Transcript/259: January 27-29, 2019

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan!

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around,

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drink novelty beverages, and talk wee bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are, Dan.

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Hi.

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Dan?

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Yes?

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Ready Player One sucks.

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I've never seen it, I've heard a lot of sniping about it on Twitter.

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It's bad.

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Cool, that's not a question.

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It's bad.

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I noticed you never asked me about anything that I know about.

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You know what I mean?

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You ask vague questions about like, have you ever done this?

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Or something like that, but you never ask something I have legitimate expertise in.

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What would you like?

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What, you have legitimate expertise in so many things.

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That's right, so many possibilities for questions.

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I'm trying to give people a larger breadth of your life and your history.

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Sure.

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And also tell them that Ready Player One sucks.

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I hear it's terrible, I'll double down on it for you.

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Oh man.

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I'll take your word.

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So bad.

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I'm not much of a movie guy.

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I know that seems weird.

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Considering you managed a movie theater for a long time?

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I think that's a part of it though.

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Yeah, you soured on it.

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Well you kind of ruin the magic of it.

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Like I think a lot of people have a real, like even if you watch a movie at home,

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it still sort of triggers the same parts of your brain where it's like you're going into

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the movie theater, you're a kid, you don't understand, there's a projectionist getting

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paid four dollars an hour up there who's probably high.

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Fair.

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You know there's no, there's...

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Shout out to Lewis Ryan, love you buddy.

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When you work at a movie theater for long enough you just like,

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it starts to become a nuisance.

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You associate bad feelings with the theater itself and there's no magic to it.

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It actually makes you mad because the period that I lived through in movie theaters too

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was the time when you was transitioning from actual film to digital.

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And so what they did was essentially get rid of an entire job.

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You know you get rid of projectionists who are experts in dealing with this film and

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threading it through projectors and troubleshooting problems and then all of a sudden all you

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have to do is hit a button.

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And so like I even have that resentment inside me when I think about movies.

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Yeah.

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It's a lot to unpack.

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I just don't like to watch movies much.

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I think projectionists had a union once upon a time.

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They do.

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Now we're getting to a subject you know a lot about.

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I do because I tried to unionize my theater back in Missouri.

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Oh yeah?

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I didn't get off the ground very far with it because there were very serious just like

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don't do that, we will just fire you really fast.

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That sort of thing.

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And I was like, I was probably like 1920 at the time or something.

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And so I was like, I don't need the headache.

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Yeah, no.

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But there is a projectionists union.

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But generally speaking those are people who work in different sort of like not they generally

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aren't at commercial movie theaters.

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So they'll be the people who are like the projectionists for IMAX theaters and stuff

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like like much more specialized projectors and things like that.

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And we sort of flirted with the idea of trying to get into that union and just never got

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off the ground.

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Never happened.

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But I miss those days.

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I loved working with film.

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Like I loved it and yep.

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Anyway, I don't like movies much.

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Yeah, no, I understand.

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My excuse is that they take up so much time.

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But then here I am sitting here listening to fucking countless hours of this dickhole

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Alex Jones screaming.

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But if you watch a movie, you don't learn that much.

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But from what I've done, I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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And I only know about Ready Player One and how much it sucks.

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I'm getting the sense that you recently watched it.

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I even tried to watch the riff tracks version of it.

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Didn't help?

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No, no.

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That's too bad.

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No, it's terrible.

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Jordan, we got a big show to go over today.

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Big, big show.

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Yeah.

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January 27th through 29th, 2019.

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I assume nothing important happened in those days.

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Groundbreaking stuff happens about halfway through the show.

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I'm going to declare myself a prophet and we will see why.

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Very interesting stuff.

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All right.

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But before we get to today's show, I got to give some shout outs to some new donors.

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Hell yeah.

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But I also need to make an apology.

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A lot of people have messaged about the buttons that we offered.

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And I'm going to forward all those emails to our mailing department, which is you.

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Which is me.

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But because we have probably less buttons than the demand is, give us a little time on that.

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Give us a little bit of time.

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We will send them out.

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I'll send all the buttons that I can.

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Yeah.

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And we'll figure out how to make more and all that.

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It'll be taken care of.

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Give us a little time.

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We're not good at this.

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We're not.

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It's really just you and me sitting in a room in a room in your room.

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Yeah.

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So also, like I said, got to give a shout out to some people who have joined up and

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are supporting the show.

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We appreciate it very much.

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First, I'd like to say thank you to Tom.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Tom.

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Hey, Tom Derrydahl.

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Ding dong a dillo.

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Oh, is that from Ready Player One?

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Is he in Ready Player One?

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No.

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Is he Player Two?

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Okay.

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Fellowship, buddy.

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Next, Eden.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Eden.

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Thank you very much, Eden.

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Next, Greg.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Greg.

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Next, and finally, Hans, I believe, but it's spelled H-A-N-N-E-S, which I enjoy.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Hans.

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Thank you, Hans.

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I love you.

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Guys, if you're out there, folks listening, and you want to support the show, you like

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what we do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking that

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button says support the show, and we'd appreciate it.

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Indeed you can.

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So, Jordan, like I said, big old show today.

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There's a trend forming, and we saw on the day that Alex discovered that Roger Stone

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had been indicted, a pretty standard response from him in terms of like pretty low-key,

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just like, ah, this is bullshit kind of thing.

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Very petty as well.

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A little bit petty.

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This is my world exclusive.

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No one is allowing me to have it.

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No one's paying attention to me.

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As we covered on our Monday episode of this week, his response to it immediately was that,

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and then sort of got fucking weird by the end of the show and was rambling about God.

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God's going to get there.

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Very standard kind of Alex Jones response to a crisis.

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Now, our show is going to pick up today on the 27th, which was Sunday, and go till Tuesday.

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And I think during this period of time, we will see a much more sincere response that

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Alex Jones has to Roger Stone being indicted, and I think it will be very gratifying for everyone.

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But we have to jump in on the 27th, and on this clip, Alex gets a little bit Islamophobic,

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which is cool for him, I guess, but also says that some globalists are getting murdered

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around the globe, and he seems pretty thrilled about it.

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Oh, no.

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They're in the 12th, 13th week of the yellow vest.

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Now the police have shot people with real bullets.

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The French are only getting more aggressive.

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They're not like the Islamic hordes that just burn cars and rape women.

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They're actually targeting leftist operations, government facilities, red light cameras,

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infrastructure.

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And a lot of leftist and globalists have been falling down and hitting their heads.

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Some people have been, I read about it, they've been finding some globalists hanging themselves.

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I have no idea who would do something like that, but people are starting to kill,

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and they're doing it in targeted ways.

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And so that's where this is going.

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That's not good.

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It's not good.

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Isn't that called terrorism?

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Oh, you bet.

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He's celebrating political murders.

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Is he celebrating terrorism and fascism?

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Now, I don't know if these are actual murders or anything, or he's just making this up or

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trying to conflate things.

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I don't know.

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I don't really care.

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I mean, I care on some level, but in terms of tracing this down, I don't care about us

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covering it necessarily outside of just saying that, oh, that's a clear demonstration of

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Alex being like, hey, people I politically disagree with are getting murdered and I'm

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fucking pumped about it.

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Love it.

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He is thrilled.

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So in this next clip, he starts talking about some of his political concerns in this late

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January 2019 sphere.

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And it's interesting what he seems to be upset about.

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Also, we first told you about this a few months ago in the Beat the Drum.

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President Pelosi.

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Now that's mainstream headlines.

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We've got the leader of the Black Caucus and others saying she's really the president.

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We're going to remove Trump and put her in and then, oh, guess what?

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She can appoint her vice president.

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Oh, Hillary.

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Next news today.

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Next year's news today.

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What?

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So in this, Alex is citing a Breitbart article that's really just a collection of screenshotted

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tweets from people reacting to an article in BuzzFeed about the possibility of Pelosi

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becoming president.

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Even the article that Alex is talking about and every right thinking person doesn't really

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think that Washington politicians have much interest in an impeachment trial, especially

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one of Pence, when 2020 is fast approaching.

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It's not like they can't be tried when they're out of office.

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It's not like there's a deadline on it.

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Yeah, no, you can get it.

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There's crimes.

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Also, according to the 25th Amendment, it is true that Pelosi would become president

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if Trump and Pence were kicked out of office or resigned at the same time.

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But odds are that would never happen if they're both convicted of impeachment at the same

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time.

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That's one possibility.

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But there's no chance those trials could be carried out before the 2020 election.

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There's also zero chance that they would ever resign at the same time for this reason.

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If Trump resigns, Pence becomes president.

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But Pelosi doesn't become vice president.

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Pence appoints his new vice president, who then enters the presidential succession grid

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right at the top.

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If they were going to both resign, they would stagger it.

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So Pence's new VP would then ascend to the presidency, thus being able to pardon both

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of them.

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There's zero gain in resigning simultaneously, and they would never, ever do it.

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No, not the only reason that that line of succession shit is there is if they both get

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hit by a meteor in the same at the same time.

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Exactly.

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You know, it's not like, aha, we gotcha.

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Now we got.

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Also, look, even if that does happen, if Nancy Pelosi appoints Hillary Clinton as her vice

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president, I think I would be fine with impeaching her, too.

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But I'd be like, clean house.

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But there's no way that would ever happen ever.

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Sure, the new president gets to appoint their vice president.

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But here's the rub.

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That person has to be approved by majority votes in both houses of Congress.

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You are never going to get Vice President Hillary Clinton through the Senate.

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And I would be shocked if it was even an easy path through the House.

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Quite frankly, this just isn't possible as a real world scenario.

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Alex just doesn't understand civics, and he's trying to bring up his old favorite enemy,

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to make her relevant again, because I think that Alex Jones is starting to miss the days

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of yore.

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I think they all are.

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I think everyone is.

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But Alex is now starting to realize it's fun to make fun of Hillary.

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Oh, so good.

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They had fun when that was all I was doing every day.

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And almost immediately after that, he starts venting a little bit of frustration with his

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God King, Donald Trump.

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So I'm going to say this right now to the president.

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Mr. President, you are not defending yourself, not defending your family.

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You're not defending this country.

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In one critical area, and that's exercising your authority, but also your duty.

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When we have a rogue deputy attorney general.

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That outside of law, set up a whole new system and appointed a special counsel.

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No point of order.

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Rosenstein isn't in charge of that anymore.

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That's acting attorney general Whitaker.

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Unelected God Emperor.

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Who himself helped cover up the crimes of the Clintons and others with the Russians

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and other foreign governments and who himself helped deliver uranium to the Russians on

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the. And who himself first made his bones.

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Using Whitey Bulger as a hit man in Boston and who then went on to just be the absolute

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mafia teeth of the white shoe boy, Robert Mueller.

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He's the Luca Brasi of the FBI.

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He's the guy they send in to cover up 9-11.

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Great.

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He's the guy they send in. I mean, he's the dirtiest of the dirty dirties.

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He needs Lionel's thesaurus.

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The dirtiest of the dirty dirties.

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I don't know how dirty that is, but it sounds really dirty.

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I don't really care about his complaints about Mueller because they all seem to, you know,

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sort of rotate and gravitate around the the idea that he gave the Russians uranium on

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the tarmac. That's such hot bullshit.

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Yep.

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So like I hear that and all I hear is Alex starting to be like fucking Trump.

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You're not doing it.

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You're not doing it.

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And it's interesting.

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It's interesting to hear that.

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I know we've heard sort of similar things in the past, but I wonder if that's going

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to develop that.

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I want to speak to Trump right now and I want to use the words of Ronald Reagan.

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Mr. Trump, tear down this wall.

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Oh, shit.

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No, that was the fuck.

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Yeah, build up this wall.

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So he's he's starting to feel a little bit like Trump.

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You're not doing your job.

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You're not protecting the country, yourself and your family.

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I'm not I don't feel great about it.

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At the same time, Alex has another fire in his house he's got to put out.

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And that is the fact that Roger Stone got indicted.

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And by this point, Alex has probably read that indictment.

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You know, if he can hopefully if he can hopefully somebody has hopefully read it to him.

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I assume they released it as an audio book.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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And so he's got to do a little bit of damage control for Roger.

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And so he tries.

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And I don't think this is a good defense.

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And then they claim that Roger Stone lied when you read that indictment.

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There's nothing there except Roger.

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Acting like he was trying to get in the local college play of acting like a gangster.

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I mean, there is some of that in there.

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That's your angle.

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I really heard Roger act like that.

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But that's that's what the text are.

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OK, all right.

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Wow.

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That's his angle.

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Sure, sure.

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The accusations of witness tampering are really just Roger auditioning for a play.

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He's just acting like a gangster.

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Hey, guess what?

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When you act like a gangster and threaten somebody who's a witness, that's still that's

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still threatening.

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That's not acting like a gangster.

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That is doing what gangsters do.

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Do you know who is the best at acting like gangsters?

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Gangsters.

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Gangsters are.

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You bet.

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Because they do the things that gangsters do.

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Roger Stone is the Luca Bratsy of texting Randy Cretico violent things.

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I think that's still a problem.

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I don't think I don't think you understand.

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It is.

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That's a soft deflection.

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It's real.

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It's real weak.

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It almost gives you the sense that he just doesn't have it in him to really think about

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how to defend Roger and be like, fuck it.

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It sounds so much like Roger blew me off.

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So I guess he was acting.

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I don't give a fuck.

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Let's see him go down.

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So he's got he's got a lot on his plate.

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He's got a lot going on.

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And he accidentally makes a couple of unforced errors on this episode, this 27th, the Sunday

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episode.

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The first of them is that he completely bungles his pretend the right and left paradigm is

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a is an illusion.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He has he has shades of this all the time where he when he says globalist, he means

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Democrat, that sort of thing.

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He pretends or leftist.

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Right.

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He's above the left right designation.

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But he is happy when leftists are getting murdered.

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Well, there's that.

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And but every single time he associates someone with the globalists there, it's almost a one

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to one parallel with people who are sort of more on the liberal side.

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And this clip, he just basically says that every Republican who is part of the globalists

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are secretly Democrats.

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So that's what's happened.

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They brought in a bipartisan group, but mainly Democrats, but bipartisan group of globalists.

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The Bush's are really Democrats.

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Sure.

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Bring in these Rockefeller Republicans were really Democrats.

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And they put their people in ever since 1989.

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What?

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They've really had their full coup over the country.

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Thought it was FDR.

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And then they all got lazy or whatever.

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And Trump got in in 2016 and they freaked out JFK.

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And so the first thing did was a point.

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Robert Mueller, who brought him into power before that.

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His timeline is so completely fucked in terms of like when these globalists took control

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of X, Y or Z, which was 1899, 1492.

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And Columbus sailed the globalist blue.

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If it rhymes, it's globalist.

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So that's unfortunate.

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The idea that like the Bush's, they're secretly Democrats and all these people who are like,

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you know, they present as Republicans.

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They're actually Democrats because they were the globalists.

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He just means not fascists.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's interesting you see that.

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That's what he really means.

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Because listen to this next clip where he makes his second unforced error.

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So I'm gonna say it again very, very slowly.

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I know the audience knows this, but we have to get this out to the president, everybody

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else.

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The president's like, I just want to turn the economy back on, secure the border, increase

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the defense budget.

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But not sounds like a white bitch, the Middle East, but have superior weapons, strength

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through peace.

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Makes sense.

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All these things that are classic John Wayne Americana that anybody that's pro-America

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should be for.

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I mean, yeah, it's got a little bit of fascist icing to it.

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It's not the communism and the globalism they're trying to get us.

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And you know what, you're five-year-old fat, sexualized, you see the whole system against

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you.

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What the fuck, Alex?

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And you people don't want that because they want the power.

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Sure, sure, it's got a little bit of fascist icing.

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Yeah.

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Anything, any red blooded American would be for.

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At least a little bit of fascist icing.

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It's perfect John Wayne Americana with a thin veneer of fascism over it.

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I feel like most of his career has been predicated on the idea of a little bit of fascism leads

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to a whole lot of it.

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The problem is, generally speaking, when you have fascist icing, you put the little joke

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candles of white nationalism on top.

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And no matter how hard you blow, they just keep fucking lighting back out.

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They're trick candles.

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Yeah.

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So that is like, that to me is like, your head's not in the game, man.

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I know it's Sunday and it's kind of just like shoot from the hip Sunday in 2019.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He knows that, ah, who gives a fuck.

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Anyone listening doesn't have critical thinking skills, but that's crazy to me.

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What's your favorite flavor of fascist icing?

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I think strawberry.

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Strawberry.

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Strawberry cream.

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Strawberry cream, huh?

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Sure.

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I like the orange sickle, Dan.

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There you go.

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That's the way to go.

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Real sad to see that, you know?

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Real, real fucked up.

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Sure, Trump is kind of a fascist.

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It's too obvious.

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So what?

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It's too obvious.

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I know.

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We've been calling him a fascist rightly for so long, then for him to just say it kind

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of makes me, it's like when you're blackmailing somebody and then they're just like, you know

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what, fuck it, I'm just going to come out.

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You lose your hold.

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Right.

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You lose your leverage.

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So now it's just like, well, he's admitting he's a fascist, so what are we going to do?

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Well, we can learn about other things, but I mean, the way he's presenting it is classic

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Alex Jones.

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It is this idea is like, sure, Trump is a little bit of a fascist icing, but at least

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he's not a communist.

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Yeah.

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Which is, I mean, that's what he should be saying.

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Like if he were being more intellectually honest with his audience, he would have been

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saying stuff like that all along.

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Yeah.

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Because where Alex lives and where he comes from is rampant anti-communist propaganda,

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bread-baiting nonsense from the Cold War times.

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Like the people who are his spiritual predecessors, that's, they would be fine with Americana

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fascism as opposed to the communist menace that they've built up because American fascism

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would still be a ruthless capitalist system.

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Yeah.

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I would say plenty of the 1950s could be characterized by fascism.

