Transcript/271: The Serpent Loves Word Games

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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Have you ever been naked in public before?

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Yeah, I've been streaking, I think.

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Yeah.

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I'm pretty sure.

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You're pretty sure?

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Well, streaking is something that you probably do while drunk enough to not remember it.

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Listen.

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That's it?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Uh, this is a show where that's not what we talk about.

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We talk about how I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.

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That is correct.

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Jordan, today we have a vast departure from the last week or two of our show.

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We need a break.

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We have been doing a lot of that Sandy Hook digging in,

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and then that perhaps way too long episode about Alex being on Rogan,

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and so we need a break, we need to reset,

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and I decided it's been way too long since we've been in the world of Project Camelot,

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so that is what we'll be going over today.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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I want to say real quick, after that Rogan episode, I was editing the episode, which

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took forever, and I got a mild buzz on, and I got into a little bit of an argument with

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someone trying to fuck with me and troll me on Twitter.

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And I got really excited about it.

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Right.

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And I was like...

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You were in the right head space to be like, ooh, shit's going to happen.

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Well, I got really excited just about the actual interaction.

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And then I started to see, why haven't I focused on Twitter?

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Now you were definitely a little bit more than buzzed, if that's your thought process.

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I very rarely engage with social media and stuff like that.

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I just don't really care about it at all.

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We barely post whenever we have episodes out or anything like that.

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And I'm off all social media.

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Right.

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And so I was sitting there, I was like, this is the future.

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Like what people...

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This is the...

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Twitter's the future in 2019.

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You finally figured it out.

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That's the thought I was having.

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I am a complete Luddite.

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And it happens to me every now and again.

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I get really excited about the possibilities of social media.

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And I'm like, I'm going to be on this posting all the time.

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And so I started following some listeners who was suggesting that I follow.

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And I hope I didn't creep anybody out, but I'm never going to be posting stuff.

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It's back to me not caring about Twitter at all.

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But there was a brief window there where I thought like,

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I'm following everybody who follows us.

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I'm going to build this account.

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It was just...

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It went so fast.

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It was there and gone.

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Out of my mind.

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Yeah.

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I remember when we did the Austin show, you were suddenly very Instagram.

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On the gram.

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Insta-intogram.

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Yeah.

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I was super...

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And then I haven't posted since.

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And then it was over.

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It was there.

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It was gone.

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That is a document of our time in Austin.

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Do you have these brief flickers of like, oh, we can interact.

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We can turn this social media presence into a brand.

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Fuck you.

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As soon as I wake up, fuck you.

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What were you thinking?

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The reason I got off Twitter was because it was after a show one night.

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And somebody came up to me and was like, wow, you were really funny.

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Let me follow you on Twitter and on Facebook and on Instagram.

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And I was like, I don't really do that.

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And he's like, no, come on, man.

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You got to build a brand for yourself online.

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And I was like, that's the least thing I think I've ever wanted to do.

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And so I just deleted everything that night.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, that's to say...

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Carol quickly.

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That's just to say, don't expect that I'm jumping in and actually going to tweet.

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Probably not going to happen.

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Probably not.

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No.

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So Jordan, today we've got this Project Camelot episode in front of us.

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This is an episode where Kerry sits down with a gentleman by the name of Pierre Sabac.

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All right.

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All right.

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I'm feeling it.

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He's a bit of a guy.

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Yeah.

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I don't know how to phrase this vaguely up top, but he believes that he has

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decoded a universal language behind all language and that the aliens are fucking with us through

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our language.

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Oh.

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That's kind of his big premise.

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Okay.

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You know what?

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I think that's the plot of Snow Crash.

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I think it's the plot of a number of things.

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Yeah.

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What's his name again?

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Pierre Sabac.

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Man, that's a great name.

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He claims to be a consultant for Ridley Scott.

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But I can find...

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That's fun.

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I could find no citation on that other than his own website.

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So he's saying that alien was written with his input.

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I think it was Prometheus that he might have been involved with.

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But that's on my radar is, I'll believe you.

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I don't give a shit.

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I don't give a shit.

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Sure.

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So anyway, here's how we start the episode.

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Hi, everyone.

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I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.

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Hi, Carrie.

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And I'm very happy to be here today.

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I have a fascinating guest.

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His name is Pierre Sabac.

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And we are going to be talking about what he calls holographic culture and the secret

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hidden alien code in language.

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Very exciting.

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There is a secret alien code.

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I like it.

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We will find out.

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What kind?

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Like, how would it even work?

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I would say that it's mostly involving snakes and words that have to do with snakes.

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God damn sneaky snakes.

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That's kind of how I would describe it at this point.

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I listened to the whole thing, and I don't know.

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I think he just doesn't understand linguistics.

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That's my spoiler alert.

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That's my takeaway.

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That's a good starting point.

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That I'm going to be bringing up repeatedly.

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Big question.

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Can he speak?

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Oui.

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In language, though.

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I said oui because I think he might be French.

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But that might just be because his name's Pierre.

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His name's Pierre, so you assume he's French.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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He can't speak.

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And actually, he can speak a fucking lot.

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He doesn't let Carrie get many words in.

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He's being very rude through most of this episode.

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The word edgewise is going to be used.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So anyway, here, Pierre jumps into the proceedings, and he's going to list off some of his credentials

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and see if any of these things strike you as sounding like they're relevant to linguistics.

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I studied theology at A-level.

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I got a name at theology at A-level.

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So real quick, just because we're in the United States and we grew up in England, although

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I still think he's French based on the Pierre thing, which might be a bias on my part.

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I'm going to leave it alone.

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A-level education is done in high school.

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It's a part of college prep coursework, somewhat equivalent to, but not the same thing as AP

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classes here.

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So him saying he took a theology class in A-level, it sounds like, oh, that might have

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been something real big.

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That's a high school class.

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Well, he did get an A in it, though.

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Sure, I'm happy about that.

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I'm sure his mom liked that on the grade card.

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Just like I got an A in French when I was in high school, so I can tell you very certainly

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Pierre is French.

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If that's your only contact, like really with formal education in theology, which isn't

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even linguistics, I got some questions.

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And I did have the opportunity informally to go to Oxford to study theology.

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Informally?

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This was partly due to the fact that my teacher knew a professor and this professor was looking

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for people basically with the right credentials.

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Which are none?

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I basically met the criteria, but I decided to study fine art instead because this was

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actually my passion.

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So I worked for a number of years as a poetry artist.

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I got an agent and I kind of exhibited within London at St. Martins.

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It didn't really turn out too well.

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It's very difficult to make a living as a portrait artist.

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Because aliens were fucking snapping.

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It's a lot more easier for creative people to make a living now basically with the advent

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of the computer age.

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But then 20 years ago it was extremely difficult.

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So then I did a teacher training course and I taught fine art and I did this for about

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eight years, but increasingly I became interested in occult symbolism so I decided that I wanted

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to leave my job and focus full time on writing.

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So he wanted to do that?

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This makes no sense, man.

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So I found him to be a really interesting cat, this dude.

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Because you try and figure out who are these people behind the presentation that they make.

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Who are they?

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And he's just trying to figure out what the words in his bio even mean were flummoxing

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to me.

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You know, he's presenting himself as an expert in secretive linguistics, which makes sense

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why he'd try and make everything as sort of elusive as possible.

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Of course.

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He'd use secretive linguistics in the way he's framing things.

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Exactly.

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Like even you responded to, what does it mean to be informally said when you come to Oxford?

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Right, right, right.

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If I understand his story correctly, he was asked informally to come to Oxford because

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one of his former teachers knew a professor and they were like, we need somebody with

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the right credentials not to be in Oxford.

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No.

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And those credentials, I assume, were being a friend of a former teacher that the professor

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knows.

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Theology, A-levels.

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Yeah, what are you talking about?

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So Pierre refers to himself as a quote, scholar on ancient languages.

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But even by his own telling of his academic story, he has a degree in fine art, specifically

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painting, and that's it.

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He claims he studied theology and had an informal offer to study at Oxford, which makes no sense.

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And even if it did, he's saying he turned it down.

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It really doesn't look like Pierre has actually studied any of this stuff in a formal setting,

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which is a huge problem because ancient languages are infinitely complex.

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And even scholars who dedicate their lives to studying them often disagree with some

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of the finer points about etymology and syntax.

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If you read his bio, he claims that he turned down this offer to go to Oxford, instead choosing

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to finish his degree in painting and art history at the University of Wales.

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Interestingly, the University of Wales isn't really a university as we understand it.

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It's a system of universities spread through Wales.

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For instance, the biggest schools in the system are Aberstwyth, Bangor, and Cardiff.

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And a graduate of one of those would likely say that they got a degree from Cardiff, for

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example, not the University of Wales.

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This may just be an example of him putting it really weirdly, but I find it a little

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bit suspicious.

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I decided to let it slide since it's a degree in painting and art history.

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So even if he's telling the truth, it really doesn't matter.

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He probably does have a degree in painting.

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Yeah.

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And I'll defend him saying University of Wales because he's talking to Carrie Cassidy.

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He's talking to a more American.

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Oh, it's in his bio.

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Okay.

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So he did not graduate from anywhere.

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Possibly.

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I mean, the way I look at it is like you could say the University of Missouri.

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And when you do, you're referencing the University of Missouri Columbia.

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Right.

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Because that's the main campus of the university.

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But there is a university system.

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Like there's a U.M.

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Rolla, there's other satellite campuses.

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Yeah.

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And if you graduated from the University of Missouri at Rolla, you'd probably say you

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got a degree from M.U.

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Right.

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Well, you know, I don't know.

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It's not like many people would say I graduated from the University of Miami, Ohio.

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They wouldn't, you know, they just say University of Miami or they say University of Miami,

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Ohio.

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Usually the latter.

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There's no.

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And the reason I stopped myself there, and I think my example is bad, is a lot of those

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other satellite campuses are specific to a certain thing you're studying.

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Okay.

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So like one of the satellite campuses will have like a really good Ag program or something

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like that.

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Right, right, right.

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And it makes sense that it's in a different place.

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So if you have a degree from there, you would say I went to this school and I got that specific

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degree from that school.

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Right, right, right.

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So maybe that's even a bad example.

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I don't know.

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I don't care to spend a whole lot of time on this, but I just thought it was weird because

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that's not a specific school.

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So also in his bio, he says he was a member of the Institute for Learning, which I suppose

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is to bolster his credentials because that sounds like a really brainy outfit.

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So I could see him wanting to put it in the resume.

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I really think that's probably like preschool education.

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Dude, you're so close.

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Really?

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Well, not preschool, but the IFL is an organization that does not exist anymore and really only

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existed between 2002 and 2014.

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And its stated goal was training teachers to be better able to teach.

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It's not an instance of someplace where he could have learned the languages or got credentials

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in linguistics.

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It's more an indication that he was probably on a track to become an art teacher, which

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he described in that clip.

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Yeah.

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And in the early 2000s, that was his plan and it didn't work out.

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To further reinforce this idea, he claims to have been a member of the Institute, which

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is a specific level of their organization.

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And in order to be accepted as a member, according to their stated criteria, an applicant would

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need to have a diploma related to teaching and specific formal teaching qualifications.

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In order for Pierre to have been a member, his educational path after his art degree

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would likely have had to have been in teaching.

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This is further bolstered by the claim that he holds a, quote, postgraduate certification

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in further and higher education, which can, if you're not paying attention, sound like

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I have a postgraduate degree in some form of higher education.

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But no, it's a degree in education.

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Right.

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So he was on a teaching path and then decided, I don't want to do this.

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I want to fucking talk about aliens and I can read words.

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Yeah.

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So whatever.

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As he presents himself now, Pierre is a leader in the field of scaphology, which is described

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as, quote, the study of angelic vessels through religion and mythology.

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I'll go ahead and admit that he is a leader in that field, considering he made the word

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up.

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And he's the only person who claims to be an expert in it.

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Is that the thing that you walk under whenever they're...

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That's scaffoldingology.

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That's scaffoldingology.

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Slightly different.

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All right.

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And probably a real thing you could study.

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Also in 2010, Pierre Sabac was a guest on the overtly Nazi-leaning and white nationalist

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show Red Ice Radio.

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Unfortunately, their shows are behind a paywall, so I didn't get a chance to listen to it.

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But the description of the episode includes this, quote, we discuss Zionism, Aryans, the

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connection to Mars, ritual sacrifice, or the origin of the idea of a Holocaust.

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That doesn't make me feel great.

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If you're going on a Nazi-sympathetic show to discuss, quote, the idea of a Holocaust,

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I'm pretty comfortable assuming you don't think it was a real thing.

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That's not good.

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Or at least you got some questions about it.

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That's not good.

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They're real lucky those shows are behind a paywall, because I might savage some of

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those shows.

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Oh, man.

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And there's no way.

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I'm even going to create a fake account to get in there.

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Oh, good God.

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Yeah.

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So this guy seems like he doesn't have any credentials to be saying the things that he

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does about linguistics that we're going to get to in a little bit when he starts to get

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into more of the specifics.

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He seems like he's someone who may or may not have been a fine painter, has a degree

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in painting and art history, wanted to be a teacher.

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His portrait painting business wasn't lucrative because the internet wasn't around.

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You know what is lucrative?

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Talking about weird shit.

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That's a great career path.

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It is.

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That is a really great career path.

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There's something I respect about that in terms of the same way that you respect the

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small-time grifter.

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Yeah, the small-time grifter.

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Yeah.

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That's a, if not honorable, somewhat noble profession in American history.

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Yeah.

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And it takes so much courage.

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I couldn't just quit my job to go talk about weird shit.

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Maybe you should.

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You're doing half of that now.

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Technically, I am just still working my job and talking about weird shit.

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Fair enough.

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Yeah.

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So this is where I found myself actually becoming interested in this episode because before

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this I'm like, eh, this guy just kind of seems like he's got a weird but fairly common path

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of these sort of con people.

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Yeah, he's got a telescope.

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It's sort of a late career change that a lot of people make is like, shit's not going well.

