story, he is not

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an important person.

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Again, I wasn't a journalist.

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I was just on the back end of things.

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Very low level.

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Oh, very low level.

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Doing what?

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He was like an uplink satellite guy, from what I understand.

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Oh.

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Well, he's the perfect guy for whistleblowing.

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Yeah.

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So the two of them start talking around and Alex starts telling tales out of school about

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some people who work at CNN.

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Sure.

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By the way, Oliver Darcy, I heard this a few years ago and we haven't looked it up.

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He tried to get a job here like six, seven years ago.

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Oh, wow.

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He tried to work at Breitbart too.

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He was out in California.

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I know people that know him.

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And Chuck Johnson was telling me that.

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I thought Chuck was joking.

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We went and looked it up.

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So here's a guy tried to work here and now he goes to CNN and joins the dark side and

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then literally goes around policing everyone on the internet like he's God.

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You know what's fucked up about this?

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It might be true.

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Is that true?

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I don't know if it's true.

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It seems like I would still need some sort of proof that he tried to work at Infowars.

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But Oliver Darcy was definitely more of a conservative leaning dude years ago.

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Right.

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Right.

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He was on, I can't remember the name of the website, but I found some like 30 under 30

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in conservative media that he was on years ago.

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Oh, okay.

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Like way back.

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Oh, so he's a complete and total shithead.

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I don't, I don't know if that's necessarily true.

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A lot of people have changes of heart, changes of mind, you know, like I think based on their

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job, I don't, I don't know if that's the truth.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know any of the, uh, the actual path that he's had, but I think that, uh, just

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automatically assuming that someone's positions can't change or that there's some sort of

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artificial reason for them to change.

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I think that that's, I'm not saying that you're totally doing that, but I think it's an unhealthy

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impulse.

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Right.

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Of course.

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Just saying that someone used to be more conservative and they now work for CNN and that's somehow

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invalidating.

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I find that to be a little bit, I agree.

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It's a dangerous line.

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I agree.

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However, if it's true that he tried to work to be conservative, that he tried to use,

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that he tried to work at info wars, that's a little bit of a different story.

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Yeah, possibly.

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But I also think that if it's like 2012 info wars, you might not have as much awareness

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of it other than it being a conservative leaning Ron Paul type of a libertarian organization.

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I can see that.

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I can see that.

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It's, it's tough because we know so much about it to view it through how someone else might

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see it.

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Right.

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And like nowadays, yes.

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If you write it for wars, you know what you are fucked, but I think maybe in 2011, 2012,

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you can make a better argument for it not being damning.

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I agree.

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You could make a better argument for it.

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Right.

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Unfortunately, if Oliver Darcy did apply, he didn't realize that the only way to get

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hired there is to win a contest.

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So it's funny that of course they had to go back and look it up.

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They don't look at any of the fucking resumes that people said, no, you gotta, you gotta

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say Bill Clinton's a rapist on TV.

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Then you get a fucking two year contract.

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If you put a CV, if you attach like a, like a cover letter or resume, it goes straight

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to spam.

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Can't read.

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Please.

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So I'll complain some more about Darcy here.

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There it is.

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All tweet reveals CNN reporter used to mock network CNN, but, but now he's there.

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Now he's a big boy and with a look at that face to scroll down, would you buy a used

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car from that gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry, I don't mean to be mean, but I

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mean, give me a break.

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More instances of Alex taking a people's physical appearance and applying virtue to whatever

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they look like.

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It's a good thing he's not a used car salesman then.

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Yeah, I guess so.

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What are you talking about here is that like Fox news dug up some old tweets of Oliver

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Darcy before he worked at CNN critiquing CNN's coverage.

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Like I can't remember the last time it wasn't breaking news on CNN.

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That's right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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And that's cool, man.

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You can clown on him for like a critiquing CNN and then working there.

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But it's also important to point out that his job at CNN is media criticism.

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Oh really?

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So it almost feels interesting.

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It almost feels like what he was doing before working there was conditioning.

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Now, I don't know if like nowadays he doesn't, uh, critique CNN.

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Um, I don't, I don't know if that there's nothing to critique CNN for these days.

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Yeah, fine.

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They're right on.

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Yeah.

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If that is a thing where it's like, well now he doesn't speak ill of the company at all,

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but it's a little bit basically him doing a job, but he's a company man.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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But the old tweets don't mean anything.

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No, it is just sort of like, well that is what he was doing and now he's doing it for

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them.

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Yeah.

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We got to have a, we got to have some kind of like moratorium on the looking up old tweets.

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We just got to look, I get it.

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Let's let's start from here.

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You know, we start now everybody gets a clean slate.

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We start now any bullshit from then.

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Now we're, I think, I think it's the same thing with like doing undercover journalism,

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like lying about your identity or whatever.

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I think that there needs to be an actual reason for it.

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You know, like you can't ethically use deception in order to tell us to get a news story unless

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that news story is such importance to the public.

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It's worth it.

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Yeah.

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And the only way you can get it is basically.

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Exactly.

