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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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What up?

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Have you ever been in a maze?

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Corn mazes.

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Have you been in a corn maze?

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Maybe, I feel like I have. I mean, I grew up in central Missouri and we went to state fairs.

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Right.

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So I feel like I have.

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It seems like you would have had to, right?

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Yeah.

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But you've never had any memorable maze experiences.

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No.

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Hmm.

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That's a disappointment.

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I don't, I've been in, I feel like I've been in haunted houses more.

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Oh yeah?

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Yeah, I've been in some haunted houses, I always found them unpleasant.

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Right.

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There was too much awareness for me that these weren't monsters, they were people trying to scare me, and that made me resent them.

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Of course.

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I didn't enjoy that.

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Of course.

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I did one time go to a rave at a haunted house off season.

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Okay.

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That's interesting.

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In Columbia, there's like a big warehouse that during October time was a haunted house.

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I don't know when this was, but it was not during Halloween season.

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There were a bunch of people who held a rave there.

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Right, right, right.

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And I don't know how I got an invitation because as much as I maybe should have been, I wasn't a part of that scene.

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But I ended up, you know, a lot of industrial music, maybe not for me, but it was surreal to walk around the parts of the haunted house with the lights on.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like just wandering around, just seeing like all of these weird corners where people would hide.

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Right, right, right, right.

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It was very fucked up, it was a weird time.

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I was, I don't know.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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It's an interesting story, but looking back on it, I can't tell you if it was a good time or anything.

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I don't know if it was, it was just weird.

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It was a weird night.

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It was notable.

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Yeah.

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It happened.

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Yeah, definitely.

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I don't know, not many mazes come up in my mind.

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Well, on the way here, I had to navigate a maze.

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I see.

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Today is the day of the Pride Parade here in Chicago.

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Indeed it is.

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As opposed to last weekend, which was the celebration at Street Festival.

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And Jordan very dumbly was trying to walk over here.

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So stupidly.

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Not realizing he'd have to cross a parade.

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Well, we live on, we live...

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Between us is the parade route.

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Right.

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And you decided to try and get through it.

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Foolishly.

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I guess.

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For some reason.

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But I think there are still places where you can cross.

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They're just pretty few and far between, right?

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Really?

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I don't know.

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I don't think so.

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I don't think there's, like, are they gonna hold up signs saying stop?

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Like a crossing guard situation?

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So what did you have to do?

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I had to backtrack all the way back.

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It was only like a block.

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Oh.

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But I had to backtrack and go all the way around it, and then you have to do this ziggy-zaggy

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thing to get from, because Broadway is...

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Ziggy-zaggy.

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It's like a man show.

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That's what I do.

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Oi, oi, oi.

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Oh, don't.

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No.

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Oh, sorry.

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Oh, man.

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This is a show where I apologize for accidentally making references to the man show.

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As you should.

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It's a good thing those guys never went on to do anything.

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And I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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And I only know what you tell me about both.

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That's right.

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And today, Jordan, we've got an interesting episode to go over.

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I have some things to say before we do, but before I say the things that I need to say

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before we get to today's episode, I've got to take a little time to thank some people

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who have signed up and are supporting the show, and we really appreciate it.

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So first of all, Phillip, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Phillip.

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Thanks, Phillip.

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Next, Brittany, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Brittany.

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Thanks, Brittany.

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Next, Scott, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Scott.

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Thank you, Scott.

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Next, the law offices of Barnes, Barnes, Patis, Enoch, and Barnes, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, law offices of Barnes, Barnes, Patis, Enoch, and Barnes.

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All I have to say is good work, Barnes.

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Good work.

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Then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on a little bit of an

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elevated level, and we appreciate it very much.

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So Said, thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate.

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That's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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We got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why are you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you so much, Said.

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Thank you very much, Said.

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And if you're listening out there and you're thinking, hey, I like this show, I'd like

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There's a button that says support the show, we'd appreciate it.

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So first thing I need to say is a little bit of a correction.

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I had some bad information, some slightly incomplete information on our last episode,

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and I was incorrect about the idea that PCP going away led to the development of ketamine.

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That did happen?

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That did.

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So because PCP went away, no shit?

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Yeah.

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Oh, cool.

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I was incorrect about that.

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Now, I will say that I was not incorrect about my contention that they are very different.

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Yes, that is true.

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There are similarities between the two, but they are very different.

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Right.

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But I was wrong about that aspect of it, and I apologize for getting that wrong.

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You're a big man.

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Thanks.

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So I guess that's actually it in terms of that business.

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So let's get to today's episode, and there's the other thing I needed to say.

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It was my sincere intention, Jordan, to do an episode today here where we talk about

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Alex Jones' two-night coverage of the Democratic Party debates.

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Oh, no.

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In 2019.

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Oh, fuck off.

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He was doing live coverage of both nights of the debates, calling his spectacular clown

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world because all the Dems were clowns.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Clever.

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I was getting really excited to see how far off the rails it was going to get because,

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you know, his evening broadcasts have a real tendency to end up really fucked up with him

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drunk and yelling about how someone is yelling at somebody, basically, in a really irresponsible

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way.

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Sometimes he even cries and tells us about the four ways humans can learn things.

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Those are the good things.

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It's great.

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Yeah.

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So we log in and get us some source material, and it immediately became clear to me that

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this plan of mine was not going to work.

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On the first night of the debates, Alex was not drunk.

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It definitely feels like someone may have given him a stern talking to, and the show

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is pretty much just a boring version of his normal show, but with Owen Schroyer and Barnes

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co-hosting.

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It's a telethon, for sure, and it's really less about the debates and more about Alex's

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victim status and how everyone's trying to take him down.

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Ultimately, it was a huge disappointment to me, and it's four hours worth of bullshit

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that we don't need to go over.

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So I tuned into the Thursday show, figuring Alex has got to have some next-day analysis

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to throw out.

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I can almost taste how hard he's going to go after Beto for talking in Spanish.

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As the show started up, I could tell that what I was hearing was a pre-recorded message

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from Alex.

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It sounds like he's recording it at, like, 4 a.m. inside a tin can, and it's basically

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just him accusing Elizabeth Warren of being on cocaine.

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OK.

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So here's a taste of that.

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The big takeaways.

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Think about this.

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Not just the fact that many of the participants looked like they had escaped from a lunatic

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asylum and, again, that obviously Elizabeth Warren, who's normally low energy, looked

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like she was ready to murder someone and had lightning bolts coming out of her eyes for

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two hours, guaranteed was on serious amphetamines, probably large amounts of it.

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So it sounds like he's recording that in a fucking hallway.

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Yeah.

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What is going on?

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It's awful.

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So that shit goes on for a couple of minutes, and then he has Barnes host the rest of the

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show, which is just unlistenable.

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But it does feed into your theory that Barnes is trying to take over Info Wars.

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I think so.

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It's very possible at this point.

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So I figured, all right, Alex must just be tired.

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He was up late doing the live stream the night before, so he has Barnes cover for him so

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he can get his energy back for night two.

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This gave me some hope that Alex was planning on having a big night to close out Clown World.

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Yes.

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So I turned on night two and my reaction was not unlike that of a Lovecraftian protagonist

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come face to face with some sort of eldritch horror.

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Alex wasn't even on his own debate live stream coverage.

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It was all Owen Schroyer, David Knight and Barnes.

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That's the worst thing I've ever heard.

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It's awful.

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That is the worst.

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They did play a two minute recording that Alex sent in where he calls the Democrats

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losers and begs for money.

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And it sounds like it was recorded at about 4 10 a.m. in the same tin can he recorded

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the other day's message in.

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And then Friday's show is just that same team again.

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Alex is basically a non-factor in his Democratic debate coverage.

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On Friday it's just Barnes, David Knight, and Owen Schroyer again.

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He doesn't even get to make fun of how Marianne Williamson was there.

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She was funny.

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And he doesn't even get to pretend that she's the face of the party.

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And I have a theory about what's up.

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This is supposed to be deposed in the Sandy Hook lawsuit on July 1st and 2nd or Monday

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and Tuesday of this week.

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It's the Connecticut case where Norm Pattis is in charge.

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Given the shit that's been happening with Alex between his horrible response to the

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illegal pornography that was discovered in Discovery and his very clear attempts to threaten

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opposing counsel and put a million dollar bounty on them, that sort of shit, I wouldn't

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be surprised if Norm is insisting Alex actually prepare for this deposition.

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If you recall, he does seem like he at least kind of wants to win the case, as opposed

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to Barnes, who seems far more interested in logging hours on air on Infowars and making

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the lawsuits milked for all the publicity they can bring and then settling the cases

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whenever shit gets too real.

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Yeah.

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Pattis seems like an actual lawyer.

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Yeah, well, he seems like he would get more market value out of a better outcome of the

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case.

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Right, right, right.

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If Alex is operating, I don't know.

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We might be totally wrong.

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I have no idea.

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Possible.

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But the timing of this makes sense that it was a situation where Norm made Alex come

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to Connecticut early, which would explain his absence as well as the shitty sound quality

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of the recordings he sent in.

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He might have been filming it in an airport or something along those lines.

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Whatever the case is, I have no new Alex to cover, and thus we're sticking around in the

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past to follow how Alex's narratives took shape in the weeks and months after Sandy

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Hook.

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So today we are going over February 17th and 18th.

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Some of it's fairly interesting, and some of it is profoundly upsetting.

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There will be one portion of this episode that I'm going to give a content warning for

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in advance because some of it's pretty fucked up stuff.

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Jesus.

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But not all of it.

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That's just a little...

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That's just a segment.

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Okay.

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But...

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Overall, I'm glad we're not doing the debates because I did not watch them and I do not

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care.

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Right.

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I fully don't care, and Alex's big narrative is like, you know, me and the subreddit, The

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Donald, we got censored in advance of this so no one could attack Biden.

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Right.

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And I'm like, I'm scrolling through my Twitter feed and it's like all sorts of people on

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the left attacking Biden.

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Nonstop.

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Nonstop.

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Biden sucks.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I don't know if that's really what people were trying to avoid.

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No.

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Yeah.

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It just makes no sense.

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I don't really have a hot take on anything like that.

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So it's better that we stay in the past.

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Yeah.

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My only...

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But we might be stuck in the past for a little while.

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Right.

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If Alex is in Connecticut doing this deposition, it might be an entire week where he's just

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out of studio.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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We'll see what happens.

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But...

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So it's interesting because the February 17th to 18th, where we last left off, there was

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that Russian meteor.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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And Alex was getting pretty silly about it.

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Right.

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Being a little bit irresponsible, insinuating that the end was nigh.

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It's not going to kill us, but I mean, it might kill us.

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But everyone lies on the...

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The government's line?

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They might nuke us and then say it was the meteor.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's a fun one.

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So we're going to see how that plays out on the next day.

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Actually, not the next day because that last one we listened to was a Friday.

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Right.

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And now we're jumping back on the 17th, which is a Sunday.

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But before we get to today's episode, here is an out of context drop from Alex Jones.

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Little dog wants you dead.

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You get that straight?

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Big dog got to act like big dog.

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Big dog got to be big dog or big dog going to be dead dog.

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You got that?

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Uh-oh.

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More dead dogs.

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Man.

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How many times?

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What is this dude?

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I don't know.

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A lot of dead dogs in Alex's world coming out of his mouth.

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So on the first clip you have here from the 17th, Alex is responding to some media coverage

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of his coverage of the Russian meteor situation.

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And this is very defensive, very stupid, and Alex is very wrong about pretty much everything.

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And then I have Atlantic magazine going, Alex Jones said that the U.S. was attacking Russia

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with the meteorite that hit Friday morning, the meteor that came into the atmosphere,

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and Alex Jones is discredited.

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And they linked to an article, carried by DrudgeReport.com, that clearly we were sharing

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rumors and reports that the U.S. attacked Russia and that Russia shot it down spread.

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And we go on to say we believe it's a piece of the stone meteorite.

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Was it DA14 that went by?

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DA14.

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And that it was not a weapons attack on Russia.

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So we write an article reporting on what's all over the Russian news.

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We post it.

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It goes viral.

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The biggest stories on Friday, according to the sites that track that, I'm going to cover

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that later on the list here, and then they just tell their readers, Alex Jones said this

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and Alex Jones is discredited when we said the opposite.

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And more and more, the propaganda against us doesn't even make sense unless you think

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your readers have IQs below room temperature.

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So this is a real serious trend that goes on for these two days.

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Is Alex misrepresenting people talking about him?

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So if you recall on our Friday episode, I made an explicit point of how Alex didn't

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need to report on dumb theories that he himself doesn't believe at all are true.

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One of the problems is that over the years, there have been a lot of stupid theories that

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have come out of Alex Jones' shop.

