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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little

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bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan?

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Jordan.

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Have you ever fulfilled a childhood dream?

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Oh.

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Now, I mean, like, you know, this show is a dream to do, but you didn't grow up thinking

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I can't wait to, someday I want to talk about Alex Jones?

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Little did you know, I was a wee nine-year-old boy in Honolulu dreaming.

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Of, uh, you know, I was like, what would I have been, about 10 years old when Alex first

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started broadcasting?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I got an update about it, and I was like, I don't know, 25 years from now I'm gonna

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have to take care of this.

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You guys got local access Austin TV in Honolulu.

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Absolutely.

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Gotcha, okay, fair.

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I started listening to the final edition, or whatever the fuck his old show is called,

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and I was like, you know what, no one's gonna address this.

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This is gonna be my responsibility, too.

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Only one.

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No, I don't know, I don't know if I had a ton of, like, fulfillable childhood fantasies.

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Right, right, right.

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So things like flying.

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Right, well, yeah, well, yeah.

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I mean, you did, you have flown.

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In a plane, yeah.

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In a sense.

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I went parasailing, so it's kind of, yeah.

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Did you?

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Oh, that's really cool.

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I've jumped off a cliff.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Not a huge one, but yeah.

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Well, that's fucking awesome.

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I've never jumped, I'm terrified of heights, I would never jump off a cliff.

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That's not something that I probably would do again, but the context it was in was very,

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like, it seemed very safe.

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You were being chased by cannibals, obviously.

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Yes.

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The safer alternative was to jump off a cliff.

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Yes, of course, yeah.

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I was like, yeah, I'd seen a bunch of people go off already, and so I was like, well, odds

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of me getting hurt are slim.

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And you could see the water underneath, so you know what I mean, like big rocks.

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But I probably wouldn't do it again, especially in a context where I didn't feel like I could

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see the water.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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People who do that are crazy.

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No, insane.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, as a podcast where I am actively fulfilling my childhood fantasy, and actually

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there is a little bit of truth to that, because from a very young age, I did want to do radio.

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Yeah, no.

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Like, I loved radio.

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Right.

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That's what I was, well, that's one of the things that I was thinking when I was thinking

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about the question is like, this is adjacent to a dream of yours, because we've talked

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in the past about how you've always wanted to do radio.

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Yeah, I love it.

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And I've done a lot of things that are adjacent to goals that I've had in comedy as a kid,

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but I don't know if there's any, like the only one that is genuinely a childhood dream

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that I've had since I was like six years old is writing a novel.

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And like, that's the only childhood dream that I'm close to achieving, and I'm really

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scared of failing at it, so.

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Or just, I mean, that's a good reason not to do it.

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Yeah.

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You're scared of failing, then I, no, absolutely not.

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But I do know a lot about Alex Jones.

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And I only know what you tell me.

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That's correct, and that's the podcast here that we're doing.

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Alex is on some bullshit today, and we've got an interesting episode to go over covering

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the time span of April 11th to 14th, 2013.

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So in our going back to track Alex's coverage of Sandy Hook, we have now reached the day

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before the Boston bombing.

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So we're going to get right up to the edge of that, and then the next episode will probably

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be incredibly miserable.

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But before we get into what's going on here on the show today, we've got to take a little

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moment to say thank you to the people who have signed up and are supporting the show.

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Also today Jordan, I want to give a very special shout out to a couple of listeners who have

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an anniversary today.

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Very exciting, we're so thrilled for them.

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So Joker Ian and Spooks, congratulations on your anniversary, we hope it's a great one

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and I hope you're having the best day of your lives.

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Is it the anniversary of choosing the best names ever?

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Fun nicknames, perhaps.

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But anyway, enjoy your day.

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So like I said, we're doing April 11th to 14th today and one of the things I kind of

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wanted to stick around in the present because Eddie Bravo and Sam Tripoli were still in

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studio on Friday and they were on The War Room with Owen Schroyer and I was like this

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is a lot of Eddie Bravo content.

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Look I'm not busy but I'm still too busy to do two Infowars shows, you know what I'm saying?

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They were all over the network at the end of last week and so I was thinking everybody

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enjoys to hear some Eddie Bravo nonsense but there was a pretty severe backlash from our

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audience over Sam Tripoli.

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I think we all agree.

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There was an unexpected and universal sentiment that was like don't cover this guy anymore,

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it was awful to listen to him yell.

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So I have to honor their wishes and stay away from the present day, get back into the past

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here 2013.

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I like it.

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Let's do it.

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So in this first clip from April 11th, you get a glimpse into how his brain works and

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how he experiences his own situation and this is just surreal bullshit.

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And this program is so evidenced, it is so 100% on record that it dizzies my mind that

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we're even having a debate about this.

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The establishment is moving forward with an accelerated timetable for several reasons.

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They're about 10 years behind in their projections and they've looked forward that if they don't

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accelerate the program, their operation will fail.

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But they have succeeded in their greatest goal of creating an artificial habitat civilization

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where the government and corporate reservations that are breakaway civilizations several steps

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above us.

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I don't even know what he's talking about at this point.

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That's sort of the same ideas that like Tom Papert was talking about in the present day,

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the idea that the globalists have created like Iceland is like a place with no immigrants

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and low taxes.

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I don't know what he's talking about.

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But the idea that he's saying that all of these claims that they're making are all so

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evidenced, it's so proven, so on record, it's just ludicrous.

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I am a big fan of your fictional enemy being suddenly somehow 10 years behind.

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We have not talked about this yesterday or the day before that or the past 10 years actually

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that they are behind at all.

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Shouldn't we be getting updates?

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Shouldn't last year he have said they're officially nine years behind their projections?

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Well, they might have been 10 years behind then too.

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I mean, Alex still says in the present day that they're 10 years behind because the patriots

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pushed back on them because of the John Birch Society coming around and coming up the works.

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They're accelerating things because they've looked at their projections and they're clearly

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10 years behind.

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What are you talking about?

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Yeah, I think what he's doing is he's twisting comments that people have made about like

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high speed rail.

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Sure.

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Stuff like that.

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Yeah.

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People...

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Our monorail is 10 years behind.

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Sure.

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Or modernization in third world countries, stuff like that.

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I'm guessing that that's what he's talking about, people have said is behind what people

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had hoped.

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But whatever the case, Alex is like real, he's consistent and he keeps pushing forward

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on this mentality of like they're accelerating, we should be accelerating too.

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And when the other side isn't accelerating and you're just creating the perception that

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they are, what you're doing is justifying and rationalizing your own acceleration.

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Yeah.

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And that's kind of all that's going on.

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Well, yeah.

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I mean, it is a little bit along the lines of like, hey guys, they're 10 years behind

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on killing all of us.

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So we have basically got 10 years to kill all of them.

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That's really what I'm saying.

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Or else.

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Or else we'll die.

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They'll catch up.

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Because if they could, they would already have killed you.

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So that's basically them attempting to kill you as we speak.

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Yeah.

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So Alex, keeping that sort of vibe alive of this sort of like fatal kind of situation,

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he teases an upcoming news report in a way that I think is a little over the top.

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Then at the bottom of the next hour, I will break down the most chilling information that

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we have ever covered here on this broadcast.

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And it's all publicly available.

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So the most chilling information ever of all time, Jordan.

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Every time he does this, it's like we have the guy who breaks shit from the internet.

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We got the hammer guy.

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The biggest guest we've ever had.

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It's the guy who hits things with a hammer on YouTube.

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To be fair, that was a pretty fun interview.

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Well, it was better than Eddie Bravo and Sam Triplett.

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In terms of ranking Alex's guests, that guy was pretty fun.

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He did hit things with a hammer.

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And Alex rejoiced.

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That's true.

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That is true.

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So I mean, we could spend all day trying to guess what this super chilling information

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is.

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And I think it's this.

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And there's a new Bilderberg Group report out at Infowars.com right now where the president

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of the Italian Supreme Court, very famous individual, has now come out and said that

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the government has all of the documentation and Italian intelligence has all the documentation

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that every time Italy tries to get out from under the EU or the globalist system, terror

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attacks are staged by the Bilderberg Group.

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It says secretive group was involved in strategy of tension.

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So what's going on here is Alex is saying that this is in the present, like that this

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guy has a document that shows that the Bilderberg Group causes false flags whenever people meddle

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in globalist plans or whatever.

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And that's not really fair.

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But that's the presentation he is absolutely trying to create.

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That is troubling, if true.

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So this is about a guy named Ferdinando Impossimotto.

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The president of the Italian Supreme Court.

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He's often credited as the quote honorary president of the Supreme Court of Italy.

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See, that's different.

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But I can't find any evidence that he was an actual judge on the Supreme Court.

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I honestly have no idea what that title means.

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And I've looked into it a little bit and I still don't really understand.

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From what I can tell from like looking at Italian legal websites, honorary judges are

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sometimes appointed who provide assistance to courts on various matters.