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And with old tweets, let's say I think that there is a public interest when it's like

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someone who's trying to rebrand who used to be like a fascist, then I think that there

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is a public need or there, there's a justification for those old tweets.

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But when it's just like, ha ha, you used to make fun of CNN and now you work there, it's,

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it's petty and stupid.

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Or the people who take out of context joke tweets, like what happened with Mike Cernovich

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trying to get Sam Cedar fired from MSNBC.

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Those sorts of things are all just like, yeah, those, they need to put a moratorium on, but

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you know, I don't know.

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I just suggest we have, I think everybody on the planet should delete all of their old

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tweets right now.

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Just right now.

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Everybody do it.

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I'm sure.

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Why not?

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Done.

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I don't know.

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They should, there should be a self-destruct button just built into Twitter where like

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your tweets go away after a week.

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You can.

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There is that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You can get one of those.

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You should.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, Alex does not have sponsors, but that doesn't mean he's not going to give some

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companies a free ride.

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Okay.

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Hey, is this your first time in Texas?

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No, I've been through Texas many times over my life.

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Have you ever had a Topo Chico?

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I can't say I have.

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They are not a sponsor, but let me tell you, this is some super good mineral water.

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Okay.

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Super good.

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Okay.

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Unplay, unpaid plug for Topo Chico.

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Okay.

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Probably don't want that plug.

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No, no, no, Topo Chico, the official mineral water of Infoworth.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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So then Alex gets into like, Hey man, you know, I've got to say what this is because

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if I don't, everyone's going to think it's booze.

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You know, I ran into some folks, they said that, you know, Alex, I think you're better

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when you're drunk on air.

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And I'm like, you know, when was that?

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So no, sir.

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Um, maybe on election night we had a little bit of champagne, but back with Roger Stone

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smash cut to every time he's been fucked up.

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When was that?

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Yeah.

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Come on, Alex.

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I imagine that you thought about putting together a super cut and then you were like, there

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are just too many.

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I got too busy watching Bone Thugs and Phil Collins videos, but yeah, there's so many.

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It's ridiculous.

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Or that night at the Diplora ball when he was like, I'm going to go pee on that tree.

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When he was out like, uh, and he was yelling at that lady calling her cupcake and she's

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like, I can smell booze on your breath.

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Oh yeah.

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You're drunk.

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Oh man.

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Cupcake.

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Like, come on man.

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Don't fucking pretend.

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Like, I don't think it's wrong to drink.

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I don't think even if you're drinking well, I mean, I think it's super irresponsible to

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do what Alex does drunk, like it's irresponsible to do it sober, but like if he's out at the

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Diplora ball and he's doing a live remote shoot or something like that, who gives a

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shit?

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No kidding.

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But don't pretend that you don't as if, as if somehow, and sure, maybe he's not drinking

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now.

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Great.

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I bet you will soon.

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I don't.

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I don't.

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Trump gets impeached.

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He's going to get so drunk and have another breakdown screaming on air that, that whole,

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that's just abusive dad bullshit that like, yeah, tell me when I get drunk and it's like,

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fuck you.

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Don't make me hassle.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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Jesus Christ.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, they discuss this, uh, this video that Carrie helped, uh, project Veritas make

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and, uh, his experience of it was he was still working at CNN when the first video was going

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to be released.

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Like it was going to be, they put a teaser out that they were going to release it.

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And so he had to escape the building.

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He was there at work and he had to leave and he went out into a van and then project Veritas

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help him move out of his house and flee the city.

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It's like really overly dramatic.

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You got fleeced by project Veritas.

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It's really overly dramatic stuff.

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They stole your life.

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You idiot.

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So Carrie talks about that here a little bit and he says that the experience of watching

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the project Veritas video in the van leaving CNN was cool, but I don't think he articulates

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the word very well, especially the guys at CNN and nobody's dumb.

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They know that now they know that I wasn't the only one there.

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So there was other people there and our crew, um, yeah, we just sat in the back of the old

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ass U-Haul van and just watched it on an iPad and it was kind of cruel, kind of cruel, kind

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of cruel, cool, cruel, cool, cruel.

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I mean it is kind of cruel to be stuck in a U-Haul van watching a fucking live video

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made by project Veritas on an iPad after they stole your goddamn life.

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He was willing.

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Yeah.

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So Alex has this guy, Carrie Porch on the show to talk about his big CNN whistleblowing

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that he did with James O'Keefe and project Veritas and it's not a good interview.

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Carrie is not the chatty sort and it doesn't seem like he's too into Alex's sense of humor.

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So the interview is kind of like walking through calf deep mud.

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Carrie is trying to be humble and accurate and constantly refers to himself as a low

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level employee, but Alex needs that not to be true or at least the perception of that

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not to be true.

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So he has to keep correcting him and saying shit like sometimes the lowest level gives

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the best of you.

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You could get a bird's eye view from the ground.

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It's the opposite of the bird's eye view, Alex.

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It's a mess.

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Carrie seems very dumb and to be on board with Alex's worldview entirely, but the two

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of them have zero chemistry.

