Transcript/275: December 23-31, 2012

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan!

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We're couple dudes, like to sit around,

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drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan!

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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What was the last time you moved?

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Well, just two years ago I moved into this apartment,

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actually we've done this entire podcast in this apartment, and it's an interesting thing,

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because as some people...

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Wait, hold on, did you move here recent, like just a short while before we started the show?

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Yeah.

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Like a couple of months?

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Yeah, it was very close to when we started this podcast.

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I don't think I realized that.

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Yeah, we've not done this show outside of this bedroom.

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Well, aside from two live episodes, Dan.

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That's fair.

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Two live episodes.

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Yeah, we did one in Chicago and one in Austin.

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That's correct.

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Once again, thank you to everybody in Austin.

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So it's been a little bit over two years because my leases have not always been full years

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sometimes.

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I think there was one that was like nine months and one that was six months.

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Yeah.

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It's very crazy.

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Yeah.

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But now I'm in the process of finding a new place and we'll have a new Knowledge Fight

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headquarters.

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And that brings me to why we didn't have an episode on Monday, or at least a big part

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of it is, Chicago real estate is a pain in the ass.

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No!

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It sucks.

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No!

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Moving anywhere sucks.

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Yeah.

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But in Chicago, it sucks a whole lot more.

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Oh yeah.

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Everybody knows, all the people who have apartments and all that stuff, they all know that they

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hold all the cards.

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They are in entire control of the situation and they do not care.

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Oh yeah, no.

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I remember moving into my old place maybe six years ago and I got a super great deal.

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They were going out of their way.

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They just wanted to get people in there.

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And then over that time span, they just kept raising the rent and raising the rent.

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Yeah.

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And what are you going to do?

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Cost of living adjustment, man.

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Whatever.

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Did you know that you can say no to that?

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I didn't!

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I didn't know that until just the other day.

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I know!

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I didn't even realize you could say no!

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Some guy was like, I was complaining about how old apartments that I've had have always

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had to leave because they raise the rent.

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He's like, you know, he could just say like, I'm not going to pay that much.

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How about we say 20 bucks extra?

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Yeah.

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What?

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It's crazy.

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It's crazy.

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They might say no to that, but you could, they'll often say yes, it's cheaper for them

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just to keep you in the building and they'll take that 20.

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Like what the fuck?

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Right?

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Yeah.

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I was never doing that to the point where eventually it got kind of silly.

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But I stayed there for another year because I was like, I just don't want to have to fight.

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Yeah.

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Because it is a fight.

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It's a nonstop fight.

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Yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty rough.

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Oh, do you want to know the story about how, how I got out of there?

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Oh no, go ahead.

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I tried to, I couldn't break my lease.

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I had lost my job and I had no income and I couldn't break my lease.

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So I just started finding people on Craigslist to try and sublet.

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Sure, sure.

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Um, and there were a bunch of weirdos, but there was this one, who would have guessed?

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Weird.

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But there was this one dude, um, and he was super cool.

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Uh, he was, uh, uh, this is important to the story.

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Okay.

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He was a black dude.

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Okay.

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Um, and I was like, fuck yeah, you're the guy to sublet for me.

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And he sent in his, uh, requests and all that stuff.

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And they were like, Hmm, your credit isn't good.

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Which in Chicago real estate is code for you're black.

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It can be, I suppose.

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Yeah.

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It can be significantly.

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So what I did was the guy has bad credit.

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He could have bad credit.

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He had a good job.

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He actually gave me, he actually gave me his pay stub and it was, it was all right.

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Okay.

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So maybe this is the landlords being shit heads.

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Yeah.

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It was, uh, it was all right.

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All right.

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Um, and they denied him.

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So I was just like, okay, you pay me rent now, which is against the law.

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So you just had this guy move into your place and pay you rent with that.

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Then he gave to the law.

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Exactly.

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That's a dangerous proposition.

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Not a good idea.

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And, uh, eventually somebody came around to my apartment from the real estate company

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and they saw him there and, uh, he was like, Ooh, I've been living here for a while now.

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They were like, that's not okay.

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And I kept, I emailed the guy.

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I was like, no, you could have just lied.

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Yeah.

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I'm just, uh, I'm just staying here.

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I'm watching the place while Jordan's on vacation.

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Anything.

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It's a two bedroom.

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He could be my roommate.

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There's a thousand possibilities.

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So many lies.

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Ah, well, and eventually the story was all get kicked out.

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The story was he got a co-signer and they were like, whatever.

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Fine.

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Oh, that was it.

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It all worked out perfectly.

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I guess at that point, what are you going to do?

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You know, you already got someone living in there.

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You're at your borderline squatters rights level of conversation, right?

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For sure.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, things are tough, but this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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And, uh, I don't only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.

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It's correct.

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So we had some stuff to get into and discuss, but before we do, I'd like to take a moment

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to say thank you to some people who have donated to the show and are making this all possible.

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Thank you.

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All of you.

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So first of all, Seamus, thank you so much.

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You are now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Seamus.

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Thank you very much, Seamus.

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Next, Charles.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Charles.

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You're a prince and a king, Charles.

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Next, Sarah.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Sarah.

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Thank you very much, Sarah.

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You're not going to make a Sarah smile joke?

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I don't need to make a Sarah smile joke.

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Everybody hears a Sarah smile joke.

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Next, Mike.

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Or possibly goes by cut his dick off.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Mike.

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It's my favorite thing to come out of this.

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And finally, someone donated on a little bit of an elevated level.

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And we'd like to say thank you so much from the bottom of our heart to Kevin from Poughkeepsie.

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You're now a globalist.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Thank you so much, Kevin from Poughkeepsie.

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Thank you very much, Poughkeepsie Kevin.

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If you're out there listening.

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Which would you prefer?

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I mean, he went with Kevin of Poughkeepsie.

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So I think that's kind of probably the preferred way to...

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honorific title.

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Right.

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If you're listening out there and you enjoy the show and like what we do, it would be great.

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If you decided to support what we do, you can do that by going to knowledgefight.com,

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clicking that button says support the show.

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We would appreciate it.

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It would be delightful and extremely helpful.

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Starting difficult times.

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Yeah, very, very helpful.

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So yeah, I'm moving and the process is really frustrating.

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Like you just go and you see apartments that look like they're like...

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I have been, I've been out of the loop.

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It's been a long time since I've been apartment hunting.

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Yeah.

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And I'm really starting to gain a deep appreciation for the people who take pictures of apartments

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because they make them look amazing.

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They really know how to do it right, don't they?

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It is a science.

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It is really good.

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Yeah, because you just, you see these apartments,

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they look amazing in the pictures and on the profiles online, stuff like that.

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You give them a call, you go down and check it out.

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It's like, this is dog shit.

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No, it's like airbrushing a model in Maxim.

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It's crazy.

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It's so consistent.

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I've had so many dead ends I've run into.

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I have some decent leads and I think things are going to work out.

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We'll be able to get back to normal pretty soon.

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Yeah.

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But for now, we missed Monday and this is going to be a little bit of a weird episode

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also in addition to that.

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And some of that, I got to talk about this.

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Life is weird.

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Life is very weird.

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Life is weird.

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The timing of this move and all this stuff is only compounded by what's going on in Alex's world.

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Right.

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Because last week we ended the week with an episode where we talked about Paul Joseph

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Watson leaving.

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Yes.

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And then...

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Many cries.

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Robert Evans came in and did that bonus episode of me about...

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Oh yeah.

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Again, thank you very much, Robert Evans.

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You did a great job filling in that was not even filling in.

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You did a great job.

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It was a treat.

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Fantastic.

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Yes.

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But we did that episode about Alex's Ask Me Anything session that he tried to do where

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he was having a breakdown because he knew that the next day Paul was announcing that

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he was leaving.

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Right.

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He was in a, at least my working theory is that he was in a completely emotional state,

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having a breakdown.

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He was also drunk as fuck.

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But I think a lot of that is motivated by the reality that he knew that Paul was going

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to announce that he's leaving.

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That's a high stress situation.

