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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around,

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drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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What?

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What's your favorite memory of being at Pride?

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Um, I don't know, man.

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Pride parade or a Pride festival, which would you?

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Hmm, I've gone down to the parade a lot of the years that I've lived in Chicago.

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Yeah.

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Not entirely sure all of the ones that I've gone to, but I don't know.

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They all sort of blur together.

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I mean, I don't, I do remember my first year here, I'll say this was my response to it.

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Maybe this is my favorite memory just because I came from Columbia, Missouri,

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which is a very liberal town in Missouri, but it's, you know, it's not a huge population.

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And you know, you move to the city of Chicago and you expect like,

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this is urban living, this is like big city shit.

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Right, right, right.

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I go down to Michigan Avenue and there's a high skyscrapers, like nothing like that in Columbia.

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It's like, you know, just like you expect everything to be so crazy.

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And Pride happened and I went and my response to it, my review was,

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it wasn't as gay as I expected.

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Because you have this perception in your mind, it's like how Alex described it.

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No, of course.

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Just without the bigotry.

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I was like, you're kind of expecting like nakedness everywhere.

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Right, right, right.

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And my response was like, yeah, it was just a good old time parade.

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It's a good parade.

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Yeah, everybody has a good time.

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Yeah, that sticks out in my head to like that false image being penetrated for sure or punctured.

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Yeah, I remember growing up with a very similar false image.

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Like my parents were incredibly homophobic and really awful about that.

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So I always had this like, they were always giving me this mental picture of just a bunch

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of dudes with dicks, throwing them around, walking down the street going, look at us,

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we're allowed to do this because Christian rights are destroying you or whatever.

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And so, yeah, it was really nice and so annoying when you do experience it for the first time

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and you're like, oh yeah, this is normal.

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Why did I ever think anything else?

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What an idiot.

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You let other people sensational and slightly dehumanizing images into your head without

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even realizing that they are that sort of thing.

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And then you see the reality and you're like, oh, we're all just having a good time.

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Yep.

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And listening to a little bit of bwah, bwah, bwah.

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Hell yeah.

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Anyways, happy Pride.

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Yeah, we're recording this over Pride weekend here in Chicago out on Halsted Avenue.

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We got the speakers and...

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Now you're no longer that wide-eyed child coming to this big city.

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Doing my Chicago voice.

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Hey, look at these people blocking traffic.

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Hey, got traffic backed up to Pulaski.

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And there's a Cubs game going on right around the corner.

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Yeah.

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It is interesting to see a lot of people dressed up for Pride and then other people just walking

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around in like Cubs gear.

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Yes.

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Very, very nice mix.

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It was so fun.

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Yeah.

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So this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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And I only know what you tell me.

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Correct.

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Jordan, today we are back in the past.

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We are going over the stretch of February 10th to 13th, 2013 in our ongoing investigation

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of what happened with Alex Jones after Sandy Hook and how his rhetoric evolved and honestly

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finding out a lot more about other stuff.

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Yeah.

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Quite frankly.

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But we'll get into that.

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And I want to say that I need to try and make a real priority to keep focusing on this 2013

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Sandy Hook stuff, even as the present day becomes so crazy and Alex flames out in front

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of our very eyes.

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Accelerates into a hall of fire.

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Yeah.

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It's still super important because barring any kind of like really catastrophic event,

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Alex still is going to have to do this lawsuit coming up.

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The Sandy Hook families are still going to have their day in court and even like almost

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basically a week from when we're recording this, he has to give his deposition in that

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case.

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And I think that there is an incredible amount of value for us to understanding the present

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as Alex's present becomes closer to the actual lawsuit for us to understand this 2013 stretch.

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And so I'm saying this as much to myself as to you and to the audience that I believe

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that this is a valuable thing.

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Even if at times it does not feel that way.

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Even if at times it feels like I don't know why I'm doing this.

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Yeah, but Alex is just rambling about nothing.

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Every time we get that experience where you do a modern day episode and then the next

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episode, we go into the past and there's a parallel that's worth that's worth 10 episodes

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where there isn't.

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That's amazing.

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Or just that that guy who was kidnapped by the Somali pirates who responded to.

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You gotta give it up to the Somali pirates.

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Well, I mean, had we have not done those episodes in 2009, we wouldn't know Alex's affinity

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for the Somali pirates.

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So it wouldn't have been strange to I mean, it would still be strange to hear this guy

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responding to the Trump administration's treatment of the children in these these camps

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with the you know, his response to be Somali pirates gave me a toothbrush.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You know, we know we know that you've got to give it up to the Somali pirates.

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Apparently, Alex must have known right on.

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He must have known they were giving them toothpaste.

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At least you tip your head to that.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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So there's that value of going back to the past, finding those bizarre things.

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Worth it.

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But yeah, so we're in February 10th to 13th.

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We'll get through that.

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And I think there's some interesting things to learn along the way.

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There's certainly an evolution of some of the narratives that are really front and center

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in his mind.

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Yeah, starring Duchovny and Orlando Jones.

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What?

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Evolution?

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Oh, all right.

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So Jordan, last we left off, we were in 2013 and Alex was intermittently obsessed with

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Piers Morgan.

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Right.

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Fucking take intermittent out of it.

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I was going to say, he's been obsessed with Piers Morgan since the day he asked for him

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to get out of here.

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That's been characterizing a lot of his coverage of everything in 2013.

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He is a attention hungry little boy and Piers is the guy who's selling chocolate.

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Yeah.

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Attention chocolate.

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Metaphor fell apart.

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But he is really trying to do all that.

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That's been a real trend.

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And on our last episode, we have the beginning of Alex paying attention to the Christopher

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Dorner shooting spree that's happening in California, where Dorner has shot a woman

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who is the daughter of his defense attorney when he was trying to overturn or challenge

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his termination from the LAPD.

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He killed that guy's daughter and her fiance and then another cop and has been on the lam,

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running around and terrorizing most of Southern California for a while now.

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And Alex, on our last episode, he didn't seem all that informed about it.

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No.

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It didn't seem...

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Uninterested almost.

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Well, certainly you get the indications of disinterest from him not covering it from

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the jump.

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That's certainly true.

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And then just sort of blase like, eh.

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And I believe on our last episode, one of the things that he was saying is like, you

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think this is bad.

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If you take our guns, you're all dead.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That was kind of one of his big pieces of rhetoric.

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And it's not surprising to jump in on the 10th, which is a Sunday show, and hear him

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coming back in with basically the same rhetoric.

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Let me tell you, you better hope the globalist civil war doesn't start.

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You're scared to death that they've got patrol cops off the streets on motorcycles or foot

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because of one guy in Southern California, a state of 38 million people, 20 something

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million of them in Southern California.

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You start a fight with 160 million gun owners.

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You let the global social engineers start this.

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The Bolshevik collectivist.

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Whoa, when did they get involved?

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You let them get you into this while they sit back?

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Do you have any idea what's going to happen?

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If 1% of that 160 million fight back and just go out and go after one person and then disappear

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and never seen again, that's 1.6 million combatants.

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Can you do the math?

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That's as many police there are in this country.

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So you're all dead if you're trying to take our guns.

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Wait, did he just make the implication that if 1.6 million responsible gun owners were

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to have their guns taken away, they would instantly, like Ninja, kill every cop and

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then disappear into the night?

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1% of them would.

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99% would just be like, ah, whatever, maybe I'll turn in my gun.

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But the 1% would then kill every single cop.

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Well, that's troublesome.

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I think that's actually a really big problem that maybe we should consider when talking

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about gun control.

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Well, I mean, what it is is just almost directly a lifting of that book, Unintended Consequences.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It's just this fetishization of the idea of, like, if we are pushed too far, we have

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it within us to kill all of you, and it is only our good decency that is not making you

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dead right now.

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Yeah, we're definitely not a bunch of cowardly, weak-willed, disgusting examples of toxic

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masculinity.

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Not sure I want to put that label on these trigger-happy folks.

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Sorry about that.

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So one of the things that I find really troubling about this February 10th episode is it is

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a really hard show to listen to.

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It's mostly aimless, talking about just about nothing.

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And then Alex starts taking phone calls from listeners who he specifically asked to call

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in, who are people who have family members who are enlisted persons who had committed

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suicide.

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It's at moments like this, the show could be very touching.

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And it's kind of a thing where callers are able to honor their loved ones' memories.

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And I don't want to make fun of that, and I don't even want to really talk about it.

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I don't think it's appropriate.

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I don't think it's appropriate for his show, and I don't think it's certainly not appropriate

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for ours.

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And the thing is, at other times, the show is really, it feels like Alex is using these

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callers' loved ones and their memories to help push his narratives.

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And even that is something that I don't feel really right touching at all.

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So I'm leaving most of the 10th aside.

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Did Sam call him?

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Bible Dan?

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Sam?

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Bible Dan did not.

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I will keep you posted about all Bible Dan sightings.

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I need to know everything about Bible Dan from here on out.

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I regret now that I haven't pulled the other times he's called in, because I have heard

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him.

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Not as much as old man house phone.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I've definitely heard Bible Dan a number of times, and it's always the same thing.

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Alex is like, I don't want to argue about the rapture with you.

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That has to be a bit, right?

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No, he seems incredibly frustrated every single time he calls in.

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Like, because at this point in time, Alex doesn't have a good screening staff.

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Right.

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Literally, when he's looking for military and police callers, on the 13th, he's specifically

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looking for cops to call in.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he says repeatedly, when you hear someone hang up, call in.

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Which indicates to me that he might not have multiple phone lines.

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He might just have a situation where it's like, well, if you call in, it's busy.

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Keep calling.

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So it's entirely possible that there might actually just be like, brrr, from Folsom

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Prison calling in.

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We'll accept the charges.

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Come on.

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Maybe.

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I mean, it's like a radio station running a fifth caller.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's free tickets.

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Your kid calling in, oh, it's busy.

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I feel it might be.

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I don't know.

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Whatever the case, Alex is surprised by someone like Bible Dan.

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Yeah.

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Probably because of the lack of infrastructure.

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So funny.

