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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around,

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drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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What type of bird would you be, if you had to be a bird?

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I feel like it would be wrong of me to say anything other than cardinal, seeing as I'm from

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Missouri. Gotta love our baseball there, you know, all my friends are big Redbirds fans,

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so I should probably say cardinal.

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You should probably say cardinal.

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But then I could piss everybody off in Missouri by saying Oriole, or Blue Jay.

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Do people in Missouri care about Baltimore and Toronto?

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I'm not sure they do, I just think of other baseball teams that are birds.

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I don't know, I don't want to be a bird, so I'd choose a cardinal,

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just because that seems like there's an other consideration.

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You don't want to be a bird?

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Fuck no.

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You've never wanted to fly?

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No, birds are dumb, flying to windows all the time and stuff.

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It seems like not a very fun life.

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See, now we've learned a lot about you.

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Well, I also don't like seeds all that much, like sunflower seeds don't charm me.

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It's like whatever they eat and like suet looks gross.

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You are not focusing on the positives of being a bird here.

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Even fly, fine, whoopty shit.

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Come on, the skies are yours!

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Yeah, but you gotta eat seeds.

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And the flying is clearly too much of a risk, you run into things all the time.

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But you gotta take risks to live a rich, full life, Dan.

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Nah.

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Okay, fair enough.

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When I used to work at Walgreens over on Western,

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it was some of the worst times of my life here in Chicago.

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I had just moved to town, everything was going bad.

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No, stand-up was not going well, the job sucked, I was miserable.

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But I couldn't leave it because I needed to pay rent and stuff.

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And so one day I'm out on a smoke break and I'm in front of the store smoking a cigarette

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and a bird falls out of the sky in front of me dead.

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It was at that moment, I realized I did not want to be a bird.

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I don't want to work at Walgreens anymore.

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That is exactly, when Bernie was giving that big speech and the bird landed on the podium

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and just kind of hung out there and everyone was like,

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Oh my God, if a bird had just suddenly fallen and died,

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we all would have been like, nah, this Bernie guy isn't for us.

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It really was like, it was like someone was writing a story.

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I'm depressed.

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I'm having a real bad time.

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Even birds are dying when they get around how sad your life is.

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No good.

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So yeah, I don't want to be a bird.

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Okay.

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All right.

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But I do want to know more about Alex Jones as, I mean, I already know quite a bit.

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Yeah.

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And I only know what you tell me, so I need you to learn more in order for me to learn more.

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And that's what this show is about.

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Jordan, we've got an interesting episode to go over today, but before we get to that,

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I need to give a shout out to a couple of new people who've signed up and are supporting the show.

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So first of all, like to say, thank you to Connor.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Connor.

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Thank you very much.

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Cardinal Connor.

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Could be next.

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Hmanchi Tchi, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much.

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Next will.

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You're now policy wonk.

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Thank you.

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Will next?

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Michael, thank you so much.

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You're now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much, Michael.

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Next Piss tape.

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granddad you are now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk thank you pissed ape

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granddad I'm sure we've met many a time at conventions sure yeah and finally I

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like to say thank you to somebody who joined up on a little bit of an

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elevated level and we appreciate it oh so very much so Sherry thank you so much

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you are now a technocrat I'm a policy wonk someone someone sodomite sent me a

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bucket of poop daddy shark bomb bomb bomb about Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean

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black accent he's a loser little little titty baby I don't want to hate black

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people I Jesus Christ thank you so much Jerry thank you very much Jerry if you

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were listening out there and you're thinking hey I like what these guys do

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I'd like to support their efforts you can do that by going to our website it's

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knowledgefight.com there's a button on that says support the show and we would

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appreciate it indeed we would so Jordan today what we're doing is we are staying

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in 2012 oh man we are continuing the investigation into what happened in

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Alex Jones's coverage after Sandy Hook and I know that this is three episodes

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in a row we haven't done three episodes in the same year in a row in a year yeah

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it's a little wild yeah one of the reasons it has been three episodes in a

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row is we're getting into the investigation I think it's important for

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us to find our feet you know find our base before we have breaks in between

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the episodes where we're developing the themes we're learning more we need to

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get our you know ground stone right in place currently all our base belong to

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them right now that is not to say that we will only be doing you know it's not

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like the next five ten episodes are all going to be Sandy Hook investigation

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episodes but for now it you know I don't know what I'm trying to say but you know

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maybe three in a row three that is that way that was all you were trying to say

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isn't it three in a row I guess there was a lot more to go on felt like I had

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a point and then they started talking and I did that's what happened happened

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sometimes that does happen sometimes um so today Jordan we're gonna be going

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over December 17th and 18th last we left off we covered the Sunday show on the

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16th and Alex was it seemed like he had found his moral center and that was

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defending guns right and now we have the Monday show so it's back to the regular

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week and you wonder if that's going to change anything if that's going to have

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a different feel than his Sunday show and I'll say a lot of it is still just

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about defending cuts yeah I I'm not surprised by that I'm not surprised that

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anytime there's a threat to guns he's gonna spend the next week being like

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every people get killed all the time by knives and shit man but there are some

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interesting developments that go along the way some interesting pieces of his

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rhetoric that enter the conversation that haven't so much in the past and

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it's interesting because if this gave me an opportunity to look into them a

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little bit more and his first clip is actually a great example of that Alex

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trying to reinforce his insinuation that the government probably did Sandy Hook

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without full-throatedly saying okay it as we've heard so far he's compared it

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to all these other things that he believes are fake whether it's the Aurora

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shooting right whether it's Kaczynski that sort of stuff and now he pulls up

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an interesting piece of history to bring it to the conversation there are some

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government operations where they've been caught red-handed staging mass shootings

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especially in Europe where our own government staged them via operation

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Gladio and the NATO option that has been declassified that program went on from

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the 50s into the 1980s including mass shootings at schools train stations

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blowing up school buses shooting up school buses and was used to take guns

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all over Europe and it has been declassified partially by the u.s.

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completely by the Italians that it was staged to take the liberties and disarm

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the people an operation Gladio op could have been operation Ajax was mass

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shootings to take the guns and I ran in 1953 our government with the British

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shot up a bunch of mosque and then paid the Muslim leadership to call for gun

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confiscation so there's been a lot of different things that have happened this

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fits thing mo the mo of it you have a mass guy come in shoot the people they

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exfiltrate and then of course you have the drugged up Patsy you shoot in the

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head so you can kind of get the sense of what he's trying to insinuate with this

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talk of operation Gladio yeah yeah Jack's nobody ever brings up operation

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Sajak though because it's very random it is yeah you just go around the wheel

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you never know never know you never know go bankrupt playing that guy

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absolutely so whenever Alex wants to suggest something that some kind of

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tragedy is fake and he needs to prove that what he's saying isn't ludicrous

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this if he just wants to not have any real defensibility he can point to his

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Aurora shooting narrative stuff like that and that's good enough for most of

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the time but when he needs to appear like he's not being crazy he'll

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inevitably bring up operation Gladio and with less regularity operation Ajax both

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of these were ops that were clandestine operations that the government was

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involved in to an extent they're both fucked up pieces of our history but if

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you take a closer look at them you'll see that neither of them really help

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reinforce the point that he's trying to make namely that the United States

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government is perfectly fine with killing their own civilians in order to

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take Alex's guns operation Gladio refers to the stay behind networks that were

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put in place in countries throughout Europe after World War two the reasoning

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for creating these secret units was obviously that they were worried about

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the Soviet Union and their Warsaw Pact allies invading and having people in

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place in the country to countries involved to deal with that possibility

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was deemed preferable to having large standing armies or doing what they were

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doing previous to like in World War two having these people who were allied with

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the cause of fighting against the Soviet Union but it was so disorganized that

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they would rely on like late-night supply drops and fractured communication

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okay okay people yeah they deemed that setting up these cells of people right

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in secret operation were the best way to do it I don't know so was was this also

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part of operation Dumbo drop it's similar but without elephants different

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okay I'm intentionally not going to take a stance on their choice neither for or

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against it because I'm not really sure that I can say that I'm an expert on the

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factors that led to these countries choosing that path and to pretend that I

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am would be dishonest to you and to our listeners right that being said there

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are a lot of claims about operation Gladio that are accepted and repeated in

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conspiracy circles that are not reflective of established fact but based

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solely on assumptions one of these is that the CIA was involved in Gladio

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another is that the stay behind networks in these countries committed false flag

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terror events in order to achieve their political goals the basic idea here is

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that these groups were created to fight back against the threat of the invasion

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from the Soviet Union that never came to exist so in order to proceed with the

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agenda that they were created to push the appearance of that threat needed to

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be created and thus these groups began fake terror attacks to blame their

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political enemies took so to create the perception of Soviet infiltration or

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whatever they would commit these acts that they would blame on so right forces

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or communists right right so the stay behind networks did in fact do that that

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is what the conspiracy world believes but we do not know for a fact they did

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that no a lot of this interpretation comes from a 2004 book by Danielle

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Ganser called NATO secret armies operation Gladio and terrorism in

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Western Europe I'm almost certain that this is where Alex is getting his ideas

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about Gladio from because his version of it and the one espoused in the book

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match almost perfectly the bad news about Ganser's book is that it isn't

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really so much a book that contains documented history as much as it is a

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book full of misused true information mixed up with unfounded assumptions and

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rumor Olav wrist of the Norwegian Institute for Defense Studies was a

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researcher on the topic of Norway during the Cold War and he dug up some

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information about the actions of stay-behind networks in his home

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country his information is used in Ganser's book and even cited in the

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bibliography Olav found that his primary research was being completely

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misrepresented by cancer saying quote a detailed refutation of the many

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unfounded allegations that Ganser accepts as historical findings would

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fill an entire book other reviews of his book followed similar patterns Hayden

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peak an expert who's frequently published in journals regarding

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intelligence and operations took a little bit of a stronger tone than Olav

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quote proof is a problem for Ganser he complains at the outset he was unable to

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find any official sources to support his charges at the CIA's or any Western

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European government's involvement with Gladio nevertheless his book devotes

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14 chapters to the quote secret war in various Western nations on his list

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Ganser fails to document his thesis you say 14 14 chapter he doesn't know any

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there's zero information 14 chap but he wrote that that he had zero information

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on zero documented factual information man that is that is really ringing blood

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out of a stone then man this guy is killing it he's good at stretching yeah

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so to finish his quote quote Ganser fails to document his thesis that the

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CIA mi6 and NATO and its friends turned Gladio into a terrorist organization

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right which is the fundamental assumption and charge that's being made

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and the belief that Alex has and a large part of the conspiracy world has

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conspiracy theory yeah it was the a-team who did that could have all of them

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could have been face everybody everybody hired they were their mercenaries that's

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why it doesn't matter what country they're in and if you need a job done

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right mm-hmm you gotta call the a-team that's that's true they have a good

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batting average yeah so Ganser wrote these things but he didn't prove them

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but Alex takes that book or at least the ideas espoused in it as proof when he

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really shouldn't especially considering that in 2005 it was revealed that a lot

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of Ganser's narrative relies on a historical forgery that he took to be

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authentic this is what's known as supplement B to the US Army's field

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manual 30-31 which purports to be a classified section of the very real

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field manual 30-31 but is in fact a forgery put out in the 1970s by Soviet

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disinformation teams the forged document contains exactly what Alex Jones thinks

