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Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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Hello Alex, I'm a first name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight

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I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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I liked the I liked the opening you you kind of took over a little bit of my thing right there

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Nope couple dudes. Yeah. No I heard it. I heard it puberty has said in unfortunately. That's what that was so all

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Right that's the name of our next podcast right big news. I got a pube

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We have comedians in to talk about when they got their first pube uh-huh

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This is a show where we don't talk about that we talk about Alex Jones because I know a lot about him

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And I only know what you tell me indeed so and I also know that his beard looks like a big pube

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Yeah, one giant one giant hideous pube

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So Jordan we got we got some fun to go over today

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We got some slight not fun to go over today

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I feel a little bit out of sorts because we're recording this during the day

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Which is uncommon because you are at zany's and Rosemont this weekend

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Yeah, so if any if anybody's listening to this as it comes out on Friday you go check out Jordan stand-up still time

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Saturday night it's available

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Any of these things also, I'm just it's weird to like I just came from selling my blood

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Yeah, I know there's a reason that you're out of sorts. Yeah, did you eat a peanut butter sandwich?

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I remember that being important no no I didn't need a peanut butter sandwich

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But what I did do is I meant to go get some food, but I panicked at the the gross not the grocery store

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It's the corner store. I bought a bag of chips. Uh-huh so I ate some Doritos you panicked

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Yeah, I did. I don't know what that means in the context of a corner store

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Well one of the trademarks of Dan saw a bag of Cheetos, and I was like I can't handle this shit one of the things

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That's very consistent with me whenever I'm in a shopping situation is I'll end up overwhelmed by choices right

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I it's not that I think people are looking at me shopping or anything like that

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But I will panic about the idea of like if I think about this more

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I will be here for an hour right, so I just grab something and I'm almost always dissatisfied

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You're always dealing with the cereal aisle conundrum. Yes. Yeah about about a month ago

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I wanted to go get a candy I wanted to get a sweet treat from the grocery store right I went down there

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And they were out of the Haribo gummy bears, which are my favorite. Those are great. They have a good

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Chewiness good texture. Yeah, they were out of those and so I was looking over. I'm like I want fucking milk duds

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What the fuck I don't want whoppers get out of here, and then I saw a brightly colored bag of Twizzler

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Water on flavor wrong terrible. I accidentally grabbed them in a panic. Oh, no it was so bad

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Oh of course they were this happens to me all the time clothes food every who cares no need to go down this road any further

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So Jordan I tell you I found a new a new snack

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And that's the the Reese's bar. That's just covered with Reese's pieces Reese's outrageous. It is ridiculous

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I can't handle it. It's it's an overloaded flavor. I found that to be too busy. It's way too busy. I love it

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Yeah, well you may love that. I don't feel great about it, but something I do feel great about

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Is our new donor?

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Thank you. I'd like to give a shout out to some of our new donors that have joined up with team

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We appreciate it very much first of all I'd like to say thank you to Connor. You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. Thank you very much, sir now

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I'd like to give another thank you to someone who I think has one of the cooler names that we've

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Experienced here, and I mean Big Tim is gonna be up there for a while is up there has Dean Adele donate to us yet

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No, no no no eyes on Dean Adele

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But this very exciting to have this person as a policy wonk. Thank you so much soda spider. You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you much. All right. What is it? Is that like is that like a spider that likes soda?

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That is made of soda. I would assume. It's the liking that that gets the the name

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That's that's my guess and I'm sticking to it. Okay. I don't like spiders, but I'll take a soda spider

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Is it a sure is it short for a Minnesota spider? Oh, that's a great. No because it's SODA

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TA if it was right right also

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I'd like to say thank you to someone who came in at a bit of a higher level which we appreciate

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Oh, so very much. I'd like to say out there to Jonathan. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat

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I'm a policy wonk

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Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark

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Jar-jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little little titty, baby

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I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Jonathan. Love it so much

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We appreciate all of you

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Oh so very much

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And if you would like to support the show and what we do you may do so by going to our website knowledge fight calm

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Oh, no, so oh boy, we will see 99% of the way there guys pretty soon

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A poll up on our Facebook group called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant to decide document which documentary will do

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So that's very exciting stuff on the future also before we get down to business

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I'd like to give a little bit of a shout out. I guess to the behind the bastards podcast very nice

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They gave us a little mention there nice of them to mention us in passing

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Blinking you'll miss it

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Still very nice of them. I do appreciate it. I wish they would have gotten in touch with us quite

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Frankly because there are little things that could have really helped put things into context like for instance

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I got a tweet from one of our one of our peeps

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Who listened to the latest episode and they mentioned that the they mentioned the human resources director of infowars?

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But don't mention that it's Alex Jones's dad. They don't mention that it's his dad, right?

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So there's stuff like seems like the only thing to mention the world or it could be David Bowie's eat. That's true

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But he's just you get distracted by the quote of like it's a yeasty environment. Yeah, that is tough not notice that oh my god

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It's David Joe. Okay. Yeah, there's just stuff like that

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I think they did a fine job, but at the same time

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I think we could have really beefed up some of their their points, but oh well such is life

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Anyway, thanks for the shout out. We appreciate it. Absolutely. I worry that I'm sounding petty and I don't mean a bit

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I don't I promise I don't mean to be no, I know that just that is just one of those details that

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How could you expect it? Even if you were reading over it and you were like, oh, it's David Jones

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Why would you think that it's his dad? That's it is like

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Yeah, I know but even then a lot of people have the last name Jones

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Well, he was Deanna, but if you listen to Alex Jones's show at all, you know that he talks about how his family works there

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Yeah, so you would already have some inclination that like wait, this is person named Jones who works there

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There's probably a connection and you'd look a little bit into it. You'd find Oh, David Jones is his dad

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Oh does dad own Castle Dental Oh Alex Jones used to suspiciously have the same address for infowars as his dad's dental office

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Huh?

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Anyway, anyway, look we got some business to do today Jordan Dewey. Yes today

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Talk about Space Jam 2 with Ryan Coogler and LeBron James. That's the order of

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the star order. Ryan Coogler did Black Panther

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LeBron James is an unknown entity as far as acting goes. He's very very charismatic

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He's very charismatic. He's the hell out of that movie. Yeah, although as some of our friends have tweeted and I agree with him

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We didn't need the first Space Jam. How dare you? Don't know if we need this one. How dare you? Please

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That's the most Monstar thing to say of you and now see the best part about that movie was the Monstar's theme

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Which was done by Coolio. Be real. Wait, what? Be real from Cypress Hill, Red and Meth

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And I can't remember. I think LL Cool J. They were the Monstars. It is crazy. Really? Yeah, there's a music video for it

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That's really awesome

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Right. Well then we gotta get the band back together. Coogler give us a call

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I feel like DMX might be on that song too. I'm not sure. That can't be true. It's a crazy line up. That can't be true. Also

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Redman might only appear in the video. I think Method Man's the only one actually rapping. Be that as it may

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That's the best part of Space Jam. I pissed off that everyone liked that R. Kelly song cuz Monstar's anthem is better

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Hit em high, hit em high, hit em low, hit em low

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All right

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That's another issue we have with Behind the Bastards. They make zero references to Space Jam. I feel like that soundtrack also had that song

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Basketball Jones

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Oh, yeah, it for sure had Basketball Jones on there. No

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Let's stop this

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Edit this all out. No. Jordan, today we're going over March 6th through 8th

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2009. Okay

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2009. We cannot record during the day. Blade Runner 2047. So we talked about on the last episode from 2009

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We talked about how Alex Jones had the biggest news of all time

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Yeah, which was that Avian Flu release that wasn't. H5N1. Right.

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Alex made a big deal out of this by misquoting sources pretending that 9-eleven blogger was actually mainstream Czechoslovakian

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Sorry, Czech Republic news

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And we I predicted very strongly that

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Two things. One, he was going to keep talking about this for a long time as his main narrative

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Yes, and two, the way he was describing his reaction to the news

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I thought he had the flu. Right. I was pretty sure about that. Right.

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So I was not surprised at all when I opened up a March 6th episode

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Jason Burmas was hosting. Alex had to take a sick day.