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And his writers are so bad at writing.

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So to the untrained eye, it can sometimes be difficult to tell what they're actually

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trying to say.

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So in this case, I wanted to figure out what was going on.

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What was this Atlantic article?

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What was the Infowars article?

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Is there actually a misrepresentation going on?

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I decided that if anybody can get to the bottom of any of this, it's probably me.

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So I checked out this article in the Atlantic and it has the headline, quote, Russian meteorite

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conspiracy theories debunked.

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Here's what the Atlantic article says as it relates to Alex, quote, more wide-eyed theorists

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have suggested that the object may not have been a meteor at all and could have been a

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satellite that was shot down or some form of kinetic bombardment weapon aimed at Russia,

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the conspiracy-loving folks over at Infowars.

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So the beginning of that part is a quote from an Infowars article.

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And that article, you know, the part that they're quoting is a part that makes it clear

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in the Infowars article that they're discussing, quote, more wide-eyed theorists.

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Yeah, I feel like that's fine.

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That's pretty much it.

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The article goes on to discuss Vladimir Zirinovsky and his claim that the meteor was a U.S. weapon

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targeting Russia, and it breaks down how that's nuts.

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But at no point does the article say that Alex is advancing that view at all.

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They take a quote from the article where Alex is, or the Infowars article is saying that

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more wide-eyed theorists are suggesting this.

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That's it.

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Yeah, doesn't that suggest that they're not advancing those theories, that others, more

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wide-eyed.

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Yeah, more wide-eyed.

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Right.

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Yeah, so that's totally fine.

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That's actually almost responsible reporting, where you're like, some people are saying

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this.

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It's totally fair.

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Yeah.

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So the Infowars article itself was written by Steve Watson, and it pains me to say this,

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but if you decide to write an article on this stupid of a topic, this is about the best

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version of it you could write.

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The Atlantic accurately covered the Infowars article.

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They quoted the part of the story where Steve Watson had written about the wide-eyed conspiracy

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theorists believing this idea, which is a fair representation of the text, no harm,

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no foul.

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Yeah, everything seems fine.

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Now, just because this Atlantic article accurately discussed Steve Watson's article, they might

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have been able to make a much different case if they took into account all of Infowars'

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output.

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On February 16th, Infowars published a special report titled, quote, Russian Meteor Shower

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or Kinetic Bombardment Attack, question mark.

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There it is.

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That was published a day after Steve Watson's article.

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Gotcha.

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Gotcha.

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On that same day, Infowars published an article, quote, Suspected Meteor Explosion Reported

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in Central Cuba.

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They published this article with so little information that they weren't even sure it

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was a real thing.

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So they had to add this absurd editor's note, quote, there is a lot, a lot in capital letters.

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Yes.

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So they're yelling it at us.

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There is a lot.

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Yep.

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Okay.

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There is a lot of disinformation floating around about this possible occurrence.

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And then I wrote this in my notes parenthetically, the word occurrence here is misspelled.

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Good editor's note.

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All right.

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So in the editor's note, it's misspelled?

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Strong work.

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That's the saddest thing.

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Quote, no videos or images of the supposed meteor have surfaced from reputable sources

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at the time of writing.

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Fun fact, the article that they then go on to post is just a copy and pasting of an article

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in Xinhua, the Chinese state-run paper owned by the Communist Party, something you definitely

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wouldn't think that would be on Alex's Rolodex of reliable sources to copy and paste articles

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from.

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Wait, so...

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It's weird.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I don't even want to unpack that.

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No, it's...

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Let's just let that be.

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It's way too big a steamer trunk for today.

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Yeah.

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I think when you look at Russia headlines and the irresponsible reporting and Alex's

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insistences that the media came down and Russia could be related to the larger near-earth

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object making a pass by when he had literally no reason to think that was the case, it all

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adds up to Infos doing a really bad job with Meteor Panic 2013.

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Their behavior shows a clear desire to kick off some sort of fear and paranoia, but it

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was very noncommittal, and I think that's what hurt them.

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They went half speed, which any football coach will tell you is when injuries happen.

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You're gonna fuck up your propaganda game when you go half speed.

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That's when you get hurt.

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That's what happens.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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I think that's what happened with the Meteor.

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Get a little neck pain.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I think that's what happened with the Meteor Panic.

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They got noncommittal about it and ended up just fumbling real hard.

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So the situation is that the Atlantic article accurately covered Steve Watson's article.

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Right.

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He's projecting onto them some sort of lie that they're telling about him in order to

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demonize him.

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And it's really silly.

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That's basically how I would describe it.

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So it kind of feels like Alex is defensive towards the piece that the Atlantic wasn't

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talking about.

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No, I think it's he's defensive about his larger corpus of work.

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Ah, well, yeah.

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I think it's...

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Because he's shitty at his job.

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Yeah.

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You bet.

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I would be.

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I think that it's also like, I don't think he likes it whenever he's mentioned or Infowars

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is mentioned at all in an article that has a debunked in the headline.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So I think that he thinks that he's being associated with these things that are being

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debunked as opposed to him being one of the only news, in quotes, news sources that have

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a large platform that even dipped their toe into the dumb, but this was a kinetic weapon.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They're the only people that you could cite in the US media.

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Right, right, right.

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So I don't know.

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I mean, that's on him.

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So in a certain sense, Alex feels a little bit cornered, like, nobody's coming to rally

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behind me?

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Oh, God damn it.

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You're in the pool.

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People are saying you're in the pool.

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Gotcha.

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That's what's going on.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, in this next clip, we find out that Alex is frustrated about how the media

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is covering him and if he'd had his druthers, he'd never be getting this sort of coverage.

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His life would be completely different.

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Is he going to go farming again?

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People like that absolutely are at odds with those of us that want to paint an oil painting.

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We'll go back to this.

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The people who are at odds with the oil painters are, of course, the globalists.

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Okay, okay.

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And go sell it.

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You know, when I was in college, I went and sold paintings on the street.

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I said, I'm going to go do the true entrepreneurial thing.

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And people actually came to me on 6th Street and I got a little art showing and I made

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some connections and suddenly I was selling paintings for three, four thousand dollars

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a piece.

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And I didn't even have time.

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I was already successful oil painting and had to quit to fight the New World Order.

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I guarantee you, I would have galleries all over the country, ladies and gentlemen, I'd

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be selling paintings for a hundred thousand dollars a piece right now.

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But I'm fighting the New World Order and a built-in media system that reaches three million

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people plus a day.

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Hmm.

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The first artist who decided to quit in order to fight a perceived global war.

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Never heard that before.

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Weird.

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Well, there's a big difference.

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Apparently the internet says that Hitler was vegan.

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So there we go.

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That can't be Hitler if you eat red meat.

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I don't know.

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Alex's ex-wife.

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You worked for PETA.

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So we're supposed to believe that Alex Jones was selling his own oil paintings for thousands

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of dollars on the boardwalk of Austin.

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I don't know if it's a boardwalk.

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People are walking by just going, I need to pay three grand for that.

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I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt within the context of me thinking this is

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all bullshit.

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But the way he's describing it, I believe he started selling paintings for cheaper on

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the street, and then people started to come around later because his work got so hot that

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they were like, fuck, I need to get me an Alex Jones.

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I need to get me an Alex Jones.

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I want to say this very clearly.

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If anybody knows how to track down one of these oil paintings, I don't know how I'll

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pay for it, but I will find a way.

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Don't care.

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Don't care.

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I will.

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It needs to happen.

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An Alex Jones oil painting.

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Of course.

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Now, that being said, I'm not sure they exist, but if they do, and anybody has one,

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or knows where I can buy one, I'll probably pay like 200 bucks for it.

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You think so?

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Yeah.

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That's about all I pay for it.

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That's your max?

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And by the way, Alex-

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Don't start off telling people you're max.

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And by the way, Alex, if you're listening, you need 200 bucks.

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Just make one now.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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I'd still buy it.

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I'm disappointed that we haven't heard anything about his art up until now.

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Never.

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Never.

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I haven't heard him bring it up since.

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He's like an accomplished oil painter, and we've just never heard about this before.

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And it's part of why I don't believe it.

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I mean, he's a pretend accomplished.

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It's in his fantasy backstory.

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But what's not in his fantasy backstory, because this is very consistent throughout-

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Killing dogs.

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Well, there's that.

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And having a lot of feelings about the Nigerian emails.

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He's still on that too?

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You bet.

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Oh boy.

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Now, what's interesting about this is this clip comes after him doing his normal spiel

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about the Nigerian prince emails.

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But what's interesting is, in this next clip, we find that Alex knows about what happens

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in the second stage of the email scam, which implies-

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He's totally the one.

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He's probably-

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He's the one.

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And see, a lot of people would go do the Nigerian deal, pay the $5,000, not get the million,

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and then Prince Wabubi's representative would say, I will allow you to talk to Prince Wabubi

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on the phone.

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But you've got to put 10,000 in, and then you will get the money.

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And many people would shell out five or six times up to $100,000 to get the money from

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Prince Wabubi.

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So he knows what happens if you fall for the scam, how the scam evolves.

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And also, where would he be getting the money to send to the Nigerian prince?

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Oil painting sales.

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Yeah, that does make sense.

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It all fits.

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It all fits.

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It all fits.

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Also, he took out a huge insurance policy, a huge life insurance policy on Nunk, put

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it all together.

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We figured it out.

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Could be.

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That's what happened.

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Could be.

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This show is silly for a bit.

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It really is.

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I was listening to it, and I'm like, this is not a good show.

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And then it becomes even worse, but in a much different way.

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And that is because Alex has a guest that comes in, and it is Oath Keepers founder Stuart

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Rhodes coming back in.

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Gun weirdo extraordinaire.

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Now he says two things.

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I mean, it's just all like, we love guns, they're going to take our guns.

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It's all standard nonsense.

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1.6 million cops.

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Kill them.

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Don't kill them.

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Whatever.

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Right.

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But Stuart ends up saying two things that I found particularly interesting and worth

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discussing.

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And here is the first one.

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And we had a current serving sheriff, the sheriff of Fulton County, Tom Laurie, got

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up and said, my county, he says, my county is a Malama Bay County.

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It's a come and take it county.

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That's what we encourage all of them to do is, you know, is your county, come and take

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it county?

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Or is it a bend over and take it county, is what I challenge the audience.

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And a lot of them shouted back, it's a come and take it county.

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And so they're very focused on resistance.

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They're not going to comply.

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This Tom Laurie of Fulton County would very shortly after this retire.

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Yeah, I kind of imagined.

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It's either retire or go to prison for those guys.

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So you got Stuart Rhodes here coming in talking about this is a Moland-La Bay County.

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This is a come and take it county.

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I thought that was really interesting.

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So in January 2013, Stuart Rhodes and the Oath Keepers launched what they called the

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Moland-La Bay Pledge, where they declared that they will never register weapons, never

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obey any order to disarm people or compel registration of weapons, and that they would

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violently resist, quote, oath breakers who try and disarm people.

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On their website, they specifically say, quote, this is the pledge we published in January

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2013 in response to leftist calls for more infringement on the right to keep and bear

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arms after the Sandy Hook shooting.

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That writing is specifically signed by Stuart Rhodes and is explicitly saying that he was

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compelled to write this pledge for his group of gun weirdos in response to his feelings

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after Sandy Hook, which is interesting.

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But I found this even more interesting since we know that before January, just before January,

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Alex had launched his Moland-La Bay shirt, which he announced on his January 11th show

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was, quote, the best seller of shirts we've ever sold.

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On that same show, he clearly doesn't know how to pronounce Moland-La Bay and says, quote,

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Monet-Lay-Bay.

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I remember that one.

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And yeah.

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We covered that episode.

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We did.

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The expression Moland-La Bay had been popular among right-wing militia types for a while

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at the point when Alex made his shirt.

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So he's clearly ripping off something that was cool in a subterranean world of extremists

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and trying to sell it to the mainstream, because he was even unaware of how to say it.

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He was aware of it enough, but he didn't really know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So he was laundering that kind of phrase.

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That's the feeling I had.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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In many ways, that's kind of a perfect analogy for what he does with his rhetoric.

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But what's more interesting to me is that Stuart Rhodes didn't make his Moland-La Bay

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pledge until after Alex released this shirt and it became a bestseller.

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I think what you have here is an interesting glimpse at a business cycle.

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In terms of rhetoric, Alex digs down into really fucked-up worlds of insane right-wingers

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and brings back things that he can make acceptable to more mainstream audiences.

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In the process, he monetizes them by creating shirts, hats, bumper stickers, you know, all

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the like.

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This deep, gross world's ideas shines them up and then markets them.

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Right.