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And it's usually a temporary thing, depending on the person's expertise.

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So he might have assisted the Supreme Court of Italy on something in an honorary fashion.

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He's a judge consultant.

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Yeah.

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And he's a legitimate person who's had a career in public service.

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So judges are like, we're deliberating, and you're like, hey, what do you think?

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Yeah.

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And he's like...

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I don't think honorary president of the Italian Supreme Court is a bullshit credential.

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But I do think that the way Alex is presenting it is a little bit bullshit.

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Right.

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Because it's not as though he's the...

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It's not like he's chief Supreme Court justice.

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He's not John Roberts in this scenario.

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No, no, no.

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He's Steve Puchenik working at the State Department.

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He's a consultant.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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I don't have enough information to know whether or not this guy is lying about his involvement

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in things.

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But the way Alex is framing it is dishonest.

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Gotcha.

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So in 2013, Impossimato published a book called The Republic of Unpunished Massacres, which

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I have to assume sounds better in Italian.

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In the book, he claims that he found a document that proves that the Bilderberg Group was

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behind terrorist attacks in Italy in the 70s and 80s.

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This document has not been produced, nor has Impossimato even claimed to have authenticated

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it.

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He just believes it to be genuine.

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Oh, well, I mean, that's a low bar.

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But it does make things simpler, I suppose.

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Sure.

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Alex is presenting this as if Alex himself has the document and that it proves that whatever

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Italy wants to, whenever they want to get out of the EU in the present day, they get

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hit with false flag terrorist attacks, which is ludicrous, even if you believe all of the

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assertions being made in Impossimato's book.

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He is only talking about activity that took place in the days of Operation Gladio, which,

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despite what Alex might say, does not continue to the present day.

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It was a product of Cold War stupidity.

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And by the time anything related to it involved actual attacks, it was because of groups that

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had splintered from their original purpose and gone rogue.

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Now, is that in and of itself a good argument against setting up operations like Gladio?

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Yes.

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You bet.

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A hundred percent.

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Does it prove that the people behind Gladio are actually trying to create terrorist cells

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to pull off false flag attacks?

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I think I need more evidence on that.

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Not all of them?

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I think I need more evidence before we're going to be able to substantiate that one.

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And so looking at the claim that's being made here, I see no actual evidence that the Bilderberg

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group was involved in Operation Gladio outside of this mysterious document that Impossimato

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claims he saw, but isn't anywhere to be found.

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Right.

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So that's the conceivably the most chilling news in the world.

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Okay.

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So the most chilling news in the world is that for a while the Bilderberg group was

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maybe, but probably not orchestrating false flag attacks through Operation Gladio.

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Right.

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I'm not very chilled by that.

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No?

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I'm pretty fine with it.

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That was like, I wasn't even born, so I'm pretty good.

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What about this?

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Does this chill you?

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What?

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This is the narrative on North Korea.

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He's still kind of beating the drums of attacking them.

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Naturally.

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He's still saying that like they're going to attack, they're threatening to attack Japan

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and what have you.

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But now he's put a slight twist in it.

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And that is that the globalists are paying him, Kim Jong Un, to threaten people in order

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to create this strategic tension as related to this Italian Supreme Court guy.

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Dan, that chills me to the fucking bone.

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Sure.

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I am chilled, Dan.

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He bases this on nothing other than like his sort of assumptions and like, this is how

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I read the tea leaves.

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That's the most chilling type of reading that you can have.

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Perhaps, perhaps.

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So the 11th is kind of a ghost town in terms of anything interesting.

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It's kind of just a continuation of all the same gun paranoia, they're coming to take

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your kids, all the same sort of trends continue.

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Right, right, right.

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It's kind of boring to keep going over it.

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The special's ghost town is playing the entire show.

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Oh, it's kind of like a ghost town.

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That is how I would describe this episode.

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Gotcha.

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So we get to the 12th and Alex says something that he, I think he's trying to overblow his

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own importance and impactfulness.

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Alex?

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Yeah, I know, very out of character.

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Our boy?

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But in doing so, I think he accidentally says something that I think is quite true.

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And believe me, the subconscious drives the conscious and the brain is connected through

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the spinal cord to the rest of your body.

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And the mere fact that I'm talking about how you're under attack right now, even if you're

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a jellyfish consciously, I am commanding jellyfish right now, spineless people.

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I am commanding you.

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I am commanding you through, through your instincts, through your ancestors, through

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your common sense.

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And of course, God is commanding you through your spirit to activate right now and launch

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defenses.

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And believe me, the defenses are launched.

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So the globalists have got a big problem on their hands, okay?

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I don't think that, you know, even jellyfish listening are going to be driven to pull up

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defenses because of Alex.

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But what he's touching on there, I think is very real.

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And that is that even if you don't believe, I think if you passively don't believe him,

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if you actively don't believe him, doesn't have much of an effect.

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But if you're just casually listening to him, he is going to have an effect on you.

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Like he's recognizing and sort of pointing to the fact that like, what I do is evocative.

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What I do, even if you don't believe me, this is going to fuck with your subconscious.

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And I think there's some truth to that.

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And I think it's one of the reasons that his style of broadcast is particularly dangerous.

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Right.

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Because unless you're really trying to, unless you ignore it as a whole, or you come in with

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a sort of a guard up, it can be very dangerous.

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He's like an exploit.

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I think so much about like when somebody will say like, oh, you need to update iOS to 11.102

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because hackers found this exploit and there's this one little thing.

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And once you fix it, it's all closed.

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But if you're passively walking by and you haven't updated, then Alex is going to sneak

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in and fuck up your phone.

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Yeah.

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It's attention hijacking.

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It's focus hijacking.

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It's emotion hijacking.

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And I don't find it possible that he's not aware of that, because he's perfectly describing

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it here just in heroic language.

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I think that makes him all the worse.

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So also on this episode, Alex has got a real bee in his bonnet about how everyone's ripping

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him off.

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And that's cool.

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How many times have we stolen people's ideas and put them on a shirt, Alex?

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Oh, I hate when people rip you off.

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It's in the more present day.

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But yeah, I mean, he's still like 1776 is the answer, 1984 stole that from a guy.

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But he's always complaining about Glenn Beck in that context.

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But now he widens the net to everybody.

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All of these right wing people are ripping him off.

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And I can actually explain that to him.

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And I also failed to believe I refuse to believe that he's not aware of what's really going

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on.

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And with what we do sends out ripples.

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You know, I shouldn't get mad that within three days of us breaking major news every

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single day, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, you name it, Sean Hannity are covering it.

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And more and more, they can't even spin it because their audiences demand the truth.

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You know what's going on?

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What?

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All of them are reading Drudge.

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That's all that's going on.

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That's it.

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They're ripping me off because I'm just reading shit off Drudge.

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You know, I I think the thing that I don't know if he's expressing this, but the thing

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that he says where he says within three days, that makes me think that it's less like they're

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just all reading the same.

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I mean, they were all reading Drudge, obviously.

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And it's also that it's going through the lunatic laundry, you know, like Alex says

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something fucking lunatic.

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Right.

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And then after a day or two, the right wing is like, let's distill this down to something

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that we can actually say on Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity.

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Right.

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Kind of thing.

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Right.

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That is definitely a process that happens.

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But also, additionally, Alex will say some crazy shit.

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And because he runs this Infowars website that also publishes articles, he has articles

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that end up getting linked on Drudge.

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So a couple of days after he starts yelling about something that he read on Drudge, his

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story will be on Drudge.

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God, the right wing media sphere is fucking ridiculous.

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Whatever the case is, all roads lead back to Drudge.

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That's the reason that Alex feels like everyone's ripping him off.

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It's just because you all have the same news source that you you rely on for your careers.

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You're all so fucking stupid.

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So Alex is he's bringing up the Mayak report a lot.

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Yeah.

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In this episode, he's sort of ranting about how this proves that they're going to put

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us in these camps and they're going to take our guns.

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Absolutely.

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It's exhausting.

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I mean, it wasn't enough to badmouth George Washington.

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It wasn't bad enough to badmouth Thomas Jefferson.

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It wasn't bad enough to say returning veterans will attack every police department in America

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with IEDs.

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Remember that five years ago?

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What?

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And I'm like, here's this secret document I was sent by a federal marshal.

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They're teaching him that every department will be attacked.

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Let me let me check this document.

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I've confirmed it's real.

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The feds were hopping mad when I called him that I had it and quite threatening police.

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Are you being trained that veterans will attack your department, will with IEDs in the near

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future?

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Open the phones up.

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Every cop calls in.

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Yeah, they trained us on that last year.

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Hey, Don.

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It was crazy.

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Alex is lying so hard.

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I've listened to so many of his shows and almost without fail, his callers do not confirm

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the things that he he said.

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They'll generally try and be polite, like we've talked about with that, like veterans

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getting that letter and the response being pretty sure my friend got one of those or

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the classic I haven't checked the mail today.

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Yeah.

