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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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Hello Alex, I'm a first name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you

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Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes

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I sit around check novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh indeed. We are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan

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Who you got?

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Pyramids or Sphinx? What are you talking about? I'm what do you what do you choose? What's your what's better? What the fuck?

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What do you prefer? What are you talking? It's a crazy question. I'm trying all kinds of we're doing bracket questions from now on

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So I've got a whole team you you're gonna go with Sphinx. It's shaped like a cat which is great. I love cats

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Pyramids just a geometric shape not question

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Well, I mean, it's a non-sensical question. That's part of the reason. Well, I'm going through all the Egyptian landmarks

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That's the eight episodes is just we're gonna figure out we're gonna rank it. All right, we got that River

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The Nile

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Okay, how do you feel about that one I like it all right very wet yeah, yeah, what about those

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There's probably some other pyramids. Oh, okay. You want to try some of those?

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What do you mean like in other parts of the world or other ones that are in Egypt?

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I don't know like one's in Memphis, okay

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This is gonna go great

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Real excited for this April madness. No, that was as good as I got. All right

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Well, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones. Let's get away from this. I

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Was having fun the true irony of this is this is the only time I've ever seen you writing down on your notepad before the

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Show started and I asked you what are you doing? You said coming up with a good question

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Yeah, I did not say good question. Fair enough. I said coming up with a question. That's what you came up

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That's one of the best I got somehow. Oh boy

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So Jordan today, we're gonna be going over an episode or two going over two episodes

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I needed to get away from the present day. Yeah, because that was it's been a lot

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It's been to the last episode was a little bit too heavy need to give Alex a little bit of time out put him in

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Time out. Yep. So today we're going back to 2013 to continue our sandy hook after math investigation

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we'll be going over January 4th and 6th of

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2013 and that is because it's a Friday and a Sunday

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Yeah, no show on Saturday, right?

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But a lot of people will probably are gonna be listening to this on Friday and asking hey Dan

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What about how Alex Jones is on his LA tour through podcasts? I don't want to

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We may cover some of it

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But because of the timing of these episodes having to record on Thursday didn't have enough time to get into some of the more recent

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Releases may do that for next week. Also people might be asking

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What does Alex have to say about Julian Assange getting arrested? Of course? I don't know yet

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We're recording this on Thursday. I don't know. We don't have enough time to do that quick of a turnaround

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But we may know that for you on Monday. It's possible possible

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I don't even know if Alex is back in studio from Los Angeles yet genuinely have no idea where he's gonna land on Assange

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Also, I think it could be bad for Trump quite frankly because Alex has been perpetuating the idea that Trump is supportive of

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Assange right and if he extradites Assange back and throws him in a hole or something like that

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That's really gonna hurt Alex's Trump narratives. I think yeah and journalism in general. Well, yeah

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I think it has the potential to really derail Alex and Trump's alliance, but we'll see

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Well, Trump doesn't even know anything about us. He's never even heard of the WikiLeaks before. What are WikiLeaks?

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I don't know. I like that gaslighting. That's that's a swing for the fences on that one. It's pretty impressive

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Yeah, um, so we'll see maybe that'll be in next week. We'll find out but for now we will jump into this episode

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Oh, yeah. Oh, what about you? Every single thing you say is yelling

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Don't don't just critique yourself for that one time. Yeah one time maybe every word that comes out of your mouth is

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At least six decibels higher than a normal human apologies. Thank you. I'll do my best to NPR. Yes. That's right golf clap voice

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I think that's a good idea. Okay, this is gonna get more annoying

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So Jordan, like I said today we're doing January 4th and 6th

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At this point Alex has been pretty clear that

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Sandy Hook is false flag, but it's in the sense that the government did it, right?

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He's still saying that the kids were killed and all that stuff

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But the government went in killed Adam Lanza as a patsy left him there all that stuff sure

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That's sort of where he's at

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but he doesn't really care all that much about it because he's now saying that the

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The government and the globalists are going to use that as a way to take everyone's guns intentionally to start a civil war

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So now everyone's up to speed pretty much with where we're at as we jump in on the fourth

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I wonder if we're gonna see a development of that theme or maybe we're not here's an out of context drop from today's show

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You're not gonna get our guns Russians. You understand that Vladimir Putin. You're not gonna destroy America you understand that

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You

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Weird he who laughs last laughs best. I don't know

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Alex is really mad at Vladimir Putin trying to take his guns. What is going on?

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I don't know this show is so weird. Why is Vlad taking this guy? I don't know

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We were angling for I don't know

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Alex has been very consistently pro-russia and Vladimir Putin in almost everything that we've ever heard

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Yeah on this show pretty much almost every era except y2k. Yeah that we've heard

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He's been pretty strongly in in

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Favor of Russia, but today on January 4th

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Alex has a bee in his bonnet about Russia weird sure so here's where it starts out on the episode and actually starts out on this

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Theme so that's pretty convenient. I mean RT really I saw a video today. They did like yesterday

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Really did trying to defame me, and it was just so pathetic. I don't know if I'll respond to it

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I mean they know we have a bigger audience domestically than they do so it's an attempt at that

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But RT the last eight months has really taken a turn towards authoritarianism

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And as you know shameful, it's shameful just the last few though. Yeah

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They were right not a different tip for a while. Yeah things have changed

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So in a turn that I bet no one was expecting Alex is temporarily very mad at RT the entire country of Russia and Vladimir

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Putin in this episode

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Alex really isn't specific about his what he's complaining about he said they ran a piece that was defaming him

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I can't find this

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I don't know what he's talking about so I'm kind of left out in the woods here trying to put the pieces together

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My guess if I had to speculate is that Alex feels betrayed that RT isn't screaming bloody murder about the prospect of the introduction of

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Gun legislation in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting it makes some sense for him to feel that way

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if you go back and look over RT America's videos from the era of

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2010 to 2012 the network is lousy with Alex's friends and narratives being amplified

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Webster Tarpley Gerald Cilenti Adam Kokish Paul Craig Roberts Peter Schiff Wayne Madsen and Alex himself are

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Super frequent guests on the network and the messages they propagate on the network are the same as the ones expressed on Infowars

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Looking over this archive

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It doesn't seem all that weird to imagine that Alex thought this network was a true ally of his and could it could lead him

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To feel and cast aside when he feels like they aren't joining him in this battle

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Which he's built up as being the thing that'll lead to the end of American civilization

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You could feel like it's possible. There's gonna be a little bit of rejection there. I

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Guess I mean RT not I'm not even not at the absence of RT doing something seems weird or

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In in terms of him like suddenly lashing out it does

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I'm sort of speculating what emotional trigger could be there and that's

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That's a piece of it possible RT is his metaphorical mother kicking off kicking him off her lap at six possibly

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So RT is reporting on Sandy Hook started out just as sloppy as Alex's but with a little less paranoia on

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December 14th the day of the shooting RT's Liz Wall who's from the Connecticut area reported quote

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I just got off the phone with my mom. She has some friends whose children go to that very school

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Just picked up the children. There's a lot of information what they're hearing

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My mom says is this guy the gunman worked at the school and was fired this morning

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One of the victims was his mother who was a kindergarten teacher and shot opened fire on the kids in the classroom

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Not the implying that the mother shot the kids. Yeah

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Yeah, none of that is true Adam Lanza did not work at the school. Nancy Lanza was not a kindergarten teacher

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She'd worked in insurance, but wasn't employed at least since her divorce

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As her sister Marcia said quote she didn't have to work because my brother-in-law left her very well off

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Very well off to which she replied Marcia Marcia Marcia

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She's doing really well if her sister had to repeat very well off twice in an interview

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That means she is making buku bucks. Yeah from that divorce

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The last or the day of the shooting RT was reporting outright gossip

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That wasn't true at all about the tragedy which is not cool within a week however

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Liz wall started reporting on how suspicious it was that the NRA hadn't made a comment publicly or tweeted in the days after the shooting

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She did a piece on December 18th about the idea that it's possible that the NRA wasn't as powerful as everyone thinks

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Pointing out that in the 2012 election of the over ten point five million dollars the NRA spent only

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point eight three percent of that money actually went towards successful outcomes either supporting a candidate who won or

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Opposing a candidate who lost I don't know if that that's accurate as a statistic, but it's what she was reporting right?