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quote there may be times when host country governments show passivity or

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indecision in the face of communist or communist inspired subversion and react

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with inadequate vigor to intelligence estimates transmitted by US agencies

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such situations are particularly likely to arise when the insurgency seeks to

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achieve tactical advantage by temporarily refraining from violence

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thus lulling host country authorities into a state of false security in such

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cases US Army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations

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which will convince the host country governments and public opinion of the

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reality of the insurgent danger and of the necessity of counter action to this

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end US Army intelligence should seek to penetrate the insurgency by means of

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agents on special assignment with the tasks of forming special action groups

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among the more radical elements of the insurgency when the kind of situation

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and visit envisaged above arises these groups acting under US Army intelligence

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controls should be used to launch violent or nonviolent actions according

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to the nature of the case so this is basically the protocols of the writers

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of the field manual yeah and well it's Russian propaganda that they are good

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man right that sounds great right he should have known it was a forgery when

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he saw that it was written in crayon though it's all that is a big red flag

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another big red flag is it's almost too good you know it's it's kind of yeah

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exactly what you would need to prove exactly that everything is fake right or

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whatever and it it's not if you exclude this document that serious scholars and

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formal investigations have ruled to be a forgery then the evidence that the stay

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behind networks that were part of operation Gladio actually committed any

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false flag terrorism completely falls apart in the interest of fairness there

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have been some indications that old weapons caches from Gladio style stay

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behind networks very may well have been used in later terrorist attacks and even

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if that's true that's a far cry from proving that the CIA or mi6 converted

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these groups into terrorist groups there's a hundred other explanations

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that could account for that so I don't take that to be like a good piece of

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evidence of from Alex's like it doesn't sound great no no it falls apart yeah

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when you look at it so operation Gladio for me is kind of out the window I'm

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still bummed about the 14 chapters you know I have a long book I have a hard

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time writing that much when I do have all the information that's that's too

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many words yeah but if you think you're like breaking something that'll change

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the world some sort of news that'll change the world I imagine it gets those

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so he's writing like Jack Kerouac is what you're saying he's got the spirits

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he's got the scroll going down gotcha and as for operation Ajax Jordan that

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one is more real but Alex isn't really using it correctly that operation refers

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to the CIA's 1953 overthrow of Mohammed Mossadegh and the reinstallation of the

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Shah into his dictatorship over Iran well this is a great example of the CIA

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doing something underhanded and what you could easily call evil it doesn't really

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work to help Alex's point about the globalists doing false flags in the

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United States for one pretty big reason and that is motive operation Ajax

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happened because Mossadegh was leading a massively popular drive to nationalize

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the oil assets of the British company in charge of their oil the Anglo-Iranian

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oil company which was a huge threat to a lot of people's profits the CIA

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rationalized overthrowing Mossadegh by appealing to the idea that if they

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allowed him to take over Iran all the oil would be in the hands of communists

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and that would be a real problem yeah self-determination for sovereign states

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ah we can't have that it was 1953 after right that sort of mentality was quite

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widespread it's so good that we're done overthrowing people riots were

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manufactured in the Shah swept in and removed Mossadegh from power with the

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full support of the US government at mi6 because they knew he would be easier to

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play ball with of course that is the choice that was made that is kind of how

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we do things I know history is more complicated than that brief summation of

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it but the thing that sticks out to me is that Alex is way out of line using

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this as a piece of evidence to support his worldview all of his narratives are

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built on the backs of people who existed solely to demonize communism he loves

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the John Birch Society and all the most virulent anti-communist weasels you can

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find he excuses all sorts of evil in the name of saying at least it's not

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communism and guess what that's exactly the reasoning the CIA used as propaganda

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to justify reinstalling the Shah who would go out to be go on to be the

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dictator of Iran for quite a while afterwards yeah yeah the people that he

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has as spiritual mentors and what guides his whole sort of philosophy and

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worldview is exactly the same thing that the CIA used to justify their actions

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yeah that's ironic it is a little bit it's a little ironic we move along here

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sorry that was a lot up top but all right you know it's just how the clip

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you got you got it you got through it so it was all got through this next clip

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Alex discusses the actual shooting and where he stands on December 17th show

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this could be a staged event what we do know is staged is the crocodile tears

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ridiculous behavior of Obama milking this a for every disgusting ounce he can

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get so Obama's given his speech where he cries and Alex is dead certain that he

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was fake crying which is also deeply ironic yeah man and the fact that he's

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saying that there that it's like he's milking this for everything it's worth

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and it's like dude what are you doing yeah yeah you are milking this for

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everything it's worse yeah right-wing propaganda machine is milking this man

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it gets worse as we go along Barack Obama is just like hey can we not have

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kids die all the time anymore that's nice yeah and you know sort of relating

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as a human and a parent and right the idea of getting emotional is not like

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that I don't know I think I think that certainly was more authentic than the

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many times we've heard Alex fake cry yeah absolutely but I think it's

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interesting because that's the first instance of two major instances on this

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episode that I think Alex is projecting onto Obama what he would do in these

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circumstances of course so the first one here is fake cry he sees Obama crying on

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television he he's like that he's like every time I cry it's fake so it must be

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fake with this guy yeah any any outpouring or expression of emotion that

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shows non masculinity analysis definition I guess must be performative

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yeah and so he's like Obama you're fake crying I know cuz I do it all the time

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exactly that's how I hear that listen up it takes one to know one asshole yeah

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but I think he wouldn't do you know you wouldn't be saying that if he wasn't

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just so suspicious about this shooting so suspicious but you know what he's not

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the only one who's suspicious at least not in still occupied Texas at this

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point all I'm doing is saying their war drums are going full blast get ready

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everyone I've talked to now says their Spidey sense is off the chart not only

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over these 20 dead kids I told my wife that night and that morning that I felt

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physically ill and she said what's going on I said they're coming they're coming

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for everything I've talked to everybody around the office they've had the same

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feelings I know you're having it that's your gut instinct God gave you but

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intellectually you can see what they're doing politically I mean that folks

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that we're entering the prime zone as I said a month ago of mass shootings

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federal buildings being blown up they're gonna blame it on the preppers and the

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Patriots stay with us so you know if the right-wing terrorists weren't right

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wearing tearing all the time and it's all just fake why is it that so much

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more has happened when there's a Republican president in office it would

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be encourages it yeah and it would stand a reason that more of it would be

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happening during Obama's presidency if it was false flags whereas if it were

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real right-wing terrorists is that arguments that's an impossible ouroboros

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argument because Alex would just say no because the globalists are now panicked

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because of how powerful and popular Trump is that they're going into

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overdrive but that's insane of course it is it's all insane no I know it's no

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matter what no matter what happens the argument fits and that's why it's a bad

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argument right but it's an even worse argument because it's a bad idea yep

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like why don't disagree with that why is it that all of his conspiracy theories

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about these globalists are them coming up with utterly silly and stupid plans

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that he thinks he's going to take down mainly because they're so stupid it

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wouldn't be hard to take down those plans no which plans the if you're gonna

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if you're gonna come up with this whole like oh the globalists are panicking

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more now so they're doing more right-wing terror attacks that's going

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to backfire miserably it's only going to inspire more right-wing terror or

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desensitize people to the effects of right-wing terror so that doesn't make

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any fucking sense well cuz it doesn't seem like in the instances that these

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things have happened in the past anything against the right-wing has

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actually been done exactly so yeah it does seem like it would be a even when

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they that would be the globalists fishing in a dry well yeah even when the

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globalists put out this massive document terror calling all of us terrorists or

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patriots they just got rid of it in like two seconds because you guys bitch the

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whole time yeah it shows a little bit of a yeah it kind of is a counter example

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I'm mad at the globalists for being bad at their jobs that's what I'm really mad

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at these hypothetical imaginary people are bad at their imaginary job exactly

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yeah frustrating so Alex thinks that like he's being blamed for this because

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he always does he always feels personally blamed for things because he

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doesn't understand what's going on in the world and stuff like that he doesn't

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he only reads headlines who doesn't understand what people are actually

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saying and this next clip is a great example of that I've got Daily Mail

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Foreign Affairs Washington Post you've seen it CNN CBS all saying preppers did

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this here's one of the headlines right here new town in the doomsday preppers

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foreign affairs a division of the Washington Post foreign policy.com I

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mean this is absolutely incredible that all of this is going on it is incredible

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it is very incredible especially because Alex is referring to an article in

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foreign policy not foreign affairs but it seems like he the way he's talking

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about he doesn't realize those are two different public no it doesn't sound

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like which does not inspire confidence no that's not a good sign beyond that

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he clearly didn't read this article he just read the headline the body of the

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text discusses how a lot of preppers are acting out of rational concerns about

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being ready for a disaster and the people who mock them often change their

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tune real fast when a hurricane comes right or something like that the article

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is about early indications that Adam Lanza's mom was a bit of a survivalist

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prepper but if Alex had read the article it says toward the end quote the

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extremity of Adam Lanza's crime has created a desperate desire for

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explanations and dismissing them as a crazy survivalist or the son of a crazy

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survivalist will likely prove irresistible for many people trying to

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make sense of a senseless act but the ultimate truth of his motive is not

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likely to be so simplistic additional information will emerge over the coming

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days but we may never know really why Lanza killed his mother and so many

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innocent teachers and children understanding the context of his actions

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may provide useful insights that could prevent future incidents but gross

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oversimplifications will only stand in the way the article is literally a voice

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of caution warning people that labeling Lanza as a prepper and using that to

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explain his act is somehow or it is something that will stand in the way of

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future understanding of the tragedy that's literally the opposite of Alex's

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yeah but I don't think Alex could ever actually like disregarding the fact that

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Alex can't read even if he could read those sentences are would like just

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short-circuit his brain like he would white out and it would just be on the

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floor and he'd be like I'm gonna pretend those didn't exist compared to what he

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pretends to read or what he claims to read those are simple fucking set

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exactly but what they mean is so hurtful to him it's not it's supportive of his

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worldview exactly he's defending this article yeah but he can't be them he

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can't be can't allow them to be supporting his articles or his his ideas

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he needs to be the victim I got bad news he fucking needs to because he's

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reporting on this stuff in the wake of a giant mass shooting of at an elementary

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school he can't play fast and loose with this stuff these really he is a why is

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he gonna get sued well a couple years later it's that it's that you know the

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oversimplifications only stand in the way Alex is embodying the last sentence

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of this article right exactly that's on the other side that's what I'm saying

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even if it doesn't even matter what they say when you hear the words when Alex

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reads the words oversimplification he's like no that's what I do stop it don't

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don't tell me not to oversimplify that's the only thing I know how to do mm-hmm

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stop it which might be why I mean it's but it's probably best if he just reads

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headlines then cuz then he can sort of feign ignorance or something like that

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right that's true if he just came out with it and said I don't care much for

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articles I like to just read headlines I'm he could pull off like his I'm a

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Gerald Cilenti style trends forecaster all you need is the headlines to get the

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trend right all I'm doing is expressing the vibe I'm getting yeah or whatever

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but then he wouldn't be able to pretend he's really smart and research exactly

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so it's kind of can't really have both I mean he has read over a hundred books on

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World War two I guess that's oh that's fine read the title yeah of 200 books

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yeah so at this point we are still seeing him sort of wanting to say it's

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fake relating the event to other things that he thinks are fake and that sort of

