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    | title         = [[601: June 16, 2003]]
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    | episodeNumber = [[601: June 16, 2003|601]]
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    | text      = Love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back knowledge Fred. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan
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    | text      = We're couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Joe
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    | text      = Oh indeed. We are Dan Jordan checking in. We are 65 episodes away from
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    | text      = Start the counter. All right, let's put it on the board. All right
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    | text      = Dan yeah, Dan, what's up? What's your bright spot my bright spot today Jordan?
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    | text      = I think I might have used this as a bright spot in the past
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    | text      = But it bears mentioning again, I guess the George Lucas talk show is back. Oh, yeah, I enjoyed it
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    | text      = Oh, it's back. Yeah, they they went on a hiatus for a bit
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    | text      = All right, they put out a couple episodes since coming back and just just a delight
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    | text      = Just a delight clean fun
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    | text      = Ben Schwartz was on the newest one. Oh was he I know Andy Daly is on it as well
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    | text      = But I have not gotten to that part of you. I'm excited for our long foot. That's nuts
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    | text      = No, I will watch the Andy Daly pirate. I believe a friend will miles also makes an appearance
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    | text      = Oh, no way. Oh, it's good to see well, yeah
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    | text      = a guy who did some comedy with back in the day here in Chicago before he moved out to
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    | text      = Worked on the Chris Gethard show. I believe indeed. He did he did
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    | text      = So yeah, that's that was really nice. I enjoy I enjoy that being made. Yeah. Yeah, it's very cool. Yeah
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    | text      = I need no matter what form you take whether you're wearing a blue nose or not. I don't feel comfortable with why I can understand that
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    | text      = What's your breath? My bright spot is
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    | text      = What's it called squid games squid?
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    | text      = There's this Korean show on Netflix and it's it's essentially like battle royale and parasite put together
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    | text      = You know a bunch of people trapped in the miseries of capitalism
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    | text      = fighting each other to survive and to get money and food and all that stuff and the way that's put together is a
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    | text      = Series of games that murder 500 ish people for the benefit of the rich. Okay. Yeah
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    | text      = That's all and it's all like
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    | text      = Children's games, you know like one the very first episode not to
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    | text      = Spoil anything. It's the it's the whole hook of the fucking show. Mm-hmm. You go in there
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    | text      = Everybody's playing red light green light. Mm-hmm. And if you lose
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    | text      = Snipers boom boom boom murdering people left and right
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    | text      = Yeah battle royale my friend. So this is a this is a fictional show. Yes, it is a fictional show
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    | text      = Okay, cuz I I don't I I have to apologize for this. You thought this was real. Yes. Okay
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    | text      = You were speaking metaphorically about the murdering people like oh no drops out
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    | text      = The metaphor is the opposite direction right?
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    | text      = We're murdering people is the metaphor for us in the real now we can understand why you can handle watching this
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    | text      = Oh, yes, it's pointed. Yeah. Yeah
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    | text      = I can't watch it. Yeah, I watched it. I cannot watch the the murder parts
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    | text      = I thought it was like that. Can you fit through the whole show?
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    | text      = Hey, that one that one's fun though. They gotta do the pose
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    | text      = They gotta do a pose until they get smashed into a wall. It's fantastic that existed
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    | text      = It's the best. Ah
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    | text      = And I just had a memory the other day of who wants to marry a millionaire
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    | text      = Yeah, wasn't he like a yeah something apparently a creep yeah, oh well up what a shock
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    | text      = Can't
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    | text      = Our culture is bad now, but man, we weren't great then either. Yeah, we did that
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    | text      = I think what people need to understand is it started bad and it's slowly and then quickly gotten worse more
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    | text      = Can you fit through the whole less who wants to marry a multi-millionaire?
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    | text      = So Jordan today we are going to the past
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    | text      = Oh, it's a wacky. What not a wacky. It's a sneaky make Wednesday
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    | text      = So we're in the past. We're in 2003. All right talking about June 16th. All right couple days in between there
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    | text      = That's because our last episode in the past was on a Friday. Now. We're on a Monday. Gotcha
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    | text      = I think that this is this is
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    | text      = low-key one of the more
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    | text      = Maybe educational or illuminating episodes of Alex's show that I've listened to in a long time and also there's some amazing
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    | text      = Ironies knowing what we know in the future. Oh, of course, that will probably get me labeled a witch
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    | text      = Oh god, damn it Dan, but before we get into any of that Jordan, let's say hello to some new walk
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    | text      = Oh, that's a great idea. So first Laura. Thank you so much. You are now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk
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    | text      = Next Gary. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks Gary
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    | text      = Always good to know whenever
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    | text      = The co-host of the dollop donates to our show. Sure. Thanks, Jessica. Thank you so much. You are now policy wonk
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    | text      = I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Jessica. Thank you. Next Alex Jones is only two years older than Dave Rubin
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    | text      = Thank you so much. You are now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much weird reminder of mortality. Yeah
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    | text      = Andrew thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks Andrew and Brian. Thank you so much
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    | text      = You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much Brian. Thank you now Jordan
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    | text      = We're gonna start here on 2003. All right, June 16th
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    | text      = This first clip I actually misheard the first time I was listening through the episode and I got pretty excited
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    | text      = Because I thought Alex was teasing a guest he was gonna have on his show as opposed to a subject
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    | text      = He was going to discuss
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    | text      = Okay, and then I got really disappointed when I realized how this person's not gonna be on the show because I thought it would have been
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    | text      = Very interesting coming up. We'll be talking about the dr. Charles cell the st. Louis doctor
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    | text      = He would expose government corruption
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    | text      = so they arrested him under Medicaid Medicare fraud the charge would give him two years in prison if he was convicted by a
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    | text      = jury of his peers
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    | text      = But they said that he was insane
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    | text      = The medical doctor was insane. The government said the judge said the prosecution said so they've been
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    | text      = Drugging him. So Charles cell was a dentist from st. Louis who was charged with Medicare fraud
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    | text      = Okay, even before he got in this legal hot water. He'd shown signs of severe mental illness with his own doctor
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    | text      = ordering him into hospitalization after he revealed that he was concerned that
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    | text      = Communists had contaminated the fillings that he was putting into people. Oh, so he was just a regular old butcher. Mmm
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    | text      = Hospital he was medicated to quote control the symptoms of schizophrenia
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    | text      = he returned to practice but ended up having more flare-ups like when quote he told police a leopard was getting on a city bus and
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    | text      = And several in which he thought people in his community were out to kill him
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    | text      = It's trouble cell got popped on 56 counts of mail fraud six counts of Medicaid fraud and a count of money laundering in
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    | text      = 1997 on accusations of quote submitting false claims including false documents and x-rays to Medicaid and private insurers for dental services
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    | text      = He did not provide
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    | text      = Immediately it became an issue for the courts about whether or not he was competent to stand trial right initially
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    | text      = He was said to be competent, but I imagine that it probably didn't help his case that it is first bond hearing in front of
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    | text      = a federal magistrate quote, dr
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    | text      = Cell screamed at the magistrate using racial epithets when she tried to continue the hearing he shouted and spat in her face
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    | text      = Cool. Hmm. Cool. All right good behavior. Yeah
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    | text      = Then in April 1998 he was indicted for quote conspiring to murder and the attempted murder of a witness in the fraud case and
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    | text      = An FBI agent, okay. Well that one you're probably not gonna come back from
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    | text      = There was a growing concern about his mental well-being and the danger he could possibly pose if he was left untreated and in July
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    | text      = 1999 a court ordered him to be given anti-psychotic meds against his will
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    | text      = This ruling was delayed pending another hearing right in August
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    | text      = 2000 another court ordered him medicated and the appeal went to the 8th Circuit Court who decided not to rehear the case on a
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    | text      = 5-4 vote
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    | text      = ultimately in June
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    | text      = 2003 the US Supreme Court would weigh in and rule six to three in the case of cell versus United States affirming that quote
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    | text      = Forcibly drugging a defendant solely for trial competence is appropriate only in limited circumstances
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    | text      = this would overturn the previous order for him to be medicated involuntarily and
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    | text      = Fascinatingly, guess what the Supreme Court ruling actually happened on June 16th the exact day that this episode
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    | text      = We're listening to was being recorded by Alex where he's covering the subject
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    | text      = No, very weird. No, I refuse. I refuse to believe you. It's very bizarre
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    | text      = Yeah
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    | text      = That is bizarre in
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    | text      = 2004 he was ruled fit to stand trial and his lawyers tried like hell to get him to agree to a plea deal
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    | text      = All the fraud stuff was one thing but that conspiracy to murder was not something that was gonna be as easily moved past
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    | text      = No, according to the post-dispatch article from the time cell agreed to plead guilty to a fraud charge
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    | text      = But not the murder conspiracy one. So his lawyers were trying to get him ruled unfit to stand trial again
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    | text      = Yeah, I would definitely that would be my way to go cuz that's gonna be a little bit more difficult 100% sir
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    | text      = This dude's nutso. Well, and one of the reasons that it's taken less seriously
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    | text      = like some of a lot of this conversation the conspiracy to murder thing is that a lot of the courts believe that that was a
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    | text      = manifestation of
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    | text      = Same reasons that made him unfit to yeah
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    | text      = Like not it was not necessarily a sincere effort to conspire to murder somebody. No, it was yeah
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    | text      = And so when the conversations about whether or not it's appropriate to forcibly medicate him
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    | text      = It was strictly along the conversations of the fraud charges, right?