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So that's why I'm not entirely sure I mean it the exact number

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It doesn't really mean much compared to just they're ineffective. It's positive. I mean that's the message that she's trying

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Easy to interpret that messaging as being hey don't worry about these loud assholes their bark is worse than their bike row ahead

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Right, right. It's progress. You need don't worry about gun control. Yeah the fight that these people are threatening

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But that interpretation would be bullshit as saying that that's indicative of what RT was putting out on

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December 19th RT America aired an interview with Jim stash awake stash away

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Ick 90 has a weird name to pronounce they interviewed him about how gun control wouldn't be effective and his tyranny

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They credited Jim as a quote constitutionalist and freedom advocate in reality

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Jim is a fucking lunatic who has posted videos of himself online ranting about how immigrants are quote invaders parasites and vermin

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Than burning a Mexican flag

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He's posted videos where he literally advocates shooting Black Lives Matter

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Protesters in the back on site and displays for the camera a bullet with BLM written on it

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He posted a video of himself outside a mosque in Augusta, Georgia with a gun yelling death to Islam

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He's literally told his followers quote if someone is a member of antifa people

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It's time to be lone wolves and retaliate against this attack retaliate as a lone wolf

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Before this appearance on RT

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He'd already been arrested multiple times and was on the Southern Poverty Law Center's list of dangerous members of the Patriot movement

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due to his involvement with the American resistance movement and the Georgia civilian militia as well as his deeply bigoted radio shows that tended towards

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incitement towards violence in his listeners

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RT had every reason to know who this fucking nutcase was and yet in the aftermath of Sandy Hook they had him on as

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A guest to be a voice against gun legislation on December 18th

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Abby Martin did a segment on her show breaking the set about how the media was sensationalizing and exploiting the shooting

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Something that Alex agrees with entirely and has expressed as much on his program RT correspondent Anastasia

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Cherkina laments that the media got so many details wrong about the shooting and their reporting which is kind of funny because the other guest

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On the show is Liz Wall the same person who four days earlier said on RT that Lanza worked at the school

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that one sounds right

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Oh and then on December 19th RT interviewed Alex's good buddy Paul Craig Roberts where he espoused the belief that the government needs to

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Needs to take the guns away so they can fully bring in a police state at the end of the interview

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He even suggests that Sandy Hook may not have been real as he says of the shooting quote these events whether real or not real

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Are simply helpful to take away the guns?

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That's

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A take it is that's a take right there

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RT ran pieces that covered the outcry of Americans who wanted tighter gun laws in the aftermath of the shooting and they also allowed

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Dangerous crazy assholes to regurgitate their bullshit on the airwaves, too

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I suspect that Alex must have just seen one of the first sort of pieces

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You know the kind that are expressing like oh a lot of Americans are calling for gun control

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Yeah, and he just got really mad about it

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Also, this is probably worth noting at this point at this point in time

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Alex hasn't been a guest on RT since May 2012. So he may just be feeling a little bit left out

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This doesn't seem like or this seems like the kind of behavior that we saw from him recently with Joe Rogan

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I was about to say that

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Exactly where he lashed out got a little bit like an angry baby in order to get the attention

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He felt he deserved and wasn't getting

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This seems to have worked out in this case just as well as it did with Rogan

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Damn it, because I'm just January 22nd 2013 Alex returned to RT on his buddies max Kaiser's show

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This isn't about geopolitics. It's not about gun rights. It's not even about free speech. It's 100% about Alex's ego

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That's all he's expressing here

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He always gets his way

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He needs to lose these lawsuits so bad, you know, I'm sick of him getting his wife by acting like a child

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Yeah, it's super weird. Oh, that's so

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Oh

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So in this next clip Alex talks about how the globalist wants Civil War which you know is a position that he has

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And then he implies that he knew that Sandy Hook was gonna happen before it happened

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Oh the globalist won a civil war they they want police and military to be killed trying to confiscate our firearms

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And remember Oh Alex, you're a fair monger. They'll never try to get our guns and I said you watch there's gonna be mass shootings

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there's gonna be false flags a

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month before Sandy Hook I

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Said this is the season get ready. I'm seeing them roll out the propaganda now beforehand

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So all that I mean, that's not totally new you you're saying it's new

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It's not really accurate because he it's suggested similar things in the past, right?

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You meant more specifically that he knew that well, we know he's a psychic right? That's true. Well, why didn't you know it?

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That's a good question

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All that is all that does all that serves to do is to suggest that it was fake

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That is all like I I know is coming all the predictive markers were there and blah blah blah

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Yeah, it's the safest

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prediction in

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America saying that there will be another mass shooting through time soon and then to be fair in early 2013

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It's probably a bolder prediction than it is now, but still not that

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Man it's it's like he

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like here's here's the way that I

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I view what he's doing right now. He is

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Playing his his game of like no matter what happens

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I have my ass covered on it being fake like you I predicted this it's fake

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You know it if it comes out that something is wrong. It's fake

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I told you if it comes up that it didn't even happen

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See, I told you that it was a false flag no matter what happens he gets to say I told you so right, right?

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Without actually saying anything. Yeah, yeah, yep. He's cool that way

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So at this point in the episode

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Alex brings in you know he continues his trend of having gun weirdos on his show to

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agitate and make people afraid that their guns are gonna be taken away and

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You know his bench apparently isn't that deep because Larry Pratt is back again of course from gun owners for America

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And this next clip is just so fucked up

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Just as a way of thinking because what they do is they take the memory of someone who died

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Heroically in Sandy Hook and then try and rewrite her actions as being like what if she had a gun?

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Wouldn't that have been great? Oh, no. They're not doing that they are this is where that's fucked up pretty gross

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Look at what that one brave woman did I guess she was a teacher Victoria Soto

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As she had the presence of mind to to hide away the kids and then she was out

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Running where she became a target

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Why not have her have a gun for goodness?

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Oh, imagine what she would have done the presence of mind to use it

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Oh, if only she had an opportunity to kill a human being

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That's gross. That's really bad. That's that's fine. I

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I why it's pretty disrespectful to her memory and it's even more cowardly that they're like

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Couching it with like like praise for her, you know being like oh, she's such a hero. But what if she had a gun?

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Oh, man, what if Martin Luther King jr. Had a gun? Oh, man

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What if JFK could have turned around and shot back right? Huh? How about that? Think about that?

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What if Lincoln had right now we don't know

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Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't think there's really even much commentary needed for that as opposed to just like look at that

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So Alex one of the look at that stain on the wall it is gross

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Yeah, so one of the things that Alex is trying to do and he has been doing pretty consistently throughout this entire period since

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You know the like he sort of focused a little bit on his position on Sandy Hook

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For a couple days and then since then has been just like this gun paranoia

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Yeah

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And in that entire time one of the things that he's used to defend himself and be like this isn't crazy for me to be

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Going down these roads is the idea that there were bills being introduced in order to take away people's guns

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Now in order for this argument to work in any way

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There have to be at least the perception that these bills are a credible threat to your gun ownership rights, right?

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I mean like if you know that there's no chance these things are gonna pass

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You don't really have a good foot to stand on to stoke fears, right?

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I mean that's kind of a rational way to look at it

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Um, I suppose but then the argument back against that would be if you're not if you get complacent

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And you aren't constantly fighting back against this then it might pass without anybody's, you know

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You think there's no way that it's gonna pass, but if you don't keep talking about it

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Maybe they'll do it when you're only three people voted for the Federal Reserve Dan. Alex is gonna say that later

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But now my response to that not the Federal Reserve Park, that's bullshit, but my response to that is like yes talk about it

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But you can't spread fear about it as effectively right?

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You're you're you're sort of impending panic and like this is the end of the world that's coming now

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It doesn't work if you think like this is impotent bullshit. You don't need to be worried about it, but let's stay vigilant

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You know, it doesn't work propaganda doesn't work with ambivalence, right? And so that's why it's funny that even Larry Pratt knows that

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These bills are never going to pass

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One of the what do you expect them to try to do not just with her bill but others

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What's the time frame Obama said yesterday his priority is open borders and gutting the Second Amendment?

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What's your battle plan?

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Bills and I don't expect them to

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To to be successfully pursued either in the Senate or the House, okay

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Let's pack it up good luck

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Alex sort of just been like, oh, okay, then you're done get off my show. I don't know

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I need you to say the opposite. Yeah, that's why you come on my show

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Did you hear me just in two words lie about Obama three million times? Come on. Yeah, absolutely

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He's for open borders and gutting the Second Amendment. I didn't even think of that

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Speaking of Obama

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it turns out that one of the reasons I believe I believe what I

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Suggested at the beginning of this episode is probably a large part of why Alex is mad at RT and by extension Russia

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uh-huh, but Alex presents a second explanation in this next clip and the reason that I don't take it as

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Really what's going on is it's

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Absolutely not indicative of reality. It's just that I'm not criticizing RT now

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Because I haven't been on there in eight months

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Yes, you are because some people are like, oh, you know Alex you go on RT

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You must work for Putin and I'm like no it is state-run state-funded

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But they don't control what I say

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I'll go on there and talk about foreign banks taking the US over but something changed eight months ago

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And it's now come out in the EU was in the news last week

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Hermann von Rompi one of the heads of the EU the head of the Commission has been in meetings with Putin and others and they're

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gonna merge

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The European Union as a new Soviet and even the president of the Czech Republic has said this but it's now official

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With the old USSR and they're putting the hammers and sickles back on the tanks there

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I mean that you know, the old-timers were right Russia played possum. And so

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There were different policies just a year ago

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Now it is full bore

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merged with Obama, you know that the the authoritarians uniting against our Second Amendment and I

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Find it outrageous

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That's completely crazy because there's a couple reasons one is that in 2012 that was when Putin?