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So they'll do those sorts of responses.

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And Alex will take that as confirmation of something.

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And that is absolutely not the case.

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I see very low rates of Alex's callers offering anything substantial to confirm.

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That seems to be pretty rare.

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So he's getting really extreme.

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There's the taking the guns, taking the kids, globalists want to take over all this shit.

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But there's a there's a real singular focus on this episode regarding dumbing people down.

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That seems to be something that he's very interested in on this episode.

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He's for or against.

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He's against a sensible against.

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But his entire career would suggest the opposite.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And this clip where he's talking about it.

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So the plan, I suppose, is that the globalists want to dumb people down to the point where

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they can't fight back against these invasion plans and they don't share what's right in

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the front of their face.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Now, pay close attention to this clip, because the evidence that he provides for this is

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pretty dumb.

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We are entering a period in our culture where everything is going to accelerate downhill.

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And the establishment has done the actuaries.

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They believe they've got a big enough group of people that are so dumbed down.

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I mean, I saw Mark Dice video.

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We're going to play it coming up in the next segment where he goes out and says, will you

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confiscate?

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Are you for people being arrested if they own guns?

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Are you for banning guns?

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And the people, most of them, sign the petition to do it.

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So Alex, he says that they've actuated out and figured that there's enough dumb people,

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provides no evidence of that at all, and then starts talking about a Mark Dice video that

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shows that people are dumb.

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I think what he thinks is going on is Mark Dice is imitating what the globalist actuaries

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are doing.

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So the globalists are getting people to sign those petitions, and they're like, we know

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now we've got 100,000 signatures.

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And Mark Dice proves that the globalists are doing this, because if people will sign Mark

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Dices, then that means now you go to the actuary because Mark Dice is there.

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So this is a sloppily made man on the street video.

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I do love the idea of using fucking Jay Leno bits to prove things.

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What a fucking asshole.

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And Alex is obsessed with it on this episode.

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He is going on and on about how these are great, like they demonstrate these great truths.

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Leanne McAdoo has been hired.

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I don't even know money things.

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I think this might be one of the first, if not the first, instances of Alex bringing

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up Leanne McAdoo.

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She has been hired, and she goes out on the street, and she asks people to sign a petition

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banning dihydro monoxide, or it's water.

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Oxygen, or water, or whatever.

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It's H2O.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Dihydrogen monoxide.

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Yeah, it's like, oh my god, look at this, look how dumb people are.

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Most people are being polite.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This doesn't prove anything.

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But Alex is all about it.

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It seems to be a real interest of his on this April 12th that doesn't seem, it's not following

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a trend.

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This hasn't been an obsession of his for the prior weeks or whatever.

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I just can't understand anybody that accepts any of those videos for anything other than

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the individuals that they put on there, because, and if you want to pull that shit, give me

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a Steadicam of you out there for four hours, 99% of people walked by and went, fuck you,

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I don't need this shit.

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And even some of the people you keep in your cut are clearly just like, they're high out

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on the boardwalk or something, and they're just like, oh, you're bumming me out, you're

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all signed this to make you go away.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, anytime that somebody extrapolates real people, or the majority from those videos,

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it's like, fuck you.

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Right, right.

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If he wants to make this argument, he needs to show the other stuff, the globalist actuaries

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and what have you, as opposed to pointing to a Mark Dice video, I need better than that.

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That's something that only would be convincing to a dumbed down audience.

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Coincidence, probably.

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Odd, odd, odd.

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So the Democrats, they're trying to push a gun ban, as they always are, apparently.

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We have done such a great job of focusing on that idea, right?

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Right.

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This clip is not interesting for that.

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That is very standard stuff, but Alex says something that is something I like to keep

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track of.

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Are we getting a TJ quote?

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We are not.

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Oh.

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We are not.

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I think he's quoting somebody, though.

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Okay.

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Treason alert, Dems trying to move gun bill forward without allowing senators to read

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it.

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Obamacare repeat, senators not allowed to rebuild prior to cloture.

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This is all treason, ladies and gentlemen.

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If you don't know Robert's rules, parliamentary procedure, the laws in this country as well,

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they're just, this time when the fellow reserve was passed by three senators the night before

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Christmas, went all through the house, none of the creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

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Three of them passed the fellow reserve act.

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That is something only a dumbed down audience would believe.

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That's a dumb, dumb, dumb thing to say, God damn it.

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That's insane.

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Like, I understand that you love Ron Paul and his brother's got to be cool by association,

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or maybe even Ron Paul told him this.

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Yeah.

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This is very easy to look up.

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Like, this is not something that's acceptable for you to be someone who presents themselves

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as a scholar and all this shit and actually believe that.

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Like this is, this is recorded.

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This is very easy to show to be false.

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Yeah.

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Well, I have an even greater bone to pick here.

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What's that?

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I didn't know that if you don't follow Robert's rules of order, you are committing treason.

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Absolutely.

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I didn't know that.

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I didn't know it was the high stakes of the Robert rules of order.

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That's a part of admiralty law.

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Robert's rules of sovereign citizenry.

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Yeah.

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I like it.

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So over the course of the time doing this podcast, I think we have seen Alex be pretty

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hurtful to a lot of groups of people, minorities, women.

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Yeah.

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In particular, but I'd never heard him be shitty to this specific group.

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I am almost shocked that Alex's show seems almost devoid of being the same kind of asshole

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he is to everybody about folks with disability.

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Yeah.

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And so when I heard this clip, I was like, this shouldn't surprise me, but it's also

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kind of different.

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Novel?

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Yeah.

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It's weird.

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All men are created equal endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, unalienable

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inalienable rights, life, Liberty, life and Liberty.

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You got your life, you got your Liberty.

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Not everybody's as smart as the other person.

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Everybody's just good looking.

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We all have different gifts.

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All of you have gifts.

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All right.

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Where's this going?

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Even people that are handicapped, even mentally, they are giving the gift of a burden to someone

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to grow.

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What?

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Everything's a gift.

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That's crazy.

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What?

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That's...

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Wait, wait, wait, wait, parse that the fuck out for me because I think I know what that

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means, but you need to tell me and confirm for me what that means.

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What he's expressing is that everybody has gifts.

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You know, we're all endowed with some gifts from the creator and the gifts that people

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who have disabilities, their gifts are that they are a hard time for you.

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See, this is where I'm running into trouble.

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No, that's horrible.

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That's a horrible mentality.

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So everyone is given gifts.

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And the gift given to the handicapped person is the knowledge that they are making someone

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else's life worse.

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Which is a growth opportunity.

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Thereby making their life better.

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They are things to Alex.

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That's insane.

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Everyone's given gifts except the handicapped is what he just said.

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Wow.

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But they don't know.

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And they're just...

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What?

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I don't know.

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It's...

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That's a fucking insane person.

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That's next level.

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That is ridiculous.

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Yeah, it's treating people who happen to have some disability status as like they're just

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there as a, as a, like a side quest level or whatever in your video game.

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They're a prop to you.

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The, the gift that the handicapped are given are being emotional barbells for other people

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to work out on.

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Yup.

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That's it.

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Yup.

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Good gift.

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That's shitty.

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Yeah, that's pretty shitty.

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So Alex has a guest on this episode.

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He is by the name of Ben Swann on the show.

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And one of the reasons is that Ben Swann is leaving a Fox affiliate that he worked at,

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I believe.

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And Alex is going to try and make a real fucking big deal out of it.

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Naturally.

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Naturally.

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It's a conspiracy and he's being silenced.

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Of course.

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He did some reports on Ron Paul and what have you in the past.

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So obviously the globalists are forcing them out of this station.

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Okay.

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So I assume he hid his significant other, no, no, no, no, no.

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Just a regular old story.

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I mean, his life doesn't go great later, but it isn't at this point, I don't think it's

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anything nefarious.

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I think it is.

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Ben will explain it in a clip and Alex does not like his explanation, but I think it is

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probably a thing where it's like, well, the station wasn't a right fit or explore online

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media or something.

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Right.

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I think at this point in his career, that's perfectly plausible.

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Right.

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Later.

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Maybe not.

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Okay.

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Not necessarily beating his wife or anything.

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Okay.

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I'm just saying anytime, anytime we hear like, oh, he's being silenced.

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Like we, we, you scratch, you scratch the surface and there's a man who's hurting his

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wife.

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Alex wants that to be the narrative because that's the narrative Alex has about himself

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in his early days of radio that he was told to shut up about the Clintons and he wouldn't.

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And that's why he got fired from KLBJ or KJFK, whichever one I can't remember.

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But he wants it to be a mirror of his experience so he can yell about his own life.

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That's basically what goes on.

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Gotcha.

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So Alex intros this, this Ben Swann guy and gives some of his credits.

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And it's, you learn something interesting.

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And I remember about a month or two ago, I wanted to get him on and he said, well, I'm

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not allowed to do interviews anymore and I'll be talking to you shortly.

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And I thought, well, that might mean he's going to be leaving.

