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    | title         = [[710: Elizabeth Williamson Returns]]
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    | episodeNumber = [[710: Elizabeth Williamson Returns|710]]
    | length        = 01:09:57
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    | text      = N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight
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    | text      = Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.
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    | text      = Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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    | text      = I'm Jordan.
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    | text      = We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene from afar while
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    | text      = we're in this hotel room and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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    | text      = Oh indeed we are Dan.
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    | text      = Jordan.
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    | text      = Dan.
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    | text      = Jordan.
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    | text      = Quick question for you.
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    | text      = My bright spot, Jordan, is, I'm going to steal yours.
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    | text      = You've already stolen mine!
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    | text      = You fighting with Robert Barnes on Twitter.
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    | text      = No, that one wasn't mine.
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    | text      = Oh.
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    | text      = No, that's not mine, but yes.
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    | text      = I thought that was going to be for sure.
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    | text      = One of the great delights of my life, yes.
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    | text      = An Infowars character accidentally stepped into your Twitter mentions and got blown up
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    | text      = with all people saying good work Barnes, getting ratioed like crazy.
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    | text      = Oh man, I wouldn't have a nickname that is that belittling and then step into that arena.
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    | text      = That would be me.
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    | text      = I would avoid that.
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    | text      = It was fun to see, of all the Twitter nonsense that you're getting into, that it was definitely
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    | text      = a peak for me.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = What about you?
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    | text      = My bright spot, or my, I mean, my dark spot, I don't know.
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    | text      = Whatever it is, we found out today that the man, the myth, the legend, will be testifying
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    | text      = in open court.
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    | text      = Tomorrow, Alex Jones is supposed to take the stand in the trial as we're recording this,
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    | text      = or it'll basically be today as the episode's coming out.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = And you would think, because here's why it's my bright spot, because if you were a wise
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    | text      = man who was going to testify on your own behalf, you would absolutely stick to what you said
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    | text      = in your deposition, thus proving that you are not a liar.
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    | text      = That seems like it's going to be tough.
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    | text      = Oh yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah, because he said a lot of things in that deposition.
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    | text      = Oh yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah, I think that'll be wild to see, and I don't know what to expect.
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    | text      = I think I'm going to shave my beard so I can be super incognito.
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    | text      = We should definitely be doing that.
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    | text      = But yeah, we'll see.
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    | text      = We'll be there and give you all a full report on the other side.
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    | text      = Of course.
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    | text      = As we're recording today, as opposed to an episode talking about what's going on on Alex's
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    | text      = show, I thought it would be fun to have a guest come in and talk about the goings on
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    | text      = here in the trial, talk about some of the experiences that we've been seeing, some of
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    | text      = the coverage.
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    | text      = No way.
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    | text      = Would it be a guest who is also in Austin?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = No way.
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    | text      = Yes, but not in the room with us.
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    | text      = Absolutely not.
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    | text      = This stuff is dicey.
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    | text      = But welcoming back to the podcast, Elizabeth Williamson.
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    | text      = Thank you for joining us.
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    | text      = Hey, you guys.
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    | text      = Good to be not with you.
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    | text      = Now let me ask you this.
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    | text      = What is your bright spot?
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    | text      = Ooh yeah, obviously.
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    | text      = Oh my gosh.
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    | text      = So, okay.
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    | text      = So completely not trial related.
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    | text      = My bright spot was that for the first time since I've been here, which is almost a week,
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    | text      = I did get out for a run this morning and it was only 90 as opposed to 101.
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    | text      = So you must've gone for that run at like 3 AM or something?
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    | text      = It was at about 6.30.
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    | text      = I would have figured it would be 110 by then.
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    | text      = Yeah, no kidding.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Well, by the end, I have to say by the end it was getting close to Vomitsville temperature.
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    | text      = Totally.
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    | text      = Well, congratulations on mustering the drive to do that.
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    | text      = I've been telling myself I'm going to go to the gym in our hotel for, well, we've been
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    | text      = here a week.
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    | text      = I've been saying it for a week and instead I have s'mores snack mix.
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    | text      = I'm glad you enjoy them.
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    | text      = I bought them for you.
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    | text      = I think I did tell you guys about the shameful moment where I went out to go for a run and
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    | text      = I wound up at Voodoo Donuts.
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    | text      = And I told you there is no shame in that.
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    | text      = I'm running away from being healthy.
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    | text      = Yeah, that was really...
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = What'd you get at the Voodoo Donuts?
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    | text      = So they have a limited edition banana cream pie donut.
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    | text      = Yeah, that was a lot of frosting.
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    | text      = And then the diet donut that I got just to feel a little bit better about myself.
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    | text      = So it's the Voodoo Donuts version of a salad.
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    | text      = Cinnamon cake donut.
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    | text      = Ooh, yeah.
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    | text      = I got this peanut butter banana thing that was- Some sort of an Elvis situation?
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    | text      = No idea, but it was the size of a horse's flank.
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    | text      = Like it was absurd to try and fit that anywhere near my mouth.
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    | text      = I'm ashamed to say that over two days I ate a third of it.
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    | text      = Ooh, yeah.
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    | text      = Mine was so sort of sticky that I couldn't really finish it.
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    | text      = And then I didn't know what to do with it because I didn't want to throw it into the
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    | text      = hotel wastebasket.
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    | text      = Your room will just smell like donuts.
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    | text      = I actually put it in the toilet.
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    | text      = I thought this was going to be a, I threw it off a balcony situation.
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    | text      = I really thought that we were going to a different direction.
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    | text      = I mean, did you leave it there?
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    | text      = It's a solution to the problem.
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    | text      = No, I flushed it.
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    | text      = It was kind of like cutting out the middleman, right?
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    | text      = That is crafty.
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    | text      = Oh, the alligators got a little bit bigger yesterday.
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    | text      = And they all smell like bananas.
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    | text      = I personally can't get away from the oh captain, my captain, the captain crunch donut.
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    | text      = And I hate myself every single time.
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    | text      = Oh, it's good.
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    | text      = I eat it.
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    | text      = It's kind of stressful.
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    | text      = And you don't really know unless you do the QR code, which I'm not very good at what your
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    | text      = choices are.
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    | text      = So I'm looking at the sort of revolving, you know, that old school bakery, you know, like
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    | text      = diner revolving display as you get up to the checkout and you're like, all right, what
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    | text      = do I choose?
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    | text      = What do I choose?
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    | text      = It's kind of a, it's a stressful moment.
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    | text      = So I did see that, that poster.
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    | text      = I'm going to tell you something in a non misogynist way.
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    | text      = I'm going to do my best to do this.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = They deliver baby.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Oh, they do.
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    | text      = They'll bring it to your door.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I had to do that myself because I, I couldn't handle, well, basically the moment that you're
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    | text      = describing was the, uh, the kid in the candy store, but like, I'm not a kid.
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    | text      = I'm not going to soup Nazi a donut.
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    | text      = You bring it to my home.
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    | text      = Exactly.
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    | text      = I, it was kind of fun though, to go there early in the morning because it's a combination
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    | text      = of people who are like you who really want to get there before the line forms and people
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    | text      = who are waiting for you to buy them one and give it to them on the street.
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    | text      = So yeah, when I was in town for the depositions, I went there at night.
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    | text      = I went there at like, uh, after we'd all got done with everything, I think it was probably
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    | text      = like 11 or something and there were just drunk people hanging out at food or donuts.
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    | text      = Totally.
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    | text      = I think it is kind of an after the, yeah, after the party kind of place.