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Reascended to the presidency and so Alex saying in January 2013 that a year ago. There were different policies

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well, I mean in the sense that Medvedev was president and Obama and they were trying to do the reset of

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Yeah relations and stuff like that

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Obama and Putin had a much different relationship

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It was much more standoffish and and hostile and then you got to consider that in December 2012

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that's when the Magnitsky Act was was put in place that sanctioned a bunch of like there was it was not good between

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Obama and Russia in the time period that Alex is talking about right now

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Yeah

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And the way Russia's economy was going they really couldn't even afford that much red paint to put all those hammer and sickles back on

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The the tanks man you just you put it on the new ones. You don't need a retrofit

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I mean there was tensions over Syria that were brewing at that time. Yep. There was a

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Obama in Russia did not see eye to eye in the least

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the idea that Alex is trying to suggest this means to me that the truth is something else entirely and the easiest explanation is

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That I'm not on art. I'm not on RT anymore. Yeah, and isn't by and RT is giving nuanced coverage of

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The gun issue and I thought they were on my team and I'm fucking pissed off about it

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Yeah, well also they haven't put me on it. Well, that's part of specifically knows eight months. That's part of it

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Right. Well, but I mean you remember in the first clip he said it the last eight months. They've turned authoritarian

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It's been eight months since I've been on. Yep. What a coincidence

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isn't he also isn't he tacitly admitting that

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RT is

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An arm of the Putin propaganda machine by saying that I mean he is but we're insinuating it at least he is

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But he goes into it in a longer part of the episode that I just didn't keep in but I'm more than willing to

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Explain and that is that he says that like yeah, I go on all these state-run media stuff. I don't care

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I'm not I'm not doing it where they are giving me a message

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They're putting out my message right? And so if he believes that that's the case and that's the way he interacts with it

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I don't really care. I mean cuz it is possible to go on a state-run media organization and not be

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Oh for sure carrying water for that state or whatever. It's it's it's not as

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Simplistic as like if you're on there, you're a Putin stooge or whatever. No, no for sure. So Alex going on like

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Iranian state TV or any of that it doesn't I

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Don't know. Yeah, but you just have to connect to the fact that if a state-run TV operation has you on

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There's a reason that they have you on you may be putting out your message

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But that message aligns with whatever their goals

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I mean at that given point in time, but I mean as I was going through the archives of our T's

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Stuff from that when you know, it's just crawling with Infowars guests

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it also like Sage Francis didn't interview with them and Sam Cedar did a couple interviews and

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to live quality, you know like so there's there's a lot of people that like it even if they are asking because your beliefs line up

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In some way with the message they want to put forth that doesn't always mean it's nefarious. I'm not saying that either sure

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I'm just I'm just saying that whenever he says specifically I go on there and say my own message

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They don't control anything. I say he's definitely leaving out the part of like there's a reason they're having me on

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Specifically and not you know, very well, maybe yeah

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Um, so in this next clip we see Alex

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So we're only in early January 2013

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We're less than a month after the shooting

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In Sandy Hook and you can already tell that Alex is getting a little bit defensive about what he's doing

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Like there's been no real pushback at least

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Appearing on the show. Yeah, you know

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He's not complaining about anybody saying he's out of line or anything like that his callers or if anything

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One more rabbit works. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but he's pretty easy. You can see hints of defensiveness here

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And and I saw some more of the foreign media going

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conspiracy theorists

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say that

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You know there were multiple shooters

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Well, the media always reports multiple shooters because little kids were seeing you know people and making the reports

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No, we've aired the newscast

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It was helicopters and and and and footage and surveillance cameras of multiple guys in camo

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Arrested out in the woods. It wasn't little kids following these reports

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There's video of it and they said he had an ar-15

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M4 inside it was in the car, but those are all misreporting. Yeah, so like he's he's already

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sort of

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internalizing some sort of critique

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that he's

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Using shit sources to tell the stories that he's telling and he's like no, it's all the real media and stuff like that

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I mean there are people who

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misreported based on

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Possibly the root of it was that RT report but it could have come from other places the idea that the shooter worked at the school

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yeah, and stuff like that that is something that went around and

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When you realize that that's not true

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Then you don't need to be defensive about the idea that RT reported it. I

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Re-reported it incorrectly. Sorry. I got that wrong. You don't have to Alex doesn't need to be defensive about this

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all he has to do is say I

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Initially got a bad report about this turns out that's not the case. Whoopsie. Yes, he could do that. But instead he doubles down

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Because he can't do that and as we know from the sandy hook deposition in present day

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They asked about this the helicopter and the guy in the woods and stuff like that Alex can't point to a video that he saw

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That backs this up. He does that's right. He can't I completely forgot that he was even making up that part

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Well, he's not making up he's misrepresenting stuff if I had to guess it would be the cops in the woods

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Yeah, and one of them was dressed differently than the others running in unison appeared to be a chase

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Yeah, and that is just something that is wrong, but you probably could look at that video

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You just have to you know, someone would explain to you that like that's not people getting arrested in the woods

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You're wrong about that. Yeah, it wouldn't be like that video doesn't exist

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but I think Alex knows that that video doesn't show what he professes that it does and therefore he can't point to that as

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Being the like that's what I was going off of right?

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How many times has he ever retracted anything on his show? Is it because he could you can't ask me that question

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I don't know. Well, I mean, yeah, you're that's a very very few public apologies very few retractions

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Maybe on the website, they've posted some like hidden somewhere buried on the website. Yeah, but I don't know

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I don't I don't think in my experience. It's not very common. Yeah

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well

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I'm just saying cuz it seems it it doesn't surprise me at all that he's just double doubling down because he

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He can't retract it. He's already made so much hay out of it in the first two weeks

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Yeah, so how could he possibly and now retract it and without being like, I'm sorry. I'm not psychic

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well, and it's a piece of

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him justifying that the globalists did this and that also that is part of the justification for

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Him saying that they're doing it to take your guns to start a civil war

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Which is the only reason for him to be doing as extreme of a broadcast as he's doing. Yeah

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At that time so the the underpinnings of of stuff like that if they fall apart then everything falls apart

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Yeah, if he retracts one thing, then he literally has to say, okay guys. Sorry calm down

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Yeah, which would be less sales. That would be a problem. Yeah, I can't can't say calm down anybody

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Well, it is you say less sales, but in reality, it's stuff like this in this next clip that wouldn't work. So well

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anyway, my new packages came in like a few days ago and

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and

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So info worse health calm are amazing and I need to do more to promote it because it also funds our operation

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And that's what I do. I fund us, you know, not with Putin money like RT. I fund ourselves with stuff

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I believe in and I I usually show

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Anything else you'd like to add about the young Chevy products?

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Well, I got introduced through them through listening to their show

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And I thought I'd try them and see how they did and I was amazed within a week. It's just what a difference

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Well, I'll tell you

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Oh, that's worse health calm. You really ought to

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I mean you've used it you believe in it. It's good. We're not communist

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You ought to become a distributor for info worse team calm

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And you can go there and sign up to become a distributor and then pay it forward, you know

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You discover something that really works tell people your testimony and promote it

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It's one of the only times that I've heard him actually advertise for his multi-level marketing. Yeah the info wars team

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He very rarely brings that up, but it's interesting that he does here

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Well, it's not a planted call that just sudden suddenly happens to lead to a very detailed explanation of info wars life

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And how you should become a marketer. Yeah get in this MLM stroke of luck that you would call

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Yeah insane and and at a time when Alex is clearly feeling like he should do more marketing for his his shit

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Also in there that thing like the way he's like we don't take Putin money like RT the way he gives

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Weaves it back to RT

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It really makes you think that all of his complaints about Russia all are about RT and complaints about about RT

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They're about how he's not on it anymore

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It really feels that way throughout this call

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Russia's authoritarian government. I love I liked it a year ago. I love their

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absolute

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move towards homogeneity

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But hold on if you're not having me as a guest on RT

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I can't handle this whole Russia thing Putin get out of my face, right?