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So in the middle of the interview, Alex becomes preoccupied with proving to Carrie that your

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light bulbs are spying on you and that Trump was probably being spied on by light bulbs.

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Carrie seems politely interested in looking into it and like, yeah, I'll look into that.

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But Alex, because the interview is such a dud, becomes hyper focused on proving it to

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him.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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And it just goes off the rails.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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I'll look at the light bulbs and I'll pull up the news stories.

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I'll totally do it.

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Oh, man.

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I did a special report on this.

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We'll just play it.

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Dude.

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It's a mess.

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Your light bulb is not covered right now.

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So.

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Yeah.

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What if he's right?

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Yeah.

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It's a it's a mess of an interview.

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I went and watched the Project Veritas video about this because I guess I like pain.

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Yeah.

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Why would you do that?

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I'm here to report.

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It's a real swing and a miss.

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Oh, what?

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Yeah.

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What do you know?

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They're O for all of their videos?

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That's a surprise.

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It's really crazy to me to like part of this interview that they're doing is like I just

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don't understand why the mainstream media is covering up this Project Veritas interview.

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Maybe history.

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Yeah.

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Maybe.

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Don't care.

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Yeah.

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Oh, did Project Veritas put out a video?

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Sure.

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Great news.

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It's a four part series, but I only watched the first one because that seemed to be the

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one that was focused on Kerry and because it was boring as shit.

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So there's no way I was going to keep going after the first one.

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That is enough.

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This boils down to more or less some employees saying that CNN CEO Jeff Zucker doesn't like

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Trump personally and that the editorial decisions are to cover negative stories about Trump

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like how people are talking about impeaching him.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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I don't like Jeff Zucker and I think CNN's a mess.

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The entire institution of profit driven news or political commentary is completely fucked

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and probably needs to be fixed.

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So please, please don't think that I'm here to go to bat for the people who are being

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targeted by Project Veritas.

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These folks deserve plenty of criticism.

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It's just that the valid kind is never going to come from James O'Keefe.

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What?

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If the main criticism you're primarily lodging at the head of a is that the head of a company

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doesn't like the president enough, it seems like the situation you'd prefer is if everyone

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liked the president enough, which sounds pretty authoritarian to me.

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If your criticism is that the network is chasing ratings, then fine.

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But then why is your whistleblower going on info wars?

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Alex tried to cause a panic last week that Trump was going to get assassinated at his

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rally in Dallas just to drive traffic to his website.

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He's so much more guilty of this than CNN.

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Yeah.

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I hate it when people chase ratings like CNN and no one else.

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Yeah.

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Honestly, all of James O'Keefe's exposes are complete trash and embarrassing, but this

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one's particularly weird to watch.

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Here you have a guy who works at CNN talking to his coworkers about stuff like what the

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newsroom was like on the day after the election.

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They think they're just having a conversation with a friend or an acquaintance.

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They have no idea he's secretly recording them so he can give the tape to a shithead

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propagandist.

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It's a pretty messed up violation of their trust and it really doesn't reflect well on

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the character of this Kerry guy.

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It's just kind of, it bums me out.

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Like I can't even begin to quantify the number of times I've talked insane shit at work.

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The workplace is an environment where nearly everyone has something to complain about and

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everyone's got something to say about what's wrong with the bosses.

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Others often build rapport with each other off by venting and that's kind of what's being

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hijacked and abused here in order to make this video.

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It feels dirty and invasive, but I guess it bought Kerry Porch 15 minutes of fame in the

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right wing media and it kept O'Keefe useful to his dark money patrons, so I hope it's

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worth it.

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God, that sucks so hard.

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It's a real bummer.

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In the workplace, that is dropping a bomb.

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Since now every time I have an interaction, is somebody videotaping this for fucking James

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O'Keefe?

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Yeah.

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God, that sucks.

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Yeah, and you got a question like now every single time that you'd talk to this guy before

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then was he just buttering you up in order to do this?

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It's so...

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And it's a state where you can record without the other party's consent.

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Yeah, New York is a one-party consent state, but Kerry had to actually be having those

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conversations.

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He couldn't just record other people talking, so he actually had to engage with these people

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in order for it to be legal, which is another layer of this.

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I understand that you think that you're doing something big here and showing CNN is evil

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and all this, but you're not.

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It doesn't demonstrate what you think it does, and in order to do this, you have to really

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violate people's...

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I mean, it's the sort of thing that if you sit back for a second and think about it,

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you should be so ashamed to act like this, and these people never will.

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No, this is something that can only be done by a shitty person who believes lies, or an

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amazing person who is actually doing good.

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Yeah, and James O'Keefe is using this dude.

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It's pure and simple.

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He's using him, and he's willingly being used.

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Absolutely.

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From everything I can tell, and listening to this interview and watching the video,

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he's not some guy who got roped into this.

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He's on board, but at the same time, James O'Keefe couldn't get these people to say what

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they say in the video, but someone who you think is your friend at work, you might talk

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this kind of shit around them and think everything is totally fine.

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It's such an invasion of privacy and gross.