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And sure enough, he's put out a video, we'll play a clip of it later, but why not just

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go right to him?

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He's won both a Edward R. Murrow award.

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So he's a, that's, that's, that's, that's about as good as it gets.

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Jordan, did you know that there are at least five different awards called the Edward R.

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Murrow award?

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Okay, see, now that's what I was thinking.

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I was like, man, it does get better than that.

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And it's called the Pulitzer.

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I don't know about the Edward R. Murrow.

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That's like a lifetime achievement award for some people.

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That's one of them.

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Yeah.

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A couple of those.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And none of them are like shit or whatever.

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Right.

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No, no, no.

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I'm not insulting or anything, but like the one Ben Swann is said to have won is the one

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that's given out by the Radio Television Digital News Association, or the RTDNA in 2002.

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Yeah.

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This was for quote continuing coverage about Alexandra Flores, who was a five year old

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girl who'd been abducted and eventually murdered.

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So their news coverage about that story was what ended up winning them the RTDNA.

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Yeah.

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The thing is, though, if you go to the RTDNA's website, they have a list of past winners

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of their awards and Ben Swann's name isn't anywhere on it.

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And that's because the continuing coverage award is not given to an individual, but instead

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awarded to a station.

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In this case, KFOX-TV El Paso.

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This version of the Edward R. Murrow award, the one that's given out by the RTDNA, they're

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almost exclusively given to stations, reflecting a recognition of collaborative efforts that

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go into creating a complete news program.

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So what you're saying is he won the Edward R. Murrow award.

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In a sense, yeah.

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It is true that Ben Swann was working for that station at the time, and I'm sure he

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worked on the coverage.

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But I feel like saying that he won this award is dishonest framing.

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A more accurate way to say it would be like the station he worked at won these awards,

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but I understand that that doesn't sound good on a bio.

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I think that reminds me of Hannibal's description of winning an Emmy when he was writing on

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SNL, where he's like, I was just on the right team at the right time.

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Like I have an Emmy the same way Juwan Howard has a championship.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like, yeah.

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OK, I got you.

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Alex doesn't know that there are multiple different awards named after Edward R. Murrow.

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It's possible that he's thinking of the one that's given out by the Corporation for Public

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Broadcasting.

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Right.

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That one is so selective that they don't even give them out some years.

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Are you sure they didn't give it out to Ben Swann?

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I'm sure.

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OK.

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The award is given to specific people.

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In the past, people like Terry Gross and Ira Glass have won them.

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But you might notice something similar about those two people, and that is that they work

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in public broadcasting, so that award is only given to public broadcasters.

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There's also the Edward R. Murrow award that's given out by Washington State University,

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which is Edward R. Murrow's alma mater.

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A whole bunch of people that Alex hates have won that, like Ted Turner, Peter Jennings,

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Tom Brokaw, Helen Thomas, Ted Koppel.

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That one is basically the lifetime achievement award you're talking about.

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So the only names you're going to see on that list are super relevant news people.

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And if you're imagining that Ben Swann won one of those, that's crazy.

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This is the problem with awards that have the same name as other awards.

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It's really easy to get the idea that Ben Swann is being honored in the same way that

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Walter Cronkite has, but in reality he was a part of a team that put together some quality

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continuing coverage of local news about a kidnapped child, which is nothing to sneeze

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at.

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Exactly.

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I'm not shitting him for that.

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I think he should be super proud of the work he's done.

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I'm just saying that I suspect that this might be an attempt to willfully deceive people

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about the nature of this award, or at least a willingness to let other people make the

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assumption that they make and not correct it.

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If we gave out a scholarship and named it the Fullbright Scholarship, it would be a

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little bit dishonest for you to be like, I got a Fullbright.

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Yeah, it would be dubious.

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That would be a little bit, no, I got you, no, I got you, but you know.

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I understand why there would be multiple awards named after Murrow though, like he's a luminary

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in the field of TV news.

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So also because of this, I didn't cut a clip of it, but Alex feels the need to brag about

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his own accomplishments.

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And so he says that a couple of years back, he won an award from Talkers Magazine, the

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top award from Talkers Magazine, and he didn't win an award from Talkers Magazine.

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He was invited to give a keynote address at their 2011 New Media Seminar, and guess who

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opened for him?

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Dana Gould?

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Lionel!

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No, no, no, the New Media Kings?

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Lionel and Alex Jones?

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Things looked a lot different.

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So Talkers doesn't even give out an award.

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They put out a list that's called the Heavy Hundred, which is the top 100 talk radio figures.

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Alex has never been number one on that list.

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No.

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Absolutely not.

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For obvious reasons.

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In 2019, Alex is number 49 on that list.

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That's not bad.

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It's not, but to put it in context, a show called Curtis and Juliet out of WABC is number

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36.

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Okay, well then they're doing great.

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I have never heard of them ever, and the picture of them is a younger blonde woman and an older

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man in a red tracksuit wearing a red beret.

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So Alex is 13 spots lower on the list than them.

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What did you just say to me?

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Hm?

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Did you just say red tracksuit wearing a red beret?

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Yep, the dude looks real weird.

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Alright, well then I am tuning in.

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To be fair though, Alex this year did beat Sebastian Gorka.

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Okay, well that's good.

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Actually, I'm lying.

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Gorka's number 27.

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That can't be real.

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Why is Gorka even on the list?

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He has his own radio show?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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We're just giving Nazis radio shows left and right now?

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Yeah, he's got a good radio voice, I say facetiously.

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Okay, alright.

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So Alex was number 26 last year and 2017.

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Ooh, that's a lot.

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Talker's heavy hundred list is actually a bad sign about the state of affairs for Alex's

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career.

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That drop from 26 to 49 is a big slide for him.

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They make up that list based on consulting with a big group of radio industry figures,

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so this is indicative of Alex losing a ton of ground in terms of his radio imprint.

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The industry doesn't seem to see him as relevant, his ratings are probably plummeting.

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It's not like they hate conservatives or people who are like Alex.

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That list is mostly just right-wing talk show hosts.

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Yeah, I was going to say, anybody who...

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Only right-wing people listen to radio now, right?

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Uh-huh.

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Yeah, I mean it's a much larger market.

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And Hannity's been number one for the last two years on it, so it's not like there's

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some sort of an implicit liberal bias.

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And Glenn Beck has beat Alex every year.

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God, I want to know who's 101.

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How brutal would that feel?

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I've scrolled through it, and once you get down into the 70s and 80s, it's kind of real...

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I don't know who any of these people are.

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I didn't know this was a show.

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Hey, it's Chuck and Buttfuck in the mornings.

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You're 99 on the list.

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Holy shit.

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Might as well.

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Wow.

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So this is Alex being a petty asshole, making this claim because he has a guy who won an

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Edward R. Murrow award, and he wants to be like, well, I want things too.

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I want this talker's award that doesn't exist.

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That's because I thought it was really lame of him.

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I decided to check in and see if I could find his keynote speech from talkers at the convention

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in 2011, and it's fucking insane.

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There's a transcript for real?

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No, I found a video of it.

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No.

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That's ridiculous.

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It's just Alex yelling at this seminar group, doing basically his radio shtick.

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Every now and again, you'll hear a voice in the crowd be like, wow.

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It's nuts.

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He's just yelling to a bunch of conference attendees about the globalists.

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That's awful.

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It's amazing.

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And they do give him a round of applause a couple times, but one of them was like, he's

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talking about how in his early days, he had to edit video from tape to tape, and it would

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take forever.

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And so he was getting three hours of sleep a night for these years, and he was coming

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up.

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He was like, I did it on coffee, and that's what turned me into what I am today.

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And now he gets a round of applause.

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Wait, he's doing an ad for coffee?

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I guess.

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But they give him a round of applause, but it feels like they're laughing at him.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because he's like, that's why I'm crazy.

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Yeah, of course.

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Oh, we appreciate that you acknowledge.

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God, I would do anything to go back in time and have Alex speak at my high school graduation.

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It would be amazing.

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I would do anything.

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I would do anything.

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It would be very inspirational.

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It would probably go long.

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It would blow my mind.

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Yeah.

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So I was listening to that speech, and basically, if you want to know what it's like, it's basically

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an episode of his show.

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And so there wasn't a lot that I felt was worth going over, but he said one thing in

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it that I thought is absolutely crucial.

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Because he's talking to a group of media insider folk, and probably he's unaware that they're

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recording it.

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Right.

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So there is a feel of like, we all know.

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It's us in here.

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Right.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Which is a vibe that you never really see from Alex.

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And he talks about his process, and I think this is kind of revealing.

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Okay.

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So because I work my way up in every media and every system trying to learn it, I mean,

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we would have had a lot more success up until now if I had obviously known all this 16 years

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ago.

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It's like, I don't even know what I learned.

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I don't even know what I know.

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I just am able to do it, and I don't have an instinct for things, and I know how to

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take a story, put an accurate headline out that I want to be read, but then I just know

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how to put the headline out so it'll have the biggest effect.