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    | text      = And that that's just fascinating
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    | text      = So in the end he accepted a plea deal where he pled no contest
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    | text      = To all the charges and he was sentenced to time served and six months in a halfway house and then three years parole
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    | text      = There are aspects of this story particularly ones about he had allegations of mistreatment while he was in prison
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    | text      = These are very important things and I don't mean to brush them aside at all
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    | text      = but for the time being this case is a perfect example of what I was talking about back in episode 1 of our podcast that
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    | text      = I felt that there was an important role that someone who is what Alex pretends to be could play in society
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    | text      = This case is fucking hard because even assuming that cell was guilty of Medicare fraud
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    | text      = Which he definitely was at what point does his individual liberty intersect with the public need to adjudicate this case
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    | text      = Fraud charges are nonviolent crimes
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    | text      = So does the public interest really demand that he be medicated so he can be competent to stand trial for that
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    | text      = If not, what should you do? He was defrauding people and the public health care system
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    | text      = So there can't be no consequences. But what do you do in that situation? It's a mess
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    | text      = I've got it very easily taken care of. Okay, Truman show him. Mmm the end that seems prohibitively expensive
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    | text      = You would think that but it would solve the problem. So these are the sort of hard questions that don't have clear-cut answers
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    | text      = Because they really do boil down to where you think the line is
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    | text      = Between the liberties of individuals and when that encroaches on the responsibilities
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    | text      = We all have to each other someone like Alex is obviously an extremist on the side of individual liberties
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    | text      = but this kind of case is the territory where you actually have an interesting case study to look at where you can say that the
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    | text      = State has no right to demand medication and I'm gonna hear you out and you can say that the state has an obligation to demand
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    | text      = Medication and I'll hear that out too. Yeah, both sides of this have
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    | text      = You know compelling places to come from right? Right, right
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    | text      = It's honestly just a shame because even in 2003 you can see Alex completely fucking up playing the role of somebody who just isn't to
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    | text      = Individual liberty he can't even report the details of this case accurately because he's not confident
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    | text      = He can make the argument for this guy if he has to accept all the unsavory aspects of the case
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    | text      = The details of the case get in the way of him being able to even talk about it
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    | text      = Yeah, he said that he was revealing corruption in the system, right? Well, we'll get to that
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    | text      = It seems like he was more defrauding Medicare. Well, we'll get to what Alex means by that later because it's quite a reveal
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    | text      = Okay, I'm interested but for now
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    | text      = Yeah now I'm listening also because it's fun. You know who was there actively trying to fight for dr
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    | text      = Sells rights, why not? How about the ADL? Nope, the ACLU?
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    | text      = The dreaded enemy of Alex the ACLU
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    | text      = They filed a friend of the court brief on behalf of cell seeking to urge the court to reverse the decision to medicate him against
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    | text      = His will so weird that they would do that considering how Alex thinks they're evil
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    | text      = They're evil and they hate people have a right with the Satan totally. Yeah another thing really quick
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    | text      = This is basically nothing to do with the legal questions that the case brings up
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    | text      = But I have a hunch that Charles cell also happens to be a racist asshole. It's easy to attribute
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    | text      = His use of slurs in court is possibly like a manifestation of a mental break
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    | text      = But that becomes harder to argue when you realize that he was also prior to this a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens
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    | text      = There we go. The CCC is a hyper right-wing white nationalist organization. That's super against what they call quote mixing of the races
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    | text      = Make no mistake about it. If you're messing around with the Council of Conservative Citizens, it's not because you're politically conservative
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    | text      = It's because you're a straight-up racist
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    | text      = One look at their publication the citizens informer should clear up any concerns
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    | text      = You may have if you think that I'm being unfair if you're a member of the organization
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    | text      = You are a piece of shit Dylan roof. Did they write that in the conservative informer? I didn't
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    | text      = Okay, that was you okay
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    | text      = Sorry
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    | text      = I just wanted to double check that
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    | text      = Dylan roof the guy who murdered nine black people because they were black at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston
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    | text      = Specifically mentions the Council of Conservative Citizens website as being the thing that started him down his path to white
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    | text      = Nationalism in his manifesto hooray. So anyway, fuck this Charles cell guy
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    | text      = He's clearly a racist pile of shit
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    | text      = But the point does still stand in his case that these issues that yeah involve involuntary medicating like
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    | text      = That conversation is justified and it's something that's worth having that conversation
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    | text      = And it's just a shame that Alex is such a shithead that he can't be the side of that conversation that he should be
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    | text      = Right. So one someone who pretends to have the political beliefs as that he does
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    | text      = You know that that's that's someone who has a voice in this oh no totally
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    | text      = It is kind of that question of like and I could even I could absolutely hear at the argument of somebody being like no
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    | text      = this is a power that a
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    | text      = Government could use and could use well, but not ours our government cannot use it
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    | text      = Well, they can only abuse it. So that's a that's a fair argument to have
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    | text      = The other argument is that hey, man, people are doing their fucking best. This guy is out of control
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    | text      = Maybe we don't have to like turn it into a whole thing. Yeah, I
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    | text      = Can see definitely a very difficult
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    | text      = conversation to be had about like well if you allow
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    | text      = Medicating just for the sake of him being able to stand trial
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    | text      = Against his will the medicating in the case of this
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    | text      = Like Medicare fraud case. What is the line that it is appropriate?
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    | text      = Where do you set the line totally of who can you forcibly Medicaid? What type of behavior is deemed like?
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    | text      = I deserving of of that as as a solution, right? And what's the documentation required for that behavior?
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    | text      = Because yeah, it's incredibly fraught. No, there's so many places to abuse. Yeah, and there's so many places to fuck up
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    | text      = Yeah at the same time. I know that sometimes people do need medication and they are resistant inarguable
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    | text      = Certainly it's come up in our lives. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and I
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    | text      = I don't know. I don't know. It's a really really interesting question. Yeah. Yeah, and Alex can't handle it
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    | text      = Alex should be nowhere near it. No
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    | text      = It's that image of what Alex pretends to be I know that I should be nowhere near that question
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    | text      = No, no, and I know that's I think
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    | text      = Why I don't think either was have like this is what the state must do exactly. Yeah. Yeah, we're bad
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    | text      = No, we're bad at this. Yeah, all I can do is tell you it's tough. Hey, I'm glad I don't have to decide
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    | text      = So Alex, I thought he was gonna have that guy on as a guest that would be amazing
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    | text      = That would have been amazing, but he doesn't he just talks about him
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    | text      = Ah, that's disappointing. But Alex does have a couple of guests one is a guy named John Statt Miller
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    | text      = Okay, who does a radio show on Alex's network, I guess on some shortwave shit
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    | text      = But he has another guest that's a little bit more legit then in the second hour. I've
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    | text      = Got mr. Charlotte joining us from Harper's magazine
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    | text      = To talk about the Brotherhood this bizarre so-called Christian cult that loves a Nietzsche and Hitler and believes that a world
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    | text      = government must be constituted because that's how Jesus wants it to be and
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    | text      = Well, the CIA's involved and then they control a lot of the big neo-con Christian organizations
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    | text      = And it's an obvious government front from all the evidence
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    | text      = So I guess Alex has a bizarrely mainstream guest on this episode in the form of Harper's writer. Jeff Charlotte
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    | text      = I'm very confused
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    | text      = Yeah, so Charlotte was the executive producer of the 2019 Netflix series the family
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    | text      = Which is actually what this 2003 article in Harper's was about right, right Alex
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    | text      = I don't know if he's read this article because he thinks it's called the Brotherhood which it's not called in the article
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    | text      = That's I suspect that his confusion is because members are referred to as brothers in the first line of the text
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    | text      = Right, right. This is a messed up religious extremist group, but it's also not like they're super fringe which is
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    | text      = Part of the troubling part. No, they're extremely powerful. They put on the National Prayer Breakfast every year where they are
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    | text      = extremely powerful and
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    | text      = Horrendously evil
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    | text      = Presidents show up and give speech. Oh, yeah, Charlotte would go on to write a book about the group in 2008
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    | text      = Largely about how this group of extreme fundamentalist Christians are deeply entrenched in conservative politics
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    | text      = Which Alex would probably agree with and be all for in 2021
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    | text      = Harper's about how it's evil. Look at all these evil
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    | text      = Illuminati people who 20 years from now I will say should be our God Kings. Of course. It's a mess
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you might be sensing a little bit of the irony that I'm
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    | text      = Talking so awful. I hate the world
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    | text      = Before Alex gets into any of the real meat of the issues today
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    | text      = It's good to give some plugs for his websites and Mike down for this because I think I think one of these might stick out
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    | text      = Okay, the websites are info Wars calm and for Wars dotnet Jones report calm virgin
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    | text      = Utah calm and now prison planet calm and and by the way prison planet calm has just been redesigned by Paul
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    | text      = Joseph Watson, it looks great a lot of wonderful information. Did you know that he had prison planet calm?
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    | text      = No, that's not the one that stood out. No
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    | text      = Virgin Utah. Yeah, we're in Utah
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    | text      = So apparently in 2003 Alex was running a website promoting a town in Utah called Virgin
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    | text      = Which was quote a model community for small towns and big cities alike the Virgin City Council and citizenry have made Virgin a friendly
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    | text      = Place to live for those who support the Constitution and Bill of Rights
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    | text      = He started a railroad town
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    | text      = Are they paid in Jones bucks
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    | text      = So this is fascinating in the present day like in the last few years
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    | text      = Alex has pretty regularly been talking about how his extremist right-wing buddies need to get together and start their own self-ruled communities
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    | text      = but he
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    | text      = Tried it 20 years ago tried it
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    | text      = Wow Wow, at least they had more specifics 20 years ago. Wow. I thought I thought it was completely different
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    | text      = It's it's fun. The internet just rediscovered that mormon teens
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    | text      = Half fuck. Oh, they just go in and then don't move like it's a it's fun that they rediscovered
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    | text      = I thought Virgin Utah calm in 2003. Was that where they learned?
