Transcript/194: February 22-24, 2009

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jarden.

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We're couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Hey.

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Dan?

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What up?

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If you could fight one animal.

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Interesting.

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What would it be?

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Any animal, I can tell you what I wouldn't fight.

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Boxing match.

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I wouldn't-

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Boxing match, Queensbury rules.

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Well I would say, I'm going to go the opposite direction, who I wouldn't fight is a cassowary.

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Those birds will fuck you up.

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Right, they're mean.

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That's my least favorite animal to fight.

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If I was going to fight any animal, it would probably be, I don't know, something soft, you know?

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Something that doesn't-

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Something soft?

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Well I love a manatee, it's one of my favorite animals, but if I-

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You don't want to fight a manatee.

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I probably would, they move really slow.

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But it's one of your favorite animals.

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I know, but they've got a lot of body you could work.

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That's true.

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Uh, I don't think that they have violent instincts in them, generally.

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I don't know.

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People swim around with them and feed them lettuce all the time, it's a vacation destination.

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Sounds great.

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Uh, out of water I think they'd be in trouble.

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That's true.

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So probably a manatee.

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You want to go with a manatee.

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It would pain me to do it, but yes.

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You want to fight the most defenseless thing you can think of.

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I don't want to fight-

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On land.

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I'm not doing this for glory.

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I want to make it out the other side.

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Okay, alright.

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What are you talking about?

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I don't think that's a terrible idea.

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I'm looking for survival.

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A lot of animals are deadly.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Manatees, not so much.

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Not so much.

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Alrighty. What are we doing again?

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Uh, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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Oh, okay.

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Do I know anything about him?

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Just about what I tell you.

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Excellent.

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And maybe a little bit more because he's in the headlines these days.

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Yeah, unfortunately. It's hard to escape.

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Um, yeah.

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So, uh, today before we get going, uh, one of the things I would like to do is give a shout out to a new donor.

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This is very exciting.

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Uh, someone new has jumped on board and we appreciate it very much.

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Thank you so much, Andrew.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Andrew!

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If you'd like to support the show, you can do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking support the show.

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Uh, that little button there, and we would appreciate it.

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You bet it.

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Speaking of something else we appreciate, Jordan, I'd like to, uh...

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Did we get, uh, did we get the mailbag?

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Uh, no. We'll get to some voicemails in the near future.

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I'm scrambling.

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You're going on vacation this weekend, so we're recording a little bit earlier than usual.

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I'm going to a wedding in Maine.

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It's not a vacation.

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You're going on a little trip.

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I'm not...

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Our schedule is a little bit more truncated, and then I had some computer issues, it's a whole mess, so I didn't have time to look into the mailbag.

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But I assume we may have gotten, uh, gotten a message or two.

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Then we'll get back to them and, uh, maybe we'll do a whole mini episode where we just look at the messages.

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That would be fun!

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Maybe we'll do that at some point, just to get through some of them, because we've gotten a ton.

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We got a ton?

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We have a ton that we need to get through.

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Let's clean out the mailbag.

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We've got a ton that aren't from Chico, and, uh, we'll get to that.

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I don't know if we can play those.

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But I did get a request by someone who is an awesome gentleman.

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He's someone who came to visit us here in Chicago.

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Had a nice drink with him.

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He was very instrumental in helping us set up the show in Austin, Texas.

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Absolutely, yeah.

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Where we worked and performed at Beerland.

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Yeah.

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Our buddy policy wonk raptor princess John.

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Hey, John.

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He, just the other day, this is so exciting and we want to give a very special congratulations out to him.

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Him and his company EQO, a little startup that he's working in, working on, just got awarded a $100,000 grant.

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Hey!

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In order to put their new technology ideas into motion.

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That's awesome.

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I am really, I feel really bad about this because I know he and I have talked about this.

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But as I understand it, it's something about, like, reclaiming water.

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Oh, okay, okay.

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I gotcha.

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I don't remember exactly what they do and maybe if I say it on air, it would be giving out trade secrets.

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Is that your excuse?

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Is that your excuse?

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Exactly.

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But what I do remember from talking to him is it sounds like a really cool idea and something

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that could be very helpful in conservation and helping with cleanliness of the world.

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Yeah.

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Whenever we talked about it, I thought it was great.

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Whenever you said right after, like, he got awarded $100,000 and it's for his tech and

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I feel really bad about this, I swear to God I thought you were going to be like,

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they shouldn't have given him that money.

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He told me about the idea.

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It's terrible.

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I don't know what people are doing.

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How dare you.

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And then you saved it, so that was good.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, just want to give a big congratulations out to John and good luck.

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I know you're going to put that to good use.

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And also, it's really cool the way that, and we posted something about it in our group,

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Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.

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And the way that everybody is being so cool and congratulating and awesome, it feels really

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good.

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We don't have a bunch of shitheads listening.

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That's really nice.

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That is very nice.

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So thank you all for being solid folk and we all support each other as best we can.

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Believe it.

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Oh boy.

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So Jordan, today we are back in 2009.

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All right.

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This is an interesting episode.

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There's going to be some non-linear storytelling going on in this episode.

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Okay, good.

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Before we get-

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Hot tub, three globalists.

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Indeed.

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No, no hot tubs in this episode.

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No hot tubs?

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No.

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All right.

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Before we get going, here's an out of context drop from today's episode.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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Yeah.

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Hey.

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Was that in Wall Street, Money Never Sleeps?

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It must be.

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How's your 401k doing, brah?

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That was Alex asking somebody about that because he was expecting the answer to be terrible.

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Right.

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He's like, yeah, that's why I got to get gold.

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And the guy's like, actually it's doing pretty good.

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Kind of-

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I've invested wisely.

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That's all I'm going to say.

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Kind of hit a brick wall.

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Yeah.

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I didn't buy any gold.

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That's why it's doing pretty well.

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Yeah.

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So today we're going over February 22nd to 24th, 2009.

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Again, we're still not quite going to get to the actual emergence of the tea party,

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but it's interesting because I think we see a couple of pieces that are very relevant

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to Alex's mindset right before the shit goes down.

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Yeah.

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As it were.

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And one thing that, you know, regardless of the mood of the world or anything like that,

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one thing about Alex is very consistent, and that is where we're going to start here on

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February 22nd.

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Okay.

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I have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight stacks of douche.

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I could spend the entire show on any one of these and go into great detail and prove every

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claim I'm making, but we don't have time.

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I suggest you check into these stories yourself.

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Alex has just described our podcast.

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That's why we exist.

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I have eight stacks of news and any one of them could last the entire show.

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I am not going to do that though.

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I don't.

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It could prove everything that I say right now, but let me tell you something that ain't

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on me.

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You do that.

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I don't have time to prove any of the stuff I'm saying.

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Because I'm too busy being a great journalist and being right about everything.

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Congratulations, Alex.

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So a lot of the time that we're going to be looking at this is going to be spent with

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him trying to make people very afraid, which is pretty, you know, do regular on the Alex

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Jones program.

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So he just talks about spiders for a few hours?

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Oh man, that'd be great.

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That would be great.

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For me it would be bees.

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But no, he has more institutional human fears for you to chew on.

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And the first is, you know, everyone's, you know, at this point in 2009 and even before,

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we're pretty mad about airport scanners, the body scanners.

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Yeah.

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And a lot of the...

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Privacy.

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A lot of concerns with privacy.

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They'd be taking naked pictures of your body.

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And they did.

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Alex has a slightly different take on it, which I didn't know was part of his fears.

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Here's another one.

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They're announcing all over the country.

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They're putting in body scanners where you walk in and it scans your naked body and puts

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it in a database.

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What they don't tell you is these airport scanners are to get a biometric read of your

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entire body so that their street corner cameras have your body's digital algorithm and contract

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everywhere you go with instant ID.

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What's a body digital algorithm?

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You know, it's a body digital algorithm, Dan.

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Haven't you ever seen a body digital algorithm?

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I haven't.

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They were great in the 80s.

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They had that hit song.

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They had that hit song.

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Seth and Elton didn't work out.

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I Know Where You Sleep.

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That was a great song.

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Yeah.

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I don't know about this.

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I don't think that necessarily they're harvesting body digital algorithms to put into street

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cameras.

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But if they were, holy shit, the technology would be prohibitive.

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The idea that every single street camera has to be hooked up to some sort of massive database

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of everybody's body digital algorithm in some way that your digital body algorithm is unique.

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It's ludicrous.

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The only way, in fact, that you could keep that information and synthesize it into something

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valuable is if you build an artificial intelligence that can do it even faster than you.

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And now you have an AI that has every single person who can afford to fly, because that's

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all that really matters.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's also a good point.

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That's all that really matters.

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The AI knows all of them, and then it will eventually control us using airports.

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And again, only people who can afford to fly.

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It's probably getting fairly close to Carrie Cassidy's Black Knight narrative, AI satellite

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Yeah, for sure.

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For sure.

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Big long wires.

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That's also one of the strange things about those body scanners is that they were all

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connected by one giant wire across this massive giant wire.

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So I should say that I had a lot that I needed to look up on this episode.

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And so this one I punted on a little bit, because just like, he doesn't explain what

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he's talking about.

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And I'm like, I don't care.

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This doesn't seem

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You might as well have just said, it's math.

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They do it with math.

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They math it.

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All right.

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You know, you use math.

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Yeah.

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So we get to this next clip where Alex explains what the system is all about.

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OK.

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So I need you to try and see if you can parse out any kind of code.

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OK, so I need to figure out what the system is all about.

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Well, see if you can

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Should I get up or get down with the system?

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Both.

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OK.

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The system is meant to go after good, hardworking Americans, like the famous case of the guy

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who can afford to fly.

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People who can afford to fly.

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Rats eating his tomatoes.

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So he killed one with a shovel.

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And neighbors saw it and called the animal people, and then he went to jail.

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And folks, again, this is all about getting regular citizens in the net.

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This is all about capturing regular citizens because we're the ones that have money they

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can suck off of.

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Here's an example.

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Ninety nine percent.

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And I just saw these numbers in the mainstream news.

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Ninety nine percent.

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I'll cover it when I get back.

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I'm up.

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All right.

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Does he cover it when he gets back?

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Not that I'm aware of.

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If he did get back to it, he phrased it so differently.

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I love that cliffhanger.

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That's so good.

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If you're going out to break with that and the balls to never come back to it.

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That's amazing.

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Well, and what he's saying even before that is I'm going to give you a you were writing

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some notes.

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I'm going to give you a chance to explain what you think I'm going to say before I say

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it.

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I'm just I'm trying to understand what he was.

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So if I understand him correctly.

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Right.

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What is the globalist plan or whatever the system is going after real hardworking Americans.

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Right.

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Because they have money.

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Right.

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Which he notes later on.

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Exactly like how.

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Remember when that guy murdered rats who ate his potato or tomatoes and their neighbors

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called the cops on him and he went to jail.

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Right.

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Right.

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And then ninety nine percent.

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You just read this in the mainstream news.

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Ninety nine percent.

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No time.

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I got I got to get out of here.

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I'm sorry.

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So you've just broken down what what happened.

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Yes.

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You did the play by play.

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Yes.

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Now I'll do the color.

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OK.

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Which is an appropriate term for this.

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OK.

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Wait what.

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What Alex is talking about is what we hear from him so often I believe and that is that

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he's depicting a scenario that is happening to underclasses and disenfranchised groups

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African-Americans in particular.

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OK.

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He's threatening that this is what the globalists want to do to white people.

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Right.

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The good hardworking people the good Americans.

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Right.

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That sort of thing.

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He's trying to use that language in order to depict this nightmare scenario where in

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he's just using real world stuff and turning it into a fantasy fear for his privileged

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audience.

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OK.

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Yeah.

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I want to know more about the story with the guy and the rats and the tomato.

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I don't.

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I do.

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I think we heard it all.

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He's killing he's killing rats with a shovel.

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Right.

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And then his neighbors called the cops on him.

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Maybe it was their pet rat.

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Maybe he was out in the middle of the night murdering rats with a shovel.