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And then I've got my crew, and I'm always trying to teach them exactly, I'm like, why

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is this?

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This is what I'm going to say about this.

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This is going to encapsulate what this really does.

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The system knows how to take something horrible and spin it like it's no big deal.

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We're going to take something that's hiding in plain view, put a new headline on it, have

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three paragraph comment, put a blurb of that, point it out, and everybody goes, whoa!

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He's describing being a fabulous.

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Yeah, that's pretty direct, yeah.

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He's just describing, like, I have an instinct for sensationalizing things, and that gets

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us a lot of traffic.

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Yep, yep.

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And he just described that pretty succinctly, too.

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Yeah.

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Like, he didn't go long.

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No.

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That was right on.

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Now, granted, he will say that, like, I give it an accurate headline, and I'm sure that's

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what he likes to believe, and it's probably a better presentation than, I sensationalize

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the shit out of things, I understand clickbait in my bones.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But that's exactly, like, a lot of the criticisms I would level at his journalistic style.

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Yeah.

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Lack of proving anything, and flamboyant-ass headlines.

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They know, they take things that are horrifying, and they know how to spin it, so it looks

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like there's nothing going on, so what we do is take nothing going on and spin it like

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it's horrifying!

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Yep.

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Exactly.

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Oh, okay.

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Mm-hmm.

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That's bullshit?

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It's telling.

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Because it also indicates an awareness, on Alex's part, that this is what he does.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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However much of it is just instinctual, and this is how I operate, it's like, well, you're

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aware of that being how you operate, and you're misleading people.

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Yeah, my real ancestors are William Randolph Hearst and no one else.

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Uh-huh.

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He was on the Mayflower.

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That's true.

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I saw it in Infowars headline.

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So Alex gets to talking to Ben Swann, and like I said, most of the interview is predicated

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on the idea that he's just left this station that he was working at, and so Alex says this.

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Ben Swann is our guest, we're going to give you his Facebook, Twitter, all his websites

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and everything, and I can't wait to see what he ends up doing, he's told me a little bit

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behind the scenes, but we'll see how much he can tell us on air straight ahead.

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So Alex is real excited to see what Ben Swann does next.

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Oh yeah.

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I don't know exactly what he did immediately after this.

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Okay, what has Ben Swann do next?

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But I can tell you that in 2017, Ben Swann got fired and lost his job from a local CBS

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affiliate in Atlanta after he started covering Pizzagate.

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Oh boy.

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Yeah.

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Oh, there we go.

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Mm-hmm.

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Okay.

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Yep.

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Okay.

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All right.

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That's the flavor that he's been dishing out.

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All right, all right.

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So Ben Swann went on to reporting Alex Jonesy type of conspiracy theories on a segment that

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he ran on the CBS station.

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Oh, so he had his own...

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Yeah.

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Oh boy.

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That's really funny.

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Yeah.

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And so he was doing these reports and they were like, you got to stop that.

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I think it was the Pizzagate one that was like, no, no, no, no, no, you can't do this.

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And so he let the show go dormant, but apparently he was going to try and bring it back and

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then they fired him.

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Right, right, right.

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You just can't.

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You can't be associated with our station if you're going to be pushing Pizzagate shit.

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So was he working on like a local news broadcast and he had like a little segment, like a little,

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we've got our remote reporter out here.

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God, can you imagine just watching WGN news at five and then all of a sudden they're like,

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all right, we're going to throw this dude over here.

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And he's like, the Clintons are murdering children underneath my very feet right now.

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All right, we're going to go back to you in studio.

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I might watch the news more, honestly.

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I might watch the shit out of the news.

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I think it would be corrosive to news, but yeah, I know he also worked at RT for a little

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bit, but I don't know if the, I don't think that's anything suspicious necessarily.

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Just had a show there.

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It's more like his career has had a trajectory that seems to reflect someone who believes

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wacky, nonsensical bullshit and was lucky to be a part of that team that won these Edward

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R. Murrow reports because everything else he's done in his career since then, that ain't

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award worthy.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, how well was it?

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What if it's a really, what if he's a really good producer?

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Like the segments are well produced.

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The direction is perfect.

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The cinematography is great.

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I saw this.

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Just an idiot.

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I saw the Pizzagate one.

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Yeah.

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Didn't seem any different than most local news.

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Okay.

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Well then nevermind.

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He's not revolutionizing the field.

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No.

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Okay.

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But Alex needs the story to be that Ben is leaving the station because he was told he

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couldn't cover things like gun grabs and Ron Paul.

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Well, he can't cover Pizzagate.

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That's for damn sure.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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That's later, but yes.

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So he's trying to push that and he needs Ben to sign off on it in order to authenticate

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this like, Ben Swann came on the show and he told us he's being silenced.

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You can't trust any news.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But Ben, isn't it that narrative?

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The power structure knows liberty is popular.

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That's why they never want to give it a chance to get its roots going.

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And that's why they always try to suppress people.

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So bottom line, did you get told to back off?

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You know, it wasn't so much about being told to back off so much as the station has, you

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know, they're moving in a certain direction and they're not so much they're moving in

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another direction, but that's how they do it.

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We don't like this direction.

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Let us nudge you.

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Be honest, be honest.

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They told you to knock it off.

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It really wasn't.

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It really wasn't.

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These guys really want Cincinnati centric and we want bigger issues.

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And so kind of my view of where it was headed was different.

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It's not they were always very supportive of what we were doing.

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So I want to want to make that clear.

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So Alex can't handle that.

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I think that's probably totally believable at this point in his career was like, I want

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to look at a bigger thing than a local news station probably allows.

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Like he got a bunch of attention from the like Patriot right wing media sphere, like

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online when he was covering Ron Paul stuff.

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And I bet that really felt like this is a direction I should go in.

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That would put you butting heads, even if you're getting good ratings with a local station,

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that that's kind of outside of their mandate for the most part.

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So obviously that would be like, we should go separate ways.

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Did Ron Paul come to Cincinnati?

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No, then fuck off.

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Right.

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When he does go for it and tell them that's not what our station is.

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So I can see that being very believable, but I see Alex's response being so based in his

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own ego that like, this is what happened to me.

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I need to discredit all media forces except my own.

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I need this to be the truth.

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So he acts like he knows the reality of Ben's situation better than Ben himself does.

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It's lame.

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It is.

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It is never, it is an unendingly funny to me.

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Anytime somebody gives a very direct question that has two answers, affirmative or negative,

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and the person responds to it, well, you know, there are a lot of different things.

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Do you know what that answer is?

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Whatever answer you hoped it was going to be, it is not that answer.

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Probably not.

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You wanted to know?

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Well, guess what?

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I've got a long string of words for you that equal up to not no, not no.

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So Alex is excited for Ben Swann's future and he wants him to work at Infowars.

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Sure, of course.

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And Ben does not want to work at Infowars.

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He doesn't seem into it, but he is also not anti Alex.

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He's not, he's pretty friendly and seems to be congratulatory of Alex's accomplishments.

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He says that the Piers Morgan thing was the best thing he's ever seen on TV.

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So he's into Alex, but I would imagine he knows well enough that like, I can't work

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there.

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That would be a huge fuck up.

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Or at least he's willing to leave his options open until other local affiliates have no

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interest in him.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Like they did after Pizzagate.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Alex wants him to work there, but more importantly, there's this place that he doesn't want him

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to work.

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And we'll get back together very soon.

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I'll see you then.

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All right, there you go.

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And people always ask me, why do I promote other Liberty oriented medium?

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I do it because we don't have a future if we don't.

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It's funny you mentioned Beck in there.

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I think I told you like six months ago off air, I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Beck

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doesn't offer you a job because I know he's building a whole network off basically ideas

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I put on air, which is fine.

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I think that's great.

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And just mildly painful thing is hearing something, him reading word for word info wars articles,

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then telling his listeners, don't trust info wars.

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I mean, I see it all the time.

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Every time I tune in it's and it's insane.

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So Glenn Beck has stolen the blaze from Alex and don't go work there, whatever you do,

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don't work there.

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And he steals all my stuff every day.

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And there's nothing wrong with that.

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I don't have a problem with that.

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There's no problem with that.

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I just mentioned it 45 times today and I don't have a problem with it.

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You only repeat things repetitively if you don't have a problem with their soft, trivial

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issues that don't really matter to you.

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I would say that the rest of that interview is not worthwhile.

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It's mostly Alex trying to cast aspersions about the media as a whole and like imply

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that Ben got forced out or whatever.

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It's lame.

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But we've heard Alex say a lot of really unacceptable things on this podcast.

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I would say it's today.

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Sure.

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And I would say that he's crossed a lot of lines.

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This next clip, he's crossed another line and this is one I'm going to have to take

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very seriously.

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Okay.

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I mean, I was watching this morning, there's a story up on info wars.com about Kesha.