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    | text      = I'm not sure that's what I want after a big night.
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    | text      = If you're a donut shop that stays open past 11 you are giving drunk people donuts.
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    | text      = That's your business model.
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    | text      = I want, I want nachos or something filled with chili.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I think if I went there after the bars, yeah, I'd want like some kind of chili thing.
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    | text      = I think you just created a situation that gives Dan a heart attack in two years.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Chili, Mac, chili and mac and cheese inside a donut.
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    | text      = Oh, there's a million dollar idea Liz.
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    | text      = You've killed him.
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    | text      = You've killed my best friend.
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    | text      = How dare you?
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    | text      = It's like a pastry turducken.
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    | text      = So good.
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    | text      = Liz, we are here not just for donuts, although they are more positive in many ways than a
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    | text      = lot of the other stuff that's that's happening in town.
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    | text      = I think that's why we fled to that subject.
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    | text      = You got it.
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    | text      = Greener pastures, flushing donuts.
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    | text      = I told you that, that's kind of a shameful episode.
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    | text      = Hey, listen, you didn't tell us, you told everybody.
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    | text      = I know, I did.
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    | text      = Who amongst the wonks has not flushed a donut?
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    | text      = I will tell you, it is very rare to not find a fresh donut.
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    | text      = It wasn't a whole big thing.
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    | text      = I just, you know, I didn't, I didn't destroy the environment or ruin the plumbing.
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    | text      = That is how much we don't want to get to the trial is that we almost got there and then
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    | text      = immediately we're like, nope, back to donuts.
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    | text      = You turned.
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    | text      = So I wanted to ask you a little bit, because we're all in town to observe and experience
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    | text      = this trial.
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    | text      = You in a far more professional capacity than us, but you also have had more experience
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    | text      = on this story in particular, you know, following the Sandy Hook story with your book that came
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    | text      = out recently.
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    | text      = To engage in a cliche, you literally wrote the book on this case.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So I was wondering how you've experienced it so far.
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    | text      = So I have to say, you know, I, I worried about a little bit because as you say, you know,
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    | text      = writing the book, I got kind of invested in definitely the plight of the families and
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    | text      = got to know them pretty well.
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    | text      = And and today I, you know, listening to Mr. Crouch, the therapist who has worked with
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    | text      = Neil Hezlin and Scarlett Lewis, I did have a couple moments where I was, I really got
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    | text      = a little bit emotional about, you know, what he had to say about their struggle, you know,
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    | text      = with everything, you know, and he described this sort of two buckets, one, you lose your
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    | text      = son in a mass shooting, and the second bucket, people call you a liar and say that not only
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    | text      = was he not killed in that way that he never existed.
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    | text      = And and at one point, you know, they that Mr. Crouch, the therapist was being, you know,
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    | text      = prompted to say, Well, what does that actually mean?
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    | text      = You know, when when as a parent, you're kind of dealing with those claims.
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    | text      = And he said, you know, it's just so important to Neil and Scarlett, Jesse's parents that
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    | text      = he mattered, you know, that, that this was and Jesse in particular, has a very particular
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    | text      = And that's that, you know, he, when the gunman entered his classroom and started shooting,
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    | text      = there was a pause in the shooting where either the magazine jammed or he was reloading.
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    | text      = And Jesse yelled run, and nine children ran, and they survived.
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    | text      = And so, you know, one thing that I'm sure that Neil and Scarlett will speak about is
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    | text      = that he was actually given fallen heroes funeral, because the police, you know, recognize that
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    | text      = as an act of heroism.
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    | text      = And the children who survived said what had happened, and that's how they knew.
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    | text      = So that part of his life is tremendously important to Neil and Scarlett, as you can imagine,
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    | text      = and this idea that that would be taken from them.
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    | text      = The first thing they they both told me, and I met them separately.
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    | text      = But the first thing they told me was that story.
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    | text      = And so it's so important to them and to have that strip from them.
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    | text      = You know, and their their therapist, obviously, described it so well, it is it's like saying,
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    | text      = you know, it's, it's taking that last bit that someone would cling to, and saying that
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    | text      = these were his final moments, he was a fine child and and saved his classmates in his
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    | text      = final moments, and to think that someone in order to sell supplements, or, you know, I
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    | text      = would take that that that shred from you is really, that really got me I gotta say,
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    | text      = you know, the the thing that got me about that is the, the therapist, as much and as
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    | text      = powerful as that story was, when he was asked, what's the most important thing to the parents?
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    | text      = What's the most important thing to them?
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    | text      = He didn't say that his he was remembered as a hero, or he was remembered as somebody who
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    | text      = saved anybody.
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    | text      = He choked up.
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    | text      = And he said, the most important thing to me, or the most important thing to the parents
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    | text      = is just to let people know to let the world know that he lived.
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    | text      = that he mattered.
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    | text      = That word he mattered.
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    | text      = That was when I actually did have to look down and compose myself.
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    | text      = Oh, I cried like a baby.
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    | text      = I was in my hotel room.
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    | text      = I didn't have to worry about people like judging me in the courtroom, weeping uncontrollably.
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    | text      = That and you know why because that those words were Veronique de la Rosa, who is the mother
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    | text      = of Noah posner, who is the youngest Sandy Hook victim.
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    | text      = She right after the shooting, she said the same thing to Anderson Cooper in an interview.
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    | text      = She said, I just want people to know that he mattered.
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    | text      = He mattered, you know, and that, that, I don't know something about that for now I'm going
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    | text      = to have to take a beat here.
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    | text      = But take your time formulation is you know, like, it just speaks to how much is stripped
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    | text      = from you when you lose a loved one in this way, particularly your child, that you're
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    | text      = then kind of by yourself saying, he mattered.
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    | text      = I mean, really, that's, that just speaks to the utter desolation.
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    | text      = That that these parents must feel.
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    | text      = Yeah, I found I found almost everything that went on today.
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    | text      = Quite heavy and impactful.
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    | text      = Yeah, of course.
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    | text      = For a lot of those the same reasons we're touching on.
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    | text      = And that's one reason that I think I want to I want to ask you about a couple of questions
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    | text      = about the trial just because after we heard that testimony, we also saw the way that the
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    | text      = defense behaved in their cross examination and how the the judge was not happy with their
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    | text      = behavior.
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    | text      = Did you did you experience that in in that kind of way?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And so here's an interesting thing.
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    | text      = So as you can well imagine, there are a lot of lawyers in these parts who are watching
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    | text      = this trial because as we know, it's live streamed.
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    | text      = I know one of them was fighting with Jordan on Twitter earlier.
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    | text      = Hell yeah, really.
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    | text      = Yeah, good work, Barnes.
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    | text      = Yeah, okay him.
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    | text      = But also a lot of regular lawyers who are watching this and are just riveted by this
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    | text      = because it's such a challenging case for you know, the the families lawyers, obviously.
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    | text      = And certainly for Alex Jones's lawyers, but yeah, but they were saying, you know, one
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    | text      = of the things that you know, the unenviable position that Alex Jones's lawyer is in is
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    | text      = that he of course cannot attack Neil and Scarlett when they testify tomorrow.
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    | text      = So the alternative that he has is to attack, you know, Dr. Lubit, who was the you know,
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    | text      = the forensic psychiatrist who had, you know, spoken with them, and to attack Mr. Crouch,
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    | text      = their actual therapist.
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    | text      = So it's, you know, lower stakes to try and impeach them than to go head to head, of course,
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    | text      = with Jesse's parents.
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    | text      = So so that was sort of interesting.