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A lot of business interests in America were totally fine with the idea of it.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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The Beat generation literally said all the time, hey, you guys are fascists and they

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weren't all wrong.

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Right.

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You know?

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But what I hear from Alex here is a little bit of getting right with God even.

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Yeah.

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I know that might be a little bit too much to throw out there.

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Let's see how this goes.

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But I hear when he says that, like, it's easy to look at that as like a big fuck up and

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on some levels it definitely is.

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Yeah.

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But you take another step back and it's like, oh, that's more honest.

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That is something you wouldn't have said before because you have to deflect every single possible

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criticism of Trump, but now you're opening yourself up to like the idea of like, yeah,

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yeah, these are, there are some negative, real serious negative things.

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It's interesting.

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It's interesting that it happens two days after Roger Stone gets fucking indicted.

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That is, he's a little bit, he's a little bit thrown off.

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But I mean, if you want to go back to, you know, if you want to go back to Obama, you

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can say, ah, he was doing all this great stuff.

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But at the same time he was persecuting more whistleblowers under a, a spy act from 1910s.

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He was deporting more people than the presidents before.

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Right.

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Like I can be intellectually honest and say that he had, uh, you know, his fuck up.

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The difference is you haven't spent three years every day deflecting every criticism

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of Obama.

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And then initial, then once your best friend who used to be Obama's chief advisor for 20

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fucking years gets indicted, you start saying, you know what?

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Obama was real fucked up with the drones.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That to me is monumental.

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Exactly.

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But it still could just be a slip up on the, on the Sunday show.

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Cause he knows it's low stakes.

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Well, you, you can often trip on some fascist icing.

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If you, if you've got the little container open, maybe you're eating it with your finger

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and you know, you're not supposed to do that.

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You drop it accidentally, slip your foot on there.

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And then all of a sudden you believe that Trump is a good president.

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That's just how it goes.

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Yep.

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So he has Roger on to do some deflecting and what have you at the end of this Sunday show.

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And one of Alex's big criticisms is you're being too much about your own defense.

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I need you to go on the offense.

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I need you to be the Roger Stone that attacks people.

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And you're just saying you're innocent all the time, which again is a valid criticism.

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But the first thing we're doing here right now is, uh, just, uh, you and Owen, um, breaking

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down where you see all this going, because when I hear you on air and on other shows

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and on my own, you get into how you're innocent.

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We all know that.

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What about uranium one?

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What about Mueller being involved in himself?

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What about them involved in Russia?

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Okay.

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What about the stuff we talked about all the time?

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Coverup for me, it's the hypocrisy that you've done nothing wrong.

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And these people are up to their eyeballs trying to overthrow an election.

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And then Trump sits there and doesn't do anything about it.

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Roger.

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No, Alex, I think you're absolutely right.

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That's the reason of course that they want to silence me because I have been a critic.

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I wrote a 5,000 word piece on uranium one for the info Wars website and changed the

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world by doing so.

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Well, Alex, I would like to do that, but, uh, unfortunately in a court of law, they

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would prove that I was a liar and neither you nor I can have our bullshit said in law

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court.

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Right.

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You can't help me in my real world.

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All I can do is do exactly what we've already said he's going to do, which is use Alex

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and his audience for money, which they get to in this next clip.

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So I'm not going to fold that I can tell you, but I am deeply concerned about having

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the resources to move forward.

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Let me bring that up because, because we all just say, Hey, stone defense fund.com.

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And I say, Hey folks, buy some products.

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We should support if people don't support you and understand that you're a linchpin

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to their whole system and that they're trying to break your will to make you bear false

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witness.

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If people don't back you, then they're backing the globalist.

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So stone defense fund.com.

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If they don't go to info war store.com and get great products and great films and great

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books and great supplements and things they need, then the globalist will be able to shut

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us down.

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It's been a beautiful thing that we've stood this long, but it shows that there aren't

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many men out there that were willing to actually stand up and put a fight up against Hillary.

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We're being punished for Hillary being defeated.

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We're being punished for being loyal Americans and helping kickstart the heart of America

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with a defibrillator.

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And we've done that.

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And the globalists are trying to put the genie back in the bottle.

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It's critical.

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We stay on the front line.

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It's critical that we stay vocal.

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It's critical that as we run this very dark time, as America fights for its life, that

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info wars be here.

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And just as important as buying products, then for store.com is again, the articles,

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the videos, the live stream feeds, the local stations, however you listen, tell people

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to tune in.

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They just need it, man.

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They need it.

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It's so intense.

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There's so much.

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We need money.

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And yeah, I guess you do.

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I mean, more so than probably in the past.

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Like at least there's an actual reason, you know, like you are going to go to prison.

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Probably a lot of prison.

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And Alex is in like, he's getting sued by everybody and things are falling apart.

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His best friend's going to prison.

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So I mean, yeah, I understand the like, the depressiveness of it.

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But at the same time, I mean, what you see here is almost exactly what you would expect,

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except for those little kernels.

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The idea that Alex is more honestly talking about Trump having fascist tendencies.

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The idea that he's expressing sort of a frustration with Trump about not standing up for himself

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in the country.

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Which you could only do by acting like a fascist.

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And a frustration with Roger not defending or just defending himself as opposed to going

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on the attack.

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Although his version of going on the attack is just doing exactly what they've been doing

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all the time.

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Right.

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Saying the same things like, oh, these are the guilty ones.

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Why won't you deflect with me instead of saying that you're guilty or that you're innocent?

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And so the Sunday show sort of, you know, it piqued my interest, but it didn't really.

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I had a hunch when I listened to it that we were in for something.

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Yeah.

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But I didn't know quite what until I turned on the Monday show and then things spiraled

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and my mind got blown.

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Completely blown.

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Yeah.

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What we are about to witness is Alex Jones trying to pretend that the last five years

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didn't happen.

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OK.

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While still trying to deal with some of the issues of the president.

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OK.

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He's going to pretend he's 2009 Alex all over again.

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Really?

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He's just going to let it go?

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Do you mean 10 years?

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Well, I mean, 2009 is such our framework of it.

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But he's just trying to pretend, hey, I didn't spend all that time being Trump's bootlicker.

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That's basically what he's going to do on this Monday episode.

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And it's completely crazy.

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Really?

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And I knew something was up as soon as we jump into the episode and he gets back to trying

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to cover the topics, trying to cover issues that are important to him.

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What?

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There's so many things bouncing around in my head before I go live that I haven't really

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decided what I was going to cover first.

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But I thought before I got here, I said, you know what?

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I'm going to print up some autism statistics and I'm going to print up some numbers about

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how they've gone from five vaccines to over 100 they want you to take.

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And I'm going to get into the fact that third world populations coming in that are spreading

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disease in this country.

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And then they pointed anti-vaxxers, even though you do the research, it's not anti-vaxxers

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that are spreading measles, the measles, the mumps, the rubella, and things like that.

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Washington State.

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I love it when Alex Jones says you do the research.

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You do the research, Dan.

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So he spends like an hour doing a TED talk, basically about vaccines.

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And we'll get into a little bit of it as it goes along, because, you know, I long for

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this version of Alex Jones that actually says things, right?

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You miss it.

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There's a part of me that's delighted by this.

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So this thing that he's saying, he's so full of shit trying to blame immigrants for disease

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outbreaks, this is quite literally just white nationalist propaganda.

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And it's a narrative that's been used since time immemorial to demonize non-white populations

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as dangerous.

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From a recent article in NBC News, quote, there's no evidence to show that migrants

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are spreading disease, said Dr. Paul Spiegel, who directs the Center for Humanitarian Health

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at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health.

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Quote, that is a false argument that's used to keep migrants out.

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The article goes on to discuss the tragic irony that the right wing attacks immigrants

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over health issues, when the reality is that our health care system deeply relies on immigrants

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to run.

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As a recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association points

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out, quote, 16% of health care workers in the US were born somewhere else, including

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29% of physicians, 16% of registered nurses, 20% of pharmacists, 24% of dentists, and 23%

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of nursing, psychiatric, and home health care aides.

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Yep, that checks out.

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This type of demonizing rhetoric is an essential piece of establishing an authoritarian system.

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The scapegoating of the other is key.

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And it's crucial that the argument be made that your cruelty are being done as defensive

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measures.

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The Nazis created tons of propaganda about Jews being lice who spread typhus, which was

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something they were trying to protect the German people from.

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Even prior to that, Jews were consistently and baselessly blamed for spreading the bubonic

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plague.

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But even outside of authoritarian concerns, there's a serious trend in Western history

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to blame disease on something external, as if somehow admitting that we're all susceptible

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to illness would be admitting weakness or sin.

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In the 1830s, Irish immigrants were scapegoated for causing cholera outbreaks.

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Actually, we did do that.

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During the Renaissance period, the British called syphilis the French disease, although

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the French thought it was the Italians' fault.

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And the Italians pointed the finger at the French.

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Bigotries are confirmed by blaming others in this way, and that's been done countless

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times throughout our history, from African Americans and syphilis to the homosexual community

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and HIV and AIDS.

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This mentality at best is useless and a deterrent to progress, and at worst is a tool employed

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by authoritarian rulers to define in-groups and out-groups and make certain that the in-group

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has a built-in fear of the out-group.

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And not just that, but it damages your, like, it's counterproductive for what it is you

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think that you're trying to do.

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Yep.

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At the same time you're demonizing immigrants for spreading disease, you're spreading anti-vaxxer

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bullshit, which by your own, you know, you are only hurting the people that you think

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are immune from disease by virtue of whiteness.

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Yeah.

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A Milbank Quarterly paper from 2002 discusses the, quote, persistent association of immigrants

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and disease in American society.

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And it features the headline, The Foreignness of Germs, which Alex likes headlines, so I

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just wanted to throw that out there.

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That's nice.

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They study the period from the late 1800s to the present day and found, quote, anti-immigrant

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rhetoric and policy have often been framed by an explicitly medical language, one in

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which the line between perceived and actual threat is slippery and prone to hysteria and

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hyperbole.

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They found that throughout our country's wonderful history, quote, policymakers have employed

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strikingly protean medical labels of exclusion, end quote, in order to use exaggerated medical

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concerns to exclude the people that they deemed objectionable.

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This is the driving force behind this rhetoric and explains why the rhetoric persists even

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long after improved health care all but eliminates the need to be concerned about the underlying

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diseases.

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It's all a function of nativist tendencies towards exclusion.

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Now, in the real world, the Journal of the American Medical Association has done a very

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series of very in-depth studies about the connection between willful non-vaccination

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and outbreaks of vaccine preventable diseases.

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In one instance, they discussed 12 recent outbreaks of pertussis, for which they had

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access to detailed vaccination records for people involved in nine of the outbreaks.

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In eight out of the nine outbreaks they had information about, the incidence of intentionally

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unvaccinated individuals was never lower than 59% and in cases was as high as 93%.

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And in other, they discussed findings from 18 measles outbreaks, where they found that

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of the cases they had vaccination records for, 70.6% of individuals involved had nonmedical

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exemptions to vaccination, which is what Alex promotes.

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Put very simply, what they found by tracing the epidemiology of transmission was that

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children with vaccine exemptions have a substantially greater risk for acquiring measles than fully

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vaccinated children.

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In one study, the risk was 35 times that of the vaccinated population and higher rates

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of vaccination exemption in a community are associated with greater measles incidences

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in that community.

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They found literally the same thing about pertussis.

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In another peer-reviewed study published in the Public Library of Science Journal, they

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examined the areas of high rates of nonmedical exemptions to vaccination.

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Part of their findings involved discussion of the 2014 measles outbreak that originated

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at Disneyland, which led to 111 cases of the disease and how Oakland, California is suspiciously

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a city with a high rate of nonmedical exemptions to vaccination.

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There are trends that you can track and people have done it and they found that places

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with higher incidence of these nonmedical exemptions always have more incidences of

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these preventable diseases.

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It's nonsense.

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There are definitely tons of studies that back this up, although there is no data to

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suggest that immigrants who are coming into the country are infecting people.

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That is purely white nationalist nativist propaganda that Alex Jones is putting out

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into the world.

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It's it I think it has so much to do again with with movies and shit like that, because

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the movie narrative of those infectious diseases is always, you know, somebody got on a plane

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from blah and then they showed up in your town and they just started spreading it around.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, you say, oh, sure, 60 percent of nonvaccinated children or 60 percent of the

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people who are hit by this measles outbreak are nonvaccinated children, but they wouldn't

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have been hit by that measles outbreak if patient zero wasn't from.

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But that's part of these studies, too.

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Like they can find the generation of the right contagion.

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Right.

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But that's the epidemiology.

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So many movies where, you know, like Outbreak or the story about the monkey that spread

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HIV, you know, that whole that whole thing is that's always the narrative.

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Right.

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And that's what those studies were talking about.

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The other ones, not the Journal of American Medicine one, but those ones that were looking

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into history, the idea of the foreignness of germs.

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There is an obsession on our part to deem something external as giving things to us.

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And I think part of that is based in some sort of religious tradition where there is

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the idea that illness means that you did something bad and God is right.

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I think that there is some vestigial part of our brains that that screwed up that still

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affects some people that makes them think that in the same way as so many dumb people

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think that poverty means you're bad.

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The same thing with illness.

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You're bad.

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You did something to deserve this.

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Yes.

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And they are all in government now.

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Yeah.

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And they are all advising the fucking president.

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So Alex comes in with this and I'm like, all right, buddy, you got you threw some meat

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on my plate and it's been a lot.

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It's been a while since it.

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He talks about it for an hour.

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He talks about vaccines for a fucking hour.

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It's almost unheard of.

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It's just wrong for an hour.

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He's not really talking about them vis a vis Trump.

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He's talking about them in reference to his globalist enemies, not defending Trump by

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attacking them, attacking them for the sake of attacking them because they're giving you

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dirty vaccines.

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That's a huge difference.

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And so and he doesn't throw in like, and this is the stuff Trump is trying to stop.

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And that's why we got to support Trump and all that stuff.

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Nope.

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In fact, it's quite the opposite.

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I don't want to just cover Trump or Roger Stone.

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And I like Roger because both of them are going to jail in the room of all the incredible

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stuff going on around the world.

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I ran on the edge of war with Israel.

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What's happening in Venezuela?

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What Soros saying?

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Get ready for China to collapse, which I agree with.

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But that's like a Soros jumping on the bandwagon.

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A lot of listeners love the show, but they also say, Alex, we want you to get back to

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secret society, some and the globalist and the esoteric and weather modification, because

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the last three years, it's been all Trump all the time.

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Holy shit.

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Because we've been in an epic civil war with the globalists.

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It'll still be a lot of Trump here.

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It's just that I don't want to cover every facet of everything Trump does.

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You have, though.

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That's been all you've done for a long time.

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Isn't that nuts?

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And at any time, at any time, Alex, you could have stopped.

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Well, I didn't want to do it.

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No, I could have stopped.

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He couldn't until Roger Stone was fucking indicted.

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That's true.

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Now Roger isn't in his ear every step of the way, or at the very least, he's not listening

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to Roger as much about what narratives he should or should not cover.

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More or less.

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That's that's what that's my feeling that I get from this.

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It's hard to prove that.

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Yeah.

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But like when Alex Jones went on air, when Trump bombed Syria, he's like, you know, he

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shoves ISIS up his dirty asshole and what have you.

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Still a highlight.

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Great.

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It was a great time.

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Him fake slash real crying was still a highlight.

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But I didn't think and I believe that by the end of that episode that we did, I still was

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like, I don't think that he's going to stick to this.

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I'm listening to this and I think he's done.

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You think this is the move?

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I think he's done with Trump.

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Yeah.

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This is the soft beginning of him getting off the Trump bandwagon.

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Because listen to this next clip.

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He's starting to realize that if they go down, he's going to go down unless something changes.

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He realizes that his identity is intertwined with Roger Stone and Donald Trump.

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And that is not a good position to be in right now, because I think by Monday he's read the

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fucking indictment and he realizes, oh, Roger Stone is going to prison.

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So in this next clip, he tries to disentangle himself and it's very pathetic.

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Because, you know, I've been trying to weigh all the good things that Trump has done versus

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the bad things that Trump has done, because Trump really is seen by the globalist as a

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mandate or a figurehead of nationalism and populism and capitalism resurgence.

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And if Trump can be destroyed, if Trump can be discredited, they believe that will start

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the process of retaking all these other countries that they've been controlling and putting

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into poverty and exploiting.

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So it's important to defend Trump when he's doing the right thing.

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It's important to keep his feet to the fire when he's not.

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But there is the fact that letting everything be about Trump makes it to where they are

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able to destroy him or cripple him, then somehow it cripples us.

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And my identity is not President Trump.

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My identity is not Roger Stone, because I support Roger.

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I know he's being railroaded.

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I support President Trump.

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He's doing a great job overall.

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Get frustrated with him.

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But at the same time, my destiny is not bound to Trump, and it's not bound to Roger Stone.

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Unfortunately, it is.

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To quote Jojo, this is too little, too late.

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The timing of this is so far.

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It's been so long since he's been in office for a long time, and it's been so long since

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he's been in office for a long time.

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Too little, too late, the timing of this is so fucking suspicious.

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The timing.

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No, no.

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Come on.

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After after there's Trump's dirty ISIS dirty asshole, he had Roger to get him back on track.

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And now he knows, like, I can't rely on Roger.

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I can't.

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And I think that there's even other elements to that, which we'll get to a little bit later

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in the episode.

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But I think he's like, well, fuck it, Roger.

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I I talked to my lawyer and even my shitty lawyer thinks you're going to jail.

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So I don't think I'm going to listen to you too much.

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Not anymore.

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Well, I mean, think about the predicament he's put himself in now.

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And I think that it's possible that he's waking up from a real, like, long bender, like a

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three year bender with this Trump booze that he's been drinking.

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Yeah.

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Thanks to Roger Stone.

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He's been filling his flagon over and over again.