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Then the representatives of these fucked-up worlds, who Alex has platformed, take the

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product that he's created based off the rhetoric that comes out of their worlds and sells it

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back to extremists.

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I think that there's a cycle here that you can kind of see.

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It's also the cycle of popularizing, you know, the more you market this to people, the more

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people see it and get associated with it and it normalizes Moland-La Bay.

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So it popularizes that, then the Oathkeeper guy brings it back and then Alex starts the

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cycle anew and it's a little bit further to the right.

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You would make more money off this than if you just, like, let's say some weird 3%er

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shirt company made a Moland-La Bay shirt.

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Yeah.

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It's, you know, you have much more market penetration, centralization of concept.

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Right.

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It's synergy.

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Yeah.

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And it's also pretty easy to see Alex's entry to Trump shit having a pretty similar shade,

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with him stealing Hillary for prison as a line that he read on a bumper sticker and

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then he turned it into some merch of his own, then he sold it hard to MAGA shitheads.

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None of this is to say that Alex doesn't actually want a war to break out over guns or that

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he doesn't want Hillary in prison, but it's interesting to look at this loop.

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There's a kind of a parasitic marketing relationship between Alex and his community and it does

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seem to follow a pattern that feels intentional.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I just find it very interesting, you know, that Oath Keepers had been around for years

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and they didn't do a Moland-La Bay pledge until Alex released his Moland-La Bay shirts.

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Right.

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There's something.

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There's something there.

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The thing I'm wondering is, like, chicken and egg kind of situation.

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Right.

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And did the dumb Oath Keepers see that shirt or talk to Alex and see that shirt out there

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and then are like, OK, cool, we can capitalize on this?

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Or were they the ones who gave Alex the idea in the first place?

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He puts the shirt out there and then they can release their pledge because it's already

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popular or whatever.

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I think it's probably closer to the second one.

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Yeah.

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The worlds wherein the Oath Keepers fester and such.

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Yeah.

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And going back to their formation and that whole Patriot militia world, Moland-La Bay

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was something that was like, the way I put it, was subterranean.

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It existed as a catchphrase and a code in those worlds already.

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OK.

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OK.

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I mean, it goes back to like the 300, the Spartans, you know, that it.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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From like a historical perspective, you can go back that far.

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But in terms of American ideas about it, it did exist since like the early 2000s at least.

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OK.

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In those communities.

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So I think Alex ripped it off from that, whether or not it was like the Oath Keeper saying,

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hey, Alex, here's a good shirt idea.

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But in terms of function, I think what you're describing is accurate.

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Right.

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In the way each serves each other's purposes.

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Right.

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And the way they're able to capitalize off the actions of each other.

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So I think there's something there.

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Yeah, I agree.

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So that was interesting to me.

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But I think what Stewart says in this next clip, maybe even more interesting.

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I think the fact that they're trying to start something physical shows how weak they are.

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Right.

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They're running out of time.

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And so, you know, it's really interesting to see this.

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Everything's converging.

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And I think the window is short.

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That's why I told my guys, I said, look, you know, plan in three months spurts, a sprint

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from now until April 19th, get as prepped as you possibly can.

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It's not just about getting your public officials to declare which side they're on.

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It's also about you, the veterans and gun owners making sure which side you're on and

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then getting prepped.

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You can't just be willing.

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You have to also be ready and able.

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So to resist.

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So this makes no sense.

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None.

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So Stewart is saying that he tells his guys to prepare in three months spurts.

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So you got to do whatever you can by April 19th.

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But this episode is taking place on February 17th, which you may or may not know is not

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three months before April 19th.

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So I decided to see what's three months before April 19th.

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What was Stewart Rhodes up to?

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And on January 19th, 2013, he was giving a, he was at a rally in Coeur d'Alene in Idaho.

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But I can't possibly imagine this being where he launched his three month preparation initiative.

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His three months nonsense has nothing to do with the choice of that date.

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He chose April 19th because that's the date when the battles of Lexington and Concord

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started back in 1775, kicking off the Revolutionary War.

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We are grownups, aren't we?

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I find this date choice really interesting because it tells you what these guys are obsessed

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with.

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They're not really obsessed with the underlying causes of the American Revolution because

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if they were, they could seek to memorialize December 16th in honor of the Boston Tea Party.

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Or you could go with November 1st in memory of the passage of the Stamp Act.

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Or even May 16th to immortalize the end of the successful conclusion of the six year

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uprising of the regulators in the Carolinas.

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There are many, many options for a date that Stewart Rhodes and his gun weirdo friends

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could choose, but he chose April 19th.

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They chose this date because it was the day when their version of justified violence kicked

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off and they fantasize about being able to relive that so desperately.

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Others of the Revolutionary War would probably be unlikely to say that the war started with

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the battles of Lexington and Concord.

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They would probably be likelier to say that the escalation to a shooting war started then.

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That is why the date resonates so much for these militia patriot folks, because they

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want that to happen again.

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If they didn't, then they'd probably have a more robust analysis of the forces that

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led up to the eventual shot heard around the world, as opposed to just talking about how

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the British were going to seize a weapons cache and that started the war.

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It's fucking nuts.

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For people so obsessed with the Revolution who scream about the answer to 1984 being

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1776, it's wild that I have never heard Alex bring up the Intolerable Acts.

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I've never heard him bring up the Townsend Acts, or how the Suffolk Resolves placed the

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Patriots of Massachusetts into a state of open rebellion against the British.

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So of course the fucking British were going to try and seize a cache of weapons.

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I've never heard any of that from him.

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None of this sort of analysis.

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Their argument is stupid, and I suspect that it's partially that way because their argument

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isn't sincere.

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The idea that gun confiscation caused the American Revolution is not something that

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anybody could seriously argue on the merits, but it works really well if what you really

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want to do is mask your underlying desire to kill your political rivals and you need

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a justification.

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That seems to be what's going on here, and if it weren't, I think Stuart would have probably

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chose a different date for his imaginary end of three-month preparation nonsense.

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I think these people belie what they're so interested in with the way they present history.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

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It's been, and I've said this before, these guys really want to kill somebody, and they

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know that they can't do it first.

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That's what they want.

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They want to kill a human being, and they can't do it without any kind of reasoning.

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Real specific types of human beings.

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You know, sometimes I don't even know if they care.

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I think they don't want to kill their family, and beyond that, all bets are off.

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I think they would be pretty sad if they killed another militia guy.

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Okay, fair enough.

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Fair enough they would be sad, although even then maybe they'd be like, and he died for

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the cause.

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They're all fucking stupid.

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Well, they would certainly skirt responsibility.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

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I think that's probably a pretty safe bet.

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So that brings us to the end of the 17th.

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That was a Sunday show, so it's a shorter show.

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There wasn't as much going on.

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Just Alex being very defensive about his coverage of the meteor, and then Stuart Rhodes yelling

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about guns, being really fun.

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So then we get to the 18th, and in much the same way as Alex was very triggered about

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people talking about his meteor coverage, another bit of criticism of his arguments

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has come out in the media, and Alex is not happy about this.

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There was an AP article, what, Saturday, that ran in newspapers all over the country and

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was picked up by Fox News, CNN, you name it, all reported on it, saying that I basically

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made up 1.6 billion bullets.

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And they say, well, the conspiracy theorist says this, it's true, sort of, but not really.

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And then never say I'm wrong or never give the proof, just list the 1.6 plus billion

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bullets, but just say it's no big deal.

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Man, that guy got caught lying.

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He said he saw a red Volkswagen parked in his driveway, and there's the red Volkswagen.

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Didn't he discredit it?

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You're like, well, but the red Volkswagen is parked there.

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I know, isn't he discredited?

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That Alex, he said the sun would come up this morning, and did you see it came up?

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Man, he's really discredited.

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I mean, their propaganda has now reached cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs level.

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I don't even get it, it's so bad.

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So I mean, the analogy there would have to be like that guy said that he saw a red Volkswagen

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and it was going to be used to murder all Patriots.

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There is a red Volkswagen there.

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It's not being used to murder all Patriots.

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So why am I a liar?

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There is a red Volkswagen there.

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I do find his defense to be lacking in some respects.

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Intentionally obtuse.

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Yes.

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It is spirited though.

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Certainly.

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It gets way more spirited later.

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I don't have some clips of it, but he starts screaming about it.

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Of course, of course.

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So here again, we have another instance of Alex trying to complain about the media covering

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him unfairly.

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In this case, it's related to his constant argument that the federal government is buying

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up 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition, stockpiling it so they can wage war against the American

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people.

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It's strange how the number 1.6 keeps coming up.

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1.6 billion people represent the 1% of gun owners who will kill cops if gun control measures

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are passed.

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The government is buying up 1.6 billion bullets.

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This is the sort of thing that I suspect is going to drive any numerologist who might

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be listening completely insane.

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The average family has 1.6 children.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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It all means something to him.

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Yep.

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It's the crypto Fibonacci number.

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I don't know.

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I'm not sure that even means anything.

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Fibonacci is a sequence, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Alex, his complaints about the media's coverage of him are once again based on a very willful

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misunderstanding of what the articles are saying.

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They agree with Alex that, yes, the government was buying 1.6 billion bullets, but his conclusion

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was stupid, and that very easily available facts contradict his stories that he tells

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in order to escalate paranoia.

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All the right-wing sites that cover the ammunition purchase constantly frame it as Obama buying

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all these bullets, as if he was personally building up a cache, and again, that's intentional.

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In reality, what happened was that the government had put out requests for people to bid on

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contracts to provide a very large number of bullets, presumably around the 1.6 billion

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number that Alex cites.

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It might be less than that, but I'm not really interested in splitting hairs.

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Yeah, who cares?

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The reason that people are unwilling to say that Alex is right, despite him being pretty

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much right about the government ammo buy, is because all the stuff he says they're buying

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it for.

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He creates hysteria and paranoia around this imagined intention behind the purchase, when

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the truth is that they were buying the ammo for training and shooting range purposes,

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and the contracts they were looking to fill were for the next five years.

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It's not like they wanted 1.6 billion bullets to show up ready to go tomorrow.

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It was over the next course of half a decade, and their idea was that if they could lock

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in a contract with a huge purchase, the federal government might be able to get a better price

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on them.

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At first glance, 1.6 billion is a gigantic number.

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On second glance, it's still a gigantic number.

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But if you start to consider how many federal law enforcement agencies there are and how

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many agents need ammunition to train and stay trained, if that number is reflecting a five-year

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supply for all those purposes, it doesn't really seem like that crazy a number after

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all.

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Now, if you want to have a conversation about how insane it is that our law enforcement

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practices revolve so heavily around weaponry and how maybe we should disarm the police,

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I'm down with that conversation.

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That's a very different argument than the one Alex is making.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I was going to say, the fact that it gradually becomes less ridiculous and insane that it's

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1.6 billion seems ridiculously normalizing to something that is really, really bad to

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me.

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No, totally.

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And that's the experience that I had of looking into this.

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It's like, man, it's crazy that we use that many bullets, but looking at it from an entirely

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different perspective than Alex, we can have complaints about the same thing, but the complaints

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would be completely incompatible.

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So the media was taking issue with Alex insisting that the bullets were for the government's

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use in a war against the Patriots, especially when a very reasonable explanation is readily

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available.

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They were pointing out that he was sort of right, because that's probably the most generous

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way to say it.

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They might say he's right about a fact and wrong about an interpretation.

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But if I were running those media outlets, I probably would not have been so diplomatic.

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I probably would have said that he was using a fact to lie, because that's what he's doing.

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So his complaints fall on deaf ears a bit.

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Isn't that fascinating how over the past few years of Trump, we've gone in many circles

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from being like, we need to treat him fairly, and we don't say that he lied.

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We say that he mismanaged his facts or twisted things.

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And now we're at the point where most news outlets are willing to just be like, Trump

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lied about that.

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Not enough, probably.

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Not enough by any stretch, but more than there were.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Which, back in 2013, nobody would say that Obama lied.

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Except for Joe Wilson.

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Yeah, except for those fuckers.

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You lie!

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Yeah, that's true.

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Wow, we're adults, right?

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I don't think so.

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So most of this show that Alex is doing is about this.

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A lot of the show is taken up with his complaints about the media's coverage of him and how

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it's a psy-op or some shit, and trying to discredit me by saying that I said that we

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attacked Russia with this meteor or the government 1.6 billion bullets.

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It's just constant.

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This whole thing is just an exercise in defensiveness.

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And in this next clip, I think I mostly pulled this clip because I think it's funny.

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Alex, he plays this clip from CNN, the Reliable Sources show, which is pre-Brian Stelter being

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the host.

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Oh, okay.

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So it turns out Alex has always had acts to grind-

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Stelter isn't even the progenitor.

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No, he just hates Reliable Sources.

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He just hates Reliable Sources.