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So in this next clip Jordan, it's been a while since we've heard from a good friend of ours

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In a while, and I'm thrilled to report. Are we getting Larry Nichols back? No, ah, I don't know where he is at, but

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Not now either. He's in Arkansas. I actually do know where he's at because we have his address

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No, it's old man house phone old man house phone is back old man house phone calls in and dude miked down because

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The reason he's calling in is that he needs to report to Alex that he has prank called Diane five

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Five

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George is at first John in Wyoming on Feinstein. Let's see on WWCR. Go ahead, John

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Thank You Alex, and thank you for having your great guest Gerald Cilente on today

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You bet I had something happen yesterday that both of you will enjoy

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I called Diane Feinstein's office in Washington DC and one of her young male staffers answered the phone

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I said as per the gun control measure. Ms. Feinstein is introducing today

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I said, please give her my congratulations. I had no idea. She was a supporter of the Fuhrer. I

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said Adolph Hitler did the same thing to his people in

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1934 and then we saw what he did to his people after he disarmed them

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So I just wanted to give her a very hearty congratulations for following her her guide

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The Fuhrer good prank call nicely done. Good man old man house phone

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Love it

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The annoyance of that staffer though the listening to that just being like

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Okay, all right, I'll let her know Nazis yeah, all right anything else I can do for you counterpoint just from within

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Alex's rhetoric would be he says that the guns have been taken from all countries except for like America and

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Switzerland or whatever, you know, like those are his that's the what he says is like everyone else has taken the guns

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Why aren't there more Hitler's a lot a lot a lot of Fuhrers out there?

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What about all those other countries that haven't had Hitler's pop up? They took all the guns. Well currently we're in the Fuhrers

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They're still jockeying for position

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Isn't that kind of a counter example to your argument that the tyranny comes as soon as people take away the guns?

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I mean, it seems to hurt the argument. Yeah, but look I don't want to besmirch old man house phone

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Oh because it's nice to have him back and I'm glad that he's like a cranky anchor, you know

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I'm glad he's like spoonie love out there on the phone

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Try to fuck with congressional staffers

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He had to say young male staffer to like like he called a bit before that and got a female staffer was like I can't

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Talk to you hang up, right?

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Love it. Yeah, so this show kind of stinks I could say that about most of Alex's shows

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But it there's not a whole lot going on. So we're already out of the main show. Yeah, and now we've we're in

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Overdrive Alex does an extra half-hour after his show is over. What what got good to him? I don't fucking know

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He just did. Yeah. Oh, okay

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So he plays a special report from David Knight who is working there at this point

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I guess I don't know he's been there for a while

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But he plays a special report from David Knight and it was interesting to me what that special report is about

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But don't worry. We're not gonna listen to David Knight at all

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Now I want to go to David Knight's report

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You just heard Gerald Cilente talking about how this is this great turning is coming this great awakening historically in a cycle

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and

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It's not just one theory that proves this there's actually dozens but one book that came out in the 80s. Nope

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Breaks down the fourth turning and he's got a clip from the 90s where they predict the implosion of the market

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How it would happen what would come out of it the tyranny the awakening the cycles book about 1997

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This special report that David Knight is filing on this episode is about the theory of the fourth turning which is based on a book

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By the of the same name written by amateur historians William Strauss and Neil Howe

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The book argues that there are generational cycles in our history which repeat like the seasons in a calendar year

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Since they repeat they're predictable and always follow the same pattern

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Each cycle lasts between 80 and 100 years and is made up of four turnings

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So there's the high which is a period where institutions thrive and individualism weakens

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Then there's the awakening a period where institutions come under attack from a new regime of values new ideas

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value systems, so then there's the unraveling which is a period where individualism reassertion itself re

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Re-emerges and institutions decay giving away to these new values that came about during the awakening

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Then there's the crisis the fourth turning the period of upheaval when old values are replaced by this new system

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And it's kind of a chaotic time. There's usually Wars

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We don't have time to get into a critical analysis of this theory here

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But suffice it to say many people who had feel that it's woefully

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Simplistic and it seems not to explain how many historical events and figures don't fit into their handy and neat conceptions

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It's weird. There's a lot of stuff that's left out. Although there is

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Enough in there that fits their pattern that that you could easily be like, oh my god, this is amazing

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They did some cherry pickings

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There's a lot of people who are pretty critical of it one person who's review of the theory is not as critical

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However is Steve Bannon David Kaiser wrote in the 2016 piece in time quote though

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They're a hit theory isn't widely taught in colleges or discussed in the media Strauss

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And Howe may play a major role in Donald Trump's administration

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Steve Bannon the former head of Breitbart News who has been appointed Trump's chief strategist at the White House is very familiar with Strauss

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And Howe's theory of crisis and has been thinking about how to use it to achieve particular goals for quite a while

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I know this because Bannon interviewed both Neil Howe and myself in

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2009 when he was making a documentary film about the ongoing financial crisis

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I don't like to get all spun out on talk about how Steve Bannon may be a super villain trying to take over the world

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Inspired by half-cooked pseudo historical prophecy books from the 90s. So I'm just gonna move on from the topic

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I don't I don't think it's really super important. It is weird though just to say

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That something that was a big piece of Steve Bannon's worldview

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Was also a part of David Knight's worldview that he was reporting on on Infowars in

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2013 that's really weird. I don't think it means anything but it's weird. Yeah

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They were both they both enjoyed that dumb idea

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well, Steve Bannon was still at Breitbart and he if he did the

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That sounds right. Yeah, if he did do the

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What's it called documentary in 2009?

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Then it wouldn't surprise me if David Knight had some contact with him or yeah, he'd put something

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He might have gotten it from him. Yeah, not personal contact with contact with the ideas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

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That's entirely possible

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I don't know. It is interesting though because like based on what this Kaiser is reporting on in time

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There is an indication from his

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Interactions with Bannon that the idea of this fourth turning this crisis and what-have-you is something that can be used to your advantage

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whenever there is like a new regime of ideas coming in the old being replaced by the new if you

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Finagle things appropriately or correctly you're able to make sure that your ideas are the new ideas that are implemented through the crisis

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Right, but that's also who was it. Was it holder never let a good crisis go. No, that's not holder

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Yeah, rom rom. That's right. Never let a good crisis go to waste that kind of thing, right?

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I don't know if rom is also a huge fan of that could be I don't know. Maybe it's everybody. Yeah, I don't know

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I don't really care. I just think it's interesting to see these same ideas all over the place

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um

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So in this next clip still from the fourth in overdrive a caller is calling in and he says that he wants

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To sabotage gun legislation by forcing any attempt to get like new

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Regulations and laws for guns make sure that they also include something in the bill to get rid of the Federal Reserve

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So that's great. Okay, and then Alex starts yelling. Okay. Yeah, I thought we should also put poison pills in every one of their bills

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How about adding on to each one of these gun bills that they're trying to put in there that they have to repeal

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What is it the DNA?

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Yeah, and or abolish the Federal Reserve or that all federal buildings have to be gun free and they can't have bodyguards disarm the

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Secret Service and they'll go that's ridiculous. Exactly. Leave our guns alone filth. You've already sucked the country dry

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Well, you know you we know you hate us. You're not getting our guns

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We know you're criminals. Shut up. Shut up. The game's over. Shut up. Gel chescu. Shut up

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Stalin shut up New World Order shut up Queen of England

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Shut up Al Jazeera shut up RT. Shut up Chinese government. Shut up. Shut up

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We're not putting up with it anymore. I appreciate your call. Shut up scum

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He's a little mad

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Yeah, I don't I don't think I would want to be his neighbor. No, that sounds that sounds difficult

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Yeah, he's he's he's on one here. I mean, this is overdrive. Yeah, it's time to let it all hang out

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Just scream shut up for a good five minutes or so, buddy. Shut up. Shut up Maria

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I know you you work at the jewel Osco down the street from me. Shut up Maria take my gun. Yeah

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But you can also see that because of this beef that he has with RT

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It's it appears that that's at the root of this. He's lumping in RT with like China

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Joe chescu. Yeah, all these people that he thinks are awful

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Which is we know isn't a view that he's going to keep for long. No three weeks later

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He's going to be on RT and he's going to say how great they are

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Well, that's the reason that I suspect that this is something so trivial

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Yeah, because we I don't know if it's at that point when he's allowed back on RT that he's all like hey Russia's great again

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Yeah, or whatever, but we know that that is something that he comes back to me. So, I don't know

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I'm not sure what hey Joe Rogan's my friend again. What a surprise. Hey, how about that?