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They talk about how big tech is all invading our privacy, and then to turn around and act

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like this to other people in real life is just... it's monstrous.

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And it's just so stupid.

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These guys just don't get that the grift is more important than you, and you will be tossed

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aside when you're not useful for the grift.

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Alex was tossed aside by Trump once he stopped being useful.

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He doesn't care.

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And he will be tossed aside in a much larger way.

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Even if Trump solidifies his power and becomes a dictator, Alex isn't useful.

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No matter what circumstance, you will be chewed up and spit out.

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Trump as a dictator, you don't want Alex anywhere near Trump as a dictator.

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You want somebody who gives the veneer of reality.

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The only way that Alex could make his brand continually worthwhile would be to constantly

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be in opposition to whatever.

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Him choosing to go along with Trump is the... the second he decided that it's all these

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consequences that have come from it were inevitable.

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We said it on the second episode of the podcast, the worst thing that has ever happened to

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Alex is Trump actually winning.

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And not happened to him.

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No, no, no.

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Decision he made.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I guess you could make the argument that him supporting him if Trump had lost would have

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worked out fine.

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I think everybody...

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I think, yeah, you're probably right.

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I really do think everybody wanted Trump to lose.

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The whole game was supposed to be Trump loses.

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The decision to support Trump was a bad one, but it could have gone okay if Trump lost.

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Yeah.

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That is because he did, you know, he supported Ron Paul all those times and he lost.

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That's fine.

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You've got all the...

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You can't support someone who wins.

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There's a deep state who cheated.

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Yeah.

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You've got years of material out of that.

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Right.

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Alex could be using all the same narratives that he uses now without Trump being president

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in a much more effective way.

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Oh, yeah.

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You can make excuses for why you're not getting the changes you want to see in the world.

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Yeah.

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Everything works better.

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Or even the best move probably would have been to be on Trump's side for like the first

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50 or 60 days and then go hard against him and do that whole thing.

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Yeah.

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The world is your oyster, really, if Trump loses.

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But since he won, Alex has kind of backed into a corner and he feels like he has ownership

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over the election and he made it happen and that's a real fucked up box for you to be

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in if you're Alex Jones.

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You just can't do it.

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Because you think you did a great thing and if you change that...

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You think you did it.

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You think...

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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And if you change, that means you have to admit that you were wrong, which he is great

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at doing.

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Yeah.

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I guess.

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So, this next clip is pretty interesting because Kerry claims that he used to be a leftist.

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Sure.

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All right, buddy.

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You have a good time.

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Yeah.

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So, he discusses his fucked up political alignment in this next clip.

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Okay.

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This doesn't make sense to me.

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Because you called yourself a liberal and I don't call that a leftist, I mean, liberals

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are classical Americans in my view.

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What was your view before you were on the inside of the beast at CNN and then what would

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you call yourself now?

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So, yes.

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And, you know, I use the term loosely with liberal and everything, but, you know, I supported

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Bernie in the 2016 election, voted for him, caucused for him in the primaries and then

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voted for Gary Johnson in the general just because I didn't like Hillary and I didn't

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like Trump.

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So, I just went third party and nobody said my vote mattered until obviously the next

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day.

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But I would actually say I was more on the term of leftist or far left when I got to

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CNN and then from what I saw, the two and a half year journey, I basically got to red

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pill myself on YouTube while I was in the bureau and I would say I'm mostly center right

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libertarian kind of right now, but definitely leaning more and more conservative with each

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passing day.

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You know, I spoke at a Turning Point event in College Station last night, a bunch of

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great kids there, great people and it was a lot of fun to meet a lot of people that,

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you know, just wanted to know what happened.

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Well, you'll get a big scarlet letter put on you if you do this, but that's really a

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badge of honor.

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But I'd like to talk about doing some projects with you or offer you a job here.

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Of course.

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We need new reporters.

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We need folks that can run a couple of reporters.

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You seem like a smart, competent guy.

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You're a likable guy in person and we don't have a big budget around here, but I'd really

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like to try to get you to do some work with us.

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I can't pay you, but you want to work here?

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Hey, you got 15 minutes of fame on you.

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I'd like to vampirically feast off that.

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Hey, guy who's suing his parents because they kicked him out of their home.

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Hey, you want to work here?

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Hey, Obama phone lady, you want a job?

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Hey, caller, you want a job?

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Hey, house phone.

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This makes me think that maybe I could get that job at InfoWars co-hosting.

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Nah, you'd have to butter him up first.

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Alex, I think you're great.

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You'd have to scrub all your old tweets.

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That wouldn't be hard.

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I'd barely tweet.

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Yeah, this is sad.

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I think that what you see here is him expressing a path that probably a lot of people who didn't

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have principled stance take.

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You just watch a bunch of dumb propaganda right wing videos on YouTube and you're like,

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oh my God.

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Then you probably overestimate how left you were to begin with just so you can make it

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seem like I am one of the ones who came out of the cold.

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It's a much more compelling story for the right wing folks like Alex.

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But really, the bottom line of it is I watched a bunch of shit on YouTube and it warped my

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perceptions.