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    | text      = But because the therapist, Mr. Crouch was so kind of a sympathetic character himself,
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    | text      = I mean, he actually filled up when he said that about, he mattered, you know, he was
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    | text      = filling up himself and, you know, he obviously feels very deeply, you know, for Neil and
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    | text      = Scarlett and for Jesse and JT, his older brother.
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    | text      = And so I think it was a lot more difficult than they had anticipated.
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    | text      = This wasn't a clinical guy, you know, this was somebody who was really very much invested
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    | text      = in the plight of this family.
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    | text      = And I think that made it super tough to kind of uncross come back and say, well, what about
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    | text      = this?
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    | text      = And that whole thing of showing him the diagnostic manual, the DSM-5 was just bizarre episodes
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    | text      = because my favorite thing that I think has ever happened, I've ever seen it.
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    | text      = It looked like he just Googled something he tried to he tried to catch.
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    | text      = So what happened was he was trying to catch, you're talking about the defense lawyers,
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    | text      = the defense lawyer was trying to catch the therapist in like a, you don't know the exact
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    | text      = definition of PTSD, do you?
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    | text      = So the first thing he did was he tried to bring up the definition to the therapist and
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    | text      = realized that he had brought the wrong version of the DSM, which was an issue.
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    | text      = So then he went to the APA's website to try and find the definition in the DSM-5.
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    | text      = However, he found the APA's summary definition of the DSM-5 and in so doing revealed that
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    | text      = he had no idea what he was talking about, the therapist went, I don't think I know what
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    | text      = you're talking.
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    | text      = I don't think I know what you're showing me.
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    | text      = And then he just changed questions.
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    | text      = And then the lawyer turned around and ran into a chef, 100% absolutely, absolutely.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Oh no, there are two guys walking by holding a glass pane.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I was watching, I was watching that and I did, I found it to be really uncomfortable
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    | text      = because even executed well, I don't really know how that's going to play.
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    | text      = And then just the fumbling of it was tragic.
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    | text      = That was really grim.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And isn't it funny, like no matter who you're watching, it's a public performance.
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    | text      = And so you're kind of cringing, no matter, you know, like just, just taking out, you
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    | text      = know, lawyers for the defense, lawyers for the plaintiffs, you know, just taking all
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    | text      = It's a public performance.
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    | text      = So whenever anyone stumbles or there's some kind of, you know, weird, awkward thing that
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    | text      = happens, you're just sort of vicariously cringing for them, regardless of where you are on the,
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    | text      = you know, the case at hand.
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    | text      = And so, yes, in that one, I was like, oh my gosh, like how, you know, how did that happen?
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    | text      = On the one hand, it's pretty daring to do this sort of ad hoc, I'm going to look something
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    | text      = up, you know, and I'm going to find it and I'm going to present it in open court.
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    | text      = And but, but you were sort of, I found myself thinking, well, he is a therapist.
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    | text      = And the DSM is something that therapists consult routinely.
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    | text      = So if you thought that you were going to call, you know, these definitions into question,
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    | text      = Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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    | text      = Like I said, daring is a fun word that you're using there.
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    | text      = It seems like desperate or dumb.
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    | text      = Tragically stupid.
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    | text      = Foolhardy is a great word.
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    | text      = I'll leave that to y'all to use my Texas, you know, just my little acquired Texas thing.
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    | text      = I don't know the exact definitions of any of these words.
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    | text      = Like in real court?
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    | text      = I mean, in cases, you know, where, you know, you have people, I imagine it comes up, but
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    | text      = I'm, I'm really, yeah, I'm really trying to understand Yeah, I don't I did not understand
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    | text      = what happened there.
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    | text      = That must be one of those pillow pounding middle of the night moments for that lawyer.
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    | text      = You'd hope, but I mean, like, also, I get the sense from, I don't know, maybe just a
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    | text      = vibe I'm getting off of him.
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    | text      = I don't think he beats himself up too much for coming off poorly.
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    | text      = That's just my sense.
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    | text      = Definitely not.
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    | text      = Texas Monthly is apparently doing a profile of Alex Jones's lawyer, Federico Andino Renaud.
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    | text      = And I will read that huge interest.
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    | text      = His name is Federico Andino Renaud.
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    | text      = Oh, what's his name again?
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    | text      = I'm sorry, I'm just kidding.
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    | text      = And you know, I think he's kind of like, from what the Texas Monthly reporter was telling
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    | text      = me, they are and and, and the lawyers for the families that that he's kind of that,
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    | text      = like a well known family name around here.
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    | text      = He had been an assistant US attorney, he was appointed by Eric Holder, I think, Jordan,
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    | text      = you picked up on that when I was tweeting that about his history.
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    | text      = And that it's not a matter of, you know, okay, sometimes it's, you know, this person will
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    | text      = pay you or what have you that it's, there's some idea here that, you know, that that thing
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    | text      = that lawyers say, you know, everybody deserves a defense might be more that than the payday.
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    | text      = Oh, yeah.
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    | text      = Oh, yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah, I'm sure I've seen his mentor sitting in court right next to him the entire time.
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    | text      = I'm sure it is not about money situation.
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    | text      = Oh, it's all about, it's all about everybody deserves their day in court, right?
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    | text      = Well, I mean, it's also like, to quote the wire, you know, it's a career fucking case.
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    | text      = That's true.
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    | text      = You know, like, this is the kind of thing that can really, but you know what, I gotta
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    | text      = say, like, recognizing that aspect of his history that it makes some of the stuff that's
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    | text      = going on look way worse.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I mean, there are, there have been repeated instances where he's shown witnesses, things
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    | text      = that he hasn't taken by to the plaintiff's attorneys for approval, which they've pointed
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    | text      = out a couple of times is like, yeah, those aren't mistakes that someone of that caliber
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    | text      = That's a strategic, at least not after mistake number four, then it's, you've got to expect
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    | text      = it's on purpose and the, the, um, getting into a fight with Mark Bankston and like giving
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    | text      = them the bird in court.
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    | text      = Like these are really, that felt like for me that, um, just observing that, that felt
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    | text      = to me like suddenly he realized this is not the place I want to be.
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    | text      = I don't want to be within a thousand miles of where I am.
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    | text      = I am kind of getting beaten up here in this case and yeah, and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm
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    | text      = really trying to like keep a 30,000 foot view here.
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    | text      = But to me, it felt like that moment in a wrestling match when someone's losing and they go for
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    | text      = a chair trying to get themselves disqualified as a fan of words, better way of putting it
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    | text      = than anything I can come up with right now.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = As a fan of words, I'm going to have to go with my favorite adjective for him at this
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    | text      = current time, which is eviscerated.
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    | text      = He's literally had his guts ripped from his body.
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    | text      = Yeah, because it came, that moment came, um, after, you know, the judge had admonished him
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    | text      = yet again and, um, he was losing that battle over exhibits and he was feeling frustrated
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    | text      = because who knows, maybe in his mind he genuinely felt like he'd been done dirty.
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    | text      = I don't know, but it just felt like a kind of like volcanic frustration that happened
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    | text      = right there.
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    | text      = Um, and for, you know, if he's like this kind of well-bred guy that, you know, we're hearing,
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    | text      = um, then it's super surprising that he would be a childish bully, a well-bred guy being
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    | text      = a childish bully, giving people the finger whenever they embarrass him.
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    | text      = That's crazy.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = That's the equivalent of picking up a chair and smashing it on the side.
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    | text      = You know what I mean?