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And along the way, what has he done?

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Like, now he has no Roger, because Roger's gone to prison and until then they aren't

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going to be able to conspire on anything.

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He knows that Roger's phones are probably tapped.

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Oh, yeah.

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All that sort of things.

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You know, he can't he can't you they can't have the same relationship that they had before,

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whatever that relationship might have been.

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But in the process, by following everything Roger wanted him to do, where is he?

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He can't talk to Steve Puchenik anymore.

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Steve's been banished from his world, which is fine.

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Fine.

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You know, no one misses Steve.

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Webster Tarpley has turned on him because he believes that Trump is an inspiring fascist.

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And from 2016 on, Webster Tarpley, one of his other great sources, now won't talk to

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him anymore.

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Wayne Madsen.

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He always scrapes the fascist icing off of his cupcakes.

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That's Webster Tarpley's fucking M.O.

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Wayne Madsen, the guy who brought us the Call Larry Nichols story, won't talk to Alex anymore

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because of the same concerns, because of his support of Trump.

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He's lost employees.

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Jakari Jackson apparently left over the the trend there.

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Some of his long term employees didn't like the direction of him getting into Trump.

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And they left people like Leanne McAdoo doesn't seem to be interested in this bullshit anymore.

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Like he's lost everything by following Roger Stone's advice to the point he's at.

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And now he realizes, where am I?

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What have I given up everything for?

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I got David Knight and Owen fucking Schroyer hanging around.

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I got nothing.

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This sucks.

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And so I can't imagine reading any historical precedent for what happens if you listen to

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Roger Stone for too long.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Are you saying that after listening to Roger Stone for three years, I've got nothing left?

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That's crazy.

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That's nuts.

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That's never happened before.

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It hasn't happened to everybody.

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So I found that to be really telling.

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And, you know, him trying to be like, I am my own man.

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I have my own identity that isn't Donald Trump, that isn't Roger Stone.

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And I thought that was fine.

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You know, I thought it was interesting.

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And I was still waiting to see where this narrative progressed to.

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And then Alex said what he says in this next clip.

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And I almost fell out of my fucking chair.

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Because if you listen to our show about three episodes back, I said he was going to say

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almost literally what he says.

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We launched 1776 part two.

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We launched the global populist movement.

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We launched the global nationalist movement and the belief that globalism would become

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so obviously oppressive and authoritarian that we should promote its nationalistic counterpart

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to it.

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And we're definitely the detonator.

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This part isn't all that shocking.

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This is stuff you'd kind of expect him to say, but it's the prelude to the bomb.

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In that overall resistance.

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And so that's the point that I'm making here is that Trump didn't bring us to the party.

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We brought Trump to the party.

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I literally said that when Alex decides it's going to be an easy dodge for him, what he's

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going to say is I didn't leave the party.

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Trump left the party, which is a paraphrase.

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He just says exactly what I said he was going to do.

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God damn it.

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I am scared of how, God damn it, Dan, you gotta, we need you to go to, go to a different

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country for a little while.

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Sit on a beach.

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It might be indicative to that he might be listening and we should get a consulting fee.

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Quite frankly, I think that's not a bad idea.

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Trump didn't bring us to the party.

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We brought Trump to the party.

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Absolutely.

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That's a good way.

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That's a good way to do this.

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I think it's probably the smartest way to do it.

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Yeah.

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I mean, the only other way to do it would be to betray all of the principles that you've

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already betrayed, but revealing that you actually believed the principles that you betrayed

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for Trump and Stump.

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You'd have to burn down a lot or do it this way.

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Yeah.

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That's, that's how it's, and he's still, he's still going to have to do a controlled burn,

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but I think you get away a lot easier when you're like, oh no, we were the real thing

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all along and Trump, you know, he, he, he's doing the same thing he did with the tea party.

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Yeah.

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He's doing, he's, and that's exactly where we got the idea that he might do this from.

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Yep.

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He co-opted Trump as long as he could.

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And now, right.

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Much like Stone has the same fucking pattern of behavior whenever he gets caught in a lie,

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Alex, Alex, whenever he needs to cut and run.

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When the going gets tough, Alex gets a moving and pretending he was the real version of

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it all along and everybody else, the real world is faking it and blah, blah, blah.

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We brought Trump to this party, even though I told all of you at the very beginning that

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he was mobbed up and that you shouldn't trust him.

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And then I inexplicably trusted him because of this asshole, Roger Stone, who I also trusted.

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And it turns out he's getting indicted.

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Bad idea.

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I shouldn't have done that.

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And I would continue to listen to him, but he's fighting a gag order.

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So I don't even know if he's going to be on the show.

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Hmm.

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Yep.

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It's a mess.

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It's a mess.

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But I think, I think as much as I hate him, I think he's going to be on the show.

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I hate him and I think he sucks.

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I think Alex is doing the right thing here.

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I don't, I don't think it's going to be enough to save him, but I think it's interesting.

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It's an interesting strategy and I respect it on one level because it at least is a move.

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You know, it's a move that will have consequences.

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And that's, that's more interesting than just staying the course and letting the whole thing

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fall apart.

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It's also a move that says discretion is the better part of valor.

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True.

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But you know, in this next clip, uh, Alex says that, uh, he doesn't think that Trump

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is going down, but the way he's saying it makes me think that he thinks Trump is going

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down.

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And so my statement now that this isn't all about Trump is not because I think he's about

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to be brought down for sure.

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It's so that people understand that if Trump is destroyed, it should not be a demoralizing

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effect because we're on the march and the globalists are on the run.

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That is preemptive damage control.

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Oh boy.

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I think Alex is concerned.

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So I, I don't think Trump is going down, but I do know two people who are going down, uh,

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intimately.

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I know both of them well and, uh, they have told me the shit that they did and that Trump

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was directly involved with that shit.

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So if by any chance they were to be indicted and then, Oh fuck.

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Oh no, no.

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No, it makes you think that, uh, he might be clean.

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I don't, I don't know if he is.

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Yeah.

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Alex might be clean, but now he knows stuff.

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Yeah.

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Of this stuff.

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But now he's, now they've kind of given up like the fact that he's, he's doing this at

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all at right after Rogers indicted specifically days after he goes on one, maybe one 70 full

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one 80 when we're, when we're talking about the shit that course he was involved in as

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well, he knows both of these dudes.

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Yep.

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He's fucked.

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He turned on Corsi because he thought that was a way that he could maintain Roger and

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everything.

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But then once Roger got in trouble, it's like, fuck it.

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I got to change everything.

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So I don't know.

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We'll see.

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I think that he'll maintain all of these shithead positions that he has in defense of Trump,

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but they'll no longer be used in service of defending Trump.

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Right.

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So all the white nationalism, all the anti immigrant stuff, all of the transphobia, all

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that shit, that will all still be there, but it'll be attacking the globalists as opposed

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to, uh, you know, this is what Trump is fighting against.

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Right.

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That sort of thing.

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It's kind of an easy move to make, but well, thank God he's still got Paul Joseph Watson.

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Well, he might not.

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We'll get to that in a little.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Now I'm liking this.

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So at this point, Alex jumps back into his, uh, Ted talk about vaccines.

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Uh, and some of this is a little bit, uh, reiterating what he said before, but, uh, it's worth it

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just to drive home the point that he says this repeatedly.

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And I'm talking about vaccines.

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Vaccines are simply a catch all term for the government mandating something to be put injected

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into your body.

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No, it's not just pathogens or attenuize viruses or, uh, dead bacteria that your body then

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learns how to fight.

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That's a known technology.

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No one's debating that it exists and has some attributes.

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It's the whole precedent of setting the precedent to put things into your body that changed

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the very chemistry of not just, uh, your auto-immune system, but your brain and your organs itself.

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And now the big push on every major channel is arrest people that don't vaccinate.

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And they're claiming that there are increased pathogenic diseases and illnesses like measles

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in areas because of anti-vaccine when the studies don't really show that it's the illegal

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it's the illegal alien influxes.

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So we've already addressed that a little bit.

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That's just white nationalism.

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But the push that people are making is not so much about arresting people who are anti-vaccination.

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I believe the conversations are more about, you know, charging people with malpractice

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who advocate for not vaccinating children who then end up like the kid gets measles

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or, you know, God forbid some other condition that's worse.

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That's that would be a really interesting, uh, court case, uh, that look, you know,

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what my kid got measles and that is we traced back the outbreak of measles and it comes

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back to your anti-vaxxer bullshit.

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Is that grounds for a civil case?

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Yeah, I don't know.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Feels like it would be, but it feels like it would be.

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Yeah.

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So he's talking there about like vaccines or just like anything they put in your body

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or what have you.

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And some of that defense is based on this next clip.

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And I think he doesn't know what he's talking about.

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Now you have to understand, I could talk for 20 hours just about the different types of

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so-called vaccines.

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How is it vaccine?

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It's a genetically engineered virus that only targets certain cells in the brain.

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I thought a vaccine goes in and teaches the body what's bad from outside and how to

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show it destroys things in your body.

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So I think what he's talking about here is sort of just misunderstanding science.

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Yeah, exactly, right?

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Like so very often in the development of medications, like in the research and trial phases, scientists

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find dual uses for what they're developing.

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One big example of that is when they were developing the Zika vaccine, researchers found

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that the vaccine they were working on also showed a bunch of promise in the treatment

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of glioblastoma, a deadly brain cancer.

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And so they started to pursue the possibility that this vaccine could be used to fight brain

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cancer.

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I'm not a scientist.

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I don't really know if I can speak to a lot of the in-depth, in-the-weeds aspects of that.

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But from everything I've been able to look into, I think that that's what Alex is misrepresenting,

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the idea that some vaccines end up having dual purpose.

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Like the same way that Wellbutrin is an antidepressant and is also sold as a smoking cessation drug.

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Like there are, you know, it's not, it's very common.

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The scientists who are working on it, work on it and they find that it, oh shit, it helped

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that.

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And then they're like, oh shit, it helped that.

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Fuck it.

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Let's do them both.

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Yeah.

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It's fine.

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Give them different names.

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It's not like we need to stop.

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We can't solve one problem.

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No, no, no, that's not what this is for.

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Sure, it solves it, but that's not what this is for.

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Fucking make the same thing, give them two names, make double the money.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, so look, there's a lot of ads, a lot of pivots, a lot of, a lot of I need money

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kind of stuff.

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Yeah.

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But man, the feeling is super different, super different.

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In this next clip, Alex suggests that he's not plugging enough.

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And let me say he is plugging plenty, but he thinks that he's not plugging enough.

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But the reason might surprise you.

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Now folks, I didn't plug one time this hour and if we don't get financial support, we

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will shut down and part of me, maybe subconsciously, I don't plug it up to support us as I want

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to shut down.

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I've been really thinking about, is that why I don't plug it up to actually fund the operation?

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I need people to go to mportworxstore.com today.

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I need them to check out all the amazing products.

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We have turbo force.

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Great.

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The thing that you say, don't take because it's too extreme.

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Don't take turbo force.

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Good.

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But yeah, that's crazy.

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Subconsciously, I want to quit, so I don't plug enough.

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You're plugging all the fucking time.

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But it's interesting.

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It's an interesting angle because I think he's trying to guilt the audience a little

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bit.

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I think that's less an existential crisis and more like a, you got to make me be into

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this because everything is falling around me.

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Everything's falling apart.

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Yeah, it's kind of like subconsciously he's saying he subconsciously wants to quit because

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subconsciously he kind of wants to quit and subconsciously still further, he thinks he's

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already done.

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Well, he wants to quit talking about Trump all the time for sure, and I think that we

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felt that for quite a while.

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We felt like almost a fatalistic element of his performance over the last months.

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It's just like he doesn't seem to want to do it, and so if you take what he's saying

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there literally, it is kind of a, I don't want to do the show I've been doing, but I'm

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more than willing to do a show where I talk about vaccines for a fucking two hours because

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he, spoiler alert, he pivots the narrative at hour two but still talks about vaccines

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but in a different way.

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He'd be totally willing to do that.

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That would be exciting again.

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I bet he'd feel alive all over again.

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Maybe he could shave that stupid beard and really be alive.

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Again, really feel like he's fighting these fake enemies that he's got as opposed to just

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playing defense for a dick that doesn't probably even talk to him anymore.

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Oh, absolutely doesn't talk to him anymore.

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That is probably like a leftover feeling that he has from the last month.

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The idea of like, I don't want to do this show anymore.

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Maybe subconsciously I haven't been super into it because I wake up every morning and

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I've got a lie for the president.

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Yeah.

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And the president's friend.

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And I'm no Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

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I can't pull that shit off.

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I'm not getting paid that much.

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If he is listening to our show, then maybe he's just heard your intro to every present

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day episode we've done for the past three months where you're like, I didn't want to

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do this.

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This is really boring.

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I don't find the present day interesting at all.

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Many said earlier, you finally wore him down, Dan.

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Maybe when he said earlier, they're like, a lot of listeners want me to go back.

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Maybe he's just talking about me.

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Could be, could be.

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So the vaccines, you know, they're evil.

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And there's a plan in play, right?

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There's a plan.

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And you might think that the plan is just get you sick with these various things.

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They're going to shoot in you, but no, no, no.

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The plan that the globalist have is much deeper.

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And in this next clip, it's 40 seconds long.

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And Alex bats for the bigotry cycle.

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He hits every base.

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He hits them all.

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It's crazy.

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But don't worry.

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They'll have runs for life and runs for autism.

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And you know, you'll go run a 10 K and donate money.

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And then as they build giant autism centers all over the country and we just get used

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to half of our boys not being able to talk, that's the soft kill, but boys are bad.

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Boys start wars.

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So if you can't get them to cut their genitals off or can't get them to take hormone blockers,

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can't get them to wear a dress, you just, you just abort them or you kill them.

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Oh, he's rounding third.

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Come on.

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You know, they're doing it for the greater peace of earth and then bringing in all those

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great Muslims who know how to treat a girl.

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So you can see the vice grip, the take down on the West, the globalist military plan to

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destroy us.

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I don't think that I don't see the plan.

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I don't, I just see, wow.

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I just see buckshot bigotry there.

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Just throwing spaghetti at the wall.

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I actually could count the single, the double, the triple, and the whole run.

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That was a legit cycle.

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Yeah.

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Like he's like, oh, you're going to do a run for autism, but you don't really know.

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And that was just a base knock that he had.

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And it was, oh, cause all the immigrants coming to double.

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Oh shit.

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It's cause all the men don't want to get their genitals cut off.

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Transphobia, the triple.

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Get through the three and guess how we're going to bring it home.

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It's the Muslims.

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Got to replace the boys who can't talk anymore with those great Muslims.

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What the fuck, man?

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Put it on the board.

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Islam.

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I heard that clip and I was just sitting here like, wow, I get what he's trying to say,

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but it's so it's like, it's, it's legitimately so insane.

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Yeah, that is, that is a whirlwind.

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Now that, that's pretty insane.

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And it's, it's, it's, it's all over the place.

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His thoughts are tangential at best.

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But when he starts the second hour, after the first hour, I would say 85, 90% of that

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is fucking vaccine talk.

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And a lot of it's just boring anti-vax stuff.

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So we, you know, I brought out the parts that are, that are like interesting and we

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haven't covered before.

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Right.

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The other, you know, 10 to 15% is that I don't want to just talk about Trump anymore.

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The thing that made me so angry is whenever he opened up, it was like three clips ago,

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he opens up with, it's like, eh, it's not just about all these attenuated viruses and

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all that stuff because those have been shown to be efficable.

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And then he's just moves on and you're like, wait, wait, wait.

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We'll actually get back to that thought.

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What the fuck did you just say?

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He gets back to that thought in a little bit.

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And it was actually a really interesting place he's getting those ideas from.

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Okay.

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Um, and actually I think a lot of people don't fully understand, uh, some of that rhetoric.

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Um, and I apologize that I left you confused, but I, I did so because he's going to articulate

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it better later.

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Gotcha.

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Um, so that's most of the first hour, it's pretty much vaccines and a little bit of,

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I don't want to just be tied to these guys who are going to prison.

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I don't want to do that.

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I want to keep making money.

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So the second hour starts and I'm like, all right, we can't keep talking about vaccines,

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but he does because there's breaking news that he's found that involves the vaccines

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and the Mueller probe.

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What, whoa, where's the connection there?

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I'm interested.

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This very same people that have had their fingers controlling the investigations into

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Trump are in charge of the vaccines and see the ruling covers.

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It's all about how none of them take them.

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None guaranteed, guaranteed.

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Robert Mueller and Rod Rosenstein do not take vaccines.

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And believe me, those two star generals, they don't take them either.

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But you know what?

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Your son or daughter in the military does.

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You know what?

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They're gonna try to force your kid to cause they like to walk around and see your lower

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IQ and know all those cancer viruses have been implanted in you.

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That soft kill.

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And that's a rod.

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Rosenstein, when he walks into Congress, smiling like a little demon, he's like, have I stunned

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him enough?

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It's like a spider.

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Have I stunned my enemy enough for them to not be able to get me?

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He's like, you're all dead.

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That's why he's always smiling like that, looking side to side because he's like a snake

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slithering in gross.

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So Rod Rosenstein is somehow giving you vaccines.

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When I heard that at the beginning of the second hour, I was like, well, Alex is starting

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to cook with gas now.

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He's back.

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I would counter very quickly.

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If Alex went on vacation to, let's say, the Amazon or something along those lines, he

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would be taking them malaria pills for fuck's sake.

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Yeah.

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But do you understand, do you see what's going on, the subtle difference in that clip?

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As opposed to it being using his narratives that he has built up over the years to help

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defend Trump, he's using this investigation of Trump to inform and enforce his vaccine

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narrative.

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It's taking the path, it's the same street, but going the opposite direction down it,

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which is, I think, important.

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Well, he's not tying these deep state people trying to destroy Trump from the inside.

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He's going from this like, they're doing it not just to destroy Trump, but to destroy

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all of you.