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I just cannot understand people who watch a bunch of videos on YouTube and form a political

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opinion about it.

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I just don't get it.

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It's strange.

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It's just crazy.

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Yeah, but it is the ultimate goal of those people who are making those YouTube videos.

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And the algorithm will do that to you, but yeah.

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It's kind of sad.

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Read.

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Just read.

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Well, no, no, no, no.

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It takes too much effort.

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No, there's words on paper and they're comprehensive.

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The books are big.

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The YouTube videos are dumb.

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One of the good things about the possibility of working at Infowars is you wouldn't have

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to read.

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That's true.

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You would never have to read.

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That's true.

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And it does seem serious that Alex is offering him a job.

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Again, my, my lady and I were entertaining everything that's coming our way.

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We're not ruling out anything.

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I'm sure you can appreciate.

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Oh, I love it.

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Well, before you go today, I'm going to do a shoot right after the show, but we should

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talk on the phone about ideas you've got because I'm trying to hire a few more reporters, a

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few more people, especially for 2020 to really go out there and fight.

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And you can see here, this is totally transparent.

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How are you going to hire people?

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You're having an everything must go sale.

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This is your shows falling apart at the seams.

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Your producers can't handle doing live radio.

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This is a mess.

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This is a disaster.

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Yeah.

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What kind of ideas do you have?

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Tell me what kind of ideas you have.

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I'm looking to hire somebody.

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Oh, here's your ideas.

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Here's me.

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All of your ideas.

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Here's an idea.

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Uh, get used by James O'Keefe.

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Yeah.

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There we go.

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That seems to be what this guy brought to the table.

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I would love to steal whatever you got.

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So this dude was a leftist.

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Cool.

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But here's a clip that I believe invalidates, uh, his, uh, leftist credentials.

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What we need to do more of his project, very tough stuff in the field as well.

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And I wish there were more groups like Veritas and I know that James O'Keefe does as well.

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It's kind of scary that that's the only group that, that is as successful as he is.

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Well, that's just a Testament to James and his team.

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Like he is very, uh, very particular with who he hires and vets and everything.

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Like he and I talked for almost two months, you know, while he and his team were vetting

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me on quietly, making sure that I wasn't a, a CNN plant trying to share inside.

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And boy have they not tried to destroy him and put him in prison.

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I mean, they've sued him.

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It's tape.

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It's, I mean, even when I was a leftist, I didn't like James, but I respected him because

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he had the tape.

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I was like, Oh, okay.

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It's you know, acorn and this and that.

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I'm like, well, it's, you know, my people at the time, but I'm like, you can't argue

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with tape.

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Can't argue with tape, man.

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That is invalidating.

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Either you were a leftist and you're the dumbest human being there's ever been, or you weren't

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a leftist and you're still the dumbest human being.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it is, it is a possibility that he was, you know, inclined towards the left and

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he was just profoundly stupid.

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Just thought James was actually, like there are people on the left who don't read also.

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It's not like a that's unique to Alex's absolutely, but yeah, if you're somebody who is inclined

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towards left positions and you think that James O'Keefe is accurately portraying things

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in the videos that he's putting out, that means you're inclined towards the right.

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Yeah.

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Quite frankly.

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Because otherwise you would look into it and you'd be like, Oh, this is all complete bullshit.

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Like the video, he brings up acorn and like that video, Alex still pretends that James

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O'Keefe was wearing the pimp outfit when he went in to talk to the people at acorn.

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Of course he does, like he, Alex even doesn't realize the manipulation that he's been subjected

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to.

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Right.

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So fuck all this shit.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I can see, actually I will, I will give him this, I imagine that he considers

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himself a leftist or he considered himself a leftist because he had basic human empathy.

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And if you do have that, then chances are, you're going to say you're, you're on the

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left.

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It's possible that in hindsight, he's, but he was also stupid.

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So he watches those videos and he's like, well, this overrides my basic human empathy

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because these are facts.

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These are giving me a reason to ignore my empathy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Who cares?

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Whatever his self described journey is, maybe there's some perception that he has that feels

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accurate, but I don't give it any credence.

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So he's already said that YouTube videos got him on the path that he's going on.

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Even if that were true, I just wouldn't admit that.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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That's lame.

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I would say I read a book.

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Even say Ayn Rand, that's lame, but at least it's awful, but at least it's a, yeah.

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So he's in this next clip going to complain about people who think that YouTube radicalizes

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people, but he's already said that he was radicalized and he does sort of reiterate

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that YouTube was a big part of it.

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What an idiot.

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I mean, before I torched my Facebook the morning of obviously, but you know how they do the

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memories thing like, Hey, do you remember this five years ago?

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And, and it was me doing like some, you know, crazy far left ideology posts and whatnot

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like that.

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I'm like, Oh, it's a total cringe fest.

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I'm like, was it a process or a moment when you got out of the cult process?

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It was this process of work, coming to work in DC and kind of seeing how the sausage is

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made slowly, but surely, uh, you know, watching an ecosystem of videos here and there and

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just being open enough to start to actually entertain other ideas, you know, without accepting

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them at that time, but just being open enough to, okay, let's

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see what the other side has to say.