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    | text      = That's, that's something that, you know, you can't do.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = It's, it's wild.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = But the thing that was sad was that, that all, that whole confrontation happened with
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    | text      = the parents of a murdered child standing 10 feet away.
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    | text      = And I think strategically when the, uh, judge wasn't in the room.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Like, I don't think he would have behaved that way if, uh, if judge Gamble was in there.
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    | text      = She said today that if she were available, she would have held him in contempt of court.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Correct.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = She said, had I seen, had I been in the room when that happened?
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    | text      = Um, yeah.
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    | text      = So she was definitely, I kind of, I kind of love as a defense for not doing anything is
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    | text      = like, well, because I only saw accurate live video of it occurring, I can't do anything
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    | text      = about the ref didn't see the chair.
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    | timestamp = 00:28:34.359
    | text      = I mean, that isn't what it is, isn't it?
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    | text      = The ref turned his back and then they hit him with the chair and then he turned around
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    | text      = and he was like, well, I can't prove it.
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    | text      = It's like, if I turn around while I'm driving this car and I see what you're doing to your
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    | text      = brother, then there will be problems.
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    | text      = Like, I know it's happening, but the minute I see it with my own eyes, you kids are in
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    | text      = trouble.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = You have the ability to do something once, uh, once it's observed.
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    | text      = Not to, not to ask you a question, uh, that might be uncomfortable, but exactly how many
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    | text      = times have you felt like you and the judge are both moms really trying to handle unruly
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    | text      = children?
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    | text      = I think that is kind of a theme here.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I mean, I think about that with Alex Jones.
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    | text      = I mean, just his behavior and the, you know, relatively rare occasions he turns up for
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    | text      = the proceedings.
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    | text      = It's like this kid who has stalled out in middle school, you know, I mean, even the,
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    | text      = the whole idea that he's traveling around, surrounded by bodyguards, I'm sort of thinking
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    | text      = like a high school hallway and you know, he's sort of like bought lunch for the whole football
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    | text      = team.
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    | timestamp = 00:29:56.920
    | text      = Oh my God, there's 10 other people.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = There's exactly 11 people with Alex.
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    | text      = It is literally the star quarterback being surrounded by the rest of the team.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = It's a defensive line.
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    | text      = I swear to God, I'll, I'll pay for your lunch if you just follow me down the hall to my
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    | text      = locker so no one beats me up.
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    | text      = I need, I need a big, a big muscle guys with guns too.
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    | timestamp = 00:30:20.640
    | text      = So actually I wanted to talk about one thing that did happen.
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    | text      = I've made reference of this on a previous episode, but you experienced it.
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    | text      = So I wanted to get your take on it.
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    | text      = It was from Tuesday of last week when Alex was there and was giving his little, he was
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    | text      = doing the press conference out in front of the the courthouse.
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    | text      = Oh yeah.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = This this was a situation where there was no one but security guards and you and Sebastian
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    | text      = Murdoch, uh, I believe in what was going on there from, uh, from, uh, Hearst.
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    | text      = Oh, okay.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = We had one other person.
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    | text      = Whoa, whoa, whoa, Dan.
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    | text      = Stop being so inaccurate.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Taking it out of context.
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    | text      = Anyways.
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    | text      = Sorry.
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    | text      = Sorry Liz.
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    | text      = I was, I was observing this from a safe distance and what it appeared to me.
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    | text      = Where were you like three blocks away?
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    | text      = I had binoculars.
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    | text      = I was on the roof of the building across the street, I was in the book depository, no,
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    | text      = I was maybe, right.
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    | text      = I was maybe 20 feet away, um, sort of just standing and, uh, vaping and, uh, giggling
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    | text      = a little bit because the spectacle of it was, was truly bizarre.
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    | text      = Um, and it appeared that my assessment was he didn't know, uh, what he didn't know that
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    | text      = you were you and that Sebastian was Sebastian.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = I think that's fair.
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    | text      = He just thought this was media.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Which is makes them happy.
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    | text      = Give me an idea of how many times you have met and spoken to Alex Jones via any different
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    | text      = Liz was masked up to be true.
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    | text      = True.
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    | text      = True.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Um, well I've never recognized anybody who was wearing a mask before, so I do understand
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    | text      = now that it makes perfect Alex has eye blindness.
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    | text      = He's face blind.
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    | text      = Um, so yeah, I mean I spent a lot of time with him, but it was in 2018 so I think, and
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    | text      = also I think in the heat of the, you know, like publicity moment, I think he just sees,
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    | text      = as you said, you know, I think he just sees people recording him as generic media, as
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    | text      = an audience, you know, like sort of faceless audience.
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    | text      = And so he was talking to, he did ask John from Hearst, you know, where are you from?
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    | text      = And John told him, and he seemed to think, okay, this guy's safe to talk to.
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    | text      = And in fact, props to John because he did ask him, so what is this medical condition
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    | text      = that your lawyers are saying is keeping you from being here?
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    | text      = I've got super cancer.
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    | text      = And he was like, oh, it's just not important.
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    | text      = And John being a really good journalist was like, this says that it's important.
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    | text      = So he was like, well, but really, you know, what is it?
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    | text      = And he goes, ah, it's not a big thing.
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    | text      = And he goes, no, really.
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    | text      = What is it?
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    | text      = And he goes, well, it's a hernia.
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    | text      = So he has an untreated hernia and that is the medical condition that has prevented him
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    | text      = from sitting through the trial.
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    | text      = I don't even believe that.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I was going to say that doesn't even sound reasonable to me.
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    | text      = I know.
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    | text      = I thought he was going to say something like, you know, I got this thing on my forehead.
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    | text      = I have to get removed or honestly, I feel like my response to that is, do you even lift
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    | text      = bro?
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    | text      = Like, I feel like that's my okay.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Well, you can get a hernia just from yelling probably.
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    | text      = I'm sure if that is true.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I would have asked if it was his like fifth or sixth bout of COVID that he's dealing with.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Because he seems to keep getting that.
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    | text      = He was coughing.
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    | text      = Another reason to keep my mask on.
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    | text      = Smart.
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    | text      = Smart.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So how long did it take for him to realize that this was not unknown media to him?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I think when, so Seb from from HuffPost, Seb Murdock asked him, well, what about this cryptocurrency
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = that you got as an anonymous donation because he was saying I'm bankrupt, I'm bankrupt,
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    | text      = I'm bankrupt.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = So bankrupt.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And, and Seb said, well, what about that 8 million?
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    | text      = And he said, well, it was actually, by the time we sold it, it was only worth seven.
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    | text      = I, I, I, I retract my criticism.
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    | text      = That is fair.
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    | text      = Yeah, exactly.
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    | text      = So, you know, to most people that does not equal bankrupt.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:13.559
    | text      = And so he, you know, persisted.
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    | timestamp = 00:35:15.880
    | text      = And then he said, I said something like, well, didn't you just pay a million dollars in sanctions?
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    | timestamp = 00:35:23.400
    | text      = And he was like, yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And I said, so you're not exactly broke.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And he was like, but when I pay it, it means it's gone, Walnut Brain.
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    | text      = That is a man who's got the goods.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And I was thinking, if you really wanted to insult me, like, why wouldn't you pick like
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    | text      = a smaller, you know, item?
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    | text      = Like, listen, Brazil, not brain.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I was going to say, like, why aren't you just following me on Twitter and grabbing a couple
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    | text      = from there?
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    | text      = They are universal.
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    | text      = I'm not like that personal.