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Yes, the best bar cares in the world. I was gonna I was gonna slit his throat like a pig but

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Instead I said we're good. We're good buddies. Yeah, I mean, it's it's just so when you have something like that

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It makes whatever you're professing the problem to be seems very insincere and that's that's the base. I'm operating from

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Yeah, so in this next clip caller

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This is the last one here from the fourth towards the end of the show a caller calls in

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And wants to talk about Adam lands as mom and then Alex says something. That's that's

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It's in line with his progression. Let's go to Ron in New York real fast Ron. You're on the air

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Yeah, hi Alex Alex a few things. How come there's been no real consequential journalistic vetting of Adam lands his mother

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I mean after all according to the press. She played a central part

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Listen the whole thing if you ask me my gut tells me it's all staged and Batman the Batman shooting too

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and we've got the proof but

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It's just I don't know the public can handle it. The entire thing is scripted. Yes. Okay, the entire thing is scripted. Well

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Is there a nail in that coffin? I don't know

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I mean like he said he has proof but he could have been talking about the Aurora shooting because just because of the context of

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The set yeah. Yeah, we have proof that the Batman one right was there's not like from that sentence

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It's really hard to nail down that he's saying he has proof that Sandy Hook itself was staged

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But he is saying that and he's saying that it was scripted. Yeah, I don't know it has to be stated

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I don't know. I don't know if you've ever been in the theater

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Um, but the thing that actors do is based on what's it called table reads? It's script. Oh script. Yeah. Okay plays are scripted

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Television scripted I've been to Second City. That's not true some improv

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But like saying that something is scripted does seem to imply the presence of actors

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Yeah now still it's not good enough to nail down necessarily

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But that is in line with the progression of again where we know he's going to end up

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Yeah, so you can see that here already. I mean, what are we January 4th?

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Just less than a month after he's already a week or so before this

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Suggested that Robbie Parker was an actor because of the way he presented in a in a press conference

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And now he's saying the whole thing is scripted. So that's

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This is it's quick. Yeah, it's quick didn't take him long. He got into overdrive really simultaneously

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Way quicker than it should be and way slower than it should be. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah

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Yeah, cuz you'd expect you almost want it to be like the moment that it happens

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Well, yeah, I mean like I mean you don't want it to be but yeah you think it would be yeah, exactly

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Yeah, so we get to the 6th now and I should tell you this on the 4th

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He gets a caller who's bringing up the idea that there's this police chief in Pennsylvania

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Who's like gonna be a gun haven everybody with gun like a place where guns are free to live?

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Oh and go go move there go on

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You know fun get on over there. Hey, if you love God so much. There's a there's a utopia

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I know a lot about this guy out of the rest of America

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I know a lot about this guy that I'm about to tell you about you don't go there

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Even if you're a gun person, but so he's about to give out this guy's phone number

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Oh the police chief's phone number and Alex is like no no, no, no, no stop. Stop. Stop. No, he wanted people to have his phone

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Number he said it was fine to give it out and I was like he's gonna be on the show tomorrow

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Don't worry about it. And then on the show he comes on on Sunday 6th

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He does give out his phone number

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Of course he does and I would have left it in so we could try and call him like we did Larry Nichols

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Yeah, but it's just the police department's phone number. Okay, that makes more just look that up in the phone book

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Yeah, that's not that exciting

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But Alex has built it up on the on the 4th then on the 6th

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He's gonna have this police chief on and here is Alex at the beginning of the show on the 6th

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Announcing we're gonna talk to it

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Coming up in 30 minutes a police chief Mark Kessler

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Is going to be joining us with state level nullification at the town council level?

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In Pennsylvania, they are moving to get a law passed to mobilize their town

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against the globalist and violations of the Bill of Rights and Constitution and the Declaration of Independence gives them that power and

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He is coming on the show. We found out he's a

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Listener as well. That's good

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It's good to know there's a fellow Liberty Lovers out there across the nation in the world

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And that's what my plan and Ron Paul's plan as well has been nullification

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at the county city state level

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Nullification short of secession, but if we have secession, it's not from the United States. It's to have the states pull out of the federally

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Occupied New World Order system and to re-upload the Republic. What? Okay, whatever

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Uh what now basically he's just saying it's the same thing these sheriff's do it's the same thing with like that

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Nullification idea is just like hey you guys have your laws. We got ours and ours are better

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Who cares great Alex is I like more counties to secede from the Union Alex is highly touted guest on this Sunday

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Show is Gilbert in Pennsylvania police chief Mark Kessler. This is an interesting cat this dude

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So he's on the show is part of Alex's parade of gone weirdos that he's having on to pretend that the government is just days

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away from taking your guns

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You know it's out of your law-abiding hands leaving only the hardest core criminals out there having guns. Oh, man

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We can't have that yeah

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I should tell you that in May 2018 Mark Kessler was sentenced to two years probation

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And you might be asking yourself. What did you do to get those charges domestic violence?

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It turns out that on May 5th 2016 Kessler tried to buy a gun from a Dunham sports location

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But he lied on his application

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so you might be asking yourself what he lied about and it turns out he lied in response to a question of whether or

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Not he had ever been quote charged with a crime carrying a possible prison sentence of more than one year

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He said no when the answer was definitely yes

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How many possible years were available I'm not entirely sure it should have been fresh in his mind

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Though that the answer to that question was yes because in December just gotten out of prison in December 2015 not six months prior

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He'd been charged with multiple counts of harassment disorderly conduct and making terrorist threat there was there's the one yeah

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There we go one of the harassment charges as a result of him allegedly pushing a guy

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He thought was talking shit about his daughter and telling him you better watch your back

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I know where you live which Kessler for then followed up with by continuing to send the guy harassing emails

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Yeah, I mean I think the that that would be when you switch to snail mail

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Just to really hammer home that you know where he lives

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Yeah, the terrorist threats charge was allegedly the result of a complaint filed by a woman who attempted to pass Kessler's Hummer on the

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Road one day which apparently he did not take kindly to

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From the record from the Republican Herald quote Kessler pulled alongside her rolled down the passenger side window and began to scream at her

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And use obscene language according to the criminal complaint the woman recalled Kessler telling her quote. What are you doing?

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You're luckily my kids are here

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You know what would happen the woman said Kessler began to the woman said Kessler began to pull away

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But suddenly stopped backed up and reached down

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Pulling out a firearm to show her according to the complaint the woman said she is scared Kessler may seriously harm or kill her

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Especially since he acted that way that he did with young children in his vehicle according to the complaint

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I'm not a hundred percent sure how these cases ended up in court, but it really doesn't matter

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They were pending when he tried to buy this gun so he absolutely lied on that application Jesus

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These outbursts occurred in 2015 when it seems like Kessler wasn't in such a good place

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That might have been because he was fired as Gilberton police chief in September 2013

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After he posted some videos on YouTube of him firing a bunch of guns and yelling about how quote all the libtards take it in

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The ass so about eight months after this appearance

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He is no longer the sheriff that we should call because he made these videos of him shooting off a bunch of guns

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Talking about libtards taking it in the ass and referring to a dummy that he was using as a target as quote crazy

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Nancy the Speaker of the House Oh

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Which one?

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In one of the videos he says quote Democrats are the most vile creatures in this country. They're vile. They're evil evil unamerican

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I don't want to call them people because that's being too kind. They're scum you go against your country

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They hate our country that could easily be a transcript of modern-day Alex Jones quite frankly

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Oh, yeah, but these videos were so bad for business and so embarrassing that even the oath keepers stopped working with Kessler after outlets began

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Covering them and soon he was in hot water with the city. Oh, oh boy in August 2013

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It became clear. He was probably gonna get fired and the city called for a council meeting

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He took to Facebook at that point to try and rile up his base and begged militia folk to come to his aid and you

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Know what some did of course from an article in New Republic quote over 50 people

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Including a few out-of-state militia members heeded his call

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They set up what gun control advocate Michael Morrill of the statewide group Keystone Progress called a quote perimeter around the council meeting

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The heavily armed crowd clearly unnerved the few townspeople who showed up

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Quote, you know why there's not more residents here the threats

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That's why because they're afraid one lifelong resident told the Lehigh morning Valley morning call quote

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They're afraid they're gonna have their windows shot out a man who lives just outside

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Gilbertson called Kessler a nut and said his wife is afraid to stop in the borough

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So he won't his wife won't even stop in town. Oh, by the way, I should tell you he's the only cop in that city

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So we're legitimately living in Wild West times and he's a black hat police chair

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Oh, yeah, who needs a fucking David Carradine to ride into town in order to solve this

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Turns out it's the feds that do that. They're the David Carradine of this. Yeah