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I am almost certain he had the flu

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He was talking about sweating, the room spinning, he was upset at his stomach. He doesn't show up for work the next day

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They obviously had the bug

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Well, it's nice to have confirmation on our theories. That is nice

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Nothing but circumstantial evidence on this one

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Awesome. So March 8th comes around. It's the Sunday show

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So he's had Saturday to sort of heal his wounds as well. Friday off, Saturday off. Reconcile with his stomach. Absolutely

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They they reached rapprochement. You gotta stop that

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And so we get to the 8th and Alex is in a very strange place

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Had a lot of fever dreams. He may have. He wants to talk a lot about guns

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And he uses some really bad examples to talk about them. Like sort of guns

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Plus the oppressive state that's going on. And so the first one that he brings up is

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It's bad

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Also every day I see articles from even the south. You think this only goes on in places like Boston

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In Massachusetts or in places like Connecticut

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Those are the only people. Where people legally go to the gun shop

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They buy some guns and the police pull them over and charge them for having a arsenal

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There's no law, but they still go to prison

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Now you're saying how does that happen? Well people go to prison all the time for not taking vaccines

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There's no law. I've had listeners and it's been in the newspaper. In Lyon County, Kentucky, Kelly Rushing

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Gave the state police some of my videos. The police arrested him and said it was threatening

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And said that they didn't appreciate the material in my film Road to Tyranny

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It was also a Ron Paul video and I called the judge up at home

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And he said yeah, you can watch the court case

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I'm not gonna comment on it

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It was in the newspaper and they took him in there and tried to put him in prison and the jury said not guilty

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They said it was terrorism to hand out my videos. Then we have the state police being trained on their own

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Video footage around the country that freedom is terrorism. I'm not joking when I say this

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I want you to understand something. So that part at the end there is we already talked about a little bit that idea that

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People are being taught that the founding fathers were terrorists. Yeah, which if you look at it objectively they were

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Yeah, that doesn't mean that their objective was evil or wrong or anything like that

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But the methods they employed were terroristic. So that that's just I wanted to reinforce that he keeps talking about that

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Yes, this you get arrested with an arsenal of guns in your car

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That specific story is going to come up later

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But he uses that as a jump-off to talk about you get arrested for not taking vaccines

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Then he tries to pull a specific example of that and he can't the only thing he can come up with is this Kelly Rushing

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Who got arrested for handing out copies of Alex's DVDs? Yeah now

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How is it that was that was the DVD?

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Material the crime. Hmm, or was there some other crime that it may have occurred

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Well see the way Alex presents it this idea that you get arrested for handing out info wars videos

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That would be he'd have a great point if he was just charged with terrorism and arrested for that in reality

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I'm gonna read to you from the Kentucky police press release quote

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Investigators with the Kentucky State Police are attempting to deal with a flood of calls coming into post

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After Kentucky State Police investigation was discussed on a syndicated radio program this afternoon on December of 15th

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2003 to trooper Louie Dodd arrested 53 year old Kelly Rushing of Fredonia

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Kentucky on charges of menacing and terroristic threatening

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Rushing is accused of placing anti-government propaganda in the mailbox of trooper Dodd

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Radio talk show host Alex Jones discussed the Russian case on his radio show which aired on today's date

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After the show was over post one received more than 50 calls from people airing their concerns with the case

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The calls ended up tying up

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Emergency dispatch personnel and phone lines that are normally used for regular police business

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Most of the calls were from people living in the Midwest and the West Coast

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so

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He ended up inconveniencing the emergency response system in

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Kentucky Alex Jones directly responsible for that by lying about the situation

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This guy was meddling with people's mailboxes. That's a federal crime

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You can't just put things in people's mailboxes. You can't no really. Yes. I did not know that no

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Anything in a mailbox. No, it's a mailbox. No, it's just a box. No

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You really can't the mailbox is technically considered to be property of the like federal government or whatever

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so you you can't interfere with the like

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a distribution and collection of the mail

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Oh, it's it's because you could just leave a bomb in someone's mailbox right shit like that

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It's very there. There are reasons for these laws being in place

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So this trooper had this Kelly Russian guy leave this propaganda in his mailbox, which is a crime

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That's why we arrested him for it. Oh, that's it's not like he's standing out in the middle of like public space and be our

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quantity VD okay, it's a crime now if Alex wanted to say it shouldn't be a crime to put things in someone's mailbox that they

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Don't want in their mailbox could have that conversation. It's a different conversation. You could have it

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I mean you could have mailed it could have done that if you'd mail

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Do you if you had mailed the the DVD then it's not illegal

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They wouldn't be illegal cuz then it's processed through all of the x-ray scans then everybody knows

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It's not a bomb except it is it's a true bomb. You're damn, right?

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Also, I don't believe Alex actually did call the judge, but if he did that's possibly pretty illegal at best

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That's ex parte communication. And at worst it could be seen as trying to intimidate a judge. Yeah, but calling him at home

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Yeah, that's not good. No, I don't think you should do that. My advice if you don't do that if it's deemed intimidation

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Then that's illegal if it's ex parte communication. It could influence the judge to go against Kelly rushing in the case

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Yeah, because it could be seen as like these people are trying to meddle with the case probably on his behalf

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Yeah, so it I don't think he did it

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But if he did it's one of the stupidest things you could do in a court case

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so then after all of this shit goes down Alex is going

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And a bunch of people who are nowhere near Fredonia, Kentucky

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Yeah called like 9-1-1 over and over and over again

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Yep called they're like this is evil right and then like a couple of people died. Mm-hmm

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Maybe I mean who knows I don't know the stats on that

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So I told you that at the beginning of that clip he's bringing up this idea of you get arrested

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You have an arsenal in your car and what have you yeah, I have an arsenal. I think that's I think that's okay

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I'm fine with that. So here's where he gets to the introduction of that specific story. You vaguely talked about it already

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Here's some specifics

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Police arsenal found in Danbury teens truck and that she's 18 years old. He went legally bought some rifles

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He was going to shoot him with his buddies in Maine

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ahead of a wedding that he was going to attend the police pulled him over and he had four rifles and they freaked out and

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Flipped out and they were all legal semi-automatic rifles and they still arrested him and they're charging him and there's no law

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But they don't care they don't care. So that's the beginning of the narrative

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I'm gonna say that he's wrong about a number of details. But before I get into the specifics

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I'm gonna let Alex hang himself a little more in this next clip, but do you have any you were writing some notes down?

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Yeah, I don't know if you had a thought. Yeah, I don't like I don't like a teen

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Shooting rifles ahead of a wedding because that to me suggests that the wedding is like his ex-girlfriend or shot

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I don't like shotgun wedding. Yeah, I don't like I don't like any of that. Yeah, I like that it

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I understand why you don't like it

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But you got to suck it up a little bit in terms of that because it's not like if someone wanted to go

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Shoot at the range or something like that to celebrate their wedding

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I don't think that there's anything wrong with that if it makes you uncomfortable then that something you need to deal with

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No, I don't think there's anything wrong with it

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It just to me is a weird thing to do here in this next clip Alex gets I think that you're right to be a little

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bit

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You're you're you're sort of the vibe sensor is going off. You're getting a bad vibe. Yeah, I'm getting a bad vibe and it's

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Mmm, way worse than you can imagine and I see these stories every day and normally it's preceded by

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You know bill was an insurance salesman living in an upscale home at a barbecue

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He told his neighbors the economy was going to collapse. I mean, I've seen literally hundreds of stories just like this. I

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Thought you were gonna go with the primus version

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I was definitely going with Tom Waits on that. All right

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You can pull him up and bill told his neighbors

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The economy was going to collapse and that they need to get storeable food and buy

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Firearms and that he had quite a bit of firearms the police raided his home and confiscated 15 firearms

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Ooh, and they're investigating to see if he's a terrorist and then I wonder they had states laws

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I've seen this in Texas, Ohio

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You name it?