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I would call the cops on somebody if if I look out my neighbor's window my window.

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Right.

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And I just see a dark silhouette with a shovel smashing it on the ground.

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Right.

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I'm going to call the cops on him.

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That's not the system.

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That's a a terrible terrifying thing to watch.

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I agree it's terrifying but you can't go to I don't think you can go to prison just for

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being weird like killing rats on your own property is legal.

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That's not.

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Is it.

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Absolutely.

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What if they're endangered rats.

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There aren't any.

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There are some endangered rats.

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Right.

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There have to be some.

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I don't think so.

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They're vermin for a reason.

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Right.

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What about.

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They breed a lot.

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What about those big those big rats.

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What the ones down in Lake the Bayou.

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Yeah.

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No.

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What about what about.

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Nutria.

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They pay you to kill them.

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What about the ones in Australia.

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Those really big ones the ones that are technically rodents but they're like eight feet long.

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I don't know the ones you're talking about.

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I don't know much about Australian wildlife.

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That's not what this podcast.

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I want to learn more about it.

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So we have a situation here in 2009 where we know that Alex is about to launch off on

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a major new adventure where he joins up with the Tea Party and believes himself to be the

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king of the Tea Party.

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Yeah.

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More or less.

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He's going to fold in all his Ron Paul beliefs into the tea.

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The burgeoning Tea Party and it's going to take him in a different direction than he's

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been on already.

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Because we've seen these narratives from what we've covered already with the pro Palestinian

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shit the pro net neutrality anti-police sentiment these sorts of things aren't things that are

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going to continue into the future.

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There's going to be a massive shift and the only other massive shift that we've ever seen

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in Alex Jones is the switching to Trump.

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Right.

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And as we covered all of that in 2015 there's one piece of it that stuck out.

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And that is one of the things that we could clearly tell was guiding Alex and motivating

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him to make that switch was he was seeing increased popularity.

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His numbers were through the roof.

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Now technically would it surprise you to find out that his numbers were exploding right

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before the Tea Party broke.

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Interesting.

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And you know I'm talking to a lot of station owners and program directors and I even have

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talked to some very big radio consultants and contacted me famous people in the radio

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and they said Alex your time has come time people want you you would be the number one

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show in the country but obviously the big corporations that own the biggest stations

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aren't going to let you on the air but they tell me that and I've had meetings before

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at the highest levels of radio you know even the high level executives are scared and know

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that they're not members of the elite know that their time is numbered know this know

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that America is dying but that's what they're saying massive calls to talk radio especially

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local talk radio you know that is anti new world order anti globalist pro-america and

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that basically my view your view the reality view is taking over and exploding and our

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enemy I'm just one small part of this but my web numbers are radio listener numbers

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and everything is just hyperbolic right now it is exploding good to hear from you my friend

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so wait does he literally mean he is over exaggerating it's hyperbolic meaning it's

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way over exaggerated I think and there's probably an explanation for it exponential or yeah

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yeah use the wrong word yeah I would I would say that it's very clear from everything that's

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come out since that what happened in late 2015 and into 2016 was a stroke traffic growth

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yeah there was automated bots that were over inflating traffic and when you look at the

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Tea Party it was primarily almost entirely bankrolled by Americans for Prosperity yep

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FreedomWorks the Koch Brothers Foundation stoked donor blamed by Fox News the donor

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fund but less important the Fox News part more important it was also an artificial growth

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yeah that they experienced exactly so when we look back in 2009 and we see Alex's numbers

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jumping hyperbolically again it's really hard not to hear that and see oh the Koch Brothers

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bought you traffic yeah they might be buttering you up already again can't say that for sure

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now but it does seem to be like if I were Alex Jones if I ever saw an increase in traffic

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I would immediately become suspicious yeah like no this doesn't this isn't good somehow

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that's the only thing he doesn't have conspiracy theories about mainly because he attributes

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it to how great he is his own brilliance yeah yeah yeah so I don't know it's interesting

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I again that is a diabolical thing for the Kochs to do like a James Bond villain s kind

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of thing which I would say normally like there's no way that happens but the Koch Brothers

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are James Bond villains in like real life well you gotta say the devil if we were like

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political strategists of any stripe and we were trying to get Alex Jones to bend to our

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will it would only take a couple of episodes to really suss out what he's about white fear

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generally yeah and what he's susceptible to his own ego right those sorts of things are

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very easy to smell out so if you were like someone who was working for the Koch Brothers

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and strategy or something like that and you wanted to flip Alex Jones it would be incredibly

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easy to just stroke the ego and then I don't know have some some functionary whisper in

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his ear like Roger Stone is done they need a salesman yeah so you have your salesman

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and then you have the artificial growth in order to butter up his ego make him feel on

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top of the world yeah you have this spokesperson salesperson come in and and double down on

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that maybe the meetings that he's taking with these high-end people saying his time has

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come interesting maybe those sorts of people are the people who are working in concert

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with the false growth that he's experienced listen let me tell you something about how

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great this is hey hold on what do I gotta do to get you into a tea party today huh what

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do you need from me what do you want I need to be bigger all right you got it you got

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it $17,000 instantly also this is a used car oh I you know I'm thinking it's called the

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tea party car I'm thinking about selling my car all right well what do you want I'm gonna

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get drunk and talk about it on air so that's interesting to me I think at this point it's

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still just a sort of spitballing there's no real concrete way to say that that's what

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happens but it does seem like there's a possibility parallels about so earlier we heard him talking

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about the the airport scanners I'm gonna get your body body agar agar agar algorithm and

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that pays off here at the end of this episode or towards the end of the episode in this

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clip where he describes a paranoid fantasy yes they're gonna have predators patrol the

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United States not just the borders they have high altitude blimps at a hundred thousand

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feet in Canada the US and England with biometric body scanning software tracking everyone in

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real time they know your biometric resonance just by the way your body moves with from

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a shoot down position from above you biometric resonance that has to involve your digital

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algorithm I think I think also by the way you walk you could change your gate if you

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want that's a or is I mean it seems like he must but he must think it's some sort of a

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steampunk II kind of thing you know it's like you know it's your spirit but it's also a

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machine I don't know but this is just to increase that sort of fear it's like no matter where

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you are you're one second away from this blimp shooting you dead because of the way you walk

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and because they've scanned you and it's in a system you're never safe no why would you

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be that's a very unpleasant place to put your audience didn't you read the New York magazine's

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headline predator patrols parks prejudicially that was done that was buzz marketing for

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alien versus predator that was a planted news story we all know that it was this during

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the this was around whenever they remade predator right the 2009 yeah maybe with what's-his-face

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the guy Adrian Brody yeah predators predators yeah yeah fair enough I don't know what year

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that was I did work at a movie theater but that doesn't help a whole lot of Dan working

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at movie theaters time if you ever and if ever anyone writes a biography of me a lot

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of a lot of movie theaters so Alex ends this episode this clips a little bit longer and

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it's ultimately pointless but I wanted to keep it in because this is this is still indicative

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of Alex trying to have fun in 2009 which is sorely missed in the present oh yeah you know

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I just told the guys the controller without something that I'm gonna talk about this week

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on the air sometime but I don't do it to be silly I don't get into potty humor it deals

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with the royalty of Europe and what scum they are and how low they think the public is you

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can't make this stuff up I'll give it to the weekday that what's in that what's in that

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weekday show they've got that's only on for an hour it's pretty funny I listed Todd and

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I ought to give it to them I shouldn't even get into it the Queen of England it still

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goes on they claim they stopped it in 1901 the Queen of England I'm not even gonna say

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it man if you google it it's mainstream news I mean guys at the office last night didn't

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believe it when I told them so they googled it and my wife knew about it because she was

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also a history minor when she went to school in France so she learned about the she's French

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royalty you know what I'm not even gonna get into it I was just joking around on the break

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with the guys but it's just that the elite are such scum ladies and gentlemen that you

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can't even you can't even imagine the the the stuff that they're into I'm not gonna

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get into it maybe later this week when I have time to cover it and break it down beginning

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idea Tutankhamen one of the pharaohs of Egypt had a official nose picker and I'm serious

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who would he was so elite he was God on earth so someone had to pick his nose for him well

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the royalty in England has a toilet attendant and I'm just gonna leave it at that let's

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just say they don't touch toilet paper with their own hands it's taken care of by somebody

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else and it's called the groom of the stool there you go absolutely that's how low they

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think of us folks oh man that's ridiculous because the groom of the stool was a real

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position but it was always held by like noble people because it wasn't like about wiping

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the king's ass per se it was a super close advisor that would sit with him in the bathroom

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and they would have like meetings because back then it often you'd be in there half

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an hour yeah or or longer because your diets were not great yeah so it was a position where

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that was incredibly high standing for really yeah for people because it was a very close

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confidant of oh yeah yeah no that makes sense so it was someone who was deeply trusted by

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the king so that part of it is like oh they just have people come in and wipe their asses

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for them absolutely not that is not what the groom of the stool was I did not know that

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it's there's you know there's ins and outs of it and yeah maybe there was some ass wiping

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who gives a shit it's not like that was all the depends on what you're into the other

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thing is that the office was exclusively one to serve male monarchs so upon the exception

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of Elizabeth the first in 1558 it was replaced by a position called the first lady of the

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bedchamber and the position was neutralized in 1559 so a year later after 1550 yeah after

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Queen Elizabeth took the took the the the the mantle as it were so when was it reinstituted

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well it did sort of transition into just an advisory position but then when Edward the

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seventh came into power in 1901 as Alex mentioned that official position was completely discontinued

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so Alex pretending that and that's how it became the prime minister right I mean it's

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just like it's it's the lineage of these people it's like it was a public office like it wasn't

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something that was secret you know so the list of all of the people who have held that

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position is available that history isn't like something that's really yeah and they're all

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sirs that's cool as fuck yeah it's like I'd like to learn that also I would love it if

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Boris Johnson wiped my ass that would be great from 1804 to 1812 George Finch ninth Earl

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of Winchester was the groom of the stool he's a fucking Earl I thought he was the ninth

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Earl oh no no no vice counts have held the position I count whatever yeah you don't say

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the S Marquis Marquis Marquises right so there's you know it's the Alex is a fucking stupid

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idiot but that is stupid that's that's where we come to the end of February 20 you have

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to trust somebody a lot to have them sit in a room while you shit blood because it was

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the 1400s yeah you know yeah be very easy to you'd be in a very vulnerable position

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yeah that's why it's always Dukes um so we go on to the 23rd and that's just a fun fact

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yeah always fun to learn that's just a fun fact I like that yeah also you could sum it

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up by being like yeah the 14 1500s were weird yeah that's another way of summing it up yes

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what else was going on back then you want to go down a laundry list of shit that would

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be crazy to us now because that's gonna take all day so now we get to the 23rd now it starts

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things off with what I would describe as a very I want to make you scared narrative you

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know the feds are paying for drills all over the country with local police as the AP covered

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in Michigan where they call the middle school students out blow up a bus in front of them

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with flashbangs and smoke it out in some cases you're in Texas actually catch the cars on

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fire and then tell the children we're going to kill you we're homeschoolers and brainwash

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them against the Second Amendment and homeschoolers I'm not kidding I like it and the kids don't

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even know what's gonna happen it traumatizes them we'll talk about that when we get back

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and a lot more what's happening with the economy those are two very disparate subjects Dan

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yeah that's a that's a wide range that he's covering today so the thing that's even more

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fucked up is he's not totally lying okay all right now now I'm in what he is lying a bit

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but he's not like this event did happen okay drill did happen all right but the way he's

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describing it is completely off so what he's operating off of is a 2004 article in the

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Washington Times which again is a newspaper owned by Reverend Sun Yung Moon and the article

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was written by Michelle Malkin and so that is strike one and two great great the drill

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that was run was it was not a subversive attempt to make kids hate homeschoolers it was just

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a poorly written preparedness drill to test the city's emergency response times the students

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involved were volunteers most of them were members of the drama class at their school