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Which is almost a fucking perfect apt metaphor.

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Of course he hates Reliable Sources.

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Yeah.

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It's very on brand.

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So the discussion that's going on in the clip that he plays is someone, I don't know who

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it is, on Reliable Sources being like, why the fuck would Piers Morgan even book Alex

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Jones on his show?

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Does anybody know what Alex Jones does?

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Right, right, right.

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So that's the discussion, and then it's kind of funny from there.

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They just lie to you, thinking you're stupid.

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Here they are, yet again, and so we're discrediting these fraudsters.

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Here it is.

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How did Piers Morgan handle Alex Jones?

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Badly.

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The question really is, did anyone at CNN or on Piers Morgan's show ever see or hear

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Alex Jones before they booked him on the show?

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Why do you say badly?

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He let him have his say, and Alex Jones, all his views were on display.

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He got steamrolled.

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Piers Morgan thought he was going to have an Oxford debating style debate about gun

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control.

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You really think so?

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Well, he kept saying it on the air, as a matter of fact, and Alex Jones doesn't play by those

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rules.

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Piers Morgan always interrupts.

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Piers Morgan always interrupts.

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I love the idea that he's interrupting the clip to complain about Piers Morgan interrupting.

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God damn it!

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Yeah.

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Oh, man.

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It's a delicious irony.

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Yeah, he synecdically hates reliable sources, and then also fucking interrupts ironically.

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Yeah, so most of this show has been him having petty complaints about media articles about

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him.

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So this is, why are you covering that?

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Uh, because they're talking about me.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, obviously the audience is going to be having the same thoughts we are.

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Right.

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That Alex is just covering any media coverage of himself.

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Of course.

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To sort of self-aggrandize.

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Are we getting some callers?

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No.

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We're going to get Alex defending himself from the possible interpretation that he's

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just covering any news about himself.

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Right.

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We normally cover ourselves, even when the Piers Morgan thing happened, we didn't talk

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about it that much.

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What?

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Sure.

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We've been forced now.

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They're saying, we said the US government attacked Russia, Atlantic Wire and others.

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Just incredible fabrications.

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Nope.

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Uh, when we're, my entire crew, none of my writers, everyone, they said it was a stone

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meteorite fragment from DA14.

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It's just, it's just sad.

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It's just sad.

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Even, even his cameramen after hearing that must've been like, bullshit, bullshit.

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Like there's no way that you can say, we didn't even cover that Piers Morgan thing that much.

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Fuck you.

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Yeah.

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It's like, Alex, that's too big a swing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So pull it back.

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In his next clip, he complains a little bit more about this Atlantic Wire story.

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And it's interesting because he's accusing them of lying while lying about them.

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Right.

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It's weird.

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They interrupt too much.

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They interrupt too, CNN, Atlantic Wire, a bunch of other publications that I said the

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US government attacked Russia with a meteorite.

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Nope.

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Or a kinetic weapon.

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Nope.

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Where did I say this?

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Didn't.

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Put articles out saying that was disinformation.

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Nice.

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They say, I said that.

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And again, it isn't about Alex Jones.

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They know that we represent what's left of America.

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We understand the globalist.

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We know their game plan.

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We have millions of listeners.

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We're growing exponentially.

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They want to assassinate our character with the average Sally soccer mom that she watches

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CNN on average, about one hundred and eight thousand viewers, total shadow of itself.

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But still, it has authority with some bumpkins, bumpkins, some bumpkins.

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He is gaslight and hard.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's insane, too.

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Like, this is how he mainstreams illiteracy.

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Yeah.

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Basically.

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No, he weaponized illiteracy.

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Yeah.

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What he's doing is he's he's he's responding to a false presentation of these articles

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and then he's saying that they say that he said that they attacked Russia.

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When did I say that?

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When did I say that?

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Right.

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And my response to that is like, hey, when did they say that you said that?

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Yeah, you say they say you said that.

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They didn't say that you said that.

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It's such a stupid game.

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Yeah, I know.

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And and it's believable because for the most part, you're like, obviously, he can't read.

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So this is sincere misinterpretation on his part when it's probably not it's malicious

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intent.

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Right.

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And and then I'm going to jump ahead towards the end of the episode now, because Alex gets

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a caller later who Alex complains about how the media is lying about him.

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And the caller has a really interesting response to it.

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I mean, if they say I support Dorner, doesn't matter if I was against him from day one,

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they don't show any proof.

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It must be true.

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If they giggle as friends of CNN, they don't have real friends.

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They just sit in their house watching CNN and it reaffirms their delusion.

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I don't expect anything more from literal demons, and that is why I've sworn off mainstream

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media.

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I didn't even know they were saying this about you because I don't listen to it.

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And it just hearing it.

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Sir, it's pell mill.

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I lied about the bullets.

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I said the U.S. attacked Russia with a meteor and never said any such thing.

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This caller is going to believe Alex's version of it and has sworn off any mainstream media.

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So you didn't even know these things were being discussed.

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He's never going to go find the articles that Alex is lying about.

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And you've created a self-contained and inoculated lysphere.

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Yeah.

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Basically an alternate reality.

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Uh huh.

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Yep.

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Jesus.

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And that caller almost perfectly embodies the danger of this, the gross aspect of it

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and why it's so difficult to penetrate.

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It's very much, uh, it's exactly like a cult.

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Like it's him cutting off his family from, uh, any contact cause they're suppressive

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persons.

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Right.

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The same thing is true of the media.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And the other aspect of that, I believe also is pretty germane to cults, is that when the

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authority of the cult leader is called into question, there's some sort of dismissiveness

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or punishment.

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Yeah.

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And we see that in another caller.

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I have one more question, um, the, I think it was 21.6 million, uh, bullets that, uh,

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Paul Watson had reported that the DHS had purchased.

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Yes.

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Uh, there's a lot of people online saying that he read the solicitation wrong and that

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actually like 240,000 bullets.

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Okay.

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Well, okay.

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Government's not arming to the teeth against us.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Everything's fine.

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Everything's wonderful.

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People online, probably robots.

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Probably robots.

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There you go.

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So I mean, like any call into question of the idea that the cult leader is correct and

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infallible is immediately mocked and like, ah, these people saying that are robots.

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And this leads to Alex going on a long rant, screaming about how right he is about everything.

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Yeah.

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I wanted to pull some clips of it, but I mean, it's not any different than any other time

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we've heard him screaming and ranting.

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Yeah.

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And it's one of those things that reveals every cult leader's deep and abiding insecurity

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is the driver behind all of this, that they never feel comfortable.

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And so they try and create this bubble where they always feel comfortable, right?

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It's a, it's a coping fucked up.

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It's an unhealthy coping mechanism.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So Alex does this long rant and I didn't even realize as I was listening to it that it was

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based on what that caller we just heard challenged him about until in the middle of it, he's

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kind of, he discusses like, yeah, that caller, he's, you know, he, you know, he said, we're

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not right.

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And I'm like, Oh my God, this is all in response to that caller.

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Yeah.

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Like this is, this is fucked up.

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Shook him to the bone.

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So he gets done with the rant and then he says this and it sounds like he is an angsty

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little teenager.

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Uh, just screaming at authority and I'm sorry I started ranting earlier.

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I should have more control.

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It's just, I'm just sick of the new world order.

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I'm so sick of everybody being so dumb and they just can't even navigate all these lies.

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Oh my God.

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Unprecedented tyranny is upon us.

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Unprecedented lying is upon us.

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We're in deep trouble.

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I am sorry I went on that unhinged rant, uh, triggered by a caller questioning whether

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I got some facts wrong.

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Even the slightest little bit.

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I'm just sick of the new world order.

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I'm so sick of it.

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Everybody's bothering me all the time.

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Dad, Billy's starting a new world order for sure.

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100% he is a loser.

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Little titty baby.

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It's ridiculous.

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So I warned you at the beginning of this episode that there was going to be a portion that

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was going to be difficult and we have arrived at it.

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So if you are particularly sensitive about maybe some fucked up topics, now might be

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a time you might want to question whether you want to skip ahead 20 minutes or so.

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Go for it, because at this point on this February 18th show, Alex has a guest that I've never

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encountered in listening to his show before.

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And it's someone I didn't really want to ever see show up.

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But I saw Piers Morgan interview a few weeks ago.

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I was already trying to get the sheriff on when he went on Piers Morgan.

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Sheriff David Clark.

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Many of you have heard the ad that he ran.

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Sam, look, I need you to be on the team here.

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So many of you probably know who David Clark is.

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And if not, he's the sheriff who used to show up on Fox News sometimes and wear a cowboy

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hat with fake decorative military medals he'd just given himself, looking like a real dick.

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He gained a fair amount of attention when he spoke at the Republican National Convention

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in 2016 and at CPAC in 2017.

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And he also started to imply pretty heavily that he was in consideration for a position

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with Trump's Department of Homeland Security.

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That position never materialized, and we can all consider ourselves lucky that it did not,

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because David Clark is a fucking madman and would probably be in consideration for worst

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modern sheriff if Joe Arpaio didn't exist.

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Before he was the sheriff, David Clark was a Milwaukee patrol cop, joining the force

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in 1978.

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As he rose through the ranks, Clark was very careful to present a manicured image to the

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media, and it paid off when he was selected to replace Lev Baldwin, who retired as sheriff

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of Milwaukee County in 2002, in the middle of his term.

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From that point on, Clark ramped up his media presentation even further, expertly staging

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photo shoots, seeding stories that made the department look good into the media, and always

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being seen in a full uniform.

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However, behind that facade was a very different person.

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A retired detective who worked with Clark told Milwaukee Magazine, quote, the people

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who love him don't know him, and the people who know him don't like him at all.

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When he was in consideration for sheriff in 2002, he suspiciously wasn't endorsed by the

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Milwaukee Police Association, even though he was the only Milwaukee police officer running,

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which I think speaks volumes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, when you consider how close-knit and fucking intense police unions are.

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They do seem to support each other.

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Yeah, a little bit.

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So when you got a cop running for sheriff and they're like, nah.

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Fuck that guy.

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That's not good.

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Yeah.

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There have been warning signs that Clark might be a really bad dude.

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In 1994, Clark was accused of using excessive force against a 15-year-old boy.

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The child's mother filed a complaint after Clark, who was off duty, allegedly chased

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her son and his friends down, drew his gun on them, and made them lie on the ground.

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The boy was one of five kids Clark saw throwing rocks at cars.

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Accounts vary, with the mother saying Clark kicked her son in the head and sighed, causing

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bruised ribs, and Clark claiming he just, quote, used his foot to turn over one boy,

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which to my ears kind of sounds like a cop politely describing kicking someone.

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You got it.

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Whatever the case is, the complaint was dismissed, and the police commission ruled there was

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insufficient evidence in the case.

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Clark's later career implies to me that this mother's complaint might have been valid.

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Traditionally, it's been the role of the sheriff's department to, quote, patrol the highways,

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oversee the jails, and provide security in courts.

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Beyond that, they're, you know, county-based duties, but the city policing was left to

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local police departments, even though the city is technically within the county.

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One of Sheriff Clark's big things was expanding the role of the sheriff's department to involve

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itself in city matters.

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As Milwaukee County Supervisor Gary Broderick put it, quote, he's imposed himself on some

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other law enforcement agencies, and it's uninvited.

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It would be one thing if he was doing a great job with the normal responsibilities of the

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sheriff's office and he just wanted to share his excellence with these other struggling

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departments, but that was definitely not the case.

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According to Milwaukee Magazine, in the first few months of Clark's first term, quote, one

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of his deputies got into a scuffle at the airport with Police Chief Jones.

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A convicted murderer wrestled a gun from a deputy in a downtown courtroom, then wounded

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the deputy before being shot dead by a police officer.

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And at Waupun State Prison, two Milwaukee prisoners escaped from a van driven by two

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of Clark's deputies.

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And sure, you could make the argument that it was just stuff that happened at the beginning

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of his term.

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It's probably all just stuff that was lingering from Lev Baldwin's previous term, and Clark

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just hadn't had enough time to sort things out.

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And you'd be wrong, because things got way, way worse as Clark's term in office continued.

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On September 13, 2010, an epileptic man had a seizure while restrained in sheriff's custody.

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Officers didn't seem to care or were so completely clueless that their actions made things worse.

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Thirty-one-year-old James Perry died, and no one was held responsible.

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On April 24, 2016, Terrell Thomas died while in custody in the Milwaukee County Jail.

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The medical examiner's office will go on to declare the case a homicide, and when you

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get into the details, it's pretty easy to see why.

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Thomas died of dehydration nine days after being arrested and brought to the jail.

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Thomas had been arrested on suspicion of shooting a man, but hadn't been charged with anything

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yet.