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I'm going to pivot into this weirdness because they know that there's large communities of

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people who are very suggestible, fairly gullible.

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And I mean, I don't think Pierre is bad with the word.

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No, no, no.

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He's pretty good at making bad points.

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I don't think he knows how to read Sumerian.

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Well, of course he doesn't.

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There's like six people on the planet who know how to read Sumerian.

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This is where I became interested because Pierre in this next clip reveals what got

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him off his path from being an art teacher into being this guy.

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None dare call it a conspiracy.

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Granted, he doesn't say that this is what got him off track, but if you pay close attention

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to the sort of subtext, you'll see that is exactly what he's saying.

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Angels don't dance on this pin.

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No, but it is another book.

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Now, there were a number of interesting authors that I found very fascinating, which inspired

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me to research into the subject of aliens and how we would define what an alien actually

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is.

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So there was the academic Robert Temple, and he wrote the serious mystery.

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And I found that this was a very persuasive argument in terms of the ancient alien hypothesis.

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And I think certainly in terms of ancient aliens, his book really hasn't been better.

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I mean, I think my book studies ancient aliens and this is another book, but until my book,

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there was no other book on the subject.

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Damn, taking shots at Robert Temple.

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Until my book came along, it was nothing better than this guy.

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A little petty, a little narcissistic.

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I like it.

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I like it.

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So have you ever heard of this?

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The serious mystery?

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No, is that about how Sirius XM came to be?

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It is not.

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I wish it was.

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That wouldn't be a bad book.

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So the serious mystery is a book published by Robert Temple in 1976.

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The book argues that a tribe called the Dogon in the African nation of Mali has had communications

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with extraterrestrials from the serious star system and continue to up till present day.

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I like it.

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These aliens from Sirius taught the Dogon about culture and art, which they then transmitted

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across the globe, creating the mythologies of Egypt, Greece, and all other cultures.

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That's fun.

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That's the seed from which all these cultures spread.

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Again, black people cannot do stuff without aliens.

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It has to be aliens.

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It has to be something.

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There is that subtle racism that deserves to be pointed out.

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They could just be good at stuff.

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You can let it.

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So it appears that the evidence that the Dogon were talking to star people was that anthropologists

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who visited them were surprised to learn that the Dogon people were aware of the existence

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of the Sirius' companion stars, which they shouldn't have known about, since Sirius B

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and C are white dwarfs and are essentially invisible.

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So they wouldn't be able to tell that those stars existed, but they knew about them, which

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people in other cultures did know about, but they shouldn't have known about.

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And there was no real way to make sense of the fact that they did.

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Is that because they were relatively uncontacted?

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Like they were isolated?

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Up till a certain point, yes, they were.

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Yeah.

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So this was not information that Robert Temple came to by visiting the Dogon or knowing anything

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about them.

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He learned about this star wisdom that they had from reading a book called The Pale Fox

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by Marcel Gruell and Germain Diertellain, a pair of French anthropologists slash ethnographers

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who studied the Dogon.

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Gruell tells an amazing story of being initiated into the secret teachings of the Dogon, who

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told him of these invisible stars in the Sirius system, which they called Sigutolo.

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It's a great story.

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And really, if you look at the world at the time, it's super unlikely that they picked

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up this information from past visitations from other cultures, because like you were

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asking, they were fairly uncontacted up to that point.

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And the people who had come did not appear to have the information that they were relaying

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to these French ethnographers.

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Right.

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I kind of don't... I don't like that because that suggests that there isn't any kind of

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oral tradition from prior to any number of things occurring.

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Like it is... I don't know.

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I don't know how to actually...

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You're imagining that I'm not going to destroy this.

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Okay, I was about to... No, I didn't know if this was going to be a thing.

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I was about to...

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No, this is all bullshit.

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Okay, fine.

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I don't believe it.

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No.

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I didn't believe it to begin with.

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This is just how they presented this stuff.

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This isn't true.

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So unfortunately, in 1991, anthropologist Walter van Beek led a team to live among the

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Dogon, ultimately spending a full decade living with them and learning about their culture.

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On day one, they were offered a Coke.

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He found that a whole lot of the things that Griell and Der Talen were saying, and people

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had accepted as fact, were super suspicious and likely made up.

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He wrote this about the Sirius idea.

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Quote, though they do speak of Sigutolo, interpreted as Griell as their name for Sirius itself,

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they disagree with each other as to which star is met.

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For some, it's an invisible star that should rise to announce the Sigu, or the festival,

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like a holy festival.

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Okay.

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For another, it's Venus, though in a different position, appears as Sigutolo.

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All of them agree, however, that they were told about the star from Griell.

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Oh my God!

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Fuck off.

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you, Griell.

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Why would you even tell them about the star?

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Well, I think that there's actually an interesting wrinkle to this.

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I think we're going to get to it here in a second, because I'm not sure he meant to.

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Okay.

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I'm not entirely clear about that.

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It's tough to nail down that, and he's long dead, so...

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Right, right, right.

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I assume that he, like, walked away from the main camp, had to pee, started singing the

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classic Sirius song.

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Maybe.

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Yeah.

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So the basis of this story is complete shit, but it should be pointed out that it's very

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likely that the French dudes didn't do this out of any actual evil intention.

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It's most likely that they asked the Dogon leading questions and misinterpreted their

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answers, because their reporting on the study wasn't overly sensationalized and initially

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got very little attention when it was published back in the 1930s.

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Either way, it's complete nonsense, but that didn't stop Robert Temple from using it as

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the centerpiece of his book, arguing that the Sirius aliens were at the root of human

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civilization, and his book has been a big piece of alien canon ever since.

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Ah, gotcha.

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Gotcha.

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It should be noted that Robert Temple began working on the Sirius mystery in 1967 at the

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age of 22.

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His then mentor was a man named Arthur Young, who actually invented the Bell helicopter,

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but was so disgusted by the invention of nuclear weapons that after World War II, he completely

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dedicated himself to the real weird paranormal stuff.

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I like him.

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Uh...

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He seems alright.

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Eh, I mean, he's the reason a lot of this stuff is around, so I don't know if I like

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him for that, but he's a crazy dude who invented...

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You invent a helicopter, and then you find out people build weapons that will destroy

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humanity, and you're like, fuck it, aliens.

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Yeah.

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Like, that seems like a reasonable way to go.

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In 1952, Young established the Foundation for the Study of Consciousness, and there

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he would meet Young enterprising Robert Temple, who would go on to become a secretary for

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the organization.

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Right.

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Robert Temple did get an A in theology at his A-levels, yeah, yeah.

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Arthur Young was super into the idea of the Council of Nine.

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In these paranormal conspiracy worlds, when you hear about someone channeling alien information,

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the Council of Nine is very often mentioned, where they're generally characterized as nine

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powerful alien beings from Sirius.

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Of course.

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And often have some sort of, like, creator deity emotions attached to it.

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Naturally, naturally.

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That sort of thing.

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Right.

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In 1952, the year he opened his foundation, Young was one of nine people who attempted

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to make first contact with the Council at a gathering organized by Andrea Puharich.

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Puharich was a bit of a paranormal hype man, and is most notable for introducing the world

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to Uri Geller, claiming that he had hypnotized Geller, at which point he was informed that

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Geller was the chosen savior of mankind.

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That's nice.

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Working for an entity known as Hoover.

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Also, Geller could apparently teleport.

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Right.

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This stuff is true.

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Is that how he got on the Tonight Show so often?

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That is.

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Oh, okay.

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Also, Geller...

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They didn't need to buy him airfare.

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A lot of the stuff that Puharich would come out and say about Geller, like, that he had

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come up with while he was hypnotized.

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Yeah.

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Geller would be like, I don't know about that.

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Even he was kind of like, I don't know.

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I don't know if I want to be known as the chosen savior of mankind from an alien race.

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That's not too bad.

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Or some shit.

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I just love it.

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I love a good, like, Council of Nine.

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Like, you gotta love a good name like that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's pretty good.

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It's so good.

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It's a very pervasive idea.

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Oh, yeah.

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You can buy anything if it comes from the Council of Nine.

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Not just like, oh, these aliens talk to us.

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No, it was the Council of Nine.

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It was the Melchizedek Order.

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Yeah, perfect.

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Yeah.

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Fuck yeah.

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Ridiculous.

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Templars!

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So that was in 1952.

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At 13 years after this gathering, Young would tell a 20-year-old Robert Temple about the

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French anthropologist's findings with the Dogon people, and almost certainly added a

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little bit of his own wacky spin to it.

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People who have studied the supporting documents and the book Temple ended up writing have

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concluded, based on how weak it is on evidence, that he must have been writing it to please

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his boss, Arthur Young, who was a bit obsessed with the aliens from Sirius.

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Hey, hey, man.

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Hey, I wrote this book for you.

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You want to design me a helicopter?

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He's a young 20-something-year-old enterprising young guy who's hanging out with the inventor

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of this helicopter, and he's like, my boss loves fucking Sirius aliens.

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He's told me about this article about the Dogon having contact with aliens and creating

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civilization.

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I'm going to fucking reinforce it in this book.

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Right.

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So Temple, by brown-nosing his way into a helicopter, wound up creating an entire fucking

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mythology behind these assholes.

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He wasn't alone in it, because there's still Eric von Daniken and shit like that.

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A lot of those people...

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I don't know exactly how the timeline works, but it's not like...

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Well, neither do they, because the aliens control it, Dan.

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But it's not like he's singularly responsible for a lot of this stuff.

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He's just a piece of it.

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He's a big tendril.

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All that's bullshit.

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So that might make it a little bit of a surprise to learn that, on the cover of the Sirius

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mystery, there's a promotional blurb from Isaac Asimov that reads, quote, I couldn't

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find any mistakes in this book.

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He did not write that.

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He did.

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Did he?

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He did.

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As like a piece of literature?

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I know that Asimov doesn't have the best track record, at least not perfect.

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Do you mean with sexually assaulting people anywhere near him?

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But this seemed like too much.

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It's a little bit much.

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A little bit much.

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It turns out Asimov later clarified what was going on here.

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Quote, he sent me the manuscript, which I found unreadable.

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Finally, he asked me point blank if I could point out any errors in it, and partly out

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of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very

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little of the book, so the answer was true.

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I said I could not point out any errors.

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He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion.

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I'll just have to be careful hereafter.

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That is perfect.

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That is a perfect story.

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But it also speaks to Robert Temple's manipulativeness.

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Like getting that blurb on the cover of the book is obviously lending his work false credibility.

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Well done.

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Yeah, so he's a con man too.

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Yeah, no, that's a good grift.

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Everybody's conning.

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That is a good grift.

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So Robert Temple wrote a shitty misleading book to suck up to his boss based on misinterpreted

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anthropology put up by incredibly incompetent Frenchmen, and that is what Pierre Sabac cites

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as a major influence in his life, and that he says the book made a good argument.

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This guy is super dumb.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Isn't that great?

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Isn't that a great story?

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Also, I really like...

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That's the kind of story that gets me excited.

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Yeah, I know.

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That's a great one.

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I really like Asimov's clarification there because it's not like, how dare he use this

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quote?

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It's more like, you got me on this one.

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It's introspective.

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You win this one.

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Yeah, it's like, I fucked up.

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I'll be more careful in the future.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I technically did say that.

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Yep, yep.

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It's way out of context.

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You win some, you lose some.

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My bad on this one, guys.

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Yeah.

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So that's a delight.

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And now we get into other influences that Pierre Sabac had, and one of them obviously

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is David Icke.

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Of course, of course.

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He's the powder familias of a lot of these sorts of things.

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Somewhat omnipresent.

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Yes.

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Ubiquitous.

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But Pierre has an interesting criticism of David Icke.

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I also, around, probably around 2000, I came into contact with David Icke's work, and I

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found his research absolutely fascinating.

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But again, I was a little bit dissatisfied with his work, not in terms of what he presented,

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because I found that this was very fascinating.

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But he had a lot of sources which presented circumstantial evidence.

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Oh, did he?

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Oh.

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Oh, did he?

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Circumstantial evidence.

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I want primary sources, Dan.

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That's fucking awesome.

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Circumstantial evidence.

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I love anybody on one of these episodes, these Project Camelot dicks, just being like, that

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guy, look, I agree with a lot of the stuff he's saying, but he was not rigorous in his

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method.

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Fuck off.

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You know, I thought he was really at the forefront.

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You know, his book about lizard people running everything, unparalleled, until I wrote my

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book about lizard people writing everything.

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He might as well have said something along those lines.

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Exactly.

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So he, like we've already I think firmly established, is someone who might be a good painter, but

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has no business or formal education or training in the world of linguistics at all.

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None.

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But in this next clip, I didn't want to include all of the, like, times he just rattles off

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words, and I can't chase down all of these.

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But when he starts bringing up -

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Dog.

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Ark.

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Dog does come up.

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Nail.

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Dog comes up.

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Wednesday.

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I can do it too.

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When there are instances that he talks about Greek stuff that I actually know something

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about, we can talk about those.

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Yeah.

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But I wanted to include this as just sort of a cross-section of what it's like listening

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to him talk about his work, because it's -

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It's filled with petty shade.

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No, not, I think he's through most of that.

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He's through most of the petty shade.

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I think he's gotten through most of that.

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Okay.

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But this is just like, listen to this, and just, it makes me uncomfortable.

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Now, polyglotical symbolism does indeed prove that there is a universal grammar, and I think

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it's probably here useful for me to explain what a polyglotical symbol is.

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So, for example, in different or numerous languages, you have paranimacy.

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Paranimacy is another word for a wordplay.

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So you have wordplays which repeat in many different languages, and I can give you a

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few examples of these wordplays.

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So for, in English, you've got the word God, and that's the reversal of the word dog.

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Nailed it.

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But you find the same wordplay also in the Latin.

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Lato is a polo, which is God, which was the Roman God.

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And then you've got latro, which is a bark, again, within the Japanese.

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Kami is a god.