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in full disaster makeup like they had blood makeup and squibs false flag and stuff like

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that it was a false flag drill it was actually the opposite they weren't crisis actors this

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is the one time where the false flag was the the the fact that it did happen no false flag

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the kids were high schoolers there weren't children involved no bus blew up this is all

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just bullshit paddled around because the homeschool movement in America is super defensive and

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crazy and fucked up and they should not be allowed to exist but see you saying that is

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actually why they're super defensive right because people have that position I don't

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think all homeschooling is really all that bad I think that a lot of the fundamentalist

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homeschooling and a lot of the religious based homeschooling I think that can be fairly dangerous

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and homeschooling that's based on like an Alex Jones worldview is obviously yeah homeschooling

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that doesn't involve some sort of a community involvement you know like where you go out

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and have socializing groups and stuff like that I think that can be very damaging to

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people but just the idea of not wanting kids to go to public school I think that there

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is there is an argument you can make there that's not based on bullshit and propaganda

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I agree I agree I am not saying that all homeschooling is bad it is possible for there to be good

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homeschooling and we've all met kids who are homeschooled who turned out fine and are are

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very smart and so on and you know like the the kids who play violin were probably homeschooled

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I don't know but most homeschooling is brainwashing not homeschooling there is an unfortunate

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amount of that I would say yeah so the other thing that's really funny I lost the shit

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okay here we go I lost the exact article of it but it's super fucking funny the the guy

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who ended up writing the drill was just like I wasn't trying to make anyone hate homeschoolers

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I just I was asked to put something together and this is what I came up with what were

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the homeschoolers well look at this how are they involved so the group that he came up

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with to be the villains of this preposterous drill were called wackos against school and

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education wackos all right all right I am I'm actually I think this is a great role

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play right now sure this is a dnd dnd larp and I love it I love it it's uh it's a little

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half elves against education if you if you look at it it's a little absurd and what it

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what it boils down to is like this is poorly conceived I get what you're trying to do in

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terms of planning preparedness that testing your response times yeah like that you guys

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really should have done a second draft on this if wackos against school and education

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is what you came up with back to the drawing board it could use some punch up yeah yeah

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for sure so who is this guy I don't remember his name it's not really important he's a

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guy who worked for the city okay but he did he did work for the city they didn't like

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outsource it this is just a low level intern guy most likely yeah I don't have all the

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information I gotcha but all of the responses that you can find from homeschooling people

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are defensive which I understand and I I'm not gonna come down on them too hard for that

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because I would much rather come down on them for being like why wasn't a Muslim group okay

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now that's something to eat oh yeah then be like why wasn't it a Muslim terrorist group

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that was the bad guys in this how come you are making white people look bad when you

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could be doing the easy thing and making Muslims look bad right and one of the reasons is that

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because it was in Muskegon County in in Michigan and there aren't a lot of Muslims in that

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county I looked up the demographics and it's at best under 1% are Muslim or Arabic at any

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way it's a very highly white population area so maybe it would seem out of place well in

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their defense though Michigan does have one of the highest Muslim like community or one

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of the largest Muslim communities not in that county not in that county but they are definitely

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aware that they're there they everyone's away they are in the Muskegon County in order to

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avoid the other like that's that's white flight all over the place it's possible yeah that's

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what I would say so Jordan our last 2009 episode we covered a bit of ground yes but one of

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the things that I did was that I just decided to skip over an interview that Alex has with

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a member of the Iowa National Guard uh-huh Alex's big narrative that he's pushing around

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this time is that there is this city Arcadia Iowa where they're going to do this drill

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where remember we talked about it yes yeah no I remember this where they pretend to search

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people's houses who have volunteered to go along with the roleplay while they try and

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find this supposed armed dealer who's in the town in order to prepare them for um if that

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situation yeah yeah yeah so I skipped over that and I'm actually kind of glad I did now

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because it gives us a chance to talk about it now because on the 23rd Alex Jones says

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this about that interview you know when I had that lieutenant colonel on Greg Hapgood

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Friday I was really interrogating him and I had such an in-depth knowledge of their

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operations from decades of study that I can tell you a he is a patriot okay the man loves

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this country and bleeds red white and blue he began to break down and you could hear

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him start crying good if you listen carefully on air he had a hold back crying patriot because

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he did not like having to deceive the people loves this guy he was so much and he's been

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told everything's gonna collapse and he's got to do this and he is very upset he's thinking

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about granddaddy sitting on his knee and saying son of Tom's gonna come when they're gonna

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come after these shotguns how do you realize every good grandfather told their grandson

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that and you've got to resist it when that time comes and that's why he started cracking

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up I was in his mind at that time basically I studied this so much and that's why he began

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started listen I'm not good because he was about to break down and join the Republic

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he was inches away and that's why this is going to fail ladies and gentlemen so when

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I heard that I was like how fucking dare you how every good are you Alex every good granddaddy

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I look every good boy deserves fudge every good granddaddy sits the kid on their knee

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and talks about how they're gonna take the guns one yeah exactly um so I don't know about

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that I'll leave that to the side I will say first of all hap good did not go anywhere

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near crying no I remember we listened to a tiny bit and we didn't listen to any we didn't

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listen to any of it now because Alex has said that it's not good enough for me to just assert

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that he didn't cry I must play this for you and illustrate exactly what happened he didn't

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cry he was a classy polite guy who stayed there for over 20 minutes while Alex badgered

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him and Alex was a total dick to him okay he answered Alex's questions to the best of

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his ability and then Alex was a piece of shit to him love it that's what we're going to

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listen to now and it's really actually important because I want to illustrate how much of a

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liar Alex is in that last clip and then it weaves into something that is a big piece

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of Alex's narratives that I need to go exhaustively into okay because I think it's super important

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and I am but I apologize in advance for a lot of reading that's going to okay all right

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but here is where Alex starts to in we're back to the 20th now yeah flashing back to

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February 20th when Alex had Lieutenant Colonel Greg Hopgood on his show he's already done

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the formalities and the introductions and this is where he tries to start leading Hopgood

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Hopgood down a path and it doesn't work are you aware that there's now a massive domestic

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role for the regular Army and National Guard in the United States well I think you have

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to look historically is that that domestic role really has been filled by the National

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Guard across the United States for decades and in Iowa we're no different for instance

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last summer we had incredibly historic floods here in the state the number one response

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force for many military is always the National Guard in their home state and we deployed

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more than 4,000 people last summer to fight floods in Iowa that being said if there are

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other kinds of response necessary in the state and typically the responses that we really

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have to do with are most of the time natural disasters but in the event of other disasters

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let's say some kind of weapons of mass destruction or some other kind of incident we'd be also

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called upon to do that so I do have some visibility on that duty as well.

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Colonel, if you're ordered to confiscate citizens firearms under PDD 25 or PDD 51 are you going

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to follow that order?

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With respect to any kind of duty that we perform in Iowa it kind of depends on which status

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it's in about who we take orders from number one if it is in a peacetime situation the

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vast majority of the time any kind of request for assistance comes from the governor of

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the state of Iowa I can tell you that the order of which you just spoke has never been

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received by the Iowa National Guard and I can tell you that you will not find stronger

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leaders of the Constitution than the men and women of the Iowa National Guard.

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So that's that sounds like he's tearful.

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Colonel would you kill the Jedi and more importantly the younglings?

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I mean it's not far off you know what he's where he's going with his line of badgering

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questions yeah so we're gonna listen to more of him because it would be unfair of me to

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cherry pick this and be like well that's the one part where he wasn't crying no he was

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totally crying there he was on the edge of telling Alex everything if the governor he

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almost even said it he said if the governor ordered us to take everybody's guns away obviously

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we that's how the rules work right that's the Constitution and it doesn't mean anything

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and we're destroying it and we're taking oh god no didn't you hear that part I didn't

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you didn't hear that part I didn't hear that okay did you did you hear the part where he

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talked about how great his grandfather was because then we can reverse engineer everything

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after that my granddaddy no so at this point Alex tries to throw some of his narratives

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at him and see if he can get him to budge and be like yeah we did we love the Republic

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right but it doesn't work well I remember back in 2002 seeing local newscasts with Iowa

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National Guard not in drills but out on the highways searching cars and then telling the

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news cameras to turn off were you in the garden dinner were you aware of that I'm in the garden

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for 23 years and I've never heard of that it was on Iowa News channels I've been a member

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of the Iowa National Guard since 1986 and I've been in public affairs since 1991 I do

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I do not recall ever hearing of the situation such as that well let's just boil it down

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to this I have video of Army and Marines with role players screaming I'm an American please

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don't put me in the camp the Department of Transportation and the military trying to

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confiscate their firearms I mean certainly you've heard the Army Times and the new director

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from Secretary of Defense Robert Gage that they will use the National Guard under federal

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control for civil insurrection are you are you saying you're not aware of that no I'm

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certainly aware that absolutely but I think you have to look at the role the National

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Guard historically is that historically we are used in states for disasters overwhelmingly

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and our job is to number one be ready for our mission federally which is to go to war

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and number two is to help our fellow citizens here in the United States of America the Army

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that we prepare for and train for the Army War College three weeks ago issued a report

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saying they're shifting a lot of their focus to engaging the American people and directives

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on engagement with the American people under NORTHCOM now this isn't you know we wouldn't

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NORTHCOM isn't a part of our history the National Guard being federalized as a full integrated

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force that is new that is different well you got to remember that the National Guard ninety

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nine percent of the time is in if you're talking about peacetime belongs to the state in which

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they are located only on occasion do they become federalized one of those examples of

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course is being mobilized and deployed to go to war peacekeeping or other kinds of federalized

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missions but other than that the National Guard generally in peacetime belongs to the

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governor of that state absolutely absolutely um you know so alex even there looks like

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he hit a brick wall ah i'm gonna start crying he's throwing out the best he's got and hapgood

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is calmly and politely responding if boringly well yeah perhaps but it is important information

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you know the idea that they have dual roles in terms of being at the will of the governor

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of the state that they're operating in almost all the time and then they become federalized

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when they're deployed right stuff like that when they're deployed for war so the idea

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that they're they're federalized alex gets to throw that around a lot but what that is

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really in reference to is a very minuscule aspect of what they do even when they go into

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another state for like natural disaster relief efforts and stuff like that like let's say

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the iowa National Guard ends up in Illinois then they are under the aegis of the Illinois

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governor they're being is that true they're being lent to the state of Illinois so they

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respond or they the chain of command goes up to the Illinois governor okay so hapgood

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has a lot of good answers for alex and sort of is trying to calmly deflect his narratives

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and trying to be like well here's the real situation i understand what you're saying

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and whatever and it's not working and it leads to alex getting what i would describe as as

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hostile i mean sir you know historically there's a danger of militaries being used by the executive

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branch to subdue populations and there's talk of breakdown of society and rioting right

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now well i mean what i can tell you is only what we do here in iowa that's to be prepared

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to go to war be prepared to help people here in the united states those are the things

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that we do so one of theirs is one situation like new orleans and you're told to go into

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people's houses and confiscate their firearms i mean they did that in louisiana and mississippi

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i mean would you be part of that in iowa we haven't we haven't been asked to do that in

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the state of iowa in history of our state we've been around for a hundred and seventy

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years the iowa national guard we start as a territorial militia

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uh... and like i said we uphold the constitution advocate for the constitution

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uh... every day and what we do and what i could say is a different now that's the whole

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point so we know there's a black man in the white house for a long time anything could

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happen changing that's the whole point we're trying to make it's been all white for a hundred

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and seventy years the point that i'm trying to make is you you've crowded out this parade

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of horribles of which i can't possibly comment all i can tell you about is what we do here

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in iowa to get ready that's specifically what i'm going to talk to you about

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yes sir colonel we appreciate that we respect your your your you know the fact you're being

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cordial while you're being interrogated it's just we're upset because we're educated we

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know what's going on and people are going to remember what you said here today as things

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unfold

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so i mean alex is uh... openly being like i'm interrogating you now but he's also showing

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a little bit of his soft underbelly there because when hapkud's like there's things

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that you're bringing up there's no fucking way i could comment on basically like first

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of all probably a lot of stuff i don't know about like other states what they do and stuff

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like that and then beyond that some sort of thing that's like something i wasn't involved

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in no way i'm going to comment on that um and alex is like oh we appreciate you being

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here you know because he's like i don't want him to hang up on me don't want him to hang

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up i'm i still got interrogating to do um which is colonel if the independence day movie

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situation occurred would you take the aliens guns or would you protect their second amendment

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rights aliens still have rights alex would be very opposed to that you'd say take their

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blasters um so now we get to um what did they have blasters in independence day i think

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everybody's got every space movie is blasters okay don't be foolish all right i'm sorry

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i'm sorry so now alex gets to what he thinks is going to be a gotcha question which isn't

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and then we will get to a lot of information that i have that clearly illustrates uh that

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alex is uh the big dum-dum yep and i'm telling you you can't deny what's happening don't

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be like the people of germany or russia the military that denied denied denied was right

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in front of their face be like italy or japan again i can just tell you what i see here

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in front of me every day i see 9 500 men and women that are committed to liberty that are

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committed to united states of america committed to the state of iowa doing the best they can

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do to take care of people that's what i can tell you about colonel lieutenant colonel

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did uh... did i listen to the guard troops in new orleans yes we did uh... in fact i

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was there myself as well uh... we did send um... approximately four hundred ever mississippians

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some that were also in new orleans as well as you take part in the gun confiscation uh...