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And I hadn't really ever followed her and I watched a couple of her videos and it's

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teaching 14 year old girls how to commit suicide and songs about committing suicide, having

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her fans send in their teeth to wear around her neck and how she loves Satan and the devil

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and you know, all of this.

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And they're not just doing this to be cool.

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This is the spirit of the age.

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This is how do we hurt the youth?

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How do we screw them up so bad?

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They roll over to us to bring in the control grid and I'm going to break down what the

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control grid is.

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Don't you dare mess with Kesha.

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Shut the fuck up, old man.

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What was that?

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Oh, there's Satanism in music in 2013?

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Right.

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Did you never hear of music before?

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All of it.

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All of it.

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Yeah.

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And what's really weird to me is like, okay, this is an April, April 12th, 2013.

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Yeah.

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Kesha released a die young, uh, like six months prior.

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Yeah.

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It was, it was in the end of, yeah, it was like fourth quarter, 2012 that that came out

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and don't, don't anybody tell him about lead fucking Zeppelin.

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No, he'll get in real, real trouble.

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There's nothing current about this.

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He's just taking pot shots at Kesha.

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Yeah.

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That is not cool.

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Also, that song is not encouraging suicide.

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Let's make the most of the night.

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Like we're going to die.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's not just because the name of the song, you're not reading between the lines, Dan.

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It's not what they say.

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It's what they're saying that they're saying that you think there's fantastic pop and I

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will hear nothing, uh, against her from the likes of Alex fucking Jones.

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How dare you?

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How dare you?

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If you start talking about Carly Rae Jepsen, I am going to quit.

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I'm not doing this, I'm not, look how many times I've let this one go.

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Right?

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Can I, I, I, I still can't go after pink though.

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Can I?

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No, leave pink alone too.

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Although I haven't heard anything of hers for quite a while.

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There we go.

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I'm waiting for the statute of limitations to run out on a shitting all over pink.

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That may end up happening at some point, but, uh, Kesha, Carly Rae Jepsen, Lana Del Rey

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to some extent.

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Right.

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Right.

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So let's go through here.

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Although I do think I've heard Alex complain about Lana Del Rey.

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Oh yeah.

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I do.

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I do think I've heard that before.

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I mean, there are some legitimate complaints.

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She's a lot darker.

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Yeah.

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Her most recent album is actually not terrible.

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I've not heard it.

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I'm sure it's great.

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So like I mentioned, uh, Leanne McAdoo has been hired at this point and, uh, Alex describes

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this a bit that he had her do, like go out and do this man on the street thing.

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And uh, you know, he has brass balls complaining that other people are ripping him off when

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this is how he describes, uh, what he's having his employees do.

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Uh, Leanne McAdoo, the story's up on prisonplanted.tv.

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She went out and could find no one that knew that dihydrogen monoxide was water.

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Redoing a Penn and Teller skit from like nine years ago.

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We heard that yesterday.

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You just admitted that you stole that bit from someone else.

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It's already been done?

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Yeah.

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Great.

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Great.

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Alex.

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Good work guys.

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Very original, very fresh.

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Unlike Glenn Beck.

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It's no big deal though.

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No, totally not.

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No big deal.

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So like I said though, there seems to be a very large obsession on this episode with

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these prank man on the street videos.

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I think Alex might be recognizing that like, okay, we're in a holding pattern.

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I've already got really extreme in my rhetoric.

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Now what we need to do is create the news.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We can't rely on waiting for something to happen that we can then manipulate.

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We need to send somebody out and then we can completely manufacture a perception.

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We can just cut out all the people who talk to the man on the street that doesn't go along

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with the preconceived notion that we're pushing.

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I think that's what, it feels like that's what's going on because it's very overt how

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much he's talking about this Mark Dice video and Leanne's work.

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It's weird.

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It's weird to me, but that's the real strong sense that I get.

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And just one piece of advice to everybody who does those, especially those in bad faith.

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Don't do it live.

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How many times have you seen Fox News's people go out on the street trying to do those men

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on the street and then get dunked on by some random ass stranger?

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That great one was like a 12 year old who's like, shut the fuck up, let me explain climate

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change to you.

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I'm going to die.

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That happened to Owen Schroyer when that kid flipped him off.

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Yeah, that's right.

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That was good stuff.

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Yeah.

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So Alex knows this.

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So he talks about this Mark Dice report and I think there's some weird stuff going on.

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First of all, Mark Dice's report is a Mark Dice report.

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I don't give a shit.

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Right, of course not.

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Nothing about it could ever be persuasive, compelling, funny, interesting, none of it.

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But Alex's response to it and how he's using it, I find kind of interesting.

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And that is what's happened.

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I mean, it is a mass zombiosis, so when they laugh at you, that's a pre-programmed response

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because they've seen millions of simulated murders on TV, death killing, video games.

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So you tell them about, hey, you know, two million dead Chinese in a nuclear attack and

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they just go, I don't care because they can't differentiate what's real.

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And this has been done scientifically.

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The globalists brag about this.

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Bernays bragged about it 60, 70 years ago.

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Alex is presenting the other.

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There's another Mark Dice video where he asks them about like, did you hear that we nuked

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China earlier this week?

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And most of those people, again, are probably high or drunk out on the boardwalk.

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They don't give a fuck about what this guy is saying.

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Or it's politeness.

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If you were to ask me about that on the street, I was like, I don't know, because I haven't

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heard that.

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But also, I don't want to be like, that didn't happen because maybe I haven't looked at the

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news that day or something.

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It's manipulative.

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It's just fucking nonsense.

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And he's using it to paint the idea that everyone are zombies.

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They can't think and the globalists want it that way.

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But in reality, it's very clearly like it's part of the game when you're doing man on

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the street shit.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's crazy.

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It's so unbelievably stupid.

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That is so for real.

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Look, do you remember 9-11?

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Nobody was like, oh, you know, oh, did the Twin Towers, whatever.

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Moving on.

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A nuclear weapon being used in 2013 would be 9-11.

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Yes.

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It would be 9-11.

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Right.

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But even if someone came up to you and you hadn't heard this news, probably because it

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didn't happen.

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Yeah.

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You wouldn't even think about it.

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Your response wouldn't be fuck you, you're full of shit or something like that.

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Mine would, yes.

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Maybe.

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But you'd get cut out of the video.

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I would get cut out of the video.

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That's true.

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Yeah.

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Most people, I think, as long as they weren't angry at the person asking them the questions,

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if there was a sort of friendly-ish exchange happening, like, I don't know that, I didn't

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hear that.

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Yeah.

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Oh, wow.

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Or something.

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Yeah.

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And then you'd look it up later.

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Right.

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And then be like, oh, that guy lied to me.

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Or whatever.

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Yeah.

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That's a bad one.

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Just because, here's the only way that somebody tells you that, that you don't already know

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it in a genuine way.

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It is you watching a crowd of people running towards you, and one of them grabs your shoulders

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and go, we just hit China with a nuclear weapon, and you're like, holy shit, and you run with

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them.

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And then later you find out it was an improv everywhere sketch.

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That's the only thing.

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I wouldn't put it past Mark Dice to organize a crowd of people to run and yell at somebody.

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See, now then, if you say that you don't believe it, then you're crazy.

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So, Alex talks now more about the Mark Dice video about taking people's guns.

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He's gone out with a petition that is basically like, we're going to confiscate people's guns.

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And Alex's response to this is so weird.

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That's what matters in this universe.

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And I just have, I was just reading the Bible passage this morning, you know, about turn

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the other cheek.

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But that's with your brethren.

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Not with the new Lord of Christ.

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Beat the money changers.

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But when your brethren are having issues, you need to love them, especially to guide

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them and build them up to do the great work that needs to be done fighting tyranny.

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We are builders and that's our job and we need to shake these zombies out of their mind

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control.

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Here's Mark Dice's excellent report.

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We're going to just repeal the Second Amendment and take the guns away from the crazy right

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wing white extremists and just make sure that only the illegal guns stay on the street.

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Alex seems to be really focused on doing, talking over this video to point out people's

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races.

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Like, here's another example of it from just a little bit later.

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What is going on?

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Why is it like, that's most of the commentary that he gives over this video is like, there's

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a white guy signing it, oh, this guy looks like he's a white black mixed.

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That's really gross.

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It's very strange.

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That's very gross.

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There is a sense of somehow this has a real racial component to it, to Alex, that I feel

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is uncomfortable.

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Here's what I am getting, and obviously I can't prove this.

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What I'm getting from this is, based on my knowledge of Alex's cosmology, a white dude

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signing this is the sign that the globalists have successfully tricked everybody.

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Because a white dude saying that he wants crazy right wing white guys' guns away, well,

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that's race traitor.

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It's a betrayal to Alex.

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Exactly.

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That's what that is.

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So that's why he's pointing out races, because if a white dude does it, then yeah.

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That's a vibe that I got, but again, I agree with you.

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Can't prove that.

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Can't prove it.