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thing and his next clip there's another implication that he thinks this is fake

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you see the government has lost the trust of the people and they know that

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so they're basically saying anyone that doesn't trust us and doesn't want to be

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robbed by the government is a terrorist and I'm telling you they're getting

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ready to stage more mass shootings and events stay with us okay so it's alright

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clear from the language there when he says they're getting ready to plan and

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stage more fake shootings and stuff like that it's not really clear if he's saying

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that is like Sandy Hook was one and there will be more or if it's the other

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ones that he talks about so I'm presenting that as a little bit of like

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this is shrubbery around the the house that's being built of our investigation

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okay it's just more it's more evidence that he just thinks everything's fake

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yeah frankly yeah I don't I don't like the I mean it stands to reason if you

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are saying immediately following a mass shooting they are planning to stage more

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mass shootings it follows that you think that mass shooting was staged and it's

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inescapable that people listening to it would take that yeah and it wouldn't be

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crazy of them to take that understanding the only thing that makes sense and if

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it's not you're doing a bad job talking so stop it mm-hmm so that's just sort of

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to give you a little bit of the flavor of things here and now it gets back to

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talking about gun grabbing and these gun grabbers that are going around they want

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to grab your guns but he also that's not the best way to do it either like I

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wouldn't this is another problem with the globalist plans don't grab guns ask

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people politely to give them to you hmm it's way better people with guns don't

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respond well to polite requests don't respond well the grabs nope don't

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respond well to anything oh it turns out so let's just move on to this next clip

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okay where he talks about how the systems at war with him and then he says

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something else that in the same way as that clip a couple ones back it's sort

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of unclear if he's referring to Sandy Hook when he says something about

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shootings being fake but in exactly the same way you brought up it's only

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reasonable to assume that the one that is most recent and he has been talking

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about is what he's referring to right it's very complicated the system is

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panicking it's run by foreign banks that have looted Europe and are now looting

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us engaged in all sorts of crime in front of us arming to the teeth against

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us with armored vehicles and tanks being cash in every town and city martial law

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being incrementally turned on TSA on the streets all of this being done in the

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name of al-qaeda then they flip the script and say no no it's for preppers

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it's for conservatives now the rollout starts and they create the simulation

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20 dead kids from some person under psychiatric care undoubtedly on drugs

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video game head so the simulation yeah that's tough because I actually

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introduced that poorly I forgot that he literally said the 20 dead kids yeah

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yeah that one said that one says this is fake yeah it says this is fake yeah but

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it but the way he's saying a simulation it's it's too vague to really nail in

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like what version like what does he mean by that right does he mean that they

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created that simulation before because if they created that simulation before

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then it would only make sense for them to then have followed through with it

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it's hard to say at this point or it is a simulation by them pretending that it

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happened currently right or they're simulating the fallout from what no

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there's no way that means that means he says it's staged well I can see one

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version of it that isn't that what that is that the shooting itself happened

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whether or not the government staged it or not whatever it happened yeah and

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then the simulation that he's referring to is the way it's being framed by the

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media or something like that yeah I could see that being a position he could

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defend it's thin no it's thin no then no chance I look I have to extend all

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possibilities that is one version of it I could see it's on how much nuance is

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involved in that a lot you then it didn't exist it's probably not real it's

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not real it doesn't if there's nuance involved Alex doesn't understand it

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aggressive doubt benefited that is too much that is too much it might be but

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I'm not gonna give him any of that shit he just said that Sandy Hook was staged

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but short any other like the sort of corroborating pieces I'm not willing to

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accept that as like a full-throated everything was fake writing like that I'm

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gonna go with an indication of where his head is yeah and how he's speaking well

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one of the things that I feel like needs to be pointed out is he is absolutely

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certain it's real and I will tell you my my reasoning for that is he is coming up

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with more and more supervillains in this story and different angles of attack for

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them to be making towards gun people sure so he's coming up with all right

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now it's these foreign bankers all right now it's the the government itself who's

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trying to come take your guns all right now it's Obama's rogue it leftist

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elements of the government trying to take your guns every he's trying to get

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everybody everybody involved in this or to try and on shoes see which one fits

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yeah I figure out which which is the you think you could walk around right he's

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throwing shit at the wall to find out who people are gonna react with the most

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mm-hmm yeah that's that's a very likely possibility so earlier he was saying

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that Obama was fake crying which I think is a huge projection on his part and

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here is the second clip where I think he's projecting a little bit again the

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system needs to be relevant it needs to be able to grandstand and make you watch

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it the mainstream media needs this cuz no one watches them unless there's a big

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mass shooting and then Obama whose normal White House videos get about

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10,000 views if you go to White House official channel on YouTube it's about

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10,000 years shit his videos oh he gets to have four or five million now on his

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videos when this happens see fucking Wow Alex seems to be implying that Obama

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either staged this shooting or is behaving in response to the shooting the

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way he is to get more traffic to his YouTube yeah I think that I think what

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he's trying to say is that Obama staged the shooting for ad so scholars reviews

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reviews for ad revenue and that is exactly what Alex is wishing he could do

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right now hundred percent if Alex could get away with staging something like

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that like some giant publicity event like I I don't know it's like starting

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some sort of fight with some famous podcaster oh if you could stage any

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number of different events that are not true and are not based on anything real

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in order to get views then of course the president would kill kids yeah he's

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something he's so nuts that like the only way he can really understand other

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people's actions and reactions to things is how he would react right and the way

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he would react to this if he had to give a speech in Newtown is to fake cry

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because he needs to you know bring the emotions or whatever cuz yeah on a

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cognitive level he knows that that's the response people have I need to be I need

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to mirror humans right yeah he's like an alien and so he accuses Obama of fake

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crying and he knows that he would use something like this in order to get more

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publicity and traffic of course so he accuses Obama of his videos being

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manipulative or or whatever if that and that's the most generous version yeah

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yeah Obama killed kids for views right yeah that is another interpretation of

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that clip which is just fucked up Wow yeah says brain works so that's how his

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brain works but his gut is a slightly different matter and in this next clip

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he says what his gut feels we knew this was coming and you know my gut tells me

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because of what we know about other shooters and that being swept under the

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rug and report of a guy in a mask and then reports of other shooters and then

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who this guy's dad was high-level GE exec we're getting some Intel right now

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it looks bad they probably had some globalist grease

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mommy get him wound up drugged out get him in there shoot him this has been

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done before then have your real group that did it exit but even if that's not

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the case it's cultural mind control the television the shooter video games

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designed by the Pentagon to make you kill instinctively and uncaring Lee in a

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program trained fashion this is so weak man this is this is absolutely weak

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because he's suggesting exactly what he wants to report as his angle which is

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that right they greased mom and then drugged up the kid yeah we got him we

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got another angle of attack for these different villain globalists but he's

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not ready to do that for whatever reason and so he's couching that with like even

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if that's not the case it's all social brainwashing yeah cool I don't say

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anything you don't have to do any of this he could defend guns without this

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this stuff is completely superfluous that's that is a good point

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it's wild good point he's just getting himself in trouble assembling well

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because he needs more clicks right the same thing he's accusing Obama of is

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what is going to I'm more convinced than ever what is going to lead him to make

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the unforced errors yeah that he makes as we go through this yeah it's just so

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stupid oh man here's what he could have said this is a tragedy mm-hmm that's it

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well and even if you could just stop well you could also say this is a

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tragedy but we have you know we have to keep moving forward as a country I

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firmly believe the Second Amendment is one of the most important things we

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cannot allow our emotions to override our political principles and while we

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honor and mourn the loss of life and extend condolences to the families we

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also will not bend on our convictions or whatever there is a way damn can you

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imagine him saying that no fuck no no I know but I mean like just no I mean just

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like reading those words no you know like saying like cuz of course he

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couldn't come up yeah you just freestyled a very kind thing still awful

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yeah no it's miserable but can you imagine him like just reading those

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words hearing his voice say those words maybe I can't imagine like even if he

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was doing votes so voiceover for a Jim Jarmusch movie you'd still be like I

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you're a rah rah rah rah rah rah rah rah rah I'm just saying I'm just saying that I think that there's a way that he

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could achieve all of the political goals he thinks he's achieving or trying to

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achieve yeah without doing any of the stuff that's bad no this is all bad yeah

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so in that last clip he said that his gut was telling him all these things

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about how the globalists took him in there and did all the blah blah blue and

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they you know hey that's just his gut right unfortunately my guts telling me

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he's shooting himself in the dick that's just me well he does explain in this

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next clip that whenever he trusts his feelings he's always right mmm my whole

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life I haven't gone off my feelings and every time I don't follow my feelings

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it's bad every time I follow my feelings it's right and man I've told you used to

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I was getting chills like maybe twice a year when I saw something happening then

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I sort of getting chills every week that every day now it's just one big chill

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and something bad is about to happen correction something bad did happen yeah

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yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and also I would say everything that we're seeing

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yeah in this snapshot so far of this end of 2012 period is a condemnation of his

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gut it is like we know oh yeah we know that this isn't a prime example of him

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his gut leading him down a horrible road so no you should not listen to your gut

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Alex your gut is unhealthy that is that is so wow the idea that he would say my

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gut tells me something bad is about to happen it's wild yeah after that phrase

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a massive school shooting yeah yeah but he's like man that's fucked up well he's

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trying to minimize it to a lot in the in the sense of like everyone's demonizing

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mass shootings and stuff like that but more people are killed by deer every

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year and stuff like that and it's like hey sure I mean if you want to go based

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on numbers fine but if you want to extend that metaphor even further what

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you should then be like the analog is putting up signs in places where there's

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lots of deer that's a that's sort of a government action that tries to limit

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the damage of deer on highways and well Chicago has one of the strictest deer

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control laws in the country but we get all of our deer just coming in from

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Indiana right like it's brutal right you know what I'm saying like they're

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federal deer control laws there aren't like he would be the one if if he was

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like super passionate about like if the Second Amendment was about deer like he

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would be the one saying like deer are free to roam you can't put up a sign

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here yeah that's demonizing the deer yeah that's the equivalent of what he's

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doing about guns so yes people do hit a lot of damage demonizing the deer don't

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demonize deer you know what I'm saying yeah I do know what you're saying so I

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don't know in his conception whatever he thinks is coming is worse than the

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shooting yeah in as much as he thinks that they're going to take the guns and

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then there's gonna be a civil war yeah so do you know it's way worse than a lot

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of children being murdered and nothing being done about it and so more and more

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children are murdered the idea that he wouldn't be allowed to have assault

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rifles but it that's the worst thing it's less that I promise you it's less

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that although that is a big piece of it then he foresees a civil war coming

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because of the gun grabbers right so if you look at if you think about the loss

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of life that would come from an all-out civil war you could say that that might

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be worse than a school shooting I don't think it would be a civil war more it

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like it would be like the entire country going like holy shit guys you are

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fucking crazy and then the 1% of the country that owns all of our guns would

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be like I guess we're going out in a blaze of glory that's there they're all

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living the remember the alibi they would kill so many innocent I know I'm not

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saying I'm just saying it's not a civil war it would be a massacre I'm saying

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the scale of that is what he's saying is worse than a school shooting right not

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just the abstract idea of him losing a gun right I know it's an unnecessary

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defense but I just don't want to be sitting here being like all he cares

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about is keeping his gun he is still I mean it's ludicrous for him to even like