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we did not take part in those kinds of operations did you witness it did not the larry news

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is ours reported as well as the other programs of bill moyers that mercenaries were also

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used from israel and blackwater did you see those guys

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no information about that

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no information i mean you you didn't see him or no information didn't personally see it

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could you live for me

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so alex is uh... getting real raw about about stuff now and he tried his best probably his

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best salvo which is

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you guys were at katrina you're in the katrina relief

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did you take part in the gun they confiscated guns in katrina gotcha well we need to talk

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about that are now there's a lot of writing and reading to be we need to talk about guns

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and hurricane katrina because alex is a liar

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uh... and he's a liar in a very specific way that i think is actually interesting and it's

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a story that i don't believe is very publicly out there and i think it would do us all a

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good bit uh... to our education to understand some of the dynamics that were at play

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the idea that there was widespread gun confiscation after hurricane katrina is not based in reality

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but in fact is a myth that was created by the n r a along with the second amendment

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association they were trying to create this image of an out-of-control federal power taking

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advantage of a horrible tragedy in order to grab people's guns but the truth is infinitely

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more complicated than that but the reasons for doing so are not

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the n r a's propaganda is largely propped up by an unfortunate quote from new orleans

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uh... police department superintendent edwin compass the third who said quote only law

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enforcement are allowed to have weapons

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after struggling to retain a state of calm in a city that was under uh... eighty percent

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underwater and plagued by looting and mismanaged efforts to help survivors it was a clumsy

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dumb thing to say you can understand his mental state

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either way he was no longer new orleans police department superintendent a few weeks later

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he was relieved of the duties

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uh... for saying that no just because of his bungling and mismanagement i don't use

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this issue at the job uh... i didn't look too deeply into his leaving office but uh...

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i believe he steps down

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i think there was like a and i'm not being effective

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either way

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brandon lebooth a marine veteran in new orleans police uh... reserve officer shia's brother

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exactly

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who is actively involved in the response to katrina has gone on record saying quote there

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was not widespread gun confiscation in new orleans

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it was nowhere near as widespread as some would have you believe

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i know i encountered countless people with firearms and did not confiscate a single one

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neither did any officer i knew or worked with

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the only time firearms were seized

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uh... were when someone

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or crime no different than before the rain

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he even goes on to say that he and other officers were given specific instructions not to take

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anyone's firearms

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okay alright so uh...

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that is uh... pretty concrete

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well hard to deny that it's a cross-section certainly out of this guy's experience and

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you know you can extrapolate out whatever you'd like to but because they're inhuman

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piles of shit who only care about guns the n r a glommed onto a couple incidents there

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were a bit unfortunate for example an older lady was waving a gun around in front of officers

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were trying to persuade her to leave her house

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uh... she ends up getting tackled in the video is pretty rough because it is an old lady

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she doesn't deserve a gun out in her hand is she waving a gun around well but not like

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then her old lady status revoked it's not like waving it around threateningly necessarily

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but even anytime you're waving a gun around brandishing is not a

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a non-violent act i believe that the legal definition of brandishing is you have to have

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your finger on the trigger or something like that

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i don't care to litigate that it's not my business even her telling of it is like i

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had a gun in my hand and then i got tackled well

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i mean there is a clear cause and effect relationship there that makes sense but the optics of it

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are super unfortunate and so the n r a took some incidents like this and they sued the

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new orleans police department very closely after the storm n r a to the rescue great

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job guys this led to a settlement in two thousand eight where the new orleans police department

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revealed that they had taken five hundred fifty two guns into their headquarters between

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august twenty third twenty two thousand five the day of the storm and december thirty first

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two thousand five according to police a after the start yet according to police these were

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mostly stolen guns that had been confiscated and abandoned guns they founded abandoned

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homes the terms of the settlement made it so the new orleans police department had to

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do everything in their power to let people know that they can come and get their guns

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now is it none of this should have happened to begin with because quote in april two thousand

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six police made firearms available to owners uh... to claim if they could present a bill

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of sale or an affidavit with the bill of weapons serial number which of course presents its

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own difficulty how does a person whose house flooded provide proof of ownership of a gun

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when that proof probably was destroyed in the flood then what do you do if you're the

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police do you just give guns to anyone claiming to be their owner of course n r a basically

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the n r a's lawsuit in the settlement thereof led to the resolution that people would just

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have to sign an affidavit that a certain gun was there's and then it was so that i like

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that

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so there are a few stories that exist out there in the ether about people having their

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guns taken away from them in the aftermath of katrina right but all those stories uh...

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they all clearly involved people talking about run-ins with the new orleans police department

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not with some sort of national guard that's been federalized or out-of-state forces of

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the government or anything like that it's all new orleans police department

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and it was all old ladies note every single person who had their guns taken away old lady

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now but we will get to one commonality between them a little bit all named ethel no so the

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reason the reason that it's important to point out that this was an issue where they were

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running into the new orleans police department is because that investigations have shown

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that new orleans police department has a long history of stealing people's guns and traffic

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stops

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gordon hutchinson writing for the louisiana sportsman said quote in the course of research

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for our book on the confiscation of firearms in the aftermath of the hurricane we heard

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a number of similar stories they all followed the same vein a citizen is pulled over in

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a traffic stop the new orleans police department officer takes a gun from the citizen and asks

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the citizen uh... if they have a receipt for the gun when the answer is no the gun is seized

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and the citizen is informed that uh... if they will show up at a specific precinct with

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proof of ownership they can have the gun back when i asked a good friend a retired new orleans

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police department officer about the practice he stated that it was a fairly common practice

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to take guns for motorists before the hurricane this is an open secret in new orleans law

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enforcement communities and had zero to do with hurricane katrina or the assistance of

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federal officers or the national guard it was the behavior of an underfunded understaffed

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undertrained and structurally deficient police department the department of justice did an

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investigation into new orleans police department and found it to be a complete mess that needed

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essentially a complete overhaul to be functional from their one hundred fifty eight page report

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quote the deficiencies in the way the new orleans police department polices the city

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are not simply individual but structural as well for too long the department has been

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largely indifferent to widespread violations of law and policy by its officers new orleans

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police department does not have in place the basic systems known to improve public safety

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ensure constitutional practices and promote public confidence we found that the deficiencies

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that lead to constitutional violations span the operations of the entire department from

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how officers are recruited trained supervised and held accountable to the operations of

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paid details in the absence of mechanisms to protect and promote civil rights officers

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too frequently use excessive force and conduct illegal stops searches and arrests with impunity

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yeah that was uh that was like in that documentary uh bad lieutenant port of call new orleans

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yeah yeah new uh didn't uh nicholas cage was a new orleans cop for a while right he might

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have used that doj report as source material because it's so are they stealing guns to

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use like to issue to each other like because they can't afford a standard issue gun they're

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stealing other people's guns no probably selling them or something like that there's probably

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some they're selling guns oh like they sell old cars like that kind of like they sell

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old police cars so they sell guns at like an auction or something or just as a power

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trip kind of thing and i think that in corrupt police departments who knows exactly why they're

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doing what they're doing right they're fucking crazy it could be just also to illegally collect

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a big uh cache of weapons shit ton of weapons yeah they could be doing that but you never

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know when you might need a big cache of weapons but the point is for years new orleans police

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department has been doing that to people yeah they're evil it's the same thing with as cash

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civil forfeit as a church uh right right you know you take people's cash and like prove

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it's yours right at that precinct you can have it back right they've been doing that

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with guns for years this isn't something that happened in hurricane katrina it was a problem

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for a long time now this is a systematic problem within the city's police department that was

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left unchecked for a long time alex jones and the nra and their ilk don't care about

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that they only care about their imagined fantasies of out of control federal troops using the

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disaster to take guns and there's a very specific reason for that the people in the nra's video

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who had their guns taken by the police are all white whereas the new orleans police department

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generally showed an absurd bias towards targeting african americans no uh police department

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crazy bias towards uh from crazy from that doj report quote indeed the limited arrest

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data that the department collects points to racial disparities in arrests of whites and

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african americans in virtually all categories with particularly dramatic disparities for

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african american youth under the age of seventeen arrest data provided by the new orleans police

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department indicates that in two thousand nine the department arrested five hundred

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african american males and eight white males under the age of seventeen for serious offenses

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great great range from homicide to larceny over fifty dollars good work guys during the

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same period the department arrested sixty five african american females and one white

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female in the same age group god damn it even if you adjust for population differences black

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youths were being arrested at a rate of approximately sixteen to one compared to whites god damn

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it also notable quote of the twenty seven instances between january two thousand nine

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and may twenty ten in which new orleans police department officers intentionally discharged

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their firearms at people all twenty seven of the subjects of these deadly force were

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african american so it's very clear if you look at the pattern of the department what

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was going on for a long time as they were stealing guns from black people and no one

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cared because they had no social power u s a this u s a sorry the officers taking guns

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in new orleans weren't federal troops they were the same cops that have been taking people's

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guns in new orleans forever great alex and his community make this such an important

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piece of their narratives because it's a classic instance of white people receiving the treatment

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that minorities were subjected to all the time and they can't stand it also sorry their

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guns were taken away but also eighteen hundred uh... or so people died in that storm including

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this quote six days after hurricane katrina struck new orleans members of the new orleans

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police department killed two civilians seventeen-year-old james brissette and forty-year-old ronald

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madison four other civilians were wounded all of the victims were african american none

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were armed nor had committed any crime madison a mentally disabled man was shot in the back

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so there's bigger issues to talk about than a couple people who had their guns taken in

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the same way that and now granted i don't think they should have had their guns taken

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but when we do triage in a situation like this that is absolutely the smallest deal

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so the issue that i think i really need to when you takes you strip some of the horrors

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away from it which i know is very difficult to do this is nothing to do with federal troops

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coming in or national guard troops it's the byproduct of a year's deficient police department

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that it no one has stepped in to get into line or to correct the problems of it they're

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behaving in the exact same way they behave before the storm and alex is using it as some

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sort of like this is what happens when the federal government comes in no sir this is

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city this is state level stuff you are very wrong about that and if you want to get right

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with your narrative then you have to get right with all of that you have to get right with

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the fact that this is a department that was running amok and was out of control now the

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further thing that alex needs to get right about is this because there was such an outcry

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by the n r a and these gun rights groups uh... about this

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president bush ended up pushing through a new code u s code title forty two chapter

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sixty eight sub chapter five

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uh... code fifty two oh seven which reads

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prohibition of confiscation of firearms

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no officer employee of the united states including any member of the uniformed services or person

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operating pursuant to or under color of federal law or receiving federal funds or under