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    | text      = I thought Virgin Utah might have been like a homesteading kind of like a virgin lamb. Yeah
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    | text      = This is just wild. So at the time that city had a population of about 400 and a
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    | text      = 2010 census put the city at ninety one point eight percent white
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    | text      = The entire reason that Alex is promoting this city as the place for Liberty lovers is because in
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    | text      = 2000 they passed an ordinance that every citizen had to own a gun. Yes
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    | text      = So on their website they discuss how this ordinance was based on a similar one from Kennesaw County, Georgia
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    | text      = Although they did misspell Kennesaw
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    | text      = Wow
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    | text      = It's got two ends there are
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    | text      = Unsupported claims about an 80% drop in quote every category of crime in the 15 years since Kennesaw passed the ordinance also
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    | text      = I love this part quote one important point for any county or city thinking about passing this ordinance
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    | text      = Kennesaw County saw a population explosion from under 5,000 citizens to over 20,000 today
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    | text      = That's over eight times the growth that the average community sees it seems good news travels fast
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    | text      = Americans want safe communities where they can raise their children and the right to protect their families
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    | text      = This is actually true the population growth
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    | text      = But it's not really possible to attribute this gun ordinance for that growth and population
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    | text      = Kennesaw was a growing community for decades experiencing a
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    | text      = 167 point two percent growth between 1950 and 1960 and then a
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    | text      = 135 percent point four percent growth between 1960 and 1970
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    | text      = The gun ordinance was passed in 1982 and the population actually only grew seventy five point four percent between 1980 and 1990
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    | text      = before picking up to a
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    | text      = 142 point six percent growth rate in the next decade
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    | text      = If anything you could argue that based on the growth rate the city seems to be normally experiencing
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    | text      = That was a slump period for the town
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    | text      = Do you want to go move to the place where you have to own a gun? No, I don't want to own a gun
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    | text      = Yeah, one of the primary drivers of this population growth that people including the Kennesaw city government's own website
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    | text      = Attribute for the growth and population is that they're located right next to Kennesaw State University
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    | text      = Which was founded in 1963
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    | text      = Well, there is that they add quote the rapid growth of Kennesaw's population is also spurred by our favorable location with respect to transportation
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    | text      = including i-75 and US highway 41
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    | text      = Sure. Yeah. Oh, maybe it's this meaningless gun ordinance that I'm certain is not enforced
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    | text      = Yeah, you know what's great about Virgin Utah is they after they passed the gun ordinance
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    | text      = Uh-huh. They were like we saw an 80% drop in crime. What do we do with that last 20% right next day?
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    | text      = Every year one day all crime is legal
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    | text      = And then everybody has a gun and all crime is legal for 24 hours. You know how you get rid of zero crime
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    | text      = Here's how you get rid of that 20% Oh, everyone has to own a tank
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    | text      = That's prohibitively expensive only four or five people are gonna live there after that. This is where public subsidies come in. Okay
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    | text      = Well I'm subsidizing a tank?
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    | text      = Yeah, okay
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    | text      = But yeah, I guess like, you know having a college there and you know
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    | text      = Good situated situatedness between two large highways
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    | text      = You know that that could be but maybe it's this dumb ordinance
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    | text      = I was gonna go with the explosion of public highways that happened just about everywhere in the 50s and 60s
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    | text      = leading to a massive amount of travel and
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    | text      = And combined migration who would be brought to the area by the college totally
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    | text      = Um, but like I guess one way you could tell is that like I guess Virgin Utah should have a massive explosion of
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    | text      = population too, right
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    | text      = Yeah, I mean if it's the gun ordinance
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    | text      = 20 years ago their population is 650 650. Yeah, that's still too large. Yeah
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    | text      = I don't think I think he's forgotten entirely
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    | text      = Is it like he has a second family in Utah?
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    | text      = Also just because it's fucking hilarious
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    | text      = Let me read to you the exemption section of the Kennesaw gun law
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    | text      = Which was copied for Virgin Utah anyone quote
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    | text      = Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer from physical or mental disability
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    | text      = Which would prohibit them from using such a firearm
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    | text      = further exempt from this effect of this section are those heads of households who are poppers or who
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    | text      = Conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine or persons convicted of a felony
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    | text      = Um, I don't want to own a gun. Well, nothing we can do here. That's a loophole
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    | text      = There you go. That's a loophole in the law. I don't want to I
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    | text      = Prefer no. Yeah. Well, we can't make you move. Yeah, this is all just for show and to excite people like Alex
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    | text      = That's all this is an article in the New York Times quoted
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    | text      = Their mayor is saying that they've never prosecuted someone for not owning a gun and that the law was essentially unenforceable
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    | text      = Yeah, obviously if I were Paul Joseph Watson
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    | text      = I might see something like that and think it was a very extreme and childish childish case of virtue signaling
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    | text      = I mean, there's no way that I wouldn't like if you pass that law in Chicago
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    | text      = I would walk around City Hall just being like fucking do it man. I don't own a gun arrest me do it
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    | text      = Take me to trial, please. Tell me that the Supreme Court is going to side with you have to buy a gun by law
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    | text      = Doesn't Alex think that that's much more of an encroachment
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    | text      = Massive encroachment on your liveries cuz you have to pay for the gun. It's a positive responsibility
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    | text      = Exactly. It's a mess. No, that's not so so on this episode, you know, we just had the weekend
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    | text      = Yeah, Alex has come back into studio and there may be some rumors floating around about the weekend
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    | text      = Okay, Alex needs to get ahead of these rumors. Okay, what did he do?
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    | text      = Well, I'll get into some of that news in a minute, but I'm gonna go ahead and talk about this on air
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    | text      = I'm gonna talk about it once because I told one or two people this weekend
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    | text      = and
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    | text      = Already it was metastasizing in the rumors. I
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    | text      = was out with a friend on their boat this weekend on the lake Travis and
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    | text      = on Saturday
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    | text      = Saturday night we were out there fishing
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    | text      = we were going back to the dock and we came across a
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    | text      = Pontoon boat that was dead in the water and there were about four-foot waves
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    | text      = There have been some storms earlier in the day and we couldn't tie up alongside of it
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    | text      = The pontoon was in the middle of the lake
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    | text      = and I
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    | text      = Jumped in to swim over and try to fix their boat
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    | text      = No good deed goes unpunished and I of course the boat was turned off was dead in the water
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    | text      = I started climbing up on the side of the pontoon boat that has aluminum siding on it
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    | text      = And I slipped once I got up on the boat I slipped
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    | text      = my hand caught
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    | text      = In between the railing and it basically cut my finger off
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    | text      = So I've had a really enjoyable weekend and it feels real good because I'm not about to take painkillers and then pair my judgment
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    | text      = And so as I sit here now, they did a good job basically reattaching my finger it
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    | text      = The best description of it you ever seen Terminator 2 where?
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    | text      = Schwarzenegger's, you know as the robot the Android and he cuts his flesh off and pulls the flesh off his arm
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    | text      = And there's the the skeleton under it. Well, that's basically what happened it
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    | text      = So I guess he cut his hand on a boat. Oh, that sucks. Also his policy on like changing his mental state
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    | text      = Certainly has been no. No, he won't even take aspirin. I I feel like that policy is loosened. How do you think so?
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    | text      = Everything about what how he behaved. Okay. Well, there is that um, I don't his body is a temple
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    | text      = Dad this and a temple needs coke. I have two possibilities. What's that? One is he's telling the truth possible second
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    | text      = This is suspicious. It's a little bit
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    | text      = Exaggerated perhaps. Well, I mean the part of it that I just don't understand is like, what are you doing?
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    | text      = Why are you wasting time talking? Well, he doesn't want this to turn into a rumor
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    | text      = Who cares? No, no, it's a rumor that he could have
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    | text      = Named a fingers lost a finger. Okay. What's the rumor about? I don't know
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    | text      = Is it that he was it's just that he was drunk right? Like the rumor has to be Alex was so drunk
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    | text      = He caught his own fucking finger off
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    | text      = It's got to be something like that that he's trying to get ahead that has to be the rumor
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    | text      = Yeah, because otherwise is it just like it happens? Yeah. No, that's a terrible accident. I'm sorry
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    | text      = It's nice that someone would try and help somebody on a boat. Yeah, I don't think I don't know
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    | text      = it's either it it's either an indication of Alex trying to muddy the waters on something or an indication of how like
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    | text      = knee-jerk suspicious his audience
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    | text      = He has a bandage on
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    | text      = What is that where they put the computer chip? He's not the real
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    | text      = They put illuminati finger on you and now you have to do what it says
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    | text      = Like the dead hand of Joseph's that Eric
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    | text      = Yeah, I'm gonna spend five minutes on my show trying to do damage control on this rumor that I can't imagine anyone cares about
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    | text      = So yeah, also this this also made me a little suspicious he has a couple more details
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    | text      = but of course he does and we grow back in the ten minutes back into the dock and
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    | text      = but
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    | text      = And then that was fun. There was a big party going on at the dock
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    | text      = You know, they have like a big restaurant and bands out there at night
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    | text      = and I come pulling in there's a no-wake zone like a half mile out from the harbor and
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    | text      = We come driving in and and
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    | text      = My friend Kevin was driving about I don't know 15 miles an hour in the no-wake zone, which it wasn't throwing much of awake
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    | text      = we had all these people mad at us yelling and they all ran up to the dock as we pulled up and
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    | text      = There's blood all over the place. I just they were all yelling and cussing at me drunk
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    | text      = I guess and I just held my hand up and said hey
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    | text      = Almost cut my finger off and they all felt pretty stupid
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    | text      = But you know, they got the buoys out front you're not supposed to speed into the harbor
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    | text      = But I was in no mood and I rarely slip up but I did I apologize to those
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    | text      = I had some choice words for them. Oh
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    | text      = You said the n-word I'm just glad I got my finger my whole family's glad I didn't cut a finger off something happened
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    | text      = Yeah, that's the n-word
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    | text      = To be a fly on the wall
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    | text      = I'm curious. I had some choice words some choice words that there were rumors about
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    | text      = Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think we know what those words are. I
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    | text      = Nobody's telling rumors about Alex Jones told me to fuck off. Can you believe it?
