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| title = June 27, 2003
| caption = Listen to this episode on [https://knowledgefight.libsyn.com/617-june-27-2003 Libsyn] [https://open.spotify.com/episode/466uQHVXnHaaEzrfDG6Hht Spotify], Read the [[Transcript/617: June 27, 2003|Unofficial Transcript]], View discussion on [https://reddit.com/qua5kx Reddit]
| episodeNumber = 617
| length = 01:19:57
| airDate = November 15, 2021
| coverageDate = June 27, 2003
| episodeType = [[:Category:2003 Investigation|2003 Investigation]]
| appearance = [[Strom Thurmond]], [[Senator Robert Byrd]], [[George Wallace]], [[Trent Lott]], [[John Andrews]], [[Steve King]], [[Glenn Spencer]], [[Kevin McDonald]], [[Tariq Aziz]], [[JFK]]
| previousEpisode = [[616: November 9, 2021]]
| nextEpisode = [[618: November 15, 2021]]
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Today, Dan and Jordan dip back into the past. In this installment, Alex tries to pretend that Strom Thurmond wasn't racist, interviews an anti-Semite and an Islamophobe about how they don't like immigrants, and intrigues Dan with a tale about gold bars.

==Tidbits==

*Strom Thurmond died
*Strom got called racist because he cared about black people
*DixieCrat/ Southern Manifesto background
*People were more racist than Strom, like Senator Byrd
*[[George Wallace]] ties to Alex's background
*Trent Lott was a male cheerleader
*Guest: John Andrews, Colorado State Senate president, wants strict ID laws
*Mexican metricular cards
*John Andrews background: Islam is evil
*[[Steve King]] told John: teacher says that Mexico is taking back Iowa
*Alex fear mongers about terrorism from undocumented people
*Guest: [[Glenn Spencer]], founder of American Border Patrol
*Astlan conspiracy theory
*[[Kevin McDonald]] background: Neo Nazi
*Where is Tariq Aziz?
*Iraqi Republican Guard was paid off with gold bars
*Caller: You're being directed by god, just like JFK
*JFK woke up at the end and was killed for it
*Background: JFK was into world government
*Alex builds on Andrews's Mexico story
*Alex has friends in Glenn's group
*Glenn has phone issues
*Neocons won't put the heat on Bush
*Glenn has border sensors to catch people crossing
*Glenn: We should make our own consular IDs

==Detailed Show Notes==

Topics covered<ref>[https://knowledgefight.com/research/2021/11/14/episode-617-june-27-2003 Episode #617: June 27, 2003]</ref>:

*Strom Thurmond was very racist
*[https://d1lexza0zk46za.cloudfront.net/history/am-docs/southern-manifesto.pdf The Southern Manifesto]
*[https://www.theitem.com/stories/sen-strom-thurmond-switched-parties-in-64,314269 Strom Thurmond's party switch], and the [https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south larger party swap]
*Alex and John Andrews are mad about Mexican [https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/RL32094.pdf matricula cards], which are IDs issued by the Mexican consulate
*John Andrews [https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/images/olls/2003a_sl_293.pdf passed legislation] in Colorado to limit the forms of ID which public entities could accept as proof of identity. This was supposedly about stopping undocumented immigrants from flouting the law, but it also [https://web.archive.org/web/20080918025427/http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf really hurts citizens], particularly those living in poverty
*In 2019, [http://www.backboneamerica.net/america/2019/7/13/know-our-enemy-or-lose-our-liberty John Andrews gave a speech] about how the freedom of religion doesn't apply to Islam
*The trend of restricting what forms of ID could be accepted by public entities continued and resulted in [https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-109publ13/pdf/PLAW-109publ13.pdf the Real ID Act]
*[https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/glenn-spencer Glenn Spencer] was an old school self-appointed border guard, and doubtless the inspiration for the people doing it these days, including these [https://www.justice.gov/usao-nm/pr/larry-mitchell-hopkins-sentenced-21-months-federal-prison-illegal-firearm-possession-new two] [https://www.justice.gov/usao-nm/pr/man-sentenced-21-months-prison-impersonating-border-patrol-agent criminals]
*Glenn Spencer is also [https://web.archive.org/web/20081226015158/americanpatrol.com/SPENCER-GLENN/081223-JewInf-GS_081223.html an antisemite], who [https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/kevin-macdonald cites Kevin MacDonald] in his writing
*The [https://www.stripes.com/news/gold-bars-pique-173rd-s-interest-at-checkpoint-1.5892 story about gold bars] [https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2003-06-05-0306050213-story.html being found in Iraq] ended up [https://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/02/world/all-bars-that-glitter-in-iraq-are-not-gold.html just being bars of mostly copper] from melted down shell casings
*Alex doesn't know the difference between JFK's [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Strategy_of_Peace 1963 commencement speech at American University] and his [https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/american-newspaper-publishers-association-19610427 1961 speech] where he used the words "secret societies"
*JFK's [https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/united-nations-19630920 speech in the UN General Assembly] from September 1963
*The quote where JFK said he was going to destroy the CIA is definitely [https://gizmodo.com/the-story-behind-that-jfk-quote-about-destroying-the-ci-1793151211 not solidly sourced] and probably isn't real

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