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So, but there's one more clip here I want to play from this February 10th episode.

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And it's Alex repeating something about Dorner that is not true.

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And I'm going to tie that into the police state.

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Christopher Dorner, the first US homeland drone strike victim, current TV saying that.

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The Al Jazeera and Al Gore run system.

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And we've got it also out of Reuters.

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But it's not true because look at this, meet the North Dakota family of anti-government

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separatists busted by cops using a predator drone.

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That was two years ago.

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They're using drones all the time.

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The military industrial complex that Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us about.

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But I guess he's with Al Qaeda.

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So Alex covers the Christopher Dorner story very little on this Sunday, February 10th

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show.

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But I thought it was very interesting that he's reporting that Dorner has been hit by

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a drone.

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He's the victim of a drone.

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Current TV is reporting the Al Jazeera and Al Gore.

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Yeah.

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Do you think it just picked two Als?

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Probably.

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Yeah.

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I mean, he got back to Al Qaeda.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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He's Al happy.

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He's been listening to a lot of Paul Simon.

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So now it's important to track Alex's language in that clip because it's very curious.

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He's saying that outlets are reporting that Christopher Dorner is the first US person

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domestically to be the victim of a drone.

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But he contests the reporting.

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It's important to clarify, however, that the part he's saying isn't true is the first

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US person part, not the part about the completely made up story about Dorner getting hit by

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a drone.

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Because Dorner is alive at this point.

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He doesn't die for two more days.

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Yeah.

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And he does eventually by shooting himself.

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Right.

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So because all the drone.

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Yes.

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No, because all I do is listen to Alex Jones.

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I know why he's contesting this part of the story.

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It's because there's a tale of white victimhood to be told here.

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And Alex is never a man to let that go to waste.

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The North Dakota story he's talking about is about a man named Rodney Brosart.

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Brosart was a farmer who owned some land and apparently that included an abandoned missile

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site, which is irrelevant to the story, but it's an interesting detail.

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You can't.

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Have you never read Chekhov?

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Chekhov's Gun.

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It's an interesting tidbit in this play that I'm going to tell you about.

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Uh huh. Well, I mean, I guess kind of it comes into effect because there's some cows that

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come up and they did end up at the missile site.

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Right.

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From what I understand.

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Okay.

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One of the articles I read.

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But the missile site could have been anything.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So one day, six cattle from a neighbor's ranch land wandered away and ended up on Brosart's

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property.

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When the rancher came by and tried to ask Brosart to let him onto the property so he

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could get his cattle back, Brosart told him he had to pay to get them back, which is kind

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of like passive aggressive cow napping.

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Ah, what a dick.

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This on its own is illegal.

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There's something known as estray law, which governs how people must treat stray valuable

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animals, they find.

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If an animal is considered livestock and it wanders onto your property, you can't just

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keep them.

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If you know the owner, you have a legal obligation to inform them.

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And if you don't know who owns the animal, you have to contact the authorities to help

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you sort it out.

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If you incur expenses in housing the animal until the owner collects it, you're entitled

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to seek compensation, but what you can't do is extort the owner.

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Yeah, that does sound like a bad thing.

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So the cattle owner called the police because his cows were being held for ransom.

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Right.

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And hold on.

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Because we all know where this ends.

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No, you don't.

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No, you don't.

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We don't?

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But he said that you...

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Okay, I'm sorry.

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Alex just said that he was going to get hit by a drone.

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He doesn't.

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Okay.

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Well, then fuck.

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They did use drones to surveil his house.

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Oh, well, come on.

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But this ends in an utterly disappointing way.

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I was really hoping that it starts with six cows and ends with a drone strike on his face.

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Look, that's a lesson right there.

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Don't be a dick to your neighbor.

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No one learns anything from this story.

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Okay, great.

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So the county's sheriff deputy and an inspector from the Stockman's Association responded

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to Brussert's house, where he was less than accommodating with the task that he had in

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front of them.

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Namely, they were supposed to free these cows.

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Brussert said that he'd deal with it later.

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The deputy said, we need to take care of it now.

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Then Brussert threatened to kill the deputy.

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Right.

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Same quote.

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Of course.

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If you step foot on my property, mister, you're going to not be walking away.

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Man, boy, it's nice to see somebody move to North Dakota just to commit to it, you know?

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Just like, can you give me one more stereotype about North Dakotans?

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I would like to live it.

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The deputy didn't enjoy that kind of talk, so he tried to arrest Brussert, who predictably

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resisted arrest, got tasered five times, then was handcuffed and taken in.

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Okay.

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Police still needed to resolve the case, though, so they wanted to investigate the property

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and see what they could find about the cattle situation.

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But unfortunately, the Brussert family are truly all related as they refused a police

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search warrant at gunpoint.

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I'm so glad I don't ever have to deal with these people.

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Fuck you.

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Randy was released on bail, but the family would still not allow anyone to come investigate,

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nor would they even respond to orders to appear in court.

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Left with no real options other than a gun battle with a family of assholes, the cops

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decided to employ a surveillance drone, which gathered enough evidence to prompt a tactical

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operation where the authorities arrested five members of the family back in November 2011.

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Now, here's the thing.

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This story is profoundly stupid.

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Brussert was found not guilty of stealing that guy's cows, because he didn't really

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steal them.

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He was later found not guilty of terrorizing the police, because a jury decided that saying,

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quote, if you step foot on my land, you'll not be leaving it didn't constitute a real

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threat.

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It's North Dakota.

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Apparently, the jury found it persuasive when Mike Argall, the former captain of the Sheriff's

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Department, said that this death threat wasn't really a death threat.

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It was more of a, quote, cause for concern.

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Really?

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A cause for concern.

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A former police officer was literally like, you know, people are saying that shit all

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the time.

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It's North Dakota.

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It's a cause for concern.

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That's how I get people out of the bar at 4 a.m.

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It's just a cause for concern.

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It took until 2015 for all this to play out.

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But literally nothing happened to any of these, this family.

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I mean, they got dragged out and took some time.

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But wow, they all got found not guilty and charges dropped.

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So the lesson to be learned is you can be a dick if you just really commit to it and

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you have a lot of guns.

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Yeah, but I mean, if you really think about it, this all could have not happened at all

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if this dude wasn't a huge dick.

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Yeah, it seems like that.

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When your neighbor comes over to try and retrieve his cattle, don't make him try to pay for

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them.

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That's an asshole move.

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Yeah.

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When the cops come and try to get you to stop being such a dick, don't vaguely threaten

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to kill them.

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That's a big dick move.

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All of this is his fault.

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Magically, there's no charges.

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No one goes to jail.

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Nothing.

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It's good to be white in America.

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Does seem like that, especially in North Dakota.

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Have you imagined a black person doing exactly that on their doorstep?

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I don't think it would go as well.

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We need to get those cows back.

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I will do it later.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, no kidding.

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Anyway.

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We wouldn't even get to the threat.

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This is the story that Alex wants to talk about, this North Dakota story, instead of

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talking about this story that he is alluding to about Christopher Dorner being taken out

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by a drone.

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Alex is saying the current TV is reporting that Dorner was the victim of a drone, and

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here is where we can find a really interesting thing to examine, and that is a specific piece

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of misinformation from the past.

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It's not true that the police were using drones to track Dorner, and in fact, when

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the police finally released their full 102-page report on the law enforcement response to

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Dorner in 2015, the word drone appears exactly once in this context.

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He really had an annoying voice.

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He droned on.

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He droned on.

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No, it's this context.

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Quote, federal and local officials also spent considerable time debunking a rumor that a

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drone was being used to track Dorner in the mountains.

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Ironically, the Department of Homeland Security had provided a piloted aircraft to help search

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the forest with infrared scanners capable of locating a body in the snowy terrain.

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But drones are scarier, Dan!

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They're drones!

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You don't even know what they're doing!

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Right.

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The only place in the report is like, yeah, we had to deal with a lot of people fucking,

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saying a bunch of stupid shit.

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Damn it.

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We don't deserve it.

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The story that Christopher Dorner was the target of drones was first reported on February

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10th, the Sunday, by the UK tabloid Express.

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The story was picked up by all manner of unscrupulous outlets who took the story as fact and began

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heralding the beginning of domestic drone warfare.

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But the story wasn't true and was clarified by representatives of the U.S. Customs and

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Border Protection Office pretty quickly.

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And they were consulted because they would be the people who would be lending the drone

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to law enforcement and were the people who were quoted in the Express article to begin

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with, so it really did fall to them to sort things out.

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It's unclear where the Express got its information from or how the story came to be.

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I really have no idea what was going on here.

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I know the Express.

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I mean, it's a tabloid, you know.

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They made it up.

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It's a pretty crazy thing to make up, though.

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Yeah!

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You know, Bat Boy.

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They're the Express!

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Right.

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But like Bat Boy or Princess Diana conspiracy.

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Right.

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I kind of get those.

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Right.

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This is active.

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This is happening.

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This is the sort of thing that has like real lasting damage, you know, Bat Boy stories.

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I don't know why I keep going back to that one.

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Yeah, I have no idea.

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But you know, those sorts of things don't...

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They're offensive to an extent, you know, like Princess Diana conspiracies.

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Right.

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But she's been dead for a really long time.

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Right, right.

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And it was a conspiracy that killed her.

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I think we went over this on our live episode.

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I don't want to get back into my feelings about Princess Diana.

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But anyway, from this point, the story got twisted into reports of the drones themselves

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being weaponized.

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And of Dorner being killed by one.

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Although he wouldn't die, like I said, until two days later.

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Right.

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All of the insinuations go back to this Express story.

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And are the result of a stupid game of telephone where people started speculating wildly.

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The New American wrote an article with the headline, quote,

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Will the LAPD use DHS drones to track and kill Christopher Dorner?

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Jesus.

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Which is really escalating the rhetoric.

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Wait, so a legitimate outlet took this bullshit story and then just asked a question.

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Piggybacked on it.

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And just like, hey, what if they did this?

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Right.

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Glenn Greenwald wrote a fairly tongue in cheek piece on The Guardian,

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rhetorically asking why it would be a bad thing to kill Dorner with a drone.