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    | text      = Can you believe that Alex Jones would tell me to fuck off?
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    | text      = Maybe that would be dangerous for his brand at this time possible possible
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    | text      = you know
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    | text      = he's not he's not the same complete lunatic that he is today and just like
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    | text      = somebody who can feed off any kind of positive or negative attention true like this is still a point when like I
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    | text      = mean if he comes off as like
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    | text      = like a
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    | text      = Loonatic
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    | text      = If he comes off as him, yeah
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    | text      = That could hurt his entire ability to to sell himself as a hey, I hate the left and the right true true
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    | text      = I'm just a normal very sensible person who has questions. I I I will say this to you. I
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    | text      = Cannot prove it and you probably have a much more reasonable explanation, but deep in my guts
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    | text      = Mmm, I'm putting money on a racial slur. That's what I'm doing
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    | text      = I mean, it's abundantly possible or he could have actually just been like wasted or something
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    | text      = There's something that happened at that dock. Yeah. Yeah that I would like to do
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    | text      = I
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    | text      = Would like to dedicate the rest of my life to
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    | text      = Creating each individual moment will make small models will have this is where Alex Jones
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    | text      = Perports to have said he was yes, but we have witnesses putting him at this scene. I'm gonna do a fucking season of cereal
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    | text      = Many people are wondering what are the rumors? Yeah about so once Alex's career is over and I inevitably do my
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    | text      = You know documentary sure about you know, I would go and find him, right?
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    | text      = Right, my first question. What happened? What happened on that doc? I need to know sir. What happened on that doc that day
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    | text      = Where were you on the night of June 17th verb 15th or whatever?
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    | text      = So now we get into like the actual meat of like some of the topics that are gonna be discussed
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    | text      = Sure, Alex has John Stapp Miller on and he is on to talk primarily about the Charles cell case
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    | text      = Yes, which again is that dentist we talked about at the beginning, right?
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    | text      = And here is where that corruption part comes into play. Get ready for your mind to be blown. I'm waiting
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    | text      = Tell us all about it John. Well, it's it's interesting Alex. This is the gentleman that was
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    | text      = Given notice he was in the army at the time in the reserves
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    | text      = They wanted him to come down to Waco to do the forensic
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    | text      = Here we go for dentures so on and so forth teeth, you know to identify bodies now
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    | text      = This is before the Branch Davidians decided to kill themselves burn themselves
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    | text      = According to the mainstream press and all the findings of government panels that the Davidians actually committed suicide
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    | text      = But then their own declassified Delta Force documents show they went in and killed him
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    | text      = Exactly. So here's this dentist. He's in the Army Reserve. They called him up the FBI called him down to do this forensic work
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    | text      = Something happens he claims that he had the footage
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    | text      = Had his disposal footage of the FBI actually burning Waco down. I bet you didn't see that coming
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    | timestamp = 00:35:12.480
    | text      = This is actually a Waco cover. I did not see Waco
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    | text      = Factoring into this at all. I was a little surprised myself
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    | text      = I'm shocked so a couple quick points on this here the Waco standoff occurred in
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    | text      = 1993 and Charles cell was first hospitalized after insisting communists had contaminated his fillings in
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    | text      = 1982 he was again hospitalized around 1984 so his problems related to delusions long predate any alleged
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    | text      = Involvement he hadn't anything related to Waco sure
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    | text      = I can find no credible source the backs of the claim that cell was called in to do forensic dentistry at Waco
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    | text      = Okay, nor that he was called in before the standoff even occurred
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    | text      = Okay, these are claims you can find repeated in message boards and dicey blogs
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    | text      = But there's nothing that I can find that makes me feel confident about it
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    | text      = And it seems kind of unrealistic since around that time. He was supposed to be a dentist in st. Louis
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    | text      = I mean, that's one of the most understand why he would be the person they would bring in it seems strange wildly coincidental
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    | text      = Should that be the case?
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    | text      = I mean, it's it's the writing on that the writing on reality needs to be taken up a notch if that's the case
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    | text      = Yeah, it's like we've run out of characters in reality like no no we can make more
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, this seems really bizarre to me because it seems like Alex and John are putting a hat on a hat here
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    | text      = They have an issue that they can make a compelling case on whether or not the state has the authority to forcibly
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    | text      = Medicate someone arrested for a non-violent crime
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    | text      = But instead of really just sticking to the issue where there's a chance of making a decent point
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    | timestamp = 00:36:38.119
    | text      = These dumb-dumbs have to spin out and turn everything into a grand conspiracy that works into their larger worldview
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    | text      = The actual relevant issue is either too boring or too difficult for these people to talk about so instead they just jangle keys
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    | text      = Like what if we fight to get him to not have to take his meds then he'll finally break the whole Waco case wide open
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    | text      = Yeah, we don't need to fight for him to not be forcibly medicated because that's an infringing of his rights
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    | text      = But I guess if he's medicated then the globalists have succeeded in their cover-up like this is nonsense. That's insane
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    | text      = yeah, that's I mean that is that is a little bit like a
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    | text      = A cub reporter comes up and he's like I've got this incredible story this guy
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    | text      = It's gonna be it's going to be a watershed moment. We got to figure this out
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    | text      = This is a wedge wedge moment for all of us and Alex is like nah. Nah. Nah, that's boring as shit
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    | text      = I'm gonna punch it up. He was at Waco. Yeah, I
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    | text      = just like I
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    | text      = Don't know it made me feel like I gave Alex too much credit at the beginning of the episode when this case got brought
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    | text      = up because I felt like this is an actual place where he could make an argument that I could engage with his
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    | text      = principles and his politics on but instead it's all just kind of
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    | text      = It's just a trick Alex got a belt-high 88 mile an hour fastball
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    | text      = And he still swung three times at the same pitch and fell to his balls. Hmm. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty unfortunate
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    | text      = Unfortunate it just goes to show how even five years in I still give him too much credit sometimes much credit
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    | text      = Yeah, you are somehow a very hopeful person. Well, I like to learn
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    | text      = So anyway, John Statt Miller has a little bit of a different version of this interaction that Charles cell had with the judge
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    | text      = All right, but here's the government this guy
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    | text      = Supposedly if found guilty of fraud for Medicare and Medicaid would only spend two years in jail
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    | text      = He is not seen the inside of the courtroom except for a judge
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    | text      = And he basically called the judge out and he said look he said this is phony. These are false charges. I don't trust you and
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    | text      = So the story goes the judge remanded him into the care of the mental health people
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    | text      = And this man has not seen the light of day for six years
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    | text      = You'll notice that John Statt Miller leaves out a few details about cells behavior in court like the racial slurs and spitting in the judge's
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    | text      = Face, well sure
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    | text      = they also conveniently forget about the prior hospitalizations the long history of delusions and everything else that gives this case its
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    | text      = Context and there's a very clear reason why they're doing that
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    | text      = They aren't in it
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    | text      = They aren't really interested in this case for whether or not the state has the right to forcibly Medicaid people
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    | text      = But they want the credibility that comes with pretending to have that conversation
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    | text      = Yeah, they want to just present cell as a political prisoner who's being held enforceably drugged because he needs to be silenced about Waco
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    | text      = That's their angle on this story the the pretense of concern about cells rights. That's just window dressing
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    | timestamp = 00:39:33.000
    | text      = Yeah, the actual people concerned with the issues Alex pretends to be concerned about are folks like the lawyers at the ACLU
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    | timestamp = 00:39:40.880
    | text      = They were dealing with reality as opposed to
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    | text      = This nonsense. Yeah. Yeah, what a piece of shit. Yeah, it kind of sucks
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    | text      = It really does it is it's it's so like man
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    | timestamp = 00:39:52.239
    | text      = You had a moment where you could have done something good
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    | timestamp = 00:39:56.000
    | text      = Yeah, but you know your enemies were too busy actually working on it while you distracted your only yeah for no reason for no reason
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    | timestamp = 00:40:03.239
    | text      = Yeah, no, it doesn't even get you more
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    | text      = Attention to say that he's a weight
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    | text      = solidifies the conspiracy worldview sure
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    | timestamp = 00:40:11.920
    | text      = The audience is mine. Yeah, and it uses this this doctor as a prop
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    | timestamp = 00:40:16.440
    | text      = It's yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It's pretty gross. Yeah. No as you as usual people are things. Hmm. Yeah, so next
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    | text      = Stat Miller has
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    | timestamp = 00:40:27.559