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suggest that it's a likely outcome of things but at least what he's talking

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about isn't just that you know it isn't just his guys I guess I'll give you that

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one I think you have to because it is different I I get it I just don't buy

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his whole civil war bullshit no of course not it's absurd yeah but it's

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where his head is all right you gotta meet him halfway all right so all this

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is going on getting harder and harder to meet him halfway it's true so he's

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terrified there's a lot of bad stuff going on it's all a mess and you might

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be asking yourself is it time to pray do you think it's time to pray no it hasn't

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been time to pray since early 2017 let's see if it's time to pray I just commit

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myself in the hands of God that's all I can say and and and and I want to say

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this I keep meaning to say a prayer on air but I don't feel worthy to say a

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prayer on air I feel humble I think God would be kind of pissed about it he said

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he didn't like that shit I just love my children so much and I love my children

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so much in their innocence I love other people's children Obama's I know what

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everybody's thinking and saying who's got children that's what the global is

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use the murdered of children to control us and it makes me so mad at the

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Democrats who are just murdering children everywhere I hate with once an

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abandoned so I hate him so much when he goes on to talk about how like they're

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you know kids are killed in foreign countries as a byproduct of our foreign

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policy and yeah fair point yeah doesn't doesn't help here all that much no but

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when he says the like they they're using the deaths of these children in order to

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push you know that stuff it does imply there's a fakeness but it also still

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could be just in the use of the story in the media afterwards God this is just

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edging a little bit just edging and this isn't gonna help because it has to do

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with prophetic dreams of course and one of our reporters I didn't ask permission

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and I don't know if he wants me to tell the story but I'll I won't I won't tell

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it was he wants to tell it he said you know I talked to my wife she had a

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horrible nightmare that night of men repelling down into a school he just

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proceeds to tell the story he says that he's not going to tell yeah that's wild

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yeah that's so rude nah and shooting little kids and his wife's a teacher and

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it was one of those dreams that upset her so bad she called her friends about

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it see I've had dreams that actually come true before that I've told people

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about and then they come through six months later and as I walked around the

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corner and this guy tried to mug me I had a sick feeling walking around the

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corner going I've been here before and it was the dream and the guy and the

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shirt and everything but but again I'm not getting off into

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mumbo-jumbo here the point is is that I told everybody I'm physically sick that

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whole week I said it's something bad and it's not just the murder of these three

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little precious children it's that they're launching this is the bugles

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sounding the charge is on they're coming they're coming so somebody knows that a

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prophetic dream about this and then he relates it to a time that he had a

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literal prophetic dream which does seem to imply that this person who's like

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infowars employees spouse did have a prophetic dream which does it tend to

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imply that what happened evidenced by this prophetic dream is people

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repelling into the school and shooting kids it is amazing I have not seen too

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many media organizations who have hired so many mediums yeah and psychics and

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there's a lot of real gifted people yeah yeah organization yeah it's a it's like

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the infowars men the infowars x-men like that's what he's he's established

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Alex's school for gifted children assholes yeah perhaps yeah it was weird

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you'd think that if the guy running the place was a psychic statistically

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actually yeah you would hire more psychics than otherwise probably hire

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all psych yeah yeah explains it maybe the problem is he's not hiring enough

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psychic I could be yeah that could be maybe because he's a psychic that goes

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on his gut yeah his gut isn't psychic his gut is definitely not psychic

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neither's his brain ah that clip was really weird I found that to have no

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place in a show in the week after safety hook no relying on sort of you know

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paranoid paranormal type ideas and then be like I'm not into mumbo-jumbo like you

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are you are literally doing that right you just said you were a psychic yeah

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yeah so Alex is psychic he's got a team of psychics working for him yeah they

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still can't predict shit but in this next clip Alex talks about how

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frustrated he is at how how awake he is about the globalists and all of that he's

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so it's so frustrating to be so right all the time being this awake is

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exhausting I mean I'll just tell you right now because and it's frustrating

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to know how wicked these Democratic Party operatives are how bad they are

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how evil they are how duplicitous how murderous and you know I try to hold

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back my gut tells me the White House people controlling the government's were

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involved in this that that's what my gut tells me okay all right all right all

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right all right well there it is we've turned the corner

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yep there it is that's pretty overt but again it's still this super aren't like

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unsatisfying thing where he's saying it's still like this is what my gut

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tells me it is sure I get that no I know if you if you include the premise my gut

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is never wrong yes that is what he's saying but it's taken as red I think it

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is yeah giving way too much better than the doubt on this well because I'm

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trying to look at this from like a structural perspective I'm trying to

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look at this like as if I were an entirely unbiased observer who's like

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all of his bullshit talk about his gut you just throw that out the window I I

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still I still think he's couching his language and maybe that's the more

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important piece he's couching his language and not saying guys this was

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fake the White House was involved right something like that right he's still

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relying on that secondary premise in order to fill in the gaps in his

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listeners mind again as opposed to overtly making the statement right right

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right and the overtness is the point I'm far more interested in or at least I

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think that's you know where the the conversation changes although that is

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fucking over yeah that is really that is pretty crazily over I think I think

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you're over correcting for your unbiased a listener because even an unbiased

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listener were they to listen to like this in succession like all of these

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clips in a row they'd be like yeah yeah that's happening if it was one of those

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if it was any one of the clips that you have put together and an unbiased

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observer would be like that's not 100% proof but when you got six in a row yeah

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they're like yeah come on man I am over correcting if only because I want to

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it's it's tough when you cover a conspiracy theorist and someone like

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Alex it is it is the sort of thing where you almost find yourself making leaps of

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logic that aren't appropriate by virtue of him doing it all the time right and

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so I try to keep as mindful a presence of that in my head when I'm looking at

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this stuff that I have to adhere to a pretty strict this means this this means

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this yeah kind of lest I give in to the temptation to play the games he does

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right even if it's I see what you're saying because there is a subconscious

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desire to play the fun all the new games that he does yeah he's clearly having a

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lot of fun yeah which is really discussed I don't get to say that I'm a

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psychic no you don't that's fun no I know it is superpowers kids I'm sorry

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what would your superpower be uh being a fucking Cardinal that's what it would be

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the ability to transform into any bird I want bad superpower so earlier you were

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asking sort of the idea was like is he implying that the government and all of

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them knew in advance and in that last clip I think he is heavily implying yeah

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yeah but now he actually instead of just saying my gut tells me this in this next

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clip from December 17th he says something that if he believes and he's

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reporting this as a thing that he's like it's actual a story a news story if he

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believes this to be true there is no way that he cannot think that it was planned

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ahead of time did you know five nights in a row in the build-up well the first

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four nights Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday and then of course Friday the

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four nights leading up to the shooting last Friday yes those are the days I

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went I heard about this from listeners I went looked it up it was true CNN and

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MSNBC both for the four nights leading up we're doing gun control we've got to

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ban the semi-autos I mean how much more obvious does this get okay come on so

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come on he's he's saying that come on CNN and MSNBC in preparation for the

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shooting yeah had been running a pre like preparatory stories they were

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priming people to hate guns so whenever a mass shooting happened that they knew

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was going to happen or at least their handlers or whatever their propaganda

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story sure yeah so that that come on that's no that one is tough to get

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around I'm not sure I can make I don't think I can no that's the first instance

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I think of like okay you're now committing to this road you're you're

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bringing in stuff that listeners have told you about and you're pretending

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that you've confirmed yeah and they are their narratives they only serve to

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provide some sort of a structural integrity to your idea that it was fake

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yeah that is intent and action encapsulated there and even ended it

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with saying how much more obvious could this be true which is which is like if

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you're saying it's so obvious then you're saying that it happened the way

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you're saying and it obviously did it obviously did yeah and so I think that

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this is probably the point at which we can make a reasonable and fair statement

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that he believes it's fake yes yes in in some manner or not or another and it

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seems pretty clear that at this point it is that Ethan Hunt came in from the

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ceiling and shot the kids yes or whatever secret agent within the

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globalist structure went in there and set up Adam Lanza right it seems like

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that is where his head is he said that the white is gut tells him to the White

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House or the people in charge and running things in the White House were

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involved I'm almost certain that this is the departure point absolutely for that

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he's saying that the government hired the a-team and it will only get worse

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from there yeah I think because we know that he never sees the light until now

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until much much later in terms of saying until there's a lawsuit right yeah so I

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don't I don't know I think it's gonna I think it's just gonna spiral out of

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control but he's afraid that they're gonna take the guns right and one of the

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things that he's he's already made the argument and he said a couple times that

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they're ramping up martial law stuff because of the Sandy Hook shooting I he

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doesn't use a lot of specifics right I um I just can't get this thought out of

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my head real quick we're at a week after Sandy Hook right

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last four days after something like that four days after three days three days

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three days after and it took zero time for him to then say that it's all the

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left's fault oh yeah he is saying Democrats instead of globalists all

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very interchangeable at this point yeah exactly does scream a bunch about how

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the Republicans are just there to help you the Patriots right bend over for the

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Democrats who are the ones who are really running the ball down the field

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right for the globalist right so let's just put this juxtaposition together

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alright and maybe this is why we lose Dan we have heard eight million clips in

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a row basically saying I think it was fake but with little different languages

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and and you're like we're gonna give you the benefit of the doubt we're gonna

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give you the benefit of the doubt I'm gonna try and give you the benefit of

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the doubt and it took three days after one of the worst mass shooting in

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America at the time for him to say that it's all Democrats fault I'm just saying

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Jordan this is why we lose I feel you on that they don't give a fuck I feel you

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on that but I would also stipulate that I wouldn't respond this way if we were

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listening to this in 2012 I am responding the way I am in part because

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we're listening to this years later and that's not to say there isn't any stakes

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involved in us covering this but it's certainly not the same as if it was

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happening in real time in front of us right if I was listening to these

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episodes and we were doing this podcast in 2012 I would probably have responded

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to the day of him saying it was fake like with alarms going off you're like

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yeah yeah Alex is suggesting this is fake guys right you know it would have

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been much more a big deal and I and I think one of the reasons I'm giving so

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many benefits of the doubt is because I know it's going to get really bad and

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it'll be so much worse for him if we're fair yeah that's true because I don't I

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don't I'm just saying that's that's something that I cannot get out of my

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head that just like this is a lesson to learn this is a lesson to learn somewhat

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I think I think I think the applying that lesson is on a case-by-case basis

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and you got to be careful with it but there is that there is a overarching

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lesson to learn and the others a lot of times the other side doesn't care as

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much as you care and that can be a hindrance but I don't know I don't I

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don't know how to I don't know how to apply that across the board effectively

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yeah because all it does if it if you do that across the board then you paint

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with a broad brush of all of your perceived enemies and you give yourself

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carte blanche to never listen to anybody who might be not a horrible person I

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don't think it's so much that's I don't think that's what that's not what I'm

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trying to express there no I understand well I understand fully I'm just saying

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yeah I'm saying that the lesson is good and the lesson is often very applicable

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but if you universalize it it's bad that's all I'm saying yeah I get what

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you say okay so let's let's let's let's jump back okay here because I got some

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fun stuff here okay so on this show Alex has not done a lot of news necessarily

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it's complained about Sandy Hook a bit and speculated that it's fake but I

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don't call that news necessarily no he had that one headline about the prepper

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thing which is bogus as hell right as we've discussed and now he gets into how

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he thinks that in response to Sandy Hook they're bringing in martial law he