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control of any federal official or providing services to such an employee officer or other

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person while acting in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency may one temporarily

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or permanently sees or authorized seizure of any firearm the possession of which is

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not prohibited under federal state or local law other than for forfeiture in compliance

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of federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation to they may not require registration

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of any firearm for which registration is not required by federal state or local law

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the only limitation that's listed in this is that nothing in this section shall be construed

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to prohibit any person from requiring the temporary surrender of a firearm as a condition

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for entry into a motive transportation used for rescue or evacuation during a major disaster

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or emergency provided that such temporary surrendered

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firearm is returned at the completion of said rescue or evacuation so you can't have a gun

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in an ambulance that is the whole code the whole code right there is like you will get

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to keep your gun no matter the fuck what unless you're in an ambulance that's it or like a

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getaway van yeah a bus or something like that they might require you to so all this jesus

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that's not good that's that might be a little over correcting jordan we're in 2009 listening

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to alex spreading fear about the idea that the federal government is going to use disasters

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to come in and take guns after hurricane katrina because of the nra's propaganda and what they

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were doing the federal government made a code that you can't do that you can't take guns

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from anybody at no federal officer working in any sort of capacity can take uh guns during

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an emergency because of the emergency status of it it's right there in the federal code

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if alex jones is going to use a federal code that he rattles off that subsection 50 blah

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blah blah that one to say like oh chemtrails are real that's just as real you dickweed

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that's the same federal code so they can't do it you you can't do it now the other thing

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i want to bring this up because it's one of the sort of like i i believe that i think

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i've covered a lot of the bases of why this narrative is bullshit yeah but i need to bring

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one more piece into this and that is that one of the i mean there's a million things

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that people uh in the government got wrong about katrina but one of the things that isn't

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incredibly unfortunate i think because it leads into the nra being able to pull shit

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like this is that the evacuation was mandatory people needed to evacuate from their homes

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yeah and the one of the reasons for that is because of the fact that 80 of the city was

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underwater the fact that people were talking about how there was going to be tens of thousands

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of dead found in the water and that that conversation was being had with straight somber faces very

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credibly you know like it was it was an expectation that like i don't know how we don't have a

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death toll that high yeah and if you have that sort of a situation the possibility for

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chemicals and dead bodies rotting and water leads to a massive public health crisis that

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you need to you need to clear things out yeah and so the idea that they had a mandatory

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evacuation i think might have been not helpful necessarily right but the reasoning for it

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does make sense now the reason it's a big problem is because there aren't any concealed

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carry laws in new orleans so if people are evacuating their homes which is now mandatory

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they if they bring their guns with them by virtue of them being out in public with those

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guns that is now an illegal gun yeah so there is an issue where i think that some of these

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cops who are already doing it to motorists before the storm yeah could have used that

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sort of almost entrapment aspect to take some people's guns yeah i don't like i said i've

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already made it clear i don't think you should be taking people's guns without cause but

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to say it was about the storm or the national guard or federal troops is missing the forest

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for the trees in terms of this story and that's all i have to say on the matter that's yeah

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i mean that goes back to why alex is not afraid of government overreach now is because he's

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only really afraid of government overreach when it comes to treating white people the

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way that we always treat black people that's that's all it is it i can't it's strange that

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it's such a such a through line and that is such a like i know what we do to minorities

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is wrong because if it happens to me in even the slightest capacity i will lose my fucking

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mind so that means you are fine with this level of mistreatment if it happens to anyone

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who looks like me and i i feel bonded with then i will create uh an entire world government

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conspiracy in order to justify why this is wrong when i don't give a shit if it's happening

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to brown people i don't really give a shit here's how we defeat the nra and i'm stealing

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this from star trek interesting every phasers every black person every muslim person everyone

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who is non-white registers and buys a gun and the nra will explode like an over-inflated

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balloon well star trek i mean star trek rules i mean they didn't uh you know they don't

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seem to be all that interested in like the second amendment rights of like that philando

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castillo you know isn't that crazy yeah it does seem like they might but you know what

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also the other thing too is that they might take care of themselves you know hearing all

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these stories about how they're not making any money anymore they might have to fold

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shit like that and fuck them they're liars they're fucking lying liars you fucking lie

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about fundraising drive yeah exactly fundraising false flag yeah that's that's alex's money

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bomb two years ago yeah so we're done i've said my piece about hurricane katrina i don't

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think i've covered all of the bases of it but the ones that are relevant to alex's narrative

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and why he's a liar i think we have a pretty good yeah i'm pretty sure you fucking crushed

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it jesus christ so now we get back to this interview with uh uh greg hapgood who i actually

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looked into him he seems like a great dude i don't know a ton about it if boring except

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the articles that i was able to find he actually just retired this year 2018 yeah um he was

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uh in uh he helped with hurricane harvey in uh in houston he was uh sent troops uh from

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the iowa national guard out to help with hurricane maria out in puerto rico uh he's been doing

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this forever is he a good granddaddy though i don't know that i can't speak to that all

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right i would assume seems like it seems like an upstanding guy so anyway alex now tries

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to throw what i would say are his greatest hits of his narratives at him bilderberg and

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this boy this man doesn't flinch martial law the news admits that's what's being set up

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they've built fema camps millions of plastic coffins uh and and and we know this has been

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quietly being built and designed over decades and all these states are revolting against

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it and i talked to the military and it's just oh no this is for overseas or we're only here

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to help with uh... i mean don't you admit this could be used dual use and could acclimate

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the local citizenry and the population uh to have their guns confiscated and that's

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what happened in new orleans all i can tell you is is what our intent is and our intent

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is provide prepared soldiers so they're ready to go when it comes time for time for them

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to go someplace very dangerous

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uh... for them to not only do a mission successfully but survive and come home to their families

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those are the things that we do and what we see

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this year about government or others for months ago forgot disgraced it's a little more for

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door-to-door gun compensation

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uh... that's a different place we're talking about i will hear now

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at the point

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this house is trying to move the goalposts and talk about blog oh that's not uh... it's

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uh... sir we're not talking about that also

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off the record

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that i can go fuck himself sure not my not my deal

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but bloggo

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fuck yourself and uh... at this point now uh... what a good uh... nine years later the

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national guard has not been used to go door-to-door confiscate guns doesn't seem like it so uh...

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we've played a bit of this interview from february twentieth and i'm like well

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i gotta be fair let's play the end of it is maybe cries at the end

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that'd be fun that's entirely possible

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certainly again

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we absolutely believe in the constitution

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and uh... you won't find better patriots and people in the national guard

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last time i was down in central america that was military officers and people i mean it

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to me is that

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the classic image of freedom you know people say from w nd search in three-year-olds purses

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so we have photos of that

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well i mean i don't care is is what we do here in iowa and what we see in our operations

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for instance uh... we were just asked to take part in the operation washington d c

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our job there was to help make

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keep sure people got the right places

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uh... make sure that people are safe and uh... most of the kinds of missions so that we're

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generally asked to do

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but you're saying that's not a violation of positive comment on this

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to have the national government allies

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searching people's backs

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no i didn't say that uh... in fact that what i can tell you what the iowa national guard

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is we're generally

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in a state status on operations

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once of course were deployed for war then would be in a federal status but generally

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if we're gonna work here in the united states somewhere

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or generally uh... on a state status of some kind which are you guys are you guys get a

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lot of phone calls about this right now

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uh... we actually have gotten a number of phone calls about this and i think the biggest

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misnomer is that is once people find out

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that the actual mission is about replicating training

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so we can go to war then then they're okay with that so after all i think it's a misconception

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that has anything to do with other than combat readiness

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yeah well i've seen the documents interview folks above your pay grade lieutenant colonel

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i'm sorry to tell you you are wrong you're being acclimated yourself the police are being

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acclimated the local communities being acclimated for martial law the fema camps are now public

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no more denial

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lieutenant colonel uh... brag and hap good we appreciate your time we ask you to live

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up to your oath

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thanks for your opportunity

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thank you take care

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that is a

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dick right there that is a fucking huge asshole

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that's unbelievable

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that's next level route

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he spent like a half hour talking to him and being very polite while alex badgers him about

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nonsense accuses him of stealing people's guns in new orleans

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when uh... that at the end there's a

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you're wrong dan i respect your analysis and all of the evidence that you have shown here

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but i'm gonna have to tell you that you're wrong you've lied about everything you're

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full of shit and you're a pawn of the enemy and uh... thank you for your service you have

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uh... been in service when you retired this year thirty six years uh... we ask you uphold

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your oath hey alex you ever helped anybody out during the flood

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shut your fucking mouth you dumb asshole are you getting a lot of phone calls about this

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uh... yeah mainly because you're uh... mainly because you're a fucking asshole and i hate

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you and i'm coming on your show to make sure that the people who would call us who are

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calling us will shut the fuck up and you're an asshole i'm reaching out because i know

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that you're dangerous maybe uh... yeah we can diffuse this thing yeah this is a bit

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to think more rationally about what's actually going on no you're wrong

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you're a betrayer

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crazy that's it that's an interesting that's an interesting question though now to me is

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so he goes so ostensibly what i what i see here is that the lieutenant colonel first

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of all didn't cry did not cry did not even come close he had the same monotone the entire

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way was but that's because he's also part of like the public outreach part of the national

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guard yeah he's a he's a p r guy for the most exactly at this point he knows what the fuck

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he's doing he did like fifteen eighteen years or whatever like on the ground in the national

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guard and then transitioned into a p r position so that's why he's so boring and giving the

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answers that are like which is a valid answer i don't think it's evading the question to

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say like what i can talk about is what iowa does what we do in iowa yeah but that's why

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you get those answers because that's the only thing i know about professionalism you get

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from him yeah and i think he's being very classy because it would be very easy for him

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to like fight back with alex but i think he knows it's pointless right at the same time

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he could hang up but then alex would just use that as some sort of evidence that he's

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afraid of my questions right so he does the only thing he can do which is like no look

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you're talking about federalized stuff you need to realize the the role of the national

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guard does have a federal application in certain circumstances but generally we're under the

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authority of the governor of the state that we're in well it's it's a no-win situation

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and god bless him for trying but that's that's the question there is it better so for him

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his motivation uh what what i can see is he wants to like preempt all of these fucking

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phone calls like he's gotten enough phone calls now where he knows that somebody is

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spreading this bullshit around right and when he's on those phone calls he talks to he talks

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to those people and eventually at the end of the phone call they're usually like okay

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actually you know what you're a reasonable guy and that makes a lot of sense you're you're

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a pretty cool dude so he's thinking maybe if i go on alex's show i can do the same with

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alex but i think and he lost i agree and i think a lot of people probably think that

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once and then they go on the show and like oh that was bad yeah can't do that so so that

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that's why you don't have return appearances by rational humans right right right let's

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show like russell brand didn't come back no he's a bad example of a rational human but

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uh doctor doctor what's-his-face no i think dr dean adele does come back because he likes

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to fight okay can we listen to more dean adele if i can find him god i want to listen to

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so many dean adele episodes but people like a uh david lynch doesn't come back right people

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like that they don't they show up once and they're like fuck that whoa right i thought

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this would i thought this would be a conversation it was not there was an agenda there yeah

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so i think i think you have that i mean just recently in 2018 that uh senator matt gates

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or congressperson i don't know if he's in the house or the senate because i don't really

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care about him but uh he went on and then people were like why'd you do that he's like

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yeah i that was a mistake i'm not gonna do that again i shouldn't have done that i think

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i think that even you know people i think people get the message when they go on yeah

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like i get it that was i shouldn't have done that that's it that's an interesting you want

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you want to try so now you have to ask yourself the question is it more important that everybody

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is aware of alex in order to be wary of alex or that no one should know who alex is or

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like because we get it we keep getting into this situation where people go on alex's show

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expecting a good faith right uh circumstance and then they wind up getting their asses

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dunked on because alex is a fucking lunatic and there's no there's no escape from that

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so you only lend your credibility to alex's show no one knowing would be great but i don't

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think that's possible right so now the only thing that i think is appropriate is people