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    | text      = So you are, you're, you're pretty sure at that point, once Walnut Brain comes out,
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    | text      = I think he kind of like, it was a dawning recognition that this, Oh, this is that woman.
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    | text      = Yeah, I get it.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = This is that woman from the New York times.
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    | text      = Cause then he said this, Oh no, he, he did look over while he was talking to seven.
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    | text      = He said, you know, this is, this is a trial of the media.
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    | text      = These are, these are fraud, like that New York times person right there.
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    | text      = And then, and then I asked about the million dollars and he said, Walnut Brain.
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    | text      = And then he went into this thing saying this person is a monster and a fraud.
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    | text      = And so I was sort of like, Walnut Brain, monster fraud, trifecta.
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    | text      = Well here's, here's the good news.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = The only people he's saying these terrible things about you to is his security.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = There's no one else there.
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    | text      = So yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And then, you know, at least if it's bodyguards, it's good to be Walnut Brain and not, you
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:57.719
    | text      = know, armed threat.
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    | text      = True.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 00:37:01.519
    | text      = Armed loner.
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    | text      = It really, it really did take a while for me to remember whenever the bodyguards were
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    | timestamp = 00:37:06.800
    | text      = sitting next to me, it took me a while for me to remember, like, they can't bring guns
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    | text      = into the courtroom.
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    | text      = You realize that Jordan, like that's not okay.
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    | text      = And they're not going to like push you in a court room.
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    | text      = They have a license to push.
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    | text      = For money?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | timestamp = 00:37:24.960
    | text      = Okay.
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    | timestamp = 00:37:25.960
    | text      = That's fair.
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    | text      = Um, I, I was, I was watching all of this and I thought it was really fun because I could
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    | timestamp = 00:37:30.719
    | text      = see a shift happening in the conversation.
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    | text      = And then after the shift, uh, once it became a little bit hostile, um, Alex put on the
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    | text      = bumper sticker on his face and took a picture with his lawyer.
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    | text      = And I've actually been really offended that some outlets have run with that picture on
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    | timestamp = 00:37:51.639
    | text      = their story.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:52.639
    | text      = It was such an obvious gambit.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = It's such a, it's a, it's a well-framed picture.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:57.840
    | text      = I will give, I will give the photographer that, but it's like, I was there when it was
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    | timestamp = 00:38:02.519
    | text      = taken.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:03.519
    | text      = This is Alex with a dumb bumper sticker on his mouth that he put on for show, shaking
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:07.340
    | text      = hands with his lawyer while no one watched.
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    | timestamp = 00:38:10.559
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:11.559
    | text      = Like it was, it's, I don't know, it kind of did that in the courtroom too.
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    | text      = I mean, he, he, when he first sat down, like even before opening arguments began on the
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    | text      = first day, he pulled that out.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:24.440
    | text      = He put it over his face.
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    | text      = He mugged for, um, Federico and Dino Reynal, his, his lawyer, um, and even left now, Dan's
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    | text      = even laughing now when you say his real name.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:36.920
    | text      = Well, it's a long day.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 00:38:39.559
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I just feel like, um, it's important to be accurate.
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    | text      = So, um, yeah, so he was sort of mugging for, for him and then he put, he didn't put it
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    | text      = away.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:51.599
    | text      = I mean, you know, uh, Reynal gave him the side eye kind of like, don't do that.
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    | timestamp = 00:38:56.719
    | text      = The parents are sitting right there, you know, jury is there.
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    | timestamp = 00:38:59.960
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 00:39:00.960
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:39:01.960
    | text      = Like, you know, I'm not the only person that you're entertaining with this.
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    | text      = You're definitely, you know, doing this in view of the parents and, and this plays on
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:39:10.840
    | text      = your show, but this isn't that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:39:12.920
    | text      = Yeah, exactly.
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    | timestamp = 00:39:14.239
    | text      = That's a good question.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:39:15.239
    | text      = Can I ask you this real quick, real quick?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Do you, are you surprised?
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    | timestamp = 00:39:20.880
    | text      = Like I, I really never thought I would be surprised at what happened, but for some reason
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    | text      = I really thought when it actually came to being in the courtroom, there's no way they
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    | timestamp = 00:39:32.440
    | text      = would behave like the way, like they had to have prepared.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:39:36.280
    | text      = They've had so much time, right?
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    | timestamp = 00:39:39.480
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Are you surprised?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:39:41.480
    | text      = You know, yes and no.
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    | text      = So one thing is that, first of all, I get this sense from Reynal, his lawyer, that,
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    | text      = that he feels like, oh, I'm not sure what I got myself into.
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    | text      = I think that that, you know, explosion with the, you know, flipping the bird and all that,
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    | text      = you know, it was, was a sort of expression of that.
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    | text      = I think today what happened to him with the DSM was another, you know, I think he feels
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    | text      = like, oh my God, I don't know what I got myself into.
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    | text      = The, the idea that he was trying to kind of waffle about actually whether Jones would
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    | text      = testify or not when, you know, he's been saying on his, you know, on his show, like, I'm so
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    | text      = keen to testify.
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    | text      = And then he had to go check with them.
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    | text      = I think these are all sort of, you know, indications that, oh boy, you know, he should have known
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    | text      = what he was getting himself into, but I don't think he was fully prepared for that if, and
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    | text      = that's not exactly a knock on him because is anyone ever fully prepared for things that
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    | text      = Alex Jones does, but I'm going to have, I'm going to have a disagreement with you there
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    | text      = I feel like any kind of preparation, any kind of preparation, even the slightest amount
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    | text      = does not wind up with you having 10 minutes left to call your main witness as to whether
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    | text      = Fair.
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    | text      = Fair.
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    | text      = That was bananas.
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    | text      = Also there were all the previous lawyers, it could have been like, Hey, what should
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    | text      = I expect?
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    | text      = What should I do?
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    | text      = Oh yeah.
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    | text      = Oh, you mean like the 12 previous lawyers?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = You could have had a focus group of his previous lawyers.
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    | text      = You could have had one phone call.
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    | text      = We have a Baker's dozen.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = It would have been like a, a crowded zoom of his previous lawyers where you could say,
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    | text      = what advice do you have for me?
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    | text      = But yeah, I can't do that with one of Alex's lawyers.
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    | text      = You're going to get a tube in.
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    | text      = That's just going to happen.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = So he said, um, yeah, so he, I said, well, is Alex going to testify?
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    | text      = And he said, it's all up to Alex.
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    | text      = And I said, do you mean all of it?
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    | text      = And he was like, yep, everything.
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    | text      = It's all up to Alex.
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    | text      = And I got, you know how that goes?
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    | text      = It seems like a lot of stuff in his, his life is that it seems like there's not a lot of
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    | text      = great counsel in many areas or anybody really telling him, Hey, cut it out.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I just, I, I would be so curious to know, you know, who knows really like, does he go
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    | text      = home and say, well, that went about how I expected or, Oh my God, I can't believe I
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    | text      = got myself into this.
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    | text      = You know, I, I think it might be the latter.
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    | text      = If you're talking about Alex, he goes home and says, hello, whiskey, my old friend.
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    | text      = I'm talking about his lawyer.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I don't know about him.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So that I, you know, I don't know.
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    | text      = Um, but yeah, no, I agree.
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    | text      = I, there, there have been a lot of moments.
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    | text      = I think he's actually, you can tell that he is a criminal prosecutor by the way he cross
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    | text      = examines the witnesses.
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    | text      = He's pretty aggressive.
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    | text      = He's he also just kind of rolls with it when the judge kind of slaps him down on the various
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    | text      = things like we talked about.