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brings up a headline and it's real whack paragold Arkansas mayor Mike Gaskell and

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the party Todd Stovall announced a December 14th town hall meeting the

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beginning of the 2013 streets of their city were going to be patrol by police

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officers wearing SWAT gear and ar-15 if you're out walking we're going to stop

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you ask you why you're out walking and check your ID well that's called martial

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law right there but the borders wide open and the police are ordered to let

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illegal aliens drunk drive and do whatever they want cops admit it because

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it's all a joke it's about making sure you know you're a slave we've got the

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newscast link to it's like the news is like it's great they're keeping us safe

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and so we already I mean we got that nice juxtaposition between you the

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slave and illegal immigrants and yeah so at least that's I mean that's pretty

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consistent there should have been there should have been a bell that went off

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where he was like the mayor of parasol Arkansas and her bell goes off and

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you're like don't care nobody cares nobody cares there are gold nobody

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fucking cares about what the mayor of paragold what about the good people

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paragold don't care we have a lot of listeners in pair we're big insulting our

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parable people I'm not insulting them I'm just saying as far as news gonna

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want them to live in martial law as far as news goes if you bring up paragold

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Arkansas I shut down I don't care I can understand that but conversely I turn on

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yeah that is a specific I can check I can find that news right it's obviously

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easy to track down of course so Alex has an interesting take on this situation

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out of paragold Arkansas he sees a story about police dressed up in SWAT gear

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patrolling the streets and he instantly reports on it as somehow being related

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to the aftermath of sandy hook when it in reality has nothing to do with that

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Oh reporting in the Arkansas Times reveals that Todd Stovall the paragold

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police chief announced his plans for police and SWAT gear patrolling citizens

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and high crime areas in a town hall meeting on December 13th the day before

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sandy hook happened in that clip we just listened to Alex misreports the date of

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the meeting as being December 14th because the way he wants to tell the

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story is that this happened as a result of the shooting and as an example of the

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globalists using the shooting to bring in martial law but that story doesn't

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fly if the meeting happened the day before yeah anybody else that might be

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excused as a slip of the tongue or getting a detail wrong in some sort of

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benign way but in this circumstance with this dude that seems very likely to me

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to be a straight-up lie yeah in order to serve the narrative especially because

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it would probably better serve as narrative if he did say that it was the

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day before because then that's the globalist soft launching their martial

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law yeah and they're then going to because they're picking paragold

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Arkansas you know where the globalists want to try out all their new plans

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right as they say as paragold goes so goes the country it's it's a really

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interesting line because yes if you could say that they were pushed this the

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day before Sandy Hook in the same way he's saying that CNN reported these

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anti-gun stories exactly but that doesn't work if the premise is that this

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police chief's actions are motivated by sandy hook he can't have both of those

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things right so that's true it has to be after because the justification has to

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be sandy hook to rationalize martial law right so that's why he has to lie about

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the day okay new theory all right the police chief does this town hall and

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does not get a positive reaction oh he doesn't he doesn't know he doesn't know

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he doesn't not everybody into the clips as the media is all like oh it's great

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they were not he everybody hates it right real bad but he really wants to do

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this what does he do goes all the way up sandy hook that's what he does and then

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he comes back and he's like see my plan is a great plan it's time to take over

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paragold but even after sandy hook no one thought it was a good plan so Alex

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is also lying about the media and everyone else saying that they were

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excited about this idea there was quite a bit of backlash to Stovall's plans and

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it's clearly you know it's an unnecessary move and it would almost

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certainly be used in a pretty racist way that's no the police their definition of

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high stop-and-frisk type behaviors in Arkansas can you imagine traditionally

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that's you know it's not been not done well not not a not the progressive

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bastion of paragold huh no but there's one piece of this whole thing that Alex

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isn't talking about and it's not a coincidence that he's not talking about

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it you know who was leading the charge against Stovall's plan of what Alex

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calls martial law I don't it was Rita Sklar the executive director of ACLU

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Arkansas who said that Stovall had quote zero understanding of constitutional

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rights period hmm so the ACLU Alex's sworn enemy and somebody who he thinks

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is an arm of the globalist was the one organization on the ground that was

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organizing and acting against this guy's plan to foment martial law in paragold

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right so I can see why the Sklar brothers don't take her with them on

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tour but I don't know seems pretty great at what she there's a good sense of

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humor in that article yeah that I mean just saying he has no understanding of

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constitutional rights period there's a little bit of that in there but then her

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response to one of his comments was just a you could just type out ha all right

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yeah get her on tour guys come on Sklar oh you're just twins fuck off you could

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use a sister yeah so that story Alex is totally wrong about and now in service

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of building up his other narrative that he talked a bit more about on the last

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episode which was the idea that he's on Prozac he had these pros at heads yeah

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and stuff like that and that's what causes this he brings up another

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headline and it's always a problem when he brings up headlines Prozac faces ban

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over suicide fear boom Daily Mail boom gotta love when he says boom is there

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anything that's going to be dunked on more than any sentence he says and ends

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with boom boom anytime he's like see knock it down that one's in my column it

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is the most dunkable is the John Madden of yeah of propaganda so it's clear that

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Alex didn't read this article either and he only knows the headline because he's

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if he presented the contents of the article it would go a long way to

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undermining undermining the essential narrative that he's trying to present

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before I get into the article it's important to remember that he's

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presenting the idea that the globalists are trying to get everyone on Prozac

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because it'll make a certain percentage of the population kill themselves or

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kill others and the globalists can that use those killings as an excuse to carry

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out their nefarious plans he's not just a concerned citizen who thinks a certain

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medication is dangerous he believes that evil globalists are giving it to you and

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the public to fuck them up now in this article you immediately find some red

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flags this Daily Mail article the first is this passage quote teenagers could be

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barred from being prescribed Prozac and other antidepressants amid fears that

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they may increase the risk of suicide using antidepressants increased suicide

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related behavior in children and adolescents said the London based

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European medicine Medicines Agency the agency did not find any evidence of

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deaths caused by the drugs so clearly the first problem is even the

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organization that's lobbying to get Prozac banned admits that they have zero

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actual cases where Prozac caused someone's death that's a problem for

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Alex's argument but I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard for him to wiggle out of it

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by saying they reclassified deaths yeah sure sure sure sure the bigger problem

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and the one he can't wiggle out of is that this band was being promoted and

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pushed by the European Medicines Agency why is that a problem because the EMA

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was specifically created in 1995 the European Union god damn it exclusively to

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exist as a body within the EU their website is EMA Europa EU and while they

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used to be based in London they've since had to relocate to Amsterdam after

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brexit because their EU body this is entirely anathema to Alex's narrative

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he's literally saying that the globalists want to give you Prozac to

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kill you and at the same time the medical arm of the EU the world's

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largest globalist entity is actively campaigning to ban Prozac in the world

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of him of this man who's just swims and contradictions this one is still pretty

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impressive everything he's saying is upside down world it's well it's

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bananas it's not it's an indication that he doesn't know any of these things

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right you can just take it seems like you would you could just say European

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Medicines Agency and kind of guess right mm-hmm like even if it's based in London

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this is also pre brexit yeah well pre brexit when Britain is still in the EU

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yeah but it's literally called the European Medicines Agency yep like it's

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probably part of the EU yep but that's that to me is evidence that he he

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either didn't read the article or doesn't give a fuck no he doesn't give a

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fuck it well I could also see him not reading the article because the headline

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is the sort of thing that leads him to say boom right so why read the article

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if the headline it already delivered it's the perceived slam dunk yeah that's

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true it's the equivalent of the slam dunk where you hit the back of the rim

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and the ball bounces back like all the way to half-court but you think that you

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dunked and so you like flex when you get down to the ground and like Wizards era

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Jordan in the all-star game you're really clowning on somebody that you

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didn't dunk on you know that sort of thing oh that's kind of the feeling that

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I have here but it'd be like if it'd be like if Steph Curry took one of those

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threes where he shoots it and it looks so pretty and he turns around before

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even real cocky before even before it even goes in he doesn't even need to

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watch it go in and it just misses by a mile and nobody tells him everybody just

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moves on like it didn't happen I might have done that once in back when I used

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to play basketball yeah and like junior high or something like that just really

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got cocky about how good a ball felt coming off my hands completely this yeah

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that's real embarrassing got a real embarrass you should probably be the

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best shooter in the history of the sport before you start playing around with

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those moves well I was you know 13 or whatever and thought I was hot shit so

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all this is to say that like it is this weird line of like I think that you have

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a responsibility to do better like no matter what no matter what kind of place

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we're gonna land in terms of his like what version of Sandy Hook is fake as he

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espousing any of that stuff he has a moral obligation to do a better job than

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this and it's evidenced by how bad these stories that he's using all right the

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things that if you just read the story it says the opposite of what he says it

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is but he uses the headline to reinforce whatever terrible road he's going down

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this is the act of a completely irresponsible person and it's a bad

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actor it's someone who has something that they want to work towards as

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opposed to find out more about I think we can agree no matter what where we

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land on any of that stuff that this next clip is deeply immoral oh this isn't good

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and for the first time probably in the you know what this is when we're done

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with this episode it'll be four days worth of episodes after Sandy Hook that

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I've heard of Alex's this was the first time that I sort of shuddered a little

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bit thankfully it's not really about the shooting itself he's trying to make fun

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of Obama and his response to the shooting he plays some of Obama's speech

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and the way he's acting I find so deeply reprehensible that I don't know we'll

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see on the other side how you feel I bet you'll agree with me I know there's not

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a parent in America who doesn't feel the same overwhelming grief that I do his

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only grief is that majority of those who died today were children beautiful little

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kids between the ages of five and ten years old well you have a grief that the

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vaccine didn't like kill him slowly or what Oh Oh fake tear oh oh oh oh my

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gosh oh my gosh the lower mandibles they had their entire lives ahead of them

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and I couldn't start them graduations weddings kids of their own taxes to pay

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me in the foreign banks chemotherapy then he cries out the other on the

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following were also teachers and women who devoted their lives to helping our

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children they're in the victim shooting center so our hearts are broken today

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okay that's enough yeah our hearts are broken so let me now demonize the Second

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Amendment the country was founded on I mean these are total opportunists it's

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just gross it's just it's a it's an inhuman response the idea of seeing this

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person and then be like oh well you just you just said he couldn't kill him

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slowly with vaccines he's just mad that they didn't grow up to pay him taxes

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yeah this is Westboro Baptist Church heckling at a funeral kind of thing yeah

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it's it's it's bad like it's his response is very very bad fucking take an

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hour off just take an hour off and let that speech be what it is and then move

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on mm-hmm don't do that mm-hmm that's fucking disgusting yeah it's pretty bad

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he also accuses Obama of using neuro linguistic programming I just didn't I

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just didn't even include that clip because it's clear from his words he

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doesn't really understand what that is no and I don't care to get into it I

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think what he thinks is he's talking well I think Obama is using neuro

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linguistic programming or oratory I think he's implying that he has like

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he's able to put people into a trance something like that yeah he's using

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magic words well that's why he can't allow that he could never ever I don't

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know why he played that speech other than to like I suppose it's a

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preemptive a defense against empathy because if he were to have played that

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speech in its entirety even on his show there's no way that his listeners are

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going to heckle the same way some of them I'm sure would but there are there

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have to be plenty of his listeners there's no way that all of his listeners