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The only thing that could have made that better is if Paul turned to him at some point and

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was like, hey, I was wondering, how's Don De Grand Prix doing?

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Oh, he's dead.

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Oh, well, you're doing a great job.

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Thanks so much.

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So they do that.

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And Alex knows that he has to be in studio on Wednesday because Paul's making that announcement

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and he has to be there to sort of make it about himself.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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So that's essential.

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And then Alex is gone.

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David Knight hosted on Thursday.

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David Knight hosted on Friday.

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Super bummer.

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Owen Schroyer hosted on Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday.

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Oh, that's pathetic.

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So I was trying, I really wanted to continue the story because the pieces that we saw there

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at the end of last week were so powerful and so like, this is big time stuff.

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For sure.

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And I was getting very self-conscious and feeling like maybe I misinterpreted pieces

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of this.

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Maybe it's not as big a deal as I thought.

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Right.

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And then when I look in and I try and find new stuff to cover from the present, I see

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absent in all of it, Alex.

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Alex is gone.

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He's missing an action on his own show for an unscheduled vacation immediately after

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he has a freak out during an ask me anything session.

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And Paul announces he's leaving.

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I told you he's on a galleon doing fucking opium.

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It's growing his hair out.

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It's insane.

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I don't, I don't accept the explanation that he's on a vacation.

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And honestly, I was starting to think that he might be dead.

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I don't like to talk this way.

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I was at a certain point, like I started on Tuesday, I started watching Owen cover the

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show and he looked like he was going to cry.

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Oh shit.

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Like not, not, not severely looking like he was going to cry, but his eyes were red.

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There was a reddish to his eyes and he was distracted looking all over the studio as

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if something was going to break in at any time or something like that.

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I started to get really concerned because the last we saw of Alex was a broken down

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dude.

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After all that was the shell of a man.

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After all that he had a interview with Steven Crowder on Louder with Crowder that came out.

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I really can't believe that's the name of the show.

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It's also a terrible show, but it was pre-taped.

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It was, it was pre-taped.

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So it was prior to the AMA.

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Yeah.

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Gotcha.

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And he's wearing the same outfit.

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So it was clearly right before.

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Yeah.

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Did he take a bite of an apple?

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He didn't.

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He was not nearly as fucked up.

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But so there, there, there's no real indications, no signs of him.

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And I was just imagining the worst.

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And I didn't know how any of that was possible.

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And I didn't think it was a real possibility, but I was deeply concerned by it.

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But Alex called into his own show while I went.

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Oh, okay.

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All right.

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We know he's alive.

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We've got that much.

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He's not like Don DeGrande Prix.

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Do we need to start a website like the Abe Vigoda one?

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Like is Alex still alive?

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I don't know if we would ever know if he wasn't.

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Oh, that's a good point.

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But it's been really confusing and heavy for me trying to wrestle with the present day.

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And I've been trying to, I've been reconsidering, looking at things from different angles,

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trying to figure out like, Alex isn't on vacation.

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What is he doing?

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Right.

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Like, could he have gone to rehab?

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Probably not.

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They probably wouldn't let him call into his own show from rehab.

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It's doubtful.

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I see that as working against his recovery.

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Usually they make you like, not have any contact with the outside world for at least seven days.

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Especially your own propaganda radio show that was a part of your addiction.

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So I think that's unlikely, but that's something that was in my mind.

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I thought that was a possibility.

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Yeah.

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I also thought it was a possibility that he was finally getting that surgery for his big,

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thick neck that he's talked about needing.

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Right, right, right.

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You could use it.

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But I think that that's probably unlikely too, cause he just got that bicep surgery.

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And I don't know if any surgeon would allow you to do two surgeries in a week.

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Well, not just that, but getting the neck surgery would essentially put him out, right?

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Like he wouldn't be able to call in.

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Yeah.

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He wouldn't be able to record or even really speak at length for what, three months?

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Maybe.

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But also I think if that were the case, then they would be upfront and say that that's

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what happened, make an announcement of it.

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Alex is getting that surgery, his life saving surgery that he needs, and I've seen no indication

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that that's the case.

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I don't know what's going on.

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It very well possibly could just be legal shit, and he's been so preoccupied with all

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these lawsuits.

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Possible.

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Maybe it's gotten to a point where the lawsuits are so serious that his lawyers are advising

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him not to host his own show, lest he makes some sort of a mistake.

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If you saw him on that AMA, you would absolutely advise him.

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Don't get anywhere near a hot mic.

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You can call into your show for two minutes and scream about the globalists, but that's

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it.

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Anything else could be a severe liability.

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I don't know.

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It's a weird situation for me to be in that I really don't know, but none of the possibilities

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look good.

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The only possibility that looks good is Alex took a surprise vacation, and I'll believe

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that shit for a second.

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Well, this is amazing, not just because the only person who could have filled in for him

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should he take a long leave of absence is the same person who just left him.

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Strongly disagree.

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Paul is not good without editing.

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Fair enough.

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So I don't think...

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Fair enough.

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I just mean to say that his backbench...

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The only person with a decent star quality to him.

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Yeah, his bench players are not scoring 50...

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Of course, gone.

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Roger, gone.

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They're not doing 50 points a night.

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I'll tell you that right now.

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David Knight, asleep.

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They're not the Clippers bench.

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Still recovering from his heart attack.

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Oh, man.

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Supposed to not be allowed to work still.

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Oh, hold on.

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Whose music is playing right now?

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Oh, shit.

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Oh, I hear it.

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The man who can't put a photo up.

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Oh, Rappaport?

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John Rappaport comes in to save the day.

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I thought you said music.

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I thought you were gonna go Lionel.

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Lionel's too into QAnon.

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I don't think Alex and him are super tight at this point.

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I don't think that's gonna go down.

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So yeah, man.

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I've just, you know, the present day,

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I've spent a lot of time that I have had available

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trying to put together a present day episode,

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and I just can't do it.

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There's nothing to go over.

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Like, I don't...

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Do you want to listen to 10 clips of Owen Stroyer

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talk about how the truth wins in the end?

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I don't want to do that.

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That's not a good show.

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I would like to hear one clip about how the truth wins in the end.

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Still not worth it.

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Okay, fair enough.

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David Knight being smugly old.

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Do you want to hear that?

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I don't.

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I had to listen to a lot of it already.

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I can tell you, you don't want to listen to it.

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I don't want it to be on our show.

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David Knight is the one who has the great beard, though, right?

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He has a gray beard.

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I think you mispronounced that.

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David Knight is the one who is super boring.

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No, no, no, no.

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I know who he is.

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He looks old.

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I know who he is by boring reputation.

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I just don't know what he looks like.

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He does have a beard, a gray beard.

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It's not bad.

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All right.

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Not terrible.

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Okay.

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So in addition to that, it's almost like everything is coming up bust.

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Roses.

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No, no, not roses.

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Whammies everywhere.

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Just the thorns with no roses.

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You know, trying to find a new apartment, whammy.

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Right.

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I keep going to these goddamn places.

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What?

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One of the places that I went to, I swear to God, the landlord was taking me up to see the apartment.

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I walked in.

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He's like, it's not great, is it?

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Why did you bring me here?

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Are you trying to talk me out of this?

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I'm a good salesman.

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Yeah, like what the fuck?

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What he said was, I'm a great salesman.

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Yeah, I was like, I gotta go.

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Yeah.

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So like that is a whammy.

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Not great.

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The present day stuff, I think there's a big story in here, but it's really inaccessible to us.

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That's a whammy.

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Yeah.

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Um, so I went back into the past and tried to find a way to extend the, let's do a, let's

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do a Sandy Hook investigation episode.

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We can always do that.

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The past always exists.

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The past always exists.

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And Alex is in a fucking awful holding pattern in the end.

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Because guns, guns, guns.

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Well, it's a lot of guns.

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But then on top of that, we get to, we're going to go a little bit over the period from

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December 23rd to December 31st today.

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Okay.

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We're going to finish the year.

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Yeah.

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2012 is done.

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And we're going to do it in pretty quick fashion.

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Right.