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Right.

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Obviously.

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Because he's Greenwald.

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If you read it, it doesn't seem like he's implying that it wouldn't be a bad thing.

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Right.

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It's more to prompt questions.

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Yeah.

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But also, if you read it and you didn't have a pretty decent ability to read.

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Yeah.

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It would be easy to miss the subtext and be like,

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hey, this guy is making a pretty good argument for why it would be dangerous

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for police to try and catch him.

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We should just use a drone.

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Yeah.

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Not to insult Greenwald, but his satire and his tongue in cheek abilities are not very high.

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He should stick to really screaming as directly as possible angry things.

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Yeah.

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And beyond that, there were also just conspiracy theorists who were launching stuff on YouTube

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about speculating even more irresponsibly than The New American or Greenwald did.

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And all these stories made use of language like, quote,

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drones targeting Dorner.

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You know, victim of drone.

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Yeah.

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That sort of thing.

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And all of them were based on this false story from The Express,

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which some people have gone so far as to call a hoax.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Yep.

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And so that's what Alex is reporting on or discussing here on this show.

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It goes to show like a real and to be fair, Alex is not alone in this.

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Like there's a lot of outlets that ran with this based on very little.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So we're going to a war with Iran is what you're saying right there.

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Oh, shit.

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Pretty irresponsible.

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Oh, Christ.

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We're fucked.

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Yeah.

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So that's about all we got from the 10th here, because like I said,

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most of it is stuff that I just don't feel good about talking about and it is what it is.

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So we get on into the 11th and Alex has noticed something that he feels

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is important about the Dorner situation.

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And he believes that there is a group in the world,

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namely his enemies, who are cheering Dorner on.

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Of course.

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And are supporting him.

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And here's what he has to say about that.

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If we're going to be looking obviously at the situation with growing support,

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for former L.A. officer accused in killing spree, extremely bizarre that Christopher

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Dorner, the alleged person doing this, is getting massive support.

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And even mainstream media is saying, well, maybe we should turn our guns in.

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And and yeah, the police are bad.

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He's striking back against evil people.

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What, shooting a cop and his girlfriend?

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And then calling up and teasing the police captain, if you believe any of this,

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it could be a shy op, but a lot of evidence points towards it being one of the system's

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killers going haywire because he got kicked out of the cult.

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Got kicked out of the cult.

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I've never said this on the podcast, but because I remember what happened with the

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Christopher Dorner manhunt, like, you know, it wasn't that long ago.

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I was 29 when it happened or so.

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Now, I have a pretty decent memory of that.

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I had a strong hunch that at some point Alex was going to start claiming the media supported

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him.

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I remember the way things progressed.

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Yeah.

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And my hunch wasn't based on like listening to Alex six years ago or anything like that.

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But it was how the story played out and how Alex's brain steadfastly refuses to accept

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complexity.

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No one in the media supported Christopher Dorner going on a shooting spree and terrorizing

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an entire city and area of the country.

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There was wall-to-wall denunciation of his actions, and I assure you all of the major

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figures in media had far more negative positions on Dorner than Alex does with his this is

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what's going to happen to all of your cops if you take our guns bullshit.

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That's not a very negative line to take.

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Yeah, it doesn't seem like he's like his closest criticism is like, see, that's bad that he

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killed the wrong people.

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I think that's what he's describing it as.

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I mean, his approach to it seems to be like less fuck this.

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This is terrible and more like this is a teachable moment.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, 100 percent.

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It's weird.

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However, I remember how as the manhunt went on, information started to come out about

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why he was doing what he was doing, and some in the media felt that it was worthwhile use

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of time to try and understand the motivations of a high profile and very scary spree killer.

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When you start to get into what motivated Dorner, a very complicated picture becomes

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to emerge.

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Dorner had previously been an officer with the LAPD, but he was fired in January 2009

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after he claimed a fellow officer had kicked a homeless man who they were detaining.

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Dorner was a rookie, and so he had to go along with a training officer, in this case, a woman

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named Theresa Evans.

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When they arrived on a call, they approached Christopher Gettler, who suffered from severe

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mental illness.

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Gettler threw a punch, and then he was tasered by Evans, and he ended up being the first

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being detained and then released to his father's custody.

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Two weeks later, Dorner reported Evans to his sergeant, saying she had kicked Gettler

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in the chest and face, drawing blood in an instance of clear, excessive force.

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An internal investigation did not conclude that that kicking had happened, and Dorner

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was fired for filing a false report against Evans.

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That sounds right.

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After he was fired, Dorner requested the termination be reviewed.

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That prompted hearings with the Office of the Inspector General, then the L.A. Superior

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Court, and eventually the California Court of Appeals.

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All of them upheld this termination and found no wrongdoing on the part of the LAPD.

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However, when you start to get into the details surrounding the case, there's a bit of muddiness

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that a lot of people have a very difficult time wrestling with.

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What, in that the most believable thing in the world is that an LAPD cop used excessive

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force?

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I mean, that's definitely the first element.

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The LAPD has a checkered fucking past.

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You're always going to default to not supporting them.

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Yeah.

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And it's an earned reputation in many ways.

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Oh, yeah.

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The idea of the code of silence lawsuits that had come out years prior, there's a lot of

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reasons why you would have a default position of skepticism of someone who's like, I reported

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this person.

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I was retaliated against.

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You're like, well, we should probably check on this.

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Right.

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So second, Richard Gettler, the detained man, said that when he...

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I'm sorry, his father, Richard.

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Christopher is the detainee.

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Yes.

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Richard Gettler, the detained man's father, said that when he returned home, his son told

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him that a cop had kicked him.

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However, Richard also pointed out that his son suffered from severe dementia and was

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quote, prone to contradictions.

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And his description of the officer who kicked him was a stretch to match with Evans.

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The hair color didn't match.

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He said that she was almost black and she is a Caucasian woman.

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Right, right, right, right.

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So when Gettler was asked to testify, his father said that he couldn't because quote,

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he wouldn't understand the questions asked nor be able to provide coherent answers.

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When he did finally come in for questioning, he was unable to answer questions about his

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age, what year it was, or even what day it was.

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Ultimately, he made a statement that he was struck with a club during the arrest, which

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is categorically not true.

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Right.

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He's someone who...

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There is a video of him being interviewed and he describes being kicked by the police.

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Yeah.

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And almost certainly based on his other behavior, in terms of questioning and interactions with

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the police, almost certainly a coached interview.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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Or if not overtly coached, then at least sort of led down the path kind of thing.

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But it's one of the big pieces of defense of Dorner's argument that this is, his argument

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is correct.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's reliable and we can't take it as yet.

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But also, I mean, the son did come home and made the claim to his father unprompted.

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Right.

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And his father Richard did say that his son's face was slightly puffy when he came home.

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So there's those details that are like, I wasn't there, I don't know.

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On the other hand, there were three eyewitnesses to the interaction between Evans and Gettler

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and none of them remembered a kicking.

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This doesn't prove that it didn't happen, but it doesn't help the argument that it did

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either.

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Right.

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So the complaint about Evans happened two weeks after the alleged kicking, but it also

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happened a day after she told him that her training evaluation of him was possibly going

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to involve recommendations of areas his performance needed improvement in, which is seen by many

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as being indicative of him being worried about what was going to come out and possible repercussions

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of this.

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Right, right, right, right.

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So, you know...

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Everybody's motives are murky here.

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Yeah.

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There's just a lot of murkiness.

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Like I said, I think calling it muddiness is a real fitting way to...

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Because whatever you want to pull out of that mud, you can justify it to a certain extent.

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Like if you really want to put stake in this Charles Gettler's recorded interview, you

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could go ahead and do that.

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And then if you want to take the word of his dad that he's prone to contradictions and

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could literally make contradictory claims here, was an unfit witness, you could take

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that.

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I don't know.

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They can all be true, or none of them can be true.

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So finally, when Dornan was fired, he alleged being the target of a racist police force,

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which again is an area where the LAPD does have some issues.

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The information that was available around the time of the shooting was incredibly inconclusive,

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and naturally it caused some people to question what had happened.

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Right.

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So this is where there's a very critical distinction.

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It's very possible to entertain the possibility that Christopher Dornan was the victim of

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wrongful termination by the LAPD and still strongly believe that his actions after the

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fact are abhorrent.

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A normal human mind can believe he might have been wronged and simultaneously believed that

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whatever wrong he suffered in no way justified how he decided to respond to it.

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Alex's rhetoric and propaganda did not allow for this level of reflection and complexity.

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So when he hears media talk about the possibility that Dornan was wrongfully terminated, he

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has to insist that that's them showing their cards and expressing support for him and his

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shootings.

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On February 11th, 2013, the day of this episode, The Guardian reported that the LAPD was reopening

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an investigation into Dornan's termination, including assistance from the FBI.

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But the LA police chief was very clear about why he was doing this, quote, I do this not

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to appease a murderer.

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I do it to reassure the public that their police department is transparent and fair.

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I'm sorry.

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Sorry.

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I'm almost certain that what Alex is responding to is news stories covering this development,

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the idea that they were going to reopen the investigation.

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And he's trying to paint the picture that the media is cheering Dornan on, which is

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deeply dishonest.

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And I don't know, look, I have a difficult time trusting any kind of institutional police

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force just because, of course.

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But in this circumstance, I think reopening that investigation was 100 percent the right

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thing to do, because if you did fuck this up, you got to own it.

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And if you didn't fuck this up, you need to restore the public's trust.

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I think it's absolutely the right thing for them to do.

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And I don't know, I don't like the way Alex spin it.

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So on June 17th, 2013, the LAPD released the report covering their reexamination of Dornan's

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firing.

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If you read this report, it's very hard to believe that Dornan's claims about Theresa

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Evans are true.

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One of my primary reasons for reaching this conclusion is that the event itself involved

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force.

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Evans did taser the guy, and prior to that, Dornan had tackled him into a bush.

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It's the LAPD procedure that any time any force is used in an arrest, a supervising

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officer has to be notified, and it triggers an automatic force investigation.