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He was also bipolar, so his behavior in the jail had been deemed fitting to place him

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in solitary confinement, which on its own would be enough for me to say, fuck David

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Clark.

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The guards would claim that they did what they did because Thomas had previously tried

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to flood his cell, but I don't believe that as an explanation for why they shut off the

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water to his cell.

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Fellow inmates told the Journal Sentinel newspaper that they could hear Thomas begging for water

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for days before he died, and given the fact that he died of dehydration, I think it's

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a pretty good bet that they didn't give him any.

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This treatment of a person is completely horrifying, regardless of what they may or may not have

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done to end up in custody.

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The idea of being incarcerated somewhere, put in solitary confinement, then dehydrated

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to death over the span of days is a terror that no one should have to live through.

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In the end, three jail employees were charged for Thomas' death, and Milwaukee County paid

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out $6.75 million in a settlement, but David Clark was never held responsible in any way,

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such as a travesty.

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In July 2016, Sade Swazer was incarcerated and pregnant.

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Her newborn child died in that county jail.

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In December 2015, Jennifer Jossen's newborn child suffered a similar fate after guards

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failed to provide appropriate health care.

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That same year, Kristin Fybrink died of alcohol and heroin withdrawal in the county jail in

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Milwaukee.

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There is a serious pattern of negligence and outright brutality that was allowed to exist

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under Sheriff Clark's watch, and it's all sickening shit.

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In 2017, Milwaukee County paid a $6.7 million settlement to a woman who alleged she was

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raped by a guard in David Clark's prison multiple times while she was incarcerated there.

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At the time of her incarceration and assault, she was 19 years old and pregnant.

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She eventually gave birth in prison and unsuccessfully sued the county for the fact that she was

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made to give birth while shackled.

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This wasn't the only person who suffered this kind of treatment.

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It's estimated that at least 40 women who have given birth in David Clark's jail have

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had to do so while handcuffed through labor.

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Sheriff David Clark is an absolute monster, and if he had a shred of humanity on him,

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he would have resigned long before any of these people had to suffer what they did.

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But he didn't.

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Instead, he defended the practice of handcuffing women in labor, and doesn't seem to think

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that he's had anything to do with the completely out of line and disgusting organization that

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he was in charge of.

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You may notice that a lot of these problems seem to have gotten worse towards the end

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of his time as sheriff.

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And probably that's because by then, he was kind of phoning it in, in favor of becoming

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a national media figure.

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In 2015, he launched a podcast called The People's Sheriff on Glenn Beck's Blaze Network.

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Weirdly, that same year, Sheriff Clark went on a six-day trip to Russia as part of the

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NRA delegation.

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He was paid at least $6,000 to go on that trip from the group Right to Bear Arms, which

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was the group run by Maria Butina, who pled guilty in December 2018 to felony charges

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of conspiracy to act as an unregistered foreign agent of the Russian state, and was sentenced

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to 18 months in prison.

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I have legitimately no idea what he was doing there, or what any of that means, but it doesn't

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seem cool.

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Clark was sheriff of Milwaukee County from 2002 to 2017.

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One of the likely reasons he was able to stay in office so long was he was registered as

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a Democrat, even though he was very obviously a far-right conservative.

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In 2003, he cheered on the Iraq war, going so far as to speak at a support our troops

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rally with Scott Walker and Paul Ryan, where he expressed his awe for George W. Bush's

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quote, will and courage.

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Milwaukee is an insanely Democrat-leaning area.

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The county has only swung Republican in three presidential elections since 1912, and two

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of those three times were Dwight Eisenhower.

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Being as a Democrat and being the complete opposite is a really smart move there, particularly

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once you're already in office.

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You generally win any primary based on incumbency bias and name recognition, then in the general

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election, it's you versus a Republican.

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This is exactly what you see in every election cycle for David Clark, relatively narrow wins

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in the primary and crushing landslides in the general election.

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I'm not saying that this is what he did, but if you were a manipulative, power-hungry piece

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of shit, your plans might look exactly like what David Clark did.

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When he stepped down as sheriff, Clark immediately took a position as a senior advisor for the

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Trump-backing super PAC, America First Action.

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In 2017 to 2018 alone, right-wing billionaire Sheldon Adelson and his wife gave $10 million

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to that super PAC.

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They also received a lot of donations from America First Policies, the political action

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committee we talked about a while back that is run by a former Trump campaign official

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and appears to be infested with Nazis.

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They received a lot of donations from that group, probably because they are affiliated.

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America First Action is the super PAC, America First Policies is the non-profit organization,

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but they're basically the same group.

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This is a little bit of a non-sequitur, but also I know that David Clark is involved with

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one of Alex Jones' sponsors, Gun Owners for America, the insane version of the NRA run

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by Alex's buddy Larry Pratt.

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I was going to dig into that a little bit, but if you search for David Clark in Gun Owners

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for America, the first thing that comes up is a completely batshit article on the Gun

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Owners for America website.

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It features an endorsement blurb from Clark, which is why it comes up in the search results,

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but the article really isn't about him.

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The headline is, quote, is Gun Owners for America in your will?

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The article begins, quote, what is one thing you can do now that will ensure that the Second

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Amendment rights are well defended well into the future?

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Answer, putting Gun Owners of America in your will or trust.

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Estate settlements have been vital to the continued success of Gun Owners for America's

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efforts to defend your gun rights in the present.

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It takes a lot of balls to be like, hey man, fuck your children and grandchildren getting

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an inheritance.

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When you die, help us continue to be really weird about guns.

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That is straight up movie plot con man shit.

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It is.

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That is straight up a con man fucking game.

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A guy who marries old ladies gets him in the will and then, God.

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And they're doing it with the explicit endorsement of Sheriff Clark, because he doesn't mind

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them fucking doing this kind of con bullshit.

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No, because he's fine torturing people to death.

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Yep.

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He's literally fine.

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Yeah.

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And that's cool.

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I mean, the very idea of like, when someone dies of dehydration in your jail after people

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who work for you turn off the water to their cell, you go to prison.

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You're a murderer.

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You go to prison.

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He is a murderer.

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You are responsible for what happens in your jail.

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He is 100% a murderer who is allowed to walk free because America is a fucking garbage

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fire of a country.

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Yeah.

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And some of it, I mean, some of this happened after this interview with Alex, certainly.

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But some of it didn't.

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Like, some of it was before.

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And some of these indications are very clear in the time before.

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There is every reason to have a very serious distrust of David Clark, even in 2013.

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There were very serious problems with how he ran his sheriff's department, the encroachment

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of city police departments, the rhetoric that he was putting out.

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It was a very serious concern.

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And to see Alex buddying up with him, it's not unexpected, but it's fucked up.

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I really, really don't like it.

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You know who really loves play-acting and wearing fake medals?

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Mussolini?

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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If you see somebody play-acting and wearing fake medals, it's a good thing to assume they're

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probably either a really good actor or a piece of shit dictator-in-waiting.

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So I also didn't think it was too surprising to see him pop up based on the fact that Alex

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is really onto the sheriff shit right now.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Or has always been.

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The constitutional sheriff.

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Certainly.

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County.

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And the fact that I know that Alex, you know, the Gun Owners of America connection with

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David Clark makes total sense.

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Yeah, of course.

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I think he works with them.

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He was named, like, Sheriff of the Year at some point, also just because this is a fun

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fact and Larry Pratt runs Gun Owners for America and he's in cahoots with Sheriff Clark.

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Fun fact, Larry Pratt was super against the move to give Washington D.C. senators back

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in 1979.

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He was quoted as saying, quote, the amendment would bring in two senators who would probably

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be minority and would definitely be liberal on gun control.

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Of course.

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Why'd you have to bring up that first part, Larry?

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Wouldn't you just say that they'd be liberal on gun control?

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Why is the first thought you have when discussing your opposition to the plan is that the senators

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would likely be minorities?

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Weird.

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Well, it's the same reason that Sheriff Clark was invited to speak at the RNC is because

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they want a black Nazi in order to justify hating black people and pretending that it's

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not just because they're black.

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It's a pretty strong trend that you see.

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Like I was reading this article from 2003 and they quote Scott Walker from before he

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was governor.

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He was just like a city council member of some stripe.

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And one of the comments that he has is that there's no way that a white sheriff could

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get away with saying these things about the black Democratic leadership.

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And it's like, yeah, because I know Scott Walker, that sounds pretty fucked up.

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If it's Scott Walker saying that, then, yeah, I think we're it's like, yeah, I get I get

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what you're saying.

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And it's it's awful for the worst part is how transparent it is, like how transparent

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it really is, how racist and virulent they are.

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It does seem that combined with a desperate need to appear otherwise, to give themselves

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a veneer of.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's a serious, you know, it's a serious piece of it.

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But I think when you look at David Clark, there's so many issues that are probably more

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pressing.

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Oh, no, no, no.

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Far more, far more pressing.

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Being used as the fact that he's allowed to walk free is a pressing issue for me.

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Being used as a racist Trojan horse, absolutely very serious and something that shouldn't

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be glossed over.

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But being completely out of control with your department to the point where people's lives

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are at risk or you're tying down pregnant women basically right in your cell or in your

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in your prison.

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Because those sorts of human rights abuses are the things that we need to do triage.

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Right.

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And thankfully, he's no longer in office.

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Right.

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So there's at least that.

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Yeah.

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But it's and it's.

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To me, the fact that the militia dudes are so on his tip and the constitutional sheriff

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tip movement entirely is they always lionize and respect pure and utter psychopaths, like

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purely cruel psychopaths as as almost a like an aspiration that they have.

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Like they're actively absolute power.

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Yeah.

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They're trying to destroy their own empathy in looking up to psychopaths.

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Well, I think that's a piece of it for sure.

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And then I think the other part of it is like the constitutional sheriffs that exist, they

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constantly talk about how they don't have a boss.

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Yeah.

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You know, like I don't report to the police chief.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That sort of singular John Wayne type right image is something that they think they just

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can't get enough of that idea of putting themselves in that shoe, walking, talking, cleaning up

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this town.

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Yeah.

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They want to do the walking.

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I had the utmost authority.

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Yeah.

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It was in complete control of everything.

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I could take care of the problem.

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Yeah.

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I can take that on to these petty tyrants.

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Yeah.

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And almost without exception, every single one of these sheriffs that I have seen come

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up on Alex's show is like they should be nowhere near power.

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No.

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These people are crazy.

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They're serial killers.

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Like literally.

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Some of them.

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They have killed multiple people.

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Some of them.

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Yeah.

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Some of them are just crazy.

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Yeah.

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OK.

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Fair enough.

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I will not endorse any of these sheriff types.

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Yeah.

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But I think calling them all serial killers is unfair to one or two of them are cool on

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that tip.

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OK.

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OK.

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But yeah.

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So I think that that probably is about the end of the really fucked up stuff about David

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Clarke.

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But there's some other stuff about David Clarke that bears mentioning for sure.

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And the first is, why is he on the show?

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It's because he just put out a PSA that Alex is super into.

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And so, well, I mean, of course, Alex said in the last clip, he was on Piers Morgan show.

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But I think that he was on Piers Morgan show because he put out this PSA that was really

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fucked up.

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And here's Alex introducing it and then the PSA.

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This is real common sense.

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Let's go to that clip.

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I'm Sheriff David Clarke and I want to talk to you about something personal.

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Your safety.

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It's no longer spectator sport.

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I need you in the game.

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But are you ready?

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With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 9-1-1 and waiting is no longer your

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best option.

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You can beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back.

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But are you prepared?

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Consider taking a certified safety course and handling a firearm so you can defend yourself

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until we get there.

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You have a duty to protect yourself and your family.

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We're partners now.

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Can I count on you?

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This safety message brought to you by the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office.

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So we got the payment there at the end, so we know who paid for it.

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That PSA that Alex played is not the only PSA that Sheriff Clarke made around this 2013

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period of time, much to the chagrin of the Milwaukee County Finance Committee.

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In 2012, Clarke spent over $22,000 on personalized radio announcements.

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And by June 2013, he was already up to $19,000 of taxpayer money being used so he could grandstand

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and promote his own personal brand.

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Naturally, this led to the Finance Committee voting to ban him from using county money

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to do this sort of self-aggrandizing bullshit.

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Some dumdums out there were arguing that they were putting a gag order on Clarke, but Supervisor

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Patricia Jurczyk, who started the motion, disagreed, saying, quote, I don't have a bandana

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big enough to gag the sheriff.

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You see, what she's saying is that he's a fucking blowhard.

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That's nice.

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These PSAs that he made are so fucked up.

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If you really break it down, it's a sheriff telling people that police can't help them

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and they better get ready to kill someone breaking into their home, which is something

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that he strangely glorifies.