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It's not even illegal and then we'll call the person up over and over again

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I'll have my producers these people and 99% of the time they go my lawyer says don't talk my lawyer says I got a plea

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To this but wait, it's not illegal

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I know but but you know, they're they're just saying that if I plead they won't put me in prison for 20 years

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I'll just be on probation and

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A few times that a bad deal one. They've listened to me. It's gotten the point

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I don't even call these people up anymore. But you know what? Let's do it again this week. I'm gonna call

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This gentleman up a 18 year old city resident is in a Massachusetts jail after state police said they found an arsenal in his truck

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Luke s

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Who Zinga

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Was on his way to a wedding in Maine when a state trooper pulled him over for a minor traffic violation

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It goes on he had a bushmaster semi-automatic. He had a shotgun why he had some knives. Oh my gosh

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I don't like it goes on and on it shows the pocket knives. They're so deadly

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And he was going up there to shoot with his bodies

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So Alex is gonna reach out and help this Luke who Zinga. Yeah

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This is another bad case for Alex to be rallying behind

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Yeah to hear Alex tell it this innocent kid with four semiotic rifles is getting pulled over by police and shaken down for being a good

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Citizen no reason to pull him over in reality

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If you review the police report he was pulled over because he swerved across lanes which police often considered to be suspicious behavior

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When the police pulled Luke over they found his responses to questions to be evasive

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And being that it was 1220 in the morning, and he had swerved that could be an indication of impairment or worse

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They had him get out of the truck and patted him down which turned up bullets on his person

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So they searched his truck. They did not find four rifles

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They found a rifle with a night scope added which is perfect for those late nights at the shooting range with your buddies

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No, no

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thank you 12 gauge shotgun two high-capacity magazines five knives brass knuckles and a bulletproof vest with armor plating so

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he's

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Just just going to the cigar shop

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That's gonna go shoot with his buddies

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His mother was quoted in the paper as saying that he was quote a sportsman and gun enthusiast who is familiar with guns

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Perhaps a little too much. Yeah, maybe that's what his mom said a little too familiar with guns

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So while possession of most firearms is not illegal owning high-capacity magazines is usually a really bad sign

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Brass knuckles aren't super useful against a deer and we all learn from the case. It's not true. That's not true

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Generally speaking, okay, and we all learn from the case of ODB that it can be illegal to have a bulletproof vest because you know

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It implies that you may find your way into a situation where you're getting shot at like for instance

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If you were to go shoot at some people. Oh

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And also he was transporting these guns across state lines. No, so even if they're perfectly legal now

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They're not right. You see he's saying that this day this kids from Danbury, which is in Connecticut

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He got arrested in Massachusetts and he was going to Maine

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So you would have crossed multiple state lines with all of these guns, even if they're registered in Connecticut

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You can't carry an arsenal across state lines without a good reason shooting with your buddies before a wedding is not a good reason

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Anyway, it's easy to hear a story like this and have some empathy for Luke. He's 18 years old

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This could easily be a misunderstanding on the part of a kid who loves guns too much

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It doesn't realize that he's headed down an antisocial path. You think maybe this run-in with the cops will set him straight

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It didn't. Oh no. In 2016 Luke Huizinga was arrested after his living girlfriend told police

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He quote assaulted her including chaining her up against her will and engaging in bondage type sex

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His friend Joshua McGuire told police to be careful when they went to arrest him because he's always armed

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Quote McGuire called Huizinga a prepper who may want to go down in a blaze of glory according to the arrest affidavit. Oh

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Yeah

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Guys there's always domestic abuse. They're always always there always

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Quote the investigation of the woman's claim in late August led police to serve a warrant on Huizinga's home

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Which was followed by search warrants for the property and his vehicles

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The state police emergency response team was called to the home that night finding what they considered items used for the manufacturing

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Of firearms and bombs. Oh, that's not good

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You shouldn't have those. The home turned out to hold a trove of weapons gun parts

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Pounds of black powder and milk crates ammo containers and a bin that held thousands of rounds of ammunition

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Along with the hunting along with the items police say they found a sound suppressor referred

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To as a silencer made from the metal body of a mag light flashlight that threaded onto the end of a 22 caliber gun barrel

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So he made his own silencer. Yep from a flashlight. That's not a good sign

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That's not a good sign in the basement authorities

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So they found 80% AK style gun receivers which serve as frames for the guns other parts there with a few mechanical

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Alterations and additional parts could be made into working firearms in some cases those types of receivers sometimes referred to as blanks

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Don't hold serial numbers that are used to track their ownership and could be purchased online

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Oh, is that why they they don't have those is that why they don't go buy guns legally?

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Ah, it's so they can you know, buy all the parts which is not illegal and then make their own gun

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Which are unregistered and untraceable, right? And then you sell those to somebody who just wants to go hunting damn. Absolutely

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They just want to go hunting and they don't want the government in their business. They're all good citizens

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Yeah, his girlfriend told police that Luke had an unpredictable temper and then in 2011 just two years after

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I think he had a predictable temper just about I think it's very predictable to imagine

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He has a temper in 2011 just two years after this Alex Jones episode was broadcast

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He threw a knife at her which stuck into the wall above her head

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After they had a kid Luke did not mellow and become a good dad when their child was two to four months old

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He would spank her to stop her from crying leaving bruises on her thighs

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She also told police that he saw him cover their child's mouth to quiet her which is super fucked up

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That is really not the way to do it

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You might say

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Luke would also slap choke and tie up his girlfriend. Even when she would say that she did not want him to do

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So she also told the police that Luke had made a lot of money off selling unregistered guns

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So maybe the police weren't out of line pulling this guy over

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Maybe they were incredibly perceptive when they caught a weird vibe off him when they pulled him over much like you did

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When you heard the beginnings of the story, this guy is a bad dude. Yeah

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Yeah, I don't I don't I don't think he is a good insurance salesman though. No, that's a that's a different guy

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No, I know but he everybody he's also an insurance from what I understand from that report

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He was working as like a construction thing like his dad's business. Oh, yeah cool and selling guns

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Look, it's a gig economy dad, right? You got to have multiple irons in the fire. It's you gotta have hustles

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Yeah, come on. I sell my blood these guys sell guns. Yeah. Yeah unregistered guns again used purely for hunting

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So now we have Kelly rushing the example that Alex is using. It does not match up with the reality

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I assume that later on in the radio show

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He would revisit this story and then apologize and say, you know, sometimes not a chance. Oh, no, he doesn't do that

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so then he also has this Luke Huizinga thing where he's just going off the

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The inaccurate reading of the actual incident and then now because we live in the future

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We know what this guy is all about. He's an abuser and a violent

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gun arms dealer basically

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And so these are not good examples for our defending

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Or in fact, they are examples that Alex would be defending 100%

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Yeah, so now Alex pivots and gets into some stuff from his own life

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and one time myself and who was it Roger Raceler later a UT football player a few years younger than me and his brother Alex Raceler

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Were driving and by the way, he was valedictorian of his class. Now is like a top not an important detail point is no criminal record

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Guys, I left the weights with

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And we're driving to go to the shooting range and there's and we've got four rifles in the back and some handguns

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and a lot of guns

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State police pull us over go through the guns ask us why we've got them

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They get on the radio the cop wants to do something to us and his superiors tell him don't I mean that's this country is down

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The toilet it is down the toilet

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We have turned into a secret police degenerate nation

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Hey Alex, you know why the cops were concerned you were driving around with a bunch of guns and a minor in your car an

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Unrelated a minor that he the way he tells that story

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There's literally no way for this Roger Raceler to be over 18

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He says he's a few years younger than him, but also says he would later go to UT

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So he's clearly talking about a time when this kid was in high school. I

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Don't like it when high school kids have guns damn I don't either I don't like them being around other people who are named Alex Jones

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Who have at least five or six guns in the car that that's why the cops were concerned

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Yeah, I think that's probably a good thing

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if

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your

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definition of when a country goes down the toilet is I can't ride around at 18 with

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4-7 guns in the backseat and a minor in the car with no supervising adult when I can't do that

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I know this country's gone down the toilet. Absolutely. That is a low fucking bar

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That is a low bar. Yeah

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Hmm

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He knows that in his ideal world a lot of people get shot right like a lot of the time. No

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Imagine this is like the this is unforgiven. Like he's these are Clint Eastwood characters. You're dumb. You're

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Because

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Once everybody has a gun

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No one will ever shoot anybody because they know that the other person has a gun

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Which also kind of indicates any ever seen a movie it kind of indicates like

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Maybe he didn't learn anything from the like all of those westerns where it's a quick draw

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Everybody has a gun and everybody shoots at each other all the time

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Yeah, I think that's I think that's he misses a little bit of the nuance of that and just thinks that like hey

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It'll be a good just deterrent. It'll dissuade anybody from shooting another person because they know they've got a gun

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You know how no country goes to war with each other because they all have bombs

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Oh my god, these people are trying to get us all killed. It's very dumb. So I believe that story from Alex though

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I believe that he was in that car with a minor and guns and the cops were like, hey, this is fucked up

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They called it in they're like, yeah, let him go with a warning or something like that

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It wasn't it probably wasn't worth it. He probably did have the right paperwork or whatever for the guns

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So who gives a shit and they are in Texas?