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are psychopaths no and if they were to if you listen to that fucking speech at

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the very least you recognize humanity even if you hate everything Obama stands

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for even if you think he's the worst president in history if you just listen

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to that entire speech uninterrupted you're like I feel you yeah but that's

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yeah but that's exactly has to heckle huh he has to build up a this this

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display of truth like a real emotion at a real human response to this must be

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fake lest I be compared to it exactly or something along those lines yeah I think

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there's probably a piece of that in there so I'm gonna skip this next clip

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because it doesn't really matter and he says very similar things but he's just

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trying to make the argument that when people you know get killed with cars you

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know like blame auto manufacturers and stuff like that sometimes you do well

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when there's when they do it stuff like that yeah sure but but he's saying that

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like when people get killed with guns you blame gun organizations and stuff

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like that and one of the reasons for that is because those groups like the

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NRA they lobby against these sort of regulations that the automobile industry

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is subject to exact so the conversation isn't you should blame the manufacturer

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for making the thing that's used to hurt people it's these organizations actively

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disallow people to take care of the problems that their products create so

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anyway I don't really care whatever his next clip Alex talks about how he sees

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more false terrorism coming this is that part isn't new but he says something at

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the end of this that's real real wild it's gonna be hammered down folks they're

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gonna stage terror attacks and blame it on us they're gonna just it's gonna be

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battle they'll probably release a bio weapon who knows how bad it'll be it's

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just get pray to God is all I can say cuz let me tell you something I would

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not be up here on air I would be high tailing it to Ireland or Switzerland not

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that they're perfect but I would be you know doing the show every day from from

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a studio in Europe only because I'm a target here if I wasn't trusting in God

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right now folks I would be evacuating right now gone boom I mean this is a

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real tyranny this is an evil illegitimate government that's built

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reeducation camps and bought 1.6 billion bullets okay okay so I think you know

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why would you want to go to Europe why wait what's what they have stronger

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First Amendment protections there wait no they don't he hates they don't have a

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constitution with him with the Bill of Rights at all he hates the EU why would

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he flee to you why would he do it get a studio in Europe if he's gonna be I

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genuinely think he doesn't think Ireland is part of the EU I genuinely think he's

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like it's an island it can't be part of the EU I think he just I don't know but

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I don't even think he says that he's Irish generally it always talks about

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his Welsh heritage yeah Switzerland I guess I get that the impartiality

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historically and stuff like that and Nazis hiding stuff yeah banks lacks tax

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laws yeah I guess I don't know it that's just really weird to me but a lot of

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those pieces are things that are just super consistent over years and years

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he was saying that they're gonna release a bioweapon we fucking heard him say

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that in 2009 yeah says that all the time the reeducation camps that's just FEMA

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camp nonsense all this is just the same stuff that he's now using to fit the

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immediacy of this crisis that he has in front of him and that's and even the

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talking about the fleeing that is oh he does that all the time well not not

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necessarily all the time but it's still in service of this being an immediate

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thing right which is also a method not neuro linguistic programming necessarily

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but a way of height like sort of hacking into people's brains to make whatever

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argument you're trying to make more important more severe than it would be

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heard otherwise if you're I mean every every argument that he's making usually

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comes down to an an adrenal an appeal to adrenaline I suppose because everything

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is always we need to fight this or we need to run away from this sure like

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that kind of thing it's always fight-or-flight with that's the

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dichotomy in that clip exact I want to flee but I'm staying to fight because I

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trust God or whatever yeah so at this point have a new logical fallacy I don't

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know if it's new but appeal to adrenal I'm sure that there is a technical term

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for that but at this point Alex goes out to break like this this next clip and it

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it made me have a realization that I don't think I've ever had before and I

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really should have I should have realized this earlier get locked in we're

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coming back straight ahead in defense of the Republic I'm Alex Jones your host

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transmitting worldwide it is 229 and 36 seconds deep in the heart of former

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Texas FEMA region well New Order occupied territory the transmission

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continues from occupied zone 6 stay with us so the realization that I had is Alex

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Jones is basically a militia dork he's really yeah you know like yeah reveling

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in talking about like we're in occupied yeah FEMA region six yeah like all that

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stuff is like he is like part of it is this this sort of spy novel that he's

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cast himself in right but the other part is is he's a nerd he is a fucking nerd

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but without any of the intellectual aspects of it yeah he's just the

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annoying parts of nerds yeah he's a Civil War reenactor but on the radio

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yeah exactly that's that's a good point he would be like the town crier in a in

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a Civil War reenact yeah yeah just lied about stuff yeah it's just everything is

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fine I don't know why it stuck out so much to me but I'm like so much of his

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behavior is so dorky it is just is absurd but listening to that clip for

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some reason I was like especially with and of course you don't recognize that

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because he comes off posturing is so masculine as this jock yeah and then at

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the at the heart of it though he's just like a little geeky like man wouldn't it

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be cool if I was in a militia like he's that dude yeah I would assume any real

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militia person would probably be able to smell that yeah yeah I don't know he

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would get his ass kicked it seems like it yeah although every story he tells

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goes the other way which is exactly what a dork would do hey everybody Dan here

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just wanted to take a little break in the episode to call myself out about

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something so at this point in the episode Alex has a guest on who I've

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never heard on before and has the unfortunately very generic name Matt

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Williams he's on to talk to Alex just about how he loves guns he's a guy who

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teaches concealed carry classes and he's just you know it's just fear-mongering

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and paranoia peddling about the gun grabbers what have you very standard

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interview not really a whole ton worth going into but I believed in the lead up

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to this episode and my preparation I thought I'd figured out who Matt Williams

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was and so a lot of the conversation that Jordan and I had about the

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interview even though the interview itself quite bland and unnotable dealt

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with who I thought he was and it turns out that after we had recorded and when

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I started editing up the episode I challenged some of my own assumptions

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and wanted to make sure that I was correct about the me thinking that I

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figured out who this guy was and after giving it another look once over I I'm

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not confident that I know who this guy is so I removed all of this stuff where

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we talked about him which is why I needed to give you all this little

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bumper and mostly also because in this next clip he is Alex is going to be

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talking to Matt Williams and that is going to say something that I think is

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really great and I didn't want to cut out of the episode so I think it's an

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important piece of the you know what the episode but I had to remove the stuff

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where I just can't stand behind it got to be on the up-and-up about this so

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yeah I guess that's that's that's the situation so anyway back to the episode

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so earlier in the episode Alex talked to Jesse Ventura he had him on and I was

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very interested to hear what Jesse Ventura's take on this whole thing was

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it was fine there's that's why there's no clips of it his response to it is

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it's a tragedy Alex it's as like fine as it can be but at the same time he is on

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the side of arming teachers and stuff like that right that's not great but

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it's not really helpful to any of our investigative purposes yeah it's just

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like oh you have that dumb idea okay I was really interested to hear if he came

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down on Alex's side on this or anything but he he doesn't really just gave a

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nothing mm-hmm but he does say that you should arm the teachers and actually one

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of his perspective ideas was take people who are you know soldiers in foreign

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countries bring them back give them jobs at the school where they're secretly

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commandos like oh no have them be there at the school but they're not the

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predator this is not the predator this is Jesse Ventura no this is a plot that

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is not a good plan so that's just one of your shitty movies Jesse stop it yeah so

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that's his idea and Alex mirrors that at least in terms of like arming the

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teachers and and that sort of thing and so he tries to bring this up to Matt

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Williams at the end of this this episode and Matt accidentally completely

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destroys the argument that having teachers be armed is worth a damn but I

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mean they know right now have the sheriff train and deputize whoever wants

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to be in the school and then that's the end of it that would be logical to

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actually implement a deputy officer I went to a really bad high school so we

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actually had a substation in our high school didn't stop shootings and didn't

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stop stabbings and didn't stop drug activity so you were in what was it

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Miami or South Miami Southridge senior high it was a it was back in the 80s in

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South Florida so it had its problems all together he Howard hunt always called it

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Miami so that's why I call it my grandma called it that and she's from Texas

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Miami Miami why do you pronounce it Miami because of e Howard hunt why

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wouldn't you what Alex why is e Howard hunt a linguistic reference point for

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you weird that is weird and then second the argument that Alex is making is arm

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the teachers have an officer in the school and that Williams responses like

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yeah that makes sense we had a substation in our school and it didn't

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do shit yeah so hey guess what from the anecdotal evidence that your gun loving

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guest is bringing to the table it doesn't work right so probably abandon

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that argue Alex what I think we should do that that veered into a Silence of

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the Lambs territory that one that one didn't that didn't go well Buffalo

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Venturi yeah so that brings us to the end of the 17th and we'll jump into the

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18th and there's much less to talk about on the 18th the 18th is so much of the

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same so much just defending guns no real nothing really to speak of necessarily

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at least big picture about the like is it fake is it not it still is his

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position is still pretty similar and most of the stuff in the episode is just

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not interesting at all he has an interview with Larry Pratt who's the guy

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who runs the more extreme NRA group great and it's what you expect they're

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just like hey we love guns yeah who cares yeah it doesn't really help

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anything we've already established that firmly we love guns in the n-word don't

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worry about it and they don't like they're not talking about Sandy Hook in

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any meaningful way outside of we're afraid that people are going to use it

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to take our guns right so at that said there are a couple things that are

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important and the first thing that's important is at the beginning of this

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episode we get a special report from Mike Adams oh no not the health Ranger

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health range god damn it why does the health Ranger involved well because he

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loves guns too for a weird I don't understand why exactly but they're very

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healthy very healthy he has one with a salad every morning he is on and he's

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doing this this piece about basically the idea that hey guns don't kill people

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people kill people that sort of thing and so what he's doing is he's the video

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of it is him like looking at a gun and like trying to make it go off without

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his own fuck it's really bad it was much longer than the clip I'm going to play

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but this clip should give you a sense of where he's at and guess what it took to

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actually make it shoot it took a human being touching the trigger making a

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decision to pull the trigger in a safe direction by the way there's a backstop

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over that way are you jerking off right now and actually having a conscious

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being do that the gun didn't kill anything all by itself now I know what

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you're thinking maybe maybe handguns don't automatically kill people but

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maybe shotguns do take our Benelli m4 tactical shotgun on just about any ranch

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it's also great for home defense anywhere let's see if we can make this

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shoot by itself shoot shoot shoot the right to really take it over what a

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pathetic shotgun I know the safety zone there we go oh god I want him to hurt

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himself right now it'll kill something I want him to shoot himself in the foot so

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bad what if he did that please blow your own foot off so Mike Adams is out here

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doing a pathetic comedy piece about how guns don't kill people trying to stress

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that his gun doesn't fire by itself and that a person has to do that part on the

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one hand it's kind of an example of missing the point of what people are

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complaining about when they say that guns kill people but more importantly

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it's just wrong in 2000 the year 2000 Barbara barber accidentally shot her

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nine-year-old son Gus with a Remington model 700 I say accidentally because she

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didn't even touch the trigger the gun just went off and her son was killed she

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decided to take legal action and it turned out that she wasn't the first

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person to experience this from Remington a class-action lawsuit and a CNBC

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investigation revealed that as many as 7.5 million guns sold by Remington could

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be susceptible to a design flaw where the gun could accidentally fire without

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the trigger being pulled they alleged that at least a hundred injuries and 24

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deaths were attributable to this happening guns going off all by