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Oh, Kami is a wolf, again, within the Arabic.

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Awa is God.

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Awa is to bark.

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We'll deal with -

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So all gods are dogs?

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Is that what he's -

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I guess so.

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Is that the point he's trying to make?

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I guess so.

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I'm not entirely sure.

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But we'll get to what he's doing a little bit down the road.

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I can explain exactly why his thinking is very wrong.

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But when I started listening to this episode, first of all, I love that Robert Temple stuff.

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And I'll never take the opportunity to talk about stuff like that.

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But then I started to listen to him just rattle off these words and make connections between

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them that are ostensibly trying to make a larger point that isn't there.

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That doesn't make any sense.

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And it really reminded me of when I was fairly young, I checked myself into a mental hospital

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because I was really depressed and I was going through the shit.

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And I checked myself out of it because the people there refused to let me change rooms.

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And the roommate that I had in the room I was in was someone who was like,

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he would always be carrying around a dictionary and yelling at me

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about various words that he found to be related to each other.

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And I'm not saying that Pierre is in the same boat as him,

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but this is a preoccupation that some people have that's rooted in mental illness.

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Like the idea of connections that don't exist being something that's super important.

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If you don't realize it, it's hidden and it's hidden intentionally.

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No, the aliens came up with the word Wednesday and they put wed at front of it,

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which is why all weddings need to happen on Wednesday.

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It's obvious, Dan.

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It's that level, but with anger behind it.

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Or at least the time that I'm referring to, there was that anger behind it.

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There's certainly a little bit of a hostility behind what Pierre is talking about,

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if only because he won't let Carrie talk, which is a little rude.

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And then because of what's behind it, it is the idea of like usurping

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ruler aliens that are dominating the planet.

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There is an anger that he has towards them in his like,

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I've cut through their code, let me free you.

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Oh, so he's mad at them.

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He doesn't like the aliens.

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No, well, not the reptilians.

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Well, of course the reptilians are bad.

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Raptors don't come up.

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That's disappointing.

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There are dog aliens that are now in play.

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But they are also gods.

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I don't fucking know.

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They get such a tertiary mention that I don't even have a clip of it.

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Carrie just mentions that there are dog beings.

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Like I'm, I'm, I like that.

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I like dog beings.

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I want a dog being.

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They're a human being's best friend.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I, I, I like any kind of like when they just throw in something that you're familiar with

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and they're like, ah, that's also an alien.

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Yeah, no, but that's what they all, everything.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Everything.

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Think of anything there are fucking aliens.

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What about seals?

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Obviously there are seal aliens.

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All right.

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What about bigger dogs?

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Bigger dogs.

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Yep, absolutely.

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What about small dogs?

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Small dogs, teacup dogs.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Little ones that you can fit inside a purse.

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There are little purse aliens.

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There are little purse aliens?

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What about purses?

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There are alien purses.

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Oh, now that would be fun.

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Uh huh.

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I would like to talk to my little purse.

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Yeah.

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Fanny packs?

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It's just nonsense, but I got that sense from him or I got that same feeling and maybe it's

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just because I had that experience that I evoked it.

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Yeah.

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But I did get really creeped out by listening to him just prattle off words.

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And, and I'm telling you, there will be more specifics later where I will explain why he's

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wrong about them and then explain on a larger sense what he's doing with linguistics that

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if he studied linguistics, he would know is bad.

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Yeah.

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But it just, it just is, it just feels like someone who is a little bit, a little bit off.

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Yeah.

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A little bit, a little troubled.

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I'm going to throw this word out there, Dan.

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Right.

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I don't know if there are aliens about this one, but I'm going to go with coincidence.

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Oh no, some of it's not even coincidence.

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Some of it's way easier to explain than that.

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Oh, okay.

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But in this next clip, a lot of the larger mythology, you take the linguistic part of

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it out of it.

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A lot of the larger mythology I think can come down to a misunderstanding of something

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very specific.

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And in this next clip, I think Pierre let's slip what that thing is.

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Reality?

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Within the biblical and apocryphal traditions, you have two creations.

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You have the first creation, which is the aeon, which is the expression of spirit into

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matter, which was the creation of the original anthropos.

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Now, the anthropos encodes specifically three types of races.

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One is the seraphim, or the reptilian race.

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The other is the cherubim, or the proto-human race.

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And then you have the jinn, which is a psychic race, which is related to the Ruach Elohim,

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the high spirits.

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So this is essentially the anthropos.

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Now, the anthropos was corrupted by the demiurge.

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The demiurge is the public workman.

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Demiurgos, which is the public craftsman.

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The public craftsman is really another word for a genetic engineer, because he engineered

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the public, he created mankind, and this essentially was the form of the anthropos.

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He's just basically co-opting gnostic ideas and completely misusing them.

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I can see where he consulted on Prometheus.

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That has a lot of bullshit like that in it.

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Well, but all it is, is like someone who took theology in high school's version of Gnosticism.

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Yeah.

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There's just like, you throw in the anthropos and the demiurge, the idea of the aeons and

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stuff like that, the first creation being that realm, and then the barbello coming in,

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and earth is the secondary creation that was created by the demiurge.

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That's a lot of stuff that's very complicated and is very frequently misused by people in

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these worlds.

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This is such an example of Douglas Adams' way of viewing these people whenever they...

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These people are interviewed and they're always like,

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okay, I'm going to take something you know, the Bible, and I'm going to add this thing

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that you really probably don't know, but it's the same thing that you know.

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So it's the biblical apocrypha.

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Well, you even mentioned apocrypha.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's not what this is.

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No, no, no.

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And then he goes into, well, in the biblical apocrypha, there's the anthropos.

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And let me explain to you what the anthropos is.

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And then that is also this and this and this.

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And then this is another thing that you don't know, but it's what the...

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And then there was the Elohim and the...

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And so the whole thing that I'm saying is absolutely nothing, but it's stuff that you

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already know that makes me sound smart because I'm saying it differently than you.

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You know enough of it to know that it sounds like I know something.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You don't know enough to know I'm full of shit.

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I'm going to take the words that you know, I'm going to create new words about them,

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and it's going to make me sound smart.

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Yeah, so in this next clip, we learn more about that anthropos, which is just the Greek

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word for man, but...

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Oh, I thought it was the anthroposy, which is the Greek word for tombstone with Wyatt

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Earp.

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That is not correct.

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Oh, okay.

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This next clip is also not correct.

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Okay.

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And in this next clip, Pierre explains the path that humans have taken to coming to Earth.

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So really when we're talking about the Adamic man, we're really talking about the Martian.

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And I think this is interesting, and it's really important to understand this.

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Now, obviously Mars was destroyed, and there was complete annihilation of that planet.

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My understanding of this, and this is picked up upon in the Zoroastrian traditions, is

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that the seed of man was taken to the moon, hence the esoteric signifier of the man in

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the moon.

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No!

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The word plays are found in the Greek Semele, which is the moon goddess, and Simeon, which

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is an ape.

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This dude is so annoying.

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The moon was transferred to the moon, and then was transferred to the Earth, which is

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the second creation.

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So yes, there was a war in heaven.

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Okay.

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What?

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So yes, there was a war in heaven.

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We have established there was a war in heaven.

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Mars got destroyed.

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Of course.

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Man was brought to the moon.

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Obviously.

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Man was brought to the moon, as evidenced by the term...

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Normal saying man on the moon.

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Right.

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There was a fucking Jim Carrey movie, man.

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It's regular.

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It's normal.

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Totally normal.

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Because of aliens.

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And then so after the moon, the man came here.

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I'm not sure why you had to outpost on the moon for a little while.

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Not sure what the point of that was.

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Well, I mean...

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If you're coming from Mars to Earth, you don't need to refuel on the moon or anything.

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Says you.

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That's absurd.

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That's absurd.

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If you make that long of a trip, you're going to stop over.

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That's crazy.

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Well, okay.

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So if you are going from Mars to the Earth...

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That's like driving from Los Angeles to Columbia, Missouri, and you stop off in Jeff

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City on the way.

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All right?

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Jefferson City.

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But cool people from Missouri call it Jeff City.

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He's not saying where everybody is in their orbits, you know?

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It's like maybe they left from Mars whenever Mars was closer to the moon than Mars was

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closer to the Earth.

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You make a good point.

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See?

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There you go.

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All right.

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Of course you gotta stop.

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I stand corrected.

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Depends on where Jefferson City is in its orbit.

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Now, how about throw this one on there.

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How do we even know the moon was orbiting Earth at the time that this occurred?

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A lot of people don't think the moon is real.

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Let alone the moon landing.

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Just the moon itself.

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Just the moon itself?

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It's a hologram.

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Is there a problem with that?

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I don't know.

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Are we talking Eddie Bravo?

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Why hasn't Eddie Bravo been on Project Camelot?

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That is actually a really great question.

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I'm sure he would accept that book.

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Oh, for sure!

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We gotta start like a change.org petition.

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Yeah, a change.org petition.

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Let's get them involved with this.

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It seems to be the best way to do things.

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So let's start one.

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First petition, get Eddie Bravo on Project Camelot.

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Second petition, really ask whether the moon is real.

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Can you imagine how much he would yell at Kerry?

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That would be the best.

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So in this next clip, you know, just to flex his sort of broad spectrum of knowing languages.

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He's already talked a little bit about Greek.

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He's talked about a ton of other languages.

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Now he gets into Hebrew.

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Can I ask you a question?

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Yeah.

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Does he think he can speak these languages?

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I want you to put a pin in that because Kerry asks him that later.

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Okay, good.

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So I'm glad that Kerry has a good interview question.

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It's not supposed to be a gotcha question, but it ends up being one.

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Yeah, of course it does.

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But asking that question, it's like, and you of course need to say yes to this question

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and then maybe speak a little bit of one of those languages.

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It should have been a layup.

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Yeah, it really should have been.

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She wouldn't follow up by what you just said, say something in the language.

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If he just said, yep, I do know these languages.

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Cool, let's move on.

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Yeah, it's an intrinsic problem.

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I only know this from my study of ancient languages.

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I took semesters upon semester.

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I was a minor in ancient Greek in college and from my even admittedly baseline understanding

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of ancient Greek, one of the things that I was very impressed with is if you don't understand

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the nuances of the specific language you're talking about, you don't understand the particular

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words because sometimes things mean completely different things depending on the context

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of the sentence, depending on the declension of the noun or things can mean different things.

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Just think of the word fuck.

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If you don't know the context of the word fuck, you don't know what the word fuck means.

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Totally, totally.

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There are those things that go idiomatically between languages and that existed even in

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the ancient world.

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Of course.

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So if you don't study the actual language, you're talking shit and that's what he's doing

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a lot of, but in this next group, he talks shit about Hebrew and he's trying to explain

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to Kerry where Yahweh came from, the tetragrammaton, the word of God's name, the unpronounceable

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name of God comes from.

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Yeah, it's when they were giving directions in Aramaic, they would be like, yeah, that's

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the right way.

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That wasn't it.

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What it is is an introduction for Kerry to completely blow her show on air.

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And again, the same idea is encoded in Yahweh's name as well because the old Semitic word

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eah, which is Yahweh, is a pun on eah, which is a serpent.

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So the terminology eah, which is the word eah, is a pun on eah.

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Hold on one second.

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That's why I can't call it.

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Sorry.

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Because this is connected, I have to go right ahead.

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Go ahead.

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Sorry.

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Right.

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No, it's fine.

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So I was saying that the etymology of Yahweh comes from the word eah.

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Eah is translated as I am.

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It's so funny to me that Kerry gets a call in the middle of him trying to explain the

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wordplay involved in the name of God in the Hebrew Bible.

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I love it.

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Every time her show is revealed to be that silly in terms of like...

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And clunky.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So good.

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And what do you prove by saying that the Tetragrammaton is a play in some ways on I am, I was, like

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that sort of thing, because that is the idea behind it.

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The all-existing being.

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Dan, what don't you prove?

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I think you don't prove anything.

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I think you prove that...

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Okay.

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I think you prove it all.

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Well, if you were an all-knowing, all-existing, all-powerful God, your presentation to the

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people who are subject to you, obviously...

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Would be in PowerPoint.

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Certainly.

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If that wasn't invented, then you would just stress to them, I am, I was, I will be, that

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sort of thing.

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Sure.

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That I don't see a nefarious wordplay thing here.

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I think I see a very basic thing that I think, as I understand it, now I don't know this

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totally because I haven't studied Hebrew in any in-depth way, but I don't think that's

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even like an unconventional thought.

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Like, I don't think that that's some sort of a like, oh, isn't this weird?

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I think that Hebrew scholars are cool with that one.

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I think that that's basic stuff.

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See, this is what I'm saying.

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When you minor in ancient Greek, you don't get all the learning.

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If you had majored in ancient Greek, you would have gotten at least a little bit of Hebrew.

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I doubt it.

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Everybody knows that.

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I doubt it.

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Because the council of nine would have told you to.

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Yeah, possibly.

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Or I could ask my dad.

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Yeah, well, that's possible.

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He certainly has taught college courses on biblical Hebrew.

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But anyway, in this next clip, we learn more about linguistic plays that the aliens have

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made.

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And I know that he hasn't established that it's the aliens doing it, but trust me, we'll

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get to the clip.

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It's coming up.

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So if I understand correctly, so far, all we're talking about is little bits of word

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play like cognates and that.

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And then like twisted around.

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You bet.

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Like where would God be if it weren't inverse dog?

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You bet.

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Like that's the whole thing.

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You bet.

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That's his evidence.

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Well, his evidence is supposedly trying to create the idea that he is aware of a universal

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language that's hidden behind language because of those cognates that he's found and stuff

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like that.

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But because he doesn't study language, he doesn't realize that a lot of those are coincidences.

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Yeah.

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So there is a lot of that going on.

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Yes.

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I don't honestly, I've listened to this episode.

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It's two hours and something long.

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I don't really understand what he thinks he's proved.

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I don't know what Kerry is trying to get to other than, huh, there's a lot of words that

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sound similar in different languages.