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So they're like, well who doesn't have six to twelve guns in their backseat at all times and the other cop

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We've heard him talk about pulling him over was a literal Nazi. Yeah, Nazi tattoos. So who knows what's going? Hey

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so

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This next clip Alex tells a story these are the guns that I do not believe at all

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Sandra Bullock, you know what I'm saying now

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They watch these shows and so then when they're in your house

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I had a carpet cleaner one time try to call the police on me for a shotgun on the wall real quick

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This is after he's complaining about how like cop shows make everyone think that owning guns are illegal

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So everyone watches the shows and then they're scared of guns

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So he's got a shotgun up on his wall and this carpet cleaner is all scared. Hold on

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Back before I had children in my broadcast studio out of my house had a shotgun right up on the wall

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Had a gun safe right next to it. You bet got a shotgun

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And that guy started freaking out about it

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I'm not gonna clean this room that guns illegal because it was black and I guess scary

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And I was just like what do you know?

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There should be a newspaper article leading a gun rally on the cover of the Metro and state and I held up the newspaper

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I said see me on the newspaper

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At a Second Amendment rally. It's not illegal for me to have that gun

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But I had a bad feeling and I called the carpet cleaning place one of the bigger ones here in town

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They drive yellow trucks. Let's leave it at that and the manager said yes, mr. Jones

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He did want to call the police. We explained to him. It's not illegal

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You understand the country we live in. I don't believe anything about that story. Nope. I don't believe I don't believe anybody called him

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Yes, mr. Jones

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Maybe I mean if you're in a service capacity someone would it's a polite thing. Yeah, you still call him Alex

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Maybe a train so

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So black guns are scary, yeah

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You and white guns would not be scary gray, maybe

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I'm just saying it's not great. But I mean it's worse because I don't believe the story

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So it's an extraneous detail that's pulling into this clearly fabricated story

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I don't think any carpet cleaner be like, oh my god, you have a shotgun on your wall a decorative gun

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I'm not gonna clean your carpet

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silly

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well, I mean the shotgun was

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a connected to a series of

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Home-alone style traps like a Rube Goldberg. Yeah, were you to open the door unsafely? Sure. You would be shot by that guy

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But that's technically mechanism. Yeah

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He doesn't have a dog. You might as well rig up a murder machine

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The other story he tells is like he put a bunch of guns in his car because he was gonna go on like a trip

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Like a hunting trip or something like that

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when he was a younger man and then like the police came while he was away because a neighbor called because he was putting all these

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Guns in his car and he's like, oh my god, isn't this just just tyranny and like yeah neighbors are nosy

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That's hack stand-up material, you know, like yeah old bitty next door won't stop getting in your business

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That's kind of like that's that's a trope of bad television bad stand-up. Just the idea of like

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A nosy neighbors. So yeah. Hey, that sucks. That's not about the government. That's about your neighbor

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I wouldn't be I wouldn't feel like I was being a nosy neighbor if I walked by and my neighbor was loading a shit ton

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Of guns into a car. I think that would just be responsible behavior. I would be like, hey what's going on here?

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Oh, I'm going on. I'm going on a camping hunting trip. Cool

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I'm not gonna ask a question to a man loading six guns into a car

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You assume that if you have live next door to somebody, maybe you have some

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familiarity some right some

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Collegiality. Yeah, maybe I don't understand the multiple gun thing like it

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Whatever happened to trusty rifles, you know, whatever happened to just bringing one

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Well, you might be going with multiple people. Also, you might want to use different guns for different circumstances

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You know, like if you're up in a tree stand, you might want one gun if you're out shooting rabbits

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You might want a different gun. So if you're going out, I understand that. I don't think that's all that weird

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So you're not hunting you're laying waste to an ecosystem that it's sort of yeah

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Every type of animal in this area that I am going to yeah, okay

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So at this point Alex jumps off the gun shit and gets to what we knew he was going to do

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Which is talking more about this

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Baxter

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International slash bio test. Yeah mix-up that happened which again wasn't Baxter's fault. It was bio tests the lab in check the Czech Republic

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He gets back to that narrative. It's evolved a little bit now and then it goes to a really bad place, which I

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Regret we have to talk about but we do what happened is Baxter pharmaceuticals based in the u.s

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mailed to 18 of its subsidiary factories in Europe

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With

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The orders to mix

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H in

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H5 in one avian flu virus the deadly type that kills more than 60% of the people that come in contact with it a

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horrible death your lungs fill up with water you die

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It has a higher kill rate with young children and old people

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So they shift this out has nothing to do with a regular flu vaccine

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but it's mixed at 18 different locations in the big test batches nope and

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The scientists that are reporting on this in the Canadian French German check news. We have quotes

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In stories we've written up on info wars.com that link to all this that are kind of boiled downs of all this news

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9-eleven blogger this is so important. I recommend you read all the articles on it to fully grasp it

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This is the perfect way to mutate

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The bird flu the deadly bird flu

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into a super airborne flu

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So the the only real evolution of the narrative is now there's 18 places

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Which again is just a reflection of the places that got things from this lab in the Czech Republic

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Yeah, we're in only three of them. Well, actually there's three countries that were named in the original articles

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But that doesn't mean there weren't multiple places. Oh multiple sites in Germany gotcha or Austria or Slovenia

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Okay, that could have gotten the samples from so the 18 number

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I'm not super like I didn't want to dig more into this narrative because I know

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What the truth is of the bigger picture. So if there were 18 places, yeah, absolutely. That's possible

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But they were all places that got things from bio test the lab in the Czech Republic

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So this all is just like okay

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You're you're and saying that you have all this like linked boil downs of the the news and stuff like that

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It's like you you you have 9-eleven blogger being misrepresented by Paul Joseph Watson. Yeah, we don't need to beat a dead horse about this

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But my prediction is correct. He's talking about it a bunch

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I don't have a bunch of it in because he brings it up a bit

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It's just the same thing. It's just they're trying to create this pandemic. Yeah, the globalists are off the chain whoop-de-doo

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Yeah, well the thing that he does that's really insidious is immediately after saying bio test

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He says no, which is better whatever Baxter

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Which is based in the u.s. Which gives you the idea that Baxter based in the u.s.

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sent to the samples right not the

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Laboratory in the Czech Republic, but that it goes sample

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That's the impression that you would get if you read the 9-eleven blogger exactly

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Yeah, and I actually did a little it sounds like it's coming from the globalists here, right?

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Disseminated and then it'll be sent back here in order to kill him of illness. Yes, exactly

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Now the I looked into it a little more and I found that the 9-eleven blogger isn't like a person

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It's a site where a bunch of people can contribute blog posts. Oh, so this post was actually put up just by some guy

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Oh, yeah, it wasn't it wasn't even some blogger who might have credible

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Standing which I don't think 9-eleven blogger would anyway doubtful, but it's some like online anonymous

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Contributor to 9-eleven blogger. Yeah, even another level of like

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Nonsense, which is bullshit because at least in 9-eleven we knew who the contributors were

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Saudi Arabia

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The globalist Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

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Bill Clinton Larry Nichols, yeah for sure

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Damon Dash Damon Dash

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Rockefeller Records

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Absolutely, they're Illuminati related

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They're Illuminati adjacent. They did fucking 9-eleven just so jay-z could make empire state of mind

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That was after 9-eleven no, it was released on 9-eleven not Empire. Oh, no. Yeah, I'm sorry

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I was thinking of the blueprint my bad in new

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Yeah, that's never would have flown if New York weren't the victim of a terrorist attack

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It was all a cash grab that off years later when a bunch of keys and jay-z got together to make Empire state of mind

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I'm standing by this. I'm gonna put up a post on 9-eleven blogger now

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Hold on

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But the best thing to come out of that song was whenever it was combined with the bacon pancake song from adventure time

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So are you saying that adventure time is really the architect behind adventure time is the metaphorical Saudi Arabia

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Of this conspiracy those pages are redacted. I don't know. This is a lot of nonsense

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So Jordan, here's where things get ugly

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Because Alex Jones in order he's got weak shit about this avian flu business

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So what he needs to do is he needs to relate it to other narratives that he has

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And he pitches out and so he chooses one that's particularly ugly and dark

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And this is not going to be fun to talk about but I think it's very important to in terms of understanding

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The way Alex Jones does his dirty work. So in in a rating scale of how this is gonna go. Is this

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Six guns out of ten guards and the guns in the back of your car, maybe or like it's a gun situation

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Oh boy, I thought I would go back

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You can just google HIV hepatitis in factor eight

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Into Google and you'll get hundreds of news articles

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MSNBC pieces where they admit that

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Bayer the big parent company of a bunch of these conglomerates

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knowingly

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For years shit and this was ongoing until 2000 all over the world shipped out HIV filled factor 8