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Because there's not a lot going on.

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Metaphorically, December 21st was the end of the world.

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At least for this year on Alex's programming.

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Absolutely.

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It is a desert of ideas.

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It's a desert of interesting things.

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It's all gun shit.

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It's all, they're coming to take your guns.

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So get ready to have a civil war because they're going to start it.

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Yeah.

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It's about killing, right?

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Sure.

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Sure.

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I mean, that's the underlying message of it.

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Right.

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Politically.

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Well, it's like, no, not even politically.

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He's saying that they're going to come and take your guns.

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And a certain number of you are going to kill the police that come to take your guns.

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Well, that's just taken as read.

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That's just taken as read.

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And the civil war is what the globalists want.

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So that's why they're doing the gun grab to begin with, to

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antagonize you into shooting cops, which will start a civil war.

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That's almost all he talks about repeatedly, just over and over and over and over again

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for days.

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I'm going to step in here.

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I'm sitting here for 15 hours.

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Oh, that's not good.

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Listening to these episodes and just being like, there's nothing.

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It's a dry zone.

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Anyway, I'm sorry I interrupted you.

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I'm just saying that that's the first plan by the globalists that makes perfect sense.

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It's a it's a multi-stage plan.

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It has a lot of bullet points.

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Let's put it that way.

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On the PowerPoint presentation of that plan, a lot of bullet points.

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At least it relies on like an accurate assessment of what the other side will do if we do this.

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That is true.

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But that's because it's a plan that Alex came up with.

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It's a globalist plan written by Alex, so he knows what his buddies would do.

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So that's why it reads a little bit more accurate than when he just tries to write, you know,

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it's like a really shitty male screenwriter writing bad female characters.

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That's Alex trying to write for the globalists.

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He does a terrible job thinking of what the cabal would do, but a great job thinking about

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weirdos with guns and how they would act.

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That is, he's really tied up tight with those guys.

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Yeah, oh yeah.

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So we're going to start on the twenty third.

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And this is another piece of what Alex spends so much of his time for the next week of his

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show on.

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And it's a zero.

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On Thursday, I said to Kurt Nemo, editor of Infowars.com, I said, I want you to do a story

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on these topics and I want to put out a White House petition, which anybody can do, to call

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for the deportation of Piers Morgan.

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He did that Friday.

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It's in several thousand newspapers today.

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So Alex is called for Piers Morgan to be deported because he's a gun grab and red coat son of

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a bitch.

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I have no team, no team, no team.

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I'm going to sit this one.

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I'm going to I'm going to let this one go.

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However, the chips fall, let them as they may.

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I don't care about this at all.

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It's only interesting because Alex is singularly obsessed with this.

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Yeah, he thinks it's in thousands of newspapers.

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It is not.

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And then he spends so much time on this because Drudge reposted it.

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So like Drudge reposted Alex's, you know, the A, you got to get this petition to deport

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Piers Morgan.

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Everyone else starts picking it up because it's on Drudge.

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But Alex gets really mad about how no one credits Infowars and it's like, hey, there's

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a petition to deport Piers Morgan.

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He's like, no one says that I did it, but it's cool.

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It's cool. The message is getting out there, blah, blah, blah.

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Yeah.

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How many which country would you most like Piers Morgan deported from?

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I don't know, man.

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From America.

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I mean, right.

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I mean, he lives in America, but anybody can live in America.

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You got to deport him from a better.

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He has to live in the country first to get deported from it.

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He lived in the EU.

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Right.

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But he doesn't know he's got dual citizenship.

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In order to answer your question, you're requiring me to choose a new home for Piers Morgan so

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that he may be deported.

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All right.

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Tanzania.

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Tanzania.

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I was going to go with Portugal.

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Madagascar.

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Madagascar.

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You can't even be deported from there.

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They have marsupials.

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Yep.

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Well, I have stumped your question.

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Airtight argument.

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Absolutely.

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They have marsupials.

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So a couple of days after this, Alex realizes how much press and how much buzz marketing

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he's gotten out of starting a change.org petition to deport Piers Morgan.

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And so he does another one to get treason charges filed against Feinstein.

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Dianne Feinstein.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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That's going to be a tough one to win.

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Yeah.

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That's going to be a tough one to win.

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Again, I don't have a backer on this one.

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I think I'm going to let this one play out.

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It's really fascinating to me that he's trying to get these treason charges for Feinstein.

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I'm like, whatever.

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I'll tell you right now.

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I'm not a fan, Stein.

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That's fine.

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That's fine, Stein.

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All right.

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He...

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Different spelling.

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Alex keeps insisting that he's going to do a big expose on her.

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And he never really does, except for insinuating that she murdered her ex-husbands.

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All right. That's not number one in what I would go with.

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Could be worse, though.

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Right, right.

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I feel like if he...

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She murdered her ex-husbands?

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It's a sad display of like, she does insider trading,

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but then doesn't really get specific about any of the details.

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Right.

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Insinuating that she helped the son of Sam kill her.

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Now that's fun, though.

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Not the son of Sam.

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Who was it?

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There was another serial killer in...

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So many.

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She helped some serial killer.

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The Zodiac?

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That's it.

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Is she the Zodiac?

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She might be.

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I don't know.

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She could be. So could Ted Cruz.

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A lot of senators could be the Zodiac.

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She helped Ted Cruz back in the day.

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Yeah.

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So that's fun.

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So I think that he's just recently discovered change.org petitions

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and their potential to be used as like weapons of publicity.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so the end of 2012 is chock-a-block with him doing that.

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Just a bunch of change.org positions?

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It's crazy.

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So that's on the 23rd and then the Feinstein one is towards the end of the year,

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but we're not going to listen to him talk about it because it's basically just the same thing.

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Just replace Piers Morgan with Dianne Feinstein.

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It would be ironic if Barack Obama's change.org idea of,

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if you get a hundred thousand people, I will respond to this regardless.

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If one of those was Alex Jones would like to kick out Piers Morgan, that would be fantastic.

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Yeah.

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He didn't get a hundred thousand, right?

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I think he did.

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Did Obama respond to it?

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I don't know.

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I don't remember.

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Look, we're going to see how this plays out.

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Okay, okay.

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You know, I mean like it's whatever happens is going to happen on the show.

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I know I would just like a YouTube address,

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a documented YouTube address from Obama saying no.

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No, there's zero chance that if Obama does address it,

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that Alex doesn't talk about that for a week.

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Okay, that's true.

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If Obama doesn't address it, there's no way Alex doesn't talk about that for a month.

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Agreed.

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So we'll know shortly what ends up happening.

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So that was on the 23rd, and then the 24th, 25th, and 26th, Alex is out for Christmas break.

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Yeah.

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And so when he comes back, it's just all guns all the time.

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Just fucking gun, gun, gun, gun, gun.

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They're coming to take guns, be very afraid.

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And it's just a normal Alex Jones show.

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It is.

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It's just business as usual.

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It could be 2012, it could be 2015, it could be 2009.

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Right.

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It really doesn't matter the surrounding context other than he's panicked.

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He's really afraid about them taking the guns.

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There's an intensity to it, but it doesn't really...

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So if you played the...

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The surrounding context doesn't matter.

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If you played the clip for me, I wouldn't be able to guess the timestamp.

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It would be like, this could be now, this could be 10 years ago.

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Probably not now, given last week.

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Oh, that's a good point.

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And the fact that Alex is not in studio anymore.

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That would make it difficult.

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That would make it difficult for him now.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, it could be many, many different times in his career.

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And it's weird to listen to, because it's like...

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The rest of the world is having a conversation about Sandy Hook,

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and how important that was for people.

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And Alex is not.

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There's very little about that actual event, which is, again,

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why we're looking back at this period of time, to see his coverage of it.

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It's all just...

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So if Sandy Hook is A, he's talking about C and D,

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which is the perceived gun grab is C,

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and then the civil war that would be triggered

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because of this potential gun grab as being D.

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He's not talking about the actual event.

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And I think some of it is because it is incredibly painful.

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To be honest, there's a certain part of me that is relieved by that.