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That's all you walk away from this with.

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It's tragic.

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It's tragic.

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He doesn't even have a fucking telescope, Dan.

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He does.

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Well, he might.

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You never know.

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Oh, that's true.

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Um, so in this next clip, we learn about the word worship.

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Okay.

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And what's worship backwards?

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Well, uh, that's not it.

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But, uh, this is, this is an interesting take.

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Catal mutilation is going back thousands of years.

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So essentially what they're doing is apinocopying what's happening within the natural world

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in terms of that these cataloma and dying and they're being exsanguinated.

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And therefore the collection of the blood within the receptacle, which was symbolized

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as an angelic vessel, which was a saucer, um, denoting the angels is very important.

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So if you, just to, just to pump the brakes for a second, what he's talking about is,

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uh, UFOs upside down are bowls for blood.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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All right.

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Just making sure.

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Yeah, I got that.

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Just making sure.

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I was, I was trying to get through him thinking that by saying exsanguinated, he wins.

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Oh, he's a linguist.

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The moment he said that, he was like, check this out.

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Exsanguinated.

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You didn't even know that was a fucking word.

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I just wanted to make sure that we were all on the same page and that wasn't, uh, lost

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in his, uh, his accent.

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And this is why we get the word worship from the term ship again is going back into the

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idea of an angelic sailor.

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As I mentioned when we were discussing this idea before, there's a relationship between

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malak and angel, but it's a polymorphic symbol.

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Malak also means a sailor.

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So this is an angelic sailor.

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And as I mentioned earlier, the angelic sailors were edited the Yahweh.

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Now I want to slow you down again, uh, when you're saying worship, because that's very

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interesting.

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Worship.

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So you didn't talk about the first part of the word word.

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I'm not sure what that means.

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War or W O R, but ship is also, uh, you know, in essence, uh, the reference to a vessel,

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a vessel being, uh, like a flying saucer, uh, you know, they come in the people.

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For sure, for sure.

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You can keep saying words, but I'm just waiting to start saying exsanguinated again.

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Yeah.

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Uh, this all comes basically from like old English.

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Uh, it's, it's nonsense.

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The war at the beginning of it, it's like basically worthiness, um, and ship, uh, from

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the old English is from like Skype, uh, which is a reference to, uh, a state of being.

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So it's a state of being worthy is worship worthy of, uh, uh, uh, being praised.

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Yeah, that's the, that's where that comes from.

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It has nothing to do with, has nothing to do with ships as boats that comes from a completely

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different etymological route.

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That sounds like something that you would learn if you were studying linguistics.

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Dude, it really seems pretty simple, really simple stuff, but no, it's alien spacecrafts

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upside down are bowls and blood.

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Yeah.

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That's where we get worship, right?

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But we don't need to worry about the war part.

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I'm just on a ship right now.

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War, war, war, warship, warship of war.

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There we go.

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I think that's even better than this bullshit.

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Yeah, see, there you go.

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I figured it.

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We did it.

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Yeah, but watch out for bowls.

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Absolutely.

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I think that's the bigger issue here.

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Yeah.

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Bowls are scary.

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Bowls are troublesome.

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Bowl, which in ancient Greek is lobe.

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So in this next clip, Pierre discusses a criticism that he must receive very constantly and close.

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His answer is not very good.

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You asked me earlier on how well there's a subjective interpretation of words, and it's

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almost like the next question that most people ask when I talk about the subject is, yeah,

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but are you sure you're not making it up?

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But I say to you that there are polyglotal symbols.

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And when these wordplays repeat in many different languages, then we need to be paying attention.

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And this is essentially the artifact.

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I would say that generally, if you're a scholar in something and you're in an academic community

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or something like that, people aren't like, are you sure you're not making this up?

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Because this is bullshit.

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Most of the time, you're not coming from a great place to begin with if people are constantly

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asking if you're making this up.

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That's the most polite way.

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Of course, he's from Britain, because the most polite way for you to say you're full

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of shit in Britain is, are you sure you're not making this up?

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You sure?

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I am giving you one chance to say you made this up.

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Right.

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Immediately after the next sentence that isn't, I made this all up, I'm going to tell you

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you're full of shit.

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And his answer of like, well, if it's in a lot of different languages, it must be cool.

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Like, that's not a good answer to whether or not you're making this up.

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That's a process question.

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You're just going back to your bad evidence.

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You need to talk about how you came to these conclusions, because it's dicey.

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So there's a number of things that he says that are that same thing, like God backwards

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his dog, other languages, words that are like either a deity figure is similar to the name

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of a dog or something like that.

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It's like all that stuff, pretty thin and not worth talking about, quite frankly.

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But this next one absolutely is, because first of all, relates to Greek.

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So I know a little bit about it.

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And secondarily, the thing that he's suggesting is crazy.

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This is lunacy.

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But remember, Kerry, the word saucer is the word play on sauros, which is a lizard.

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Again, within the Semitic record of chariots is a word play on kav, which is a call and

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keb, which is a serpent.

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So the serpent chariot is a very ancient idea.

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And it's going back to the veneration of the serpent.

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The Greek word office, the serpent, relates to the office worker.

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This is why the office worker wears a tie.

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The tie is a symbol of the serpent.

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Oh my God.

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Well, I mean, it's pretty blatant.

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So it's real blatant.

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It's pretty blatant.

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Oh man.

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So I admire their restraint because he said something that sounded very similar to sauros

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there and then not launching into sauros and proof he's the demon, he's the serpent.

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Right, right, right.

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The word for office in Greek is not the same thing as the word for serpent.

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Serpent is phoebe or ophis, which I admit sounds a lot like office, but it's not related

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at all.

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The Greek word for office is grafeo.

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Our word office comes from the Latin word officium, which, as much as Pierre might want

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it to, is not related to the word for serpent, ophis.

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It's very different.

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They're very different words that have different roots and come from different places.

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It sounds the same, but that's it.

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It is, it's wonderful for you to have real knowledge about etymology and how this guy

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is full of shit, but at the same time, I feel like anybody with even a cursory ability to

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critically think about this would listen to what he's saying and go, that is dumb.

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That is a dumb thing to say.

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I mean, even...

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You are dumb.

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Let's allow the first stage of his conspiracy to be true.

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Right.

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Let's imagine that ophis, the Greek word for serpent, and it's not even the most commonly

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used, that's the second most commonly used word for snake or serpent.

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Right.

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Imagine that that is where we get the word office from in English.

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Yes.

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So if that is the case, why is the word in Greek for office not that?

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Well, because that's not what they're trying to communicate to.

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So the plan, if I understand his plan for the council of nine or whatever it is that

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we're talking about here correctly, what he's saying is that they are speaking across timelines

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through different languages in order to influence human events by using this underlying secret

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language that connects all of them together.

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So that would imply that their time travel manipulating abilities did not extend to before

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the Greek language was formed, because wouldn't they want to fuck with those people too?

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Well, yeah, but they do.

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How?

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Well, what's the word for office in Greek?

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Grafeo.

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Grafeo?

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That sounds a lot like graph paper.

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What do people use in offices all the time?

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There are actually similar etymology roots there, I believe.

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I'm not entirely sure.

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I haven't looked at that one.

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See, there you go.

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It's all in front of you.

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It, as Kerry said, Dan, same thing with the graphite.

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Blatant.

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Graphite and pencil for writing.

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And what is a pencil but a snake that can talk?

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Graphing calculators, graffiti, oh, conspiracy.

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See, there you go.

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That's so stupid.

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This is spectacularly dubbed.

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So bad.

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I really think the guy with the telescope had more to say.

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But again, this goes back to Kerry being fucking so duped by accents.

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This guy has a European accent and she's like, fuck.

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Like, because if you imagine him saying these sorts of things without that accent, you're

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like, yeesh, yeesh.

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Like, imagine him with like a Southern twang.

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Oh, no, you'd be done with him.

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Yeah, there's no chance.

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Yeah, well, you know what I heard is that the tie, the bow tie is the sign of the serpent

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and that comes from the Greek word for office.

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You know why we think what we think about the South, right?

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Because of people like you.

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But this guy has a fun accent, so it's fine.

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So he has an interesting idea in this next clip Pierre does about what the Mayans were

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up to.

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As we all know.

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I was wondering what the Mayans were up to in all of this.

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Kerry certainly believed that the end of the world was coming in 2012.

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Of course.

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Which is one rare thing that she disagrees with Alex on, because at least he is on the

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record pretty clearly that wasn't an apocalypse.

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Good on him for that.

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But currently the scoreboard is 999,999 to one.

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I think it's to three or something like that, but it could be those principles.

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Yeah, but in this next clip, Pierre has an idea about what the Mayans were actually up

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to when they were writing those calendars and stuff.

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I mean, this is only an idea, but there's a possibility that the Mayans were trying

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to change the timeline.

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It seems to me the possibility that sometime in our future that on a certain timeline that

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mankind is destroyed or nearly completely annihilated and is then replanted on the earth.

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If this scenario is correct, then essentially what we're doing is we're living in the

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past and some of these cultures were aware of this knowledge and what they were trying

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to do was try to almost avert a catastrophe by completely changing what the timeline would

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be in terms of the next generation and the next population.

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But this is not something which I can prove, but I just think that this would be an explanation

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possibly why the Mayans and other cultures were so obsessed with blood sacrifice that

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there was an attempt to try and change the timeline.

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That tracks.

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That was astonishingly stupid.

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It's wild.

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That was truly almost respectable in the level of idiocy involved there.

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It's almost like even somebody who is stupid enough to believe that would be smart enough

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never to say it out loud.

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Well, it's also interesting because someone who would have these ideas kicking around

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in their head generally wouldn't be able to articulate them in a thread you could follow.

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Right.

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And then on top of that, have the wherewithal to in the middle of it, be like, I can't prove

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this.

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Yeah.

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Because generally these people would be like, here's an outlandish thing that I believe

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in and it's definitely true.

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There is that weird restraint that he's showing that also I kind of there's a part of me that

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resents it.

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Yeah.

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I really kind of think that he captured like former WWE writers, you know, the ones.

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Freddie Prinze Jr.

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No, no, no, not him.

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Isn't he still a writer for WWE?

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No, I think he's a former writer.

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Tony Hinchcliffe?

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Uh, definitely.

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Okay.

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He captured him.

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It got him in a basement somewhere and he's just like, give me your wildest bullshit.

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Well, the Mayans are trying to change the timeline.

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That's why they're into blood sacrifice.

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I'm going to say that on TV the soonest I can.

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Yeah.

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Man, that's stupid.

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Yeah, it's pretty wild.

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Not as stupid as this next clip, though, because it gets back into talking about Greek words

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and he blows it real bad.

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The Mayans were trying to change the timeline?

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Because they knew that a crisis was happening eventually and you and I right now, we're

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living in the past of that future or whatever.

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Right.

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And they knew that back then they're trying to avert the, maybe 2012 was really just trying

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to avert the disaster that would have happened in 2028 or something like that.

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Oh, I thought he meant, I thought he was thinking that the reason that we didn't all die in

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2012.

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I thought this was like, I thought this was a retcon for why we didn't die in 2012.

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Totally might have been.

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Because the Mayans knew we were going to die in 2012 and so they sacrificed a shit ton

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of people in order to change the timeline because in 2012 we would have had a complete

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disaster or merely been annihilated.

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Dude, your take on it is just as valid as anything I can come up with.

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That might be what he's saying.

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I kind of think that's what he's saying.

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I think he's retconning it.

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He's saying something in that ballpark.

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I know that much, but beyond that I'm unwilling to comment.

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Huge fan of the Mayan ballparks.

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Yes, the goal is to lose because if you win, you're dead.

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You die.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, here's him screwing up again with Greek.

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In the Greek, Basilisk is a serpent. Basiliskos is a type of king.

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So this is in a long string of various cultures having words for like royalty that are sort

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of tertiary involved with kings.

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We're just going through everything that could be snakes.

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Yeah, and here's the problem with this one.

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I don't know about, like, I don't know Persian.

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I don't know Sanskrit or any of that stuff, so I can't speak to it.

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I'm sure it's as bad as this.

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If this is his example that I do know something about.

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So the issue here is that Pierre is misunderstanding how language works.

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There's a mythological being, which dates back to at least the time of Pliny the Elder,

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called the Basilisk.

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And Pliny the Elder was right on.

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Everybody knows him now to be 100% accurate.

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This is a large rooster snake hybrid that can kill you by looking at you.

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The issue is that it was named the Basilisk because of the Greek word for king being basileios.

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King being basileios, and the idea that this thing is the king of the snakes.

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So in Greek it was called basiliskos, which is just a slight tweaking of the word to mean

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little king.

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Yeah, that's all that is.

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This isn't proof of some kind of linguistic wordplay seeking to hide the reality of the

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world, or at least hiding it until someone as smart as Pierre comes along and cracks

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the code.

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It's just a mythological creature being given a name to reflect what the teller of the story

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wanted to convey about the beast, namely its royalty.

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This would be legit as stupid as me making the argument that kings are notoriously all

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drunks because there's that cream ale out there called little kings.

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And why would the word be the same if it weren't trying to encode some deeper hidden reality

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about kings?

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Aliens.

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Little kings!

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Aliens!

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The name basilisk comes from basileios, comes from basileiskos.

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So like all that stuff is just putting the cart before the horse in some ways, or like

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reimagining how linguistic evolution happens and how things are named.

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It's fucking incredibly stupid.

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Like this is baseline shit.

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Right.

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No, the French phrase le petit mort, little death, that is actually coming from the Mayans

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because every time you came you used to die.

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True.

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That's just true.

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Well I know this French guy who might be English who told me that.

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So this entire interview and the basis for Pierre's supposed scholarship boil down to

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two phenomenon in the study of language that Pierre would be much more aware of if he actually

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studied languages he pretends to be an expert in.

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These are what's known as false cognates and false friends.