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blood clotting agent that's injected

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The media always calls it a vaccine it really isn't no they don't

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And it's also filled with hepatitis and it turned out they knowingly did this and who was involved in that as well

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Baxter pharmaceutical the same one now what's interesting here is the mainstream European press big newspapers

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Republican others are saying was this done on purpose to cause a pandemic

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Because Baxter separately is trying to get approval for a bird flu vaccine

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So that's not how much Jones saying that that's mainstream news in Europe. No, it is 9-eleven bloggers saying that those are the

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editorializing on 9-eleven blogger that Alex is reporting as

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Czech media saying these things. Yeah now but who checks the checks now real quick Baxter was, you know working on a

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H5n1 vaccine, but they wouldn't actually get approval for it until October of 2009

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So the idea that was pitched by his guest on the last episode the lady who lost her medical license for being crazy

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Years prior. Yeah, the idea that they had stockpiles of this flu vaccine that they needed to sell thus

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They create this pandemic

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It doesn't fly because they didn't get approval until October now the idea that they did this in order to get approval

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For the vaccine that they were creating also doesn't make sense

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Because like I said this all happened at the beginning of February Alex is reporting on it a month later

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They wouldn't get approval for another six months after this

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So the idea that they were trying to fast-track that somehow doesn't track like they were already in the process

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Of getting it through they'd gotten

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Preliminary approvals for right back right and it didn't speed up the process at all

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If anything it probably caused them to have to take slower steps because as we learned from the investigation from the Office of Nuclear

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Safety in the Czech Republic

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One of the things they found was that that a VR a VR Green Hills was applying pressure to bio test

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To make things move faster for their research. Okay in January of 2000, right?

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Right, so the fact that that was part of the conclusions that they found probably led them to have to slow things down a little

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Bit leading to them getting approval in October of 2009 for the vaccine, right? So all of that doesn't really make sense

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It's just conspiratorial like what if kind of stuff right right now. I have a quick question for you. I gotcha

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Why put HIV and hepatitis in the same? Well

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Here's the big this are those the only viruses he knows

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No, but this is where things are gonna get real bad and part of the reason is that Alex is talking about a real thing

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But he is really being unfair about it

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So in the early 1980s, there was an outbreak of cases of AIDS that appeared to be directly related to the use of blood products

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Particularly factor 8 which is a clotting factor drug used by hemophiliacs to make it so their blood can clot properly

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They have to take injections of this clotting factor

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Usually two to three times a week or else they'll end up with internal bleeding or if they get a cut

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It won't stop bleeding. Yeah, that's hard. It's very like hemophilia is awful

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I mean, it's manageable but like the way you have to manage it is an intense process that sucks. I watched a documentary about

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Some of this stuff and then also just the life of hemophiliacs

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Right and like there was a couple that are raising twin

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Hemophiliac children and they were showing like their cabinet that was just full of gauze and syringes Wow and the amount you have to

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Like really adjust and learn how to find a vein and that stuff

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yeah, isn't something you're expecting as a as a parent is just like it really it got me a little emotional because also the

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dad it was talking about how like it's a real treat to raise these kids and like even with all of this like very

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Logistical trouble they like he's in this documentary and those kids will grow up and see that like it's just very moving

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yeah, that that kind of love that you can see so that we wouldn't even have this problem if it weren't for the inbreeding of

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the

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Royals in Europe

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I don't know if that's necessarily where you could trace it all back to but certainly those are some of the first cases

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That are reported. Yeah, but it's possible that a lot of people before that had it died and they just didn't know

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Well, yeah, cuz I mean back then they would have died at like

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Two. Yeah, they would have died in infancy and like they never would have found the internal. Yeah

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Yeah, so like there's there's like that that's the case with all the vampires though true

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That's the case with all of Alex's like a medical woo, which is that idea that like like hey

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There's so much more of XY and Z now. It's like well there was before we just didn't know how to trace it

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Right, right. You know, we just didn't know what it was

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so

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Drugs such as this factor eight clotting drug

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They're made from the human blood and blood products like plasma in the late

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1970s and early 80s. No one understood what AIDS or HIV was and there was no test for it

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So plasma and blood collected in that time period could not be screened for something that doctors did not know to look for

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Companies looking to make the most profit naturally cut corners and many of them would resort to collecting plasma from impoverished communities

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I agree which have a high the highest incidence of being IV drug users and in some cases even from prisoners who also have a

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very high rate of drug abuse

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So if I understand correctly

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Bayer in order not just Bayer not just larger larger issues these companies

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Would just take blood from prisoners. I'm sure it was voluntary. But yeah, yeah, but I'm sure they were compensated

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But yeah, really? Yeah, Jen general population. You're allowed it. You're considered a slave if you're a prisoner

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Well, but at the same time I sell my blood for plasma now

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Right and like I know from doing this as much as I have they still target the impoverished

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Yeah, so that part hasn't changed. Yeah, but capitalism is great, but

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standards and practices have

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So as such a lot of the blood product that was being collected in the late 70s early 80s was contaminated with the as yet

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Unidentified HIV many hemophiliacs contracted AIDS from their clotting injections and overall

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There's no way to talk about this without being straightforward and saying this is an absolute tragedy

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once proper testing was available in October of 1984 the CDC was reporting that

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74% of hemophiliacs treated with the old version of factor 8 had tested positive for HIV. Holy fuck

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It's a crazy high amount that is insane where this tragedy becomes compounded is the cutter biological a unit of Bayer

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Continued selling that version of factor 8 even though a new safer heat treated version had become available

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They introduced this new version of factor 8 in February 1984 and did not fully stop selling the old dangerous version until July

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1985

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Alex says that it continued through 2000 and that is not correct gotta gotta

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Gotta make that last little bit of money guys

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So we're gonna get rid of all this old factor 8 who cares but you have to understand some of this context

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I'm gonna go over this and this might be a little bit too exhaustive and I want to say up front

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I am NOT a foremost scholar on the AIDS crisis or anything like that

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I read a bunch of reports from the National Institutes of Health some contemporary reports

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It's all some of the darkest

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Sadest stuff I ever read. Yeah, but and Reagan made it so much better

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See now this is part of what I'm talking about Alex when he talks about this factor 8 scandal

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There's a number of important things

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He's intentionally leaving out which are big parts of the context. The first is that companies of which Bayer is particularly at fault

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But Baxter International is in the mix too. They did ship these potentially tainted blood products out with foreknowledge

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but Alex is playing fast and loose about what they might have had foreknowledge of

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One of the things that has to be understood is that the time period Alex is discussing when blood product from people with HIV was

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Being used to make factor 8 was when Reagan was in office

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He was president through pretty much the entire 1980s, which is when the AIDS crisis was at its most tragic

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And one of the things that made it worse was that Reagan was someone who was staunchly opposed to any governmental regulation

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Including ones related to public health. So he was resistant to putting things in place that would have helped

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Mitigate the damage that was being done. He was also a giant homophobe

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Sure, but make no mistake. Even if everything was done perfectly some of these people would still have been infected

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yeah, just because of the

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lack of awareness

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And and maybe naivete on the part of of people before they knew what the problem was, right?

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So further it should be noted that the cause of AIDS was not known for years after the medical community began researching it

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From a June 24th 1983 publication from the National Institutes of Health quote the cause of AIDS is unknown

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But it seems most likely to be caused by an agent transmitted by intimate sexual contact through

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Contaminated needles or less commonly by a precontaneous inoculation of infected blood or blood products

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So even there in June of 1983, they're saying they don't know but it looks like this is what it is

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Yeah, so that is that is important because that means that there is not a consensus

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That means that there are people who are holding out and saying I don't know if we've proved that right

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So and not like we have today where there's the deniers the HIV. Yeah people like that

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It's large sections of the legitimate medical community are still not convinced

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Well, they weren't convinced that women had orgasms back then either so sure and they called them hysterical

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Yeah

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even once the medical community figured out that this was the primary means for transmission even in the National Institute of Health's May 10th

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1985 release they highlight another issue quote because the time from infection to onset maybe several years

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persons exposed to the virus through transfusion become or before

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institution of the self-deferential

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Guidelines for blood donors in 1983 and screening of blood for antibody in 1985 may remain at risk of AIDS

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Before 1983 there were no standards in place regarding blood donation

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It was a further two years after that the donation centers and implemented screenings, right?

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So in 1983 what they ended up doing is like voluntary questions that they'll ask people

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Yeah, and to be like, oh are you in a high-risk population, right?