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    | text      = Um, he, he's pretty quick on his feet coming back from that kind of thing.
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    | text      = Um, but that's not to say that this is going well because boy, it's just, even if no one
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    | text      = said a word, just the idea of Alex Jones and a Sandy Hook family, you don't have to say
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    | text      = a word to know that this is probably going to be a tough rodeo.
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    | text      = You know, the ironic thing is it hadn't occurred to me until I was watching him and then put
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    | text      = it together that he was a criminal defense lawyer and then started thinking about what
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    | text      = a or no, a criminal prosecutor and then started thinking about what they do.
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    | text      = And then I started thinking 96% of cases go to a plea bargain in, in that kind of court.
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    | text      = So this is probably a guy who's really good at doing paperwork and like negotiating with
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    | text      = other lawyers as to what's an acceptable sentence.
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    | text      = Doesn't end up with a lot of trials as opposed to going to an actual trial because he does
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    | text      = not have experience in a trial.
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    | text      = I just, I just can't believe that he does.
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    | text      = I think some of the lawyers who have been, who have been watching this and kind of weighing
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    | text      = in, you know, just completely disinterested except for the fact that they're lawyers and
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    | text      = this is fascinating, um, would disagree with you there.
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    | text      = They actually get a lot of prosecutorial courtroom experience.
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    | text      = Um, on the other side, I discussed how I don't care what lawyers think, but on the, but on
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    | text      = the other side, you know, um, in some of these personal injury cases or, you know, lawyers
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    | text      = who are tort lawyers, um, in fact, the father of Josh Koskov, who represents the Sandy Hook
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    | text      = families in Connecticut, um, his dad has since passed away, but I interviewed him for the
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    | text      = book and, um, and he said, uh, you know, one of the funny things that has happened is that
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    | text      = people settle so frequently that we get less and less time in the courtroom.
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    | text      = So one of the reasons that this is catnip for the legal community is that you have,
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    | text      = uh, two sets of lawyers who actually have a decent amount of courtroom experience.
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    | text      = And so it's, it is kind of fascinating to see Raynal kind of
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    | text      = shit the bed like a fucking idiot, be unprepared. And, and we have different ways of describing
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    | text      = the same thing.
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    | text      = Yes, we do. Um, but, but yeah, I mean, it is, it, the whole thing is, if it weren't
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    | text      = so tragic, I think it would be in a textbook kind of way, really fascinating.
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    | text      = You know, rarely, rarely anybody drags their feet this long or, or, or, you know, pushes
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    | text      = it this far.
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    | text      = Yes, exactly. Exactly. And then that determination to kind of roll back the clock and say, this
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    | text      = is a defamation trial. No, it's not. You lost that, you know, because you, because you had
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    | text      = complete contempt for the judicial system. So you lost your opportunity to make this
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    | text      = a free speech case because you didn't wind up at trial because you would not comply with
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    | text      = any, you know, not any, but most of the court orders and most of, you know, what you're
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    | text      = supposed to do to prepare for that trial. So that ship has sailed and now here you are
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    | text      = in a damages trial and you're trying to turn it into a signal test of free speech, which
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    | text      = I think most people would have been, you know, interested in, but, um, that didn't happen
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    | text      = because he stonewalled his way into a damages trial. And so he is where he is.
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    | text      = And I think both he and his lawyer wish they were in a different place, but they're not.
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    | text      = That's the thing that I find so frustrating about a lot of the responses that I see from
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    | text      = people who are not like necessarily paying that close of attention, but the, uh, the
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    | text      = like, you know, not recognizing that Alex absolutely would have gotten a trial on the
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    | text      = merits if he just cooperated in any way. It's so frustrating to like hear that point be
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    | text      = made and then people just not hear it, not listen, not understand that like the only
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    | text      = reason that this is happening is because of his choices.
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    | text      = I really almost want like every article written about it to begin with a timeline of the number
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    | text      = of times that Alex could have just apologized and stopped with no lawsuit whatsoever could
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    | text      = have just made a public apology and stopped with no lawsuit whatsoever. And then the number
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    | text      = of times that once the lawsuit was brought, they could have done any billion number of
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    | text      = things to keep it from getting to where we are now. And instead everybody keeps writing
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    | text      = like the families are seeking damages.
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    | text      = Well, that's, that's sort of template of how trials are expressed or, but I get where you're
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    | text      = coming from.
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    | text      = I have labored with that just in writing my stories, you know, say trying to say all the
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    | text      = time that, you know, what they really want is, you know, they want that they are, I mean,
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    | text      = this is the altruistic thing here. They really are trying to shine a light on the fact that
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    | text      = the lies around Sandy Hook, you know, and here I'm like, you know, talking about what
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    | text      = I talk about in my book and that's that, you know, it really was a foundational story of
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    | text      = how misinformation has kind of taken hold in our discourse, you know, because it just
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    | text      = went from, and, and Alex was at the center of a lot of this, you know, it went from that
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    | text      = to, to Pizzagate, to QAnon, to coronavirus myths, to the stop the steal campaign, to,
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    | text      = to the January 6th insurrection. And, you know, his fingerprints are on pretty much
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    | text      = all of those at, Oh, and you can throw Charlottesville into the mix too, you know, placement theory.
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    | text      = So, you know, his fingerprints are all over those developments. And so in that sense,
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    | text      = this is kind of, it really is a kind of fake news on trial type thing.
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    | text      = It really is.
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    | text      = Yeah. And, and, you know, and I think that's one reason why people are so invested in it.
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    | text      = And, and this defense that, that he's trying to put forward really does concern first amendment
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    | text      = lawyers, this idea that there's so much garbage in the atmosphere. There are so many lies
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    | timestamp = 00:49:56.460
    | text      = and mistruths in our national discourse right now that who's to know what's true or false.
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    | text      = This seems like such a specious, cynical argument, but actually the more of this stuff that is
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    | timestamp = 00:50:11.340
    | text      = floating out there, the more lies are, you know, are spread to millions of people. The
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    | text      = more people will advance this defense and you will see it in these dominion voting systems
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    | text      = cases. You'll see it in the January 6th insurrectionist cases. You'll have people who will say, like
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    | text      = Alex Jones said in his deposition, I had a kind of psychosis because I was lied to so
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    | text      = many times.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = In an interview with Glenn Greenwald, he just said he was drunk.
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    | text      = Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, it's a kind of insanity defense in a civil war.
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    | text      = It's the, it's the Jamiroquai defense.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I woke up the next morning and look what happened.
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    | text      = Virtual insanity?
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    | text      = Dan, come on.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I, I, I, I didn't put the pieces together.
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    | text      = Okay. All right. All right.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:51:03.619
    | text      = I thought you were trying to pull a shaggy, it wasn't me or
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    | text      = No, no, no, no.
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    | text      = Afro man because I got high.
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    | text      = Listen, I'm, I'm just going to go with Jamiroquai.
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    | text      = Fine.
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    | text      = Fine.
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    | text      = Um, so one, one other thing I was just thinking about was that if Alex does take the stand
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    | text      = tomorrow, um, that is going to be wild for a number of reasons. First of all, because
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    | text      = he'll be, you know, I have to have cross examination, but then the other aspect of it is these questions
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    | text      = that the jury has been giving.
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    | text      = Oh shit.
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    | text      = Have been pretty good.
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    | text      = I love that practice.