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Me too.

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Because while doing the show, when he did talk about it,

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it is so fucking shameful and harmful.

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Yeah, it's a bummer.

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That even now, while you're playing those clips,

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and we know what the dates are,

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we know how close this is to Sandy Hook actually happening,

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and you can listen to this and forget.

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You can forget that it happened only a short while ago.

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Right.

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Because we don't live in that time.

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You can easily forget while he's yelling

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about Piers Morgan needs to be deported and stuff like that.

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You forget the backdrop of this is everyone else is still mourning and grieving.

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Right, right.

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And having to go into a holiday season with that weighing over their hearts.

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Absolutely.

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Some families are celebrating their first holiday

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after the worst thing imaginable has happened to them.

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Yeah.

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So that is a real cultural moment that's happening,

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and it's barely captured on his show.

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Not at all.

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Which is interesting.

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I do agree with you that I think that it's somewhat comforting,

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because were it there, it would be awful.

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If we were to do a Sandy Hook investigation

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where every show was just the worst shit that he's ever...

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Like a greatest hits of awful things that he said about Sandy Hook,

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it would be devastating.

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I think we're gonna get there.

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Probably.

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I think we are.

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But it also is 2013.

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But it's also kind of interesting because Alex, in the present day,

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does say like,

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I talked about it and then I moved on to other stuff.

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Yeah.

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That's kind of accurate.

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No, he's not terribly wrong there.

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Yeah.

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I don't think it's a good defense.

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It is not a defense.

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Because we've already heard him on the 19th suggest that the father was an actor.

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We've already had him suggest very heavily that he believes that the government did this.

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Right.

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They went in and killed all the kids and used Adam Lanza as a patsy.

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Yeah.

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But on this December 27th episode, we get the first time that Alex makes

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a really full-throated declaration about what he thinks about Sandy Hook.

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But it's pretty much most of the coverage of it in the episode.

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Oh, okay.

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It's really one of the rare moments that it comes up.

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Okay.

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Ladies and gentlemen, this is only the tip of the iceberg, okay?

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Then you get this shooter, a convicted murderer,

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kills his grandmother with a hammer in the 80s.

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They let him go.

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He steals a Bushmaster and goes and shoots firefighters.

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Does anybody believe that?

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Just like two people are seen running away from the scene in Sandy Hook.

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And then you find a guy shot in the head and side.

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You go have a drill.

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You shoot your mental patient patsy in the head.

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You get out.

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I mean, this is the oldest.

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This is a false flag.

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This is Operation Gladio.

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You don't know what that is, media?

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Go look it up.

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We did.

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We talked about it.

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Oh, boy.

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So, yeah, that's the harshest, or at least the most concrete statement that he's made.

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That this is a false flag.

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Right.

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He's still not committing in any way to the actor's idea that he's already suggested and brought up.

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He's not getting too crazy with the conspiracies over the course of these days.

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His callers don't seem super interested in talking about Sandy Hook.

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They just want to talk about the coming civil war that the globalists are trying to kick off.

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So he's doing a good job of corralling conversation in that direction,

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which I, again, I think is really interesting.

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I think the worst thing about America in that clip is when he says,

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do you really think somebody would just steal, grab a Bushmaster and start killing firefighters?

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Someone who tried to kill his mom with a hammer years ago?

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In 2019?

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Yeah, maybe.

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In 2019?

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Yes.

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Unequivocally, yes.

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I do think that could be a headline tomorrow.

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Sure.

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And it wouldn't surprise you, right?

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Probably not.

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In 2012, I don't know if it would have surprised you too much.

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I mean, you would believe that it happened.

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Yeah, for sure.

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You believe it happened.

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It might've been more shocking, perhaps.

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It would absolutely be more shocking.

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Even in 2012, you wouldn't have the response of like, bullshit.

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Right.

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Right.

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We've already had enough mass shootings in 2012.

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Alex might have that response.

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You might have the, there's bullshit.

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It's all a false flag.

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Right.

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That's because he's a dumb dumb.

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That's true.

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So at this point, in all of the time, since the day of Sandy Hook, all of Alex's guests

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have been just gun propagandist weirdos.

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They have all been people who have either financial ties to the NRA, people who work

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for gun manufacturers.

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People like Larry Pratt has been on twice from Gun Owners for America, the advocacy

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group that's the more extreme NRA.

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Yeah, Stuart Rhodes from the Oath Keepers has been on twice.

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Like, all of these people who are just gun people have been on.

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But none of them have had weird ideas about Sandy Hook.

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Right.

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All of Alex's guests up till this point have been people who have either expressed

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condolences, this is really sad, or tried to deflect into gun talking points.

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That really is true.

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Yep.

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Isn't it?

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That's a little bit like every single person agrees the worst thing that we could do is

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address this correctly, because that breaks apart so many of our narratives.

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Well, they're still Infowars guests, so they still have that to protect.

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Fair enough.

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But the reason I bring that up is that Alex likes to say that other people were bringing

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him these ideas, and so far we've seen no evidence of that.

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No.

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We've seen only Alex letting his own mind wander and responding to maybe a blog he saw

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or something like that to get him to the, this is fake.

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And then...

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You hear him in that, this is the oldest thing in the book, this is Gladio, this is exactly

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what they do.

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That's not taken from someone else.

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That's his quote unquote research that leads him to that.

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So his attempts to pin this on other people and be like, all these other people poisoned

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by mind, it falls on deaf ears to me.

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Not just that, but his other instigators are his actual callers.

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So they're reinforcing, they're creating that same feedback loop of, he says something crazy

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and they're like, yeah, I know, I heard it was this with no, you didn't hear anything.

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Or you might have heard it from Alex.

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Yeah, well, exactly.

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Yeah.

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They heard from Alex.

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Two people running away from the school get caught, now callers are gonna call in and

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repeat that back to Alex.

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It reinforces the talking point when that's not reality.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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So we finally, on this December 27th, 2012 episode, we finally get a guest who is bringing

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Alex some weirdness, and that is Doug Hagman of the Northeast Intelligence Network.

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Right.

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He sucks.

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I told you this before, and I'll say it again, all you need to know about Doug Hagman is

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that currently, in 2019, one of the regular guests on his broadcast is Coach Dave Daubenmeyer.

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Oh, Coach Dave!

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That's all you need to know about him.

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I'm gonna call him Rug Manhag from now on.

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I have more to say about him, but I'm gonna save it for another day to do a deep dive

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on him.

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We're gonna do a whole Manhag episode.

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Maybe, because he does have a lot of content out there that's available.

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All right.

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We got a wacky Wednesday.

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So much of it is so boring, though.

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Watch a ton of it, it's very boring.

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Yeah, but that happens.

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It does, with these guys a lot of the time.

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I'm looking at you, Alan Watt!

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But Doug Hagman comes on...

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Do you mean the famous Buddhist?

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That's plural.

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Oh, that's a different one.

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Okay, sorry.

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Yeah, and Don DeGranfri, still dead.

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So Doug Hagman comes on, and he pretends that he has a Department of Homeland Security source...

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Sure.

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...who's telling him...

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Why not?

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...that Sandy Hook isn't what it appears to be.

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Ooh!

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So what, your source is saying they staged it?

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That my source would not go to that level, however, indicated that there was...

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His advice to me is research it, you will find things that are not right with it.

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Your source sucks.

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Even if he was trying to lead you in a real direction, that's...

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Which he wasn't.

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No, but that's a dumb source.

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Was the DHS even involved with the investigation?

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There's no way they were, right?

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I would imagine some parts of it might have been looped in.

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Really?

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I think it's possible, yeah.

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I think it's outside of their jurisdiction, right?

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I would assume that there is a Homeland Security aspect to it.

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I think I could see a compelling argument for, especially in the early points of it,

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when you're not sure the nature of the attack or anything like that.

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And you think there are forest people.

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Well, and...

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People coming out of the forest.

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Oh, yeah, I thought you meant elves.

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Not forest people. No, no, no. It's not the green children.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

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And then on top of that, I think one of the issues that's gotten us in so much trouble

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in the past in terms of these sorts of things is the interdepartment inability to communicate

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with each other.