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It was two years after that before they started screening their actual donors and since you're going into impoverished

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communities giving them small amounts of money to do which they need you know for sure that they would never ever lie to you on

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Those voluntary questionnaires those questions are like they're on the honor system, which isn't a way to do this now

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And that's why now they don't I mean they do still ask you those questions in case there are red flags

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Like did you get a new tattoo right or something like that? But they also test your blood exactly

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They want extensive tests now

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One of the main reasons that society at large didn't let take this crisis seriously

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Is that initially it was only affecting the gay community who at the time were much more marginalized than they are today

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Early on the disease was called grid or gay related immunodeficiency disease and as late as June

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1982 doctors were speculating that quote behavioral elements of the homosexual lifestyle were the cause even

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Suggesting that the disease might be caused by use of amyl nitrates or poppers

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When hemophiliacs and others who had received blood transfusions some as young as 20 months of age began to present with a disease

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Some doctors started to make that connection others felt that because the number of

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Transfusion related AIDS cases were so small compared to the number of people who received transfusions

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It was more likely that these cases were caused by an unrelated immune system suppression related to their existing conditions, right?

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Being a hemophiliac makes you gay. No, no. No. Oh, is that not it? You may be mixed up a little bit

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Oh, I mix it up. Okay. Sorry on January 4th 1983 the CDC held a public meeting to discuss opportunities to limit infections

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They discussed how blood banks should ask donors questions about their sexual behavior and run the blood through tests for things like hepatitis B

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Antibodies since there was no test for AIDS at the time and there seemed to be a correlation between hepatitis and AIDS

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Gotcha

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So they felt like it would be a good screen to test for something that they write to have a test for which is also

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Something that's far more common in the impoverished communities where they are getting these donations from you bet and that's one of the reasons that the

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Blood bank Association was like that's probably not a good idea that will make us have no

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Donors, right? So many at the meeting were not convinced that AIDS was a blood-borne disease yet and resisted these suggestions

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Additionally quote Dennis Donahue director of the FDA's division of blood and blood products stated that research on processes for inactivating

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Viruses and blood products was underway

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Donahue was hoping to find a way to get virus and blood products to be safe as opposed to making the existing blood supply free

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Of viruses which is the definition of backwards thinking but it is something that they ended up doing with pretty decent

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Results, so they wanted so he was saying that we're going to make this better in the future

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But all the stuff we already got that's still good. Well, no

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No, it's not quite it's not quite that way there's a heat treatment that they were able to do on new

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Samples that came through but they couldn't do it with the stuff that had already been processed, right?

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you'd have to do the heat treatment on the

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constituent parts of the

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Ingredients into the factor 8. Yeah as opposed to the factor 8 once it's already combined, right?

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So they did find I like to heat a little bit of garlic up whenever I put it in there, too

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they did find that that was a way that they could get around the fact that they didn't have a test screening for what they

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Were trying to keep out right of the right and so that helped in the short term

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But then once there were tests, you know

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they

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Anyway in early 1984 HIV was discovered and hypothesized as the causal agent of AIDS and by the middle of 1985 all blood banks

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and plasma centers implant

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implemented early screening tests

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However in October 1984 the CDC announced that the laboratory experiments showed that heat treatment process inactivated HIV

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So no, there was a little bit of period there. Yeah, that was the the solution people knew and they didn't change

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So in 2003 a New York Times article came out about how Bayer and their subsidiary cutter

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Biological sold millions of dollars worth of clotting factor to Asia and Latin American countries in the early 1980s, right?

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They did that gotcha while selling a newer safer product in the West

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Well, you got to get rid of the old shit now that this gets super complicated

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Bayer speaking on behalf of cutter

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commented to the New York Times quote

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cutter had continued to sell the old medicine that statement said because some customers doubted the new drugs effectiveness and

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Because some countries were slow to approve its sale. The company also said that a shortage of plasma

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Used to make the medicine had kept cutter from manufacturing more of the new product

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quote decisions made nearly two decades ago were based on the best scientific information of the time and were consistent with the

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Regulations in place the statement said as it relates to regulations

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That's probably a fair point and to the point of fears about the effectiveness about is absolutely something that's backed up by history

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Yeah from an article in the Irish Times quote

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Fractionators that's blood product manufacturers were more fearful in 1984 of side effects caused by a heat treatment process that killed HIV

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Than of the virus itself a senior British fractionator said yesterday. Dr. James Smith told the inquiry that their dominant fear

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Then was of that heat treated products might cause a dangerous thrombogenetic reaction in patients

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This position gradually changed from mid 1984. He said but thrombogenicity

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thrombogenicity

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remained a major consideration into

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1985 so much so that British fractionators even delayed the release of a heat-treated concentrate until the completion of clinical trials

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so there is

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Reason to believe to some extent. Yeah, the people were

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hesitant to adopt this new safer version right now, I

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Don't care necessarily about that argument because the documents that have come out of cutters internal

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Workings do show a bit of a callousness to the idea of like

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Let's see if we can find markets that'll still buy this old stuff because there are many elements at play here

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But this was never an intentional attempt to infect people with AIDS

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The largest part of the story is unregulated capitalism with a background of a tragic public health crisis

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That was being worsened by a Republican administration who was reluctant to implement regulation

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This is a human tragedy that really really really really really bummed me out reading about

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and

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There's there's I stopped short of calling it evil, but it's pretty evil. It's evil

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It's pretty evil, but the beginnings of it aren't know the beginnings of it or ignorant, right?

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And then once you know about it, you have to change your behavior

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But instead but they just sold the they knew that it was that some of it not only could cause

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HIV but would I'm not I'm not defending that so they sent it to other places and then they sold the stuff that wouldn't cause

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HIV I'm not I'm not defending that at all and I'm not saying that it's okay

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I think and they ended up having to pay like 600 million in settlements to people which still isn't a nearly enough. I believe

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But the the I think they should be punished quite harshly

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But at the same time I think just based on us being

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Interested in finding out where Alex is lying and where the truth is of stuff

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I think it's pretty important to recognize that there were there was plausible deniability to a certain extent of

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Medical ignorance. Yeah, the idea that they kept selling it into July 1985 is fucked up

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but there is an argument to be made that they could find scientists and doctors who weren't crazy who

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Disputed the idea that their blood products could cause right HIV, right?

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So I don't you know what I don't I don't know what to do with it except to say

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This is the reality of the situation. This is what happened

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It's awful

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It hurt and killed a lot of people

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the reason it wasn't taken more seriously is the marginalization of the homosexual community and

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The bottom line dollars. Yeah

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And the lack of regulation that's all that that's the base of this story and Alex using it to be like

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Justifying his idea that the globalists are gonna set off a bioweapon because they gave all these people AIDS in the 80s

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Yeah is not fair. This is a tragedy and he's trying to capitalize off it in a way that's deeply

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Disrespectful to the people who hurt the most. Yeah, I don't know

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I just I deeply resent Alex's use of this this this thing and when you

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When you look into it and you like hear the people talk about their experience because there's a there's this documentary

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There was a guy named Dana Kuhn who was in this documentary called blood brothers

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He's someone he's a doctor

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Probably actually just he's a PhD. So not a medical doctor

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but he is a hemophiliac who ended up getting AIDS from the

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The his injections his clotting factor. Holy shit

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And so he had a he has a quote in this documentary that I thought was really poignant

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So we believe that hemophiliacs are the canaries in the coal mine of the blood supply

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As soon as something goes wrong with the blood supply. We're the first ones who will show evidence of it

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We are a warning system for the American people and as soon as they see something happen in the hemophilia community

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They better be aware that it's going to happen to the entire American public that is using blood

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So I think that that's probably the best way to look at this in terms of yeah

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This was something that was an unforeseen

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Tragedy that was born out of

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People not knowing. Yeah, and then resisting knowing much longer than they should have. Yeah

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But again, this is so important and it's not letting them off these companies off the hook. They're absolutely responsible

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But we're looking at this from a 2018 viewpoint

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Yeah

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we're looking at it through the scientific knowledge and the being raised largely in a period of time where we understood a lot more and

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When you have a situation like you had in the early 80s

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you'd

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There's a lot of up and down about it if that's okay if that's not okay to say but there's a lot

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there's a lot of things that aren't known and I don't I don't I

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I this is where it's so difficult because I don't believe that these companies acted in good faith

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Like I don't think that they did. I think they wanted to sell off these supplies of things that

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They didn't want to just destroy it

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But they didn't want to have to write off a huge warehouse exactly like but at the same time had the science been

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concrete and like really

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Understood as it is now. Yeah, I don't think that they would have acted this way

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You know what? I think they would want to but I don't think they would

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Because there are also regulations in place now

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They totally would if they could probably but again, there's the there's the added aspect of this that goes to like

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You know a car that has a defect that will cause X amount of deaths

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Yeah, they do the equations of like how much will a recall cost how much will settle in cases cost?