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themselves without being touched the very thing that Mike Adams is mocking

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the idea of in this field piece and the Remington case isn't even close to the

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only one in 2013 I was I was sheriff's deputy Chris Carter sued a gun

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manufacturer named for Haas Taurus after his PT 140 millennium Pro pistol

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spontaneously discharged after it fell out of his holster in the suit it was

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discovered that nine different guns Taurus produced could potentially fire

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if they were quote bumped or dropped or when the safety is on and the trigger is

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pulled that's not good you know that's the type of thing where if you were a

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car manufacturer and you made a car that killed people interest they would sue

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you and then regulations would be passed oh but all these all these people who

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have definitely not received money from the NRA consistently vote against the

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idea that you're able to sue gun manufacturers crazy yeah this problem

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was estimated as potentially affecting approximately nine hundred and fifty

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six thousand guns in the u.s. alone the idea that you had the safety on you pull

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the trigger could still shoot this case was settled in 2016 with Taurus offering

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to repair or buy back affected guns but here's where the evil aspect of this

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comes in they weren't required to recall the guns and as such they didn't have to

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warn people about the danger that those almost 1 million guns posed to law

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abiding completely responsible gun owners that is fucking insane it's not

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what what yeah what and the story what the fuck and the story that brought this

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to light was a family whose son who was a responsible shooter ended up shooting

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himself because of this malfunction in a Taurus gun and they were furious about

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the idea that like no one sent out any kind of warning that you should get your

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gun checked if you have one of these guns nobody that that god that can't be

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real it's real that can't be part of the best fucking crazy it's so crazy part of

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the problem is that unlike pretty much every other product that's sold on the

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market there is no governmental body that can recall a broke-ass gun the gun

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lobby and people like Alex have made sure that any attempt in that direction

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can never go anywhere specifically the NRA had a close relationship with

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Taurus which explains why they presumably a gun safety organization

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didn't warn their members about the danger that these defective guns posed

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all this is to say that Mike Adams is a fucking idiot gun manufacturers rely on

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people like him to muddy the water and make sure that people think all

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criticisms of their actions are actually veiled attempts to take everyone's guns

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when often the criticisms are really as simple as something like your product is

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defective and caused me to kill my own child and you shouldn't be able to sell

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a product so severely defective that's not an attack on the Second Amendment at

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all this is a conversation that like you you can't have a conversation about

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reasonable gun ownership responsible gun rights until you have the same oversight

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that's applied to everything else applied to guns as evidenced by these

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at least and Alex would minimize this be like oh what 24 people were killed by

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those Remington guns that were defective yes yes 24 people were killed I

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god damn it god fucking damn it and that's only it that's bad ones that can

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be definitively traced back to this fucking crazy that is genuinely fucking

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crazy that makes that evil that's literally evil it is that is the

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definition of literally that oh my fucking god yep and they and the NRA is

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the NRA didn't even give a fuck if its members got murdered by these guns or

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their children are a specifically went out of their way because they fucking

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knew about it so if you even if you are a gun owner you think you're protected

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by the NRA's lobbying they're actively killing you or at least not caring as

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you kill your children or yourself yeah they don't care about they think the

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idea that they it's presented as a gun safety organization when issues of gun

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safety like this are ignored that is disqualifying as like you being able to

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call yourself that if you are a gun safety organization then one major thing

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is you should be on the side of recalling defective guns because they

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will kill people yeah it's not like I don't know maybe a defective toaster

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could kill somebody it could you could get electrocuted or something like that

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but that's why they would get fucking sued and they would have to recall them

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that's why they get yeah that's why things are in place fucking lettuce gets

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recalled right and lettuce is designed as food not as specifically put bullets

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in living things guns big lettuce that's unreal yep yep because because it's only

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there's only two ways to go there's only two ways to go if you're the NRA if

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you're the NRA you say we need to have these recalled because this look

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reflects poorly on gun owners you would hope that's the direction they'd go

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right or the other direction is lobby so fucking hard you immunize every gun

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manufacturer to this level to this extent of just you can kill yeah you can

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kill go for it articles I was reading too about that specific manufacturer

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tourists like their history is super messed up their parent company operates

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out of Brazil and they had bought up a competitor so they provided like 90% of

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the guns that were sold and produced in Brazil and the Brazilian government has

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a law in place where law enforcement has to buy Brazilian made guns yeah and so

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they're basically the sole supplier of the military and police's guns and nine

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of their models were completely defective or at least potentially had

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the risk of being completely defective well in in their defense in future guns

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they did mark it as the unsafety as opposed to the safety so I did watch a

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video two of the the guy who the lawyer who was running that case like

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demonstrating how the defect works like with an unloaded gun yeah it's crazy

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because it is like you watch him very meticulously turn on the safety and then

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pull the trigger and it's like this would have fired yeah it does the exact

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same goes through on yeah and dude if you read interviews with him is like

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while I filed my briefs and my lawsuit one of the things that I put very

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specifically into the language was that this has nothing to do with Second

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Amendment rights yeah people's rights to have guns this is very clearly a product

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quality yeah exactly and still yeah this is just like hey we are selling this

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Pinto we think it's a great idea we love it and it turns out the car lobbies have

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made it so if your car explodes we don't even have to tell anybody that's unreal

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keep it on the low unreal yep messed up Wow so how did that lawyer not just like

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rip his hair out become a fucking monk he didn't seem happy yeah so there's

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breaking news that has developed on the 18th and that is that a local Thai

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restaurant in Austin I'm sorry opened a new branch in Paragold Arkansas did not

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know it's the owner of this Thai restaurant apparently said in a sense

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deleted Facebook post and what I mean sense I mean by the time Alex is

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reporting on it uh-huh that he fails to give a shit about the kids who died at

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Sandy Hook in as much as I don't care that white children are being killed

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something along those lines shitty yeah not good not great not a good response

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not great pretty bad I would say quite bad so Alex dispatches David Knight and

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jacari Jackson right we gotta get the dream team together if I can really get

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to the bottom of this shit and politely harass the owner of this I read I will

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give you the bad news first what's that the show wasn't there the show ends

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before they get back with any report of course so we have no idea how that went

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we might find out next episode I'm not entirely sure but Alex in talking about

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this Thai restaurant makes this statement and he's really angry about

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the racism of like I don't care about these white kids being shot yeah of

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course he is and then he says this proclamation about what if I did that

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about other groups their pad thai isn't even that good I'll guarantee you folks

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if I got on air when there was say a gangland shooting in Chicago where a

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couple black kids got killed and if I said who cares they're just you know

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shut the fuck up right now stop you know paraphrase quote I don't think that I'm

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not saying that they'll cut it out of context I would be destroyed in a matter

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of weeks I would be off all my affiliates it would be over I mean

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so at least 20 times throughout the 17th and 18th Alex has said hey with these

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mass shooting statistics most of them were just gangs killing each other so he

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has minimized that whole thing yep in listening to it I didn't cut those clips

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on my way through and I didn't have an easy way to go back and find all of them

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to prove my case and I was really worried about the idea like Alex is

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saying if I minimize these gang shootings I would be in so much trouble

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I'd be off the air in a week I was like I really want to demonstrate my point but

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I can't go back and listen to four hours over again and find the clips luckily

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about five minutes later he sees this fucking Christ 88 dead in mass shootings

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half of those are more gang related it's gangs killing each other and they call

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it a mass shooting that's him minimizing and you know what he's saying Wow you

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know how his code works Wow yep it's black people killing each other and you

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know how that way that's fine that's what he's saying fucking Wow that's

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pretty crazy that is so mad at this Thai restaurant owner yeah if I behaved that

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way I'd be off the air doo doo doo doo doo I'm behaving that way problem here's

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the problem I don't like siding with the guy who said he doesn't care of white

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children we're not but I see where he's coming from when Alex does this shit I'm

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not siding with that guy at all I'm siding with fine with white people I'm

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siding with Alex being wrong that's all the wrong side I'm on oh no I'm just

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saying like if you want to justify a post it look this is this is again the

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the people who are so afraid of white genocide are the people who go out of

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their way to give reasons for white genocide being a good idea perhaps like

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it's it's everybody else is fucking like no no that's crazy that's a terrible

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idea except for the people who are afraid of it who are like what if we

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just colonized a country let's just do that like fuck you so Alex has had Larry

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Pratt on earlier on this episode like I said we're not gonna talk anything about

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him because the interview is pointless it's just I love guns blah blah blah

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but towards the end of the show Alex has another guest on who's a member of

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Congress and that's interesting because it always blows my mind when anybody

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from Congress shows up on Alex's show it's weird I think there's a I think we

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often forget that there are 465 members of Congress yeah I mean this guy's in

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the house there's a lot more of them yeah still you would think it's a

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position where it would be unbecoming to go on info war away there's so many of

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those guys who are fucking nuts I understand that it's still surprising

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okay somehow so unpalatable to me I mean like house like state houses or states

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yeah people yeah that's more understandable and that's not to impugn

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the state houses or state Senate's or anything like that they're just more

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able to fly under the radar exactly that's a huge part yeah but that is also

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another huge part of it is we're coming into it with that sort of present-day

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awareness of Alex that maybe didn't exist so much in 2012 where there wasn't

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the stigma of showing up on here and maybe this guy wouldn't get any you know

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bad feedback from it yeah still weird always weird Congress person on and this

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is strange it is a little bit of like I have the ability to write federal

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legislation means you should not be on info wars it seems like yeah ladies and

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gentlemen we are joined by representative Walter B Jones

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joins us from his seat there in the Carolinas north and he is probably one

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of the best lawmakers we have in Congress and certainly the best out of

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North Carolina it's the best out of North Carolina hold on to that thought

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for a moment Walter B Jones was a member of the House of Representatives from

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North Carolina serving from 1995 to February 2019 actually about 15 days ago

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from when we're recording now uh-huh when he passed away while in office so

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he did die very recently rest in peace his career in Congress is one that's

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particularly difficult to discuss in very simple terms for instance from 1982

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to 1992 he was a member of the North Carolina State House of Representatives

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where he'd been elected as a Democrat his father Walter Jones senior had been

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a member of the US House from 1966 to 1992 when he also died in office Walter

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Jr. decided that he wanted to run for his father's open seat but failed

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running as a Democrat so he tried again in 1994 this time running as a

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Republican he used this strong anti Bill Clinton sentiment as a weapon against

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his opponent Martin Lancaster who'd been photographed jogging with the president

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and Jones rode a wave of midterm Republican Obama's an opportunist it's

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all the Democrats they're all opportunists he rode that energy and

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came along with the 1994 takeover of the house that the Republicans did this sort

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of thing seems to run through his career as a politician the changing ideas I

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mean not giving a fuck he was initially a firm supporter of invading Iraq but

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later became a harsh critic he was a member of the Liberty caucus and claimed

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to have libertarian values but still co-sponsored legislation to ban online

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gambling Jones was the one who in March 20 2003 furious that France didn't

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support the u.s. going to war in Iraq demanded that the congressional

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cafeteria renamed French toast and french fries freedom toast and freedom

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fries great he was that guy that's the guy a 2005 article in the Guardian

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points out that the quote the name change still in force made headlines

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around the world both for what it said about the u.s. French relations and its

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pettiness yeah get him that not a surprise that guy winds up on him for

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by that point in 2005 Walter Jones had already soured on the Iraq War so when