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And who gives a shit if Trump gets destroyed because they're still there giving you all

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those vaccines.

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It's secondary now.

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Exactly.

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Whereas before it would be primary.

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Absolutely.

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And I know it's a fine point, but I think it's important when considered in the larger

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context of the things that he's saying and the slight but important variations of his

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narratives and language.

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For sure.

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I think it's something that'd be very easy to miss if you didn't spend all of your time

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studying Alex Jones, which I accept and understand is my bad.

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Or listening to our show.

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So I heard that and I was like, hey man, okay, Rod Rosenstein, right?

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He's he's doing this to us.

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He's doing the vaccines.

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That's wild.

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But I still didn't have any specifics.

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I didn't understand what Alex was talking about.

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Doesn't that kind of suggest, though, that Sessions was doing it first since Rod Rosenstein.

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No, it's always the deputy.

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No, but Rod Rosenstein was the deputy attorney general while the Mueller probe was set up.

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Alex turned on Sessions long ago.

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Oh, okay.

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So Sessions, so let's toss Sessions in there too.

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Sessions is at best senile and at worst evil.

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Like Alex hated Sessions.

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Okay, then we're good.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Alex, Sessions was the first guy that Alex loved in the Trump administration because

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he liked Sessions before Trump.

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And then he recused himself.

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And that's why he...

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Well, not even then, Alex was still a little bit on the fence about him.

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But then as time went on, Roger convinced him that Sessions was evil.

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And so he turned on this senator that he loved.

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He loved Jeff Sessions in the 2014, 2015 time.

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Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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So it's interesting.

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All the betrayals, all of the cutting people loose that's happened in Alex's life because

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of Roger Stone, it's now so interesting to look at.

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I know that I've already brought up all those names, but like the ashes that are left of

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Alex's team, it's crazy.

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It's kind of ironic that he's pulling a midnight massacre whilst the guy who worked and loved

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Nixon is going to prison.

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It's weird.

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So I didn't know what he was talking about about Rosenstein because I have no idea what

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connection he has to vaccines, quite frankly.

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I think he's just the deputy attorney general.

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I bet he was vaccinated though.

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Probably.

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I would bet you anything.

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He got his vaccines growing up.

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So in this next clip, Alex spells it out for me.

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And man, this is weak.

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Let me give you the big picture here, ladies and gentlemen.

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Guess who sits over the vaccine damage court?

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The secret court.

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It's not secret.

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There's a secret court?

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It's not secret.

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How does he know about it?

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It's secret.

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And who doesn't?

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Once they get you into their secret court so that you don't go file lawsuits in other

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courts.

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Isn't that called arbitration?

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Because you can have liability protection unless it's being done fraudulently and then

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the liability protection and the sovereign immunity is stripped.

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So the sovereign immunity of the US government is saying, we're going to make you go to a

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secret court that you've got to go through for years.

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And then we decide once you've waived your rights, if you're going to be paid any damages,

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guess who is behind it?

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Guess who is behind it?

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Mueller?

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Colonel Don De Grand Prix.

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Oh, God damn it.

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Is he alive?

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No, he's dead.

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Damn it.

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Well, you're doing great work.

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Rod Rosenstein's sister runs vaccines for children's program at the CDC.

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Does DC Swamp connection ever?

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So, yeah, look, smoking gun, Dan.

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Alex is playing super fast and loose here trying to present the idea that Rod Rosenstein's

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sister, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, that's probably, it's probably Messonnier or something like

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that, but it appears to be France.

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You had a fun time saying that.

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Messonnier, that she's in charge of or has anything to do with these vaccine courts.

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Alex is trying to present that image.

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She does not.

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In that clip we just heard, Alex is just reading a tweet posted by Wayne Allen Root, which

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links to a CDC website about the vaccines for children program, which is a part of the

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CDC's mission to provide free vaccines for children in low income families.

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This page in no way proves that Rosenstein's sister is in charge of this program, although

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maybe she is involved, it's entirely possible.

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But, however, it's important to point out that the vaccines for children program has

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literally nothing to do with the vaccine court.

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Also, fun fact, Wayne Allen Root is a con man who wrote a book in 1989 about how to

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make money betting on sports and followed it up with books in 2004 and 2008 about how

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to win money and all sorts of gambling.

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After Obama was elected, he took his grift to the political world and started writing

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about how Obama wasn't a citizen, didn't go to Columbia, and was a secret Marxist Muslim.

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He's since endorsed every horseshit conspiracy from the Seth Rich bullshit to the Nazis at

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Charlottesville being paid actors and all that stuff.

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He also recently claimed that Mueller's investigation into Trump is only happening because Mueller

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has a small dick and he's jealous of Trump's very large dick.

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Suffice it to say, Root is a fucking idiot.

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And Alex is just reading a tweet. I didn't know more about Trump's dick than

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I do. I would prefer that.

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I don't want to know anything about Mueller's dick either.

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Right. Let's let it go.

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So what Alex is reading off of here in his whole information is this Wayne Allen Root

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tweet that links to the CDC page for the vaccines for children program, which isn't the vaccine

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court issue at all.

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He doesn't have a story about this.

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He doesn't have any reporting.

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And it's word for word.

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He's literally reading this tweet.

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Yeah.

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It's nothing.

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It's a zero.

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So Dr. Messonnier is the director for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory

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Diseases, which is a branch of the Centers for Disease Control.

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In her time there, she's provided support and leadership towards a lot of initiatives

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to take care of preventable diseases in the third world, and has recently been on the

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forefront of working on the rising incidence of acute flaccid myelitis, or ATF, the condition

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that's similar to polio but isn't polio that Alex claims with no evidence is secretly polio

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and is being given to you by vaccines.

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Of course.

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The vaccine court that Alex is talking about, or the National Vaccine Injury Compensation

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Program, was created under the umbrella of the Department of Health and Human Services,

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the same department that contains the CDC but isn't run by the CDC.

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Government departments are often pretty rangy in terms of their operations.

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And just because two things are in the same department and both have to do with vaccines

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doesn't mean they're run by the same people.

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I can find zero evidence that Dr. Messonnier's involvement in the vaccine court is real.

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And even if she were involved, I can find zero reason to care.

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As we've discussed already, the vaccine courts were not established to be a secret way to

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sweep dangers of vaccines under the rug and hide them from public scrutiny.

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They were set up to be better equipped to help the subset of people who do unfortunately

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suffer from the potential side effects of very important medicines.

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They did this, they made it simpler for them to get payments for these side effects that

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they suffer from because these families did deserve some consideration and payout, but

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they'd never be able to get them in a real courtroom.

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It would just be impossible.

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Absolutely not.

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To a certain extent, side effects are inevitable in pretty much every medication imaginable.

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Human biology is infinitely complex, so the prospect of ever releasing a perfectly safe,

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no-risk medicine is impossible.

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A study in 2017 showed that taking an aspirin daily was linked to more than 3,000 deaths

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a year, mostly due to the blood thinning side effect.

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This is the case for a whole bunch of medications, but they serve important purposes in the case

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of aspirin dramatically reducing the risk of heart attack in older people.

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So the goal is to mitigate the risk of the side effect while preserving the benefit of

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the main purpose of the medication.

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This is how sane people look at vaccines.

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No one is saying that they're completely safe, just that the incidence of side effects are

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not commensurate with the benefit of us not having to deal with extinction level threats

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from preventable diseases anymore.

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It's the greater good argument.

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It's not even just the greater good argument.

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I mean, it is utilitarian to some extent, but it's not a hard choice even.

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No, no, no, no.

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It's not a 5-4 decision like the Supreme Court.

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It's a 98-2 decision.

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And not just that, but the very fact that the vaccine court exists in the first place

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is evidence that people give a shit.

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Yep.

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You know, like again, this would never actually win in a court.

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The burden of proof would be way too high.

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It would be insanely high.

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That's the reason they created it.

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So they realized it's inevitable that of course this is going to happen.

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These people do deserve some sort of compensation for it.

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So there's either we can completely abandon them to the court system where they will get

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nothing, or we can discontinue these drugs, which will lead to infinitely more problems,

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or we could create a special thing where it's like, we get it.

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It sucks.

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I hate that it happened to you.

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I hate that some people get struck by lightning, but we're here to help in some way.

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Yep.

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That's what we want to do.

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The vaccine court was set up knowing damn well that the people who bring cases to it

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would never be able to prove that the vaccine in question definitively caused their child's

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illness or death.

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So they've adjusted the standard of evidence required to successfully petition your case.

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All the people who bring cases to the vaccine court, all they're required to do is present

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a theory connecting the vaccine to the consequence, show an appropriate or an approximate timeline

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that links the two, and show that there's not another plausible biological reason the

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injury or death happened.

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It's a very low standard of proof, and it's intentionally that way because they want to

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support the people who experience any possible side effects without forcing them to actually

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prove any scientific causation, which they could never do.

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The only other important thing here to point out is that even in this court where the burden

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of proof is super low, they don't generally accept cases where petitioners claim that

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vaccines caused autism in their children and have ruled that the theory that makes a causal

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connection between vaccines and autism is not proven and not appropriate in their courts.

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Even in this world designed to provide relief to people who have been hurt by vaccines,

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the argument Alex puts forth doesn't meet their burden of proof, the easy burden of

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proof.

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And Rod Rosenstein's sister has nothing to do with that court.

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The court is overseen by nine members of the Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines.

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Three of those members are from the general public, with the requirement that two be legal

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parents or guardians of children who have been affected by vaccine side effects.

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Three of the other members-

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Holy shit, that's brilliant!

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Three of the other members must be attorneys with relevant specialties for the court.

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You know, they have to have experience in medical cases.

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You definitely can't be Alex Jones' attorney.

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The last three are health professionals appointed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services

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who are specifically required not to be previous to being on this advisory board,

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employees of the US government.

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A requirement that Dr. Messonnier definitely would fail to achieve.

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Because she works for the CDC!

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Yeah, that's right.

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And the CDC is part of the govern-

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Oh, I get it, Dan.

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She couldn't be on this board.

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She literally could not have anything to do with this.

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Nope.

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These are the only voting members of the committee that oversees the vaccine courts,

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but the Director of the National Institutes of Health, the Assistant Secretary of Health

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and Human Services, the Director of the CDC, and the Commissioner of the FDA are non-voting

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observational members of the committee. They can't affect what happens,

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but they can be a part of like the discussion and stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Dr. Messonnier is none of those things.

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Alex is profoundly lazy, super dumb,

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and reporting this based entirely on a tweet from Wayne Allen Root.

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Who gives a shit?

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It is a fun coincidence for him, though.

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It's super nice-

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But it's not even a coincidence!

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No, no, no, no.

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I mean, I mean, just the fact that anybody-

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Words be true, crazy coincidence.

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Oh, no, no. Crazy coincidence.

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It's crazy coincidence. I just mean the fact that anybody, like Rod Rosenstein's sister,

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works in the CDC.

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Right.

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That works great for him. It doesn't matter if it has any material effect. It's just like-

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But he's got a-

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She could be a paralegal or something like that, you know? It's always possible that-

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But he has to shoot the moon by saying she's in charge of the courts.

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She owns a grocery store, you know? Like, it could be anything.

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Yeah.

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But she's there in the CDC. That works perfect.

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But I honestly think that the reason he's going too far with this and swinging a little too hard

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is he's not used to this. He's getting back into the-

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Yeah, that's true.

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Like, working his narratives, working that muscle.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Connecting A to B to C and all that stuff. Like, he doesn't do that much anymore.

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It's all Trump shit.

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He's been writing for a TV show for a year, but he hasn't gotten any stage time. It's gonna take

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a while to get back into that company swing.

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He's rusty.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's slow.

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Also, fun fact, if you fit any of the qualifications, like if you're a lawyer who

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has like a medical experience, if you're a parent of somebody who the child has been

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affected by vaccines, or if you are a healthcare professional who doesn't work for the government,

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you can apply to be on the advisory commission. Like, you can. I found the application in two

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minutes. It's super easy. Commissioners serve three-year terms, so there might be a little

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bit of a wait, but it's super easy for you to do. And I do notice that the people who,

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you know, complained the most about vaccines never seem to talk about that,

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and I don't think that they're applying. But I think they'd probably be rejected based on

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their views.

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Yeah, yeah, of course. If you were all three, do you just get to be the court by yourself?

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Do you get to occupy-

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You count for three votes.

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Yeah, you count for three votes, right?

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Yep. So Alex is full of shit on this, but he talks about it some more,

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and then accuses Rosenstein, Mueller, and some other people of being spiders.

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So remember, Rod Rosenstein pays out billions of dollars via his sister of your money to people

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whose daughters died from Gardasil or got paralyzed. But then they get up on the news

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and have every news channel say there's no adverse reactions, it's a conspiracy theory.

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But no amount of big capped Mr. Ed teeth will ever stop Rosenstein from being someone that God

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is going to punish. Fingence belongs to the Lord. But now you understand the type of true

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bottom feeding spiders we're dealing with.

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These aren't even the spider leadership.

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They sneak around, they capture you in a web,

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they come in, they inject you, they liquefy you while you're tortured, then they suck you dry,

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and they sing a song to you while they do it.

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Like spiders.

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Yum yum time.

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It's yum yum time.

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It's yum yum time. I reject it. Look, anything from these people,

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anything from these people. I'm not a scientist, I'm not a specialist in this.

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And if there is a conversation to be had, I would love to have it with the scientist.

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But from any of these people, the moment they say the word Gardasil,

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all you are doing is being a misogynist piece of shit. That is what you are doing.

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It seems like that's a lot of the function of whenever they bring it up.

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That's it.

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But under the auspices and under the sort of the mask, the costume of concern for women.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, of course.

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I don't want women to fuck.

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That's what Gardasil complaints are.

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There's some of that in there.

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But you are not taking into account that when spiders eat you, they sing it's yum yum time.

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It is yum yum time though.

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I have always assumed that.

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That is an important piece of information that Alex is bringing to the table that we didn't know

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before.

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Did you research that?

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I did.

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Okay.

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And it's true.

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All spiders sing yum yum time.

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That would be the best.

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Like any time a scientist, a spider scientist starts talking about how there's that,

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oh, because of the rising flood levels, all of these spiders create a super web in this tree.

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And we've studied the frequency vibrations they make whenever they make a kill and start to eat.

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And it's yum yum time.

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I didn't know that, but it's physically proven.

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Here's what's great about this in the same way that we didn't understand that baby shark.

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We didn't realize that was a real thing.

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I'm guessing yum yum time is probably like another thing that people who have kids,

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because Alex has got a baby.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Some sort of thing that we just have no idea.

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It's like millions of views on YouTube, yum yum time.

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And I just think it's some stupid thing Alex is saying about spiders.

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I guarantee that's what's going on.

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Yum, yum, yum, yum, your time.

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He's just like had to watch the kid a couple of days ago.

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Yum, yum time on the mind.

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Anyway, his ex, Alex doubles down, says that Rosenstein doesn't take vaccines.

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He's sure of it.

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And then we get to that issue that I told you to put a pin in.

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Right.

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And I bet you all the tea in India.

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I bet you all the cows in Texas.

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I bet you all the fish in the sea.

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Which sea?

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That Mr. Rosenstein and his sister don't take any vaccines.

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Remember the headlines a few years ago?

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German elite take clean vaccines.

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Chinese communist leaders take clean vaccines.

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Oh, vaccines can be real.

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You can get immunity from them.

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They can be good.

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But see, they're putting other things in them.

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They've been caught doing it.

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We've gone from one 36, 37 years ago person in 30,000 having autism

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to one in 58.

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So hold on to some of these ideas because we'll get to them.

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But really keep in mind that he said a couple of years ago there were articles about clean

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vaccines.

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Why is that important?

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Because there's no such thing as a quote clean vaccine.

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That's not something that exists.

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It's not a thing.

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The idea that such a thing exists has been pushed for one explicit reason.

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To imply that other vaccines are dirty and intentionally dirty.

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The concept of a clean vaccine was heavily promoted by bot armies traced to Russian operations,

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according to Reuters, citing a tweet that read, quote, apparently only the elite get

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clean vaccines.

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And what do we normal people get?

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The accounts posting both pro and anti-vax messages, such as those talking about clean

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vaccines, designed to agitate people on both sides of the issue, were run by individuals

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at the Internet Research Agency, which was indicted by Mueller's investigation in February

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2018.

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These messages that they were putting out from these bot accounts in order to agitate

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people on both sides of the vaccine, quote, unquote, debate, right, were during they were

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during the time frame that Alex is talking about when do you remember when they were

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talking about clean vaccines?

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It's almost certain that it was a result of this bot influence.

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Yeah, like it because clean vaccines aren't real.

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So an article about vaccines from the Vaccine Reaction Blog, they had a blog post about

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Mark Zuckerberg getting his kids vaccinated in February 2016, provoked this response from

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a commenter, quote, what did happen to Paul Walker?

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The Darknet says he found out about critical information about the differences between

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dirty and clean vaccine.

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Hold on, what?

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It's going to blow the whistle and was immediately removed from the picture.

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Wait, was he too fast, too vaccinated?

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Yes.

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So this guy is bringing up dark web stuff and clean vaccines being removed.

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Clean vaccines being responsible for Paul Walker's death.

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So you get this.

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These are the places that that term sort of pops up on the Internet, whether it's through,

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you know, Internet Research Agency sock puppet accounts or weirdos talking about Paul

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Walker's conspiracy.

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That really emotionally affected by Paul Walker's death.

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And I'm also an anti-vaxxer, really an anti-vaxxer.

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How do I combine these two?

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Haha.

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Dark web.

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One of the intrinsic issues we're going to run into here is that Alex intentionally doesn't

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ever really say what he thinks a clean vaccine actually is.

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And it can mean a whole bunch of different things, depending on who you ask.

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The term clean vaccine was used in 2011 to describe a vaccine that was being studied

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by researchers at the Biodesign Institute at Arizona State University.