    | text      = Recorded a full segment from Dateline a stone Phillips segment. He just recorded it on like a VHS tape
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    | timestamp = 00:40:34.400
    | text      = I don't know what he recorded it on based on the 2003 technology
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    | timestamp = 00:40:37.519
    | text      = Should I end up playing a full seven-minute piece from date? That is bananas, which I think
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    | text      = Okay
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    | timestamp = 00:40:45.559
    | text      = Like that can't be okay, I understand
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    | timestamp = 00:40:47.920
    | text      = There's some broad interpretations of fair use sure, but they don't interrupt it at all
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    | timestamp = 00:40:52.000
    | text      = They're play a full seven-minute section. It's a I don't know that might be a little too much
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    | text      = So yeah, they play this and then here's a little bit of commentary
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    | timestamp = 00:41:02.199
    | text      = Regardless of whether you think the government has secretly acted to keep him off the street or what you make of. Dr
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    | timestamp = 00:41:08.639
    | text      = Cell's guilt or innocence for a man who's already lost nearly six years of his life his home and his freedom
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    | text      = You can see why it's enough to make someone like dr. Cell
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    | timestamp = 00:41:19.280
    | text      = Believe in conspiracies. I may spend the rest of my life
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    | timestamp = 00:41:23.679
    | text      = Probably right here in Springfield
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    | text      = You know this thing John
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    | timestamp = 00:41:28.800
    | text      = This whole story John incredible, isn't it? It's hidden in plain view
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    | text      = They're obviously conspired. No, it's not history. He was involved in the wake. It was on a dateline. That's admitted
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    | timestamp = 00:41:38.599
    | text      = The guy goes down there says the government's involved. He's in the army. He's hired to whitewash this
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    | text      = They then come and grab him and say Medicaid Medicare fraud when he started speaking out. It's been the st. Louis papers
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    | text      = They grab him. He tells the judge this courts of fraud that these charges are a fraud. It's about Waco. They go. Oh, you're crazy
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    | text      = That's not what I would have gotten from the dateline piece
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    | text      = I think the dateline piece is pretty well done
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    | text      = Yeah, like cuz it does wrestle with those issues of forcible medication
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    | text      = And even some of the claims of mistreatment is she when he was incarcerated
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    | text      = Yeah, like there's the it comes at it from a number of angles. Like I don't you know, obviously I don't think I
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    | text      = Don't think any news programs perfect, but I think they did a fairly decent job based on my understanding of the details
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    | timestamp = 00:42:27.940
    | text      = Well, there you go. You know, it is it is fun
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    | timestamp = 00:42:30.900
    | text      = Whenever the globalists hide something for 10 or 11 million viewers on primetime
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    | timestamp = 00:42:36.699
    | text      = Yeah
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    | timestamp = 00:42:37.059
    | text      = They hide it in plain sight directly into the faces and eyes and ears
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    | timestamp = 00:42:42.340
    | text      = Of five to ten million people in primetime very sneaky. Yeah, it's terrifying how they do that
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    | text      = Yeah, so I don't think that John Stadt Miller brings a whole lot to this conversation
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    | timestamp = 00:42:52.260
    | text      = Just a lot of like he's going to be in prison forever
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    | text      = Which can chalk that up to the great predictions that Alex and his his guests to make. Yeah, cuz he was released
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    | timestamp = 00:43:01.380
    | text      = Pretty soon after very shortly after the Supreme Court ruled this day
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    | timestamp = 00:43:06.139
    | text      = If they had done this episode the next day on Alex's show, it would have been subtle. It would have had to be
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    | timestamp = 00:43:15.739
    | text      = Well now that we know what the government says we can do a show this show would be stable
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    | timestamp = 00:43:21.059
    | text      = It is stale. Yeah. Yeah, so John Stadt Miller
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    | timestamp = 00:43:25.019
    | text      = It seems like one of his primary roles is kind of like whitewashing stories. That might be
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    | text      = Uncomfortable for folks in the extreme, right? Gotcha
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    | text      = there was one case down in Georgia where three guys spent years in prison with
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    | text      = Admitted on the stand B ATF planted evidence in a supposed
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    | timestamp = 00:43:44.739
    | text      = Bomb case they bury pipe bombs on your land folks
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    | timestamp = 00:43:48.179
    | text      = They bury the pipe pipe bombs the B ATF informant gets up on the stand admits it
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    | timestamp = 00:43:53.340
    | text      = But the jury still convicts and the jury polled later said well, why did you convict they said?
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    | timestamp = 00:43:57.980
    | text      = Well, the government must have had something on them. They must have been guilty of something. Yeah, you have there's this mindless
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    | timestamp = 00:44:04.300
    | text      = Well, if they say it, I mean, so what if they plant evidence they the government's good
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    | timestamp = 00:44:08.099
    | text      = They must have done it to get the bad guys
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    | timestamp = 00:44:10.019
    | text      = We'll take these sitcoms and dramas, you know
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:44:12.659
    | text      = Like the agency where they where they frame people but they're doing it because they're bad guys and tortures good and framings good
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    | timestamp = 00:44:19.940
    | text      = You know, they got a plate dirty to protect us John. Yeah, I do think that those shows send a bad message
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    | timestamp = 00:44:25.699
    | text      = Perhaps I also don't think that it has a bearing on this one. Well, I don't think that you can say
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    | timestamp = 00:44:33.619
    | text      = You know, here's a real-life thing. It's
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    | text      = Then to build my case here's like to propose you talk about a procedural. Yeah. Yeah drama show
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    | text      = I do I do not like that. Alex was ahead of me on copaganda. I don't like it
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    | timestamp = 00:44:49.659
    | text      = I don't like that
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    | timestamp = 00:44:50.659
    | text      = I was behind on figuring out that all TV gives us an excuse to think that cops are
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    | timestamp = 00:44:57.440
    | text      = Actually doing their jobs sure. Yeah, so I think that they're also John and Alex
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    | timestamp = 00:45:02.900
    | text      = They're misrepresenting and misreporting some details here. So this case was about three members of the Georgia Republic militia
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    | text      = arrested in
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    | timestamp = 00:45:11.099
    | text      = 1996 and charged with conspiring to build pipe bombs
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:45:14.659
    | text      = These guys were worried about the need to prepare for a war against the US government who they thought were going to use UN troops
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    | text      = Against the public much like Alex does and did yeah and informant did alert the Bureau of alcohol
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    | text      = Tobacco and firearms about some of the malicious activities and recorded some of their meetings
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    | timestamp = 00:45:30.119
    | text      = But that's not the same thing as demonstrating that the government set these people up or any of that nonsense that stab mothers going on
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    | timestamp = 00:45:36.719
    | text      = No, that's just an informant. Also, if you go and read the articles about this case you get quite a picture
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    | text      = from the Associated Press quote
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    | text      = neighbor Georgine
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    | timestamp = 00:45:46.159
    | text      = Fesperman said she's seen a pickup truck full of men with shaved heads carrying rifles and dressed in camouflage and black berets
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    | timestamp = 00:45:52.920
    | text      = Drive into McCraney property something's going on back there. She said there's always gunfire back there
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    | timestamp = 00:45:59.000
    | text      = They've got vicious dogs back there
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    | timestamp = 00:46:01.039
    | text      = You can hear them
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    | text      = the article goes on quote an informant told agents of the Bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms on April 5th that he'd attended a
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    | text      = meeting with McCraney star and others at which McCraney talked about blowing up a bomb on his property and said he had enough chemicals to
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    | timestamp = 00:46:16.619
    | text      = Make 40 bombs according to the affidavit
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    | timestamp = 00:46:19.280
    | text      = McCraney is not the government informant
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    | timestamp = 00:46:21.760
    | text      = That's one of the men who was arrested and Alex and John Stapp Miller turning into a martyr here. Like this is all nonsense
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    | text      = It's all just part of the what I would call the lone wolf social contract
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    | timestamp = 00:46:31.719
    | text      = Yeah that Alex engages in you know
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    | timestamp = 00:46:34.440
    | text      = like these things happen people get caught and we will do our best to make sure that
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    | timestamp = 00:46:40.159
    | text      = These are presented as fake in order to make it easier for the next person not to get caught exactly
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    | timestamp = 00:46:45.480
    | text      = And that kind of feels like the game that they're playing because it's not it's not realistic
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    | timestamp = 00:46:50.239
    | text      = You know details of this case the way they're talking about it is just like unbelievable
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    | timestamp = 00:46:54.860
    | text      = it does seem like the point is for
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    | timestamp = 00:46:58.920
    | text      = Alex and his ilk and the Tucker Carlson's of the world to
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    | text      = Provide cover for the militias to refine and hone their methods in order to eventually succeed
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    | text      = Does one like that bananas is that?
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    | text      = Unfortunately, they're providing a smokescreen for the dumbest most cowardly people on the planet who have yet to refine a single method
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    | text      = Period we just keep finding bombs everywhere that are poorly constructed
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    | text      = It's very common, yeah, so we get to Alex's next guest Stapp Miller goes bye-bye
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    | text      = Yeah, and we get Jeff Charlotte the guy from the the Harper's magazine amazing
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    | text      = It is Alex is not famous at this point in time. Ah
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    | text      = Ah, he's notable. Maybe sure. Yeah. Yeah, you'd get he could get some of the numbers from Harper's
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    | text      = Yeah weird couple weeks ago. I read a guerrilla news network story
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    | text      = And of course it all came out of a story out of Harper's a highly respected magazine
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    | text      = Jeffrey Charlotte who's a religious writer writes on religious organizations?