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It just feels like something that he does a bit and a mentality that he has.

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So in the video, Mark Dice fucks around a little bit.

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And this is...

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The triple double, of course.

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This made me laugh pretty hard.

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Only two young women, looked like they're about 17, said no.

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Thank you.

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A chance to win a free Xbox to repeal the Second Amendment?

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No, that's fine.

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Pure genius.

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It's pure genius.

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You are a genius.

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Do you want Mark Dice to offer an Xbox to someone to sign this petition?

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Pure genius.

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That is...

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There's no way that anybody could view that as anything other than genius.

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Absolutely.

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It's revolutionary, game changing stuff where Mark Dice says, do you want an Xbox?

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Sign this petition.

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I am personally sad that Stephen Hawking is dead, because if he had been listening to

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our show, he could have gotten an email from him saying, gotta confirm Mark Dice is pure

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genius.

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And if he did get one of those genius grants, the very thought.

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No, he got a Mac Arthur grants.

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It's not a MacArthur grant.

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It's a Mac Arthur grant.

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Same name rewards cause so much confusion.

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So much trouble.

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It's the worst.

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So Alex, at this point, he's got to go with what he knows, and he knows that Steve Pachanic

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is coming on his show all the fucking time at this stretch of April.

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And so he's introing Steve here, and I think that the way he does this is like so laughably

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absurd.

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I was just out there.

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They have CNN on the TV.

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Can you guys pump that in here for TV viewers, radio listeners?

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Paul Begala, I meant to mention that weeks ago, he has his own TV show, his own TV show

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and notice all over CNN, ABC, you name it, it's nothing but former government people

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because it's state run media.

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He's gearing up to introduce Steve Pachanic and he's complaining about CNN being full

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of ex government people, intelligence folks.

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You're introducing a guy who fits that description perfectly.

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What the fuck is wrong with you?

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I was wondering that.

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There's a follow up to it, right?

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That's a great idea for a show.

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It's terrible when CNN does it, but because Steve is one of the good guys, he's definitely

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not fucking with us.

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He's cool.

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He gets a pass.

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Man, it seems like the definition of somebody who's former government, but it's okay to

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have them on my show is just anybody who's former government who is willing to come on

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my show.

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Maybe he's crazy and maybe complains about minorities working in the TSA, maybe.

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So Alex gives Steve a glowing introduction.

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In this clip, you'll hear some of that introduction and then he asks Steve a question that a human

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cannot answer.

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This is impossible.

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Steve does.

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No, I don't.

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I mean, he just goes on to, he just says whatever he wants to say.

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Listen to this fucking question.

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This is absurd.

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Like if you're starting an interview with somebody, you don't do something like this.

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Most of you know who he is.

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Very interesting guys.

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Helped overthrow governments with psyops, you name it.

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And he joins us.

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Here's what I wanted to cover with you.

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Just out of the gate, sir, just a quick answer on this.

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You said it's all a false flag between China, the US, North Korea and others, but to sell

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weapons and that North Korea wants oil and food, and it's not a black box, obviously.

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Since you talked to us, it turns out there were secret meetings.

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Put that up on screen, guys, Reuters, with the Pentagon, Kim Jong-un, a month ago, before

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all this started.

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And I have Rumsfeld, mainstream news articles from 15 years ago up on Infowars.com, who

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gave North Korea the nukes in the first place, US government, the CIA, China's massing troops

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on the border with North Korea, threatening them like they never had before.

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Is North Korea almost out of China's control?

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Have they done a flip flop, you know, like stalling away from Hitler?

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Or has Hitler cheated him first with their deal in Poland?

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Is Kim Jong-un actually being manipulated, or will he be double-crossed, now threatening

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to nuke Tokyo?

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I mean, am I wrong, sir, in saying this is unprecedented?

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Dr. Steve Plochnik joining us.

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That is not a good intro question.

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He throws out, like, 50 fucking ideas.

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There are 50 questions!

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Yeah.

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There are five references to his own website referencing things that have nothing to do

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with the question that I assume he's asking.

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Well, maybe on a tertiary level, but yeah, they're not, like, you don't need, you could

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just ask a straightforward question.

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You don't need to rant for a minute and just, you put the person who's supposed to answer

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that question in a possible predicament, because they can't respond to all of that.

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No!

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Even if you're taking notes, you couldn't respond to all of that.

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I was trying to follow along with what I thought the question might wind up being.

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Way off.

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Absolutely.

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Way off.

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And then it creates, like, within the body of the question, he's introducing either-or

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questions that, like, those aren't all the options.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You're completely discounting other possibilities.

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You're trying to focus this here.

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In that question, I counted eight semicolons, and I don't think that's a good question.

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It's too many.

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So Steve just sort of butters Alex up, flatters him, and then puts forth his version of what's

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going on in North Korea, which has been his business over the last week, let's say.

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While he may or may not have been in South Korea, I have no fucking idea, but, you know,

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he does what he does best, and that is flatter the shit out of Alex.

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This is unprecedented.

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Dr. Steve Puchenik joining us.

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No, not Alex.

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First of all, let me congratulate you.

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I came here to San Francisco, and believe it or not, I was at Berkeley last night, and

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you are a hero in a left-wing organization called Berkeley University.

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You are sitting at home.

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Shut the fuck up.

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He is sitting at home.

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He is sitting at home.

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Do you notice how his audio quality isn't that different from when he was in South Korea?

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Nope.

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Very strange.

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It seems weird.

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Very curious.

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Weird.

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He is fucking sitting in his goddamn recliner.

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Alex, I'm in.

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I was at Berkeley, and I gotta say, you're a hero of the left.

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What?

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What the fuck are you selling?

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Well, he's selling himself to Alex, and he's doing a great job.

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It's crazy.

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He is so good at this, this flattery game.

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It is ridiculous.

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And the fact that Alex doesn't see through it.

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Not even a little bit.

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It's brutal.

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God, if you were to go back and listen to that, that would break your heart, right?

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If you're Alex?

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Yeah.

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Oh, it's gotta be.

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Knowing what you know now, listening to that, you'd have to just look at it and be like,

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the signs were there, man.

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They were all fucking there.

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Yeah, it's like, this one is on me.

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Yep.

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Fool me once, shame on you.

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Fool me consistently for five to ten years, that one's on me.

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It's like, yes, Steve is running a quote unquote, psy-op, or whatever.

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He's responsible for his actions, but yep, I was, really should have seen that one.

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I could have listened to my show one time, would have gotten it.

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I could have asked Steve a follow-up question, ever.

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So it's not really a great interview.

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It's retreading a lot of the same territory of his previous North Korea calls, which are

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largely about the media hyping this up, and then China being the string pullers, and Kim

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Jong-un just not really being in charge, and whatever.

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So it's not really worth all that much, but he does say something interesting in this

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next clip.

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And it's kind of indicative of the exact opposite of things that he would be telling Alex two

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years later.

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Then you have the head of the CIA, John Brennan, who we know is totally incompetent and created

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a lot of the false flag.

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Then we have on top of that, the head of DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, Mike Flynn, a

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general, who really doesn't know anything.

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Then above that...

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Mike Flynn doesn't know anything.

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Nothing.

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He's, Michael Flynn is a part of Trump's team that he's putting together to do the counter

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coup.

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No idea what you're talking about.

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And he doesn't know anything.

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Once the counter coup narrative needs to be put in place, Mike Flynn is a heroic, know-it-all

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kind of general.

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Well, I mean, he studied.

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Sure.

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In 2013, Mike Flynn doesn't know anything.

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He's not interested in Mike Flynn.

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That's interesting to me.

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It's very different.

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Yeah.

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Very different.

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It really feels like they will just change not the narrative, but the pieces inside of

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it.

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The narrative remains strong and the pieces inside, they'll just fit however they want

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to.

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Yeah.

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So we get to the...

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There's no show on the 13th, because that's Saturday.

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And we get to the 14th and man, I don't have much from this episode.

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It's really boring.

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It's like, there is a real lack of clips from a lot of these shows, because it's just kind

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of retreading the same stuff, saying the same shit over and over again.

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And I guess I did fail to mention that he had an interview with Shooter Jennings, who

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he claimed he's not having on just because he loves Waylon Jennings.

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But who cares?

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It was inconsequential.

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All right.

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The only shooter I want on Info Wars is the one from Happy Gilmore.

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Okay.

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We can do that.

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We can hook that up.

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I like him.

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There's probably two clips I have, one is completely irrelevant, and then the next is

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Alex signing off his show.

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Okay.

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So here's the completely irrelevant one.

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Here we go.

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Piers Morgan.

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He has armed guards at his house, armed guards at his house on record.

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Project Veritas exposed that.

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Of course he does.

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I mean, you see video of him when he's out in LA with like three bodyguards.

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You imagine going out to eat at a restaurant where it's already exclusive and they've already

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got bodyguards there.

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You've got to have three bodyguards sitting at a table next to you, because you're Piers

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Morgan.