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They use that term not to differentiate it from other unclean vaccines, but because they

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were attempting a new procedure to create this vaccine.

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They're trying to use salmonella as a, quote, cargo ship to deliver the vaccine to the entirety

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of a person's immune system, said salmonella stimulates a response from the entire body.

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Different different systems that other cargo ships wouldn't stimulate.

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Those people are fucking smart.

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Why does anybody listen to anti-vaxxers?

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Because it's complicated.

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They were just.

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Do you hear what you just said?

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I do.

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That's brilliant.

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That's genius.

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Like, let's take this thing that's been killing everybody.

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We know how it kills.

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And what if we neutered it and put a vaccine in there?

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That's genius.

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And you're listening to Jenny fucking McCarthy.

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That's exactly right.

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It was referred to in an article about this research as a clean vaccine because they had

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to clean or detoxify the salmonella that's being used in order to achieve the desired

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results.

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So genius.

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I'm not sure where this research ended up or even if it made it through the further

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testing phases, but it's irrelevant because it's the exact opposite of what Alex is trying

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to present is what a clean vaccine means.

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He's specifically using the term in a way that really only lines up with the idea pushed

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and promoted by these Russian troll farms, which is probably a sign that Alex doesn't

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do very deep research into the things he believes.

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A lot of these fears trace back to the 1800s when vaccines were new and people were rightfully

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concerned about them because science hadn't evolved past the level of the late 1800s.

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Paid advertisements, lombasted vaccines in the newspaper, such as this ad from Nebraska's

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publication, The Commoner from 1919.

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Quote, What profit if your baby is if the God made blood is periodically tainted with

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pasta vaccine?

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These concerns were legitimate in the late 1800s and early 1900s because many vaccines

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back then were unsafe and regulating their production was nearly impossible.

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So there were way more instances of contamination.

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Taking that mentality from about half the vaccine was like, let's grab some cowpox and

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put it in a hand and then slap it on you.

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But still worked better than a lot of other things.

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But taking that mentality from about 100 years ago and thinking that you're in the same

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circumstances now is really fucking stupid.

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A 2014 study published by the Yale Journal of Biology and Medicine reviewed articles

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and ads about vaccination and papers from 1915 to 1922 in an attempt to understand the

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phenomenon of vaccine skepticism.

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Whereas many people believe that the discredited and retracted Wakefield study that linked

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vaccinations and autism, they believe that that's been responsible for igniting the passions

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of well-meaning but misguided parents and led them into this new movement against vaccines.

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The reality is quite different.

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The rhetoric and concerns of the anti-vax crowd in our modern society almost entirely

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mirrors the concerns expressed by their predecessors in the early 1900s.

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That's because we've evolved so much since then.

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Sure.

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The difference is that back then vaccines were a new idea and everybody intuitively

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thought it was dumb to give someone a disease to stop them from getting the same disease.

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Right, of course.

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The authors of that study traced down the big commonalities that characterized vaccine

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skepticism over the course of the last 100 years and found that in both time periods,

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in 1915 to 1922 and in the modern time, it boiled down to rhetoric about contamination,

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distrust, compulsion, the idea of being forced to take a vaccine, and locality, the idea

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that vaccine skepticism tends to occur in pockets geographically.

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All of the ideas that had some merit in the early days of vaccines do not anymore.

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And it's fascinating and sad to realize that what motivates anti-vaccination rhetoric

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and movements in the present day is legitimately just ignorance of the fact that we haven't

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stayed the same over the last 100 years.

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You know, and that reminds me so much of the way that people treat any kind of climate

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science now.

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They're like, oh, so they say that all of this high percentage of scientists agree that

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climate change is happening.

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But you know what?

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Back in the 1500s, all the scientists agreed that the Earth was flat or blah, blah, blah.

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Like the new head of the EPA is a fucking moron.

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But that is discounting the fact that our science is also built on the back of that.

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Like everything has been built on the back of that.

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The reason that the consensus has changed is because we're still aware of that.

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Like yes, medical science 150 years ago was less based upon a good consensus because there

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was no general standardized research level.

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There was no general standardized idea of how it is that things are supposed to go.

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And as time has moved on, more and more sophisticated things have made a consensus almost

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unassailable as opposed to being something that should be suspect.

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But again, almost unassailable is also a part of science.

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It's also part of science.

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Right.

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So I mean, 100 percent that is like it's.

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But if you read this study in this research paper, it's so depressing to see like that

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because you like to imagine that it is all just a movement that's popped up because of

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this discredited autism study.

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Of course.

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That linked vaccinations and shit.

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And it's not it's not it's something that's been going on since vaccinations came around.

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And it's just it's just a intuitive ignorance that people reinforce with bad, bad science

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and terrible arguments.

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And we see the same thing.

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It's just refusal.

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It's the protocols of the elders of Zion.

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It's those same narratives popping up over and over and over again with different enemies.

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Yeah.

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Now, Alex isn't wrong about the idea that diagnoses of children on the autism spectrum

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have gone up considerably in the past years.

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I would guess he's fudging the numbers a little bit, but I don't really care about that necessarily

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because what's behind his numbers is far more important.

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And that's the misuse of statistics.

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He's arguing that an increase in the number of autism spectrum diagnoses means that more

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people are on the autism spectrum.

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But he has literally nothing to prove that other than claim that vaccinations are to

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blame.

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The problem is he can't prove that and no one has.

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Despite a loud chorus of denialists, the evidence is pretty well settled that vaccines have

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no causal link to the onset of ASD.

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It's just not, no one's proved that.

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There's a simple explanation for why the rate is going up.

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And Dr. Max Witznitzer, a pediatric neurologist, lays it out very clearly.

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Quote, we're getting better at identifying under identified populations.

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So it's not as if the numbers are rising.

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It's more that everyone is getting, everyone is going to the number that it should be.

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One of the things that experts will tell you is that ASD diagnoses are quite,

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until quite recently, were overwhelmingly white children.

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This was something that puzzled doctors.

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So they studied the demographic patterns and found that, quote, ASD prevalence tends to

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be higher among residents of neighborhoods where higher socioeconomic status is there.

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These residents are more likely to have access to quality health care.

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Yeah, there you go.

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The access to quality health care is a large piece of this, as is the racist way some diagnoses

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can be made.

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Behavior that might be treated as a medical condition in a white child until fairly recently

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would often be deemed delinquency if the same behavior manifested being done by a black

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child.

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Greater awareness of these invisible biases, as well as attempts to provide quality health

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care for larger numbers of people, has naturally led to better diagnostic processes.

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And along the way, that has led to a jump in the number of diagnoses, but not necessarily

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a jump of the actual people who exist on that spectrum.

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Exactly.

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Like it's what it's saying is, yes.

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So now you say it was one in 400 and now it's like one in 58.

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Well, back then it was one in 58 white kids.

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And that's not even perfect.

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And it was one in 58 black kids were just being bad all the time.

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Right.

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Like, yes, of course.

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Yep.

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I mean, a lot of that is what is behind the shifting numbers or the perceived increase.

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And if you actually read from doctors who have studied this and know what they're talking

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about, it's pretty easy to explain the statistical jump.

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And it's not because globalists are poisoning vaccines.

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Well, I mean, you talk about the underdiagnosis of autism in women and you go back so long

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and it's just like, well, women are just different.

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Like that was always the diagnosis for so long.

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It was like, why is it that autism is only diagnosed in male children for forever?

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And it's because you're being fucking misogynistic.

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Like at the end of the day, you're unwilling to contend with the idea that women are equal.

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There were institutional problems.

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You know, until fairly recently, we weren't making the right kind of progress on those

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things.

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Exactly.

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But all of this is to say that Alex is jumping headlong back into like trying to be earlier

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Alex Jones.

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It's fascinating.

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And when I heard him say this, it made me even more convinced.

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He's rusty, but trying to be himself again.

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So they got hundreds of vaccines that aren't even vaccines that they want to put in your

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body.

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And they're just seeing how many people they can kill in Maine before you do anything,

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because they know you'll statistically give in to them.

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You'll statistically adapt to everybody dying around you.

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And it's accepted.

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This is the mass calling.

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It's going on right now, ladies and gentlemen, you've been targeted.

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Diet, injections and injunctions will make a rebellion of the proletariat like a rebellion

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of sheep against the practice of eating mutton.

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Mutton the sheep.

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That's Bertrand Russell.

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You got one of the main architects of this.

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I'm gonna say it again.

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Bertrand Russell.

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Diet, injections and injunctions.

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Bertrand Russell.

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Globalist.

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Giving you bad food, giving you injections.

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Flora IQ and injunctions.

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The courts.

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Diet, injections and injunctions will make a rebellion by the proletariat as impossible

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as that of sheep against the practice of eating mutton.

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This is old school Alex shit, man.

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This isn't a fair quote Alex is using here.

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Alex is just taking the beginning of one sentence and attaching it to the end of a different

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sentence in an effort to paraphrase Bertrand Russell's passage from his book, The Impact

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of Science on Society to Serve His Purposes.

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The full quote is, quote, gradually by selective breeding, the congenital differences between

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rulers and the ruled will increase until they become almost different species.

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The revolt of plebes would become as unthinkable as the organized insurrection of sheep against

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the practice of eating mutton.

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This has nothing to do with diets, injections and injunctions.

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Those words are found two paragraphs earlier.

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Alex could have just used the earlier sentence, but he wanted that sheep and mutton thing

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in there, since it's the only part of the quote he actually remembers.

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He could have just used the later sentence, but it didn't include the word injections

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and injunctions, which is really what he wants to talk about here with his vaccination shit.

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Thus, he had to combine the two, which is a little bit dishonest.

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All this doesn't matter, though, since he's completely twisting Bertrand Russell's words

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to a point where this should constitute slander.

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As we discussed when Alex brought up this passage in Endgame, this book is based on

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lectures that Bertrand Russell gave in the early 1950s, and the chapter Alex is pulling

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quotes from is a discussion of the horrors that could have befallen the world had the

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Nazis won World War II, or if some similarly evil government were to operate on a purely

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scientific basis with no regard for citizens' individual rights.

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This is explicitly something he does not want to see come to pass.

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The context is very, very clear if you actually read the book.

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We already covered this in depth, and so there's no real utility in doing it again past just

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reminding people of that, but I made a point of drawing attention to this because it's

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one of so many signs on this episode, the old Alex is waking up from his Trump coma.

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This is him trying to bring Endgame shit back.

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Like, it's more real than in other ways.

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It's more real than he's done in other 2018, 2019 episodes that we've looked at where there's

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like a flicker of something from the past or whatever.

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This is so much like, I want to go home.

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I want to go back.

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This is the Tin Man screaming oil can.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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It's awesome.

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Oh, also, by the way, you are a little bit off.

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Bertrand Russell was 100% a globalist.

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Oh, no, no.

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I know.

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Oh, okay.

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Jesus.

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I thought you were trying to insinuate that he wasn't.

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No, no, no.

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One of the end conclusions of that book, the impact of science on society is like, well,

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we can probably pull things off if there's a world government that's benevolent.

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But we're not talking about globalist in like, yes, Bertrand Russell was absolutely a globalist.

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He was not a globalist with scare quotes on it.

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That's my point.

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He wasn't a capital G globalist.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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So I'm seeing all this stuff.

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He was just brilliant.

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I'm seeing all this stuff.

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I'm seeing meat on the table to eat.

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I'm seeing this.

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It's kind of fun.

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Also, we're seeing these indications that Alex is kind of sick of Roger and Trump and wants

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to put him aside.

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Then Alex says this.

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He's trying to make more arguments about vaccines being bad.

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And man, we could have done a six hour episode just going over all the like sort of run of

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the mill anti-vax arguments, but I don't think there's much use in that.

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I would much rather talk about things like this that are shining examples of how fucking

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stupid Alex Jones is and how badly he makes these arguments.

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And they tell him, well, there are some side effects, but for the greater good, civilization's

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been built by this.

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Civilization's been built by this, no.

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He's talking about like doctors who are told that they should support vaccines.

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Right, doctors with borders.

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Right.

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No, vaccines had nothing to do with it.

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It was all running water and sanitation and washing of clothes and screen doors.

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You look at the numbers all over the industrialized world.

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When industrialization happens, that's when the disease stops spreading.

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Vaccines become ubiquitous by the 60s.

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Some of those diseases go back up.

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They got rid of their screen doors.

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Australia, the U.S. are working.

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Become industrialized, you're running water, sanitation.

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Disease goes like this, infectious disease.

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Then vaccines come back, it starts going back up.

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Most of the stuff you get today is from illegal aliens or vaccines actually giving it to you.

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Look it up for yourself, okay?

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I'm done.

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Okay, I looked it up.

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Holy shit!

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Alex is swinging for the fences with this one.

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I can kind of see the argument he's trying to make here, and it may sound kind of good,

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sort of, but it's terrible.

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Sure, screen doors made it so mosquitoes couldn't fly into your house and give you

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malaria or dengue fever.

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Problem is, the screen door wasn't invented until 1887,

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which is a bit after the industrial revolution.

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It took us a long time to get to the screen door.

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Yeah.

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That's a pretty big indictment.

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Some window screens were created before this,

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but they weren't immediately widely available for consumer use.

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Hand washing is hugely important in terms of health,

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but the timeline doesn't work out there either.

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Ignatz Schimelweiss-

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I was about to bring up Ignatz Schimelweiss!

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Yep.

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He got-

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Fuck!

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He formulated some of the theories about hand washing in 1846,

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and Florence Nightingale and Oliver Wendell Holmes did also a few years later,

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but their ideas were not popular,

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mostly because doctors felt like they were being blamed for contaminating patients,

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and at that time they believed that water itself was the source of infections and diseases,

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along with foul odors called miasmodes.

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It wasn't until Louis Pasteur performed some formal experiments in the mid-1860s

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that people began to take germ theory a little bit more seriously.

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The CDC didn't even exist until 1946,

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and according to a retrospective published by the World Health Organization,

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in the United States,

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actual hand hygiene guidelines weren't even published or enforced until 1981.

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Prior to that point,

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most of the public discussion about hand washing being sanitary was done in soap advertisements,

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not because they thought it would protect customers,

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but because they thought it was a fear-based way that they could move more product.

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Man, Ignatz Schimelweiss is one of the most tragic figures-

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Yeah, he came up with a really good idea.

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And not just that, but in the medical community,

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he was one of the first guys to really start applying double-blind studies

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and actually treat things scientifically.

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One of the big things that he did was just like,

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guys, we're going directly from an autopsy to a child birthing center.

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All of our midwives are not killing these pregnant women,

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and all of our doctors are killing these pregnant women.

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Let's think about this.

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And then later he died of sepsis,

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the very disease that he was fighting against so hard.

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Tragic irony.

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It's so ironic.

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I'm so sad for him.

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Poor guy.

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Yeah, let's give him a medal.

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Shout out, Schimelweiss.

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Generally speaking, the Industrial Revolution is considered to be the period between 1760 and 1840,

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and it was a period of rampant disease and death.

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One of the reasons for this was that urbanization outpaced advances in sanitation,

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and outbreaks of things like cholera were super common.

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Because of how easy it was for water to be contaminated in these newly urban areas,

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and how people were living in far greater density than they were before,

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communicable diseases went absolutely nuts.

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It's estimated that tuberculosis killed one third of everyone who died in the United Kingdom

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between 1800 and 1850,

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because of the conditions brought on by the Industrial Revolution.

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Serious researchers and historians are pretty uniformly behind the idea

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that industrialization had been a driver towards diminished health conditions.

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One of the things that most devastated newly urbanized areas

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during the Industrial Revolution was smallpox.

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It was so contagious and had a history of completely destroying worlds.

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Spanish and Portuguese explorers introduced it to the new world,

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and that pretty much spelled death for the Aztecs and the Inca.

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It's a seriously fucked up dangerous disease.

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It's said that in the 18th century, 400,000 people died from it every year in Europe,

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and the fatality rate for children who contacted it was reported at between 80 and 98 percent,

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depending on what country in Europe they got it in.

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That's a bummer.

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That's a lot.

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That's a bummer.

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Everyone knew that once you got smallpox and survived, you couldn't get it again.

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People knew that going back to approximately 430 BCE,

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but no one really knew how to treat it.

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In the early 1600s, a Dr. Sneidham advocated patients,

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quote, allow no fire in the room, leave windows permanently open,

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draw the bedclothes no higher than the patient's waste,

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and administer 12 bottles of small beer every 24 hours.

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That sounds very Pliny the Eldery.

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Yeah.

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Don't pull up your pants.

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Yeah.

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Open the window and get drunk.

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This didn't work.

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How could you trust a man with Sneid in his name?

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Yeah. That's just not possible.

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In 1796, a doctor named Edward Jenner decided to start experimenting with

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seeing if he could figure out how to prevent smallpox.

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Biology had always been of interest to him, and when he was younger,

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he'd known some milkmaids who believed that because they'd come down with less severe cowpox,

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that they would never get smallpox.

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This chance interaction that he had when he was younger sparked an idea in his mind,

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and he began experimenting with cowpox.

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This would eventually lead to him inventing vaccination,

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which he named after cowpox as the Latin word for cow is vodka.

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Yeah, yeah.

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In 1798, he published his findings, which were literally a prevention for cowpox,

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but the medical community was not fast to get on board.

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In 1799, however, Jenner conducted a study to determine if having survived cowpox and

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developing an immunity for cowpox had an impact on immunity to smallpox.

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He proved his hypothesis, and thus, his cowpox vaccine was now, in effect, a smallpox vaccine

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as well. The work was far from done. For instance, at the time, they had no way of knowing how long

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a vaccine would protect someone for, so refinements had to be made along the way,

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but Jenner was responsible for a huge step in medical progress

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that saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

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The last naturally occurring case of smallpox was recorded in Somalia in 1977,

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and that would not have been possible without Edward Jenner and his cowpox vaccine.