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Right.

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And so the idea that someone was looped in from DHS, even if they're not actively involved,

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like if there is a piece of the DHS that's communicating with the FBI that's doing the

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investigation, they have ears on it.

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And that was part of the whole 9-11 autopsy is, we didn't communicate enough with our

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organizations together.

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So that's possible.

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And I think a ton of other examples exist beyond even 9-11 at times when if just people

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were talking to each other, a lot of trouble could have been avoided.

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Right, right, right.

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Now, I'm not positive that that was going on after Sandy Hook, but I would like to think

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it was.

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I think like the salary negotiations on Friends, like if they were talking to each other more.

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If there was oversight, if only, then Gunter could have got his dude.

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God damn it!

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Gunter!

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One of the great, great injustices of our time.

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I have never intentionally watched an episode of Friends.

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I don't think I have either.

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Yep. So that brings us to the end of the 27th.

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There's really not much there, although it is very much of note that Doug Hagman is the

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first person to enter Alex's world.

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You mean Rug Hagman?

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That's right.

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Or Rug Man Hag.

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Rug, yes.

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Rug Man Hag.

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Rug Man Hag.

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Yes.

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He is the first person to enter Alex's world with a supposedly real source who's telling

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him, Sandy Hook doesn't add up, baby.

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So he is patient zero, at least from the publicly facing part of Infowars, the radio show itself,

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of someone who is leading Alex.

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Because nobody has pretended to have an inside source yet.

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Not yet.

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And this is our first...

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Yeah.

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Doug Hagman.

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Gotcha.

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So we go to the 28th.

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Yeah.

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And much like the present day in 2019, Alex Jones is AWOL.

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But it's planned.

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Mike Adams is hosting the first two and a half hours of the show because Alex is behind the

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scenes.

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The Health Ranger?

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The Health Ranger.

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Ah!

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Alex is behind the scenes working hard on special investigative research.

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I don't think he is.

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He's not.

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It leads him to his declaration that Dianne Feinstein needs to be accused of treason.

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So that's the big reveal once Alex does get on air, and it's fucking disappointing as

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shit.

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But it's not as disappointing as listening to the Health Ranger.

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He is bad.

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Yeah, he's not great.

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Even in 2012, he stunk.

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Dear Germany, we will exchange a Feinstein for a Ramstein.

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Du hast.

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Yep.

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So, um...

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So, Dianne, Dianne Feinstein can't quite hit the meter.

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No, it's not there.

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So Mike Adams starts the show, and one of his guests is a guy who runs a Glock outlet.

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So our gun guest sort of stuff continues.

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Yeah.

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Makes total sense.

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Yeah.

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Mike Adams is also a huge gun guy, so it also makes sense that he's there filling in.

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I really don't think you can be a Health Ranger and a huge gun guy, right?

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It does seem contradictory.

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That doesn't seem...

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It's weird.

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That's ironic.

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It's weird.

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Mike is a man who contains multitudes.

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Fair.

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Fair enough.

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Bad health advice.

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Bad gun advice.

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There we go.

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Bad health advice all across the board.

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But, so he has the Glock guy on, and I'm like, that's totally cool.

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I get it.

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I mean, it's not cool, but I get it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It runs the exact pattern of all of these people.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But then he says who his second guest is, and I'm like, I don't quite understand this.

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Dianne Feinstein.

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We've also got Kelly O'Mara, the author of Psyched Out, joining us to talk about the

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dangers of psychiatric drugs.

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Okay, so Kelly O'Mara, the author of Psyched Out.

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Isn't she the...

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No, she's not the doctor who's no longer allowed to be a doctor.

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No, that's Rebecca Corey.

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Right, right, right, right.

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I didn't know who this was, so I was like, I gotta look into this.

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Gotta see what this Kelly O'Mara's up to.

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Of course.

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That's a Dan response.

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Uh-huh.

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So Kelly O'Mara is an author who wrote the book Psyched Out, and then the colon,

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How Psychiatry Sells Mental Illness and Pushes Pills That Kill.

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Oh, I thought it was more about, like, how...

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Like a head eyebrow fake?

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No, like how a crowd will hit those boomsticks together while somebody's shooting free throws.

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Or a vuvuzela.

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Yeah, a vuvuzela, that's a great psyched out.

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So she's not a psychologist or psychiatrist.

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Surprise, surprise.

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She does have a bachelor's of science in political science from the University of Maryland, which

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puts her way ahead of most Infowars guests.

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I will give her that.

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Her bio repeated verbatim on tons of websites, claims that she was a congressional staffer

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for four different members of Congress, but nowhere do they ever say who they are.

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But I'm guessing that they were whoever the four craziest people in Congress were at any

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given time.

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That's my guess.

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I have no idea.

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That's Senator James Inhofe, his speechwriter, coming back 20 years later and saying that

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it's Barbra Streisand.

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Sure.

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Perfect.

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The primary outlet that she reported for in her career was Insight Magazine.

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Insight ran from 1985 to 2008, but what the magazine is probably best remembered for is

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being the first ones to report the completely fabricated story that Barack Obama had studied

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for at least four years at an Islamic madrasa in Indonesia.

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All right.

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They alleged that someone in the Clinton campaign had provided them with that story, but the

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Clinton campaign was real quick to say, leave us alone.

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We didn't do that shit.

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Right.

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We didn't say that.

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We did a lot of bad shit.

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Not that one.

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I would say that it's entirely possible, it's within my world of believability to say that

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someone from the Clinton campaign did give them that story.

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Not impossible.

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I agree.

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That does not let Insight off the hook for not checking the story before running with

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it.

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Absolutely not.

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Yeah.

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I wouldn't put it past the shittiness of that 2008 campaign to involve trying to use the

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conservative media as a weapon.

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Yeah.

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No, we're on a good, what now?

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It's 2019, so we're on a good 12 years of the Clinton campaign staffers being shitheads.

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I mean, I don't know.

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I'm not saying that they did, obviously.

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I'm just saying that if someone were to give me evidence that they did, I wouldn't say

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this is fake news.

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Dear Politico, I think Bernie's a bad guy.

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So that was Insight who put that out in the 2008 campaign and it's lingered.

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The claim was thoroughly debunked, but it's still around in the world of right-wing propaganda.

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That Obama studied for four years at an Islamic madrasa.

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I know that for sure I've heard Alex at least allude to it fairly recently, if memory serves

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me correctly, and he refers to it as if it's something real.

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Whatever the reality about their story, their sourcing for the story is, this should illustrate

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an important point about how huge the holes are that Insight has in their editorial process.

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Oh, also Insight magazine is owned by Reverend Sun Yung Moon.

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There it is!

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The head of the Moon he calls him.

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Say it, babe, what?

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Yep.

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He owns a magazine?

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Well, he also owns the Washington Times.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Reverend Sun Yung Moon.

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That makes perfect sense.

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Along with the Washington Times and Insight, those were the cornerstones of Reverend Sun

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Yung Moon's infiltration into right-wing media and right-wing journalism.

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That's bananas.

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It is pretty nuts.

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So it gets more nuts.

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Okay.

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Kelly O'Mara didn't just write for Insight.

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She was also a contributor for the Citizens Commission on Human Rights.

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With a name like that, we know we're dealing with a straight up organization.

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All those words are really good.

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Human rights are great.

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Center for American Progress.

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Commission implies collaboration, right?

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And Citizens implies that this is an organization of the people, not the fat cats.

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Indeed.

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And I think it also, implicitly, as a right-wing news source, excludes people of color.

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The CCHR was founded by the Church of Scientology in 1969.

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Boom!

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Nailed it!

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It seems to exist.

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Put it on the board!

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Just as a front group for the church to whitewash their extremist anti-psychology messages.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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A search of the CCHR's website turns up 33 pages of articles written by Kelly O'Mara.

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And perhaps most importantly, articles written by her for CCHR dating back to before December

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2012, when this episode is from.