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There are tons of examples of words in different languages that sound similar and often even

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have similar meanings but it'd be wrong to say that they're connected because they come

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from completely distinct etymological bases.

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This is what's called a false cognate.

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One of the most common and famous examples of this is the word dog being the same in

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English and in the aboriginal Bahrambam languages despite there being no relation between the

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two cultures that would explain this commonality.

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What you have to consider is that every language contains thousands and thousands of words.

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So while it seems impossible the two cultures would come up with the same name for the same

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thing given the huge vocabularies you're looking at it's bound to happen in some cases just

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on a probabilistic basis.

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What's important here is that these things are understood by people who study linguistics

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because they consider the etymology of the words and how these languages are formed and

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where the influences come from.

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It's not something that's mysterious and completely lost to us.

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And a false friend is Alex Jones to Joe Rubkin.

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It's a sneaky snake.

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It's a sneaky snake.

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There are words in languages that look like they're connected and sound very similar but

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mean completely different things.

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These are what's known as false friends and they're often a result of languages borrowing

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words from a shared source language and then tweaking the meaning over the course of time.

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All Pierre Sendek does is pretend that just because a word in Sanskrit sounds similar

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to a word in Japanese they must be related as proof that the reptilians are playing tricks

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on us with words.

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It's an almost bafflingly simplistic way to look at linguistics.

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What about, Dan, the Native American group that spoke Japanese?

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What?

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I'm not aware of this.

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You didn't know about this?

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No.

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Not group.

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Tribe or whatever it is.

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They, the language, the linguistics professors found that their language was strikingly similar

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to Japanese.

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Right.

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So that clearly means aliens.

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Contacted them and aliens are Japanese.

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So we can assume that all Japanese people are aliens.

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I mean, without looking into it, I don't know what the explanation is or even if you're

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not making this up, but assuming that you're not, there are plenty of reasons for that

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to be the case.

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A lot.

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Yeah.

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A lot.

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There are a hundred-

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I'm gonna go with Mayans.

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There are a hundred different explanations for how cultural transmission happens, that

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sort of thing.

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And it all comes back to the Dogons.

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Trade routes that happened in early times, all that sort of stuff.

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Like the Silk Road?

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Any of that kind of shit.

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Could be that.

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It explains a whole lot of stuff.

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And look, I'm not an expert in linguistics.

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I like languages and stuff like that.

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And I have like a toe in the water in terms of knowing what I know about Greek.

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Yeah.

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But because I do know that, I have had to study some of this stuff.

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That doesn't mean that I know what the Sanskrit roots of things are or anything like that.

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But it does inform my ability to know how you would find it out.

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Right.

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So that part is where I get a problem with him, because these things are so easily explainable.

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Like the basilisk, basileus kind of thing.

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It's like, oh, come on, man.

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Get out of here with that.

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Get out of here with that shit.

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Come on.

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Or the worship ship.

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Let's forget about the prefix on the word.

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Fuck it.

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Who cares?

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It's an upside down bowl for blood.

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Ship.

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Yeah.

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It's like, this is like, it's embarrassing on a number of levels.

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It's incredibly embarrassing.

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For both of them.

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This is stupid.

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For Kerry and for Pierre.

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Like, he's presenting a fun theory, namely that the reptilians are behind everything

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and they've tricked us with language for years.

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Of course.

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And that's fine.

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I understand he's got to find a way to not do portraits for no money for the rest of his life.

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Yeah, that's tough.

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I don't hate to hustle or whatever.

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But it does indicate a real failing on Kerry's part that she doesn't understand linguistics

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enough to understand, like, this guy does not know what he's talking about.

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He's presented his academic credentials that have nothing to do with this subject.

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He's talking about deeply complicated systems of language that he has, I guess,

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read an article or two about.

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And his inspiration for all of it is a book that's a lie.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you correctly summed it up.

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It's one of those things where you are absolutely capable of tricking people who are not going

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to look into it.

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Right.

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Or who have no interest in looking at it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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If you're charmed by the idea of getting super, super high and saying,

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look at all these words sounding similar.

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Like Rogan?

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Yeah.

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Then you'd be like, holy shit, that does make a lot of sense.

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But if you're somebody who's like, okay, cool, that sounds like interesting information.

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I'm going to take one more step and then, oh, no, you're a fucking idiot.

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Well, I think he kind of inoculated himself from the second step by earlier,

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like a couple of clips back, being like, people come up to me and they say, Pierre,

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did you just make this up?

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Yes.

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And so he's sort of shielded himself from Kerry asking that question because he's

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a straw man character to ask it to himself.

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He's already brought it up and addressed it and solved it.

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So in this next clip, we get to why this is sort of relevant to our world.

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And like Alex Jonesy themes start bleeding into the interview.

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God damn it.

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Because I think Kerry has allowed him to speak his piece about how like

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reptilians are doing all this shit, whatever.

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Language is a conspiracy.

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Sure.

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That is his point, isn't it?

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All language is a conspiracy.

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Basically.

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Okay.

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And so Kerry wants to weave it into what she wants to talk about politically a little bit.

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The moon.

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Okay. Also, wanted to also bring up maritime law that were basically ruled by maritime law.

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Yeah.

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So it's all.

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A very sovereign citizen.

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And Jordan Maxwell talks about that a lot.

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Well, it's not something which I'm an expert in, but we can see certainly that within the

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etymologies of government, gubernatorial is to steer a vessel.

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And this really relates to the ship of state.

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And we view the ship of state is a mirror image of the ships, which is an angelic ship.

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Of course.

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But when you talk about like the ship of state and stuff like that, it's kind of just a metaphor.

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But then also like you have to consider again, the ship part in worship and ship are different roots.

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Just because they are the same word and are written the same and sound the same doesn't

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mean that they come from the same etymological root.

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You're crazy.

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He's obsessed with ship because he doesn't understand the branching path that words take.

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Now, it's crazy.

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The reason that we are under maritime law is because and you can take this from the

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etymological roots, Mary and time.

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Time to get married.

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Which means that we are married to our concept of time, but also Mary can mean happy.

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So we are happily married to our concept of time, which is why they run everything.

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Yeah, no, we can't do that because it has to mean two things.

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The aliens.

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Boats.

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Reptilians.

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Boats.

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Watch out for boats.

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Alien boats.

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Upside down, blood.

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There you go.

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I promise.

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Upside down, blood.

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I promise you I'm not editing this episode in a way to make him look like a fool or anything like that.

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All I've done is cut out rambling paragraphs of words.

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Yeah.

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Basically, this is a ultimately when I started listening to this, I was like, we have to

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do an episode because I love the Robert Temple stuff.

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Yeah.

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I want to talk about that.

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And then as it went along, I'm like, this is a desert of clips.

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I can't cut anything out of here because he's doing these like three minute long paragraphs

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that he's just delivering and carries like and then he just talks over.

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Yeah.

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And I'm like, this is just tragic and then you get to the end and we're at this point

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where Carrie starts bringing up like maritime law and some familiar themes start to take

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shape.

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And I was like, oh, okay, well, we can deal with that.

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But I just want to stress, I'm sorry, that I'm not making him look like an idiot.

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No, he's an absolute moron.

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I want to be clear about that.

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Don't listen to the whole fucking episode if you want.

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Yeah. Does he address that he is using language which he insists is a conspiracy by aliens?

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You're asking me if he addresses it.

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What does that mean?

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Add dress.

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Then what is that?

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What is it?

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What's add?

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That means to bring it in.

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Bring something in.

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There we go.

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Dress is something that is a traditionally female garment.

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You want me to put on a dress?

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Is that what you're asking me for?

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I am asking you.

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Then yes, I will.

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Or I am asking him.

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I don't know who I'm asking anything to anymore because the very words I speak betray how

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important the aliens are to our civilization.

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Reptilians want everyone wearing dresses.

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Confirmed.

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Because the only thing that makes sense for his argument to be of any validity is if he

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then says, and I am working on a language that is uninfluenced by this.

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He's trying to push Esperanto, I will say that.

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Is he?

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No, he's not.

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Okay, because if he was, I'd be fine with that.

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That kind of makes sense.

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I would be fine with that.

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One world language.

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If he doesn't bring up the fact that he is now working on a language that is unencumbered

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by alien influence, then he can go fuck himself.

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Well, he did bring up at one point that he's a twin and him and his...

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Oh, well then nevermind.

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He's right.

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Him and his twin did telepathically interact when they were younger.

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Of course.

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And we all know from studies that twins telepathically connect and then also have their own languages

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that are gobbledygook to everybody else.

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Right.

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So, I mean, there is that.

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There is that in there that he's like, maybe everybody should use telepathy.

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But I don't know if he actually advances that as his solution or anything like that.

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That makes sense.

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Are we okay with twins?

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Twins are fine.

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Two of the same person?

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I don't think so.

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Twins are fine.

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I don't think it's okay.

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That's the only thing that I'm racist against.

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There can only be one, Dan.

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Fine.

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A Highlander version of fertilization.

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Exactly.

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Great.

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There you go.

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So look, Pierre is a guy who is pretty into calling out wordplay in past cultures.

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Clearly.

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And one of the reasons is because the serpent, and in this case that means sort of a demonic

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being and the reptilians, they're into wordplay.

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They're super into it.

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They love it.

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They're like those friends you have that you go hang out with and it's just puns.

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It's just nonstop puns.

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Aliens are just into puns.

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I like that.

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I like that.

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I don't want any nefarious aliens.

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I just want aliens who are just going on pun runs.

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I'm a big fan.

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I like it too, but it does get a little frustrating at a certain point.

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At about hour two, you're kind of like...

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Oh, no, no, no.

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I already hate this guy and I wish I'd never talked to him.

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Well, but it's fine.

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He's against the wordplay of the serpent.

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So you don't have to hang out with him.

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You can just hang out with the serpent.

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Okay.

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I'm cool with that.

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Here's why the serpent is into wordplay.

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Of course.

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The serpent likes word games.

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As we said before, the tengo in Japan is related to tango, which is a word.

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Hold on.

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No.

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Good justification.

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No, it's also a word.

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Also, I love just the, the serpent is into word games.

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Might be one of my favorite things I've heard just as a sentence.

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The serpent is into word games.

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A man has always been battling the shores, Dan.

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They're obsessed with wordplay and it's encrypted throughout human languages.

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Now, I have a theory about this encryption.

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I think one of the reasons why they're using what I refer to as the artifact, which is

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this high degree of artificiality found in human languages.

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So when he says the art artifact, what he's talking about is this idea of a universal

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grammar that he's proved with all of these disparate words in different languages that

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sound similar or appear similar.

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Japanese has tengu.

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We have tango artifact.

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Boom.

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Done.

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So that's his move on.

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That's the artifact that is the proof of the alien transmission of blah, blah, blah,

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blah, culture, linguistics, all of that stuff, which is like, okay.

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I just need to make that clear because he hadn't brought up the artifact yet.

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It is due to telepathy.

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And I think essentially if you encode polyglotal symbolism so that all the words in a sense

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branch out and you find this commonalities or the similar correlations within the languages,

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then you can take a Chinese man and you can take an English man and they both get abducted.

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They both don't speak the same language, but when the angels are talking to them,

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bang, they understand exactly what they're saying because their language is working to

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a universal grammar.

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This grammar is the artifact, which is found within subliminal symbolism.

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Okay.

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Very, very well said.

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Well fucking said.

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I do agree.

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It was well said.

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It's a dumb idea, but it was a dumb idea well said.

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Presented well?

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Yeah, don't get me wrong.

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I've heard way worse.

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But I would suggest that we're really undercutting aliens on this one.

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That seems like a cumbersome plan because it has to have been going since Chinese existed

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as a language and the morphological roots of the Chinese language.

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They could have learned Chinese in that time.

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These aliens could be multilingual.

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All earth languages can't be that complicated for aliens.

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Why do you imagine that it's difficult for them to learn languages?

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Why not just introduce a babble fish?

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Douglas Adams.

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We're talking about crazy shit.

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Why not?

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Well, this is Snow Crash.

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This is Snow Crash explaining away.

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It's a book.

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It's never been made into a movie.

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Never read it.

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No, it's explaining away the Tower of Babel by going through ancient Sumerian.

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With the Tower of Babel, what happened was man freed himself from the dominance of the

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Nam Shub, the people who can speak things into being or essentially hypnotize all humanity.

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So by the Tower of Babel coming down and everybody not being able to speak the same language,

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the whole thing falls apart.

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And that is protecting ourselves from this linguistic hypnosis that can happen.

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And he is an example of somebody who is trying to hypnotize you by just saying a bunch of

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words really, really quick.

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It sounds similar.

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Yeah, he's learned a bunch of $5 words that he uses to surround dog equals God.

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And then he calls it a day.

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I get it, man.

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Right.

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I got you.

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There wasn't any point when I was preparing this episode that I didn't think it would

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be very transparent.

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I know, but it's like, I don't understand how somebody could listen to him say one paragraph

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and not be like, I got it.

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We're going to move on here.

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Well, and it becomes especially bad after this next clip where Kerry asks him that leading

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question that we talked about earlier.

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Yeah.

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Do you actually speak these other languages?

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I mean, are you multi?

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No, I don't.

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I would describe myself as a comparative etymologist.

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So I don't speak the languages, but I'm interested and I'm obsessed with this polyglotal symbolism.

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So again, when I'm, if you like, if I'm following an idea through and I'm thinking, well, okay,

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does that symbolize that?

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Then I'm not just looking for it in one language.

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I look at it in the Arabic and say, okay, can we find that in the Latin?

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Oh, yeah, we can.

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Can we find that in the English?

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Yeah, we can.

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Can we find that in the Greek?

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Yeah, we can.

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That's not how this works.

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You can't like, you can't have no awareness or understanding of these languages and just

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look for words that are similar.

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That's, that's taking what the study is out of it.

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Yeah.

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You're just looking on a very surface level.

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Can I make an argument out of this?

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Right.

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That's all he's doing.

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No, he might as well have just said that he's got a bunch of phonetic dictionaries from

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all different languages and he just closes his eyes, turns a page, spins his hand around

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and presses down on it.