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Yeah, exactly and they you know, I think that a lot of businesses when allowed to behave that way do

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And this is another example of it, but it's just much much

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much more depressing and much sadder and with such

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Awful consequences for families because these are people in cultures like I was reading about in Taiwan

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There are a bunch of people who ended up getting HIV from the clotting factor and in the culture

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They were blamed for getting this disease

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Yeah, it would break up families because people were not taking like the parents of these people who got it would think there's something wrong

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With their kid. Yeah, and like it's just it's just such a tragedy

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So that was a really dark bit of research that I did

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but I think it's very important because Alex does bring up this factor 8 stuff a lot and

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His narrative is wrong, but the story is real and that is

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That's always an unfortunate place to come with Alex where you have to be like, well, yeah that did happen

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But you're not looking at the the picture

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You're not you're only looking at what you want to look at city on a hill Dan Reagan was one of our greatest presidents

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Shining city on a hill Dan. I don't want to talk more about this narrative

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But I have one more clip from it and I'm just gonna ignore it

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It's Alex saying that factor 8 that was tainted was still being shipped until 2000. It wasn't they stopped in July 1985

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He has nothing to back that up. Just an assertion that he's making

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Yeah, he's reading this article and he's saying that this is an article in the New York Times that came out in 1996

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So he has a problem with that if this article came out in 1996

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You think there's still going to be doing it for four years after that? I don't think so. That's nonsense

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So he just makes shit up

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It's crazy. He says that most cancer is viral which isn't true. It's like 16% of cancers are rooted in viruses

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I didn't know that yeah. Yeah, it's like HPV can cause cervical cancer. Yeah

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16% of all cancers. That's the accepted statistic as far as I can find, huh?

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Yeah, but Alex says it's almost all and that's the dirty secret. Is that the dirty?

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I don't know why that would be a dirty secret

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I mean wouldn't that just be since you don't know that wouldn't that just be a regular secret?

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Well, it's a dirty secret because that's why they want to give you the vaccines that are tainted

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Oh because they have the viruses that give you cancer right now. I gotcha. Yeah, that would be a dirty secret

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Yep, so at this point we'll jump off this narrative

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I apologize for everyone that we had to talk about that but we did and

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Towards the end of this episode Alex Jones sits down for an hour-long interview

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With oh no pastor to the stars. No, Lindsey Williams. No, Lindsey Williams is back

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No, he of course know is the guy who was a chaplain on an old Eric and pass because of that says hard pass Dan

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No, this is good. This is actually this is actually pretty funny

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Okay, there's a real like sort of rollercoaster that his appearance goes on because again

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He just constantly says like everybody I plead of you believe everything Alex Jones says

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He's doing a really his standards buttering up Alex. Yeah, and so here here is where he begins

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His narrative but I guess as a result of you knowing that for the past 35 years

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The elite have told me things you allowed me on your show to tell you because I had a contact from them

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eight months ago and

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was told

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everything that the elite plan to do in the world for the next year to a year and a half and

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It has happened exactly like they said it but he's he has perfect predictions because they all come from the elite

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Now when he says the elite it's important to point this out if you read John Birch society stuff

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And if you read none dare call it

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Conspiracy the elites and the insiders are the terms that they he uses and they use for the globalists, right?

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So globalist is kind of a later

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Permutation of the term, but they mean the same thing. Gotcha

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So he's saying that he stayed in contact with these elites and I told him how everything is gonna play out for the next year

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Didn't they know he's on the show you ready?

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Why would they call him now? Well here this next clip?

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It's a little bit long, but I beg of you Jordan listen to every word. Okay. All right. All right, dad

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This is so funny because it to me this clip explains why these elites are still talking to him

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But also is it's nowhere close to true

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Everything that I've ever been told by them

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I have told it to the world and a few times I've been

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Contacted and they've said chaplain you're saying too much and you're gonna have to back off if you don't we're going to have to take

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Action. Well, that's exactly what happened back eight months ago. One of them called me

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This is the second time this has happened in 35 years this gentleman. I had not seen for about 25 years

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I know who he is. He's 82 years of age now, but once you become a part of them

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You never get away from it. And he said chat

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I'm sure I quit saying certain things you're talking too much and you're getting us in trouble

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And if you don't quit we don't have to take action and by the way, I don't know

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Your video went as viral as loose change the most downloaded film internet history

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It was number one on Google video for six seven months with millions of views a day

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So that's why they called you it was international sensation the info you've been telling us for myself 13 years

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Finally got a lot of attention

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So they call you up they threaten you continue

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Yes, and what he said was not too pleasant and I remember very well that John F Kennedy the president of the United States of America

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Decided one day. He bucked the elite change over the currency and do away with the Federal Reserve

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Well, how did it go didn't take long for him to get shot? So I don't mention the world and me arguing with them

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I talked with the gentleman a few minutes agreed to pull my video real quick

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Just just a pause for a second

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He has more to say but what you have here is Lindsey Williams getting a call from the globalists

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Yeah, we're like you're saying too much. You need to calm down. So he does

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He goes along with what the globalists tell him to do. Yeah, if Alex Jones is like this truth-teller

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Who's bald and fighting the globalist? I don't know if he really wants to be associated with someone who gets a call from the globalist

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It's like you bet

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You bet I'll take down my video and my website

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Sorry about that. We can't all be fighters for truth, Dan. Well, he's presenting Lindsey as one and he's fucking not

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Well, he's a fighter for truth, but he's a you know, the discretion is the better part of valor

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That's a good point. He wants to survive long enough to keep fighting for truth. True. There's always another video Dan lowercase T

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Truth here. Yeah, sure. Redo it agreed to shut down my website, which you won't find it there any longer

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But that's not the important thing

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Is what I can do in helping you who are listening to this program today know everything that the elite told me for the next

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Year and a year and a half that they plan to do because after this gentleman and I came to agreement

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He said now chaplain if you'll do these are the things he said we'll let you alone

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Let you go ahead and talk like you want to well at that point. I asked him I decided I'd be friendly

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I said, how's your family your wife? Where have you been living since I saw you 25 years ago?

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He became quite polite and at that point I've begun asking him questions and for 45 minutes time

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He talked with me on the phone now if you can imagine that this this Alex, I don't again

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I must say I put on my britches just like you do every morning

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I was a former former CEO of one of the big five old companies, but go ahead

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Yeah, and he was talking with me on the phone and he said this is what we're going to do now

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That was when crude oil was hundred and forty seven

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dollars a barrel one fifty to be terrible go ahead good work Alex

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There's no way in this world that it was going to come down to fifty dollars a barrel

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But he said to me it's coming down to fifty dollars a barrel

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He said the price of gasoline at the gas pump is going to a dollar fifty to two dollars a gallon

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He said we and I said why you're going to do this. He said we're going to do it for the purpose of

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bankrupting OPEC

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Okay, so so so so in this vocal it opens with him getting a vocal the guys like hey

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You better shut up, or we're going to kill you and then because he's polite because

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He is polite the guy then continues to tell him the plan

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Yeah, he get outsmarted by kindness. Yeah, Lindsay Williams is a crafty

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manipulator of globalist don't you say a word also or

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We're going to kill you gonna crash oil so yeah, my family's doing well here are our plans for the next one to two years

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We're going to take out OPEC

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We're going to drop the price of oil and bankrupt a ton of people specifically Alex Jones

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I could see like someone who was friendly with like an oil executive having a conversation with them and them saying like

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There's no way this price is going to hold yeah, that's going to go down to 50 a barrel

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But that's just a prediction of market trends

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That's not a we're going to make it go to $50 a barrel. I could kind of believe like if he wasn't just such an outright liar

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I could kind of believe that he had a conversation with someone and it went like that right and then he decided to

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editorialize saying we're doing it to take down OPEC yeah, like that's Lindsay Williams creation of this conversation where the guy is like this is gonna

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Fall out the bottoms falling out

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It can't because that's an outrageously inflated price that oil was at so I believe that

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But then the rest of that is such a horseshit. That's that's like a like a bad movie

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Like it's the telling the telling of a tall tale for sure. I called this guy

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He threatened me I asked him about his family and then he was like you got his guard was down

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And then I found out everything that's gonna happen for the next year