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Alex didn't talk a lot of shit about screen doors all he fucking wants,

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but he isn't saying anything.

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If you look at just the case of measles, according to peer-reviewed studies published

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in the Journal of the American Medical Association,

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the measles vaccine was not licensed in the United States until 1964.

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Prior to that point, the incidence of measles was 300 cases per 100,000.

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After introducing the vaccine, by 1982, the rate fell to 1.3 cases per 100,000.

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You see this trend very clearly as it relates to other vaccine-preventable conditions.

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The science is very clear.

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Now, when you want to talk about the idea that you introduce the vaccine and rates can also go up,

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that's a part of the science, too, because as we discuss here in this path through Edward Jenner

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and his smallpox vaccine, as you're creating this, you don't know if it's going to be a permanent

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immunization or if it's going to wear off and you have to get a booster shot down the road.

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How could you?

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You wouldn't know unless you could.

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Or there are instances where some gets contaminated or something like that,

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and then you trigger an outbreak, and that's not the vaccine's fault.

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That's the process's fault.

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There's ways that you can twist statistics all you want,

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but when you really get down to the bottom of it,

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hand-washing is not responsible for that, although it does help.

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Although it does help, timelines off, screen doors helps, not getting malaria and dengue fever.

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Does help.

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But the timeline's off.

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And sure, running water is cool, too.

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The Industrial Revolution is literally the worst thing that you could use as an argument for

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that bringing down disease.

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Yeah.

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The idea that Alex is suggesting that, it just baffles me.

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But this is the same kind of confusion that I get from 2009, Alex.

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You're so excited!

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Somewhat, but that's the kind of thing that you expect to hear from them back then,

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like, what the fuck are you talking about?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That would just be like, Trump wants to stop all of it.

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All this stuff that I'm complaining about,

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not like the Industrial Revolution solved everything.

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They would be like, hey, vaccines are giving you X, Y, and Z.

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They're going to turn your kid to a mute,

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and Trump is going to give you the restorative cures that all the globalists have been hiding.

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That's what it would have been before.

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Now he's the Industrial Revolution!

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It never fails to fascinate me how the trend of history winds up going,

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where it's constantly like, oh, we solved this problem.

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When you're talking about the Great Depression,

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when you talk about how they increased the marginal tax rates,

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and they broke down so much of income inequality,

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and that led to a period of sustained growth,

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and then they forgot why the Great Depression happened.

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The generation that lived through it died,

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and they forgot the lesson.

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And so they went right back to all the same shit that,

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in the same way, vaccines,

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when you talk about getting rid of smallpox,

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the last recorded case of smallpox,

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naturally occurring,

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the last recorded naturally occurring case happened 50 years ago,

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or 40 years ago.

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40 years ago.

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And then we forgot that the only reason

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that hundreds of thousands of people aren't dying every year

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is because of vaccines.

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So these anti-vax people come up because they're like,

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see, we never had eight of our 12 children die of smallpox.

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Right.

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But then in order to refine the argument,

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once you realize, oh, that is the reality,

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you then have to attack vaccines as having something in them that's bad,

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which is where you create the clean vaccine idea,

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which is nonsense.

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And we go back to that,

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if you're prepared for a problem,

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that's because you're going to cause the problem.

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And if the problem happens,

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it's because you weren't prepared for it,

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and it's always your fault.

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And we need another industrial revolution.

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I have you coming and going.

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Yeah.

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So that's interesting.

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I enjoy all this.

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It's a lot of fun,

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but it's not nearly as fun as this next ad read that Alex is doing.

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Oh, we're doing an ad read?

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I would say that there is a trend happening where Alex's ad reads,

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the first one we heard earlier was a little passive aggressive.

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Now they're turning into direct threats.

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Listen, I've gotten to the point where I'm so focused on news information

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that you've noticed I'm not plugging app as much as I used to.

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And if I don't plug, we're not going to have a show.

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But you know what?

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That's just the way it is.

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I mean, I'm not going to say it's up to you,

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but if people don't know how great our products are

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and how amazing they are, how much you need them,

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and if folks don't want to pile in there and get them,

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that's the signal to me that you want George Soros and Hillary Clinton

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and all them to have full control and Rod Rosenstein's sister

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running the vaccine propaganda bureau and the secret payouts to dead kids.

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You know, she's going to have her way with your kids.

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Rod Rosenstein's dirt bag, bucktooth demon sister.

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So, you know, that's what it comes down to.

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If you want these bucktooth pieces of crap to have their way with you, then go ahead.

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Because we've got the very best products.

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Everyone needs our X3.

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That's a threat.

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If you don't donate to knowledge fight, if you don't go to our website

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and click the support the show button, I will tell you what's going to happen right now.

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That tells me that tells me that you want Alex Jones to win.

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If you don't tell your friends about knowledge fight,

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that tells me that you want people to like Alex Jones.

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That's the truth.

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So gross, man.

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It's just it's just weird gross, too.

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You know, it's a threat that's threatening.

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Yeah.

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It's if you don't give me enough money to my satisfaction, whatever that might be,

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the vague idea of whatever I think you should be giving me.

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Yeah.

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If tithing, of course, if X number is not achieved,

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that's an indication to me that you want to be raped by the devil.

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So enjoy.

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I've tried to save you for the last twenty three years.

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I've been on air, but you're not giving me money.

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And that means, you know what?

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Maybe I don't know.

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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Bucktooth demons are coming.

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It's wild.

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It's wild.

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That's a that's a different tone.

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There's been panic before, but not like a direct threat.

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I've not heard him to like threatening, threatening ad pivots.

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I like it.

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I do, too.

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If you don't wear fucking diamond gusset jeans, do you know what you want?

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You want your balls to be eaten by mosquitoes because that's what

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happens when you wear other fucking because they don't have the diamond gusset.

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They don't have the diamond gusset in the crotch.

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You put a diamond gusset in the crotch.

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Nothing harder than a diamond.

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That's right.

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So that's the end of the twenty eighth.

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That's the end of Monday.

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And we'll go on to Tuesday.

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And I think it's really I think I think these trends continue in a super interesting way.

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And it's a lot.

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There's a lot of content.

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And this is a real pain in my ass.

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Preparing this episode, stretching out over these three days.

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But I think it's worth it because the narrative plays out.

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On Sunday, you see the kernels of it.

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The beginning of Alex being kind of fed up and wanting yearning for something else.

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On Monday, you see him start to talk about my identity isn't fucking Roger Stone and

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Donald Trump and do an almost entire show where he just goes fucking vaccines and barely

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defends Trump in any way, like really not much Trump defense.

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Mm hmm. So then we get in on Tuesday on the twenty ninth.

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And Alex has an interview with Roger Stone at the beginning of the show because Roger

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had just gone and pled not guilty.

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Yeah, he tried to do a little press conference afterwards and he got booed again.

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And Alex is not happy about that either.

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That is really starting to piss Alex off because the optics of it are very difficult.

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The idea that Roger keeps getting booed everywhere.

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Eventually, people are not going to like they're not going to go like, oh, yeah, that is all

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globalist enemy of the people, fake news media.

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They're going to be like, huh?

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People really don't like this guy.

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Yeah. Outside of info, it seems like everybody thinks that guy's an asshole.

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Is everybody wrong?

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Huh?

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So anyway, Alex has this interview and it's exactly the same thing that we saw on our

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Monday episode where Alex is mostly preoccupied with the idea of this being a world exclusive.

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Of course.

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That seems to be what is really driving him here trying to talk to Roger.

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Talk about tomorrow's news today, ladies and gentlemen.

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Roger Stone is giving us the world exclusive after his arraignment.

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There were hundreds of cameras and reporters out front just 30 minutes ago when he came

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out, but he was shouted down from the giant throng of reporters and the huge stand of

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more than 40 microphones.

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They screamed, you're a Russian agent.

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You're going to prison, lock him up.

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They did not want him to have his free speech to defend himself.

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And so Owen Schroyer and Roger were ready to make statements, their co-host about the

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attack on the first amendment.

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But that was stopped even worse than what happened when he got out of the jail there

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in Florida on his own recognizance bond last Friday and last Saturday morning.

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So again, ladies and gentlemen, Roger Stone is here to give us this world exclusive.

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It's hard to square that with the fact that Roger has been on every fucking show that

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will have him on.

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It's even harder to square that with how earlier in the show, Roger said that earlier

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that morning on Tuesday, he had been on Mancow's show and Mancow says hello.

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So the idea that he had been on world exclusive, he had been on Mancow show earlier.

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He'd been on Fox News all over the place.

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He promotes that he's going to be on Laura Ingraham while he's on Alex's show.

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This is there's no exclusivity to this.

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And I think it's really pissing Alex off.

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I think he's really getting frustrated that Roger does now have other avenues he can go

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down.

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When Alex got sued by the Sandy Hook families, he couldn't go on Tucker Carlson.

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He couldn't go on Hannity.

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They wouldn't have him on to defend himself.

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Nope.

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But now Roger Stone's the hottest item in town.

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He's welcome on all the Fox News shows.

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He's he's able to go wherever he wants.

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He can go to Mancow, Mueller's place.

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Oh, I think they're related.

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Ah, Jesus.

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So Alex is starting to get this like you can feel it in him, this bubbling of like this

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motherfucker.

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I keep trying to say it's exclusive and he knows that he needs more than I can provide

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him.

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He's going he's working across purposes in the wrestling business.

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They call it going into business for yourself.

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Roger is going into business for himself in the middle of the match right here.

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What we're witnessing is a match.

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They're a tag team and Roger is basically going into business for himself.

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Gotcha.

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He's he's twisting the script of what they're supposed to be doing.

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And Alex is just like holding the bag.

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It's it's very, very clear and I love it.

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It's kind of unfortunate that Alex hasn't fired Roger because that seems like this

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episode.

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Oh, you son of a bitch.

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I'm not saying he does, but Alex does say something that implies that this shit isn't

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done.

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Yeah.

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But before he gets there, we see even more pieces of Alex from the past waking up as

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if in a slumber, as if out of the twilight.

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His eyes are flickering open back again.

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The sleeping giant has awoken.

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He starts to talk about these sources that he used to talk about all the time.

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These pre Trump era sources that he had that we haven't heard about in a long time.

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When I was growing up and I was hearing people that have been in the military as officers

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and people would have been FBI and all these other places, not in pencil pushing and paper

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pushing areas, but real on the ground stuff.

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I always heard and I always thought it was weird, not true because I was a kid.

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Nobody ever tried to sexually touch me that the establishment was obsessed with raping

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and killing children.

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And there was a whole secret government worldwide that entry into the club meant you had to

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kill children or at least rape them.

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And then as I got older and I'm sitting there having dinner with General Benton K.

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Parton, former head of Air Force weapons development, head of the heart program, guy that developed

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super secret space based weapons.

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I mean, it doesn't get more more influential than him, the top engineer over huge clandestine

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programs.

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And I've interviewed Stubblebine, head of Black Ops, everybody else.

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They've confirmed it all as well as Stubblebine.

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I've even interviewed Don de Grand Prix.

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He's bringing up these old dudes who used to be such a part of things.

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Yeah.

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We've encountered General Stubblebine on this podcast thanks to his 2015 appearance with

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his wife, Dr. Reema Labo, where the two of them tried to sell $30 laminated cards to

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get people out of being vaccinated.

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They're laminated.

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They're laminated.

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They were laminated.

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Then they expressed a bunch of bullshit white genocide narratives and it got real, real

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gross real fast.

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Yeah.

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Here's the thing.

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Stubblebine had a long and storied career in the military services that spanned 32 years

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from 1952 to 1984.

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You may be asking yourself why you left the military in 1984.

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It seems like if you're in for 32 years, you wouldn't leave unless you had to.

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Turns out he had to.

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In 1980, General Albert Stubblebine started to get a little bit weird.

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We need to fight the birds.

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This was the result of him reading the First Earth Battalion Operations Manual, a book

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written by a guy named Jim Chanin that was packed to the gills with Project Camelot style

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New Age nonsense.

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He was advocating for creating a class of warrior monks in our army that had special

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abilities, which would obviously give us a leg up against the USSR.

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I don't think he's wrong.

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General Stubblebine took that ball and ran with it, creating a project to investigate

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psychic warfare that ran between 1981 and 1984.

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He's the man who stares at goats.

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He attempted to train soldiers to turn themselves invisible and walk through walls, as well

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as remote view any place in the world.

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None of these efforts were successful in anything other than being the basis of Jon Ronson's

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book, The Man Who Stare at Goats.

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Yep.

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I didn't realize that that was Albert Stubblebine.

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You didn't realize that that was him?

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You didn't know that that was Stubblebine.

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Do you know what's crazy?

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That was the guy.

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I did know that.

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That is because I've read that fucking book.

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He's not the main character in the book or anything, but he is the guy who tries to walk

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through walls.

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Yeah.

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So in 1984, though he had...

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Because I'm a fan of Jon Ronson.

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He's really fun.

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He's really good.

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In 1984, though, he had literally zero success for three years at creating super soldiers.

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He was not drummed out of the military for that.

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It turns out that in order to train these super soldiers, General Stubblebine had been

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letting civilian psychics into the sensitive compartmentalized information facilities,

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which is a crazy violation of security protocol.

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Especially because they're psychics.

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It was kicked out for that.

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There's no way that Alex could have talked to Stubblebine except for after all of that,

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considering Alex was 10 years old in 1984.

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Stubblebine was also never the head of Black Ops.

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As for Benton K. Parton, Alex only knows him because that dude was a big Oklahoma City

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and Waco truther back in the 90s.

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Parton did have a long career in the Air Force, serving 31 years before retiring in 1978.

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Unfortunately, that makes it pretty much impossible for him to be involved in HAARP, seeing as

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that project didn't start until 1993.

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From 1988 to 1989, he served as a special assistant to the head of the Federal Aviation

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Association, but his role was mostly about the implementation of the new GPS systems

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and matters of FAA policy, not with creating a gigantic weather weapon.

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Alex knows that now Benton K. Parton is dead, so is Stubblebine.

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So why not exaggerate their resumes?

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It's kind of a shame because outside of some of the more colorful pieces of their resumes,

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they both did have long careers that don't need exaggeration.

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You don't need to claim that Stubblebine was the head of Black Ops.

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I mean, you could just say he was in the fucking military for 32 years.

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You don't need to lie about Ben Parton being a part of HAARP.

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You could just talk about his illustrious 31-year career in the Air Force.

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Hey, Alex, this is Jordan from Chicago.

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I just want to check in.

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How's General Stubblebine doing?

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Oh, he's dead.

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He died in 2017.

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All right.

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Well, I think you're doing a great job.

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I'm going to let you go.

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Yeah.

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So you see that, though.

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Like, these are things that existed previous to Trump, and they're starting to make a re-emergence.

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And he has another one.

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He has another little piece of narrative from earlier days.

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We have the former Defense Secretary, Michael Cohen.

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That's not his name.

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Saying, we have earthquake weapons.

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We have tectonic weapons.

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We have weather weapons.

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And other people have weather weapons.

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But see, I'm the bad guy, you see, because I told you first about it.

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And we had the meteorologist on about it.

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It's incredible.

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Yeah, their Secretary of Defense speaks out about earthquake weapons.

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I like earthquake weapons.

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Just don't believe me.

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Just type it in.

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Just type it in.

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You can actually go watch the video of the Defense Department if they haven't pulled

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it down.

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I typed it in.

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Alex Jones here is reporting that William Cohen, not Michael Cohen,

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Right.

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Legitimate Secretary of Defense under Bill Clinton held a press conference where he

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admitted that they had earthquake weapons.

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If he's out there admitting that that is what they have, what kind of terrifying shit do

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they have that they don't talk about at press conferences?

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The mind reels.

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Be very afraid.

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Order Infowars products today.

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That sounds right.

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That sounds right. So in reality, what Alex is talking about is a speech that Secretary

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Cohen gave on April 28th, 1997, which is part of a conference on terrorism, weapons of mass

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destruction and U.S. strategy.

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In all fairness to Alex, Cohen does bring up earthquake weapons.

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In all fairness to reality, Cohen brings them up as an example of something that doesn't

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exist.

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The full context of his quote is that he's asked, quote, Let me ask you specifically

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about last week's scare here in Washington and what we might have learned from how prepared

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we are to deal with that sort of thing at B'nai B'rith, referring to a package that

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arrived at the Jewish service organization that was initially thought to be a chemical

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weapon.

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Cohen's response was this quote.

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Well, it points out the nature of the threat.

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It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances.

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But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called and we have James

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Woolsey here to perhaps even address the question about phantom moles.

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The mere fear here is that...

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Say the words phantom moles one more time.

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Oh, Star Wars.

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We have phantom moles.

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Phantom mole menace.

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All right.

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The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and

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a hunt for that particular mole, which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and

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years even in a search.

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The same thing is true about the false scares of a threat of someone using some kind of

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chemical weapon or biological one.

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There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct

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something like an Ebola virus.

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And that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least.

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Alvin Toffler has written about it in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying

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to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic-specific so they could just

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eliminate certain ethnic groups and races.

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Others are designing some sort of engineering, some kind of insect that could destroy specific

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crops.

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Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate,

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set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

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He's talking about potential weapons.

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But the context of these potential weapons are as examples of false threats that they've

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received reports about.

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It's the sort of thing that you can't not take seriously.

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If you're in the intelligence community, you get some sort of report about this sort of

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thing.

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But it's not real.

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Alex is profoundly fucking stupid.

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Well, there's so many times where you saw during the Cold War, Russia would be like,

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we have lasers.

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And then America would be like, we have buzz, and then Russia would be like, well, we have

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anti-buzz.

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And then America would be like, we have anti-anti-buzz, busting anti-buzz, you know?

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There's a lot of posturing that goes on in terms of geopolitical.

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Yeah, it's to force you to account for something that is literally unaccountable.