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That happened in this instance when that supervisor, who's specifically required to not be involved,

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which is to say that they're neither Dornan nor Evans' supervisor, when that guy arrived,

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he interviewed Dornan and everyone involved, and no kick was mentioned.

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They examined Gettler, and he did have a scratch on his face, but that was consistent with

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Dornan previously tackling him face-first into a bush.

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And again, it wasn't like a spear tackle, it was coming to the ground.

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The LAPD has a shitty history, and it's one where they have a history of having a code

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of silence, where whistleblowers have been the targets of retaliation, and it's hard

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to engage with this story without being somewhat swayed by that bias.

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And I will admit, as I dug deeper into the story, I felt myself countering each new indication

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that Dornan was clearly lying, with thoughts like, well, maybe it's all a huge cover-up.

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I kept having that instinct to be like, well, I mean, but what if...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We live in Chicago, our cops are murderers.

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Ultimately, if you look at the evidence in this report, there's a mountain of evidence

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indicating that he made this up, and countless holes in his story.

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Right.

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Obviously, police departments are not entities that you want to side with, if you're cool.

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And it's always good to take allegations of excessive force seriously.

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But from what I can tell, the LAPD was absolutely right to fire Christopher Dornan.

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Yeah, it seems like you were, it seems like you're on it.

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It's not the resolution that you necessarily want.

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I always would rather come to the right conclusion or the accurate conclusion than something

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that fits what I desire.

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Right, right, right.

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Of course.

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But it doesn't feel cool to be like, yeah, I mean, I got to give it to the LAPD on this.

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I feel like Alex talking about the Somali pirates.

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I'm still hoping that guy in North Dakota gets hit by a drone.

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That's my emotional center here.

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He tried to then sue the sheriff's deputy for tasering him.

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Of course he did.

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He lost and then he tried to appeal it up to the Supreme Court and they're like, no.

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Of course he did.

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So he wasted another three years in court.

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So some cold comfort.

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So anyway, I don't believe a lot.

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First of all, I don't believe the basic narratives that Alex is telling about Dornan, but I also

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think that there's so much more complexity than even he's capable or willing to engage

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with.

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So we'll hear a little bit more stupidity from him, especially surrounding this issue.

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But in this next clip, Alex admits to fake laughing on the show, which puts, it closes

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the book on something we've been very certain about for a long time.

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Makes me sick.

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See, I've learned to do a fake laugh because I do a sick laugh that keeps me from raging.

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And so that's why I do that, folks.

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That is a steam valve.

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That is a steam valve.

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Yeah, because for my health, I cannot get angry.

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You know who else uses laughter as a steam valve?

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The funny hulk?

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The Joker.

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Oh, funny hulk.

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Yeah, funny hulk.

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That's what I always called him growing up.

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That's what you called the Joker.

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Batman and funny hulk.

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I would say that that's, I mean, I know that people often like to say I have to laugh to

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stop from crying, but they're not usually speaking literally.

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That's usually kind of a poetic way of expressing an outlook.

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Alex, I think, is literally saying I have to laugh or else I'm going to tear this microphone

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out of the table.

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It does seem like if he doesn't go, then he's going to murder everybody, something along

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those lines.

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So in this next clip, Alex complains that everyone is so goddamn dumb.

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And part of the reason that they're so dumb is because they like monster trucks and pro-wrestling.

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All right, that makes sense.

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And I just love where this clip goes after that.

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Okay, so they're going to the unwashed masses who would sell their souls for professional

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wrestling and monster trucks.

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Hey, I like monster trucks and professional wrestling.

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It's a lot of fun, but it's not real.

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Well, the monster trucks are.

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Those things do double back flips now.

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Have you seen that?

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I actually went to a monster truck deal this weekend.

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It was pretty fun.

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But side issue, I want to go to one of the big tracks so they can really get going fast

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because it was in the Travis County Convention Center and they really couldn't get going.

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It wasn't what I'd seen online.

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It was still okay.

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But it wasn't like, you know, double backflips and stuff and people dying.

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It's pretty gladiatorial.

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Actually, those guys get really hurt doing it.

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Sorry, folks.

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I'm digressing here.

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Sure.

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What is wrong with you?

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I fucking love the idea that he's like these unwashed masses who are so into pro wrestling

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and fucking monster trucks.

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I went to a monster truck rally once a boy, I loved it.

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I want to see someone die in a truck.

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I don't understand.

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I couldn't handle that.

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I can't hang with that.

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I love it.

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That is a joke that somebody would write.

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There's so little awareness, though, of the element of it.

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If he was aware, he would do that sort of thing a lot more because that's legit funny.

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Yeah.

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That's hilarious.

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That's like something that you would expect in a Colbert type character, like you're complaining

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that he's dumb-dumbs like monster trucks and then getting into a 30-minute die drive.

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I love monster trucks.

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I'm going to tell you all about how much I love monster trucks.

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I went to one, but I want to go to a bigger one.

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You know what?

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People don't think they're real, except for guess what?

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Monster trucks are real, unlike professional wrestling, which I also love.

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I went to a professional wrestling match the other day.

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They did a couple of flips.

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They didn't used to do that.

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They used to just slap each other on the chest all the time.

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What was that shit?

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Anyways, Rey Mysterio Jr. is a great wrestler.

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I want to see him die in a monster truck.

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I think you would ask for Rey Mysterio's papers, probably.

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Fair.

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He's taken a spot from some other wrestler, a patriot.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Jack Swagger.

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Right.

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In this next clip, Alex is pretty clear about his position, or has been up to this point.

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I think he's going to change a little in the future.

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This is a theory of mine.

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At least his angle is going to change.

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I'm not sure if he's going to say it's a false flag or not, but at this point, Alex is very

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clear that he believes Christopher Dorner and this whole situation is real.

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It turns out that his audience doesn't like that.

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In fact, I'm getting criticism that, A, this is a staged government event, and I should

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just out of hand say it's staged, and B, no, Chris Dorner is a hero.

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Yeah, I mean, if he's behind this, which a lot of evidence points towards it, then yeah,

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killing people that you don't even know or shooting people's daughters just to get at

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them, oh, that's real classy.

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That's real classy.

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Very classy.

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That's his issue?

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I don't know.

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It's not classy?

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I choose not to engage with that so much.

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I'm really mostly interested in the idea that Alex is kind of... And you can feel it.

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It doesn't come up super regularly, but you can feel a sense of Alex being bummed out

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that he's out of step with his audience, and to a certain extent, I can respect that because

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a lesser person would probably hear the audience be like, hey, why don't you say it's a false

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flag?

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And they're like, you know what, guys?

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It is.

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Yeah.

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And at least he's sticking to his guns to a certain extent.

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I don't know what that means.

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For a time.

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For a time.

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Yes.

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Because I do think it's going to change.

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Yeah, well, he stuck to his guns on Sandy Hook on the day when his callers first called

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in.

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A couple days later, too.

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They were like, hey.

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And he was like, no, we cannot talk about this horrible...

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That was a couple weeks after.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So we know that Alex is a learned scholar.

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We know that he has read white papers.

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He has got race memory.

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He has a lot of books.

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No, he can't... No, that's not one of the four ways to learn.

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No, that's true, but he's read them.

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He's got a lot of books.

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He has Ecoscience by John P. Holdren on the bookshelf.

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He's got the Rockefeller Foundation stuff.

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He's also a psychic.

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Yet, whenever he talks in specifics about things, it never seems to be from any of those

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sources.

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It's in the white papers.

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It's in the WikiLeaks.

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Never really points to any specifics about things.

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There's broad gesticulations towards a, it's over there.

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When he talks about other things, he's a little bit more specific.

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But I'll be honest with you.

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I would not be fighting as hard if we just had an old-fashioned corruption where some

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corrupt interests wanted to run things but weren't so incredibly predatory.

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They are engaging in an organized economy designed to impoverish us, and that's not

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even a tool of their end game.

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That's just to get us to the end game.

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They want us poor under their control so they can then carry out the orderly eugenics operations.

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If you want to know the mindset of the globalist, I've watched 12 Monkeys with Brad Pitt and

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Bruce Willis last night with my wife.

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And when you see the top biologist slash biochemist in there working on zoological viruses, and

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one of his lab techs, who is a eugenicist, gets the weapon and goes and basically releases

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it and kills 99% of the world population.

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You have to understand, movies like that are based on what they're really planning.

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It's always a movie.

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It's always a movie.

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It's always a movie.

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God damn it.

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Yep.

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Or some science fiction book.

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Always.

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If you want to know how the globalists work, I was watching 12 Monkeys.

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Yeah, he's just a nerd.

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You gotta go, Alex.

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Come on, man.

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You gotta go.

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You were watching 12 Monkeys.

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You dumbed down.

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Predictive programming.

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So in this next clip, Alex talks about the Rothschilds, who are still quite big villains

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to him at this point, and he has an interesting source of information for his beliefs about

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the Rothschilds that I've never heard him bring up before.

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That Forbes list is nothing, ladies and gentlemen.

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There are families leveraging, it's been estimated, the Russian press estimated when they arrested

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a bunch of oligarchs, the Rothschilds have leveraged, this is a decade ago, 300 trillion

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dollars.

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300 trillion.

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300 trillion, and they don't spin that, they use it as a political weapon.

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Of course.

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So it's really interesting to hear that Alex is citing the Russian media as a source for

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his claims that the Rothschild family has over 300 trillion dollars leveraged.

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Three hundred trillion dollars is like the amount of money a six year old now would say

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is a lot of money.

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Or a villain in like a farce.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The first thing that I have a problem with about this is the imprecision of the claim.

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What does the Rothschild family even mean?

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Like their dynasty traces back to Mayer Amschel Rothschild, but he was alive in the late 1700s.

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He fucking died over 200 years ago.

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Mayer Rothschild had 10 children, and even just in one generation, the family already

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is getting pretty spread thin.

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Pretty spread out.

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You got 10 kids.

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The folks who are alive today, and by that I mean the ones who were born in like the

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1940s, they're in the sixth or seventh generation of the family traced back from Mayer Amschel.