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Yeah, I can tell you isn't that like gonna get you another phone call and you think and maybe like revealing on air that you done

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Bamboozled the goblets. Maybe they aren't going to give you a chance next time

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Shouldn't that be part of your consideration if you're like, oh JFK got killed for going up against them

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But I'm going to use information. I clandestinely got from this phone call on the Alex Jones show

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He just such a fucking idiot just described a James Bond villains monologue that allows the guy to that allows bond to

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Formulate a plan to defeat him except bond didn't say how's your family? Yeah. Well bond could have said that that's true

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They're cut scenes. We don't see everything in real time. So

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Now let's pretend from Russia with love was a lot of polite conversation that they cut from the that's the final move

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Yeah, so let's pretend that he's not lying, which is very hard to do but let's pretend he did have this conversation now

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Let's see what his prediction is. Let's see what the globalists told him

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Because again, this is not a prediction. This is him saying what the globalists told him

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They were going to do right. It's not random happenstance. It's this is the plan

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So if this is wrong, he's making shit up

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Let's see if he's wrong

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Mark my words you are going to see six months nine months maximum one year from now a total complete

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Collapse of the United States dollar and the economic system in this country prepare yourself for it. I was told by one of the

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Insiders themselves that it's going to happen and you can depend on the fact now. No did not happen

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It actually already did happen and we were in a recovery. Yeah. Yeah again because of the stimulus

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That Alex is so against yeah

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But that makes sense actually for him to be against the thing that we're talking about

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Yeah, but that makes sense actually for him to be against the thing that would fix the problem because that doesn't help him sell gold

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Yeah, that's true panic and people being fucking sad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so

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That's a bad prediction

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Lindsay's wrong. It didn't happen

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No other way to slice that if the globalist told them that they're either pranking him or

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Which sounds like he's making this up, which sounds likely

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Yeah, if I was the globalist like on a bad day, you're like shit. What am I gonna do?

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I don't feel like being a globalist anymore. I'm just struggling. Oh, you know what I'll do

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I will call up Lindsay Williams and I will threaten him and I will tell him all kinds of random-ass shit and it's going to

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Be hilarious to watch it disseminate through that that whole

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Network of idiots. I want to scare Alex Jones, but I can't do it directly. I'll call the chaplain. Yeah

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So he has another bad prediction in this next clip and then he does what he does best which is kiss Alex's ass

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You think this is bad you wait till six to nine months from now folks and it's not gonna stop until we arrest the bankers

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It's not gonna stop until we take our country back

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You're exactly right and it's gonna be programs like yours that see it brought back because the only thing that these people fear

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Is the masses waking up and that's what you're doing for them Alex. Okay. Yep. Alex. You're gonna save the country

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You're the only type of program that's gonna be able to do it because the globalists only fear you waking people up

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you are the best and

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We have one more clip and it's the perfect punchline to all of this. See what Lindsay Williams is really about

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You want to comment on stage terror stage biological weapons releases by the elite?

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I beg of you at my 8 DVD set which I didn't talk about a moment ago

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One of them is entitled vaccinations and deals with the problem. This gentleman just called in about again

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I beg of you eight hundred three two one two nine zero zero and one of the DVDs

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Oh my big eight-pack it concerns that okay, you should not sell an eight-pack of DVDs

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That's a lot of DVDs a lot of that boy that reminds me of a Rapaport. He sells like 10 DVD sets

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Yeah, just that's just too much overhead man. They're one DVD. I'm sure he's just burning them. Yeah

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Not much overhead, right?

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Expense to their consumer that ain't cheap 8 DVD sets from propagandists

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And the other thing about that is like because he's talking about the like I know about what the next year is going to bring

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There's an immediacy to it. He's really trying to push these DVDs. Yeah, so, of course

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I mean Lindsey Williams is on selling his hot bullshit and all of it is is a prelude to his you need to buy this

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These DVDs and of course Alex's avian flu

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Slash-factor eight sort of narratives weave in perfectly because lo and behold Lindsey Williams has one of those eight DVDs

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That's about this. Yeah selling anti-vaccination fear

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Through lying. So that's this episode, you know

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It boggles my mind whenever they do wind up saying something that is true in the opposite direction

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Like when they say the only thing these people fear is the populace rising up and waking up

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They do when the left does it right like they really hate that shit

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But Nazis were allowed to rise and take over and now everybody's fine

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Not everybody not everybody's fine with but but that's what they're most afraid of every time

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Like what do we see? What do we see the cops doing? They're monitoring

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You know

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Anti-fascists, right? They're not monitoring the the the Nazis because the Nazis are like to the left and right of them

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Well standing right there monitoring the anti-fascist with but the reason that that is the case is that the power structure doesn't really care about

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The idea of like fascists coming in because fascists love power. So the whole game is really the same

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It's just how awful is it going to be? Yeah for the citizenry, right?

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But but speaking in terms of America. Yeah, why the fuck would anyone who loves power care of fascists?

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Jump in exactly and you just become a fascist and become a part of it and you get even more power

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Yeah, what? I'm an oligarch. Why wouldn't I want to be raised up to like Duke? I'd be fine with Duke. Yeah

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but but then they're but that's the thing if people wake up the way that they think that they're supposed to the way that Alex thinks

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That they're supposed to all it does is everybody's fine

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No, no

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I mean

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I mean because Alex's people rising up legitimately means militias coming into right into effect more

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Oklahoma City bombing type events which leads to a crackdown and militarization of police the mentality that Alex Jones

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Sort of puts out into the world actually precipitates the things that his rhetoric is against exactly there

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Which is why which is why I'm saying that when he says the elites are afraid of us rising up

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That's the exact opposite of what is true. Well, it's cuz that's what he imagines

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The elites are he has this warped vision in his head of this leftist

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communist socialist

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You know all it's all a

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All a charade in order to get you into an authoritarian state

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There's complete blind side as to what he's helping create and has helped create. Yep. Congratulations Alex

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Your man has created your your career has come to fruition

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Accidentally, yeah, maybe that was your point all along who fucking knows. I think maybe subconsciously it was

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Anyway, Jordan, this is the end of this episode a little bit shorter

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But I think one of the reasons is because I had to read a lot of NIH documents and stuff like that

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And it was really emotionally exhausting. So I cut it off here

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yeah, I felt like that might take us longer to get through than it did but

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Anyway, suffice it to say this is just bad this March 2009 period for Alex is like of the worst stuff

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I've heard. Yeah, you know we're dealing with a lot of like real weird stuff, but it's super interesting to me that here we are

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He's still not talking about the Tea Party at all. He's really not he's

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Kind of dropped the 10th amendment narrative that he was going on through almost all of February

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He hasn't brought that up in a couple episodes

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So it's interesting to see like he's he's established that 10th amendment thing to the point where now he can bring it back at any

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Point and now what he's doing is he's laying the groundwork of this avian flu

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They're trying to kill you in the vaccines narrative in the same way so he can bring that back

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Whenever he wants down the road, right?

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So it's very interesting to see the structure of this sort of propaganda and how it works

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But it also leads me to believe like I have no fucking idea what's gonna happen in the next week in 2009

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Yeah, I have no idea where he's going. It's it's a mess

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Yeah, so we'll find out well

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you know you got to lay a lot of narratives in advance for I don't know like the the host of

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Singled out coming out as anti-vex. You got to have that in your back pocket just in case. Oh

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You don't remember no, I'd forgotten that Jenny McCarthy was the co-host. Yeah

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Hey, I remembered like Carmen Electra was but I forgot that Jenny was originally. Oh, yeah

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Anyway, Jordan's brings us to the end of this episode, but we have a website people can check out

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Com indeed. We're probably on the Twitter. Yep at knowledge underscore fight. Oh, you can go to Facebook

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Yep, we have a group called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant and you can go to iTunes

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We're there you leave a review. Yeah, it'd be nice

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also just a blanket apology if I if I if anyone feels like I gave short shrift to the

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The HIV AIDS crisis. I apologize that I didn't you know, we didn't deal with it holistically and the big picture

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But I think some of that is because it doesn't fit all of it into the narrative that we're talking about, right?

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But I want to make sure people understand that I if I if if you felt that way I apologize

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it does I don't think that what we talked about did service to how bad a lot of the

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policies at the time were yeah, it was a it was a tragedy of

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The Republicans making that will apparently never affect them in a negative way. Probably not. Yep. So anyway, uh,

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whoo, I

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Don't know man. I was probably killed

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Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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Oh Alex, I'm a person color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you