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By that point, insight had folded, and she was working for a straight up,

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Scientology-funded anti-psychiatry propaganda organization.

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Well, the original name was the CCHLRonHubbard.com.

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I believe that's what it was.

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CC-org HR.

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The CC-org.

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I like that.

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So I'm generally not a fan of throwing the baby out with the bathwater,

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and I try to engage with people regardless of their affiliations.

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But even I have to concede that I think it's disqualifying for anyone who wants to present

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themselves as a sincere critic of the psychiatric establishment to work for the Church of Scientology.

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Yeah, you lose.

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That's not good.

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You lose that one.

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Apparently Mike Adams has different standards and is thrilled to have this lady on as a guest

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to talk about how psych meds are super dangerous.

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My biggest issue with psych meds is that they discount sex magic as a legitimate

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psychiatric practice.

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They keep the Thetans.

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Gotta keep them Thetans doing up or down, whichever.

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Yeah.

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So I thought that was great.

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It's one of those things.

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All these guests are gun people.

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You have somebody who's now bringing...

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Because they talk about the psych stuff too.

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They talk about how these are suicide pills and Adam Lanza wouldn't have done this if

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it weren't for the video games and the pills that he's on and stuff like that.

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But they don't really have any guests on who can back that up.

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It's just claims and assertions that Alex is making, claiming these red studies.

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So now finally they get somebody on and are like, what's up with her?

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What's up with her?

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Oh, she works for Scientology.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's so easy.

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Anytime you're getting people on where it's like, oh, they're not climate scientists.

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They're not doctors.

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They're not anybody with an expertise in their field.

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They're somebody with a degree in political science.

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That's more like, oh, you have a degree in lying to people.

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I will say though, for whatever it's worth, I'm not sure that this is a positive necessarily,

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but she seems pretty passionate about this.

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She's written articles about this stuff for years.

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So whatever it is, it's a hustle that she's on.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's not just like...

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Because I was going to say, well, if you don't have someone who's an expert in the field

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and went to school for it and has made a career out of it, then they're an opportunist.

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Right.

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I don't think that she's an opportunist.

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I think that she probably sincerely believes these things.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But she's also like, I can't find hard evidence that she is a Scientologist.

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Gotcha.

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Though I will say, writing for the CCHR for years, it heavily implies that you are.

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I suspect that Scientology pays well to do propaganda for them.

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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So either, I think there's two possibilities.

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One, either she is a Scientologist and then she has a religious belief that psychiatry is evil.

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Possible.

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Or she's not a Scientologist and has written for this Scientology think tank essentially

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for at least seven years, five, seven years?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And sees fit to...

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She has to know that it's the Church of Scientology that's behind this organization.

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Right.

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And that they have a religious belief that psychiatry is evil.

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Right, right, right.

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Which if you were serious, you wouldn't want to be associated with.

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I would say, that's just my take.

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I mean, everybody needs to have butter on the bread, Dan.

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I hear you.

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So that can happen.

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Land the metaphor.

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People know where bread is buttered.

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There you go.

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She knows bread is buttered by Scientologists.

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And who cares where?

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Who cares where?

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What, are you just buttering the crusts?

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Fine.

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Do you want... No, you can't just butter the crusts.

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Look, if she wanted to take a crust buttering job, she could have her own blog.

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She needs the full expanse, man.

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Yeah.

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So that's weird, but also so...

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It's just so perfectly like, this is InfoWars.

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Simple.

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Ta-da.

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Yep.

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So there's not much talk about Sandy Hook.

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I mean, Mike Adams says that he believes...

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He's perpetuating the, this was only handguns in the school, the Bushmaster rifle was left

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in the car.

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And the reason that I'm not playing that is because he is operating off bad reporting.

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He plays an NBC clip where they have bad early information and they say that the rifle was

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in the car as opposed to once all the information was out, we know that the shotgun was in the

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car, the rifle was found within the school.

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So this reporter on NBC News is saying that the rifle wasn't in the school, it was in

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the car, and there were only handguns in the school.

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So I'm giving Mike Adams a good bit of leeway.

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At this point...

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An insane bit of leeway, but I accept that.

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He's wrong, but he's reporting on misreporting.

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Yes.

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So at least there's that.

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You're right.

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I think that you...

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Credit where credit is due if it's due.

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Well, I mean, there's so many times when I listen to this stuff and they never show their

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homework or anything like that.

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When Mike is in there, he's making this argument that goes a bad direction because it does

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end up in there being multiple shooters and stuff like that.

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Because there are four handguns, you only have two hands.

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Fair.

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Unless you're an octopus.

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That's a good argument.

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Right.

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No, it's not.

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But that's how he extrapolates the misreporting of NBC.

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But he did play the clip where on NBC News they did say that.

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Right.

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So at least...

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He has a defensible position for sure.

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Yeah.

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Can I just say that I am...

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Still doing bad reporting.

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I am always frustrated that when people bring up Bushmaster, they're talking about a gun

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and not just Crocodile Dundee.

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It is a very frustrating experience for me.

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I wish I had this whole episode to play for you because Alex brings up the real Crocodile

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Dundee about 40 fucking times.

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What?

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Yeah.

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What?

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Yeah.

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Because he's a Bushmaster.

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No, it's because Alex's narrative about the real Crocodile Dundee, which we've talked

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about in this episode of The Dollop about you can go listen to it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He's a fucking lunatic.

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Yeah.

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Alex's argument is like they tried to come take his guns and he shot some cops and then

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they killed him.

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And it's like, there's a whole beginning to that story that you're missing, Alex.

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There's more to that story.

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Yes.

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But he uses him repeatedly as an example of this is what they do.

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This is how the gun grabbers work.

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And it's just, it's shit.

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Oh boy.

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So we go on to the 30th now.

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And again, not a ton about Sandy Hook.

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Right.

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Not a lot that's interesting to our investigation.

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Right.

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Just tons of me having to listen to this shit.

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Yeah.

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But I'm glad I did because this clip is interesting.

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Okay.

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On Rogan's show recently when Alex came back on Joe Rogan's podcast.

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I remember.

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He told a little story about Satanists trying to recruit him back when he was a kid.

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They did.

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And he fucked.

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Uh-huh.

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I believe that was the thrust of his story.

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No, there was more thrusting than that.

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As you recall, that underage girl was being abused by her father as well.

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They shared.

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In, uh, in Alex's telling of the story on Rogan.

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Right.

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I've never heard him tell that story on his own show.

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Oh, we're about to get, oh shit, oh shit.

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This is from seven years ago.

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Let's get it in.

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Alex, we finally found it.

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Here we go.

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Satanism, Satanism.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I, and I've told this story before, would get taken out to a bond

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party, a, a, a, a bonfire party.

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Do you think it's possible that this is one of the times he did crack?

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Like, cause he, he has talked about being out like on a beach doing crack with attractive

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girls and stuff like that.

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I did not know he was talked about being out on a beach doing crack.

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I thought he was doing Coke.

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Meth, I think.

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Oh, he's doing meth?

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It was something he smoked.

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He smoked something.

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It was either crack or meth.

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I'm not entirely sure.

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What if it was PCP?

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No, it wasn't PCP.

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Okay.

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Um, it's entirely possible that these are the same story.

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Cause it's, it involves hot girls and a bonfire outdoorsy kind of thing.

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Right.

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It's possible.

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That just dawned on me.

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Anyway, sorry to interrupt the story.

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No, you're good.

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Our boy is at a bonfire.

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As a teenager, and it would be Satanist, and I would literally one case walked out cause

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they wouldn't give me a ride out of there.

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With police at it, you name it.

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For whatever reason, I got invited into all that over and over again.

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And let me tell you, you're 13 years old and the super good looking 16 year old chick,

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you know, driving a hundred thousand dollar sports car wants to take you out on a date.

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Believe me, buddy, you go out on the date.

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Cause I was like a 16 year old when I was 13.

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Satanists are fucking cool, man.

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I was already drinking beer fistfights the whole nine yards.

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I think that's what attracted the Satanists to me because I was a powerful person.