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So during that time, wealth and the dynasty thinned out, just a little bit maybe.

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Not to say that a lot of the members of the family aren't real rich and in positions of

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high status in society, but it's important to point out that one thing conspiracy theorists

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never really discuss is how many Rothschilds there are, and how it's a real stupid way

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to look at the world to imagine that they're all working together, or it's some sort of

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a bloodline-based global domination conspiracy, and yet none of them have come out and talked

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about it.

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None of them are, you know, it's all bullshit.

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Well have you, did you not know that Genghis Khan is still running things?

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Do you know how many kids he has?

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The Khans are everywhere.

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Well see, that works in that case.

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It doesn't work in this case.

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There's lots of descendants, are there?

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Fair enough.

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David Mayer de Rothschild is the one family member Alex has ever had on his show, and

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we did an episode about it.

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David tried really hard to be polite to Alex, but Alex kept being a complete asshole to

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him for no reason.

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Consider this.

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David's great-grandfather was Leopold de Rothschild, whose great-grandfather himself, his own great,

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his great-grandfather's great-grandfather was Mayer Amschel Rothschild.

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Whatever animus Alex has towards David based on lies about what his family did six or seven

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generations back really only makes sense when you view it in the context of thinking that

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Alex believes that there's something evil in their blood, and that all members of the

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family are intrinsically up to something.

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Generally speaking, it's really hard to hear blanket condemnations of, quote, the Rothschilds

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as anything other than poorly disguised antisemitism.

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Part of this is naturally because, throughout history, a lot of the people who attacked

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the Rothschilds weren't so interested in making their real intentions mysterious.

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A 1909 pamphlet that circulated about the evils of the Rothschild family included the

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proclamation, quote, Jews, the real enemy, exclamation point.

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It's only after, I don't know, let's say 1945, that people in most polite society felt the

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need to make it seem like their attacks on the Rothschilds weren't totally due to the

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fact that they're rich and Jewish.

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Yeah, if we're gonna still hate Jews, you know, I mean, yeah, Holocaust happened.

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Didn't really happen.

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But if we're gonna still hate Jews, we better bring it underground.

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Gotta find a way to code this a little bit.

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And when you consider the Russia part of it, Russia and the Rothschild family have a really

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complicated history, dating back to the pogroms of the early 1900s and the Rothschilds' refusal

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to issue loans to a czar who was sanctioning and facilitating anti-Jewish riots.

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They were asking for $300 trillion there, so that's tough to give a loan on that.

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Well, I don't think that the modern state of Russia really hates the Rothschilds or

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anything like that.

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I do believe that there's a lineage of anti-Rothschild sentiment in some parts of Russian culture

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that still lingers.

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And I believe that Alex might be taking his cues from that point part as opposed to real

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history or real commentary.

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That's my guess.

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Yeah.

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And I also don't know if Alex is, like, you know, like, I think that what you're expressing

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is antisemitism when you make these blanket declarations about the Rothschilds.

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But I don't know if that's what's motivating Alex.

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I could easily just see it being like, this is what conspiracy theorists do.

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I could see it just being a function of his laziness more than, like, overt antisemitism.

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It's interesting because what's beneath it is definitely antisemitism.

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But that doesn't always mean that that's why you're wielding it.

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It's very interesting to me.

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It's a strange variety of benefit of doubt.

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I mean, yeah, it is the same tactic that has been at the heart of most genocides.

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So everybody kind of knows that if it's effective enough to get you to mass murder people for

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no reason other than whatever characteristic that you want to describe as different, then

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it doesn't even matter what you hate.

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It's the mere fact that you're doing it expresses antisemitism and racism and bigotry and misogyny

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and the whole thing.

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That's what that tactic's for.

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Right.

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But I still think that there's a decent chance that Alex is just stupid.

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Yes.

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And you know, one of the reasons is, you know what they say about people is, you know, you

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know a man by the company he keeps, you hang out with racists, there's a pretty good chance

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whether or not you know it, you're probably racist.

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Yeah.

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You hang out with shitheads, you're probably not as smart as you think you are.

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But Alex won't stop talking about a very specific thing that multiple people he knows have done.

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Do you know what I'm talking about?

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No.

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You're, we've heard him talk about this before.

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I can't believe how frequently he brings this up.

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I mean, literally they want you dead.

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They're eugenicists.

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We've got a black guy, part black up there, so he must be nice.

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I mean, it is, but again, it's all about surface.

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It's all about camouflage.

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You understand that they use military systems on you and you don't want to admit you've

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been conned.

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I've had people I knew personally go, you're wrong.

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I'm getting a million dollars from Prince Wabubi in Nigeria.

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And I go, listen, that's been out for a decade.

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That is a fake thing.

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Don't send them $5,000 for him to wire you a million.

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And they go, my ship has come in.

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You're wrong.

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And you know what?

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People are mad at me, it's happened to people I know, one talk show host and one other.

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They're mad at me later and don't ever want to talk to me again when I'm proving right.

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Listen, there is no Prince Wabubi.

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Okay.

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Obama doesn't care about you either.

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It's like a Nigerian chain letter, folks.

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It isn't real.

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He talks so much about his friends being hit with that Nigerian scam email.

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It's gotta be him, right?

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It's gotta be him.

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Yeah.

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One of them's a talk show host, come on.

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Jesus Christ.

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Either that or Glenn Beck is even dumber than we thought.

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Asking for a friend.

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I don't know, it makes sense, you know, the tracks, like I'm mad at myself for falling

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for that.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I didn't listen to my better judgment.

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He's all the characters in this story.

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Yeah, I just think it's funny.

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I've made it also something I'm going to do along with from now on finding every Bible

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Dan, every single time Alex brings up the Nigerian emails, have to play them.

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And you know what?

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That talk show host, he thought it was just a mistake the first time, so he sent him another

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$5,000 and it turns out he lost that too.

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Turns out this talk show host was very trusting.

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He loves monster trucks.

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He has a good heart.

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Even though they're fake.

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So that's it for the 11th.

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Most of the show is just tons of Alex rambling nonsensically about the globalists and their

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plans just sort of freestyle riffing.

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So now we move on to the 12th.

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So in this next clip, Alex is just trying to make the argument here that Ron Paul isn't

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a hypocrite, but in the process, what he does is literally define being a hypocrite.

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Of course, of course.

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They say, oh, Ron Paul votes against earmarks, but then takes them.

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Well, yeah, if the money, he votes against the federal money and doing it and votes to

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cut taxes, but then once the money's already there, then he has it deployed to his district

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and they call it a hypocritical.

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That's not a critical.

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It is.

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No, that's, that's hypocritical.

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Yeah.

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It's a, it's money.

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I don't get how that's an argument in any way.

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He's philosophically opposed to taking this money.

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He is an unsuccessful in stopping that being the way things are run, right?

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Money is there.

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You're gonna take it.

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Yeah.

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What are you, what are you going to stand up against an oppressive system?

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Like some kind of idiot?

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I mean, I would say that people with principles take consequences to stand up.

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Stupid.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I would, I would say that what that indicates to me is Ron Paul is a big lip service guy.

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It seems like maybe someone who likes to talk shit.

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No, no, no.

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I believe him.

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100%.

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Speaking of people who like to talk shit, uh, here's Alex telling a story about high

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school days that, uh, he said, he said a lot of things about his time in high school that

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like I don't believe this is one that I actually think can't be true.

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I bled look, I was a student aid my last year in high school, I think it was two periods

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a day cause I'd finished all my other work and all I watched was the school nurse put

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people on and fat.

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That's the break there.

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It got off before the thought could really fully be formed.

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All he did was watch his school nurse school nurse give people methamphetamines.

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I don't believe this story.

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Here's why.

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Why?

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In most schools, the school nurse is not someone who has the ability to prescribe medications

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to people, even if their educational level and licensing might legally allow them to

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do that.

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What if they were cool though?

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That just isn't how school health services are set up further.

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The national association of school nurses is very clear in their guidelines that they

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don't even, uh, administer prescription medication that a student is on without a quote written

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medication form signed by the authorized prescriber and parent with the name of the student, the

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drug, the dose, approximate time it's to be taken and the diagnosis or reason the medication

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is needed.

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It's paperwork that needs to go into just administering crystal meth 2 p.m. every day.

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Why?

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Because we're fucking dope.

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Cause we're moving on.

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Cause we like to sign that sheet.

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School nurses don't have amphetamines sitting around their offices to give kids.

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That's just like, I saw Breaking Bad.

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This is just way outside the budget for pretty much all but the richest schools imaginable.

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Seriously.

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Think for one second about what Alex is describing and you just see like, Oh, that's stupid.

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Most school nurses are required to keep epinephrine, albuterol, diazepam, and glucagon on hand

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because those are emergency medications that could literally be needed to save a kid's

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life.

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But beyond that, it's pretty much just aspirin.

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I mean, maybe with saltwater, maybe that was where like she kept people.

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They asked people to keep their adderall in there so they can, when they needed it, they

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like they weren't just walking around with amphetamines around them all the time.

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Yeah.

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That's my theory.

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Yeah.

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If Alex is talking about anything that's real at all, what he's describing is that he saw

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the school nurse dispensing medication that these students' primary care physicians had

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prescribed for them.

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And he's created an nefarious backstory to fit that into his stupid worldview.

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Yeah.

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That's the only thing that makes sense.

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Because if Alex was right, he's witnessing a crime that would have made national headlines.

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Somehow this nurse has got access to tons of speed and she's just getting kids hooked

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on it, presumably for no reason and without parental consent.

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Like that's crazy.

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Well, yeah.

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But I mean, what is she going to do?

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Give them barbiturates?

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Come on.

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You go with the uppers.

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I'd prefer that.

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They're kids.

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Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum.

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If I had to guess why Alex might sort of change these memories into something more salacious,

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like look at what...

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If he as an adult believes that to be a real memory, why he experienced that as a child,

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it's because ADHD was named as a condition in 1987.

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And along with that, an increased understanding of the condition was coming into consciousness.

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But because of that treatment of it with Ritalin became way more prevalent in the early 90s,

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right around the time Alex would have been in high school.