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He's the only cop in town and when he's fired they abolished the police department

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That is fucking up so bad that it's like after after 2020 we're just like no more presidents

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We're just abolishing presidents

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So he gets these militia guys to set up a perimeter outside the council meeting and terrain intimidate people into like don't fire the guy

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He does have a militia of his own too

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So this guy Michael Michael Merrill from Keystone Progress. He told the Huffington Post quote. I've been organizing for four decades

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I've faced klanman klansmen in Kentucky you taste in Bosnia and police indiscriminately beating demonstrators in Italy

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That night in Gilberton was more frightening than any of those situations

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Ultimately, the display of force didn't work and Kessler was suspended and ultimately fired the biggest reason for his termination

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It turns out he was firing guns that belong to the borough in the video

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That was a technicality

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There should be an easier way

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Then that's that's Capone and tax evasion. Yeah good. We got him, but we should have gotten him on all kinds of shit

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After he was fired Kessler formed his own militia

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He unsuccessfully ran for sheriff and claimed that he had signed a contract to star in a reality show

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It's the worst horror movie since get out he had one other move up his sleeve

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But that's gonna have to wait until a little bit later in this episode. I'm at scariest movie. I like it up, okay

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Yeah mere months before he got himself fired as police chief here

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He is on Alex's show full of hope for the future not knowing the pile of shit

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He's about to step in all because he's a complete lunatic

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Oh also, I should tell you what 2011 he shot himself in the hand while he was at a bar and in 2013

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He was sued after his son shot a BB gun at a bunch of kids at the Frackville

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Recreational complex which led to a young girl needing to get surgery to remove a BB from her leg

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Which might not be relevant except?

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He was the guy who was the fucking police chief who made YouTube videos of himself indiscriminately shooting guns all over the place and screaming

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So when his kid does that with a BB gun it kind of makes you think maybe he's a you know doing what daddy does

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So he's coming up later in the show of course, but now you kind of know who this cat is yeah

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He's a little bit of a dick

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Yeah, so Alex starts talking about gun statistics and death statistics

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and he says something in this next clip that is

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It's bad and by the way guns are at the end of the list

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With eleven thousand four hundred and ninety three killed in fiscal year

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2011 you always get the numbers a year late and

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There you go

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But I'm gonna go over all those numbers here on air by the way an estimated seventy two percent of those were gang-related

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Gang members killing each other so take seventy plus percent out of eleven thousand five hundred roughly

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And we're now talking about three thousand five hundred or so

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Maybe four thousand real deaths from guns. Oh, they're not real

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Did you know that if you were in a gang you and you die it's fake

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Oh, it's you're not even a real human being like that. You're not real life fake death

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Yeah, cool remember when Alex said that if he suggested something like that. He should be taken off the air

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He literally said that if I said that get like people in gangs

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Being killed it doesn't matter if I said something that offensive. He did say he was trying to demonize somebody else

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I can't remember exactly what it was, but I remember we talked about this like not a couple months ago

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Yeah, Alex saying something you just said they're not real deaths. You son of a bitch

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Yeah, this guy sucks. Yeah, I don't know if you knew that I didn't I didn't know I'd up until now

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I thought he was I was 5050 on him. Well. I mean he does suck

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He's pretty bad, but you should know this about him

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He's a learned man Alex Jones, and he's read a lot of things and that gives him a full grasp of things

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You know like history, and you know historical figures

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To quote Thomas Jefferson

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The great thing about the Second Amendment is you only need it when they try to take it away

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That is a Thomas Jefferson quote similar quotes by other founders

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So Jordan based on what you know about Alex's batting average with quotes

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How much would you be willing to bet that that's not a real quote?

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Well once he started saying the words I said that's not a real quote

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He said it was a quote twice when he said the the only thing about that. I was like no

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This isn't a quote goodbye. Let me ask you listeners

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How much would you bet that it's not a real quote 100 million billion dollars if you said everything I own?

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Congratulations on doubling your net worth that is a fake quote

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The Thomas Jefferson make it a true daily double Alex

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Thomas Jefferson Foundation has investigated that quote and variations on it like quote the people will not understand the importance of the Second Amendment

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Until it's too late and ruled that they find no evidence that Jefferson ever said anything like it

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They consulted all of his collected papers his published writings and correspondences and found nothing

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Like the idea that it's such a it's such an awful stupid quote that they went out of their way

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They're like well, maybe these idiots who make up quotes all the time may have read something in one of these

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obscure documents of

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So we better go through everything fairness. It's the Thomas Jefferson Foundation. What else are they doing? No, no, of course

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I know they're not busy. The quote doesn't appear in any published form until

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2007 when it appeared in a book called quote on a hill they call capital a revolution is coming by a guy named Matt Carson

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It was written in crayon. The book is a fictional novella about some dudes from Virginia who are pissed off about taxes

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So they start a revolution

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Interestingly if you go on Amazon, you'll find this review with the headline a pretty silly

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This is gonna be a good review quote a cheaply produced short novel about an anti-tax revolution not a bad read

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I suppose but it's basically an anarchists fantasy shallow and uninformed a fake Jefferson quote or two thrown in for good This

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Amazon reviewer knows more about Thomas Jefferson than fucking Alex Jones who claims Jefferson is one of his heroes

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This shit is pathetic if in in defense

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It's possible. The reviewer could have worked at the Thomas Jefferson Institute. There's a there's a real possibility, right? We don't know

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I assume they read everything that even mentions Thomas Jefferson, perhaps

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Um, so now we're gonna get to the Kessler showing up and man

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I'm so excited to tell you more about this guy. You thought that was it about him

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I really thought that was this guy is the gift that keeps giving really thought that was enough

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Remember I told you I was up late last night. Yes, because there just is so much more about him

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You think you figured out like what this guy is about. I

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Know I thought we already had him being a black hat evil sheriff in a Wild West town. That's only the stage

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Exactly he's firing guns at people's feet to make them dance

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Okay, so here we go

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All right, we take you now to police

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Chief Mark Kessler in a Pennsylvania a town of Gilberton for now

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It's like Mayberry RFK and his citizens are backing in Pennsylvania police

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She proposes Second Amendment preservation ordinance demand a real plan nullifying constitutional gun laws

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And he joins us to talk about enact any and all measures as may be necessary to prevent the violation of the Second Amendment

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That's right

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That's right. Not just say we're not going to enforce unconstitutional laws enact whatever it takes any means necessary

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I want to salute you serve for your stand for the Republic and it's good to have you here with us

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Tell us why this came to mind and where this is going

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Oh, thank you very much Alex for having me on your show

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So, you know Alex is thrilled to have this guy on he thinks very highly of him and he thinks you know, it's great

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Excuse me, Alex at first. I just want to say thank you for saluting me

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But please in the future make sure you don't raise your hand too fast. I have a really itchy trigger finger

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So I've I've lost a few a few friends who were in the military

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They saluted a little too quick and I know if I your argument that that's assault for me to shoot you. So

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It's you're the one who raised your hand quick. Absolutely self-defense

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So in this next clip

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Kessler talks about the support that he has in the world that Alex loves and

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I've been contacted by the old keepers

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They're they're in support of me the Pennsylvania United PA

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Nine nine twelve guys. They're a billion member strong throughout the country

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They they're backing me. There's just a whole bunch of people

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Yeah, folks are just looking for men of honor to stand up and you're doing that. So nine twelve. That's Glenn Beck's

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Keepers or tea party adjacent. He's just a big tea party guy. That's one of the big things. Yeah should be known about him

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I got I can't stress this enough if you go watch some of his videos, they're literally insane

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He's just yelling horrible shit about people and then firing like semi-automatic rifle at like a pile of dirt

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It's insane. He's just screaming about like the UN needs to go away and then

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It's like it's it's wildly if they went pretty viral when back in like 2013. Yeah, but like they're

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They give you the appearance of a man unhinged

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So it's like the Clint Eastwood lecturing Obama as a chair except

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He has a gun that he's firing at the chair after yelling. I don't know if he was yelling though, was he?