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    | text      = wrote an amazing story about the Brotherhood and in the article and the articles they talk about how Hitler was good and
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    | text      = And Mao was good and they like Nietzsche
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    | text      = and all of this and the CIA's involved and and they got all these so-called Christian conservatives involved and all these
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    | text      = Congressmen and and I posted, you know my comment that it sounds like Satanism to me and Jeffrey was emailing me back saying well
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    | text      = No, you know, they're just weird or whatever. They believe what you do looks like a duck quacks like a duck walks like a duck
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    | text      = It's just like a government cult if you ask me, but joining us he is a Jeffrey Charlotte. He spent
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    | text      = Months in this organization. We're really honored to have him on the show Jeffrey. Good to have you on with us
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    | text      = So that point that he was making at the beginning of his Alex's intro there
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    | text      = It's a little complicated, but it's not so much that the people featured in Charlotte's article are saying that Hitler was good
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    | text      = It's more that they use Hitler and his relationship with the Nazi leadership as an example of what they think is a good form of
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    | text      = Government right Hitler and his top command had a complete unity of purpose and there was a steadfast devotion to following Hitler
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    | text      = And this is commented on in the article as a powerful form of covenant another example that's used as the Mafia
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    | text      = They're basically describing being super into dictators, right? Right. Yeah. Yeah the leader of the family Doug Coe
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    | text      = It's like a good hierarchy. Yeah
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    | text      = The leader Doug Coe explains quote a covenant like the Mafia look at the strength of their bonds see for them
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    | text      = It's honor for us. It's Jesus
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    | text      = The article goes on quote Coe listed other men who had changed the world through the strength of the covenants
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    | text      = They'd forged with their brothers look quote look at Hitler
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    | text      = He said Lenin Ho Chi Minh bin Laden the family of course possessed a weapon those leaders lacked the total Jesus of a brotherhood in Christ
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    | text      = So that's whenever Hitler comes up in the article
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    | text      = It's basically talking about it in this context which is still fucked up, but it's not what Alex
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    | text      = It's not the way Alex is understanding it or we presenting it to the audience. It's it is
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    | text      = Not at all surprising to me that these people
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    | text      = Love what is essentially the same thing as multi-level marketing but in a government
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    | text      = Mmm, like it's the same shit, you know
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    | text      = It's just the same fucking shit
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    | text      = Yeah, it may be like a little bit more interest in power than then just strictly money. Yeah. Yep
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    | text      = Oh boy, it's awful. Yep this interview
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    | text      = I was very fascinated to see where it would go though because we're knowing what we know now
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    | text      = What's a reasonable person gonna say to Alex?
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    | text      = They don't call themselves Christians. No, it's all about Jesus and Jesus wants a secret world government
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    | text      = With a secret Brotherhood running it they call me
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    | text      = Family all these different names very shadowy
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    | text      = They've got a house in DC where we're on the radio right now where a seven to eight
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    | text      = Congressman live Ash Cross connected to it a lot of big Christian leaders are connected to it
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    | text      = So some of the stuff that Alex is saying is fairly accurate
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    | text      = But I want to talk about a certain irony here and that is that
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    | text      = Alex is having this hyper critical coverage of the family back in 2003
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    | text      = Mm-hmm, but the reality is that he might actually be broke right now if it wasn't for them
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    | text      = As we know Alex has said on air a bunch of his finances
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    | text      = We're looking shaky in the past few months and this year
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    | text      = He would have been deep in the red if it weren't for Mike Lindell and his pillow money
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    | text      = Well, what if I were to tell you that the family radicalized Mike Lindell?
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    | text      = You're staring at me. No
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    | text      = No
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    | text      = No, no
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    | text      = No, that's what I would tell you. I would tell you no to your face, sir
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    | text      = Yeah
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    | text      = John, I don't like witches Jonathan Larson recently wrote a piece in salon that traces Mike Lindell's conversion to fundamentalist Christianity and
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    | text      = Hard-right politics to his attendance at the 2016 National Prayer Breakfast my fucking God that event is not just a breakfast
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    | text      = It's actually a four-day affair full of small group meetings that are probably familiar to anyone who's gone to an evangelical church
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    | text      = But also mix in that mlm. Hey, let's not forget Obama was there
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    | text      = I'd recommend this article but the short version is that Lindell went he ended up in one of these small rooms with someone praying and
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    | text      = He experienced a prophecy that he was going to change the course of the country
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    | text      = Well, he was in this prayer room with Ben Carson
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    | text      = Who's a big member of the group and they got to talk in politics an excerpt from Lindell's book that is featured in that salon
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    | text      = Article quote the dozen people in the room gathered in a circle and began talking about the critical importance of the 2016 election
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    | text      = We agreed it was going to be a real spiritual turning point for the country one path could lead us toward national renewal
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    | text      = the other could lead us down a dark path from which there may be no return a path that had begun with the removal of
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    | text      = God from the public square and I was like we have got to go down that dark path
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    | text      = Because once they removed God I decided it was time to destroy everything else
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    | text      = The religious group had successfully intertwined their religious vision and their political ambitions into Mike Lindell's head and we all know where that's gone
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    | text      = Lindell supported Ben Carson and then Ben Carson got him into Trump after Carson dropped out of the race
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    | text      = Anyway, it's a tangled and twisted web
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    | text      = But the family was deeply involved in not only supporting Trump's candidacy
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    | text      = But with directly and scamming the shit out of Mike Lindell, which had a trickle-down effect of getting Alex out of financial hot water
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    | text      = It's just so weird. I just that's what I'm saying
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    | text      = It's just a fucking multi-level marketing scam everywhere you go. It's fucking bullshit Alex in 2003
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    | text      = Talking about this article so I possibly known no way would he have been like I better not piss off the family
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    | text      = They're gonna save me in 20 years
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    | text      = Unfucking real yeah, and he believes all the same shit the family does now, too
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    | text      = So fucking you bad damn and almost certainly did unknowingly at this point, too
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, Oh 100 like not maybe not unknowingly but unprocessed
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    | text      = I mean actually I would say based on what we've
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    | text      = Learned from there. They're like they appreciated Hitler's hierarchy not Hitler
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    | text      = Alex appreciates Hitler more than the family. He's a stud
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    | text      = He's just total bad. It's Jesus Christ. Yeah when I hear like some of the stuff about the the beliefs in in
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    | text      = The way organization should be it sounds a lot like Steve Pachannik. Yeah
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, like I think I think that he has the same sort of relationship with power. Yeah. Yeah
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    | text      = so anyway
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    | text      = Charlotte gets to talking about the founder of the group of the the family and man does this dude sound like Alex
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    | text      = Please break it down for us what the Brotherhood is or the the family as they call it how they operate how it was founded
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    | text      = In all these shadowy connections, okay
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    | text      = The family the family started in 1935 and that's in Washington State and it started the union busting group
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    | text      = Small-scale Norwegian immigrant named Abraham Brady whose biggest fear was communism
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    | text      = He was a minister, but if the main thing he thought that God is calling him to fight communism
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    | text      = It's giving him a special commission and everyone else
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    | text      = He thought Christianity had always ministered to the down and out the poor and the weak and he said well
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    | text      = What about the up-and-out the powerful strong and he thought that's what Christ wanted him to do was to go out and minister
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    | text      = And so he built that up. There's a lot of similarities with Alex there having read the Bible
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    | text      = He assumed Jesus Christ wanted him to make the rich people happier and bust Union
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    | text      = having read the Bible the preacher was like
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    | text      = Somebody has gotta help these rich people get more money opposition to unions. Yep
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    | text      = Rabid anti-communism betcha a belief that God is calling him to fight communism personally probably had visions when he was kid. Yeah
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    | text      = You know and you can even get that like ministering to powerful people
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    | text      = Oh, yeah in Alex his obsession with pretending that world leaders listen to his show
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    | text      = And like there's so much of this that is just like this is you. This is totally you. That's you Alex
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    | text      = You're talking to somebody who's like you're talking to somebody who is analogous to the person
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    | text      = 40 years from then who's going to write an article on you and see you're talking to your interviewer in the future
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    | text      = It's bananas. Yeah, it was it was a bizarre funhouse mirror. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and one of the things that I think is really
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    | text      = really unfortunate about this interview is that
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    | text      = Alex he has this you know his narcissism it manifests in a lot of ways and one of them is that he has to know
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    | text      = More than the people he's interviewing always cuz he does and so he basically just takes the things that Charlotte has covered and
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    | text      = Experienced and research right and Alex just uses it to make his own conclusion. Sure. Sure, which isn't fair
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    | text      = No, it's annoying now. It's obvious from from your writings and then what I've dug up since I read your stories about this
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    | text      = And you were inside the group of course for a month and then investigated it for months before and after
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    | text      = That it's just an envelope an envelope a way for them to use Christians as a cover from the evidence
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    | text      = I see they've done this in countless other
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    | text      = Organizations to put this. Oh this Christian mantle on covert activities and legitimize
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    | text      = Dictators and mass murderers. I mean you get into how they sit around at these dinner tables and talk about how Hitler was good and
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    | text      = They do admire what they call a Hitler model that does not mean that they admire Hitler's policies
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    | text      = Although they're unclear that there's not much of a distinction
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    | text      = But they do say Hitler they say look here's what this guy he worked with a group of five of other
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    | text      = You know brothers friends and look what he accomplished imagine if we could put that model to work for Christ
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    | text      = See Alex keeps only going back to the point of like they say Hitler's good
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    | text      = yeah to the point where Jeff Charlotte has to be like I have to clarify this right because I
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    | text      = Don't think it's fair the way you're characterizing it now
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    | text      = I understand and I respect his point mm-hmm, but at the same time fuck off. They love Hitler shut up
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    | text      = How dare you just cuz you can't prove they love Hitler they fucking love Hitler, and you fucking know it
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    | text      = I think you can be fine saying something like that as a
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    | text      = Commentator, but someone who's resenting themselves as a serious reporter who backs up everything that he says with facts and research
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    | text      = Yeah, I think I think that he has a greater responsibility to be clear on his point totally understand
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    | text      = And it would behoove Alex to make a differentiation between the two and I appreciate that that Charlotte seems like
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    | text      = Insistent on like not being misrepresented right right to a degree right what I would like here
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    | text      = Let me let me throw this at him. Okay. Let's go back in time. Let me throw this at you all right
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    | text      = I can only prove
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    | text      = Through the conversations that I have heard and been told about that they appreciate Hitler's business model
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    | text      = Uh-huh now if I were a betting man
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    | text      = I would say if you spend a lot of time appreciating Hitler's business model sooner or later
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    | text      = You're gonna get to he had some other good ideas so fuck off if you think they don't love Hitler, too
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    | text      = Right, and I think you know I think that from Charlotte's conversation one of the things that you can take away is
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    | text      = you know a
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    | text      = Delineation between from his experience and the documents that he had been able to get a hold of right and the experience that he had
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    | text      = Living among these people right there wasn't a racialized version of this or an ethnic sure that there was a religiously based
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    | text      = Elite kind of thing and if you wanted to have that conversation about you know maybe Hitler's policies
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    | text      = Creeping in in terms of just you know related to Christians and non-christians
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    | text      = Yeah, maybe yeah, but but in terms of master races and stuff like that sure there is a breakdown between
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    | text      = What you would normally have come to your mind when you envision Hitler and what they are interested in right right?