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I mean, give me a break, man.

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I'll just have your wife pack heat in her purse, you wimp.

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In 2019, Alex employs Blackwater, the former Blackwater guys, to go on planes with him

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and go everywhere with him.

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So I don't know.

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His wife does carry a revolver in her purse, though, so.

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Fine.

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You still need security, Alex.

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Why?

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Oh.

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Come on.

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Hey.

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So that's just a little bit silly.

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And then here's how he signs off the show.

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There really isn't much going on.

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It's all just these exact same things.

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Talking about that family that kidnapped their kids and tried to flee to Cuba.

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Painting them as the government's trying to take your kids.

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The protester at that city councilman speech where the guy says, you're going to need that

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sign later when we come and take your gun.

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Just all of it.

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It's so repetitive.

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It was mind-numbing to listen to these couple days, because the thing that's tough about

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the mind-numbingness of it is that there's very real terror in that, too.

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It's these same things that have already looked into and we've already discussed, but on their

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own, had we not have listened to them, they're fucked up.

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Right, right, right, right.

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It's still creating a panic.

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It's still creating a mentality and reinforcing it repeatedly that this is Armageddon.

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It is happening.

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We are in the middle of this civil war that I have decided we're in.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Everything is an existential threat.

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The globalists are moving now because they're 10 years late on their plans.

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They've actuaried it out.

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Mark Dice has demonstrated shit.

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It's all that.

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I don't mean to say that nothing is happening, but it's such a...

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It's like road hypnosis.

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It's like when you've been driving for a long time and you're falling asleep because you

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forget, oh, that's right, I am driving a four-ton murder machine.

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And I'm honestly close to falling asleep doing this insanely dangerous thing.

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And that's a demonstration of what I was talking about at the beginning of this episode with

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his subconscious effect on people.

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If I'm here critically listening to this and researching and looking into his narratives

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and I am experiencing this is so repetitive, I am dulled to the horror and the awfulness

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of a lot of the things that he's saying, imagine if you're not being critical when you're listening.

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The effect of it would be awful.

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You internalize these things.

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I've internalized them as something he won't stop talking about.

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But if you don't listen with a critical eye or even a sympathetic one, if you have sympathetic

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ears to him, you could very easily, without realizing it, create inside yourself the feeling

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that these things are actually happening, that it is the end of the world, that this

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is...

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The Democrats and the globalists are about to take the guns and take you and your family

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off to a FEMA torture camp.

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Like it's...

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Yeah.

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I mean, and it's such that even if you're...

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Even if you only listen to Alex while you're in the car on the way to the grocery store,

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but you have it on every day, and so you listen to him for 10 minutes every day though.

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But if he keeps saying that, if you keep hearing the same shit in those 10 minutes, you're

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gonna think, oh my God, he wouldn't keep talking about it as much if it weren't so important.

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And there's a subconscious thing that people expect people to act straight up, you know?

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So if you hear him say this for weeks, you would think, whether you actually think this

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or it's just sort of subconscious, you would be telling yourself like, if he said that

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two weeks ago and he was wrong, he would correct himself.

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And so the fact that it just keeps going this same way, it kind of leads you to think like,

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well, he must know what he's talking about.

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He hasn't corrected it.

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No one sued him.

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So like, and it's just, the experience of it is really weird because I know that the

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Boston bombing is tomorrow in this chronology.

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And I know that these episodes are boring as shit.

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So I don't, you never really find exactly what you expect, but I guess you could kind

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of maybe expect that because there is no connection necessarily between his show and events that

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are to happen later.

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So it's not like you would expect the show to be really exciting as a lead up into real

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world events.

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They're completely disconnected.

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So it's fascinating to me that it is this way.

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It is molasses.

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It's like trying to walk through it.

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Like it's just, so I mean, it'll get where it's going.

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But anyway, here's how he signs off the show on the 14th.

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I'll be back tomorrow, 11 a.m. central.

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Thanks.

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If you aren't paying attention, something's wrong with you.

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America has been taken over by a bunch of criminals because we've been complacent.

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It's time to wake up or be totally enslaved info wars.com.

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Get that video out.

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So I mean, if you believe that, I mean, that's his consistent thesis is the America has been

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taken over.

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He keeps calling the people in the government and occupying force.

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And like, I mean, we could unpack for a second how that's the exact same rhetoric, exact

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same mentality, exact same description as neo-Nazis talking about a Zionist occupied

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government.

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He just takes the Zionist part.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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It's you could talk about that.

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And that's interesting.

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So that we've touched on a bunch in the past.

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You could talk about how like this is all this is all just waiting for the spark.

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Yeah.

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Like all of it is so bad and waiting for the spark that comes tomorrow.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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And that's exactly what he needs.

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This is like rewatching a Dragon Ball Z recap episode or like when they're doing the training

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montage where you're like, dude, I know tomorrow we're going to fucking fight Frieza.

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Why are we spending all day today?

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Just go back.

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I know.

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Goku's doing bullshit.

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Come on, man.

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Right.

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And we'll get to Goku's bullshit on the next 2013 episode.

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But I think I think it's worth it to have experienced this ride.

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Absolutely.

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Because things that are going to happen, I bet, after the bombing are going to be continuations

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of the rhetoric and the world view that we've seen built up over the course of the last

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months of his show.

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Like they're not they're not isolated in that sense.

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Right.

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I'm almost positive that everything is going to be a I was right about everything and complete

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escalation of the dangerous trends that we're seeing, particularly in the beginning of April.

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Yeah.

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I'm actually going to see Steve Pachanik stick around to take an even more prominent role.

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I just it's a mess.

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It's a mess.

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Due to circumstance, he's bullshit is going to feel way more important to people who already

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were sympathetic to it, but are now like not only is he right, he's right now.

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Well, because he frames everything as a false flag.

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So I'm not saying that Boston was a false flag, but he will.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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He's going to be a false flag.

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100 percent.

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And how dare you ask that?

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You took me.

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How dare you?

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Of course I know.

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Because he sees it that way, he's going to make the argument that I've been saying forever

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the false flag is coming.

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I told you in the last weeks that it was about to happen.

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I could feel it and all this, but we've gone over it and listen to it.

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It's always him saying that the Globals are going to be Chicago.

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He's going to be right if you are dumb and uncritically listening to the show, but he's

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wrong actually.

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And I think that's going to be a real serious problem.

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I really think.

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Well, we live in 2019 and yes it is.

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I think it's going to be a more immediate problem in 2013 though, because he's going

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to be able to play around with those ideas of credibility.

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I was right.

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I think that is maybe going to, much like Icarus, give him too much hubris and fly too

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close to the sun of saying everybody is actors and everything's fake.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, because he's already there.

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Oh yeah.

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He's not saying that Sandy Hook was actors, but he's dancing around it, he's dipping his

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toe in it prior to the bombing, he's calling other things like the Aurora shooting, there

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were actors there, the victims and survivors.

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So like he's already on the precipice of this.

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Like left to his own devices, he would jump with or without the bombing.

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I think it's unrelated, but it also might be a huge catalyst for him to immediately

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go and aggressively go in that direction.

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But we'll see.

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He's standing on the diving board, kind of like a little nervous bouncing up and down

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and then this Boston bombing is the guy kicking him and he has to jump.

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Yeah.

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It almost feels like to some extent our prediction was right and wrong.

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Yeah.

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Related to the Boston bombing.

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As is always the case.

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Being our catalyst.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So we'll see what happens.

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We will cover Alex's response to the tragedy in Boston on our next 2013 episode.

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This investigation has really morphed.

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Yeah, it really has.

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This is not like the 2015 investigation at all.

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This has taken so many different twists and turns that I would not have expected.

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Yeah.

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It's very weird, very unexpected.

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But it's, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Maybe we're learning something.

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I mean, is it even an investigation anymore or are we just kind of like covering both

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the present and somewhat targeted past simultaneously?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's what it is.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, we'll be back with more of it.

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And no Sam Tripoli on our next episode.

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Never again.

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Never again.

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But until then, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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There are other ways to listen to it.

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You could go to Spotify, but let me tell you something.

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My favorite way to listen to it, what you're going to want to do, go to your nearest sports

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bar, ask them to turn on poker.

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I know it's been a long time, you know, remember Chris moneymaker, we all used to watch Texas

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hold them on TV.

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You're going to want to watch Texas hold them for one hour and eight minutes.

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Then the bartender will turn around, go to the bar, grab you a shot of hams and a whiskey.

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Okay.

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A Hammond steam.

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And then out of the whiskey shot will come a little, a hard drive.

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Hammondson.

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That's what it is.

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Cause it's the Jamison.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's what I was thinking.

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Bars call it cool.

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I lost it.

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Yeah.

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I lost it there.

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Cause I was like, and I couldn't find your wheels.

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And then it died on me.

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That's all right.

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Yeah.

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But I can be Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I am DZX Clark and I'm the Jesus lizard.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.