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I was a powerful person. The point is, is that I'm one of the few people and talk radio

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that I know of who's ever even brushed up against this.

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But that's the reason I know about it.

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And now I know that was all part of a Pilgrim's Progress that I went through.

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Nice reference.

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The real world.

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So there's some-

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Have you ever read a Pilgrim's Progress?

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Yeah, but there's some differences between Alex's 2019 version of the story and this

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2012 version of the story.

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There's no sex involved in this version of the story.

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There's no incestuous relationships that he has become aware of.

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No dad fucking his daughter for sure.

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There's just a bonfire that he had to walk home from.

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Also, I love the idea.

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Like this mental image is so funny to me.

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The idea of people inviting Alex to parties and every time he shows up,

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God damn it, it's more Satanists.

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How do I keep getting tricked by these Satanist parties?

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I keep going to parties because I'm a social guy.

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I'm 13, but I look 16 and I like to party.

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I've had fistfights. I drink beer.

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Do, do, do, do. I have behavioral disorders.

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I like to go to parties.

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Ah, more Satanists.

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Shit.

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Like the Craigslist misconnections where the guy is a cannibal and he's like,

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hey, I'm looking for somebody to eat you.

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Eat.

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And then you show up and he's like, oh no, you don't want to eat?

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Oh, fuck.

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God damn it.

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I've been doing this for like 40 times and we're just hanging out?

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Bullshit.

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Bullshit.

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Bullshit.

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I imagined it more like an entire like group prank that they're like,

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we're going to fuck with this kid repeatedly.

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He has, he has behavioral issues.

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God, that would be hilarious.

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We're going to keep like, you get like, just put on a wig and invite him to a party.

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Cause you've already invited him to a party before.

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He's going to recognize you, but not with a wig.

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Put on a wig, uh, wear black, go goth, whatever.

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Invite him to a party.

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He's going to come.

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And then bada bing, we're all Satanists.

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He's going to be disappointed.

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I'm going to say this right now, interviews with those people are

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what is going to propel our documentary to Oscar winning level.

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I think it's going to be hard because I don't think they exist.

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I feel like that interview is going to be tough.

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Oh, that is going to be tough.

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Yeah.

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When you invited Alex to your parties, were you fucking with him about being a Satanist?

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Oh, I bet we could get that interview.

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But like in terms of interviews with real Satanists that tried to recruit Alex.

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Oh yeah, no, that's not going to happen.

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I think that roster might be thin.

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That's not going to happen.

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It's interesting though, that this is

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Is Aleister Crowley dead?

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Yes.

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Oh, okay.

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The great beast has passed.

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Well, you're doing a great job.

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Thank you.

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He's hanging out with Don DeGrande Prix.

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I do think it's interesting though, that he's maintained this as a story that he's

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told about himself for so many years.

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And I think the end of that clip is exactly why it's retained as a piece of his personal

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story because he believes it gives him this like authenticity that other radio hosts

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Other radio hosts have never experienced that, have never brushed up against this.

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They've never touched Satanism so they don't know it's real.

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So I got a one up on them.

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Absolutely.

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I know what the real reality is as opposed to their manufactured bullshit reality.

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I know that there are Satanists out there who want me to come to their parties and I'm

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fucking tired of it.

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I had to walk home once.

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It's bullshit.

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I feel like Satanist parties are so much better than regular parties though.

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I would assume so.

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I mean, fucking do what thou wilt.

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That's a good party.

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That's the extent of the house rules.

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At the same time, if you're 13, I don't think you should be at that party.

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I'm not saying that there's an age...

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I don't think you should be at any adult party when you're 13.

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That is a really good point.

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I think even the most benign of adult parties you should probably not have 13 year olds

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at.

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Yeah, yeah.

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What is this, the 70s?

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Right.

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All right.

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It was a very Satanistic time in the 70s.

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It was a lot of ignoring children and letting them have parties where you're drunk.

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So we have one more clip left and it's from the 31st.

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And I think it should give a demonstration of Alex's head space.

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He's been really doom and gloom for like this entire week.

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Just real serious.

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They're coming to take the guns.

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This is code red.

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Relevant to our current times.

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Right.

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And to a certain extent, he is, I believe, trying to antagonize someone in his audience

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to do something.

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I think that there's a thing...

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Like, do you really think he's trying to get somebody to cause...

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I struggle with that question.

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And it's one of the things that...

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That's a big one.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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It feels like, yes.

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It feels like he is.

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It really feels like that.

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But I don't know how much of it's conscious.

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Like, I wouldn't accuse him of intentionally trying to get someone to cause a shooting

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or something like that.

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But it is a big sort of logical extension of his rhetoric that he's putting into the

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world.

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Like, they're coming to take your guns.

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If that is the truth and that's going to kick off a civil war, why wait for that to happen

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when you could have the upper hand or whatever?

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I mean, it is easy for one of his listeners to hear that.

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And then the other piece that is important to me is that if someone were to do that,

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were to go shoot up something inspired by this sort of, the end is coming, they're gonna

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put us in camps kind of rhetoric, it would help Alex.

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Because then his arguments that there's going to be copycats, Doug Hagman saying there's

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gonna be more.

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Well, that's what I was about to ask you is, do you think Rugg Hagman, Manhag, has the

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same intent there?

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So your argument is that Alex consciously or unconsciously.

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I lean more towards unconscious, but anything's possible.

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So he's kind of unconsciously instigating, whereas Rugg Manhag seems to be aware of his

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narrative.

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Do you think he's instigating?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I haven't spent as much time with him.

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We don't have enough Rugg Manhag.

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I get that.

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I've listened to plenty of him, but I really not enough to even second guess his intentions.

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And that question of intention is so important because if Alex is intentionally trying to

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rile up his audience in such a way that they will go attack somebody, that's really, really

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fucked up.

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If he's accidentally doing it, it's still super fucked up.

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Super fucked up.

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But it's not like...

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Legally actionable.

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Well, I mean, nothing he's doing is illegal.

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Technically.

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Yeah, technically.

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Spiritually?

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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Yeah.

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I don't like it, for sure.

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But all those arguments like Rugg Manhag is saying there's going to be another, and Alex

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saying there's going to be copycats and stuff like that, if Alex's rhetoric does inspire

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somebody to go out and do a shooting, that validates the rhetoric that he's been putting

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out, that there's going to be more inspired by this killing because the media hyped it

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so much, that sort of thing.

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And then further, inevitably, the person who did it would have internet history with tons

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of infowars on it, so the media would report on that and he'd be like, they're trying to

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demonize me before they take the guns.

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He'd be back to Mayak Report level shit.

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It would tightly sew up so much of the narratives that he's been putting forth.

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Now, that still doesn't make it convincing in my mind that he's doing it intentionally,

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but the elements are all there of there is no real downside for him if he doesn't care

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about people getting hurt.

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Right.

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He doesn't seem to care too much about people getting hurt.

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What's the Latin?

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Qui bono?

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Is that what is it?

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He has a shirt that says that.

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He has every monetary incentive for this to occur.

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I can't imagine putting myself in a place where the best circumstance for...

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Like with gun manufacturers, at the end of the day, when a mass shooting happens, their

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sales go up immensely.

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Totally.

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And when Mike Adams is interviewing that guy from Glock, they even talk about that, how

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sales are off the charts and stuff like that.

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They're even talking about that, but they're talking about it in the context of, isn't

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it great that more Americans have guns?

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When in reality, it's probably the same, maybe a couple more people getting guns, but largely,

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mostly the same people getting more guns.

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A lot more guns, yeah.

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That seems to be what I would assume the numbers reflect.

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I mean, what is it?

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They're open about it.

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1% of gun owners own 75% of guns.

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I'm sure that's not accurate, but it's close.

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Something along those lines.

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It's spiritually in the ballpark.

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It's something along those lines.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Not to be regressive.

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No, they're totally aware of it and totally open about that phenomenon and almost celebratory

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of it.

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Hiding behind the idea of more Americans are getting guns, isn't that great?

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When in reality, what they're celebrating is, we've made a shit ton of money since this

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killing.

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Exactly.