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And there was a whole ecosystem on YouTube where I could go from one video to the next.

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I know they're going to take this out of context as see the YouTube radicalizes people.

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You remember that New York times article, but it just got me a point where I could start

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watching pieces of several different people's videos and was slowly but surely kind of red

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peeling me in the process.

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Just because you saw the manipulation.

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I did.

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And that's what opened me.

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You see the manipulation of the, uh, that's itself manipulate.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you, this is so woefully transparent, like this is just somebody who fell victim

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to the algorithm.

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Yep.

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Probably started watching a ton of these, like Stefan Molyneux videos and Dave Rubin

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and shit.

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We're just having ideas.

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We're just having a free exchange, open exchange of ideas.

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Debate me.

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Fuck off.

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Sure.

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I mean, this is, this is a story that you hear over and over and over again.

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Um, and good luck.

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Not to, not to you listening, but to this guy.

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Good luck.

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This isn't, this isn't a good path.

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Yeah.

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The problem is it's just so like they do it so gradually because you know, if you were

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talking to somebody and you hadn't been radicalized by the YouTube videos and they took a big

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swing, you know, say you are somebody who voted for Bernie and like, you're like, I

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consider myself on the left.

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And then you watch a YouTube video where it's like, white people are under attack.

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You're going to be like, nah, okay, fine, whatever.

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But if it's just like, Hey, you know, this guy can't say this anymore.

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And you're like, yeah, I noticed that I can't say that's the function of people like Dave

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Rubin.

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Then the algorithm goes and takes you down there, but it's just like, man, it's too easy.

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Yeah, totally.

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It's just too easy.

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Yeah.

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But you, you need to rise the temperature gradually and that's why people like a Steven

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Crowder or Dave Rubin are so essential to this pipeline.

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It gets people down towards more radical ideas, YouTube to terrorism pipeline.

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It's why you have people like, you know, like Dave Rubin has these guests on like Katie

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Hopkins or like these sorts of people who are fucked up and he presents them as normal.

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And that leads to a greater ability for people to end up considering people like, Oh, they're

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just, you just have normal ideas.

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You just disagree with them.

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And that's why you like, no, she's, she's trying to kill all the Muslims.

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She's a genocider.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He's been teasing that he's going to go to calls with this whistleblower for a long time

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on the show.

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And he finally gets around to it when there's 10 minutes left in the show.

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And instead of going to actual calls, he immediately goes to a friend of Carrie's who's called

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in who apparently served with him overseas in the service.

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And this is how that goes.

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I'm going to go to Carlos.

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I'm going to go to Johnny solo, Ryan, Michael, and Chris, but let's go to your buddy Scott

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Goldsmith that you know, from Iraq, another veteran.

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Thanks for holding Scott.

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You're on the air in the sky.

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Trooper Scott.

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Oh, this is a Chinese target to take over your contract.

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Super American.

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Oh, I see a, I break in the side.

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Scott Goldsmith, Scott Goldsmith is has credit score gone down.

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So now I'm actually from China break in.

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Oh, you're not the only say we have LeBron James.

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When a, for the people who are not, you know, you're just listening to this.

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Ryan's mouth was a gape when that call started.

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Your jaw was wide open.

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Just I just, I just, I can't believe that this show would also have a guy say the N

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word a couple of times.

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Yeah.

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It's shocking.

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Cannot believe that this is a family show, Dan.

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It's pretty amazing.

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Like this, I think this is a good way to demonstrate to people that like, Hey, Alex is making these

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videos where he does this, uh, offensive Chinese voice on a dragon cartoon and the audience.

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The response to it, they like it to the point where this guy is calling in and he does it

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as a joke.

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I'm going to get on all the act.

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You can hear that dumb asshole laughing, you know, like Jesus, fuck you.

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If you were on the left, we don't want you.

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It's a funny gag.

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Get the fuck out.

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Yeah.

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So this turns a bad, all right, let's go to more calls here.

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Uh, let's talk to, uh, sorry.

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Stop doing that.

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Let's talk like that.

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Let's talk to solo in Kentucky.

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Oh, oh, we saw, we saw the Kurds bombed in Kentucky on ABC news.

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Oh, good media.

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Oh, Trump, leave the Kurds.

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Sorry.

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Solo.

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Go ahead.

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So on October 14th, ABC aired some footage that was purportedly, uh, from Syria.

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There was actually a quote nighttime machine gun demonstration from a shooting range in

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Kentucky.

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Ever since this point, right wing media figures like Alex have latched onto this as an excuse

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to pretend that there has not been horrible shit happening to the Kurds in Northern Syria.

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ABC apologized for the error and is investigating how the mistake was made.

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This is a big mess up, but it was handled appropriately in terms of how news operations

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are supposed to work.

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They fucked up, they apologized and they made a correction.

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It doesn't matter though.

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People like Alex can fuck up and lie a million times, never apologize, never correct anything.

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And if you slip up once, they'll point to it over and over to portray you as the unethical

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party.

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Game.