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And he's like, okay, this one says, uh, Canterbury, so let's go and see if there's a phonetic

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Canterbury in Chinese.

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Like, that's what he's describing.

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Yeah, basically.

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I mean, Canterbury is a bad example, but yeah, absolutely.

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Canterbury is a terrible example.

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Yeah, that's exactly what he's doing.

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I have no idea why I came up with Canterbury.

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Not sure, he's British.

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Could be.

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I don't know.

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His tales are full of shit too.

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That's true.

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Yeah.

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It's the same sort of, that is exactly what he's doing.

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It's, it's just a embarrassing, like if you're presenting yourself as an expert, you

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have the softest fucking interview in front of you you've ever had.

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Yeah.

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You're talking to Carrie Cassidy and you go on and she's like, do you know these languages?

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Like I said earlier, you're not going to be asked to prove it if you say yes.

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If you say no, that's suspicious.

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And then if you're like, well, what I do is I go around and I find like, is this word

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in other languages?

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Is this word like, all you have to do is not say stuff like that.

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And then you could maybe sound like, you know, you're talking about, but I don't know.

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Maybe he's not used to having people call him out.

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Also, what's his, what's his baseline for proof?

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You know what I'm saying?

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That's a good baseline.

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Not bad.

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What do you mean by that?

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I mean, like I only did that cause I don't understand the question.

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Um, like, okay.

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So he says baseline for proof.

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So it's a baffling idea.

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So his, his idea is I go into the English dictionary and I look and I see, Oh, is there

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this word in Latin?

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There it is.

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Oh, there's this word in Greek.

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There it is.

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Oh, there's this word in Chinese.

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There it is.

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How many languages is required for him to prove that connection?

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Clearly two.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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One to one.

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So how can you even consider describing a universal underlying language when you only

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have a few examples from a couple languages, knowing that there have been thousands upon

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thousands of languages?

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Right.

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Like what you'd need to do is you'd need to find like, and I don't think this would even

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prove it to be, uh, just totally upfront.

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Um, like, so his idea of like basileios being King in Greek and then basilisk, uh, being

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this, uh, snake rooster hybrid character from mythology.

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Um, he would then need to prove in other languages that there is a basileios connection or something

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like that being, being cross-transmitted through all of them instead of culturally ambiguous

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things that are similar in other cultures.

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Yeah, you absolutely could not do that.

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Cause the only thing you can prove from that specific basileios connection is that, uh,

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whoever, uh, initially created the mythological being, uh, wanted to, uh, impart that it was

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Kingly.

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Right.

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That was it.

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That's all, that's all you can really prove with that.

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Can't really prove that King equals snake.

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Right.

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Cause it doesn't work that way.

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The only way that his bullshit would even be, uh, like considered, the only way that

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it would be considered as if by some ridiculous, ridiculous coincidence, literally every human

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language dog means dog.

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Well, there's only two that we know of.

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One is that Aborigine culture and ours.

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So then that's, that's something that is like, that was a puzzle and a complete mystery for

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linguists for a really long time.

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Nobody had any idea.

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It was crazy.

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Yeah.

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But if it was like, Oh, in Chinese, the word dog, the sound dog transfers to dog.

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Yeah.

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And in English, dog is dog.

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And in Swahili, dog is dog.

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And in French, dog is dog.

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It would just be like so much of a coincidence that you could not help, but think maybe there's

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something.

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I agree that that would be a cause to take a step back, but I still don't think it would

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prove anything because a lot of those cultures might have, um, etymological roots of like,

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uh, whatever dog is based on that could be being played with that are different.

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Between like cross-culturally.

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Of course.

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So like, even that, like, I know my mind would be blown if everybody called a dog a dog.

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Exactly.

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But it still wouldn't prove his argument that aliens created language to fuck with us.

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It would not prove anything, but it would make you go like, I'll listen to you continue

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instead of like, well, we're doing a show, so you got to listen.

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Wow.

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That's fair.

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That's fair.

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You don't have a choice on that one.

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Or, or if you were an academic and you were listening to him, you just

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like that, that is what would require you to not kick him out of the office.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I studied it and in every language, even in, uh, American and French and different sign

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languages, everybody knows that that, that you are sitting on right there is an office

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chair.

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Everybody says it the exact same way.

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Everybody says it, it's a snake.

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That's because of demons and aliens or whatever.

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And you're like, that's why all people in offices wear ties.

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Also, by the way, what about startups?

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Are they working against the serpent system?

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I don't think anybody's ever really taken down an argument by saying, what about startups?

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Well, like legitimately, if wearing a tie is the sign of the serpent office, uh, in Greek,

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like what if, so if that's the case, then bucking that system, right?

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These startups who are evil in and of themselves that allow you to dress casually.

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They are, they're an affront to the serpent system.

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Right.

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How does he deal with that?

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Doesn't.

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Well, we've been having the great Thai v no Thai wars for a long time.

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And that is not including the people of Thailand who are tertiary involved, but not as a major

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player.

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So you've got Google, right?

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And they've been fighting against, uh, I dunno, GE.

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I don't know what you want to, I don't know what you say.

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Yeah, let's throw that in there.

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Let's imagine everyone there wears ties.

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Yeah, everybody at GE wears ties, nobody at Google wears ties.

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Maybe some investment banking operation or something like that.

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It's those extra four letters.

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That's what did it.

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That's why GE can't compete.

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Yeah, I agree.

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So he doesn't know his languages.

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That's one thing I want to make totally clear.

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And I think we have, uh, but there's an interesting problem.

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What's that?

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Even for people, I think, who, uh, do study languages and shit.

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Like, I think, I think there is just an intrinsic problem and that is Egyptian.

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Uh, the, the hieroglyphics are, are always a source of debate about what's being imparted

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here.

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Yeah.

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There's no, I don't think there's a perfect, uh, uh, sort of translation of, of a lot of

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hieroglyphic.

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Cause you can't really understand the idioms through pictograph language.

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It becomes much more difficult.

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And I will say this, uh, our boy here, Pierre, is not studied.

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I think he's figured it out though.

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He hasn't studied hieroglyphics.

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Sometimes it takes a fresh pair of eyes, Dan.

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I, I agree.

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I agree with one premise that he's making.

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Pictures are cool.

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Well, no, I think he probably would say that, but it's not part of his argument.

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Um, it's that I don't think that there's a perfect understanding even in the academic

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community of the hieroglyphic language from, uh, ancient Egypt.

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I think that's probably, I don't know.

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I haven't looked into it a hundred percent, but I think that's the consensus.

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Where he goes from there is not good.

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It's pretty bad.

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I think this is a very good point and I'm probably going to disappoint a lot of your

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listeners.

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Um, I think we, when we're dealing with both, and this appertains both to the academic

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study of the discipline and also relating to the alternative media, you have to understand

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that the Cypriot do not want this information disseminated.

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So there are, if you like, um, a lot of lies.

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So for example, the Egyptian hieroglyphs.

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Real quick, when he's-

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Sypherati?

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Is that what he said?

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The Decipherati.

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The Decipherati.

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That's sort of the Illuminati of language.

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Right, right.

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The people who are like the priest class that is trying to keep you from understanding the,

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yeah, they're, they're villains.

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Yeah.

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From context clues, I got what he was talking about, but I really wanted to be sure on that

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one.

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It was worth pointing out.

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Yeah.

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Haven't been deciphered.

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Okay.

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I mean, at one level, they never went out of circulation and the priesthood know how

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to read the hieroglyphs.

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Done.

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With the museum's time lists, they just don't make sense.

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Yeah, I agree completely.

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Of course you do.

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I agree completely.

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We all do care.

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Because I have noticed that, um, I, you know, just, just want to say that I have noticed

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that, um, if you study the, the, the glyphs, uh, on, you know, and, and you, you listen

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to explanations of the guides and so on.

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And they, they try to tell you what one thing looks like.

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It almost never looks like what they say it looks like.

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And yet it does look like something that is, you know, you could name and therefore it

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seems very careful.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Go ahead.

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This is a very careful concealment.

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So, so the, the two things there, that's a good example of him just talking over Kerry

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and be very rude.

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Yeah, that was very rude.

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And then the second thing is like, I'll, I'll, let's play this out.

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I'll be Kerry.

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You be someone at, uh, like showing me a hieroglyph.

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Okay, cool.

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That one, that looks like a spaceship.

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I, well, I was going to say that it actually looks a little bit like, uh, parentheses.

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My arms are crossed.

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Sakmet, uh, who is eyebrow raised.

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Well, that looks like a spaceship.

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Okay.

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Now there is a lot of room for interpretation.

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Uh, there are many different things that can go on and we don't 100% understand, but I

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do believe that we understand it enough to point to the fact that this has been seen

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on many different worship sites for the god Sakmet.

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And, uh, so we can kind of draw from all of these conclusions that they were most likely

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referencing this.

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I can see your frustration.

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Space ship.

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All right, sir, we're going to have to get you out of this McDonald's.

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I am a ma'am.

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I'm sorry.

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Your deep baritone was difficult to overcome.

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That's what I imagine happens.

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Like I go around and I go to these tours of these, uh, I see these hieroglyphs and these

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people who are on the tours and the experts, they don't like what I see in it.

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No, they don't.

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That's fine.

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That's a different conversation than they're trying to lie to you about it or something

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like that.

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And then also I just disregard and don't approve of at all the idea of like dismissing of scholarship,

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like because the people that he's claiming are lying about all these things or people

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who dedicate their fucking lives to this research and do it in a rigorous academic setting.

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This is another really important thing.

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What he has done, what Pierre Sabac has done, and a lot of these people on Project Camelot

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have done, is short circuit and take a shortcut around, uh, like legitimate criticism.

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Rigorous study?

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Because people in academic settings who study, uh, I don't know, linguistics, study the evolution

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of language, they study cross-cultural, uh, language, uh, the, the way that, uh, like

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a word is used in one culture and then it's used in another, like borrowed, like all that

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sort of thing.

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That is a, that is a form of, of actual academics.

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What he has done is created the appearance of understanding any of that without any of

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the criticism that comes in the academic world.

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Because if you are saying that his studies aren't peer reviewed, if you are someone who

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is in the fucking academic world and you were making these sorts of arguments, you would

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never, it would never fly.

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All the academic world is, is about people being like, hold on now, let's, let's look

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at what you're saying.

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And if you are right, hooray.

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But if you're not, hooray also, because then we can refine our ideas from there, try and

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figure out where your misunderstanding come, came from and hope we can figure out a way

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that that also helps future understanding.

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And because he's not willing to engage in that process, he lives entirely outside of

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the academic world, but still pretends he's a part of it.

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And all it does is just, it's a cheat.

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It's a fake.

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It's the stolen valor of smart people.

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Yeah.

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Like that's the idea.

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Um, so in this next clip, Alex, see, get this.

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I said Alex, because in, in this next clip, they start talking about some really Alex-y

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things.

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Okay.

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And some of these things are exactly what you heard Alex espouse on Rogan's podcast,

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which is why this is even more relevant.

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God damn it.

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And also getting back to the mill, also military.

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So there's a military structure there.

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The, uh, the, the reptilians again, having a militant, a hierarchical structure, and they are

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where you get, uh, you know, the army gets its orders, so to speak.

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Absolutely agree with that.

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Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

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It's the centralized intelligence.

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So what we have there is Carrie and Pierre expressing exactly what Alex was talking about

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for a very long time on Rogan's podcast.

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How is it that everything is relevant?

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These aliens that, uh, they speak to are giving the military and intelligence orders and stuff

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like that.

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That is the big truth that Alex wanted to drop on Joe with like his, you, they take

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all the military, the general generals, and they take the DMT and then they go into meetings

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with aliens, all that shit.

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That's what's being expressed by Carrie and Pierre Sabac here.

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Like what, when we, when we look at that stuff coming out of Alex's mouth, it's not interesting.

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It's exactly what these fucks say.

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Yeah.

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Like, that's the point I want to make here is that like, he's not treated like these

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people, but he fucking should be.

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He should be seen as like, oh, you have, uh, you, you've lost it.

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Yeah, you're a silly bitch.

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Yeah.

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Instead of being like, oh, maybe he's talking about some secret document I haven't read.

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He hasn't.

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He's talking about the same shit that's on Project Camelot.

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Yeah.

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And it's just as unfounded.

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It's really disappointing that, uh, everything is fucking related to it.

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Like we do a episode of four episodes about the Sandy Hook investigation.

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And then the very next thing we do is something modern with him and Joe Rogan.

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And we talk about Sandy Hook and then we're like, let's do a Project Camelot episode.

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That'll be fun and unrelated to everything.

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And then bam, it's right back into Alex Jones shit.

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Well, some of that is the, the sort of just the foundation of why this show exists.

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Right.

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That's fair.

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When we started this and the reason that Project Camelot is part of our sphere is because there's

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a low key connection between them.

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Like, it's not like, it's not like that is, it doesn't always come up.

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No, but it often does.

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Yeah.

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And there is a connection that is really important to people.

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It is the same sort of, that's why I wish we would have named the show They're All Conmen

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or something like that.

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Yeah.

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You know, I wish-

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Is it too late?

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Yeah, it's too late now.

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It might be too late.

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We have a brand.

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It's a longer Twitter handle, that's for sure.

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Yeah.

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And that, but that is what it's all about.

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It is that these people are playing with different masks maybe or different presentations,

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but they're all doing similar cons in a certain way.

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That is manipulating gullible people into having political positions that are fucked

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up and are really bad.

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Like in this episode earlier, she was talking about the, like, we're under maritime law.

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That's trying to encourage people to be sovereign citizen-y.

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Right.

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And if you are encouraging people to be sovereign citizen-y, that's about as hard right as you

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can get.

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Well, you know-

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That's deeply, deeply right.

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You know that the word for snake oil in Greek is actually basiliskoso oil.

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No, that's king.

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It's snake oil.

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Oh, okay.

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No, it's office oil.