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We already know that his dad and grandfather were both completely insane paranoiacs when

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Alex was growing up.

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So it kind of makes sense that some of that insanity would be funneled in this, they're

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given all the kids medication direction.

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And Alex sees the school nurse handing out prescribed meds and he writes a book about

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it.

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And you can probably see him going home and telling his dad about the meds and his dad

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goes off on this whole like, hey man, I am a dentist.

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I know what those meds are and they say they're giving them one thing, but they're actually

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giving them another.

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Absolutely, I believe that.

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And Alex's life is born.

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Yeah.

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So also on this February 12th show, Alex has an interview with David Icke that goes on

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for fucking ever.

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It's because that Alex has decided that he wants to talk about the universe being a simulation

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quite a bit.

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Back in 2013.

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That's fun.

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And you know, when you do that, when you want to talk about those subjects, you want to

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get like real science heavyweights on to talk about it.

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First person you call is David fucking Icke.

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And you know what, I'm sure some people are going to be listening to this and they're

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going to be like, wait, David Icke was on and you don't have any clips of it?

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And like, they'll probably think that that's somehow an injustice.

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And I say to them, it is not.

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It is a very bad, very bad interview.

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Yeah we're good without, we got more than enough science weirdos.

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Pretty boring.

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I think we got way more out there and more fun.

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It's really boring stuff.

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But it's also worth pointing out that a month before this appearance, David Icke posted

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an article on his own website with the headline, quote, Sandy Hook was a blatantly staged event

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with endless inconsistencies and countless contradictions.

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Sure.

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So, chalk him up on that team.

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Gotcha.

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Gotcha.

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In this episode here on the 12th, Alex is really bent out of shape about the idea that

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Chris Kyle, the American sniper, he has been killed and Alex thinks it's a conspiracy of

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some sort.

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Sure.

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But he still hasn't really explained what he thinks happened at all.

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Okay.

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It's very difficult to track.

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But now he thinks there's another conspiracy because they're having the funeral for Chris

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Kyle in Austin that day and the highway is closed down because of the procession.

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And Alex is furious about it.

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Right.

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I don't know why.

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I don't know why.

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I don't know why.

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I can't tell you.

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Because he's working.

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I can't.

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He couldn't go.

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No, he wouldn't have gone.

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He doesn't like that guy.

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Oh, he doesn't like that guy?

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He respects him on some level because he's associated with guns, but he doesn't like

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him because he thinks that he did Jesse Ventura dirty.

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Right, right, right, right.

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That's right.

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Now I remember the whole Jesse Ventura American sniper off.

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Yeah.

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Chris Kyle had claimed that Jesse Ventura was drunk and running his mouth off at a bar

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about the Marines and then Chris Kyle beat him up and then Jesse Ventura sued him.

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And then Chris Kyle died.

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Alex sort of believes that the globalists killed Chris Kyle because they had set him

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up to take down Jesse Ventura.

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And he wasn't doing it.

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Right.

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Well, no.

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Chris Kyle was about to spill the beans about who had told him to target Ventura.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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But Alex has been so nonspecific about that that I can't even like, I can't 100% tell

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you that that's what he's saying.

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Right.

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It just seems like that's what Alex thinks.

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Okay.

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It's very, it's very nonsensical.

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All right.

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Somehow I feel like what Alex seems to be saying is probably more accurate than what

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he is actually saying.

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At times, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I think that more importantly, because it's something concrete and real, Alex's anger

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about this funeral procession is ludicrous.

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Deep and meaningful.

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He keeps trying to come up with other people who should have funeral process and each one

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of them I'm like, okay, why not?

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Like all of them are like, all right, let's do that then.

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Why not?

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Why don't we do, what are we going to give David Bowie a funeral procession?

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Sure.

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Oh, what about, uh, oh, wait, no, you already said yes to that one.

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Sure.

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Okay.

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I also, I also am certain that if any of these things that Alex was suggesting, like, why

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don't we give, uh, all the soldiers, other soldiers funeral processions, I'm positive.

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If any of that ever actually happened, Alex would be like, why is the high 35 shut down?

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He'd be pissed off no matter what, no matter what, but as he's complaining about that in

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this next clip, which is the last one we have from the 12th, I think Alex tips his hand

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about something that is another one of these revelations about him that I wish that I'd

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had a year ago, because I think it explains a lot.

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Are we going to have a funeral procession for the kids that have heart attacks on Adderall

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and Ritalin and stuff, which they do?

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No.

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You see government and the media decides when something's important.

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They decide when something needs to be seen.

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They decide, they decide, and it's about the control of reality.

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I think that Alex, one of the things that motivates him greatly is that he wants to

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decide what's important.

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He wants to create reality.

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And he feels like his reality is out of step with reality.

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And sure, you know, the media doesn't do the best job all the time of presenting stories

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as they should be presented, but they certainly do a fucking better job than Alex.

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And because his stories are so stilted, they're so factually inaccurate, they're so manipulative

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in headline and body and lead and sub-lead.

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Everything.

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Everything.

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Everything.

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Because there's so much manipulation involved, no one gives him the time of day in any respectable

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press or the people who read the circles, let's call it.

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Book clubs.

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Yeah.

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And he resents that.

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I think there is a real chip in his shoulder you can hear there.

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I don't know if I necessarily fully understood how much that really probably is a primary

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driver for him.

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I know that I've heard him talk about like, we control the narrative now.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, I get that level and I've always got that.

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But that always felt more to me like I'm going to be the primary pusher of a news story as

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opposed to like, I am going to decide what's important.

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I know that it's a fine distinction, but I don't know.

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I think that another piece of it too is that Alex is pretending that he's doing this for

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the people.

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Right.

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That somehow the media, it decides what's important, but he has the strength and backing

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of all the people.

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What he thinks is important is what the people really think is important.

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And that is a weird sort of delusion.

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Yeah.

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I see him in this place of, I don't know how much of what he believes or how much of what

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he says he believes he believes.

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No shit.

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But I know he believes enough of it to have to feel disoriented almost all the time because

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it's not real.

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Right.

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Because in that situation, you can either adjust your sense of reality to what is real

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or you can feel every day like you're losing your mind a little bit.

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Like every day for him is the feeling of being gaslit all the time.

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So I imagine him saying like the media controls the story or the media is the story or whatever.

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Is it his way of kind of like wiggling out through that gaslighting, trying to create

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a sanity there?

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Rationalize it a little.

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Yeah.

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To create a sanity there.

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Because the only other way that you can feel gaslit all day, every day is to just fucking,

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I guess, succumb, quit, you know?

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Yeah.

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I think that's an interesting, yeah.

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I think that's probably a good way to put it.

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So we move on to the 13th now and Chris Dorner has died.

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And what ended up happening was there was a standoff in the woods.

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Yeah.

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It was in a shack and, you know, went down.

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What ended up happening was the police shot in some canisters, some gas canisters to try

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and smoke him out and it did not work.

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They went to use pyrotechnic gas can canisters that are called burners and one of them set

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one of the exterior walls on fire.

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The place ended up going up in flames before any fire control people could get there.

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And Dorner ended up shooting himself inside the building.

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Yeah.

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Alex, I believe, is starting to turn the corner on Chris Dorner because of the nature of what

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happened and how he's choosing to experience it, which you'll see very clearly in this

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first clip from February 13th.

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Well, Christopher Dorner went out Waco style and I know the establishment is not happy

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because there wasn't 28 children, 17 of them under the age of 10, many of them newborn

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babies or toddlers.

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Alex cannot talk about the news without tying it to Waco.

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Here's another example of it.

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And obviously I am pretty freaked out right now by the fact that they did another Waco

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style event and they didn't know if he had hostages in there.

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I mean, if they would have had 17 little children under the age of 10, would they have barbecued

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him and then said that said that Dorner said it?

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So all he can do is experience this through the prism of this deeply traumatic event from

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his own past.

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Like, not that he was at Waco, but it was it so traumatized him and was such a big part

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of his early career that everything is seen through the prism of this man, a criminal

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in woods, police around it, fire involved must be Waco.

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Yeah.

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And it seemed like that also makes him like the guy.

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I think it softens it.

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I think it does.

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Like I was listening to that thinking if Obama died in a similar Waco situation, would Alex

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be like, well, you know what, actually he was probably just being controlled by the

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deep state all along and he was trying to work against it and that's why they killed

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him.

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I think there's a bridge too far and that is it.

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It is very interesting, though, because I don't think that there is a foal coming around

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on him, but Waco and the Branch Davidians and David Koresh are ultimate victims to Alex.

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They are people who just loved guns, you know, they were good, good folk, good Christians

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and the government couldn't handle it.

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They were self-sufficient, wanted to live in a commune, they came in, they killed him.

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His characterization of them is such code for government murder, government oppression.

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Like, I can't stress enough, there's never a negative word about Koresh and the Branch

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Davidians.

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There's never any negative connotation in Alex's coverage of it, only making excuses

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for why the government did wrong, all that kind of shit.

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So when Alex talks about Waco repeatedly in terms of this, it's not just a situation where

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he's saying there was a fire.

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That is not what he's doing.

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He is attaching those images in his listener's head.

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If you've listened to Alex for a long period of time, that will trigger in you a sense

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of like, oh, man, Janet Reno really fucked those good people over.

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He said Waco, that means the cops killed the guy and it was murder and he was probably

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buh and all that stuff.

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Repeatedly says that it's like Waco.

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I mean, here he goes again.

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The infantry tactic of using the armored vehicle to ram it on the walls and set it on fire

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just reminds me of Waco, makes me so angry.

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It's one thing to kill this guy.

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You can debate that all day, but man, I tell you, those little kids and how the system

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lied about that really despicable and shows you what the system will do have ordered.

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So I mean, it's evocative.

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Yeah.

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It's like, hey, you can debate this guy, but I want you to remember that feeling that I'm

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also attaching to this news story.

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It's pretty insane.

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It's an irresponsible thing to do, especially considering like the comparisons are not apt.

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Like they didn't tear down a wall in the Dorner situation.

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They didn't set it on fire on purpose.