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Childish game.

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Yup.

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I personally don't care too much about this stupid game of finger pointing.

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The truth is that ABC did fuck up in a big way and in doing so handed a weapon to the

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parties that want to whitewash and genocide, uh, justify allowing a potential genocide

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to take place.

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Senator John Cornyn said on Wednesday quote, if Turkey was planning on coming into Northern

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Syria and trying to ethnically cleanse the Kurds and us troops were caught in the middle,

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I'm not completely convinced that it was a bad idea to get them out of harm's way.

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Last week talking about Northern Syria, Trump himself said about Turkey quote, they had

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to have it cleaned out.

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In the immediate aftermath of Trump's withdrawal, Turkish forces moved in and started attacking.

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Tens of thousands of civilians were displaced as they had to flee for their lives.

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On the 13th it was reported that Turkish backed militants had executed nine people, including

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the secretary general of the future Syria party, Hevrin Kalaf, who was the leader, uh,

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who is a leader pushing for a more democratic state.

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And these are far from the only civilians that were killed.

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Pointing to one video that ABC News got wrong doesn't undo Hevrin Kalaf's execution nor

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the deaths of all these other people.

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All it does is give Alex a crutch to feel right when he, all he's doing is supporting

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an unjustifiable foreign policy decision that has doomed countless people to displacement,

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life under a dictator or death.

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Fuck Alex Jones.

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These are the sorts of moments that you need to fully understand when people say that Alex

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is funny or this is just entertainment.

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Were the hosts of the RTLM in Rwanda funny?

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Was it just entertainment?

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Was Lord Haha funny?

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Is that just entertainment?

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Is this entertainment?

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Alex is carrying water for Trump abandoning the Kurds while doing a racist Chinese accent.

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Is that just funny?

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It's not funny and it's not entertainment.

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It's cruel and malicious propaganda.

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And the only thing I can really take solace in at this point is that I believe he'll probably

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live long enough to extremely regret his actions.

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That's the only thing I can really hang my hat on because at this point, like there's

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just, there's just no words for how...

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No, I just can't.

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He's doing an incredibly racist Chinese accent while minimizing and defending a genocide.

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So I don't know what else.

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If you can't recognize that as not just immoral, but like some level of something that I can't.

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Just complete psychopathy.

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It's next level to a point.

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I think that if history understands...

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The problem that I have is I don't think that Alex is very relevant and I don't think that

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he's affecting things nearly to the point that people like the broadcasters on the RTLM

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did.

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I don't think Alex is causing any...

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I'm sure he's causing some harm, but not to the extent that those propagandists did in

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those circumstances.

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No, of course.

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Of course.

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But he's trying to.

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Like his intention is very similar.

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It's to minimize these very serious situations and deflect anybody being concerned about

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it in service of supporting Trump at any cost.

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I think history is going to have a very complicated look at this if they actually take what he's

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doing seriously as opposed to being like, yeah, he was an asshole conspiracy theorist,

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which is I think what a lot of people do.

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But in reality, he's as bad as you can get.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't understand how nobody...

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I really am amazed.

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I'm not amazed.

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And I do understand.

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That's the problem.

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Let me put it that way.

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It is so normal that John Cornyn will face no discipline for literally saying, I'm fine

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with ethnic cleansing.

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Of course he won't.

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That's how awful it is.

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It is totally normal that not even other senators are...

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They're like, oh, he shouldn't have said that.

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That's what we've got now.

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That's what we've got.

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Yeah.

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And you know it.

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You understand it.

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You know, like you want to say...

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It's normal.

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You want to say so bad.

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I don't get it.

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And it's like, no, of course you do.

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It's what's been going on for so long.

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Yeah.

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Cornyn should be kneecapped.

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I mean it.

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I mean it.

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He should literally...

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I don't want harm to come to anybody, but his knee should be blown out.

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What a fucking prick.

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I don't support the use of violence for political gains, but I understand why you're expressing

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yourself that way.

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I don't want political gains out of this stuff.

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I have no political gains if you've gotten out of this.

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Just trying to push back on your violent talk.

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That's all I'm doing.

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This is just...

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I hear you.

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I hear you.

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And I think that one of the things that's really important, and I hate to say like,

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ha ha, our show is important, because I don't know if it really is all that important.

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But when you talk about Alex Jones, this is the stuff that like really is the balance

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that's important.

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This is this, like this dude is like way out of line here.

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But at the same time, he's also running commercials where he brags about having a chainsaw.

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There is a farcical aspect to a lot of the work he does.

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But underneath it, there is this like, if he had an opportunity to, he would defend

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a genocide.

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Oh, 100%.

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Because that's the behavior that he's manifesting here.

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And that is important to consider.

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Because should things ever get bad enough in this country where we're talking about,

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like let's say, getting rid of all Muslims in the country, like deporting all of them,

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he would be for it.

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And he would be behaving in this sort of way.

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Oh, of course.

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And that's, that's not, not relevant.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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So we have one last clip here and Barnes has shown up.

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Great.

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Because Barnes also wants to talk to the Google whistleblower.