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being aware of him to be wary yes yeah absolutely but you have to play his game a little bit

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even if you're outside of it and think exactly because there are criticisms that he makes

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that are valid of people who cover him like the idea that they don't play the clips of

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me saying x y or z yeah like we've talked about in the past like brian stelter doesn't

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have time to play all your clips yeah so he's going to make broad generalizations that are

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accurate but you can attack him by saying he didn't play the clips right so a show like

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ours i think is super important because then you can be wary of him and then when he says

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they don't play the clips because they do they do i know what you said yeah you know

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you can have that yeah so i don't know i don't want to toot our own horn but i think that

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is the that is the void that we can fill incredibly well yeah um so that's why so the only real

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solution to alex jones is for everyone to know who we are it would help even if not

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everybody listens to our show necessarily but just knows us as a resource of some sort

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right yeah yeah yeah people knowing that this is their uh uh i think it helps because like

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i said you can't go to brian stelter to get breakdowns of why alex is wrong and often

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even things that are posted on media matters are just clips and then like the transcript

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of it of something inflammatory it doesn't necessarily break down why this is crazy yeah

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it's just crazy on its face right i think there's a value to that to some extent but

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i don't know we need every article about alex jones to end with a little and for confirmation

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like our like on wikipedia alex jones uh uh you know like sources cited should just be

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us and linking to all of our episodes and also we i need i need because i don't expect

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you to do this i need a much more robust database of the things that we've covered about him

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with a lot of the proof so people don't have to just go to the episodes when somebody starts

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paying you a shit ton of money from uh from like right wing watcher or media matters or

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something to do that then fuck yeah you should do it until then i wouldn't do it for free

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dan might be a hobby i wouldn't do it for free well uh speaking of doing things for

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free i'm not sure that's a good transition yeah we'll find out muscle memory kicked in

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um so we'll get to the we're back to the 23rd now so no we've dealt with hurricane katrina

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yeah we've dealt with this interview with uh hop hop good who did not cry alex is lying

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about that uh he was a classy gentleman and now we get back to the 23rd and alex is back

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on his bullshit trying to make you super scared but while he's trying to make you super scared

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he's trying to build in a back door because he knows that all the things he's making you

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afraid about aren't going to happen yeah let's see i've been moral i'm not putting myself

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in that position i have at least four years of horrible food i have firearms now let me

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add if you try to take me to some sports stadium you try to drag me off the back of a flat

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bag truck like you're doing with with the military drills right now okay folks i'm not

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going there for my family to be raped and killed okay it's not going to happen so back

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off stand down do the right thing yourself morally get yourselves ready and then we can

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avert this if we get ready and prepared and geared up and get the word out politically

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they will back off of this and they'll just say it was a bad recession there's still a

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few months to pull out of this they are gauging they are testing they are looking at things

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so this is the cowardly way alex always presents most of his fear-based narratives he's making

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it much more overt in that clip than he usually does but it is the like if we do something

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then my fear won't come to pass and then that will be what ends up happening inevitably

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yeah i know that the outcome of this is we're going to bounce back from the the crash that

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happened i know that things are going to normalize and we're going to be okay and all they're

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going to do is call it a bad recession when what it really was was a manufactured event

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to try and test whether or not they're going to be able to steal your guns and whenever

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they don't steal your guns you'll know it's because we stopped it right because they didn't

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steal your guns and they're lying to you about it just being a bad recession it definitely

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isn't that it was just a bad recession it's caused by 20 years of terrible fucking management

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after the deregulation of okay never mind it's self-confirming propaganda which is the most

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dangerous sort because if you're dumb you'll just buy into it and you'll be like okay well

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no matter what you don't realize that no matter what outcome alex gets to pretend he's right

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yeah it's a it's cheating it's basically just it's fortune telling it's a three-card monty

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game that he's playing with his audience yeah he knows where the queen is all the time he's

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fucking fleecing you that's all he's doing you will meet a stranger wearing red shoes

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he might as well just be fucking saying that or you're you're somebody who likes to go

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out a lot but sometimes you like to stay in you like to stay in oh my god that's me that

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is so me yeah stupid i went to a fortune teller once it was really fucked up yeah i got i

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got taken for a ride i mean i didn't okay i didn't buy into it but the thing was that

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like it was a cash cab style fortune teller the price was much more than what it appeared

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to be advertised as i think i think i walked away paying like 40 bucks or something like

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that because your fortune was too good no it was the vaguest pile of shit i've ever

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seen she was like uh oh someone in your life is going to get sick uh but they're very old

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like oh bold prediction like i was like i thought this was a cliche i thought this was

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just what people like made fun of fortune yeah step up your game man the entire experience

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i was like this is this is really disappointing did she vomit ectoplasm at you did not but

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there was no there was cheesecloth okay that's good yeah that was just uh on the side what

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is cheesecloth cheesecloth is cloth made of cheese i think that's true and yet it can't

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be true it's not i really it's a very porous cloth okay uh do some research on your own

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time i'm sorry i just i just can't so 2009 is on our plate oh that was bad now oh lost

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my train of thought like a like a roll of cheesecloth it is on our plate ready to be

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devoured so what's going on in the world in 2009 is so foreign to current day because

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glenn beck still hasn't been disgraced like right he always was looked at by right thinking

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people as kind of a goof uh and a asshole a silly monster um but he is not he didn't

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have the fall from grace that he has now where everyone's like he still had a big fan base

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and he was the golden boy of the what alex views his audience as right because you had

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people like sean hannity and rush limbaugh who are much more mainline republican race

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conservative folk yeah where you had glenn beck coming in with not the same sort of libertarian

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fury that alex has but he had much more of a corner of the market that was not the same

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as a hannity or uh he i would put him closer to like the neil bort's camp which doesn't

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mean anything to you i just listen to tons of no idea who neil bort is he was this guy

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he wrote a bunch of books about the flat tax and uh he had a black sidekick named royale

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yeah royale was pretty cool what i wait what i love the neil bort's program i can't remember

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what his female sidekick was but she was also a weird caricature anyway it's are you talking

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about the lone ranger no man i love that show the lone ranger no neil bort's okay i used

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to when i managed a movie theater a lot of my time had to be spent like ordering supplies

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uh scheduling movies for the next week you know planning the schedule of you know what

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theater movies would be in making schedules for the employees doing payroll uh balancing

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drawers counting the safe stuff like that so i ended up back in the office for large

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portions of the day when i was the manager because my responsibilities were somewhat

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on the floor administrative a lot of it was administrative yeah and so i would end up

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being there and like you close a movie theater at like two in the morning your last movie

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start at midnight you end up getting out of there at two and by the time it gets to be

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about like 10 there's not that much to do a lot of the time except make sure everything's

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running smoothly do your paperwork and stuff like that so i'd be back in the office and

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i'd just listen to tons of conservative radio i would listen to the station 93.9 the eagle

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and they had glenn beck they had uh hannity and then in the uh towards the evenings they

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would have uh neil bortz and then they'd have uh my main man who i still think is really

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awesome phil henry he wasn't a conservative but i don't know what he was doing on this

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station do you know phil henry no god damn i've heard that name before though so his

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show was that he what he would do is he would have an interview with a fake person he was

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doing that voice too so oh so he was doing no actually i do know who this guy is because

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that guy is all is like a uh he's a parallel to like a uh you're joe frank i don't know

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like that's joe frank is a guy who okay well look into joe frank and i'll look more into

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phil henry so phil henry one of the things that blew my mind was he had so he would do

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his own callers or his own interviews would be himself so he's doing himself as the straight

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man host wacky interview subject who would say something fucking inflammatory and then

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he would take calls and be both characters and he would antagonize the caller as both

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people and it's the most brilliant thing i've ever heard in my life how could he not be

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on conservative radio i don't know that's exactly where he should be it was i guess

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that's probably the like marketing model because yeah people who are going to be tricked by

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it yeah of course he had one character uh who was teds of beverly hills uh heads well

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that's his restaurant so ted from teds of beverly hills okay he's like this really rich

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guy who's got like a restaurant uh-huh one of the times i heard him on it was very close

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to after 9 11 it was not far after i might have been within a month or two okay he's

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coming on and he's like uh so ted is again it's phil doing the voice yeah his whole bit

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is that i will pay to have the world trade center rebuilt i'll take care of all of it

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i'll take care of all of it don't worry about it i'm very rich man i'd like to help out

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the country i'll pay for it all but there's one condition and that is that i need there

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to be a plaque at the base of the new towers that have the names of everyone who died that

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day to memorialize them and then beneath it my daily specials

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i was listening that is fucking genius i love that so much that's insane i was listening

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to that i'm like holy shit that is insane that's brilliant people kept calling in like

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what the fuck oh brilliant god that's so good that's so good like it's the best kind of

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creative trolling so i'd listen to that and then coast to coast am would come on so i'd

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listen to the ghost stuff yeah because of the phil henry and coast to coast which are

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palatable shows i ended up listening to that station more and more which is why i got the

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neil bort's yeah stuff in that's why i know about him um but all this is to say that at

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that time glenn beck was a relevant figure and i think that alex jones is a little bit

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jealous because he's being much more successful and much more penetrating in the mainstream

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glenn beck is so towards the end of this episode here on february 23rd alex has a clip of glenn

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beck's that he's particularly mad about and he decides to play it and i don't want to

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we're going to listen to a little bit of the glenn beck portion yeah but i think it's really

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interesting to hear alex's response at the end of it uh... that's much more uh... telling

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i believe and also it's really interesting to hear glenn beck sound like future alex

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jones as opposed to alex's narrative where he's like glenn beck is always ripping me

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off right see if you can uh... tell what i'm talking about their that's tied into what

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would happen in the middle east is also tied in to just running over europe europe itself

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is teetering with uh... uh... is a muslim extremists as well

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local is the world stand without america

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standing there and being prepared to deal with it

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glenn you know this this is a very important point that you brought up what happens with

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america not there is exactly what happens when the teacher leaves the classroom a lot

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of these people go wild i'm talking particular in the muslim world and what you have in what

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western europe in particular is that they are no longer going to be able to be embarrassed

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that how we interact with them how we think about them and how they deal with this threat

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over there they're gonna fold like a cheap wallet they already are falling so i was right

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here welders where they wouldn't let him in to speak yet invited to the house of parliament

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there so this is a big problem and then one also said that his goal was to cripple us

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economically so i don't have enough of that i don't have time to do that there's even

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more it look it's all just a bunch of twisting the united states is funded the drug war to

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go after cartels are under cut that's why mexico is collapsing the bankers

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we told us before we told gas was you know well was a hundred and forty seven dollars

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a barrel it was in the middle of fifteen it did to cripple and cause insurrection rebellion

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worldwide insider trade and this is world war three this is the new order ring and financial

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collapse against the u s against everybody and they're busy telling about the muslim

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extremists they engineered back in the eighties are going to get us if the u s doesn't continue

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the police for the world so the bottom line is invade the world or all dead with the rein

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corporation said three months ago that he destroyed a giant world war and uh... this

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is it folks and uh... you know it's just just pathetic wild as wild as wild that is fucking

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wild and so my new operating thesis based on that especially and based on alex's uh...