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Which is heartbreaking on its own level.

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It is.

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But still, none of it proves intentionality.

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And I think that's important because it would be very easy to hear the things I'm saying

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and get the idea that I'm making an accusation, and I'm not.

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I'm just saying that the dynamics that are at play right now, everything Alex is doing

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is super dangerous, even if he's not saying that these people at Sandy Hook are actors

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or anything like that, the other stuff that he's jumped into, the civil war is imminent,

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they're going to take your guns, that sort of stuff, is just as dangerous.

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Yeah, there's no DNA evidence, but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.

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Yeah.

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And even the Qui Bono argument doesn't really, it doesn't help me solidify anything.

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He does stand to gain.

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I didn't mean that as an argument so much as just like an observation.

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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No, and totally, I think you're right.

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The problem is that he stands to gain no matter what happens.

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Because if he makes these arguments and one of the listeners does that, then things could

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play out the way I described.

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Or if nobody does anything, great.

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If there aren't more shootings and stuff like that, Alex can then be like...

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We stopped it.

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Right.

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When they don't come and take the guns, he'd be like, if I wasn't the watchman on the wall

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screaming my lungs out about how they're coming to take the guns, they would have.

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My behavior stopped the thing that I was making you afraid of, you're welcome.

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So he wins no matter what happens with this game that he's playing.

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It's kind of incredible how good a position he is in in 2012, as he is doing such monstrous

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things.

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Or at least defensible position.

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Like he's behind a wall of plausible deniability about stuff.

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Well, and more importantly, his profile is so much lower.

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Do you know?

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, he's starting to get much higher because he's trying to get Piers Morgan deported

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and trying to get Nancy...

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Not Nancy Pelosi.

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He's not mad at her yet.

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Dianne Feinstein.

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I'm mad at her.

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Even in 2012, I'm mad at Nancy Pelosi.

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Right.

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He's doing these publicity stunts that are going pretty well for him.

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And then also, he's going to inevitably run afoul of good taste vis-à-vis Sandy Hook.

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Good taste is...

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Just because he kind of already has.

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Good taste is an understatement.

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He's going to make those legendary fumbles about it, and that will raise his profile

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a ton.

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So yeah, he is in this sort of safe space to a certain extent at this point, because

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he is.

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Which is, of course, something that reinforces his decisions up until 2016, 2017.

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Where it's like, I am in a position where I am probably saying things that are somewhat

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legally actionable.

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Right.

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But nobody's really...

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People are paying attention, but not enough people to cause me harm.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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So he's...

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And we've talked about this so much in 2009 episodes, in 2015 episodes.

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He is so unencumbered in 2012.

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Like, he's just saying this dumb shit with no fear of reprisal.

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No fear of reprisal, though unencumbered doesn't seem right.

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Because he does seem...

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I don't know if he could ever be unencumbered.

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He does seem to be on a track, for sure.

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Like, there's still something there that is harnessing him to this severe paranoia gun

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narrative stuff.

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But that's been his entire career.

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Right.

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So he's been going on and on about how they're coming for the guns, it's gonna be a civil

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war, all that stuff.

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Of course.

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And so on the 31st, New Year's Eve...

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Yeah!

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Here we go.

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This is when he celebrates the birth of Christ, I assume.

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No, that was a week before.

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Oh, okay.

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Generally speaking...

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I'm off on my Christian holidays.

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May all acquaintance be forgotten, never brought to mind, Auld Lang Syne, you know, most people

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get drunk and they're like, all the cares of last year are behind us, on to a better

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future.

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Absolutely.

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Generally speaking, there's an aspirational...

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Three wise men, Auld Lang Syne.

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That's a week before.

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Oh, okay, sorry.

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There is an aspirational quality to New Year's Eve for most people.

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You know, you make your resolutions, I want to lose some weight, I want to get back to

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being active, get a diet.

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Alex is the exact opposite.

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Here is what he has to say.

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I want to hit a man with a brick.

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Here's what he has to say on New Year's Eve 2012.

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Here we are going headlong into 2013.

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And just as I, in late November, published the Infowars magazine saying Obama is coming

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for your guns, the new issue says 2013, the year America dies.

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Ooh!

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This will be the year that they gut the entire Bill of Rights and Constitution.

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Let all acquaintance be...

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100%.

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This will be the year they slit our collective throats from ear to ear across the carotids.

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Politically.

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Across the jugulars.

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Ladies and gentlemen, this is it.

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Let all acquaintance...

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Happy New Year!

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We're all going to have our throats slit.

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He didn't even say politically.

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I did.

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Yeah, you did.

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Yeah, no.

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That is...

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Speaking literally, apparently.

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That is a delightful New Year's message.

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2013 is definitely going to be the year America dies, the Bill of Rights is gone, and they're

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going to slit all our throats and carotids and jugulars.

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I'm not going to lie to you.

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That's a bummer.

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My New Year's message for about four years running has always been goodbye to a shitty

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year and hello to a shitty New Year.

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So I'm fine with his analysis?

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No.

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I think he's a bummer.

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No.

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He's being too specific.

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But then also, even your New Year's message, as gloomy as it is, there's still a moving

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on aspect of it.

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Like last year was shitty, this year's going to be shitty too.

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But it's still saying goodbye to last year.

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That's true.

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Which there is a difference to that where this is, I knew this was all coming, it's

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continuing, and this is the year we're all dead.

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We're all dead this year.

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For somebody who hates the 1221 theory to be like, haha, I caught you.

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It was actually 113.

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I think he just kind of got really excited about being right about that not being the

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end of the world.

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He's like, now I'm going prediction happy.

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2013, we are fucked.

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It is over.

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We're getting our throats slit.

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And he says 100%.

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Yeah.

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This is not a willy nilly prediction.

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No.

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He is really feeling that.

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No, no, no.

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So it didn't happen.

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I mean, no.

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Are you sure?

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Positive.

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At this point in 2019, positive.

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How's your throat?

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Intact.

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Okay.

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Well, then I guess he was wrong.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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How are Patriots throat?

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Still intact.

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Racists, white supremacists.

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Doing better than ever.

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Okay.

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See, now that might be an issue, right?

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Oh, boy.

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That brings us to the end of 2012 in Alex Jones's timeline.

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And again, I apologize.

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This is a little bit of a shorter episode, but it was only an hour and 15 or whatever

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it is, give or take the reality of life, you know, just gets in the way.

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And, you know, we'll hopefully have a full episode for y'alls on Friday.

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Hopefully this place that I'm going to check out tomorrow will be good and I'll be able

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to get an application, sign up.

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And if that's the case, then it's just an easy, smooth move.

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Right along.

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Like getting the MYAC report removed.

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We appreciate your patience.

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And also, we will keep you up to date on if Alex shows back up in the studio.

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We got hot sauce watch, we got move watch, and we got Alex showing back up.

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There's a lot going on.

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A lot of balls getting juggled.

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You are juggling.

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I'm trying.

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So until then, until next time, we get back.

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For the record, Dan is still making the juggling motion as he is making the dismount to the

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end of the podcast.

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Yep.

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I'm a triple threat.

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All right.

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Okay.

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While you're juggling, juggle this.

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Do we have a Twitter account?

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Oh, I dropped the balls.

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Oh, no.

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It's a knowledge underscore fight.

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We also have a website knowledgefight.com.

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We do click the support to the show button.

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It would really help.

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And Facebook?

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Do we have a Facebook group?

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We do.

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It's called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.

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All right.

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And man, there's one last thing.

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Like, we're a podcast.

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We're on iTunes.

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Is that where you can find podcasts?

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So I would say, of these people that we've talked about today, Kelly O'Mara probably

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hasn't killed anybody.

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I agree.

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I mean, she's been a shill, certainly given bad advice, probably led people to not take

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medication when they probably should be medicated, which is not killing somebody.

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It's an accessory.

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That's an accessory to murder, I think.

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Right.

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But not with her bare hands.

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All right.

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Fair.

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So she's in the clear.

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But one person who technically probably has done just that is a young man who's not so

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young by the name of Alex Jones.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.