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That's kind of what I thought I heard there, but I stopped for a second because I was like,

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there's no way that I just heard a sheriff send out a PSA that's like, cops aren't going

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to be there fast enough.

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You know what to do if you have a gun.

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That's what he's saying.

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That's what he's saying, right?

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And it's really fucked up, too, because it's like, well, OK, you're in charge of the Sheriff's

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Department.

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You're really insulting the other police departments that are supposed to be completely separate.

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You're saying like these other organizations also can't respond in time.

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That's really fucked up.

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That's deeply, deeply fucked up.

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In one of his other ads, he says, quote, And if you smell trouble, trust your instincts.

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Be decisive.

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Use the element of surprise against your attacker.

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No!

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And most importantly, be ruthless in your response.

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No!

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He's a fucking psychopath!

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This dude is so fucked up.

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That is fucking crazy!

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So fucked up.

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Sneak attack somebody you don't know is going to fuck with you and make sure that you kill

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them?

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You know, if it's a home invader, I understand using self-defense against them.

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Obviously, it would be probably better to incapacitate them somehow as opposed to murder

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them.

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Was he specifically talking about home invader?

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I believe so.

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Because the context is pretty clear.

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OK, good.

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Because I kind of got the feel that he's of the like...

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He's not encouraging like random vigilante violence.

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See, that's kind of what I'm hearing from time to time.

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Just take the random part out of it.

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So the premise of the PSAs are that they're layoffs and the sheriff's department employees

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are furloughed.

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So you know what that means.

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It's time for citizens to be cops in their own little house-sized cities.

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You see, the department was going through some tough times financially.

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And probably unsurprisingly, if you take a close look at why, you find it's mostly David

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Clark's fault.

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Yeah, that doesn't surprise me.

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A 2012 audit of the department's funds found that he had directed funds in some interesting

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directions.

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Of money that came into the department through civil asset forfeiture, something Alex is

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very totally, sincerely against, Clark's department had spent $11,400 on workout equipment.

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Oh, that's good.

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$7,800 for a police Harley-Davidson.

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$77,000 on getting him a horse.

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And $24,900 in Disney destinations training.

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What's Disney destinations training, you ask?

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Taking your family to Disneyland?

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I thought that it was possible that it was tour agent training.

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Because if you look for Disney destinations, if you just Google that, it's like the tourism

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part of Disney.

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But apparently, it's supposed to be about, quote, Disney's approach to business excellence.

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So they were getting training on Disney's standard of excellence in order to run their

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jails better or something.

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It makes absolutely no sense.

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Whatever they have to teach you has nothing to do with what a sheriff's department is

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doing.

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It's a waste of $25,000.

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Didn't we have, weren't there these trials where it's like, even if you're just following

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orders, you're probably also, like, you have a responsibility to not...

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Man, no one's following, like, he's not following anybody's orders.

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This is all him.

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I'm talking about his employees.

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Someone should have done something.

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That's crazy.

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Also in 2012, Clark spent $75,000 of taxpayer money on 565 new Glocks, outfitted with glow-in-the-dark

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sights.

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That was 565 guns for a department of only 275 officers.

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County Supervisor John Wysand, Jr., said, quote, unless there was a two-for-one sale,

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there is absolutely no reason to justify this.

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Roy Felber, president of the Milwaukee County Deputy Sheriff's Association, made an interesting

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point, namely that this money could have been better spent helping reinstate laid-off deputies.

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But Clark doesn't care about that shit.

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Throughout his time in office, he constantly tried to cut costs by shifting responsibilities

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from sheriff's deputies to lower-paid employees like correctional officers.

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Many of the jobs at his Milwaukee County jail, like monitoring inmates, all those responsibilities

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are being shifted away from higher-paid, more trained employees so that he could save money,

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all while spending excessively on things he thinks are cool, like glow-in-the-dark gun

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sights and a horse, which also kind of dovetails with these abuses that are happening in his

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jails.

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Is it possible that that has something to do with the less qualified employees who are

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now in charge of monitoring inmates?

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I don't know.

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That's for someone else to study.

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You know, the only person who really needs, like, a vigilante to handcuff them and ensure

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that they don't hurt the rest of the country is Sheriff David Clark.

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Like, we need a group of people to just, like, hold on to them, just keep them real tight,

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give them a bear hug.

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Can you be sent to The Hague for things you do internally in the country?

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I don't know, but at the very least, he should be sent to one of his own prisons.

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I don't wish that even upon him.

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Yeah, fair enough.

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The claim that underlies these PSAs and that he cares at all about layoffs or fiscal difficulties

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of the sheriff's department are complete bullshit.

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He played a huge role in causing them or at very least doing things that did not fix them.

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And another factor to consider is how Clark's negligence and ego have cost the taxpayers.

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It came out in 2016 that the county had paid at least $310,000 for Clark's lawyer to represent

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him in suits people brought against him.

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In addition to that, the county had paid $83,000 more to defend itself in those suits.

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That's about $400,000 that wouldn't have had to have been spent if Clark was decent at

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his job.

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David Clark is like all of these supposed patriot sheriffs that Alex idolizes.

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They're petty tyrants who, to varying degrees, terrorize the very people they're sworn to

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protect and serve.

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In the strongest terms possible, fuck this guy and the horse he rode in on, which cost

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Milwaukee County $77,000.

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I hate him.

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I hate him.

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I hate him so much.

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He's really one of the worst.

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I knew some of the awful and egregious things that he had done.

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And I didn't even cover all of it.

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Exactly.

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There's plenty of other stuff about like feuds with city council people.

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Well, that of course is there.

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Any challenge to their authority whatsoever will send them into a cowardly tizzy.

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I think he accused one guy who was questioning his budget of having a small dick.

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Yeah, yeah, that sounds about right.

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There's so much more, like, we could have turned this into like a six-hour episode about

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him, but I feel like maybe there might be a Behind the Bastards about him at some point

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in the future, but I don't want to just have completely overlap.

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Man, it's so ridiculous to me that there are no protections in place because everybody

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kind of just assumes that, well, we won't elect a psychopath, you know?

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Like there needs to be something where we can all just go like, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, redo.

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Like you can do a recount, but then you don't...

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The idea of like a vote of no confidence?

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Yeah.

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Well, basically, there was a vote of no confidence about David Clark in the Deputy Sheriff's

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Association.

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They voted like...

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It was something to the...

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I don't remember.

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It was hundreds voted against him and like 23 voted for him.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't matter.

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You don't get kicked out of office for the Deputy Sheriff's Association being like, fuck

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this guy.

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But I mean, if they have a financial council and they give you 77 grand to buy a horse,

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shouldn't somebody be able to just be like, stop it?

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Because it came out of the money that should have gone back into the department, but it

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actually...

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Of course.

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It was from the Civil Asset Forfeiture, which again, Alex, if he knew anything about the

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guy he's talking to, should have been like, hey, man, you seem to take in a lot of money

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that you just take from the citizens.

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What's up with that?

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God.

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Oh, maybe you aren't philosophically in line with what I believe.

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You just love guns and are a crazy dude.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I mean, so many people who wrote our laws and everything are people who genuinely believe

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that humans can live a better life and they just forget that any time you want, a psychopath

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can show up and trick people into fucking killing.

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They're usually pretty good at it.

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So in this next clip, Alex brings Clark onto the show and thanks him for something that

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he is absolutely not doing.

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Sheriff David Clark, thank you so much for coming on and thank you for being an example

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of a real peace officer instead of one of these government types that's there to demonize

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the Bill of Rights.

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Thank you for defending the Constitution, sir.

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Thank you.

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It's a pleasure to be on with you and it's a pleasure to serve.

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It's a pleasure to serve as long as I get my money.

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Has Alex had any sheriffs on his show who have not tortured someone to death?

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Yeah.

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I mean, like Denny Payman probably hasn't.

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He was just a crazy dude in a small town who made everyone scared.

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There's that version.

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I mean, just because Joe Arpaio and David Clark have particularly flamboyant histories,

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that doesn't mean that all of these sheriffs have gone that far.

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Now maybe they would.

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Maybe they would.

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They just don't have the opportunity.

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Yeah.

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Or maybe they happen to be in a place where there is better oversight of what they're

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doing.

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The circumstances weren't such that that happened, possibly.

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Jesus.

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But yeah, there's plenty of these dudes who are just like nuts.

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Unreal.

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Ugh.

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Ugh.

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Ugh.

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He's a peace officer.

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Fuck off.

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He's a peace...

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God.

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Ugh.

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So most of their interview is just about like, hey, aren't guns great?

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You bet they are.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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That's most of it.

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And Alex is really trying to fish with him to get Clark to say that he would follow the

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Oathkeeper motto of like...

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Molan Labe.

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Basically.

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Not in his many words, and he's not framing it as that.

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But he's trying to get like a promise from him that he will not go along with any kind

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of confiscation of guns whatsoever.

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Right.

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We're not a bend over county or whatever.

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Exactly.

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That sort of idea.

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Yeah.

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Alex is clearly feeding questions in such a way as to be like, now tomorrow I can report

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that David Clark is along with America's greatest sheriff.

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He's on board with our movement.

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And the way Clark answers this question about why he would never get involved with gun confiscation

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is kind of telling.

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The people in Milwaukee County do not have to worry about me enforcing some sort of order

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that goes out and collects everybody's handgun or rifles or any kind of firearm and makes

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them turn them in.

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And the reason is, I don't want to get shot because I believe that if somebody tried to

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enforce something of that magnitude, you would see the second coming of an American Revolution

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like the likes of which would make the first revolution pale by comparison.

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His reasoning isn't so much that like, hey, it's the wrong thing to do.

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I would get killed if I did that.

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He has a tacit recognition in his reasoning that like, if I did that, these fucking gun

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people would kill me.

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Yeah, he's read Unintended Consequences.

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That's terrorism.

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It's the definition of terrorism.

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We cannot do it.

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Let's assume he, instead of...

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GOP or ISIS?

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Instead of David Clark supporting not taking guns or not regulating or anything like that,

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assume that he was a sheriff who did believe that maybe some sort of regulation, gun registration

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would be an appropriate thing.

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He might have the same position that I would do this, but if I did, I'd get killed.

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In that circumstance, his ability to express his political belief is being terrorized by

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a group of people who have made it very clear that if you do anything like this, we will

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kill every cop in America.

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This is terrorism.

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Now, Alex isn't GOP back then, to be clear, and David Clark is a registered Democrat,

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so none of this is the GOP.

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This is this inspirational terrorism.

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That's the same thing that got the Oregon climate bill destroyed, is literal threat

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of murder.

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It has an effect, and it's been having an effect for years.

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And when you see this sort of thing on Alex's show in 2013, you realize that there's a pretty

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good indication to me that they know what they're doing.

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It's intentional using threats, tacit, implied, overt threats, whatever shape they might take

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on any given day as a means of furthering their political ideology.

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And that, my friend, is the definition of terrorism.

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And for them, it's a win-win, because they can get more and more aggressive in their

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violent threats, especially now, and either they win, or if somebody pushes back, they

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also get what they want, which is murdering people.

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Or yelling about their free speech being violated, their inability to continue to engage in this

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verbal terrorism.

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Right.

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Yeah, I mean, it's crazy.

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It's a good...

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I mean, I don't know how intentional it is, but it's a good scam.

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Like, if you have no ethics, you don't mind the fact that you're destroying society, if

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you don't care about those sorts of things, it's a pretty good hustle.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It really banks hard on them believing that the world is going to end before any kind

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of karma, before there's any kind of comeuppance for their actions.

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Who knows?

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So in this next clip, David Clarke is discussing how the left, by the way, registered Democrat,

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the left isn't serious about violence reduction.

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He's a centrist.

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Sure.

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He's trying to make the argument that, like, all their gun control measures, all of the

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sensible gun control, it's not about violence reduction.

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Because if they were serious about violence reduction, they'd get behind him and the initiatives

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he wants to put forward.

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If they were serious about violence reduction...

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They would torture pregnant women?

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They would get behind me, I'm talking about the left here in Milwaukee County, and join

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me arm in arm in calling for longer periods of incarceration for repeat career criminals

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who have demonstrated over and over again that they're going to get a handgun, they're

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going to get a firearm, and they're going to perpetrate violence.

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So the only...

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Because I want to torture them to death.

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The only way that Clarke, what he's saying, makes any sense here is if you assume that

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what he means is that he wants to reduce crime by locking people up forever.

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That's the only way he could realistically be advocating for longer sentences as being

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a way to reduce crime or violence.

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Studies of repeat criminals have shown that longer sentences do not deter people from

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reoffending, primarily because a vast majority of criminals don't expect to get caught.

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They do not generally adapt their behavior to the assumption of what happens if this

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crime doesn't go well.