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Like all the details are nonsensical.

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Alex doesn't know what happened and he admits as much in this next clip.

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Whether it was the flammable type of tear gas rounds that are somewhat good at starting

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fires.

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I mean, you listen to it, we don't know what happened.

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I mean, it almost sounds like they have flamethrowers.

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I know a lot of the military terminology, at least when I read about World War II was

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they would call flamethrowers burners and they would go in and flamethrow people hiding

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in holes.

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They'd go, bring in burners.

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That's not what it means in this case.

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It means those gas canisters, the pyrotechnic ones, because they had a potential for being

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able to set fires.

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If you want to discuss whether or not that was irresponsible, absolutely.

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Let's have a conversation about that.

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I don't know.

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I don't have a position on it because I don't need to.

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Yeah.

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If forced.

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It's a luxury.

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If forced, I'll think about it some more.

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Also, you could ask the question of, like, there were recordings of, like, some police

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saying burn it down.

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To the extent to, was that before there was a fire, accidentally started, you know?

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Or did their yelling, burn it down, have any actual impact in the fire that was started?

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That's another important question to ask.

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None of that is being considered by Alex because he is triggered by his memories and feelings

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about Waco.

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It's overriding his ability to think critically.

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It's overriding his ability to assess the situation as it is.

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It's overriding his ability to even make a conspiracy out of it, quite frankly.

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All he can do is harken back to Waco, talk about that, and just try and move along.

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I wish I had the ability to just out of nowhere say, it almost sounds like they had flame

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flowers, like, wait, what?

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What almost sounds like that?

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What did you read?

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What did you hear that almost sounds like they had flame flowers?

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Well, he was watching 12 Monkeys.

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See, this is an issue.

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I mean, it's an irresponsible level of conjecture.

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You could look into it, call somebody for comment, check in.

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What was meant by burners?

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When you said burners on that tape, what does that mean?

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You would find that that's colloquial slang for these type of gas canisters.

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So that's one way to approach it.

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Or you could get on air and just be like, kind of fucking seems like they have flamethrowers,

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which is irresponsible.

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And it's scary to think, why would the LAPD have flamethrowers?

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I'd be fine if they had one, if they just never used it.

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Never used it.

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But it was like, in glass, in case of emergency break glass?

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Just in case.

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It's like the epinephrine at a school nurse office.

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You need it in certain situations.

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What if an ice monster comes?

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Right next to the fire extinguisher is the flamethrower, just to keep fire and ice right

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next to it.

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There must always be a balance.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So Alex starts talking at this point about how Obama and his administration are a bunch

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of mafia.

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And then he makes his only real comment about Sandy Hook in this episode, or this stretch

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of episodes, which again, since we're trying to understand that path, is deeply disappointing

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that it's just like he keeps getting distracted by other major world events.

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And then also Piers Morgan.

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It's kind of a little disappointing.

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But here we go.

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This is a mafia.

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I don't care if they land in Air Force One helicopters, I don't care if they're wearing

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fancy suits and green ribbons for Sandy Hook for what they probably did.

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You know, the issue is we're in trouble.

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So Obama probably did.

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Yeah, that does sound right.

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So at least we have, I mean, the one thing that is a through line that we can say absolutely

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is that Alex does not believe that Adam Lanza shot those kids.

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Right.

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That has been consistent from the day of the shooting till now.

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Here we are in the second week of February.

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He has dabbled with and flirted with the idea that no one died, but has generally pushed

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back against that.

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Also was happy to platform that professor.

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Right.

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So it's weird.

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There is this, there's a tension of definite, it's a false flag, Obama and his people did

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it, and a push and pull, a light push and pull with it was all actors, it was fake.

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Right.

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So at this point, Alex starts taking some calls and he gets one call from a lady who

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was interacting on Facebook with Gerald Cilenti.

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They're commenting back and forth, and she says something fucking stupid that, you know,

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I think I would probably hear in 2013 and be like, yeah, that's a good point.

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Good on you.

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But now in 2019, we know this is stupid.

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And then last night, a bunch of us were watching, you know, the president and of course Gerald

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Cilenti, my other hero next to you was tweeting back and forth with some of us on Facebook

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and things, and all I kept thinking is if before Hitler could have gotten his hands

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on anybody, if we would have had the system we have now to get information out, it probably

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wouldn't have happened, but I'm afraid if Obama gets the internet control, we will lose

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this battle very quickly.

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I absolutely agree with you.

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Obama's there as the puppet.

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So I mean like, oh boy, that sucks.

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In 2013, I probably could have signed off on like, yeah, Hitler never could have rose

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to power with social media.

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Yeah.

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Turns out it's actually easier.

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Probably would have been way easier.

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It would have been so much faster.

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Hitler is in his grave right now going like, oh, why didn't I wait?

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Could have been an older man.

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Yep.

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Oh, Jesus.

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So in this next clip, Alex just ties Waco and Dorner together even more closely.

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This is confirmed where they bring in the armored vehicle, knock down the walls, and

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then say, okay, we got the fire, we're going to bring the fire in, okay, shut the burners.

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They're ignited.

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The place is on fire.

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I mean, they Wacoed it.

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Now, I'm glad there weren't 17 little children in there.

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He's turned it into a verb now.

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They Wacoed it.

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They Wacoed it.

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I mean, it's constant throughout the show.

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It's just anytime he's talking about this, he's saying it's confirmed, they brought in

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these armored vehicles to take down the wall, and that's not in the official record at all.

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It's not confirmed.

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He cannot experience this in any other way than as another Waco.

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That's fucked up because it doesn't work.

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So he gets a call, and this dude wants to try and spread a conspiracy about, like, hey,

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they found his ID.

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How could they do that if the building burned up?

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With Dorner, I thought it strange.

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They now said, you know, there's always weird things every time something like this happens.

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It never adds up.

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It connects right.

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They said that they found his driver's license near his body.

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Now, first off, how could a driver's license survive that inferno?

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I don't know.

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Why don't you read up on it?

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Turns out it's because it was under his body.

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So that's how it survived.

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It didn't burn up because it was under a body.

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That's the sort of thing that's like, yeah, absolutely.

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It's very easy for you to not be a super critical or looking into things kind of person and

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be like, yeah, how would his ID survive a fire?

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That makes no sense.

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But the explanation is fucking simple.

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There are so many possibilities that you don't know about in terms of, uh-oh, other places

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that the ID could have been in a shack or whatever that might have survived a fire.

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There are plenty of possibilities, the simplest of which turned out to be what's in the report

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is that he was on top of his ID.

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So it shielded it from the fire, which made them able to find it.

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And that's what makes propaganda so fucking insidious is because what you would want to

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say is like, why did this do that?

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And you'd be like, well, seriously, look it up.

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You can find that information, but do you know what else you can find?

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Completely contradictory information that YouTube's algorithm is pushing to your face,

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you know, like that kind of thing.

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Or even like take away the information part of it, you can find contradictory speculation.

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Yeah.

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Fair enough.

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That's the answer we're asking that's contradictory in its presentation.

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Yeah, totally.

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And also it's, you know, the thing that's most unsatisfying about this is this is February

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13th, right?

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Right.

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And so like if I were talking to this caller at that point, all I could say is, I don't

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know, why don't we wait to hear some answers?

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Right.

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I don't know.

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Why don't we find out?

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Because the report wouldn't have been out by then.

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But the answer is very simple.

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You just don't know it now.

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So it's again, it comes back to the concrete.

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If you wait until it dries, the idea that they found his ID will not be suspicious because

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everyone will know that it was because it was under his body.

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If while the concrete is wet, you inject the idea that it's suspicious that his ID is there,

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it will not be affected by the time that information gets out.

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Because by that point, people will have internalized it and used it to build the conspiracy up

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higher.

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Yeah, it would be built upon by that point.

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And by that point, it's too threatening to accept this contradictory piece of information

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because then your whole fucking tower falls over.

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Yeah.

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Or at least it's at risk of falling over.

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So this is why these sorts of things are, it's very important to wait for information.

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So.

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Yeah, that was a very apt metaphor.

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Thanks.

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I appreciated that.

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So now sometimes it doesn't help to wait for information because in this next clip, Alex

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probably says one of the craziest things I've ever heard him say.

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And I know I say that a lot, but this one might rank up there.

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But before he does, he clarifies that he does still pretty much think that this is not a

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false flag.

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Sure.

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And that Dorner is still the shooter.

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But like I said, what he says immediately afterwards is batshit crazy.

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The system almost always lies, even when the truth would serve them.

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I just don't see why they'd stage this when it's a PR disaster.

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But who knows?

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They burned up whoever it is in that house.

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It's like John Wilkes Booth got burned up in the barn.

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The guy that supposedly shot Lincoln.

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What?

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What?

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What?

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Is he a Lincoln truther?

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Is that a thing?

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I have not heard him bring that up before.

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Is that a thing?

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I think he might be a Lincoln truther.

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Are there Booth deniers out there?

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Of course there are.

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Why wouldn't there be?

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I mean, that's pretty, that's pretty, that's a big swing.

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That is, I like it.

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I admire the fuck out of him.

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Yeah, I really do too.

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There's a part of me that is just like, yes, man, if you're going to say anything's a false

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flag, let's go all the way back to the beginning.

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Hell yeah.

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Who the fuck really killed Abel, Dan?

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Who killed him?

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Huh?

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You a cane truther?

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I'm a cane truther.

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Abel killed himself with his poor diet.

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That could be.

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We got to get a veterinarian on the case.

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Fix that shit up.

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I'm glad you brought that up.

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I'm glad you brought up Dr. Wallach.

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Yes, you're welcome.

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He's not on the show, but Alex does right after all this stuff, after comparing the

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Dorner situation to Waco over and over again, mischaracterizing the events of Dorner's death,

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taking a bunch of idiot callers who say profoundly stupid things.

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Alex then has one of his sponsors on as a guest and he's very clear to point out in

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his introduction, yeah, he's a sponsor, which I appreciate him calling that out, but then

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he's like, but that's not why he's on, which is complete bullshit.