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saying that his traffic is spiking wildly is he's going to get uh... up in his head

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a little bit is ego is going to get the better of him and when he sees glenn beck becoming

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the figure of the tea party he's not going to be able to stand it he hates glenn beck

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he's going to start adopting some of the things that glenn beck is putting out into the world

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a little bit more such as that anti-muslim sentiment that we heard there that is not

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super uh... persistent in alex jones in two thousand nine i still think he's a big it

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of course towards all of car in two thousand nine but his particular hatred and distrust

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of muslims is not as uh... focused as just even that glenn beck clip was

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it's wild

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why is it that

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why is it that sometimes alex in two thousand nine

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sounds like me now

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seven years am i going to sound like alex now

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is that how that works so this is that is that what happens

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no i don't think that like it is there like a uh... a pre-planned narrative for people

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like us maybe we're just in like the first season of the wire but we're not characters

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in it yet you know okay okay you know those people in the

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spoiler alert in the last season of the wire everyone takes over the roles of the mantle

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of uh... yeah you know dukie becomes the new bubbles thus showing you that the cycle of

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violence never ends yeah or uh... new chris whichever you would want to say he takes over

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so like you have chris marlo uh... partlow uh... so you have

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marlo is uh... different character dick alright alright alright so but you you have that sort

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of generational uh... there must be one and it is interesting and fun to think about like

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maybe that is maybe that's your future maybe you become the next alex jones man that'd

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be fun but i don't want to be that i don't want to be the what i'm saying is like alex

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jones back then was crazy

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but he occasionally fucking somehow nailed it

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but i mean even i mean i mean even though you know he was lying about some parts but

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i mean for real like that was

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that was actually good analysis but he only is able to muster that because he hates glenn

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bet

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like it's not like that's right genuine or sincere right and it contradicts some of

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like very soon narratives on his part well that he will believe soon the only reason

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i'm right about everything is because i hate dick cheney like that's it once dick cheney

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dies who knows what i'll think sure then you'll be off it's all spite it's all spite

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uh... so now we move on to the twenty fourth and there's not a ton to get into and go over

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on the twenty fourth to be perfectly honest but i needed to just get it done with because

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we need to move through this and get to the point where we need the tea party to show

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up exactly and because of things that keep happening it's slowing us down i really hoped

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we'd be there already but i kinda thought we would be but let's check how many episodes

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into two thousand nine and we've made it through like two weeks yeah but none of it's a waste

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that's true uh... so we get in

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uh... and alex has a new thing he wants to scare people about it's not new but it's new

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to the episode uh... today

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uh... and that is the public schools are going to kill you

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i mean here in austin home school is great you put your child in a public school you're

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asking for it they do one thing wrong they raise their voice

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the police write them a ticket for disturbing the peace

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then they call before a judge yep it's all legal ease they order the family to sign an

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agreement

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that the child's on probation

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a contract and the next time your child's like the clash they go to jail

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and then federal and state money kicks in

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and they've had a very nice and white house mentally ill and put them on pro

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zacker ritalin

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they go

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from getting three or four thousand dollars a month of these facilities

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to in some cases as much as ten

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thousand dollars in million

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dollars sir

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your kids speaks up in class they're going to get on

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legal probation

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that's exaggeration

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i don't have to trust you based on admiralty law

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that uh... that flag you have a split allegiance to as gold thrilling on it

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that means that uh... jolly roger

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uh... going to prison

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the teacher left the room i am now officer of the court

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that stuff's bullshit but then alex gets into something that was coming out in

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the news at that time that is very real uh... and uh...

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he does a bad job covering this and uh... get to why on the other side

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pennsylvania rocked by jailing kids for cash scandal

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at a friend sleepover more than a year ago fourteen-year-old

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swartley

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white pocketed change from

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unlocked vehicles in the neighborhood by buying

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chips and soft drinks

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the cops calling

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there was no need for attorney

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jen phelps mother any shortly

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who thought that most of the judge would slap her son

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for the final or community service

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but she was shocked as i read a great slam cup

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and shackled the courtroom and says to a youth detention center

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then he was shipped to a boarding school for troubled teens

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for nine months

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as he did in the whitewash was here you why the local pennsylvania articles

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like a class three times

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posting a joke about

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the principal under her free speech

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red flag right there

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it's incredible

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so he's saying that the cnn article is a whitewash and it's not i have it here in

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front of me he just didn't scroll down far enough on the page

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visit that article talks about a fifteen-year-old named hillary hillary

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transdue

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uh... she was sent to a wilderness camp for mocking an assistant principal on

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her myspace page

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uh... this judge also whisked thirteen-year-old shane bligh who's

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accused of trespassing in a vacant building

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from his parents and can find him in a boot camp for two weekends

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he sentenced kurt kroger seventeen years old detention five months boot camp for

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helping a friend steal dvds from walmart also he's an asshole fucking

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judge this is a situation where in two thousand eight judges michael conahan

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and mark ceo uh... c of a rally

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were accused of excuse accused and found guilty of accepting money in return for

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imposing harsh injunctions on juveniles

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to increase occupancy at for-profit detention center what's which is really

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kind of just a kid's bob version of the prison industry as a whole

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not saying that makes it okay but the outrage you feel when it's being done to

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children should also apply

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when it's being done to adults

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there's a received money from people

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only private prison

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private uh... juvenile detention centers

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yeah it's only that sure is sociopathic and maybe we shouldn't allow psychopaths

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to be judge that's all i'm saying judges that's all i'm saying that's all maybe

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we should have a psychopath test

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maybe john ronson should interview every judge before they take office yeah so

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uh... this this one uh... guy uh... c of a rally sort of the main uh... main

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focus of this

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uh... they found uh... that he and conahan had taken illegal payments of

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nearly one million dollars from the youth center

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then hid the uh... hid the money

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so c of a rally was sentenced to twenty eight years in federal prison because

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there was a hit not long enough though no not at all not long enough through

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uh... and the other guy was sentenced to believe seventeen and a half years

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because he pled guilty

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uh... so the issue is that they chart they

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did this to a lot of kids uh... some estimates are up to like five thousand

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or so

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but also they should be murdered the he the death penalty is not

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nice enough to them the uh... so what they ended up doing because of like

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finding out about this and uh... and uh...

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the trials and everything

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is that they just vacated all of the sentences that they had issued

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over uh... you know sir yeah cuz cuz duh you're the least you could do

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yeah and then the victims families sued and won a lot of money yeah you're

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goddamn right in a state of fucking whatever should be you can't imagine the

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damage that was done and one kid uh... who was sentenced uh... did end up

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committing suicide

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and so like the idea of like on

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on

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uh...

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uh... what's the right word on uh... you can check the power now you can't undo

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it that sort of thing oh yeah i don't matter what you've given the irreversible

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yeah that's kind of yeah

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the sort of uh... the sort of damage that's just like impossible to undo

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is there and it's very very awful which is like what how many people in rikers

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island who are waiting on like three years for a single fucking trial like

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there

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the the right to a fair and speedy trial is gone right as as a great late relates

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to adults yet real big problem yeah

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the phenomenon of incarcerating an institutionalizing children is not

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something that's new nor is it something unique to this case in pennsylvania

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it's notable because there's such a clear quid pro quo where the judges

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clearly received payments to fill the private general halls dammit the issue

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as it always is with alex's narratives comes down to race

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according to the sentencing project quote nationally the youth rate of

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incarceration was a hundred and fifty two

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per one hundred thousand

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black youth blue youth placement rates

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was four hundred thirty three per one hundred thousand compared to a white

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youth placement rate of eighty six per one hundred thousand

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overall the racial disparity between black and white youth in custody

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increased twenty two percent

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since two thousand one

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dammit black youths are five times more likely to be incarcerated and this is

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something that goes on in pretty much every state with no charismatic

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propagandist screaming about how it's a globalist attempt to break up the

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families

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alex doesn't care about that he cares about this case in pennsylvania

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and it may be because it's in the news and he's lazy and that's just an easy

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thing for him to talk about but i would suggest that there's something else

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that's more relevant to him

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namely that this judge uh... the city he was in wilkes-barre is ninety two point

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three percent white

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the county louisair county

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ninety six point six percent white

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so this judge was doing it to white people and that's why it's an issue and

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that might also be why he got in trouble

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but it's also why alex cares about it

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as is always the case of alex he does not care about the problem at all

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until he feels it's hurting white people at which point he screams bloody murder

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about it and never recognizes that the black activists that he actively ignores

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or straight up impugns have been trying to draw attention to the same problems

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for years

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in short if i could submit this anyway i would say alex jones is a gigantic

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flaming racist

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yup

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so no disagreement now do you see the also america is a giant flaming racist

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i don't disagree with that yeah but do you see how their multiple narratives on

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this episode that he's going through that all

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intertwined with the same business line of like

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they're doing it to white people

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whatever it is the gun confiscation in katrina that's that same thing

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this

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uh... you know kids being sent to detention centers because it's

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profitable

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this is the same thing he doesn't care until it affects

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his own this is such a parallel to

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uh...

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to right now like

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the idea of

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uh... people being angry if that if a tape is released by uh... what's-her-face

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uh... overall uh... overall so where where uh... trump says the n_-word right

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right

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yeah

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he's still

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it doesn't even fucking matter if he does or does not have an n_-word tape

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he's the most racist sure

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like because of shit like this because of this kind of like

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obvious

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racism

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and yet some of the it like a white people would give a shit if he says the

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n_-word is like

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why would you give a shit if somebody own slaves but never said the n_-word

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their owning slaves is the issue i saw one interesting take on it i guess and

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uh... you know you hate to bring up takes

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i don't like takes but uh... i remember was that someone as opposed to uh...

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uh... argument that was along the lines of because the media is so fucking lazy

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and won't do their job

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the idea that there is a tape like that were it to come out they would then be

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forced to

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be like trump is a racist

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yeah like the media would then have to cover it that way because they're so

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reductive and can only call someone racist if they hear them saying the

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n_-word yes so like the idea is maybe it would force the media into a box

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where they couldn't do this

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dance around like right races driver mark uh...

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said that that's one benefit but other than that

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i agree with you it doesn't matter at all

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the proof of the putting is in the eating

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yeah um... and uh... all of this stuff uh... everything they do is fucking

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white nationalist

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you know and uh... the

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with the cops and uh... everywhere are an arm of the cake a great and play what

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do you what do you fucking me

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at this point what do you feel what more do you need right and then again to make

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it even more clear to what we talk about in the point of this show

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the arguments that alex has gotten worse yes absolutely he's gotten worse but

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this is always been there

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at least a decade of this has been like what he cares about is these

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is white yeah

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there they're going to do shit to white people narratives

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so uh... in this next clip uh... he says something irresponsible about family

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courts

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well the courts are real these family courts are constitutional

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we didn't have them

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till

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about nineteen twenties the few areas have earlier

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and they were called

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racial hygiene courts

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slightly different

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there that's where the social services in the health department

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it's all designed to kill you

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okay see my film in game i have the mainstream

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newsreel clips

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go back to our coverage of india or information about that but it's

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interesting now that i was also if you want to hear se pizza about four five

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hours and i think i got most of that oh that's good are i think though that like

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now that alex's wrapped up in family court i'd love for them to play that in

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court it seems relevant hit

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yeah that one that would make you could have put in there they go if you want to

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play that

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the baby that when you could have

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and look you're you're not a lot of stuff isn't admissible

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got the image that is now mister jones i understand you believe my primary

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function is to kill you yes you can't play the tape I'm going to have to call

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Dan Friesen to the stand I'd fly to Austin to testify Dan you have brought a

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boombox because you are from the 80s apparently but go ahead and play what

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you have to say click so in this next clip Alex gets way off in a fantasy that

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I just think is gross and I only kept in because I don't know why I kept this in

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honestly a year in jail and then you read what happened to these kids some of

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them die in custody others come out totally mind blown they hop them up

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they're away from their parents they're on Prozac Ritalin they start having

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seizures and they put them in a mental institution oh then the cash really

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racks up and after the kids done 18 years old totally brain fried shock

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therapy they throw them out on the street and that's the people you laugh

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at that have the signs saying we'll work for food most of them aren't even winos

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I've talked to them they've been in mental institutions and I go tell me

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your story well I was 12 I got the fist fight and they you know the guys 32 looks

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like he's 60 I'm a documentary on these guys and I got in a fight at the back of

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the school and then they put me in juvenile started drugging me I know I'm

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crazy I deserve it they shocked me over and over again let me guess when you're

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right here they let you go yeah I've been on the street since then that's

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your sickening degenerate government so Family Court is to blame for all the

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homeless and then also I'd like to say that the only reason he wants to make a

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documentary about these people is to use them as a prop so what he is fucking

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saying is that capitalism when applied to the health care and justice system is

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a fundamentally exploitative issue so that maybe capitalism is the fucking