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No, he wasn't yelling. He's too old to yell

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He's got too many racist movies to direct up. So this next clip Alex kisses Kessler's ass quite a bit again

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I gotta say it. I'm not kissing your butt here chief

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But I gotta say what you're doing is is is what will save this country and and it almost brings a tear to my eye

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Because so many people say well, I'll just wait till they come for my guns and we'll have a revolution folks

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We that is the last thing we want whoever shoots first loses

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We want to stand up politically and use that force to defend our freedoms not shoot our mouths off

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And I've told people this if you won't politically get involved to defend your freedom. It's talk you will never

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Physically defend when the time comes correct action. You're right on point there. All right on point

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I don't agree with you more. So you understand that that's even kind of aggressive and a little bit violent

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Yes, what don't start a revolution before the air after they take your guns or when they're trying to take your guns

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We got to do this before they even start taking our guns

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Well, no, but there is that but it's also like we're not gonna do a violent part now

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We're gonna do it political stuff now, but I should tell you that

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That's on the table. But if you're not political now, there's no way you're gonna be violent later

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So if you want to prove that you're ready to be violent get political. There's still a weird sort of kernel to it

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I don't really understand it and I don't I don't I don't know if it's like anything

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I would label as like evil or it's just weird

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We don't allow anybody into our militias who has not also put a writer on

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Bill trying to get gun control legislation that would also abolish the Fed, right?

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If you don't do that, we can't trust you to throw down. Yeah

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Yeah

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So I mean most of the interviews just them talking about how he has these plans to nullify laws and all that good stuff

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And yes, it's really not it sounds like he can read very well to nullify laws. Yeah. Yeah

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There's not a ton of substance to it. It's just like hey the

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Globalist occupied government is doing a bunch of stuff that we feel is illegal

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So we're going to do things that we feel are legal that are against the law

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And so it I don't care they're just talking in circles around each other and there's much more important issues a lot of aspects like

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The fact that Kessler's mayor supports him other points police chief

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Mark Kessler of Gilbertson, Pennsylvania that you'd like to impart to our listeners. Oh

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Well, I'd like to say I hope everybody gets behind this and my mayor mayor mayor Mary Lou Hannon

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She's Pro Second Amendment. She's standing behind me on this

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She can also push the council into adopting this

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And I just really hope the past is so that's interesting

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To know that this guy is such a crazy already don't believe him when he says the mayor supports him. Oh, he's not lying

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Oh, no, that's not good. It's interesting to hear that Mary Lou Hannon the mayor supports Mark Kessler

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I mean, it's not that interesting

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But him bringing it up is a perfect segue for me to tell you another story about Tesla's horrible career

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He shot Mary Lou Hannon in the foot three times in 2011

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He was sued by councilman Robert Wagner after Kessler arrested strip searched and held Wagner in prison for six hours

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What had what had Wagner done? He left a terse voicemail on Hannon's machine, which he admitted quote wasn't pretty

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So here's what happened

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Wagner called Kessler to complain about teenagers racing ATVs in front of his house, but he couldn't reach Kessler

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So he called the mayor and left a message that got a little bit heated. He explained that the racing was dangerous

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He was taking a lot of heat from neighbors to get it taken care of since they knew he was on the city council

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And he had some sway Wagner swore a good bit in the voicemail

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But it was about the kids racing like these fucking kids racing and stuff like that

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He wasn't threatening or verbally harassing the mayor or Kessler in any way

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This is a pretty open and shut case of abuse of power where Kessler very literally arrested Wagner for exercising his First Amendment rights

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And Wagner was awarded $15,000 in judgment when they sued both Hannon and Kessler over it

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Oh, so there's a good chance that the mayor supports Kessler because she's just as fucked up as he is

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It's not clear whether or not she directed Kessler to arrest Wagner

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But it is clear that she signed off on the arrest which is completely without probable cause and constituted a purely retaliatory act

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So what was the thing that they were going to arrest him for? I mean, I know why oh

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They were he was arresting him for harassment. Yeah, okay doesn't explain the strip search

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Yeah, do they normally do the strip search for harassment?

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I think that was just harassment of him and humiliation

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this happened a year and a half before he's appearing here as a guest on Alex's show where Alex is kissing his ass and

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Holding him up as an example of someone who's going to save the Constitution when in reality

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He's literally an example of a corrupt cop who uses his position to deny someone else their constitutional rights

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Over pettiness and just him flexing his power a bad lieutenant port of call, Gilberton, Pennsylvania

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I believe uh-huh. That was the that was the sequel. Yeah, Nick Cage did not star in that one

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So now they're done with the interview really and this is how Alex ends it

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Well, I want to salute police chief Mark Kessler in Gilberton, Pennsylvania

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To win your town gonna stand up wins your town can stand up

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So what makes this appearance of this guy this Kessler on Alex Jones's show even funnier?

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Is that about a year after he got fired as Gilberton police chief Kessler made a pathetic attempt at doing some brand?

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Rehabilitation by claiming that his insane YouTube videos were only made as part of an undercover operation

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He was involved in with the feds. Love it. Yes. Yes. That's a great sing operation by the feds

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I love what they were trying to do, which was

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Well Kessler appeared on Fox News Radio with Alan Combs where he said quote I was sent out for well

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I can't really say exactly who but I was sent out by agencies to go out and attract and

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Investigate whether I could what I could do to find out who's who and what's what among these groups when I say groups

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I'm talking about Second Amendment groups Patriot groups alleged Patriot groups militia groups all sorts of groups

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He told Combs that he didn't believe the things that he was saying in those videos. So he was playing the long con

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He's been embedded in the militia movement for 20 years

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That's something like something like that. The feds recruited him when he was nine right right put him into the militia

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Movement right and now now my operation is done with these videos

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We've we've lured out some dangerous elements so I could publicly declare on Alan Combs his show that I'm a snitch

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What's his final video him standing in front of a shot-up mission accomplished banner? It's crazy

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It is literally insane that this guy is like now I was working with the fan

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I love the swing for the fences. You gotta give them the swing for the fences, man. I love it

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I love it when you just really go all out. None of this half dog whistles shit

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Just say that you've never even heard of Assange. Give me the go. Give me the home run

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I don't I don't believe this guy at all. I don't believe any

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No, I think he's 100% lying

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About working with the feds. I think he 100% believed the stuff that he said in those videos

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But his story about being undercover working for the feds is just his way of trying to save face because he realized that this right-wing

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grift he was trying to work isn't playing isn't paying out the way he wanted to that fake reality show that he claimed he had

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Signed a contract for wasn't happening. He wasn't making any money all that sort of stuff. So fuck it. Let's try and shift gears

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I just think it's really funny though like cuz no matter what even if he is lying

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He is like if you go through message boards now of these like these communities. They're like, we thought he was great turns out

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He's a fucking snitch

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He lied himself into being accepted by no one right

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Exactly, and it's interesting too because like I don't believe him obviously

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But if you do believe him and that he was working to root out people who are dangerous within these communities

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Part of being on Alex Jones's show might be part of that outreach

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Might be trying to ensnare dangerous people. I mean, are you saying that we're gonna entertain this possibility?

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No, I'm because if we're gonna do it, let's do it man. No, what else is he going for?

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No

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I want to I want a list of suspects and arrests that came about as a as part of this investigation classified

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I want to know exactly how making youtubes where you shoot at dirt is a

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Is a sting well, no, the only thing that makes it a sting like it's not believable

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It's 100% not but the only thing that makes it more robust than just I was making videos where I shot things

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And that's how you lure dangerous people in is that he was trying to build a militia

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Yeah, and so the idea is that like that call for people to join his militia and stuff like that

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That's how he was finding the dangerous people. Ah, but I don't believe that's why Ted Nugent is doing 25 to life, right?

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I don't believe any of this shit, but it's funny

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Alex does no vetting of his guests at all now granted. This is in the future of when he's on Alex's show

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Yeah, but if you look at the stuff that happened before the time he's on Alex's show

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You really should get a sense of like this guy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no now

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I want to go back through and see what his record is as a

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What if he started out like a young?

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idealistic sheriff who wanted to make things better and then certain and then he got training dayed and his

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First partner was Denzel and it turns out that he becomes just as corrupt as the other guys point of order

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He's not a sheriff the second point of order. He's the only fucking cop and go

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I don't know who's corrupting him. I think he's a sheriff if you're the only cop you have to be called the sheriff, right?

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No, it's the county not the borough. Ah, that's right. So Alex towards the end of this episode

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He starts to get some some calls and some news from people that Illinois is being sneaky snakes

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And they had dropped the legislation that was gonna ban everyone's guns

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But much like snakes who sneak they are reintroducing it and this is an emergency

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Federal court ruled they can't bar Chicagoans promoting guns to defend themselves

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So they're striking back as any globalist would is just take every gun

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We've got my goodness and they're going to use this as the model with an executive order the Washington Post reports yesterday

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Saturday to just have Obama sign an order taking our guns and his plan is to start a civil war

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These people are criminals. I'm sorry. Go ahead, sir

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Well, that is what's happening Alex will see the General Assembly with this vote because this is a dirty tricks vote

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If you know any history of Illinois, see they're going to they're going to bring the General Assembly

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secession in the house tonight at five o'clock

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We have the special guys if my call to be there. Hey, man, that's what the deal is

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How they pass the Federal Reserve Act with three senators?