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You can really hurt your enemy by pretending you have a weapon that forces them to spend

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billions of dollars trying to find a way to protect themselves from that weapon.

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And at the same time, it's part of the fucking each other over.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The age-old game.

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This information is necessary for both enemies and allies.

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Like, what?

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The most famous story I can think of off the top of my head is the British spread that

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idea of carrots improve eyesight.

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Right, right, right.

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In order to distract from the fact that they were using radar.

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Yeah.

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You know, like it was that kind of like, oh, it's this.

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That's the reverse, but the same principle.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, like hiding whatever technology you have.

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It's art of war bullshit.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You always want to have a vagueness, whether it's a perceived greater threat or a perceived

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lesser capability in order to get people off your trail.

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And if you read that entire interview that Cohen did, it's very clear from the context

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that he's talking about stuff that we don't have, there's like reports that are false

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that people do have them.

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Yeah, so Alex using that is his big example of like, they got weather weapons.

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They can make earthquakes.

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It's like, yeah, you gotta do better.

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Can't do that.

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Can't do it based on that.

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So in this next clip, Alex is just getting into just where he's at.

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And where he's at is, I think internally he recognizes that he's sold out, but he's

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really mad about it.

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Yeah.

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So he's got to talk about how he'll never sell out.

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There's this weird given, there's this push and pull that's going on inside his soul

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where he's like, I need to make up for having sold out.

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Right.

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By going back to my roots in some ways.

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But at the same time, if I recognize that I've sold out, I can never go back.

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Right.

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So I have...

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Which is, again, something that we talked about so long ago.

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I know.

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We talked about this.

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We talked about all of this as hypothetical things, and now it's happening.

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As far as prophetic predictions, the whole time we're like, he can do this, but he can't

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do that.

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There's certain things you can't accept in terms of owning for Alex.

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And there's some things he just can't.

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And one of them is selling out and he would never.

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I will not sell out to death.

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I will not sell out and molest children to be part of the club.

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I will not do it.

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You're disgusting.

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Okay.

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Oh, it's just unbelievable.

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We're gonna go to break.

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Listen, I'm just gonna tell us for something right now.

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I think our best products are body's ultimate tumor.

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What the fuck?

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Yep.

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I will never sell out.

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I won't sell out to death.

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I do need you to give me money for these products that are bullshit that I sold out to.

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I also really like the flat delivery of I will not sell out to death.

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Just emotionless.

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So up to this point, I think that I've been making a case that Alex is going back to his

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roots, and I think that there's been some indications of it.

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I have also been making a case that he's really doing the first step of getting the fuck away

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from Roger.

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Yeah.

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And up to this point, I don't think that I've proven that case necessarily, but I will in

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this next clip.

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All right.

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I've got all these employees and all this crew, and I've got all my lawsuits I'm fighting

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that are way more money than Roger's paying.

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It's not some competition here, but I'm kind of fighting a two front war with Roger has

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become a platform to sit there and promote fundraising for his issues.

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When I gave Roger a job here, which is great, and he's paid.

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And then it also becomes this split where we may not get the funds to fund info wars

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because the 24 seven Roger Stone fundraising is people then split it and say, well, we'll

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just give him a donation instead of info wars.

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I got to have a talk with him about that because we can win the battle, lose the war here because

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of that.

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So I hope people do support Roger, but info wars has a bill.

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Let's not exaggerate.

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At least 10 times what Roger Stone's is.

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Okay.

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And so and he's bringing in as much money as we're bringing in right now.

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And that's great.

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That's all fine and dandy.

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It's not.

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I have 100 employees.

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I have all the bandwidth bills and all the equipment and I sent security with Roger and

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reporters up there and that costs money.

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And so I'm not bitching or complaining.

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I'm going to have to make some decisions around here on a bunch of fronts about layoffs, laying

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Paul Watson off, laying Roger Stone off people that are paid more around here.

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I mean, I've just told I've told him point blank too.

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I mean, that's where this is headed.

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If we don't get the support and people don't want to support us, that's fine.

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You don't think it's fine.

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But that I also I think that there's I think there's a truth in terms of Roger in terms

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of Paul.

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I don't think that's true.

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I think that's the advertising cover.

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That's to cover for him saying I'm going to have to lay off Roger Stone.

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Yeah, I'm going to have to lay off Roger Stone.

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And so I'm going to add in some people that I'm never going to lay off.

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Paul is an essential employee who are maybe comparable.

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So Alex can't do this without Paul.

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No, there's no way.

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Like if the day that Paul Joseph Watson leaves is the day everything falls apart.

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Yeah.

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In terms of enforce.

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He can't and Buckley would never let him fire Paul no matter what.

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So I don't believe that.

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But it isn't I think that Alex is expressing something sincere.

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And that is that like unless you motherfuckers give me a bunch of money, I'm going to lay

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I'm going to have to lay people off.

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That's just the reality of this because we aren't going to be able to wear a fucking

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podcast slash radio show now.

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We're not even if I'm getting dark money, it's not going to make up for the eight lawsuits

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I'm facing.

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And like the chickens coming home to roost are super expensive to feed.

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So like it there is that I believe that's true.

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What I also believe is true is that Alex is really pissed off that some of the donations

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that could be going to him are going to run one hundred twenty four hour Roger Stone defense

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thing here is really cutting into my bottom line.

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I got a business to run.

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And you know what?

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I got to talk to Roger about this quite frankly.

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Hold on a second.

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He's not even giving me exclusives.

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He went on Mancow before my show.

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What the fuck?

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I am both paying Roger Stone and advertising for Roger Stone's legal defense fund.

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And now he is siphoning money away from me.

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It could be given to me.

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It's probably the first time in like the last three years that Roger Stone has been a financial

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deficit.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Like before there were like.

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And as we all know, that is the single most important thing.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Once there isn't green in it, then what are we doing?

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So Alex expresses this even more.

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It just deteriorates as the show goes on.

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That's what I'm saying is I'm sick of just being associated with Donald Trump and Roger

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Stone.

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He's probably sick of being associated with me.

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And by that, I'm not.

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It's not bad to be associated with Donald Trump.

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It's that that's all I become associated with.

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Not being right about screen time.

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You did this to yourself.

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Being right about how you're being spied on, being right about the world government, being

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right about everything.

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Why doesn't everyone why do people recognize I'm right about everything?

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All they do is think I'm associated with Roger Stone and Trump because of everything I've

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done for the last three years.

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It's like you do everything possible to cement yourself as the guy who's associated with

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Roger Stone and Donald Trump for three years.

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And then people think that's all you are.

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Right.

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There's so much more to me like what I did before and abandoned in order to do this thing.

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Remember when I guys, guys, do you know what this is?

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This is so much guys.

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Guys, you remember when I used to be great?

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Yeah, it definitely was.

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Glory days.

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In this next clip, this is the last one where he's talking about Roger.

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And I think that this, like, just listen to his fucking tone.

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This is like, this is so frustrated and over it.

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He's just over it.

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I'm saying this is how the globalist engage you.

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Set up these false fights where now we're going to spend half our time defending Roger

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on a fake indictment in a major war for the whole country and our children fighting the

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pedophiles.

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Now everything in info wars will become this stupid case and the stupid judge and stupid

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Mueller instead of just warning people.

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Hey, read what's in your tap water.

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Read what's in the vaccines.

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Hey, find out about the New World Order.

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Hey, find out about the big picture.

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You see what I'm saying?

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I do see what you're saying.

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I don't think that there's any way if Alex was still committed to this whole thing, he

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would be like this stupid case.

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Half of my fucking time is going to be have to be spent defending Roger about this stupid

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bullshit.

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Like he's put upon to a point where it's like this isn't cutting it anymore.

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I'm done.

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This isn't this is a strong indication to me.

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Roger's done.

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Roger.

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Done with info Roger.

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This is both an indictment of your legal standing and an indictment of your character from me.

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Yeah.

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And I'm out.

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So I don't feel great about this and I don't think it says anything really positive about

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me, but I've put in my time with Alex Jones and I believe that I have a unique ability

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to understand him.

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Everything I hear being put forth from him in the aftermath of Roger Stone getting indicted

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when he's had time to actually read the stuff and sleep on it.

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All I hear is Alex screaming, I want to go back.

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Roger is going to prison.

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Jerome Corsi is mixed up in all of it.

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He's publicly denounced Steve Pachannock on his show.

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Webster Tarpley and Wayne Madsen hate him now because they saw Trump for the danger

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that he was.

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Jacari Jackson quit.

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He lost Rob Jacobson.

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He had to fire Joe Biggs over Pizzagate.

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Leanne McAdoo doesn't seem too into this anymore.

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Roger Stone was the glue holding together a fractured world.

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And without him, it's not going to work in this direction anymore.

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It's just it can't.

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It's not worth doing it.

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And so Alex is trying to retreat to the idyllic pastures of his past, not realizing you can't

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go home again.

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As George Weber learned in Tom Wolfe's book of that title, quote, you can't go back home

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to your family, back to your childhood, back home to a young man's dreams of glory and

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fame, back home to the places in the country, back home to the old forms and systems of

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things which once seemed everlasting, but which are changing all the time, back home

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to the escapes of time and memory.

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Three years of becoming what he is now has taken a toll on Alex that he'll never be able

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to undo.

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Every day he woke up and came into his studio to tie his name and his reputation to Trump

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intentionally.

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And that is not something that goes away just because your friend got arrested and you don't

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want to play that game anymore.

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Alex has every reason to want to go back to his marvelous sunset cities of his better

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days, but he can't because he's been changed by the journey.

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It becomes crystal clear when you hear him trying to do this 2009 style rants that we've

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seen over the course of this episode, but he's doing it with his 2019 brain.

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He can't do it anymore.

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He can't weave his I'm above politics bullshit after spending three plus years defending

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everything Republican members of the government did and literally making Democrat and globalist

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synonymous.

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He was always lying, but he threw away whatever pretense he had a decade ago to ride the big

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wave with Roger.

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Unfortunately, that party is fucking over.

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Roger is signaled that he's willing to talk to Mueller, which undercuts literally all

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of the narratives Alex has pitched about their interactions.

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Roger keeps going on Fox shows like Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and Laura Ingraham to plead

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his case because he can now.

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He's a hot item, and Alex knows that he's old news.

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And Alex cannot go home again, but it's going to be fucking fun to see him try.

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Did you just quote Tom Wolfe at me?

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I did.

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Did you just fucking quote Tom Wolfe at me?

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I did.

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All right.

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All right.

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But I mean, I think that's what he's struggling with.

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And I think it's really interesting because I don't I don't think he can make it work.

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But whether or not I think he can pull it off just based on how I don't think anyone can

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pull it off.

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No, that doesn't mean I'm not still super into him trying.

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Super into him trying.

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That's more what I'm really interested in, because along the way, he's going to get back

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to more like actually trying on his show as opposed to being just a deflection artist,

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which is always better.

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It's always better for me.

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And then at the same time, I don't think that we've ever seen like Alex in salvage mode.

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And I think that's what he's going to have to be moving forward.

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I think it's going to be slow moving.

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I definitely think it's going to take a little while for it to really take hold.

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But it's the same sort of thing that we saw when he came into Trump in the late summer

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fall into the winter of 2015.

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It was a really slow burn where there was the introduction of themes, the gradual warming

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of the water to the point where the listeners didn't realize it was boiling and they were

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in the pot, that sort of thing.

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I think he's doing sort of a similar thing, but in reverse now.

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And we because we have such an awareness of Alex and how he works and how he operates,

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I think you can see from these three days here in January 2019, the de-escalation of

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that boiling water.

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Right.

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Not necessarily to let people out of the pot.

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I don't know how to make that metaphor work, honestly.

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No, I don't know.

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The closest would be out of the frying pan into the fire.

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But even then, you're still in trouble with that metaphor.

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One of the things I'm super interested in, and because we're recording this here on Thursday,

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I don't have access to much more of Alex's.

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Wednesday was kind of boring and inconsequential, big picture.

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But I'm interested to see where he goes.

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He has people like Owen Benjamin who are hosting the fourth hour.

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And to me, that's kind of uninteresting as an influence.

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I think Owen Benjamin is a stupid asshole and not funny.

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But I don't see him as being someone who's going to be able to mold Alex.

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But if he were to get in with, let's say, those people who do Red Ice TV or something

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like that, those are people who could drift Alex strongly towards overt white supremacist,

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white nationalist shit.

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I was going to say, that seems like his only angle is to go full white supremacist.

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That's possible.

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The other possibility is that we could see a marked resurgence of the old guests who

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seem to have been laying low.

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People like Paul Craig Roberts, people like Peter Schiff.

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We could see a lot of these guys who were really prominent figures in 2015 start to

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show back up as Alex tries to refocus on the Federal Reserve, the globalist, as opposed

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to it being a Trump defense show.

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A lot of these guys who used to be his sources, like I said, he can't go back to Webster

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Tarpley, he can't go back to Patchenik, he can't go back to Wayne Madsen, but he has

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options from his old roster if he apologizes to them and shows that he's not still just

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on Trump's coattails.

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I think that's one possibility that I'd be interested in seeing, because I think that

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dynamic would be fascinating, because those people would take a real fucking we-told-you-so

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kind of approach, and Alex might get really mad about that.

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The other possibility is something I'm more afraid of, but I think would be more interesting

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and that is Alex going to the overt Nazi route, which is possible, I don't know, but that's

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the problem with not being able to go home again, because if he tries to go home to his

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old guests and all of those people that used to make him comfortable back in the day, they've

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changed and he's changed since then.

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Trying to go back there is trying to create a future that can't be.

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It's a warped version of the past that will only make both parties kind of disappointed

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by what they're experiencing.

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I think that could lead him also towards then going to the red-ice people.

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I don't know, on the other hand, you could say that, once again, we get an insight into

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the weakest link of the chain.

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You know, like Alex was so hard into Trump that now his pivot has to be so fast, whereas

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you have people like Fox News where they're starting to be like, maybe we shouldn't be

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with this guy, and because they were far more gradual to it and still attempted to kind

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of mitigate it to some extent, their decline is going to be similarly slower.

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I don't want to disagree with you necessarily because I think your idea is interesting and

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I think that's entirely possible, but from where I'm sitting, I think that Alex has to

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be more gradual, and I think Fox News, when they jump, could go much harder at a 90-degree

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angle.

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I think that they could take a pivot really fast and I think people would kind of not

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see it.

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Like, I think that because of the flashiness of their graphics, their production design,

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their ability to distract, and the fact that they're better at their jobs, like, you know...

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That's true.

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...Hannity does, or Tucker, any of them, they do an hour show that's edited, it's not live,

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they're reading scripts, and there's like always graphics on the screen.

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There's an ability for them to make hard turns that sometimes people don't see or experience

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as being that hard because they're distracted by it.

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Most of the people who are listening to Alex just have his words, and even if they're watching

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the video, it's not like they have chyrons and, you know, like, the graphics up everywhere

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on it.

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Like, Alex will call for the document cam sometimes, and then you get to see a piece

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of paper on his desk.

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That's good stuff, though.

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It's not that great.

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See, I don't think Alex has the same ability to sort of hypnotize and manipulate people.

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Like, he has just his words mostly to go on.

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I don't know.

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You could be right or I could be...

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I don't know.

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I don't think either of us are staking a strong position on it, but I think something that

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would be really interesting, but I actually think is impossible, is the idea that Alex

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could become a voice of, like, we lost our way or something like that.

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I don't think he'd ever do it, but I think that there would be some value for propaganda

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purposes in humility, like some sort of, like, I don't know how he'd get to the place necessarily,

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but some sort of, like, penitence of, like, we lost our way, we had our principles, Ron

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Paul is who I always loved and I get seduced away from it, could even go with his sort

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of hero's journey that he likes to put himself into.

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He could do that and be like, look, it seemed like the right thing to do.

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It seemed like the best way to attack the globalist.

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This guy Roger Stone fucked me over.

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He's going to prison.

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I've seen the error of my ways.

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I know he was lying to me the whole time.

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I beg of you.

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I'm a voice in the wilderness coming to you saying, we fucked up.

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Do you remember how great it was when the Tea Party was going on?

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Do you remember how much life we felt in those midterms in 2010 when we started to gain seats?

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Do you remember what it felt like to have this resurgence and the Fed anti-tax movement

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going on that got warped, it got bastardized?

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We didn't know what we were doing.

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We got led down the wrong road and I'm begging you to come back.

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Come back.

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I don't think it would work, but I think it would be interesting as a character.

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Now I would actually say your best move there is we did this for the right reason and we

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got two Supreme Court justices in there.

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You know, like, hey, say what you want.

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Say what you want about it.

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Well, 2009 Alex Jones wouldn't be into the Supreme Court justices because one of them's

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a neocon and the other's a dick.

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But all of them have to get a win out of this.

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I'm sure what we elected was a fucking moron, but guess what we got?

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We got two Supreme Court justices.

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We got the absolute destruction of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, you know, like

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the tax code is gone.

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You can snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat a little bit that way, certainly.

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You could do something like that, but I want the character to be penitent because I think

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that's an interesting voice and especially for Alex to embody it.

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For Alex it would be astonishing.

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Yeah, it would be a sort of logical but unlikely progression for his character.

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I think most likely we're going to see like severe radicalization because him trying to

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go home isn't going to work.

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I think he's going to have to try and find a new home and that new home in terms of the

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Internet conspiracy sphere and all that world, he's either got to go like QAnon shit and

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that's clearly something he's not into and isn't viable.

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The only other world there really is outright white nationalist, white supremacist Nazis

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and like he believes the same things as them.

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He just...

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Yeah, he's outclassed on all fronts though because he's still not going to be able to

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do white nationalism as good as out and out white nationalists are doing.

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No, but he does have a bigger platform than a lot of them so he could elevate them and

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they would hero worship him because of that gatekeeper-ish thing where like he has these

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millions of people who listen to him.

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So I think there's a possibility there.

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I don't know.

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That'd be interesting.