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They're generally an optimistic bunch in this sense.

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The consistent finding is that the severity of a punishment does not have a determinative

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value in terms of it being a deterrent, but what does is certainty of punishment.

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That is to say, crime would be very low if we lived in an authoritarian state because

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the odds of getting away with a crime would be very slim.

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But that's not the kind of world any of us want to live in.

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Alex has already voiced strong support for Clarke, who is super into civil asset forfeiture,

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which should be a big problem for Alex.

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So it's not surprising to hear Clarke expressing another position that is in direct opposition

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with one of Alex's big things.

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Longer prison sentences don't do anything to help lower crime.

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But you know what they do do?

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They drastically raise the prison population.

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According to the Sentencing Project, using information from the National Research Council,

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half of the rise in prison population that occurred between 1980 and 2010 was attributable

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to the growing obsession in our country with giving criminals longer prison sentences so

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politicians could posture like they're tough on crime.

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Super predators.

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Right.

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And that's why we have a much larger prison population, because mandatory minimums are

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a large part of it as well.

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And it was a bipartisan affair.

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Yep.

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Sheriff Clarke's dumbass idea about reducing crime with longer prison sentences only makes

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sense if he's operating off a single variable calculation, and that variable has to be retribution.

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He wants to be the one punishing someone very harshly, and he's trying to trick you into

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thinking he's doing it for your benefit.

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Longer harsher sentences do not deter first-time criminals because they don't expect to get

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caught.

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They don't deter repeat criminals for the same reason, and because just think about

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it for one fucking second.

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If you're in the mindset where you're going to commit a robbery, do you think that there's

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a single bit of difference between 20 and 30 years in prison being the possible sentences

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you could be looking at if you get caught?

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If you're okay with 20, the other 10 isn't going to swing you back to your senses.

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That's complete nonsense.

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And if he's just talking about locking people up until they die, or until they're quote

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too old to commit crimes, that's fucking insanely cruel, and would end up ballooning the cost

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of incarceration past the point that society could probably carry it.

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As people get older, the health-related costs they have go up, and that rises even higher

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in prison populations.

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The cost of incarcerating people who are reaching the ages where many of them have steep medical

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expenses is a really dumb idea societally, especially considering all you would be doing

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is wasting money that could be better used on initiatives and programs that work to solve

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the problems that lead to crime.

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But Clark doesn't want less crime.

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He wants more punishment.

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That is an important distinction in this monster of a human.

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Yeah.

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That's why, what is it, Norway or Sweden that has the lowest recidivism rates, and their

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prisons are well-designed.

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Something like three times lower.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And the maximum sentence is 21 years, because really, what is the difference between 20

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and 30 years?

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And you can leave.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Right, right, right.

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Yeah.

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But a lot of this stuff is a process.

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We're learning about this stuff, and we're learning from the mistakes that we made as

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society went bad directions.

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Right.

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Well, some of us are learning.

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Well, ideally.

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Yeah.

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Ideally.

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I think that we're learning in terms of the scholarship and the research that we have.

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Right, right, right, right.

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The fact that everybody hates scholars and researchers, that's not a good thing.

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But whether society decides to implement those lessons that we've learned is a completely

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different question.

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And if people like Sheriff Clark are allowed to roam free, it doesn't seem like we're going

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to.

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And people like Alex Jones can spit weaponized illiteracy that fights against people who

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study and research.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, Alex says goodbye to David Clark.

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And I just want to make it clear, all the rest of the stuff that I cut out is just guns

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are cool.

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Yeah.

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You bet they are.

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Yeah.

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It's just that.

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And I just want to make it clear, goodbye.

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Well, God bless you, sir.

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Hope to get you to touch base with us in the future again.

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Thank you so much for the time, Sheriff.

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Thanks.

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God bless you as well.

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All right.

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Amazing individual.

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A true patriot.

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We need more like him.

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We'll be right back with your phone calls.

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We need more like him.

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So after Alex goes to break and comes back, he is still riding high off this Sheriff Clark

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interview because Alex, too, I mean, I guess I kind of agree with him.

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He did get what he wanted out of it, which was Sheriff Clark expressing, I will not be

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involved in gun confiscation at all, which helps Alex.

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That's another high profile name that we're now adding to our squad.

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So he's fucking high as a kite.

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People like Sheriff David Clark Jr. of Milwaukee County.

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That's not a radical sheriff.

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We've gotten radical anti-liberty people in everywhere to where someone who is what America

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is based on looks weird and sounds strange, basically, to the general public when they

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stand up for what's right.

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Yep.

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He's not radical.

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Everyone's gotten radical.

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I mean, I would say that he's not far off from what America was originally based on.

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He's a lot farther off from our ideals of what we were based on.

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Maybe.

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In terms of actual historical, you know, existence.

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I don't know.

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I think Alex is always wrong about what America was based on.

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Fair.

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Let me get a quote, a Thomas Jefferson quote, if you will, in this next clip about the founding

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of the country that led my research down a very interesting direction.

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Love me some slaves, says Thomas Jefferson.

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I mean, it's a citizen's right to defense, to kill somebody in your house if you think

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they're a danger or in many states if they're trying to take your property.

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And it's done to restrain evil.

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Sure, most of the Second Amendment is about tyranny in government, but a big part of it

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is Thomas Jefferson said, the presence of firearms restrains evil everywhere they're

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present.

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Really?

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So, Jordan.

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Really?

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He said firearms.

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Again, once again, we find Alex Jones quoting Thomas Jefferson, and I want you to guess,

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is this a real quote?

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No, it is not.

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Dan, I will tell you right now, it is not.

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Easiest trivia game in the world.

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That one was very not hard.

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For the thousandth time, this is not a real quote.

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Shit, this isn't even a fake Jefferson quote.

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This is a fake George Washington quote.

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So George Washington was said to have said the following in an address to Congress.

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But keep in mind, this is a very fake and completely made up quote.

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Quote, firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself.

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They are the people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence.

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The church, the plow, the prairie wagon, and citizens' firearms are indelibly related.

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From the hour the pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies

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prove that to ensure peace, security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally

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indispensable.

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The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference.

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They deserve a place of honor with all that's good.

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Oh boy, well, it's important to remember George Washington was kind of a shitty speaker and

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a shitty writer.

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But also that doesn't sound anything...

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And he's a shitty president and he did not sound anything like that.

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It doesn't sound anything like any of his writing.

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Ever.

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Ever.

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That should be one very serious tip-off that, like, the prose is very unlike.

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That is...

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The way you spoke.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That quote is from a piece written, most likely, this is what the consensus is on this quote,

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that it's from a piece written in 1926...

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By PewDiePie.

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By a guy named C.S. Wheatley in a magazine called Hunter, Traitor, Trapper.

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But Wheatley never tried to pass that off as a quote from Washington.

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The interpretation that it's a Washington quote is an intentional misreading of his

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opinion article.

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He's talking about Washington addressing Congress and then that paragraph is there, but it's

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not in quotes.

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Yeah.

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It's not as presented as Washington's words.

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Right, right, right.

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That is just something that people have mistaken from his editorial article in Hunter, Traitor,

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Trapper from 1926.

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And that was the time wherein the Confederate South was really working hard to rebrand.

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I don't know anything about C.S. Wheatley, so I don't know what his intentions were.

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And it didn't seem...

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I think from whatever thing I can tell, it doesn't seem like he was trying to run a con.

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It seems like those are his words and his feelings, which is why this is interesting

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because those are not Washington or Jefferson's words.

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They are C.S. Wheatley's feelings about the history of guns, which would not have nearly

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as much gravitas were Alex to quote this correctly.

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So also one dead giveaway that this is a fake quote that anybody should be able to tell,

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it's a fake quote when it's attributed to Washington, that is, is the mention of prairie

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wagons, which are certainly not something that would have been relevant in Washington's

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lifetime, seeing as the French owned the Great Plains and Washington would be dead before

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the Louisiana Purchase went down.

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Also in Washington's lifetime, the use of the word pilgrim to describe the first colonists

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who came over was not very common.

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That terminology didn't become popular until the early 1800s.

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So these sorts of indications should be red fucking flags.

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Over the years, this fake quote was passed around, but where it picked up the most traction

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was being a big piece of rhetoric put out by the militia of Montana.

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To quote D.J.

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Malloy's book, American Extremism, History, Politics, and the Militia Movement, quote,

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not only does the militia of Montana's employment of these founding fathers typify the militia's

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arguments in respect to the Second Amendment and the importance of militias in resisting

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tyranny, it also provides another telling illustration of the extent to which the militias

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seek to identify themselves with the dominant tradition of American history.

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The militia of Montana's desire to receive the approbation of these founders seemingly

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overwhelms the demands of historical accuracy.

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Madison's words from the Federalist 46 are compressed and misquoted slightly, and those

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attributed to Washington and Jefferson are simply invented.

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Malloy goes on to make a really good point.

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There are a lot of quotes that militia folks use from this time period that are real from

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people like Richard Henry Lee or George Mason or Patrick Henry, but what do all those dudes

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have in common that people like George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, who the militia folk

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constantly make up quotes for, don't?

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Do you know what the difference is?

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Washington and Jefferson knew how to read?

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No.

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Oh.

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The people who the militia community, quote, accurately are pretty much all anti-federalists,

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or to put simply, they were the people back in the late 1700s who were opposed to the

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ratification of the Constitution.

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The anti-federalists are really who the militia people are most in line with, but they're

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largely not seen as the founders of the country by most people who have a basic view of the

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roots of America.

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People like James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington,

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those are the people that people associate with the founding of the country, and they

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were all Federalists.

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So in order to associate themselves with the rightful lineage of the country's founding,

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these patriot militia folk make up quotes that mirror their beliefs and attribute them

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to Federalists.

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If I had to guess, I would say that Alex's constant misquoting of Jefferson and clearly

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distorted view of history is the result of him either knowingly trying to attach himself

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to that Federalist legacy, or him being so dumb that he's just been fooled by militia

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websites and newsletters he read growing up that we're doing exactly that.

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So I think that's probably a pretty good explanation for why Alex is constantly yelling fake quotes,

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yeah, from Thomas Jefferson.

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Quite literally, nobody hates the United States more than the people who profess to love the

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United States.

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No, I think you could...

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Their progenitors didn't want the United States.

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They did not want the United States, they just wanted a...

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The Anti-Federalists wanted a severely weak centralized government and believed that the

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president was just a replacement for a king.

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And without the Anti-Federalists, you probably wouldn't have ended up with the Bill of Rights.

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So there's arguments to be made that they weren't piles of shit or anything like that.

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But their arguments very much more closely mirror the militia movement and the people

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like Alex.

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But they don't want to be like, we are like these people who were against the Constitution.

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They don't want that.

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So they create a fictitious connection with the people who were the founders and writers

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and ratifiers of the Constitution that they idolize and fetishize.

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It's very interesting to me.

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And cannot read.

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And that's why all of Alex's information has to go back to lore because it can't go back

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to history.

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No, absolutely not.

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Because otherwise, he's completely disconnected from the lineage of the founding of the country.

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Anyway, just for fun though, here's a real quote for you from Washington.

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In the Revolutionary War, Washington said that militias were, quote, worse than useless.

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And he wrote to Congress saying, quote, they come in, you can't tell how, go, you can't

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tell them when, and act, you can't tell where.

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They consume your provisions, exhaust your stores, and leave you at last at the critical

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moment.

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Washington was not into militias.

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No.

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He thought they sucked and they needed a formal government or a formal army.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So go suck on that, Alex, stupid asshole.

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So in this next clip, we get back to Alex towards the end of this episode after Clark

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leaves and he's sort of riding that high.

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He gets back to complaining about how the media all just lies about him.

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They're all just saying that I said all this shit I didn't say.

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Right, right.

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I'm saying that they said that I said that even though they didn't say that I said that

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and I'm telling you that they did.

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It's a bad who's on first about this meteor.

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Yeah.

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And I want to reveal an additional irony after this clip.

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When it's kicked out of the Kuiper Belt outside the edge of the solar system or closer in

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the asteroid belt, whatever comment or whatever comes by and knocks them out of the regular

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orbit, generally knocks some other stuff with them.

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And so that's why you've seen the big stone meteors coming in.

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Of course, it doesn't matter what I just said.

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CNN and Atlantic Wire will just say that I said aliens did it or something.

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But there you go.

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Yeah, there's some footage of one of the giant burning craters.

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Man, that looks like something out of a movie.

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Ugh.

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Whoa.

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Empire Strikes Back.

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Isn't that awesome-looking?

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Oh my gosh, look at that video of that crater.

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I hadn't seen that one yet.

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Is that out of Russia?

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Wow.

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Looks like my wife.