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They're doing they're doing it just like they did at the Federal Reserve just like they did with the Federal Reserve

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What the Illinois General Assembly so that's stupid and this next clip

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Also stupid, you know remember Joseph Fair when he came on your show and he talked about how he was afraid that

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Barack Obama and his controllers would line people up and basically do away with them and remember how you played on the air

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Obama and the FBI files was ever gonna kill put 50 million of us in camps and kill us

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Yeah, Billy understand, you know, Barack Obama is a hardcore communist, but Barack Obama understands power

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Okay, why are you saying that Alex is I mean, that's just a complete lie

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He's saying that bill Ayers told Obama that and it's in the FBI files. That isn't true

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That's that snitch Larry Graf wall

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Yeah

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Who was making this stuff up who said that bill Ayers had said that in a meeting of some sort Obama has no

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Relation to that at all

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it's just a lie in a smear against bill Ayers that Alex tried to ask bill about and

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Bill explained the situation of how this is calmly information. Yeah. Yeah, this is I mean, this is absurd

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This is this is ridiculous because even the real version of it wouldn't like if Alex wanted to just report

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Whatever his very like the fake version of this. Yeah, which is Larry Graf Walt said the bill layers believes this

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Fire you could say that but now he's saying that the FBI files include bill Ayers telling Obama this

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That's just like three layers of law

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Yeah, I was gonna say when would he even have had the opportunity while the weather underground was a being

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Investigated like this. When would he have told Obama? No idea. It's nonsense. It's crazy. Yeah

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So we're gonna we're at the end of this already. This is this went quick

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Yeah, one more clip. Yeah, and it's earlier Alex misused Thomas Jefferson quote

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And it turns out that everybody kind of does that at infowars including his voiceover guy

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I have sworn upon the altar of God

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Eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man

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Thomas Jefferson, it's Alex Jones on the GCN radio network

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The context of that quote is about like being against religious tyranny. Yeah the idea of the church

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Thomas Jefferson's quote in that in the cup the proper context of that quote was about the church

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It wasn't about the state. It wasn't anything like that

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It was this is also a form of tyranny over the minds of man and I have sworn eternal vigilance against that

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Yeah, yeah, so everybody's kind of whack over there at infowars about but about Thomas Jefferson god

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I bet there are more stories of that Pennsylvania cop Oh

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Hundreds gotta be he's got to be fucking insane

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like I would I want to see a documentary on just him like with interviews of people around him because

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He's got to be fucking lunacy

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Yeah, absolutely, even it like what if the ones that don't get reported are probably the most insane ones awful tyrant weirdo

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Yeah, um, so Jordan we've reached the end of this but you know what? I feel like, you know

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We're only at like we're not very far into this

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I feel like we breezed through this episode and as such I feel like we should do something

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We haven't done in a long time. What's that? And that is I

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Realized that we have some messages

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What I we have some messages we have some messages from the from the phone

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Oh, that's right from from when we said we were gonna take calls. We've never I

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Almost never opened. Yeah, which is where the calls go to right, right

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so I never see that people have called in I feel terrible about that because people are calling in and leaving messages and

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We should pay it forward a little bit play some of these messages. Yeah now I'm interested and let's see what happens

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So if you ever come down to Gilmerton, we'll kill you

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Wow, we haven't released this one yet Kessler. All right. So here's here's a phone number. I might read this person's phone

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I don't know. Here's a message

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Hey, Dan and Jordan, it's Rachel calling from beautiful, Seattle, Washington

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Hey wanted to tell you two things one, but I recently got a bird feeder

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I really think that if all the alt-right dickheads enough you just like sat down and

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Watched the birds for a little while the world would be a much better place

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The other thing I wanted to tell you sister every time Ted Anderson is on the show. I'm picturing like

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Mitch McConnell mixed with like Doug Dimmadome

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Anyway, uh, I love your work and I love you. Bye

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Rachel I think she's right on the bird feeders bird feeders to solve the problems of Nazi

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I like it creative solutions for problems that have been going on for a long time. Absolutely. Yeah, I love it

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Why not?

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That's a good policy proposal sure

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Bird feeders for bastards. Yeah. All right. Let's let's try this again. Let's see. See we got here

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Also, we should say the phone number is five three zero neon nip

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For people who are curious if you ever want to call in

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I'm not sure if we're going to be you know have the time because generally our episodes go pretty long

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Yeah, so, you know nice occasion here. Let's see

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This is I haven't listened to any of these so I don't know they're gonna be playing roulette all the way. Oh boy

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hmm

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This one appears to not be loading. So we'll go to the next one

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Hey Jordan, guess what? It turns out that messages that are more than a month old get erased automatically by Skype

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So much for our plan

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Shit I feel like a total asshole. I'm sorry

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We hey we totally tried

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We sort of tried and we got a nice message from Rachel about bird feeder. Rachel is the winner. How can that not be a win?

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That's a win for sure

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Absolutely. Are these are the guys from in Washington who are doing the whole we're not gonna enforce the gun law that

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Washingtonians just passed are they just doing the same Kessler thing? Maybe

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They just like doing it. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know enough about the specifics

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But maybe they're Kessler rights like the the constitutional sheriff movement or whatever that is

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Well, I mean that's all mixed up together. Yeah, that's that's why Kessler tried to run for sheriff after

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Right, right, right because he's in that world of like hey, I had ultimate authority

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I was literally the only cop in this town. Yeah, I could do that again as sheriff. Why not?

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Yeah, so give me more give me more places to ruin. That's what I'd love to do. Yeah, a bunch of assholes

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Yep. Well anyway, this brings us to the end then I suppose

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So if you want to call in you can at five three zero neon nip

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We will hopefully do this again try and in more in less time than a month try and actually open up Skype

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From time to time to see what's there but it's interesting

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I mean this was a little bit shorter, but I'm glad to do something that's not about

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Present-day jump off that a little bit because it's a fucking mess

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Oh, yeah, a good way to end the week is learning about this real dickhole

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Police chief from Pennsylvania who is just a just a bag of joy that that story of him

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being passed and then like screaming obscenities at the lady and

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about to drive away and then stops because you can you can hear the wheels turning in that story of him being like I

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Bet she's not threatened enough by me

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Maybe I need to pull out a gun and make sure that she gets the message a little pass me allegedly

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Allegedly, I don't know how that case turned out

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I'm guessing well, I don't know. He might have been acquitted. I can't I couldn't tell from the article that I found. Oh, whatever

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but yeah, no, he

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just

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It's fucked up to think that like there are so many towns like that

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Yeah, and a lot of them don't have someone like him as their only cop. Thank God

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But there there's a certain percent that do you know?

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there's yes, there's certain stories out there that we just never hear and that's of like towns that have a

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fucking police chief who is a

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real power

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Hungry. Yeah and just abuses his power to I don't know whether it's in rich himself or like crush mild dissent

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Or whatever. Yeah, I mean we we talked about the corruption that went on under Joe Arpaio's

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Iron-fisted Oh, by the way rule by the way

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There is an interview that this guy Kessler did with Mike Zullo who's part of the cold case posse Joe Arpaio great

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So they do appreciate each other, right?

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Yeah, but I mean think about how long it took for all of us to hear about Joe Arpaio

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His corruption was going on before we but I think a lot of people had heard about it

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It's just no one did anything right?

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Well exactly and that's because that was a large enough place for people to pay attention to it. At least he had a fucking

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Group of police officers working with him. Yeah, her sheriff's deputies or whatever

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Yeah, you imagine all the towns where a Joe Arpaio lives, but it's just him so you never find out about it

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Yeah, you just like to imagine that everything runs well and you know

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like we have all these systems in place that are great and yeah, like stop stuff like this from happening, but

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It turns out no, there are stuff like there's things like this and that kind of sucks

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At least at least we can rest safe in the knowledge that the Chicago Police Department is not corrupt at all

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They are the best. They are so good. So we're

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Wrapping it up, but we'll be back next week. But until then we have a website. We do have a website

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Um, so I would say if we're looking through this I would say Robert Wagner. Is that his name? That's an actor

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Yeah, who is this? It is Robert Wagner. Really? Yeah, there was the councilman's name

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I had to second-guess myself. Was it actually is it actually Robert Wagner?

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It's not is it Robert Blake cuz that would also make sense. I killed a

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Councilman Robert

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Has never killed anybody as best I can tell you just strip searched

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For exercising his First Amendment rights by a crazy police chief

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But someone who has killed someone technically probably is Alex Jones Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding

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Oh Alex, I'm a first-time caller I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you