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Office oil.

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It's office oil?

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Yeah.

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That's a good product line.

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We're selling office oil.

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It's going to really do, I don't know, what do you need in the office?

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It's going to get you through the day.

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It's going to get you through the day.

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It's just weed.

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So that was one example that's pretty overt about like what Alex is bringing into the

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world now.

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But again, I do think, and much like Pierre, I can't prove any of this.

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Oh yeah.

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But I do think that it's probably partially an intentional plan on Alex's part.

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That he recognizes that these sorts of ideas are really attractive among the communities.

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He might be able to penetrate.

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He's Avi Joe's audience.

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And a lot of the people who are like, maybe even Project Camelot listeners, who are into

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these weird ideas.

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So the idea that he's mirroring things that you hear here, at its base is probably just

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Alex trying to diversify his audience portfolio.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I see what you're saying.

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But at the same time, he is still expressing those things and you hear them mirrored here.

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This next clip is a little bit worse because it's Kerry mirroring Alex in a very deep way.

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So we're also talking about money as being a form of basically, as you say, indebtedness

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or being imprisoned by this financial indebtedness.

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But it's the same system.

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Yeah, and then this is how they rule is through the indebtedness that one is supposed to feel

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and behave as if.

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And then their control over money as the Rothschilds, of course, the Red Shields, who are

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hiding the higher levels of the Anunnaki and Illuminati by their services to hide the

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others, right?

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Right.

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He does agree.

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Of course.

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But that's just like Federal Reserve kind of bullshit with a little bit better dressing

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on it.

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You know, that's the same thing that Alex talked about years and years ago about the

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idea that Rothschilds run the world and stuff and there's hidden powers behind them.

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She's just naming what those hidden powers are and they're aliens.

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That's all that is.

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Alex says globalists, she says Anunnaki.

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Yeah, I do remember that both Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders teamed up to audit the aliens.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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They wanted to audit those worship buckets.

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And only three senators were aliens at the time that the Federal Reserve was created.

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That's true.

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And that's why they got away with it all.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Because the language.

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And the part that I really find the most repulsive out of any of this is like, it's all bullshit.

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But there is an idea that is true behind it.

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And that is the system of debt that exists in the United States is an incredibly abusive

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system that business interests use to make you incapable of escaping their grasp to a

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certain extent.

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That is real.

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It's not some sort of a nefarious globalist alien plot or anything like that.

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It's the extension of unchecked capitalism.

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It's what happens if you can get away with it and you're an amoral company.

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Why wouldn't you trap people?

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Why wouldn't you?

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You know, it makes the most sense financially.

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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No, so many of these people, whenever they...

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You don't give a fuck what they're going through.

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Whenever they describe all of these problems and then, you know, you come up to them with

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historical based solutions.

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You know, whenever people describe, oh, indebtedness is making us all slaves, you know, like all

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of this stuff.

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And then you describe the solutions that are going to help them.

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They're like, not enough racism and it sounds like socialism.

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So I'm going to go with it's probably aliens.

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If Carrie wanted to be real with the shit, why wouldn't she come in to the studio and

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be like, listen, I've just uncovered a new plot.

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The reptilians have started payday loans or something like that.

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Why not?

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Because then you could use your services for good or something like that.

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Payday loans are 100% evil.

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Actually, they're 7000% evil, which is the amount of interest they charge over a short

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period of time.

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Don't fucking use whatever narratives you're bandying about in order to demonize the Rothschilds

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as if that fucking matters.

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No shit.

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As if their family's wealth hasn't been diffused over generations like that.

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There's a Rothschild who's getting a payday loan right now.

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Maybe.

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But like, yeah, use it for some sort of positive thing like that.

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Why not?

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Target your fucking audience.

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The aliens have created private prisons and we need to get rid of it.

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Bingo.

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There we go.

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We're all on the same team.

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Why not?

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Yeah.

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If you care, why not do that?

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Well, because...

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Because you don't care.

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Not you.

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I don't know.

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I think it's because they're trying to attract and they know they're trying to attract.

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Like that's...

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Hard right-winger.

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Whenever we talk about self-awareness for this, even if you're saying that they are

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on the stupid evil spectrum, you know, where they're more on the stupid side, they're smart

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enough to know who is going to buy their bullshit.

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And it's right-wingers and it's not because right-wingers are intrinsically stupider,

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it's that whatever language they want, whatever they want their points to be are more attractive

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to people on that side.

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Of course.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I 100% agree with that.

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But I mean, it's something that they would never accept.

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In the same way that Alex presents like and pretends that he was like, I'm above the

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political divide or whatever.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And Kerry's like, I'm not into politics.

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I'm talking about aliens.

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You're like, all that shit.

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No, you know.

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You know damn well that what you do, what you put into the world is attractive to people

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who are, I mean, aggressively skeptical.

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Like skeptical past the point of reasonability and anti-government, which is a hallmark of

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right-wing extremism.

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For sure.

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So, great.

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Hey, guys.

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Guys, great work.

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I'm really proud of all of you.

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But Jordan, look, I know that you're a guy who loves comic books.

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And I like comic books.

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You enjoy comic books.

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I like a good graphic novel, Dan.

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You're like a hero.

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I'm not a superhero comic book guy.

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I don't do superhero comics.

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I can't do them.

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But have you ever in your life?

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When you were a younger man?

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No, I've never done superhero.

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Where do you put Swamp Thing on that?

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Do you think he's a superhero?

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Um, I think Swamp Thing is a tragic representation of the damage that we are doing to the environment.

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Well, I understand that.

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But do you think he's a superhero?

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Because he has powers.

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I don't think so.

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He has powers.

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Powers don't make you a superhero, Dan.

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Dan, so many people could be Spider-Man.

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It's not about Spider-Man's powers.

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It's about the choice to be a hero, Dan.

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Okay, so now that makes me...

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We could all be heroes.

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That makes me think that you do like Marvel stuff and you're just saying that they aren't superheroes.

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That's what I'm hearing right now.

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No, I'm saying that we could all be heroes.

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Just for one day.

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It doesn't take powers, Dan.

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It doesn't take powers.

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Right.

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I think a lot of that is the sort of thrust behind a lot of the superhero stories.

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Yeah, of course.

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If you engage with the mythology of it.

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No, I just mean I don't read the serialized comics.

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Sure.

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I like the mythology.

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I only bring that up because we're about to...

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We're going to get into some wild misrepresentations of heroes with superheroes in comic books.

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Oh, okay.

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I remember the Greek for Iron Man is actually Iron Man.

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Ferrum Anthropos.

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No, that's Latin and Greek.

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In Iron Man.

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That was Latin and...

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Yeah.

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So, Jordan, here comes.

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We're getting into comic books.

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Are you ready?

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I don't know.

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Well, what's interesting about this, I think this is really fascinating and that is...

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Hold on.

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Carrie...

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Shazam!

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No.

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Now I am.

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Okay.

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Carrie is bringing in stuff that's very familiar to Alex Jones' world,

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but then trying to bridge the gap with comic book world.

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It's really insane.

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When I heard this clip, I got really troubled in a way that I don't generally with her.

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You'll see what I mean.

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But what I want to ask you has to do with the role of 5G,

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which is the Internet of Things, as you may have followed the information,

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and as well as the fact that there's a high degree of radiation.

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Always, it seems, in connection with technology.

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So even 4G has a lot of radiation and that this is somehow supposed to be detrimental to humans,

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and yet at the same time, it's quite possible that this radiation, that mutants,

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if you follow the X-Men story, and this is all based on secret space program knowledge,

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that if you want to create basically a mutated human or special powers in a human,

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get them to expand into their brain that they don't use, etc.

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What you need to do is to douse them with radiation or douse the mother with radiation.

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So this is, in essence, what they are doing now to planet Earth,

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and people are in a panic over this.

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Uh, boy.

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People are in a panic.

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People are in a panic.

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So what's interesting is that Carrie and Alex are both concerned about 5G technology,

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but their concern seems slightly different.

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And as much as Carrie's concerned, it's going to create the X-Men.

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Is that a concern or like a bonus?

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Well, I mean, I think that if you watch any of those movies,

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you know that some of these mutations can go pretty terribly.

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Right.

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You know, there's a lot of devastating effects that come from a Magneto or whatever,

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but also Magneto probably wouldn't behave the way he did if people just accepted mutants.

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It is kind of an allegory.

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But there are some rogue categories of, you know, just like, just completely destructive villains.

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Yeah, like that guy who was a toad or whatever.

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That's a destructive toad.

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Yeah, I think his name was Toad.

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Pretty creative.

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I get, I get it.

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I get it.

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Do you know, do you know why, do you know why all of those arguments are easily bullshit?

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Well, one, because they're incredibly stupid.

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Right.

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Just on their face.

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Just on their face.

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The X-Men is a secret space program, uh, plan.

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Of course.

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Cool.

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No, that's, that's utterly stupid.

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But part of the reason that it is such a stupid idea is because those comics started, uh,

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around the timeline when we understood radiation.

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Right.

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So it stands to-

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There was something I was going to bring up a little bit later, but yeah.

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So it stands to reason that were radiation to be capable of creating mutants with higher powers,

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it would have happened 70 fucking years ago.

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Radiation was like a sensational topic in the early sixties, uh, late fifties,

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when a lot of these comic books were starting to be created and it became a MacGuffin.

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It just became like a storytelling device that was super easy, uh, in order to tell

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these stories that, I mean, with the X-Men, if you really want to get into that, it's

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about people who are different, not being accepted by humanity as a whole.

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And some people responding poorly to that and some people trying to heal the schism or whatever.

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That's the idea.

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That's the metaphor of the X-Men that you can tell a hundred different stories with.

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And they have done way more than a hundred.

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Well, I mean, when you look at, uh, what, uh, I don't know, remember, is it the first

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or the second X-Men, uh, it was, there was an entire, uh, coming out allegory there of

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like, this is the gay experience of coming out.

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And I remember that line.

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There was one line that I thought justified literally the entire X-Men series.

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Whenever somebody comes out to their mother as an X-Man and she goes, have you tried not

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being in a mutant?

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And you're like, that is the fucking line.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's that in the movies.

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And then the, like, I don't know necessarily if it was intended to be any specific group

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group that is othered or anything like that, but you read those early X-Men comics.

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That's, that's what it's about.

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It's about groups that are marginalized, needing to find each other, to help each other

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exist in the world where people don't understand them.

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So like for her to, for her to be like, that's a secret space program kind of thing where

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you get radiation into people and then you create these mutants and that's what they

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have, that implies to me that that's something that she's had in her mind for a while.

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That like, hey, we should be pretty concerned about the idea that they're making 4G, not

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even just 5G, 4G technology is just to flood women with radiation so they give super babies

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out.

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Do you know how you can definitively prove that that's stupid?

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Is it because...

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Any test with radiation?

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Well, not just that, but historically in the 1950s, whenever radiation was this new, cool

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fucking thing, they used to put it in goddamn toothpaste so your teeth would glow and you

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then lost all your teeth.

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You didn't get superpowers.

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Another good...

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You just lost all your teeth.

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Another good argument is General Stubblebine who tried to create superpowers in people

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and failed miserably, but Alex thinks that's a whitewash.

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Wow, there were so many times where they would do these military tests where they would set

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off, they would set off a nuclear bomb and they would have...

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And oh, oh, I know what you're going to say.

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What?

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Bunch of soldiers got superpowers.

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No.

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Instead, they did this training exercise where they walked through the debris that was left

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over to see whether or not they were visible and what if we could set off a nuclear bomb

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and then we could use that also as a cloaking technique and those guys did not get superpowers.

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Bullshit.

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Instead, they died of cancer.

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Bullshit.

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That is how that went.

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Bullshit.

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Yeah, so it's not superpowers, it's cancer.

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It turns out the carry is operating under a, I don't know, 70-year-old fantasy understanding

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of what radiation does to people.

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Exactly, exactly.

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That's nuts.

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Well, hold on.

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Hold on, Dan.

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Sure, maybe it kills 99.9% of people who get exposed to too much radiation, but what about

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that 0.01%, Dan?

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They're all in bunkers having their secret abilities tested right now.

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That sounds right.

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It's all off the books.

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Sounds right.

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Sure.

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So, I would say, in terms of a conspiracy that you can't prove, I would, fine, whatever.

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I'll take that as like a side thing.

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X-Men?

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Well, no, because that I, if you want to tell me that, I'll say I reject it first.

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The whole club.

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First.

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Okay.

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But if you tell me that 99.9% of people who are exposed to tons and tons of radiation

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get cancer and it's a horrible debilitating thing, and then that tiny 1, like 0.001% or

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whatever, get superpowers and the government is testing them in a lab, I'm going to tell

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you I can't disprove that.

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I don't think it's true.

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Right.

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My gut says no, and I'll wait until there's any evidence of that to say it is true.

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But Carrie is a bad representative to make this argument, because what she says in this

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next clip made me laugh so fucking hard.

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This is true.

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Put your mic down, because it goes back to Marvel, and Carrie has some news about Marvel

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that is actually news from 1962.

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Wait, wait, we got the Dark Phoenix trailer?

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Is that what she's going to talk about?

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No, you wish.

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I wish!

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This is news from 1962.

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I do remember the TV series The Incredible Hulk, and The Incredible Hulk turned into

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the Hulk due to this high level of gamma radiation which altered his DNA.

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Well, I have recently also found that the Spider-Man was also bit by a radioactive spider.

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This is very key, because this is where they are going.

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She's fucking me.

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She's fucking with me, right?

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She is fucking with all of us.

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That is bullshit, there's no way.

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She is fucking with us.

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She has recently found out that the Spider-Man was bit by a radioactive spider.

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No, no, I don't buy that at all.

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She has recently found out.

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She just winked at us.

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She just winked at all of us.

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She just took a, that was a mug to the camera.

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I don't think so.

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That was a, what's her fuck from SNL who does the mugging?

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I don't think it was.

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No way.

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It's crazy.

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Look.