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    | text      = Yeah. It's cause I do think that there's a lot of things that probably need clarification
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    | text      = from the jury's point of view that maybe the lawyers aren't aware of. And so I think that's
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    | text      = really helpful, but I think it like based on the trend of the questions we've been seeing,
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    | text      = they could ask some really messed up things to Alex. Um, well maybe not messed up, like,
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    | text      = you know, bizarre or anything, but like pointed questions that he does not want to answer.
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    | text      = And then he appears to be evasive to the jury's own questions. Like he puts himself in a really,
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    | text      = really dangerous position there.
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    | text      = Yeah. And that would be the best you could hope for that, that he would, you know, that
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    | text      = he would have made them. I mean, that's the best dude.
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    | text      = The worst is contempt, right? I mean like getting thrown out of court, exploding. Um,
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    | text      = which is what he did in his custody trial. Remember, um, that was where, you know, it
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    | text      = was like his ex wife had, um, attorneys who really knew how to get under his skin and
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    | text      = he finally just exploded. I talked with Charlie Warzell about that cause he was in the courtroom
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    | text      = and he was saying if, if it would have been a regular thing, a bailiff would have escorted
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    | text      = Wow.
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    | text      = It was just, he just exploded and
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    | text      = Well, it's good news for him because I'm sure Mark has no idea how to get under his skin.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Mark doesn't seem like the guy who knows how to get on under anybody's skin.
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    | text      = From sitting in that deposition, I beg to differ. I think he's got a few of his numbers,
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    | text      = but the good news is if a bailiff tries to get Alex out of the courtroom, Alex has a
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    | text      = little army.
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    | text      = That's right. That's right. Oh shit. We're going to have a standoff. Yeah. Yeah. I don't
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    | text      = know. I mean, I don't know. It just, I, I wouldn't rule out, uh, the fact that, or the,
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    | text      = not the fact, the possibility that, uh, Reynold, his lawyer is working on him right now just
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    | text      = to say, Alex, I, unless you're going to like prostrate yourself before the, the court and,
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    | text      = and abjectly apologize, there's probably not a lot you can say that's going to help you.
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    | text      = Yeah. You, you, you being you, you know, that advice like that would be, I would be begging
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    | text      = him to,
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    | text      = Oh my God, Dan, you, you, how many, I mean, you remember better than I do, but how many
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    | text      = times did Alex in a softball t ball interview where his, his questions were answered for
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    | text      = him? How many times did he say, I've never lied on purpose? Like eight, eight, eight
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    | text      = and 40 minutes or something. Glenn Greenwald. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and then he said he
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    | text      = was drunk when he was saying these things about the Sandy hook families twice. I didn't
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    | text      = realize you were talking about the Greenwell thing. I thought you were talking about something
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    | text      = else. Sorry. Oh yeah. And then what was the other thing he said? Uh, he decided in advance
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    | text      = that the election was going to be stolen. He said these really messed up things and
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    | text      = just like, no one asked him to, no one, like it wasn't, he wasn't being pushed on anything.
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    | text      = Do you remember when the Liz, do you remember when the defense lawyer asked Becca Becca
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    | text      = of all people, of all people, do you know what confirmation bias is?
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    | text      = That was really, yeah. Our next episode, Alex Jones was like, ah, I decided before the election
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    | text      = happened that it was stolen. Yeah. I mean, this is a woman who, yeah, it was,
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    | text      = uh, confirmation bias is like the most elementary term for her. I just, I can't even admit that.
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    | text      = That just, I'm sure that came off to her as like, do you have either, do you have any
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    | text      = idea of what I do, you know, what my area of study is or, or are you just purposely
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    | text      = trying to belittle me? You know, it probably was legitimately the latter or both. I mean,
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    | text      = maybe both. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, that's, you know, well bred men with a lot of connections
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    | text      = in a city generally treat women really well. That's what I've noticed.
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    | text      = Yeah. But again, he has to attack people like that because he cannot attack the families.
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    | text      = So you know, to kind of try to, you know, impeach her or belittle her or make her seem
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    | text      = like she doesn't have the gravitas that she has, I think is just to, at some levels it's
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    | text      = strategic because he really cannot lay a finger on Neil and Scarlet. It just would be too
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    | text      = awful. Yeah. It's weird though, because I think on
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    | text      = some level the, uh, the attempts at impeaching the psychiatrists and the therapist, I don't
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    | text      = think it's really easy to see that if you're the jury and not see that as being an attack
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    | text      = on the, the lived experience of Neil and Scarlet. Because Neil and Scarlet aren't here. I can
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    | text      = tell you their therapist, that they are lying to you, right?
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    | text      = It's calling into question the things that they have told the therapist. Right. And that
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    | text      = I think that that, you know, they, because they were not, I think what he was relying
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    | text      = on is that they will be, that they would be much colder and more clinical than they actually
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    | text      = were. And especially the therapist. I mean, that was, you know, I mean, he was, Mr. Crouch
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    | text      = was literally starting to cry and he, you know, he was obviously very much feeling their
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    | text      = pain. And so to come after him as if he would have been this sort of like gray clinician,
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    | text      = that's just not who I have seen in my patients, many different desires they have exactly.
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    | text      = If it would have been someone like that, it would have been, you know, that that would
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    | text      = have been a great strategy, but, but because the man himself was so sympathetic and because
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    | text      = he had worked, you know, he was a sort of integral part of the community around Newtown
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    | text      = and he had worked with first responders and he was, he had very much lived the tragedy
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    | text      = and the aftermath. He was not the kind of basic, you know, hired gun expert at all.
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    | text      = That was one of the big things that backfired on the defense lawyer was when he was trying
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    | text      = to almost say like, because you're part of the community, you're so biased in their favor.
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    | text      = You could never be an impartial witness. And instead of like saying, instead of successfully
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    | text      = getting the jury to be like, ah, this guy's biased.
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    | text      = The jury was like, yeah, right, man. God. Yeah, no. Yeah. I mean, it would be impossible
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    | text      = I think to be, well, not impossible cause we've seen it, but I was going to say it would
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    | text      = be nearly impossible, um, to be in that community when those events happened and not feel an
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    | text      = absolute empathy for everyone involved. I mean, it's just, that's kind of part of being
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    | text      = a human being. Right. So again, that was, I don't know. I, I'm sort of shaking my head
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    | text      = cause I don't really, I mean, I can understand, I think he prepared for a different person.
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    | text      = Put it that way. I think you're right. But also I would suggest that if some tragedy
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    | text      = befell Austin, uh, Alex would not, uh, feel the super bad.