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Unbelievable.

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That thing blew up.

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That was just one piece of it that did that.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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One piece of it.

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What a fucking child.

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So Alex is complaining about how he feels the media is covering his coverage of this

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recent meteor that blew up over Russia.

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He's insisting, incorrectly, that the media is saying that he said it was secretly some

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sort of an attack on Russia.

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He's very upset that they don't cover how accurately he actually is about stuff like

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this.

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And they don't discuss his real point about the meteor, namely that the one that flew

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over Russia was a spur off of DA14 or was related to it.

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But that itself is shitty reporting that Alex should be criticized for.

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I prefer to call it da 14th, if you will.

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Sure.

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DA14 was making its closest pass to Earth that day.

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And this meteor over Russia exploded 12 miles above ground on the same day.

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So a very irresponsible reporter might just conclude that they're related.

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It's two space things happening on the same day, so they must be connected.

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Let's go to lunch.

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Yeah, space isn't that big.

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Yeah.

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But they weren't related.

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All credible astronomers have been very clear that DA14 and the Russian meteor Chelyabinsk

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had completely different orbits and had nothing to do with each other.

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To quote NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, quote, the fireball was not associated with

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asteroid 2012 DA14, which made a very close flyby of Earth just 16 hours later.

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This is known because the two objects approached the Earth from completely different directions

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and had entirely different orbits around the sun, and their compositions are dissimilar.

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The timing of their arrival was certainly head-scratching, but it's a fucking big universe

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out there, and crazy coincidences sometimes do happen.

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The Chelyabinsk meteor caught everyone off guard because it was below the threshold size

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for bodies that are monitored by the International Space Agencies.

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That's why it came out of nowhere.

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Which actually prompted a lot of people to start a conversation about, like, we need

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to start monitoring smaller shit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Near-Earth objects could fuck us up pretty quickly.

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Even if they're smaller.

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Even if they're smaller.

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It wasn't at all a criticism that was being made by the mainstream media, but Alex absolutely

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deserves someone calling him out for his reporting that these things were at all connected.

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Because the claim that they're connected isn't just some sort of slight inaccuracy or flub

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that means nothing.

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It's part of the dangerous rhetoric that has no basis in reality that Alex puts out constantly.

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Coming from Alex, the claim that the Chelyabinsk meteor was a piece of DA14 is meant to further

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his argument that you can't trust any experts.

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They told you that everything was going to be fine as DA14 made a pass by the planet,

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but how do you, you know, how about you tell that to the thousand or so people in Russia

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who were injured by Chelyabinsk, the explosion?

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What appears to be just a simple instance of Alex being wrong is actually a functional

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piece of his anti-media propaganda, which is built on a misunderstanding or just an

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outright lie that these two things were connected, when they weren't.

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It's easy to gloss over this as just like, hey, you know, he's just dumb, whatever.

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But it's...

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Which is what they did.

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And I think I probably did the first time I heard him talking about it.

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So did...

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Yeah, of course.

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Yeah.

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But it's, it's, it's more nefarious than that.

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Yeah.

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It's, there's, there's so much like, even the stuff that should be a disadvantage, if

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you don't have any shame, turns out to be an advantage for you.

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You know, like you should, you should feel embarrassed if you are dunked on that hard

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for being shitty at your job, instead of just doubling the fuck down and saying, actually,

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I'm the best there ever was.

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Because all I reported on was them being connected, which also isn't true.

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Exactly.

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And so then you take that inability to feel shame or take any responsibility for anything

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and turn that into a weapon towards the media that is trying to get you to feel those things,

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and you wind up cutting them off and the people who listen to you create a fucking cult, and

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then everybody becomes a goddamn sheriff fucking Clark.

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Or at least...

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That was a little bit quick.

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Or defenders of Sheriff Clark.

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It may have been a little bit quick of a jump, but yeah.

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Yeah.

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You get my point.

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It's the slippery slope there is real.

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It's fucked up.

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So we got one last clip here, and just to end things on a sort of...

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Please God, tell me it's a good thing.

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It's not good, but it's not bad.

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Sort of a parsley-ish kind of thing, like a palate cleanser.

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All right.

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It adds a little something to muscles.

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Yeah, this is the literal end of the episode, where Alex is taking a call from a guy who

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has some inside info about President Barack Obama.

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Someone of my family's special forces, and he and his unit received a medal from Obama

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for an achievement they got, and he said that Obama refused to look any of them in the eyes,

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that he would look them in the shoulder, like would refuse to make eye contact with them

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like they were beneath him, and that he had a dead fish handshake.

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You know, there was no muscle, nothing to it, you know?

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Yeah, I've been told some pretty weird stories on people that know Obama, but I don't have

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authorization to tell those stories on the air.

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I kept that in, or what made me most interested in this clip.

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Let's listen again to this fake laugh.

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There's the first part of the fake laugh that's ha, ha, ha, ha.

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The very last part of just that.

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The second part.

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Huh.

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Focus on that.

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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

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I think that's creepy and weird.

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It's super creepy and weird.

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But also, like, what do you think he's holding back?

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Like, has he just not formulated his, Obama smells like sulfur yet?

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Nope.

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Like, has he just not figured out what to do?

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Like, what is he pretending he knows?

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He knows, for a fact, from his inside sources, that Obama has an aggressively average dick.

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Okay.

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But you can't tell that, because that's not really an insult.

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Or is, uh, with Andrew Breitbart, unimpressive balls.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Unremarkable balls.

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Unremarkable balls.

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Um, I mean, like, this caller is, like, really thinking he's gonna get some mileage out of,

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like, he's a limp handshake.

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Yeah.

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Oh, man.

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Jesus.

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Real great.

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Real great.

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What are we doing, guys?

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Yeah.

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What are we doing?

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It's pretty, it's pretty pointless.

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Do you remember when people used to be like, I heard Obama has a limp handshake and that's

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why we shouldn't like them instead of, 22 people have credibly accused Obama of rape.

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I think it's fine.

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It's a, it is a deterioration.

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Yeah.

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A little bit of a slide.

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And I fucking hated George W. Bush when I was in college and, uh, around that time.

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I still do.

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Sure.

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That's, that's fine.

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I'm not, uh, too far away from you.

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Lapsed painter.

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Uh-oh.

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Uh-oh.

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I, what I'm getting at is I hated that dude.

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Uh, he was the worst, but if someone came to me and was like, he has a limp handshake,

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that wouldn't rank.

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No.

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That wouldn't register.

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Not even close.

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And if I had a radio show where I talked about how, uh, Bush was terrible all the time and

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some caller came, I was like, Hey man, I know a dude who met him and he had a limp handshake.

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I'd be like, get the fuck off the line.

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Yeah.

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Do you, do you think you have the right to waste my time with that?

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Even if I'm just about to end the show, now I'm extending the show.

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Just to be mad at you, you asshole.

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We'll be back in a minute.

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Hang on the line.

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Hang on the line.

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I'm gonna fucking hate this guy.

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Hang on the line.

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You stupid asshole.

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I have got some public disgrace to mete out.

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Yeah, because you don't want to encourage that sort of behavior in your callers and

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then cause all of a sudden you're like, now it's acceptable to call in with, with bullshit.

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Petty rumors.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Exactly.

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It's a, it really cheapens whatever is going on on your show and that's saying a lot considering

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you just fucking interviewed David Clark.

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Yeah.

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You just, it's, it's trash.

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The show is trash.

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But at least it also promotes a white terrorism and celebrates a guy who tortures people to

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death.

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So, you know, good trash.

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Yeah.

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Good work guys.

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Interestingly, very little about Sandy Hook though.

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Kind of really can't wait for Barnes to host this show full time just so I don't have to

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deal with it.

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Well, that will be the day that we do not return to the present ever again.

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We'll be lost in space as it were.

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But yeah, I mean, if you look at this, it's a real bad couple of days on his show.

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Real wild.

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The defensiveness is really interesting because it's really escalating.

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I think that maybe a couple of stories came out that mentioned him and he has a Google

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alert on his name.

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Of course.

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So he found those stories and he's responding to them so aggressively.

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I think that might be something that grows in the future.

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I think that might be, I think that might be a very serious trend for us to pay attention

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to.

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And obviously, anytime people brought him up in the past, he responded similarly.

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That does seem like more is happening.

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It's taking over these couple of days.

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It's a constant thing he's talking about, which feels much more modern, Alex, than this

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2013 period.

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Absolutely.

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The navel gazing, the self-involvement is very representative of his present day style.

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It's interesting.

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I don't know.

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I kind of suggest that he's, you know, we always knew that he had a narcissistic streak,

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but as we see it kind of grow into the fucking...

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When it's fed.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Again, when we're seeing the rise of Trump and how much he loves Trump and how much he's

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trying to emulate that behavior of just complete narcissistic self-aggrandizement, then it

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starts to feed into him.

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And if you don't have any shame, like both he and Trump, then there you go.

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You turn into whatever it is they became.

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And it's interesting too, because in this 2013 span, like, you know, of course we spent

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a lot of time discussing how like he won't shut the fuck up about going on Piers Morgan's

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show.

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Did you know he went on Piers Morgan's show?

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He doesn't talk about it that much.

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Oh, okay.

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Good.

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But I did hear a little about it.

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Okay.

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But what's interesting to me about that is like, that is narcissistic acting out to a

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T, but it also has the appearance of like, yeah, that is a big show on CNN for you to

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go on and people were talking about it for better or worse, you know, like people making

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fun of him on the Daily Show and on the whole worse, but yeah, but also people in those

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Patriot weirdo communities giving him a thumbs up or some of them being like, hey, you just

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made us all look like a crazy assholes.

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You just did a disservice to your own movement probably because you're a Zionist chill.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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He did get some blue madness.

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You made us look like a crazy asshole, you Zionist shill.

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All right, dude.

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Okay.

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Right.

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So he did that from his own people, but you know, whatever it is, it's still a big deal.

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There's a lot of people talking about it.

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So it didn't strike me as like petty narcissism as much as this does.

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Like this Atlantic article, him lying about what they're saying about it.

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The stuff about like the Fox AP article about the 1.6 billion bullets.

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Those sorts of things are much lower scale.

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People are not talking about this that much.

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And even that clip of CNN's reliable sources is related to the Piers Morgan thing.

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Jesus.

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He hates reliable sources.

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It's interesting to me.

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And maybe it's just because of it's been over this stretch of time, but it appears to me,

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ah, here's the way I would put it.

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How?

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The requirements for that which he will obsess about when it's related to himself seems to

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be falling.

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Ah, ah, ah.

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The threshold by which he would begin to obsess over himself.

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I allow for the Piers Morgan thing.

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I'll make fun of it, but I allow for it because that's a good PR stunt.

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If you're just a, like, respect to the scam, sort of, if you're a valueless, just sort

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of do whatever you can for PR kind of person, that's exactly what you would do.

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That's effective and tip my hat.

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This is not, this is petty as shit.

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It's stupid, it's defensive, and it's all in service of growing his mythos.

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Growing his, sort of, legend.

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Yeah, it really doesn't get much pettier than responding to an article that quoted one of

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your writers correctly with no, like, real judgment of it.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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That's pretty petty.

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It is.

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It's not you that they're even talking about.

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I'm not sure if the trend will continue, and I guess we'll probably find out sooner than

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later because if Alex is doing this deposition shit in the present day, he probably won't

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be on his show for a little bit, so he may be stuck.

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And these wacky Wednesday things, like, there's nothing happening over at Project Camelot.

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God damn it, Kerry, get on it.

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I know.

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It stinks.

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So we'll be back on Wednesday, but until then, Jordan, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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You bet it is.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's knowledge underscore fight and go to bet Jordan.

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That's right.

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We're also on Facebook.

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We are on Facebook.

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We are also on iTunes and other podcastual applications.

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You can also find Dan's plants, and they will drip rainwater that will actually sound like

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our podcast, so you can listen to it that way.

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Really struggling to try and prune those babies.

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Yeah, we're getting a little wilt going on there.

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No, we're not.

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It's just overcastness.

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Not enough sun.

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But as we get to the end of this, this is going to be unprecedented.

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This is really tough.

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This is not a winner of an episode.

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No, no, no.

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I got one.

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Okay.

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This is unprecedented.

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Here you go.

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Because it's a hypothetical person.

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Oh, no.

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Person out there who owns one of Alex Jones' oil paintings and will be willing to sell

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it to me, I bet you haven't killed anybody.

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You would have to not have killed anybody.

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I bet you're a great person who's willing to let go of that probably terrible oil paint

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to get a reasonable price.

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You were just a nice podcaster out of Chicago looking for new decor.

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Maybe you'd donate it, yeah.

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You'll definitely be a raptor princess.

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You have never killed anybody, but one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.