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problem maybe it's that everybody fucking makes money off of all of this

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shit and maybe it shouldn't be a fucking allowed why are you making my argument

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for me it's frustrating god damn it you fucking idiot at the same time I don't

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think that what he's saying necessarily tracks one-to-one like I don't think

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that's that I don't think that victims of Family Court are necessarily to cause

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most of the homelessness and I'm not I'm not saying that I'm saying that if if

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you follow his fucking argument every part of it is all about profit driven

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outcomes right even even if he is right human exactly yeah even if he's right

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right right right or wrong you're talking about a more important argument

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he's making exactly fucking insane why are people allowed to be existing like

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him I don't know it's wild huh you're so fucking stupid yep and another person

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who's stupid is a caller that he gets here on the 24th this caller calls in

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and lists off what he would describe as the big globalists see if you see a name

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missing from this list I think at the Rockefellers the Dupont the Rothschilds

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the Nobels the royal family in England the the Dutch royal family with Dutch

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shell hello you got that into the varmint hammer including Al Gore who's

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one of the biggest shareholders in Occidental petroleum you know they

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said over the last 200 to the lab 70 years have raped the world caused these

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problems and they've been able to profit handsomely by that he's just I mean a

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lot of that is just an under collar conspiracy talk but no Soros in there

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baby so up to this point still no mention of that guy he's not he's not in

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them he's not in the game why don't they ever add it's like even then he added in

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oil companies like even tertiary Lee through Al Gore well that's because it's

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but it's like they're all literally raping the world at this well because

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it's such a part of Alex's world dude he's mirroring back a lot of yeah stuff

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yeah but you if you even throw in one oil company you have to admit that you

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threw in all the oil companies like they're all fucking doing whatever it is

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youth their names you think the Rothschild they're not talking about

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raping the world you the way you think of it they're just talking about

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economics and taxes that's all they're talking about I'm still I'm still yeah

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all right I agree fine the bigger point is that Soros is not in the conversation

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no yeah and that's an important thing to check off when just fucking show I mean

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who knows we'll find out who hates Soros the most Vladimir Putin ah it's

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interesting and one of the things if people I've gotten some people who are

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like concerned that Alex being taken off the internet is gonna somehow ruin our

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show or something like that yeah don't worry about it rest assured I have at

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least two years of episodes on my external hard drive that I have not

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listened to I've been front-loading a lot of downloading so we have plenty of

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stuff to go over because I need to know this yeah in the same way that I needed

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to know what happened during the election for yeah coming into team Trump

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I need to know when Soros happens yeah that is something that I will not quit

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this show even if you turn into the next Alex Jones and leave the show I will

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keep doing it on my own until I figure out when the fuck did he start hating

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George Soros it does kind of seem like I I could like the the thing the

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interesting thing about our villain backstory is that is that like the the

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only thing that keeps me in check is the fact that you actually do research like

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if I were let loose on my own I might just start claiming all kinds of shit

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you know me crazy yeah that's true I mean the sky's the limit yeah I have no

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I have no qualms most of it would probably sound more based in at least no

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because you do the same thing you just reference an article I would read all of

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it though most of it I would okay more than him I would scan it right do you

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hear what Glenn Greenwald said about some bullshit still better source than

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the Washington Times that's true so we got one more clip left and again much

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like that last one that last clip was kind of just like I'm wrapping up the

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show here we had a check-in no Soros and the narratives yet we get this which I

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think is an interesting threefold revelation of where his head is at and

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it's a caller who's talking about how like you know again reinforcing Alex's

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thoughts that he espoused earlier about how his time is now you can't see him

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his time is now he's the John Cena of politics okay all right and so that

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caller is telling him like you're gonna you deserve to be the biggest fox is

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ripping you off that sort of thing yeah and it wouldn't be for another two years

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that Fox would start ripping him off more than that but we get to this Alex

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says three things about support or non support that are very interesting let me

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bring it to a crop tree because this is what I think it is if Fox has for years

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been following orders and beating the drums of war for a conflict with Iran

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they have I would be assaults I are real looks like that may be on the horizon so

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if they now have faker puppet news from them like back painting these you know

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crazy real scenarios on Fox like the bubble effect alongside guests at a

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retired CIA and military paid TV pundits is that not an imminent sign of times to

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come in the very very near future yes you could every day

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you know stand against this tyranny right now you know they're showing us

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what they're gonna do well that's what Michael sandwich does he says I'm

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finding the new world order and the new world order is Iran and Iraq and they

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really do have WMDs and now they're saying Iran has WMDs Ireland and I'm a

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fan of a lot of stuff Iran does but the point is the IAEA is there this is non

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weapons-grade what they're making and Israel admitted in in in Israeli papers

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last week we read we read it on air out of the papers that they're staging

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assassinations and bombings to try to destabilize Iran that's an act of war so

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in one sentence in one fell swoop there he hates Michael Savage or doesn't

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support Michael Savage thinks he's trying to get a war with Iran go shit

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yeah he believes that Iran is within the confines of the IAEA he right Pompeo is

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great he doesn't think that everything they're doing is great but he supports

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Iran and he believes that Israel is committing acts of war so that's where

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we are yeah that's where his beliefs stand here at the end of February 24th

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2009 I can't wait for this to change because it'll be meaningful there's a

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lot of 180 degrees that is about to happen yeah yeah a lot of everything

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except the white shit everything is gonna change everything except the white

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shit yep the only thing that is stayed consistent is white supremacy so I guess

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that's a you know what at least he can hang his head on that he's a white

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supremacist and he's been so from the beginning right and like and he's from

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Texas who would have guessed what a shock yeah he's consistent about that if

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nothing else yeah I do mean nothing else except for his shadowy fake group of

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enemies he's very consistent about that too and that's fine it's it's fascinating

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I am fascinated by that concept like everything is negotiable except white

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supremacy like that's non-negotiable that's the only thing you got well

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that's what a lot of white supremacists think I know but like that but why I

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want to understand that point of view where it's like I have no beliefs other

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I have no like central life lies other than whites are better than blacks and

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so I will let everything go I will play team sports forever but if Trump was

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like hey white supremacists are bad which he only even kind of begrudgingly

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half-said which everybody already knew was a lie hmm the only thing the only

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thing that would be the only thing that would get people that support Trump off

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the Trump train is him being like I am going to make Martin Luther King jr. day

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a week like that's it I'm trying to process what you're saying and I'm my

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mind is rattling around because I was thinking about like other issues that

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are negotiable to some extent and why it wouldn't really matter because thinking

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about things like I don't know welfare or something like that and what I kept

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coming to in my head like with whatever issue you want to talk about yeah is

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that it's the same reason that I left philosophy as a major in in college I

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was a philosophy major and then I started to take a bunch of logic classes

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and I loved the formality and concreteness of logic you like math well

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some what math the math of words it's not even the math part about it that I

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liked it's that it was definite like if you act if you're willing a

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contradiction then you can't do that there are rules to that yeah whereas in

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philosophy in argument-based philosophy you could make an argument for genocide

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and I could make an argument against genocide and both of our arguments could

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be valid considered valid yeah they could be the only thing that you would

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be able to argue about is whether or not the premises are good right like do the

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premises that lead to the conclusion does it does it make sense right and

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that's so subjective in terms of who's arguing what's going on the only reason

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I bring this up is because that's the same feeling that I get about a lot of

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the issues outside of whiteness is rightness you know like all those other

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things you could make an argument that supports white identity for or against

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welfare you could create a public school system improvements argument yeah you

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could do all of that the only thing you can't do is make an argument for a

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pluralistic society full of acceptance and that's why it's the only

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non-negotiable thing yeah and it's reinforced by the idea that if we allow

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multiculturalism to creep into our society what it's going to do is going

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to diminish the whiteness and make it impure or whatever and to them to those

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people who believe those things that's something that can't be undone and

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that's why they've so vociferously defend the idea of their whiteness

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because they're like they're trying to come and take it away and eventually

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it'll be gone and we can't get it back because they believe it is superior

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Dan in what 10 sentences you just did the single best analysis that I have

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fucking heard Wow like oh no I mean of the I've read how many fucking like the

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life and Trump country articles have you fucking read a bunch yeah a million of

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them yeah and you just fucking in 10 sentence 10 sentences ruined all of

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their bullshit arguments that's exactly what it fucking is that's brilliant well

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that's brilliant to be fair the argument I was putting forth was also super vague

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because I'm not willing to come up with on the fly know it what the arguments

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for and against certain policies are but it's very easy to imagine what they

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could be no that's that's it look you can you could spend all the time you

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want writing those arguments but the point is your your analysis is correct

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thank you and I won't do that but also yeah neither we know better time to

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dismount than when I'm a genius so if I want to end the show early I can just

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compliment you and then we'll just fucking go before we end I would like to

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ask if you have any final thoughts because I think you were mad a lot I

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just wanted to make sure you got out whatever you needed to get out I don't

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know like what the the breadth of things that we talked about in three days in

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2009 mm-hmm is I think shocking giving the

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context that we live in in 2018 mm-hmm if we did three straight episodes of

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Alex now all the same it would be all the same everything would like in 2000

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in 2009 we got so many different bullshit thing with all this it's all

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jazz though it's variation yeah same theme yeah but it's still at least like

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oh you're tossing in homeschoolers that's great and then but even then like

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that homeschooler bullshit ties to drills and the drills then ties to the

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Iowa National Guard National Guard and and all of that stuff the the idea of

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confiscating guns ties to New Orleans ties to police oversight and all of that

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shit ties into his fucking what is it what is the the the private prison

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industry and all of that shit like this is good I like this this is like bad

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it's evil but it's good it's like good radio well you're responding to I think

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is that he had better writers back then he had better writer better chef or or

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at least he was better because even as I was going over it I wasn't like really

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focusing all that much on how inner intertwined a lot of these very

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different narratives are yeah so yeah it is interesting I will say in fairness I

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did cut out a lot of really repetitious stuff yeah because there are just a

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bunch of times he's talking about the states putting forth their 10th

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amendment right right there is a lot of that but it's like we can't we don't

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have time to know that every day no I'm sure but in in terms of what you cut for

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us to follow you you have to agree that were you to listen to three straight

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episodes today I never do that you would never be able to cut together the swath

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of things that we cut together in 2009 no not at all so yeah so that's my

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summation that's my final fun it's so much more fun I'll be back in the past

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for a while I think so too I think it's for the best and if you want to know

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about Alex Jones stuff in the present feel free to trust right-wing watch and

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media matters to have you covered on that front or people tweeting stuff

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whatever the outrage cycle that they're promoting at this point it's really the

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only thing that's going on yeah like there isn't a need for a much deeper

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analysis of it right and I because he's more shallow and I think actually you

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know hurting him in the present which I'm not it's not my primary motivation

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but I do want him to face some consequences that's that's your your

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angle I think that the best way to do that is to unravel what's going on in

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the past I think it's much more valuable so we'll see anyway we have a website

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knowledge fight calm we do you could follow us on Twitter right now right

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correct we're on Facebook we are you gonna join our group go home and tell

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your mother you're brilliant amen which if you're new is a reference to Steve

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Pachannik exactly beyond that we're on iTunes Jordan it is your turn um well as

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much as I normally like to hate on anybody in a militaristic circumstance

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as you know you know I don't like the military right you know I'm not a fan

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of the arms complex I just don't understand where you're going with it

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well I would have loved to say I hate a hap good and he can go fuck himself okay

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but I can't he seems like an alright guy I thought you're boring I thought you

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were going the other direction no no no I I don't I don't I don't want to tell

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him to go fuck himself he seems like a good guy he's done better shit than I

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whatever what have I thought what have I donated some money to fucking Standing

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Rock he went to fucking Puerto Rico and helped people out for real and Katrina

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yeah like that fuck yeah that guy's great seems like a pending an investigation

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into whether or not he anyways um so I think the only answer is go fuck

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yourself the entire New Orleans Police Department Andy in Kansas you're on the

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air thanks for holding well Alex I'm a person color I'm a huge fan I love your

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work I love you