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Barnes wants to throw some N-words around too.

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He's like, hey, wait, I was his lawyer first.

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See, this is where it gets into a really interesting conversation.

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We had Patis come in and he did what he did.

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Yeah.

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Now we're going to hear what Barnes says.

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And afterwards, I challenge you to answer, discern which one is, are we playing the greatest

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fucking game?

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Joe is the worst lawyer on the October 23rd episode of Alex's show.

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The Russians are not a threat.

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They don't like Putin in particular because Putin is anti the sort of a EU established

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order of things.

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They can't push putty put around.

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Exactly.

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And that's what drives them nuts.

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Same reason why they hate Trump is the reason why they hate Putin.

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Putin is not a threat to the United States.

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He could be a great ally to the United States of the war against Islam and in dealing with

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China.

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We're pushing Russia.

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I get very honest.

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The war against Islam.

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Yeah.

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That's what it is.

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Oh, boy.

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So, Jordan, I ask you, which of these lawyers is more fucked up, the guy coming in and talking

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about the N-word and saying the N-word or the lawyer who comes in and very bluntly and

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confidently declares we're at war with a religion?

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Man, you know, I want to say congratulations to both our competitors.

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You guys, you guys really left it all out on the field today.

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You didn't think it was possible that that clip was going to in any way cause any kind

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of like, I wonder which is worse.

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I just didn't see it coming.

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Yeah.

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And there we have it.

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I, oh man, I'm going to, you know, you want, you want to go with just pure numbers.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there are more, there are more people, but I'm going to, I'm, I can, let me give

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you, while you're thinking, let me give you my thought on it.

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Okay.

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I think that viscerally norm takes the win, but if you step back and look at it a little

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bit more, I think probably what Barnes is saying might be worse in as much as he's sort

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of declaring the holy war or he's like, there is a lot more that should that world of you

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be accepted more broadly.

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What you would be looking at is probably the world or at very least like a very, very fucked

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up campaign of trying to rid the world of Islam.

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And I think that would probably have far worse effects than norm being allowed to say the

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N word.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Well, well see, that's not to minimize the experience of people who have to hear norm

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say the N word.

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This is, this is the thing, right?

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I mean, I guess it's more just like Barnes came out and said the war against Islam and

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then Alex said, I applaud your honesty.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And norm only kind of pointed to a major thing, which is the war against minorities.

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So you know, which, which one are you going to go with the war against?

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And let me be clear, I'm not saying like, I don't want to add like a position of like

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relative bad.

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No, I know.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Um, but it, it seems like one implies a world war.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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It's Jesus.

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These fucking guys are, you know, I feel like the bar should be harder to pass, I guess.

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I think, I think that's a real issue.

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Is it, is it a lawyerly behavior to say the N word on Alex's show?

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Could you get, oh, well, legal systems broken.

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Yep.

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I think the, I think these guys have just really done a great job at a, at illuminating

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how everything is broken.

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I can't, I can't, I cannot believe how shocking this episode was in some ways.

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Um, just, it's just bananas, just, I mean, it's staggering just alone that on one episode

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of his show, Alex had both of his lawyers as guests.

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Yeah.

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That's crazy.

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That alone.

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And then the fact that both of them took such huge swings, just crazy, crazy shit.

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One saying the N word and the other declaring a war of Islamophobia.

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This is just also, these two dudes are perfect examples of why this show is so the weakest

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link.

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You know, this is what we've talked.

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How many people in their, in their quiet moments when, guess what, no one's listening and it's

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just us guys.

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How many people would say, I applaud you for saying the war on Islam.

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You know, so many who in public, in public, no, no, no, no.

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We'd never talk about that.

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We'd never say that.

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But when it's just us guys, when it's just you and me, it's good that you're finally

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just coming out and saying, I don't, I don't think it's too far off base from Alex is sort

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of normal conception of things, but it's weird for his lawyer.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, but that's what I'm saying about that.

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If I, if I heard Alex just say it, it wouldn't even be a clip I play.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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That would just be like, that's, that's, that's totally, that's totally what I'm saying.

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As far as the weakest link goes, is it, it's not Alex.

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It's his lawyers coming on there being like, I'm glad now that it's just us, we all know

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what we can say.

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This shit flies.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yup.

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We're fucked down.

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Yup.

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So, but also it's good to know.

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I do believe that I think that these, a lot of these signs that we're seeing means that

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Alex is fucked too.

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Yeah.

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So there was at least like, you could take cold comfort in the fact that like, this isn't

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going well for him either.

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Yeah.

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I know it's not, it's, it doesn't help.

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And what are you saying is still profoundly awful even if he is circling the drain.

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Um, but hey man, man, you know, one day, one day it will be a brag for him to say he has

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a chainsaw.

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I really, I genuinely really think that if you had Trump as the host and Barr and Giuliani

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as the two lawyers, this conversation, these could be played out in the same script.

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It might be a little bit less coherent.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Isn't that the sad part?

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Yeah.

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Same script.

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Same script could be played out by those three guys.

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That is a, we live in a dark world, Dan.

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