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Now ladies and gentlemen, I wanted to get him on last week, but he was too busy to join

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us.

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We're thankful that he's here with us today.

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He does happen to be a sponsor, but that's not why he's on the air with us.

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Steve Schenk of the J. Michael Stevens group, efoodsdirect.com.

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So he's got Steve Schenk, the food guy on, and here is how Steve Schenk uses Christopher

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Dorner and this entire situation to sell emergency food.

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If every one of them had a year's supply of food for their family in their homes, they

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could stay in their homes and the only ones that would be rioting out there are the ones

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that are dependent and have to go and say, please, somebody else take care of me.

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The victims are the only ones that are out there having problems.

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You know, one of the principles that you and I have talked about several times is if you're

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prepared, you can turn a disaster into an adventure.

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Now I'm not saying that this thing with Dorner out there is a potential adventure, good,

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but the mob psychology, the fear and the anxiety and the running hither and yon just decided

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to do something shows lack of planning, lack of preparedness.

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So I'm glad he's not saying this is a potential adventure.

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That's crazy.

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Is he is he saying that Dorner could have killed more people if he had?

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No, no, no, no.

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He's saying that, hey, you know, you got a crazy on the loose and it's scary to go out.

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But you know what?

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You wouldn't have to worry if you had food in the home, got you had emergency food in

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the right.

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You wouldn't have to worry about rampaging crazies out there shooting people because

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you don't have to leave the house.

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That's insane levels of exploitation and manipulation.

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And I really wish I lived in a timeline where we never did this show.

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And I would be like, oh, my God, that's the worst fucking thing.

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You can't do that.

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You're exploiting people's fear.

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And now I'm just like, well, yeah, of course you would.

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Yeah.

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He's trying to sell buckets of food.

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Yeah.

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Your beggars can't be choosy.

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Three years ago, you would have been like, what the fuck?

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Yes, exactly.

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That's crazy.

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That is insane.

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That deserves a whole fucking article.

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Right.

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Right.

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And you're like, whatever.

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Moving on.

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Jim Baker said that God is going to smite you if you don't buy a box of bags of food.

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So whatever.

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This dude's fine.

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So in this next clip, Alex is talking about how he heard on police radios maybe or on

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one of these recordings they have the police mentioning gas and they're talking about gas

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canisters.

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Yeah.

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100 percent.

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Very obviously.

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Flamethrowers.

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Alex thinks they're calling for gasoline.

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There's now four clips, actually, different clips of official scanners and news with police

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saying we're going to burn that house down, get the gas.

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And people are spinning it on CNN, going they meant tear gas, just like Waco.

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Right.

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Where they set the fires and said tear gas did it.

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I mean.

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So, yeah, they're lugging gas cans up there for the explicit purpose of burning this house

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down.

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Give me a break.

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Yeah.

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And again, you see there, he can't talk about this without talking about Waco.

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You just can't.

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It's it's a one to one association for him, which he would not do unless he wanted to

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somehow pivot the story.

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Right.

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I don't know how much I actually know.

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I do very strongly suspect that it's intentional because it's so consistent throughout this

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episode.

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But it is so insanely consistent.

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I know that he's still saying it's a real thing, and I don't know how he's going to

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change that, but I know that he is he's indicating to me that the story is about to change, that

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this is this is going to be a police state story.

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Yeah.

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Oh, he's going to own the narrative in a way that he didn't seem all that interested in

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doing up until pretty recently at this point.

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He needed a shack and a fire and then he is free to it's like it fits now.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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This is something I can work with.

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Whereas before is like he's a fucking dumb Obama guy.

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The media loves him, but now this is a shack and a fire.

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So I got it.

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I got shit to say.

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Yeah.

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So we started this episode on the 10th of February with Alex talking about how if one

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percent of us gone weirdos decide to start killing cops, you'll all be dead.

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And this is how he ends the show on February 13th.

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And I'm the biggest friend of the police ever, because I don't want to see a bunch of you

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dead.

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I mean, if you guys are hiding out because of Dorner, you start the gun confiscation.

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I mean, it's I've done the math on it.

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I know history.

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I've studied it.

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The cops will stand down what's going to happen.

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But if the cops tried to engage the American people, every cop in America would be killed

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basically very quickly, very quickly, very quickly.

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I mean, because there's again, one percent stands up of gun owners.

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That's one point six million combatants.

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Now, you do the math, you do the math.

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So that seems to also be deeply in his where he lives in terms of the story.

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Does he have any friendships that aren't based around mob like extortion tactics?

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Rappaport?

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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Rappaport's been hypnotized.

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Listen.

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Listen.

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Rappaport.

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Rappaport.

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If you hang that picture up.

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Look, nobody's a better friend to you than I am.

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If you hang that and I don't want to see anything bad happen to you.

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But if you hang that picture up, one point six million gun owners are going to kill you.

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Yeah.

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And that is something I don't want to see happen.

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I don't.

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So what you should do is whatever the fuck I tell you.

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I don't understand how Alex imagines that all one point six million of these gun owners

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will somehow coordinate which cop they're going to kill.

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You know, like they've got a plan, like it's going to go smoothly because everyone's got

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an assigned cop.

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They've got a discord.

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Come on, man.

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I would guarantee that should anything like this happen, they would kill more of each

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other than one hundred percent.

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But be that as it may, like this sort of preoccupation is just so deeply fucked up and so unhealthy.

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Yeah.

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Some idea of like if you if you take any steps towards this this political decision that

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I am against, we'll all kill yours will be wiped.

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Every cop on this fucking country will be killed.

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And it's ludicrous to imagine that Alex and his gun weirdo buddies would stop at the police

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force.

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No, no, no, no.

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They're ninjas.

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They come in.

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They strike once.

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They disappear into the forest.

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You'll never know who did it.

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All of a sudden, the next thing you know, very quickly.

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I mean, obviously, very quickly, he's read Unintended Consequences and this mirrors that

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very closely.

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Yeah.

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And if you take that book to be any indication, the people didn't just kill police officers

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or the ATF.

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They also went after politicians.

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Yeah.

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So if this rhetoric is so wrapped up in that mythology and that idea, it's hard to hear

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this is not like I mean, the people listening have read that book to the gun weirdo listeners.

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They know they know what this is triggering in their brains.

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This is they know the code that Alex is expressing.

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And that means, hey, these gun politicians, anyone who votes for gun control measures,

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they're part of that one point six million.

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Yep.

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And so it's a failed threat.

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It's a it's a it's a it's not even a veiled threat.

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It's a very.

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I mean, it's overt, but it's still veiled enough to much like that rancher was only

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a cause for concern.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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His death threat.

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This is just a cause for concern.

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Legally, it's not it's not a direct threat.

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But anyone who knows what he's talking about, it's very clear to hear that is a threat.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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His headspace is really fucked up.

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It's weird that you can I it's it's nice, I think in the long run.

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And in the larger sense that you can get on the radio and threaten to kill one point six

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million police officers if they do a thing you don't want them to do, additionally threaten

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you.

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See, there we go.

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All right.

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It's it is ultimately, I think, a good thing.

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But also, it's weird that we can do that.

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Right.

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It doesn't seem OK.

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It's a testament to free speech being protected.

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Yeah.

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That's weird.

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Yeah.

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It seems like that's probably one of those things where you're like, I mean, maybe don't

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threaten to kill all the cops.

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It's weird.

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It's weird.

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Yeah.

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So I don't know, man.

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I find this very interesting because you do see over this span of time an evolution of

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Alex's position on Dorner.

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But it's not really a full evolution.

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It's a it's a it's like a quarter turn that he's making.

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And I'm very interested to see how it plays out, because I know that the fact that he

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died, the fact that Dorner killed himself in that cabin didn't stop people from talking

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about it.

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Right.

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I know that it's a story for a bit after this.

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And I'll be interested to see how Alex tries to take ownership of the post mortem of it.

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The story as the threat is gone, as the the fear, the the terror the people were living

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in in California, that once that is removed from the equation, how does he move forward

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with the narrative?

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Yeah, I think it's going to get I think it's going to be worse.

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Well, what I always find fascinating is that his position has somewhat evolved.

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But with no regard for the story at all, the story has nothing to do with his position.

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No amount of information, no amount of facts.

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All he needed to hear to to flip that switch was Shaq and fire like that was basically

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it.

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Yeah.

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He needed he needed an archetype that he could he could resonate with his people.

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Right.

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Because before that, this didn't really resonate all that much with his his folk, except for

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I mean, the idea of like people are supporting him.

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Yeah.

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That sort of triggers his his audience in terms of like, you know, all these these people

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that we're against, they're fine with a cop killer.

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Right.

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And he's black.

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Yeah, sure.

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So it's more likely to be a real shooting than a false flag.

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So I don't know.

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It's interesting.

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I'm I'm excited to dig more into 2013 and keep this moving along and we will see what

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happens.

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We'll have to wait for another day last because we are done and we'll be back on Wednesday

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though.

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Indeed, we will.

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And we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledge, right?

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Dot com.

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Yep.

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We're on Twitter.

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It's knowledge underscore fight.

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And I'm at go to bed.

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Jordan.

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That's right.

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We're also on Facebook.

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We are.

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We're on the iTunes.

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We're on the podcast.

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You will applications.

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Libsyn.

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Mm hmm.

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There are post offices where you can mail us for a copy of each podcast.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Steve Schenk is a manipulative food salesman, but I'm going to guess that he's never.

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Oh, he might have killed some people.

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Oh, yeah.

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Is he from North Dakota?

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No, he probably hasn't killed anybody.

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I read there's like that pissed off consumer website where people can post complaints about

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right.

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And a lot of people, a lot of people have complaints about e foods direct.

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A lot of people have buckets.

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I can't imagine why of rancid granola that they got no chance, allegedly, you know, it's

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anonymous and stuff.

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So I don't know.

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But it seems like a pretty consistent thread.

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One hundred percent.

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Believe it.

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I don't know if anyone's died from eating those, though.

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So I can't prove it.

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I'll still say Steve Schenk hasn't killed anybody.

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One guy who technically has probably done that is Alex Jones.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.