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    | text      = I understand and I think that there isn't there is a difference, but there's also you know I also get your point
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    | text      = Yeah, cares. Yeah, yeah
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    | text      = But Alex has failed on this point because Charlotte's pushing back right and so Alex has to move on to a next point gotcha
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    | text      = But also also you say Jeffrey Charlotte writer for Harper's magazine
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    | text      = you also say in there that they
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    | text      = In an interview you did for guerrilla news network that that Nietzsche they they talk a lot about Nietzsche
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    | text      = Well Nietzsche was insane. He said God was dead. He hated Christians. I mean you've got all these unsundry characters
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    | text      = This is all they seem to talk about well
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    | text      = I
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    | text      = Depict a scene in which one very intelligent young guy, and I had a discussion about me
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    | text      = And I should say look I think nature's a philosopher. We should all study whether or not we agree with him
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    | text      = I don't think that's out of line. I don't think that's crazy
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    | text      = Fair yeah
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    | text      = Right on yeah, good call. Yeah the end of a good point boy
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    | text      = I don't know if these these
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    | text      = Rock holds that Alex is trying to get up the side of the cliff on or being very helpful
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    | text      = Yeah by reading Nietzsche you mean that they're totally evil, right?
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    | text      = There's no way you can read a book that you disagree with and not be evil immediately afterwards. That's what happens
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    | text      = Yeah
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    | text      = and so he even does slip back into being like they like Hitler to the point where Jeff Charlotte has to like
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    | text      = Like basically correct see now. That's annoying. Yeah now again. I want to emphasize Chuck Colson is not a Nazi
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    | text      = He's not an anti-semite what these guys admire though is the organizing principles, and they don't make the distinction
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    | text      = This is what they admit to you. This is what they admit to you on the surface. I believe that I believe that
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    | text      = I've researched them pretty deeply and I don't think that makes them any less
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    | text      = founded skull and bones I
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    | text      = Know just that I've heard of skull and bones. Don't read the MSNBC article. It was founded by secret German cult
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    | text      = Yeah, this is condescending. Yeah, fuck off. Yeah, how fucking dare you?
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    | text      = Yeah, that is the most annoying thing of like hey, I've invited you on we're gonna talk about this
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    | text      = Mm-hmm. I don't know much about this. I'm going to tell you about different stuff
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    | text      = But that's a no but even before you jump off on that track like it's this guy
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    | text      = giving his in-depth
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    | text      = Experience and knowledge about this subject and I was going oh, that's just what they tell you on the surface. Yeah
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    | text      = Disrespectful to the reason you have this person on your show 100% conceivably you would have him on to learn about
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    | text      = The thing that he has studied. Yeah
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    | text      = Supposed to yeah condescend and explain to him that his research is inferior to yours, right?
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    | text      = I think that's another that's another element, you know
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    | text      = And if people oh, would you ever want to talk to Alex Jones or anything and it's like getting even barring his horrendous
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    | text      = Disqualifying views. I just don't want to be interviewed by this shitbag. He's the worst person to talk to. Yeah, he just sucks
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    | text      = He's he's very rude even at this point, but it's less. Oh like it's less
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    | text      = Aggressively rude. It's more
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    | text      = a underhanded yeah, well, there's a there's a passive aggression that may actually be going in both directions because
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    | text      = Whether he understands it or not
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    | text      = Jeff Charlotte ends up saying some things that Alex would consider fighting words
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    | text      = Okay, and here is one of them. Okay, you say that some Christian organizations believe this is an anti-crash organization
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    | text      = Can you tell us about that sir? Yeah
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    | text      = Sure, although I think that they're even crazier. There is a group online that has been
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    | text      = tracking this guy co for some years on the theory that he is the Antichrist and
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    | text      = If you believe in that particular kind of literalist an unsophisticated reading of Revelation
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    | text      = Yeah, then I suppose he could fit your your profile. I do I think he's anti-christ
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    | text      = No, but there are these groups that are out there. Well regardless
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    | text      = saying that the Hitler and Stalin or Mao model
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    | text      = I mean that's sick enough and that's thick enough. That's that's what that's what that's my point exactly
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    | text      = We don't need to we don't need to even go any further than that as soon as you say hey
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    | text      = Let's let's use the Hitler model for Christ. Well, you've gone off the tracks right there
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    | text      = Yeah, but I can't imagine someone saying that hey look you if you're one of those lunatics those absolute
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    | text      = Nutbags those fucking crazy folk who believe that the book of Revelations is literally going to have you have that kind of an unsophisticated
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    | text      = Understand dumb enough to take the book of Revelations
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    | text      = Literally if someone I can't even believe people that stupid exist. Yeah. Yeah, Alex would take a swing
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    | text      = Yeah, that would be that would be a fight for sure
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    | text      = Yeah, I did get a sense that Alex might be biting his tongue or whatever because you know
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    | text      = You've heard earlier in the interview. I'm talking about like the harbors are very prestigious. Oh, yeah. Thank you for being here
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    | text      = There is I still think that he thinks this might be a git, you know, like yeah, it's I mean for him
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    | text      = It seems like it would be a fairly good chance to try and legitimize your your shitty outfit. Sure
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    | text      = You know sure and maybe make some connections with other folks who?
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    | text      = aren't
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    | text      = completely ignored
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    | text      = Like birchers. Hey Jeff, could you get me the phone numbers of some of those important people in the family and see if they want
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    | text      = To give me a lot of money. Yeah a lot of money. I believe exactly what they believe
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    | text      = I don't for a price, but I don't think it go. I don't know if it goes that direction
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    | text      = Yeah, like Mike Lindell gave them a bunch. Yeah. Yeah, of course. No, no, no when you figure out how to get powerful
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    | text      = You don't have to mm-hmm. Yeah people give you a shit. So something that I think is really fascinating is
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    | text      = the point that Charlotte makes which is about
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    | text      = His assessment of the people is they may not even recognize that what they're doing is essentially calling for a dictatorship
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, and I find it so fascinating that like it really you see the same things in more recent
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    | text      = Alex Jones. Yeah more like in the last few years
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    | text      = There is a sense of like whether you understand it or not. What you're doing is trying to push for a dictatorship
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    | text      = Yeah, I think that's it
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    | text      = I think that's a common thread throughout is a certain number of people who really feel that a few
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    | text      = Elite men should be calling all the shots and that's the government model they admire
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    | text      = They don't even quite recognize sometimes that what they're advocating is dictatorship
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    | text      = It's just but it's it's bizarre to me to see this like
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    | text      = conversation that's weirdly, you know
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    | text      = Illuminating of what will happen in Alex's future
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    | text      = Yeah
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    | text      = So one of the one point that Charlotte makes that makes me kind of think that he has a police like a maybe a baseline
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    | text      = Awareness of Alex is that he brings up the you know
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    | text      = These aren't like your fundamentalists that you would normally think of who are as he refers to provincial
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    | text      = Sure, these are people who have international interests, right?
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    | text      = Right, right and he brings this up as something that was relevant to Alex's audience
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    | text      = Any other facets you want to hit on before we take calls?