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It's always difficult for us to try and like predict the future and all that and I don't

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really like that game too much.

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It's fun to speculate a little but like we can only go on what he's saying in the present

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and provide context that we have from the past.

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Of course.

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Now, we have a couple more clips here from the 29th which again is Tuesday.

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On this show, Alex has clearly indicated that Roger Stone's time is done.

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Alex wants to go back.

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He wants to be where he felt comfortable before where his identity wasn't tied to Trump and

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he could talk about all the stuff that he's been right about.

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He wants to be that again and I wouldn't take it all that seriously probably because he's

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a liar.

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And even -

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And he may have killed a guy.

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And even the emotional pleas and the sort of things that you think you're seeing in

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him could sometimes be - you could trick yourself if you're giving like a generous

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reading of what he's saying or doing.

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You could trick yourself into thinking like, oh, isn't that interesting?

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What sealed the deal for me is this interview that he has at the end of the show on the

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29th.

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Well, William Gein heads up Alipack.us, one of the largest, strongest, no compromise groups

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defending our sovereignty.

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But now, he's had one like 10 years ago and it hadn't been on a couple of years.

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Everything he's talked about and others have talked about has come true.

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The UN funding it, world government trying to collapse our borders.

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It's just gotten crazy.

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And he had a big article that went viral at Alipack.us and at GeinReport.com, why I want

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Ann Coulter to run for president in 2020.

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So here to break down what's behind this idea is William Gein.

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William, good to have you with us.

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Hey, Alex.

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It's great to be back after a long time and you've been through a lot since the last time

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I got to talk to you.

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I just wanted to thank you real quick for hanging in the air and really continuing what

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you're doing.

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You know, I've read to more people in the country than anyone else.

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So he's having a guy on who he hasn't had on in years.

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He's a guy named William Gein who runs this political action committee, the American Legal

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Immigration Political Action Committee.

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And he is a vociferous anti-immigration guy.

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He is a super fucked up, like keep him out, keep the Browns out, that sort of guy.

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Now, he wrote an article about wanting Ann Coulter to primary Trump in 2020.

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Alex would never have this person on his show if he still had any interest in being a part

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of Trump's shit.

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I can't imagine that.

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Anybody who voices even milquetoast criticism of Trump, Alex will shout down, he'll like,

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ah, what the fuck, let's go to break or whatever.

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It doesn't exist on his show.

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Valid criticisms of Trump do not exist or even invalid criticisms, quite frankly, ones

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that are given, he never gives time to criticisms of Trump without challenging them and attacking

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the person who's delivering them.

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William Gein goes on the show.

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Listen to this shit.

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It doesn't mean I really don't want Trump to win reelection, but I think you're saying

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get Coulter to start talking about running to get Trump back on the straight and narrow.

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Well, even if she needs to run, I don't think that it would be harmful for us to have a

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healthy GOP primary based on the issues and hold Trump accountable.

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And there's a wide variation of people who do and do not support what I'm doing right

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now.

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Me personally, I will never vote for Donald Trump again.

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I don't care if he's running against the socialist Oscar Cortez or whatever her name is.

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I can't vote for him again because I feel very betrayed.

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So it felt great during the campaign and at the inauguration to hear things that I've

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been saying for years echoing off the walls of the White House and to have some hope.

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So he feels betrayed by Trump and he'll never vote for him again.

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Alex wouldn't let this on his show a month ago.

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That's absurd.

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That's crazy to think about.

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And even the idea that he's starting out this interview by saying, you know, maybe it's

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a good idea to have Ann Coulter run to get Trump back in line or whatever.

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If he'd read the article that William Gein had written that was posted, reposted on InfoWars,

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he wouldn't think that that was the premise.

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He knows who this guy is.

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This strikes me as the soft launch.

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No, the first production meeting InfoWars has had in 10 years, like legit.

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This is when Alex got together with his dad and Buckley and they for real talked about

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it.

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You guys got Williams number.

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We can't do this anymore.

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Find me a guy who's going to say we're the most whatever it is we think we are.

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And Trump is not that anymore.

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We didn't bring Trump, Trump didn't bring us to the party.

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We brought Trump to the party.

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It's exactly what he said the day before.

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And now Trump has betrayed us.

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This is allowing this guy to express these opinions on the show because unchallenged,

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because it's what he wants to say but can't yet.

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So he wants to introduce it into the rhetoric of his show.

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Yeah.

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Very important for him in terms of being able to pivot, being able to transition.

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Have this on a hostile conversation with someone who's like, fuck it.

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Trump abandoned us.

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I've always been, you know, I, I was, I loved it in the, in the campaign to hear stuff I

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love to hear.

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Yeah.

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I love that.

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And that's why we voted for him.

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Now it's unfortunate because this guy, William Gein is a big old piece of shit.

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Also he knows Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's name.

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All right.

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Go fuck yourself.

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You don't make it more obvious that you do know her name than when you're like, oh, it's

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Oscar Cortez or whatever her name is.

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You fucking know her name.

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Shut the fuck up.

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I like to hear stuff like that.

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Anyways.

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That indicates fear.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And people like the, these folks that, they are terrified of her.

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Exactly.

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And you know, rightfully so.

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But it's important that Alex is letting this on his show.

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That's super important.

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And the second thing that's really important is at the end there, he's like, we voted for

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Trump because I heard these things and the campaign that inspired me.

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And a lot of people would like to present the idea.

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Alex tries to present this idea.

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There's like, he said he was going to get out of the TPP.

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He was going to fight the globalists, but William Gein is a fucking dick.

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And he said we were going to have whites only bathrooms again.

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And now we don't.

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William Gein spells it out.

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We did not let Donald Trump to make DACA permanent.

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We elected Donald Trump because he promised us illegal immigrants, including DACA dreamers

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had to leave the country.

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Everyone.

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Wow.

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You're bad for this.

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When he told us this, we either have a country or we don't.

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He told us the illegals had to leave.

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He told us he was going to form a deportation force.

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He's doing none of these things.

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He's actually doing something 180 degrees different than that.

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He promised us recently, read me just before the midterm elections where a lot of voters

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like me did not get excited about things that he was going to end birthright citizenship

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through an executive order.

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Didn't do it.

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He told us recently he was going to declare a state of an emergency to get the wall built.

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Didn't do it.

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His bigotry is disappointing to me.

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I heard during the campaign that this guy was a fucking rampant white nationalist.

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And it turns out we got bamboozled by the by a pro.

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We instead of getting a 100 percent white nationalist, we got like a 75 percent white

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nationalist.

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And that's not what I voted for.

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And the response here is interesting because Alex is kind of like, yeah, you know what?

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You're right.

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Yeah, you're right.

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Like there's a part at the end of the interview where Alex is even like, yeah, you know, we're

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all caught up on the wall.

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But this amnesty issue is really more important.

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Even if they build the wall, you know, there's going to be still immigrants here.

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They're like, holy shit, Alex.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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So not only is this a very jovial, friendly interview with this guy who's denouncing Trump

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and saying that he needs to be primaried by Ann fucking Coulter in 2020, someone who Alex

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in the past has been at times embracing of, but at other times also very petty towards

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this woman's a monster.

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Yeah.

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Sort of.

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Yeah.

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So like, I would imagine that if we were to really go back through the archives, you could

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find a lot of a terrible take takes on her appearance.

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Yes.

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Takes on her appearance to an exhaustive degree that also bat for the cycle.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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In terms of misogyny and other culture, and I'd still be like, Jesus, man.

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So I think what's important here is that I don't think that Alex really necessarily even

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supports what William Gein is saying.

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I think he's using him as a more extreme guest that will allow him to have a moderate position

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working away from Trump.

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Yeah.

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So I think, I think, I think, I don't know.

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At the end here, I just think like, I can't sum it up better than like, I hear Alex wanting

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this not to be real anymore.

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What he's done, what he's been involved in, like he just realizes that he's reached the

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end of it.

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The party's over.

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The lights have come on and it's not fun.

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You're there until five in the morning and it's like, hey, do, do, do, do, do, do, baby

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shark.

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Everything's like fun, like at two in the morning and then at five, you still think

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it's fun.

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Lights come on.

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You realize no one's dancing with you.

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Yeah.

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The party is over.

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All your friends are gone.

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They don't like you anymore because you punched them at three a.m. and you're just fucked.

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It's five a.m. and now you've got to fucking sober up.

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You got to go get some Gatorade, whatever, like metaphorical Gatorade.

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Alex has got to figure it out, get his life right.

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And that's all I hear.

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That's why to me, compared to the ISIS night.

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Yeah.

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ISIS up the asshole.

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The ISIS up the asshole.

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The ISIS night.

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I always be remembered as a dirty asshole night.

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This this is why the production meeting part of it.

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This is why that like, well, this is our first three days.

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Right.

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But what I'm saying is that night was emotional.

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Alex shooting from the cuff, telling Rob to turn off that camera.

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Yeah.

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Of course, when they go home the next day, the people around him are like, you can't

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do that.

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We got to amend this.

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Whereas this turn is more likely to natural because because the people around him who

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otherwise would have said, no, no, no, no, you can't be doing this, are now saying, how

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do we do this?

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Not you can't be doing this.

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How do we maneuver this?

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Exactly.

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We maneuver it by softly cutting off Roger.

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Don't you would serve nobody to think about layoffs.

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I'm not just saying I'm going to lay off Roger because he was indicted.

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He's probably going to go to jail.

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I mean, hey, Paul Watson, he might go, but not him because he's not indicted and he's

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not going to jail.

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I don't pay John Bown anything, so he's sticking around.

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I don't.

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He doesn't pay John Bown anything.

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It would serve nobody's purposes for him to come on air and be like, fuck Roger Stone,

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that guy's a piece of shit or anything like that.

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It would be too abrupt and it also would hurt Roger and Roger is a-

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It'd be fun for us.

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Sure.

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But also Roger's a rat fucker, so he would then start talking shit about Alex.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So it just doesn't work.

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That strategy would be a non-starter.

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So the idea of being like behind the scenes, I would assume it's like, Roger, we're going

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to work through this, but fuck you.

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I imagine there has to be something like that because you see this presented on the show.

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It's consistent over the course of three days, like I am fucking sick and tired of being

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tied to these dudes.

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It's as close as it gets to like a shoot promo, like CM Punk's pipe bomb promo.

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We are not paying Roger Stone hush money.

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This is a severance package that he negotiated way in advance.

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It's amazing how much money we're giving him while he's not working here.

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It's not hush money to be cool with people so they don't slander you.

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That's just kind of a good strategy when you're working with shitheads.

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Oh, if you're working with Roger Stone, this is like a minefield that you don't even know

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if you can make it through.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You can make it through if he's probably going to be in prison soon.

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That's when you bail on it.

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That's when you're free.

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Alex is free in a way that he hasn't been for three years.

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Oh my God.

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The most important thing for Alex right now is whether or not Roger Stone's gag order

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gets enforced.

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Not really.

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It's just a matter of time.

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I don't mean, obviously I was being hyperbolic, but I mean if Roger's gag order does get enforced,

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Alex is free as a bird.

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There's nothing Roger can do that isn't a crime.

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Well, somewhat, somewhat.

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If the gag order is enforced, then Alex is free to just move on.

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He doesn't have to be afraid of whatever Roger might do, but it doesn't really free him up

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to sell Roger out or anything like that because I also think that wouldn't work for his interests.

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I think that there's one path to go down that is blame everything on Roger and I think that's

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interesting.

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I think that's what he should do, but it also implies a gullibility and a weakness in himself.

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That he can't allow.

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Right.

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I accept that.

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Maintaining the status quo of Roger's innocence is getting railroaded by the globalists.

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Now let's talk exclusively about the globalists, fuck Trump who gives a shit about him.

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You can still maintain a flimsy, performative support for Roger Stone and abandon Trump.

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You can do all of the things you need to do.

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For sure.

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But you can't do them if Roger still has influence over you and when Roger goes to prison or

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is on his way to prison, you are free.

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That's what I'm saying.

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I'm talking about the gag order as that psychological component of, man, the moment I don't have

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to look over my shoulder.

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He can't talk shit about me.

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Not yet.

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Exactly.

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Like it doesn't matter if I have any obligations to be like for my audience, I, Hey, I still

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support Roger Stone.

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The moment I don't have to look over my shoulder is the moment I'm free.

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Yeah.

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Once Roger, once Roger can't get involved, that's the moment that Alex finally has agency

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over his own narratives.

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Exactly.

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So there is something to that.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what the future holds, but these days, uh, this week have been eye-opening

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for me.

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Like it really has been, it's been very difficult to listen to.

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And uh, I mean, certainly there's a lot of stuff I had to look into, like a lot of articles

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and studies and reports about vaccines because I wanted to talk about that a little bit as

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Alex was bringing it up, but beyond that, wrestling with the emotional pieces of this

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and like, it's, it's tough.

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It's tough.

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Yeah.

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I've not seen anything like this from him in, in a long, long fucking time.

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Not even the night where he cried and uh, uh, the dirty asshole night, not anything

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close to that.

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The dirty asshole night.

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This is sincere.

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This is protracted.

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This is intentional.

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December 25th, the year of our Lord dirty asshole night.

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If he had said that Roger Stone shoves ISIS up their dirty assholes or the equivalent

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or the equivalent, if he had lashed out at Roger in some way, I'd be like, ha ha, look

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at this.

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Isn't this funny?

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It'd be an emotional thing that he's going to walk back.

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Right.

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It's a dude.

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It's natural.

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There's a, there's a path to it.

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And I think it indicates very strongly that whatever happens in the next week or, or whatever,

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he's done.

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Alex is done talking to Roger and having him run the show back to Alex and we will see

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if he is still able to do that.

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God damn it.

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The problem with that prediction is that this prediction episode, like the way that your

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predictions have nailed it, this episode belies our constant truth of we think Alex is going

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to do this thing.

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We're often wrong.

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Tomorrow.

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He's going to talk about Somali pirates, right?

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We're all like, I don't know.

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Well, but that's also an indication I think of how unpredictable he was in 2009 as opposed

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to in 2019, 2018.

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He's so predictable.

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Right?

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I meant metaphorical Somali pirates.

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But if Alex is getting back to where he was in days past, he might talk about as unpredictable

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as he used to be.

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And I'm excited for that.

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You know what I like about Roger?

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He reminds me so much of the Somali pirates and you got to give it up to those rat fuckers.

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I hate Alex Jones.

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I think he's a piece of shit, a monster, a white supremacist, a white nationalist, a

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bigot of all orders.

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Like he really is.

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He's a monstrous, bad influence in society.

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But that being said, I will always prefer pre-Trump Alex to Trump Alex.

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100.

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There is a distinct difference between them, not on an ethical standpoint, but on a, I'm

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interested in this standpoint and to see any kind of resurgence where Alex is feeling like

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I want to go back to who I used to be.

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I'm never going to be against it.

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I'm still going to be here to punch you metaphorically, politically, but I'm still

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going to be there to like yell at you and talk about how fucking stupid you are.

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But thank you, Alex.

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Thank you for indicating that you want to come back.

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Two straight present day episodes that did not begin with Alex in the present day is

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so boring.

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I want to go back to 2009, two straight episodes.

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I know it's fucked up.

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It's fucked up too.

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Cause I have so many things that have been in the works and we have, we have other things

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that like we have been planning that are like big, big episodes planning.

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And they all got thrown off by Roger Stone getting indicted.

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The timing of the world just works as it works.

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And we are servants of it.

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Sometimes you just got to let go and let God down.

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Yep.

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We have to, we have to accept, we have to accept what comes and the episodes that we

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do will be what we do.

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We'll talk about it at the beginning of the next episode, but if you're still, if you're

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still listening next week, we're only going to have a Monday and a Friday episode.

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I will be on vacation.

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So please, I don't know, don't, you don't need to forgive us, but just won't be a Wednesday

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episode.

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Yeah, that's, that's fine.

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But we will be back on Monday.

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But until then we have a website.

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Do we?

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Knowledgefight.com.

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Okay.

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All right.

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What if you found us on Twitter?

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You do that.

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How could you?

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Knowledge underscore fight.

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Knowledge underscore fight.

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Also thank you to Robert Evans over at Behind the Bastards.

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Earlier this week he had to, he had to announce that he didn't have an episode for the end

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of the week and someone got sassy with him and his response was, why don't you check

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out Knowledge Fight?

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Super awesome.

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I really appreciate that.

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Thank you very much, Robert.

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What a cool fucking guy.

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That is a, yeah.

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What a cool guy.

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I, we talked to him, we talked to him for two hours and he's a fucking cool guy.

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Isn't it really weird to be at a point where two years ago we started this and no one gave

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me shit and now someone who like we respect and I like his show quite a bit is just out

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of nowhere recommending our show to people.

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That's very cool.

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It's very cool.

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And it couldn't have happened without all of you listening and we appreciate it.

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Absolutely.

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Especially the members of our Facebook group, which you could join.

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It's called Go Home and tell your mother you're brilliant.

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That's correct.

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And we're also on iTunes.

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You can leave a review that mentions Bill Cooper if you like.

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That's been very popular.

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But beyond that, man, I would say that, oh boy, I think that General Stubblebine probably,

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no, he was in the military for 32 years.

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He totally killed a guy.

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What the fuck?

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What are you talking about?

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Here's who I will say.

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I was just scrolling through and I saw Stubblebine's name and I'm like, well yeah, he just sort

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of thought he could walk through walls.

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He never killed anybody.

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He was in the military for 30 fucking years.

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Yeah.

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Nevermind.

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I will tell you this right now.

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Yeah.

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The spider leadership.

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That doesn't exist.

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That does not exist.

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They definitely never.

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I agree with you.

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Although they do sing Yum Yum.

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Yum Yum.

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Yum Yum time.

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Yum Yum time before they metaphorically.

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You know who else sings Yum Yum time?

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It's one guy who technically probably killed dude.

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That's Alex Jones.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.