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I just found out that the Spider-Man was bit by a radioactive spider.

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An essential plot point of this character who's existed, like I said, since 1962 in

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comic books and has, I don't know, 20 movies have come out in the last 10 years.

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There's so many Spider-Man movies!

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There's so many Spider-Man movies, they've got the origin story like five times.

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If she's talking about that now, specifically, this is recent, right?

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This came out like a week ago.

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Okay.

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So do you know what else came out very recently?

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Dark Phoenix trailer.

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No.

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Oh.

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Oh, Into the Spider-Verse.

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Into the Spider-Verse.

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Got a best, it got an Oscar.

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Exactly.

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And do you know why?

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It is amazing.

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It is so good.

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I haven't seen it, but the trailer made me want to see it.

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You should see it.

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It's fucking fantastic.

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Very rare that a trailer makes me want to see a movie.

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Also, I should say that part of it is because I know that Nicolas Cage is one of the voices.

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Oh, man.

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You have no idea.

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It's so good.

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Nicolas Cage.

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So good.

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Nicolas Cage coming in to do that movie.

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Nicolas Cage.

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That's a good sign.

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That's Nicolas Cage.

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Yeah.

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So Carrie has found out that the Spider-Man has been bit by a radioactive spider.

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It's about time.

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I can't stress how crazy that is.

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She can't possibly...

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No, she had to have been fucking with us.

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No.

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Because when I heard that clip, I was like, all right, I get it.

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If he's talking about how the Hulk, the Incredible Hulk, he becomes...

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Also from the 70s.

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Maybe the Lou Ferrigno.

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Yeah, exactly.

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He's talking about the Lou Ferrigno TV series.

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It's possible.

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I don't know of another TV series.

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There have been movies.

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There has not been another TV series.

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He's talking about Lou Ferrigno.

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So he's bringing that into the conversation.

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Yeah, there's been cartoons.

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He's brought that into the conversation.

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And so Carrie coming in with like, also Spider-Man was bit by a radioactive spider.

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I'd be like, you're just adding to the conversation.

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Right.

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When she said recently...

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Recently found out that's disturbing.

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Recently.

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That's what I'm saying.

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She's fucking with us.

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That's an unacceptable word to be in the conversation.

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She has to have been fucking with us.

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There's no way I will buy that.

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Not even...

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Look, at the very least, she's a human being in 2019.

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She knows about the fucking Spider-Man.

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There have been countless trailers.

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Not even...

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She doesn't even need to see the movie.

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Just the trailer for movies.

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Where Spider-Man was bitten by a reed.

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The Tobey Maguire ones in the trailers definitely had him getting bit by a spider.

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Definitely.

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A hundred percent.

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One hundred percent.

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I remember that very clearly.

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No way does she...

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The first one came out in 2001.

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And I only remember that because I worked at a movie theater back then.

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Right.

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And there were trailers for it that had the Twin Towers in it.

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That got recalled.

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Oh yeah.

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Because it spun a web between the Twin Towers that caught an enemy helicopter.

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That's fucking crazy.

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Yeah, and so they had to be recalled.

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We had these people who came and reacquired all of the trailers.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, no, no.

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Don't ever show that.

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That sort of thing.

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Right.

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No, that's what happened to the first Strokes album.

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Is this it?

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It came out on 9-11 and they had to recall all of them because it's so many references

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to the Twin Towers.

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So it's been...

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I don't know.

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Let me look at my clock. 18 years since the first big Spider-Man movie came out.

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Even before that, there was the Amazing Spider-Man cartoon all the way back in...

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Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.

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Friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.

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He was...

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She was fucking with us.

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No, no, no.

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This is too far.

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She recently found out.

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This is too far.

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This is too far.

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No, no, no.

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Unacceptable.

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It is unacceptable.

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Unacceptable.

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No matter what the argument is, it's unacceptable.

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Yeah.

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I'm not sure what it is, but it's unacceptable.

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You recently found out.

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That is impossible.

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That is impossible.

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It's crazy.

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But not even that.

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Not even...

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Here's why that is 100% impossible.

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This is not the first conspiracy douchebag to talk about Marvel characters and radiation.

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And she's gone to so many of these conferences, so many of these paranormal bullshit.

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Sooner or later in her 20-year career of being a conspiracy theorist lunatic, somebody must

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have been at a panel and have been like, mutants are created.

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It's just like in Spider-Man.

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They're trying to externalize the shit by Spider-Man's comic books.

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She's fucking with us.

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No.

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But she never brings that up.

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And she is now.

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And I think...

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That's crazy.

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I think there's one possibility she's fucking with us.

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And if so, well done, Carrie.

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Well done, Carrie.

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Because it hinges on one word.

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It hinges on recent.

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Recently.

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That's crazy.

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If she just said that, I'd be like, let's laugh at this.

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Play the clip one more time.

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But the recently is so fucked up.

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I need to hear this one more time.

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I really need to know if she's fucking with me.

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I do remember the TV series The Incredible Hulk.

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And The Incredible Hulk turned into The Hulk due to this high level of gamma radiation,

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which altered his DNA.

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Well, I have recently also found that the Spider-Man was also bit by a radioactive spider.

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This is very key because this is where they are going.

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She is so deadpan.

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It's hard to tell.

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She has to be fucking with us.

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But that sounds real.

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Also...

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She is Phil Hartman.

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She is Phil Hartman level straight manning right now.

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The Incredible Hulk also didn't turn into The Hulk because of radiation.

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He turned into The Hulk when he became angry because of something that happened with radiation.

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Like, he doesn't become The Hulk because of the radiation.

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I understand that that's the root of it.

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But it's when he gets angry, he turns into The Hulk.

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He's Bruce Banner or David Banner, depending on when the time frame was.

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Depending on our Ferrigno levels.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, no, I don't know how she's not fucking with us.

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The more I listen to this, the more I think I like the idea that she's fucking with us.

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And if it is, like I said, well played, Kerry.

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Second, if she's not, which I don't think she is, I think it is probably what you were

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speculating that is that Into the Spider-Verse came out.

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Oh, for sure.

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And it's a more diverse version of Spider-Man that I think that people end up

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have been attacking much more from the right.

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In the same way that when Ghostbusters came out with women, everyone on the right was

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super attacking it, and they're like, fuck this, I hate this noise.

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And so the idea of Into the Spider-Verse being a movie that came out with a black Spider-Man.

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Miles Morales, man.

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And then a bunch of other Spider-Men, a woman Spider-Man.

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Spider-Gwen.

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Right.

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And of course, John Mulaney's perfect...

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Spider-Pig.

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Spider-Pig.

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Peter Porker.

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And then my man, Nic Cage.

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Nic Cage is 1930s Spider-Man, Spider Noir or whatever it is.

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So there is a diverse idea of that identity of Spider-Man or whatever.

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And it's entirely possible that just there was so much right-wing backlash to it,

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and that's the stuff that she sees online, that she became aware of it.

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Well, there's also the multiverse theory in Into the Spider-Verse.

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Oh, she certainly loves that.

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So that may be one of the reasons that it penetrated into her bullshit consciousness.

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I mean, maybe, but I think the bigotry is a much more likely option.

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Right.

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In terms of why are you...

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Of course.

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Why is this now stuck in your craw?

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It's been 80 years almost since Spider-Man came out.

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Like, it's been a long fucking time.

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Oh, God.

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I don't know.

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No, not 80 years.

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70-ish.

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It's been a long time.

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62?

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Well, do you know what I just recently found out?

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Superman is an alien.

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He's not even from here.

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You know what I recently found out?

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What?

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Found out this Batman guy.

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He wouldn't fight crime if his parents weren't murdered.

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No shit!

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Yeah.

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Oh, shit.

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God damn it.

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Do you know what I just...

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So I think that the globalists or the reptilians want to murder people's parents in order to

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make them vigilantes.

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Right.

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Here's what I just recently found out.

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Mm-hmm.

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This goblin character...

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Oh, no.

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His whole thing is that he's green.

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It's bananas.

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He's the Green Goblin.

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You know what I just found out?

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I thought he was just a regular goblin.

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You know what I just found out?

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What?

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There's this undersea guy.

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We can do this bit for an hour.

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We can talk to fish.

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I honestly am not sure if I'm gonna go with Aquaman or Namor at this point.

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Do you know what's crazy?

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What's up?

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I watched the Aquaman movie, the most recent one.

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Sure, it's great.

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Jason Momoa?

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No, it has really negative consequences.

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Oh, no.

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That nobody deals with during the show.

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There's this massive undersea war about whatever it is, right?

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And Jason Momoa, Aquaman, can communicate with all of the animals or whatever,

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but it is not presented as communication so much as it is mind control.

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So what Jason Momoa does...

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Linguistics.

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What Jason Momoa does is create an army of slaves and nobody ever talks about that.

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That is wrong, Dan.

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I don't disagree.

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Yeah.

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I don't disagree.

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Aquaman is a slaver.

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I don't know.

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I just recently found out that these guys are really good at driving cars.

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Oh, yeah?

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And it spiraled out of control from there into them being involved in basically espionage.

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Was there an X?

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These guys are so good at driving cars.

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I almost thought you were talking about Speed Racer.

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No, I'm talking about Fast and Furious, but I lost the thread.

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Don't know how to do this because there's no actual superpowers

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until Hobbs and Shaw, which is coming out.

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I can't wait for it.

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There are absolutely superpowers, which are the complete inability to die,

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regardless of any circumstances.

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That is true.

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They do seem to have that Wolverine-style regenerative product.

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They take the main character shield to a ridiculous degree.

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Which I appreciate.

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Anyway, Fast and Furious is better than Spider-Man.

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You haven't seen Into the Spider-Verse.

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No, I'm sure it's awesome.

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It's actually really great.

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But I'll still die on that hill that Fast and Furious is better than all other franchises

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of all time.

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Anyway, Carrie has recently found out about Spider-Man.

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We've taken way too long to talk about that because it's the craziest bullshit in the

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world.

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That's insane!

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It's nonsense.

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That is insane!

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So we come to the end of this episode, Jordan, and what we have is in front of us a tableau

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of just someone who doesn't understand linguistics pretending he's a linguistics expert,

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which is fun.

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I think that Robert Temple stuff is really fun, and I always enjoy that sort of conversation.

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So we got to talk about that.

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Then this, this at the end, the confluence of the Alexie narratives, whether it's the

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sovereign citizenship, whether it's the Rothschild banking nonsense, whether it's the ideas of

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like 5G being dangerous.

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Yeah.

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Like, it's very similar.

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These worlds are similar.

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For sure.

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The way they're not similar is that Alex is concerned about 5G as trying to give people

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cancer.

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Carrie is concerned it's going to create the X-Men, and she has recently found out about

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the Spider-Man.

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I can't!

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Which is nuts.

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That is nuts.

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It's nuts.

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I love it.

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That's why we talk about this.

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I don't, I don't like it.

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That's why we talk about this shit.

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I don't like it that Alex has a literal reasonable position in terms of radiation causing cancer.

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Well, it's a little bit exaggerated, but it has a base in reasonable.

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It is bananas exaggerated, but the idea of radiation causing cancer makes sense.

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It's fair.

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Yeah.

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Whereas radiation creating the X-Men, not fair.

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The idea that you don't know the Spider-Man, I can't get over that.

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Anyway, Carrie, if you're trolling us, good job.

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Good on ya.

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Good on ya.

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But Carrie is the Eddie Bravo of this episode.

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Yeah, we needed a break from some reality-based stuff, and so I'm glad we took this diversion.

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It's weird for us to do this on a Monday, but that's what it is.

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We had a long string of, you know, everybody needed a wacky Wednesday on a Monday.

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We needed a breath.

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We all did.

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A little bit of a pause.

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We all needed it.

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Yeah, but we'll be back with another episode on Wednesday.

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But also, I did an interview with a gentleman, Brad.

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He has a podcast called the Cosmic Geppetto Podcast, which everyone should go check out.

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I believe there's actually even, I think he posted a link to it in our group on Facebook.

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I'm not good at...

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That's cool shit.

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I'm not good at promotion or re-promotion or anything like that.

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I think our entire careers have proved that.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But you can find it, Cosmic Geppetto.

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It was a good time.

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I really enjoyed talking to him.

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If you listen to this podcast pretty regularly, I don't think that we talk about all that much

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that's new, but it was a great conversation.

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So check it out.

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Good.

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Everybody do that.

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Beyond that...

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For my plugs, if you would like to see me do stand-up,

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just start going to a lot of stand-up shows and then maybe sometime you'll see me.

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Those are my plugs.

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Randomness plugs.

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This is why we are bad at promotion.

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Chaos plugs.

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But we have a website, knowledgefight.com,

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where you can find all kinds of information about our show and stuff.

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Indeed you can.

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Dan, do we have a Twitter account?

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We do.

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It's knowledge underscore fight.

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We're also on iTunes.

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You can find that.

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Review, subscribe, rate, all that good stuff.

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But hey, look, Pierre has murdered the English language.

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I will say that.

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I don't think he's murdered the English language.

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He's murdered all languages.

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He has wrought devastation upon linguistics as a form of study,

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but he's never murdered anybody.

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And I appreciate that on some levels.

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Because there's this one guy, he killed a guy.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:16.119)

Spider-Man?

Unknown Speaker (02:07:16.680)

Technically...

Unknown Speaker (02:07:17.159)

Nope.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:17.720)

Okay.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:18.600)

Maybe, probably.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:19.079)

I don't know.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:19.880)

Probably.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:20.279)

I bet he has.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:21.079)

Technically.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:21.720)

Yeah, but he doesn't exist.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:23.399)

That's true.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:23.880)

That's a big issue.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:25.319)

Although the government's working on it apparently.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:27.159)

One of these days.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:28.119)

But for now, one guy has probably technically murdered a guy, and that's Alex Jones.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:34.279)

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:35.720)

Thanks for holding.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:38.279)

Hello, Alex.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:39.000)

I'm a first time caller.

Unknown Speaker (02:07:39.960)

I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.