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asked about renaming foods that whole thing he said quote I wish it had never

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happened which is a strange way to say quote I wish I hadn't done that taking

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responsibility away from you it's something I was a bystander mm-hmm it

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also should be noted that among the list of his top donors you'll find that he's

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received $53,500 from Northrop Grumman $52,500 from Lockheed Martin and $48,200

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from the NRA the Center for Responsive Politics lists Jones as the largest

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recipient of NRA money among North Carolina House members with the total he

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received including expenditures that they made on his behalf coming in at

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over $56,000 so it probably shouldn't surprise anyone that he has an a rating

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from the NRA and consistently votes against any common-sense regulations

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about gun safety in 2007 Jones voted to ban gun registration in Washington DC

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and repeal the law that did exist on the books about needing to lock up guns he

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voted in 2009 to make all state concealed carry permits valid in every

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other state which seems to run counter to these states rights ideas that these

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people profess to have but I don't know is that it is that what we really need

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to do like with this guy it's just like if if anti-gun groups have donated forty

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eight thousand dollars or whatever would he be anti-gun is that really all it is

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I don't think so because it seems like it I think it's a huge part of it but

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you don't think I just doesn't give a fuck you'd also need to replace the

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other fifty thousands that are coming from defense contractors and shit like

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all right fine is that is that what it is is it just a bidding war for

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Republican votes I think if a lot of that money were to disappear a lot of

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people's impetus to behave the way they do would disappear seems like it I think

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and certainly not all of them but a lot of them also in 2010 Walter Jones signed

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a house resolution that would encourage schools and community organizations to

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use the Eddie Eagle gun safe program and encouraged supporting funding for the

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program being used in schools the Eddie Eagle gun safe program was developed by

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and run entirely by the NRA that is a super slimy move right it's just as

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slimy as Alex Jones having Walter Jones on his show to spread fear about how the

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man is coming for your guns without disclosing that he has accepted money

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from and tried to funnel government funds to the NRA an organization that

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exists almost exclusively to disallow the possibility of having a real

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conversation about guns in this country whatever else we can say about how Alex

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responded to Sandy Hook these few days that we've heard so far clearly indicate

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that his number one priority was to round the wagons and pack his show with

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pro-gun propagandists unreal yeah dude on fucking real yeah

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it's is there is there less evil is there a less evil that they could be

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doing is there some way we could distract them with keys or something

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you'd hope like just jangle them over the other side and be like oh socialism

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we're gonna bring it and then all the while like sneakily take their guns away

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because this is fucking unreal it's it's pretty wild I don't know I don't want to

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take their guns and no one really actually ever did but they sure didn't

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save one more clip here and that is at the end of the show on December 18th

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Alex gets a call from somebody who lives in in Newtown and someone who their kids

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went to Sandy Hook they don't go there anymore but they went to the school and

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I'm gonna play this clip because this clip is firmly demonstrative that if

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like Alex can't ever in good conscience believe that the people at that school

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were actors this clip firmly proves that he has to think that everything was real

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and we were involved my I was very involved with the school I ran the Cub

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Scouts the third and fourth grade out of Sandy Hook Elementary I live like a mile

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down the street my wife used to do the Sandy Hook Elementary School clothing

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lines we used to sell a bit you know they do stuff for Christmas and Halloween

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and you know all the holidays they try to represent you know by having some

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gathering or you know parties at the school at night so you know we were

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pretty involved we knew a lot of his teachers and I want to thank you first

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of all you know before I forget to do this I want to thank you for everything

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you do and I want to thank you for putting up Victoria Soto's picture

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because she was actually my son's after-school tutor you know kids are

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having problems with like math or whatever she she was a tutor for him

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for like the last three years he was in Sandy Hook Elementary so I had

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conversation with her twice a week and for folks that don't know who she is

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tell tell him about her well she was she was a young girl who did she was like a

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teacher's assistant and she did like with my son he was having trouble with

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math so she would work with the kids after school for an hour hour and a half

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you know giving them you know extra tutoring you know bringing them up to

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you know the skills they needed to get through their class and really good girl

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very smart you know and my son loved working with her you know he didn't mind

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being there at all and for folks that don't know she saved a lot of people

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Wow and and so he's exasperated there at the end he posted a photo of her

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memorializing her on infowars.com he has this guy who's calling in thanking him

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for that whose kids went to the school and don't go there anymore because

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they're they've aged out he's talking about years in the past that they went

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to Sandy Hook Elementary School in order for Alex to pivot his narrative into

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believing that people were actors and this was staged which we do know is an

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eventual endpoint he gets to he has to then believe that they were actors

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planted in that school for years does this guy has experience with these the

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people who like she died yep Victoria Soto died at that school and this guy

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knows that he knows her I don't I don't I just it's important to it's important

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to nail some of those things down in terms of his like how far it must fall

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because that is in a vacuum a human response that he had to that caller yep

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in a vacuum that is okay that saying that she saved children's lives

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absolutely amen you know giving a respectful hearing to this guy who again

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you know Alex Jones's callers are always going to come with a grain of skepticism

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but I listened to his entire call I don't see any red flags he has a lot of

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details and seems a very natural way of speaking about his experiences yeah I

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don't he doesn't strike me in the same way as a lot of Alex's bullshit callers

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do so I'm ready to accept whatever he's saying and so is Alex Alex accepts this

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this is the reality the reality is tragedy whatever he wants to make on top

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of that tragedy in order to defend his guns and his admittedly fucked up fears

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about a civil war that may come from the taking of the guns whatever the case is

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here's what here's the way I want to say this better the recognition that you see

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in that clip is what he exploits if that makes sense the fact that we know and we

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can see that he knows that this is real and this 27 year old teacher at that

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school was murdered and he knows he knows that that is that is a building

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block of his lies and that makes it so much worse to me and that's why you have

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to be fair to him that's why you have to be fair to him because it makes it so

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much worse the same thing we I know like we go we go over a lot we talk about a

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lot is the like the lies that people tell about Alex Jones are often

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spiritually true but they lack certain amounts of accuracy and the nuance and

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the accuracy make it worse than the broad you know Alex Alex lied about

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Sandy Hook yes spiritually true yeah but when you dig into the muck a little bit

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you see the ways that he lied about it and you see the awareness that he had to

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have known he's lying about it it's just it make it goes from opportunistic to

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inhuman yeah it's just really really fucking gross it's hard to like like no

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matter how many times you're confronted with the reality of trafficking women

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you're you're every time you're just blown away by how cruel and stupid and

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pointless human beings can treat other human beings sure you know and and it's

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the same way with Alex in this situation where you just you're just looking at

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that going like how could a human being do that what rationalizations do you

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have to go through every single night to make it okay for you to wake up in the

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next the next day you know like it's it it's so impossible to to really enter

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the mind of somebody who is willing to watch more children die well and it not

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willing to but actively making it so more children will die well I think the

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only explanation for it and it comes back to what I was saying earlier is

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that he has to convince himself or he has to have convinced himself that they

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are trying to do this to get guns which will lead to a civil war which will lead

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to way more kids being killed or whatever and a greater risk to my children so if

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you frame it that way there is an empathic argument or something you know

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like there is like an argument from the saving lives perspective that you could

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talk yourself into now the problem with that and the reason I have a problem

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with that is that it's such an extreme this will lead to that it's an

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extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence and backing yeah

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and I can't imagine being able to convince yourself that that was the

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reality without reading all of these things when you are also somebody who

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only reads headlines and then reports as if you understand all and everything

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about all this stuff how do you convince yourself that a civil war is coming and

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that's what I'm fighting against like how do you how do you not have like well

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I'm not sure about how do you not have the humility or the sort of presence to

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just be like this is what I think I might I might be way off on this it the

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most gross part about this I think is that we're talking about Alex Jones this

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is what you would expect from Alex Jones you know like we've got to about where

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what you'd expect to see is happen exactly not finally it's only been a few

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now no no but but though the and this is part of what makes it so difficult now

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is even in 2012 Alex Jones you expect to minimize the depths of children you

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expect Alex Jones to do all of these awful things because he's Alex Jones

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that's where he's supposed to exist that was the exact same time every

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theoretically reasonable Republican was doing the exact same shit that Alex

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Jones was doing dissembling to try and protect guns in any possible way they

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could this was not Alex Jones being Alex Jones this was Alex Jones reflecting

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mainstream Republican thought probably being a little ahead of the curve yeah

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honestly but yeah still there yeah this is not this is not some dude out on the

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fringes no but that also might be a part of why he has to go further because he

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is still himself and maybe that maybe that's a factor of this that we'll see

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as we move along is realizing like I'm not getting the same adrenaline shot

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that I usually get from being crazy from right just defending guns because

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everyone else is yeah how am I supposed to set myself apart from the pack they're

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all crisis actors or whatever yeah it's got to be something so I think we've

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seen I think I think first of all this isn't a hundred percent an investigation

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to find out when he says people are actors or anything like that right

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because I think that that is a common misconception that that's the only

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negative about his coverage I think we've all I think we've already seen a

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lot of real negatives an infinite amount of negative and I think that we you see

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on the first couple episodes of this him trying to find his footing and then

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finding it a little bit on Sunday but the evolution that it's taken on Monday

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and Tuesday here with this like he's being much more overt about thinking it

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was fake and that the government did it he's bringing in he's introducing new

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narratives about CNN reporting days before about gun stuff as a priming the

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pump kind of thing and then having these paid gun people on in order to help

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reinforce his narratives I think you're seeing a pivoting towards like him and

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knowing what he's doing more yeah and I think that's interesting I think that's

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a great point I think that that's really interesting and I think that you could

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make a demarcation line on just on the 17th or 18th I'm willing to sort of say

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it's vague between you about when like things really the wheels fell off the

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wagon there was still a chance he could have righted the ship based on just his

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his rank speculation on the day of right he probably could have found his center

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and then on Sunday he's even saying I kind of think that the the official

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story is right right that sort of thing right right so all the way to the next

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day and the day after he's just yep and I think yeah so I'm I'm interested to

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see how quickly it deteriorates further but for now it's not good disgusting

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disgusting so what's not disgusting is our website nicely alright it is alright

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it's at knowledge fight calm I indeed it is what about our Twitter page Dan

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it's knowledge underscore fight what about Facebook we are there we have a

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group called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant how about iTunes

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is that you can subscribe rate review all that wonderful Ballyhoo here's the

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biggest problem so far with our Sandy Hook investigation not a lot of people

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who haven't killed not a lot of people who haven't killed a guy I bet that

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Walter Jones didn't kill anybody do you yeah I mean he was a North Carolina

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House State House member for years that's how you get initiated into the

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State House you gotta get like jumping someone have you not seen what's going

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on in North Carolina right now I don't know about this in North Carolina why

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don't you regale me with a story well North Carolina did every year since 1874

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that was the first State House election where they all decided that the only way

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that the North Carolina State House was going to work is if everybody agreed to

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kill a guy mm-hmm so they all got together so you get a work between each

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other they wore these big robes and they just fucking man I don't know I'm so

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sad so sad so miserable Rita Sklar the executive director and she actually

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should be someone Alex looks up to because of her behavior in trying to

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fight back against SWAT teams mirroring martial law that Alex is so afraid of

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she's never killed anybody but one guy technically probably has and that's Alex

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Jones Andy in Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding well Alex I'm a

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first-time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you