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    | text      = Sure
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    | text      = the one thing I would like to say that I think that your listeners are
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    | text      = attuned to that one of the most compelling things about this group is that they're internationalist and I think
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    | text      = liberals too often dismiss fundamentalists as
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    | text      = Stupid and as provincial and local and these guys are none of that. They're very internationalist. They're very sophisticated. They're very savvy
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    | text      = They're charming. They're not Jerry Falwell screaming at you on the on the TV
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    | text      = These groups are you know that they look just like everyone else as they say and I think if we're going to really combat
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    | text      = fundamentalism we need to
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    | text      = Acknowledge that and give credit where credit is due they can accomplish a lot and they can do a lot and they're smart and there's good
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    | text      = Things about their vision. We should try and encourage those Jeffrey
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    | text      = Jeffrey there's nothing wrong with being the fundamentalist
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    | text      = On issues that are important. I'm a fundamentalist on the Constitution Bill of Rights
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    | text      = Well, that's a little bit different than being a fundamentalist Christian
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    | text      = Reading of the Bible which
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    | text      = No historical basis
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    | text      = You have this whole left-wing view this whole left-wing lens that you're seeing them through little condescending again
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    | text      = They have this whole left-wing view of where you've read about the book and then they've learned about it and you know
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    | timestamp = 01:08:21.779
    | text      = It's not literally true
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    | text      = That's the leftist bullshit that you're taught in schools because that's where knowledge comes from
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    | text      = I'm against the left-right paradigm, which is to say I am a fundamentalist Christian
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    | text      = You got it who has extremely hard right politics. There you go
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    | timestamp = 01:08:38.340
    | text      = Yes, sweet, and I hate left-wing bullshit. There you go. Yeah makes a lot of sense. So
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    | text      = They take some calls and this one call brings up a pretty prescient point
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    | text      = Mm-hmm. I really think that this hits on a little bit of what Alex did in relation with Trump
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    | text      = I think this makes sense. Yeah. Well, I was just what I was going to say was is that
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    | text      = It's confusing the human the human accomplishments and the end of the conservative right type person
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    | text      = there are so impressed with authority and success and
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    | text      = They're trained never to doubt anything. This is the suck good Christians and to be their servants
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    | text      = I think you've got it right there Dan that this this kind of fetish for authority and success and confusing that with what?
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    | text      = What being a good Christian is which is the total opposite message actually
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    | text      = So I think if you got it if you get rid of Alex's interjection that is kind of off track a little bit
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    | text      = What you have is a caller saying that in a lot of these right-wing
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    | text      = Christian types can can conflate
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    | text      = It their interest in success and authority where you can you can mix that up with an image of godliness
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    | text      = And I think that Alex did
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    | text      = An outrageous amount of that
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    | text      = With Trump. Yeah, that guy might as well have just been like hey, you know
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    | text      = I bet the Internet's gonna come along and it's gonna make
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    | text      = Celebrity go kind of out of control and then people are just gonna wind up following
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    | text      = Celebrities and believing that they know what they're talking about
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    | text      = Even if they have no fucking clue and just got their money for no reason whatsoever
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    | text      = Or their dad gave it to him. Those people are probably going to want him to become a fucking dictator. Mmm crazy
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    | text      = Not a bummer. Yeah, so
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    | text      = They get another call and this this fella tries to compliment Charlotte and Alex is gonna not gonna have any of that
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    | text      = Oh, no, Bob in New York anything else real quick Bob you want to say to my Jeffrey?
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    | timestamp = 01:10:33.659
    | text      = Well, Jeffrey, you've done some great work. You opened up something that we weren't even aware of
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    | timestamp = 01:10:42.199
    | text      = What a dick
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    | text      = Oh my god, why do you have to do? Oh my god, I
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    | text      = Was the first Radiohead show fuck off no one cares
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    | timestamp = 01:10:54.359
    | text      = Why did you invite this person on if you know more than them and you totally you knew about it before they ever came along
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    | timestamp = 01:11:00.039
    | text      = Well, I have the interview that welcome to the Alex Jones in security hour where I will be feeling a weak and
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    | timestamp = 01:11:08.239
    | text      = Pathetic compared to someone who has done his work and anything I don't like is secretly just the leftist
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    | timestamp = 01:11:14.479
    | text      = Smoke screen that this guy has bought into. Yep. Yep. Why?
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    | timestamp = 01:11:19.680
    | text      = Yeah, so stupid that is awful so we get one more call here and this this is where Alex decides I'm done with calls
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    | timestamp = 01:11:26.239
    | text      = Okay, sir, what's on your mind? Okay. Well, it's real quick if I could just explain my story what I have to explain
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:32.960
    | text      = Dwarfs what you guys have been talking about, but basically I'm gonna try to make this real short
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:38.039
    | text      = the state of Michigan
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:40.159
    | text      = Has just came in raped and pillaged my whole family. Hey, well, sir, we see these horror stories every day
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:46.159
    | text      = I may have to hold you over the next hour
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:48.439
    | text      = And you tell me you're calling in from Texas. Yeah, I'm calling from Texas. I it's a child support issue
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:53.640
    | text      = Okay, sir. I'm gonna have to put you on hold. Okay, cuz I you know when I have a guest on it's about that issue
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    | timestamp = 01:11:59.239
    | text      = You know what? I'm not gonna take any more calls. I just want to go ahead and let our guests finish up
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:03.159
    | text      = I wouldn't take any more calls after that. I'm not gonna do any custody shit. Yeah, we have it
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:08.319
    | text      = You have a child support issue in Michigan that Trump's and completely eclipses
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    | timestamp = 01:12:15.479
    | text      = the family
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    | timestamp = 01:12:16.979
    | text      = Yep, I think what's really funny about that is we've got one more great irony
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    | timestamp = 01:12:23.220
    | text      = Which is that Alex does not want to talk about child support and custody issues on his show. Well, he does the past he does
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    | timestamp = 01:12:31.239
    | text      = He does you know I did not with this guy, right?
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    | timestamp = 01:12:33.920
    | text      = I know he tries to hold him over into the next hour and then apparently his phone Oh lost him
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    | timestamp = 01:12:39.079
    | text      = Yeah, but I think the the greater point is that
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:44.079
    | text      = Alex is being really condescending and insulting to his guest and this caller calls in and he's condescending and insulting to Alex's
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    | timestamp = 01:12:51.359
    | text      = Show
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:53.000
    | text      = it is
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:57.079
    | text      = Russian doll it's time to take down the entire state of Michigan
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:00.600
    | text      = Yep, so there is another hour of the show, but it is just Alex inner
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:06.399
    | text      = Interviewing the mom from that story. We talked about last time the welcome, right?
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    | timestamp = 01:13:11.640
    | text      = Massachusetts where they didn't want to take a state
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:13.760
    | text      = Yeah, I learned nothing from that. Oh you didn't know but you learned so much the last time
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:18.880
    | text      = I will we talked about the entire thing. They didn't have more information
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:22.960
    | text      = It wasn't there wasn't I didn't I didn't feel like I had a better grasp on the case
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:26.520
    | text      = I didn't think it was interesting at all. That's not surprising
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:29.720
    | text      = So yeah, I I just I have no clips from the last good
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:34.960
    | text      = I'm fine with that, but it happened. I guarantee it
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:38.359
    | text      = I think far more interesting are these first two hours because each one has something really
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:43.340
    | text      = Bizarre in it totally first hour you have Alex completely dropping the ball on something
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:49.340
    | text      = That could have been an issue that he could have actually stood on principle with BP ball
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:54.619
    | text      = yeah, and instead he turned it into a
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:57.939
    | text      = Nonsense Waco conspiracy. Oh, yeah, and then in the second hour this interview with a guy from Harper's
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:05.500
    | text      = being a real dick to people real dick just being a real dick to anybody who knows anything and
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:10.500
    | text      = Like in addition to just being a rude host. Yeah
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:14.640
    | text      = also
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:15.859
    | text      = Just completely making a mockery of himself
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:19.779
    | text      = If he had a time machine, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's really kicking his own ass. Yeah, he took himself to the cleaners
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:25.680
    | text      = Yeah, just really insulting all those people who love Hitler
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:30.739
    | text      = Yeah, you got it, I don't know it's
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:36.100
    | text      = Oh, we we've got a guy and I think Alex Jones in the past would be a sharper critic of Alex Jones in the present
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:44.180
    | text      = Than us you may be I think he would be
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:47.619
    | text      = less
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:48.899
    | text      = Restrained than you. Yeah, he wouldn't be as funny or as
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:53.800
    | text      = Happy-go-lucky. No, are we happy? I think we're actually very very fucked up. Yeah. Yeah
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:00.100
    | text      = Yeah, he wouldn't be
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:02.100
    | text      = Someone I would listen to even if he was critiquing himself. No, but I do think he would be madder at himself
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:07.779
    | text      = Yeah, yeah
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:08.579
    | text      = I I really feel like this is only like the only thing I can think of in my head for this is some sort of
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:14.779
    | text      = celebrity deathmatch
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:16.539
    | text      = claymation thing where they get
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:18.560
    | text      = Alex Jones at 20 versus Alex Jones at 40 like that's just gotta be that I mean they they just kill each other
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:26.020
    | text      = He would just kill each other. Yeah, I bet young Alex would probably win
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:32.060
    | text      = But then he would be suffocated under the crushing weight of old Alex. What a tragedy
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:36.739
    | text      = It would be a nightmare to see them cancel each other out like a positron or whatever. Yeah. Yep
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:42.460
    | text      = So I enjoyed this trip back to the past. That's great. Yeah, like I like I like seeing these dynamics weirdness. Yeah
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:50.220
    | text      = But we'll be back on Friday and another episode until then Jordan. We have a website. We do. It's knowledgefight.com
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:56.979
    | text      = Yep, we also are on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight not go to bed Jordan
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:16:02.180
    | text      = Yep, we'll be back. But until then I'm neo I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm Daryl Rundis
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:16:06.340
    | text      = And now here comes the sex robot Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:16:10.859
    | text      = Oh Alex, I'm a person color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you
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