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    | text      = I might agree with Dan on this being part of a community. Uh, it does not necessarily
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    | text      = make one. Doesn't necessarily, no, you have to have some innate empathy. Yeah. And I don't
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    | text      = think Alex would be in the position he's in if he weren't lacking in empathy. Yeah, that's
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    | text      = probably true. Well, we should probably, um, you know, wrap this up before too long. Uh,
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    | text      = but I wanted to, uh, just say, I guess, and I'm sure you're on the same page with this
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    | text      = and I, I, I'm sure you have some thoughts on the matter of, uh, you know, making sure
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    | text      = that this all stays squarely focused on what this is actually about as opposed to, you
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    | text      = know, especially 100%, especially as we go into tomorrow where in theory, Alex is going
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    | text      = to be there and who knows what could happen? The circus, it's the clown show. We're all
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    | text      = interested in, there is the danger of that. And I know that you're someone who deeply
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    | text      = appreciates what, um, this is really about and what Neil and Scarlet, uh, have gone through
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    | text      = as well as, you know, many other parents and community and family members. Um, and what
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    | text      = are your thoughts about that? And if you have any, anything you want to say on that? I mean,
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    | text      = that is, I know that there was this sort of like, you know, yeah, whoa, you know, kind
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    | text      = of sense in the, in the courtroom when it became apparent that, you know, quite likely
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    | text      = Jones will testify. Although I, I still think there is a possibility he won't, but, um,
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    | text      = but I think the whole thing of, it is super unfortunate when it comes to the families
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    | text      = because it's going to be super traumatic for them to, to sort of share that day and share
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    | text      = that, that, you know, the, the, the sort of, you know, the same space with him. Um, I'm
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    | text      = sure they'll do everything they can to, to insulate them, you know, from, you know, being
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    | text      = in the same place while he's testifying or what have you. Um, but I couldn't agree with
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    | text      = you more there, you know, the, the sort of, you know, that this is a proceeding that is,
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    | text      = you know, has lots of aspects. There's like the legal part, the intellectual part of it,
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    | text      = the, the sort of, you know, competition of it and all of that. And I think in, in covering
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    | text      = that and in thinking about it and being part of it and being immersed in it, it's easy
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    | text      = to forget that this is about the parents of a child who was murdered in cold blood, who
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    | text      = after saving the lives of nine of his classmates and then his parents, you know, as we said
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    | text      = at the top, you know, having that, that story to cling to and having just this, you know,
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    | text      = thousands of people tear that narrative for them by saying it didn't happen. You can intellectually
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    | text      = know how nuts that is, but at the same time and, and how, and how ridiculous and how,
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    | text      = and how it should be a non factor. Right. But it is as the psychologist testified today,
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    | text      = it is a factor. You know, no one likes to feel misapprehended even on a minor thing
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    | text      = and to have somebody take that, that precious, you know, narrative and, and you know, everything
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    | text      = that your child was away from you. I mean, that's really what this is about. And it's
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    | text      = also about the broader thing. And that's that the families are doing this not because they
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    | text      = even expect that they're going to see any kind of, you know, monetary recompense from
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    | text      = this, but really as an, I know this from talking with them for years for my book, they're trying
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    | text      = to send a message. They really are trying to say, if this can happen to us, this could
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    | text      = happen to your community. Not the, not the shooting, although God knows that could happen.
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    | text      = But this idea that misinformation and disinformation and the scrambling of, you know, everything
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    | text      = that we hold sacred when it comes to establishing truth and relying on facts could come for
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    | text      = you in your community. It could happen to your family. And that's really the, the, the
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    | text      = like blaring red signal that they are trying to send to people. This is a problem. If you
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    | text      = didn't notice it around us, maybe you noticed it around January 6th, maybe you saw it around
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    | text      = coronavirus. These are all the same phenomenon and they're really trying to raise awareness
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    | text      = here. And we should be thanking them for that because of all the people who should be spared
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    | text      = having to, you know, have an additional burden of like standing for something in America,
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    | text      = it should be these grieving families. And here they are, you know, saying this is important
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    | text      = and please, you know, pay attention. I just think we should thank them for that.
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    | text      = Definitely. And the, the, just, you were, you were mentioning like the re-traumatizing
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    | text      = of being in the room when Alex may or may not testify.
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = I couldn't even believe the poise of them being there when Alex was just sitting at
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    | text      = the defense table. That, that to me was even like, wow, I don't know if I'd be able to
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    | text      = do that.
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    | text      = Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, kind of like, um, you know, being in the presence of someone
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    | text      = who has abused you or, um, you know, or that you've fought with in the past or that, uh,
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    | text      = you know, a person who, who means kind of trauma to you. Right. So, you know, I don't
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    | text      = know about you, but I get kind of shaky and nervous and, you know, it's really scary.
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    | text      = And I, I actually do think, you know, I hearing, um, the two, uh, the, the psychiatrist and,
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    | text      = their therapists say that today, they're scared. I believe that, you know, that is absolutely
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    | text      = true. It's, it's, it's because it's heaped on top of what happened to them, everything
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    | text      = that they, you know, everything was torn out from under them. They lost all sense of control
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    | text      = and now they're, they, they lost their child. They lost, you know, your whole world is thrown
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    | text      = off its axis. And now, you know, they, they've lost control even over the story of how he
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    | text      = died and, and his heroism and his last moments. I mean, that's understandable.
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    | text      = Yeah. And to even add onto that, you have the added sort of, I don't know the, the unfortunate
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    | text      = thing on top of it, that is that Alex is now trying to control the narrative of their involvement
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    | text      = in this suit. Yep. You know, like, so there's, there's even almost a meta thing that's going
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    | text      = on. Adding to their own pain by suing him is just what, you know, which is, which did
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    | text      = turn out ironically, whenever Mark was like, okay, if you say that they're adding to their
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:06:58.059
    | text      = own pain, guess who's at fault for that? It's you. You've just added that to the damages.
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    | text      = We are now including that in the charge. What a funny Mark, what a Mark moment. There's
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    | text      = no more Mark moment than being like, fine man, let's do it.
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    | text      = See if I'm reno then I'm pulling out a steel chair.
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    | text      = Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I'm surprised you didn't get a million middle fingers after
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    | text      = that one. Well, it's, it's amazing because you know,
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    | text      = you would think like, okay, um, the lawsuit that's additionally traumatizing actually
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    | text      = not it. What has happened is this has been four years of stonewalling and fighting and
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    | text      = tooth and nail on the part of Alex. So that's, that's the traumatic thing. It's the four
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    | text      = years of trying to drag this out, trying to use every trick in the book, you know, all
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    | timestamp = 01:07:53.940
    | text      = of that. Does he have a right to defend himself? Sure he does. But that's not exactly anymore.
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    | text      = Well, he actually doesn't. Yeah. But that, you know, that it wasn't a fair fight from
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    | text      = the beginning. So the, to then turn around after four years of extending this pain and
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    | text      = then say, well, you'd all be healed if you didn't sue me is sort of the height of cynicism.
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    | text      = Yeah. And we would be foolish to expect anything better. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if there's
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    | text      = a better way to end it. That's perfect. Well, Liz, thank you so much for joining us again.
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    | text      = It was great to, it was great to see you and I'm sure I'll see you again at the courthouse,
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    | text      = but also great to chat. And thank you very much for, for doing your
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    | text      = best to represent the families instead of just the trial in the articles that are writing
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    | text      = in the times. I will, I will stay in the, in the shit and you get to do it for professional
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    | text      = people who, who actually, uh, can, can matter. So thank you.
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    | text      = Thank you both. I, I, I'm so happy to, to, to, well, to talk with you, but also just,
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    | text      = you know, your knowledge that you have of Alex. Don't be nice to us. We don't handle
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    | text      = it well. We're very nice to you. Thank you for joining us.
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    | text      = This sound is me getting my security blankets. All right. I'm going to stop, but you know
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    | text      = how I feel and how many others do as well. That's very sweet. Thank you very much. All
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    | timestamp = 01:09:27.939
    | text      = right. Well, we will talk again soon and Jordan will be back soon. Absolutely. But until then
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    | timestamp = 01:09:33.659
    | text      = we have a website, we do have a website. It's knowledge, right? Dot com. And we're also
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:09:36.300
    | text      = on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge, judges provided by Jordan. Uh, we're back.
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    | text      = But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm Daryl Rundis. I hope you, Ooh,
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    | text      = I forgot. I did run this accidentally. Oh no. I'm out of nicknames. Nice. Andy in Kansas.
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    | timestamp = 01:09:49.779
    | text      = You're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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    | text      = Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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