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    | title         = [[564: May 15-20, 2003]]
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    | episodeNumber = [[564: May 15-20, 2003|564]]
    | length        = 01:55:06
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    | text      = N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight
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    | text      = Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
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    | text      = Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.
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    | text      = I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, knowledgefight.
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    | text      = Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight, need money, Andy in Kansas, stop it, Andy in Kansas, it's
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    | text      = time to pray.
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    | text      = Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding us.
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    | text      = Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work, knowledgefight.com,
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    | text      = I love you.
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    | text      = Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledgefight, I'm Dan, I'm Jordan, we're a couple of dudes
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    | text      = like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a
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    | text      = little bit about Alex Jones, oh indeed we are Dan, shit, ah come on, I wasn't going
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    | text      = to talk about it, you added it, you barely added a little thing, we were going to just
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    | text      = ride it on through, old habits, old habits, die hard, what are you going to do Dan, I
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    | text      = don't know, I have a question for you, okay, I'll do that, I'll answer that question,
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    | text      = what's your bright spot today, my bright spot today Jordan, I mentioned this to you, I decided
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    | text      = that I was going to give Assassin's Creed Valhalla another chance, I mentioned on the
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    | text      = show that I started playing it and I was enjoying it enough and then I just sort of lost interest,
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    | text      = and I did not make it very far into it, and you were telling me that there's this new
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    | text      = Ireland DLC, and so I decided I'll give this a shot, and you buried the lead, holy shit,
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    | text      = I went to Ireland, and almost immediately, instead of a horse, you now can ride a giant
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    | text      = cat around, I know, so my bright spot is now I'm riding around on a giant cat, I was hoping
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    | text      = you would discover it on your own, because I knew you were going to blow your mind, it's
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    | text      = the best, I have a giant cat that I'm riding around like a horse, and I couldn't be happier,
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    | text      = that's all you need, that's all you need, that's all you've ever dreamed of, that's
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    | text      = all you, yeah, no, absolutely, now the game is back in my good graces, and I will probably
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    | text      = finish it, because I have a giant cat friend, that is why I have tried to throw as many
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    | text      = pets at you in the other show we do, so that is nice, I like that, yeah, what about you?
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    | text      = My bright spot, Dan, as you may know, or probably don't, the French Open is going on right now,
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    | text      = oh no, and while you are listening to this, there's a good chance that Rafa and Djokovic
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    | text      = are meeting for their roughly 600th time, Djokovic I think is ahead by one win, they're
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    | text      = so close, they're the Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn of tennis, they've been going back and
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    | text      = forth for a decade, they're destined to fight forever, forever and ever, they're the two
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    | text      = best that ever lived, along with Federer, and it's just going to be great tomorrow,
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    | text      = or today, or whatever you're listening to, I imagine Rafa's going to wind up winning,
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    | text      = because Djokovic just looked a little bit shaky, but you never know, although you do,
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    | text      = because Rafa has won the French Open 13 times, I feel like the French Open was happening
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    | text      = like a week or two ago, I feel like this just keeps happening, it never stops, it's every
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    | text      = year or so, no I just feel like there's some tennis thing that I just always assume is
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    | text      = the French Open that's happening, yeah, well I mean, it's hard for me to tell the difference
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    | text      = between any of this, if you talk about Rafa, you eventually mention that he won 13 French
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    | text      = Opens, true, so Jordan, today we have an episode from the past, no, that's where things are
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    | text      = better, I got sick of Jordan's shit, well that's fair, I got sick of Alex's shit in
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    | text      = the present day, and you know, one of the things that was like, alright I'm definitely
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    | text      = doing an episode about the past, was that I kept seeing people posting that picture
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    | text      = of Alex at a strip club, and I just lost my patience with the present day, I don't understand
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    | text      = how that ends up being like, a viral tweet on Twitter, like I don't, who cares, yeah
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    | text      = that's my instant reaction, a lot of people were telling me about it and I was like, that's
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    | text      = okay, he's a monster, good for him, he can go to, we can all go to a strip club whenever
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    | text      = we want, whenever we want, that guy's a monster though, I don't care if he's at a strip club,
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    | text      = it doesn't really, it doesn't really make anything, it doesn't make any larger point
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    | text      = other than like, I think there's something weird about going to a strip club, I mean
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    | text      = I suppose you could probably try and make the argument that it's hypocritical for him
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    | text      = to be God-blasting all day, every day, and then be at a strip club, but yeah, it's so
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    | text      = easy, it's stupid, you could say like, look I'm a man, or you could say, I went there
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    | text      = because I had a business meeting and the people I was with wanted to go, you don't understand
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    | text      = what it's like to be in the higher echelons of business, you're running your own business
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    | text      = sometimes, you know there's a hundred ways you could get around the quote on quote hypocrisy
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    | text      = of it, and I don't know, I didn't look into it too much, but it looked like he was in
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    | text      = a bathroom, and look, I hate Alex Jones, I don't even know if that's a strip club, well
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    | text      = I hate Alex Jones, and I will say that if someone was taking a picture of him in the
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    | text      = bathroom, I think that is a violation of someone's rights of privacy, sure, and like, I don't
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    | text      = think it's cool to take pictures of people in a bathroom, yeah, I think you're right,
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    | text      = anyway, that's a good point, I was like, I don't know, I imagine maybe he has a rebuttal
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    | text      = to that, but I don't want to talk about it, I just don't care, yeah, so today we're gonna
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    | text      = be in the past and we're gonna be talking about May 15th to 20th, whoa, that's a lot,
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    | text      = 2003, oh, blackjack, dammit, that's the wrong one again, roulette, this is a period that
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    | text      = I've been looking forward to covering because as we know, the de-bathification begins, yes,
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    | text      = around this time, he's been screaming about how they're gonna let the bath party run,
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    | text      = everything, the baths are taking over, that's Bush's and the globalist's plan from the beginning,
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    | text      = yes, they're going to be in charge of Iraq because they're basically CIA, exactly, and
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    | text      = so I was interested to see how that would be affected by, you know, how Alex's rhetoric
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    | text      = would be affected, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then the second thing is that this is
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    | text      = over the weekend, and this is when Alex goes to Kansas City to do that local radio station
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    | text      = gig, that's right, we have a couple of dangling threads that are gonna come together in this
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    | text      = episode and I'm excited to get to it, but first, let's say hello to some new wonks,
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    | text      = so first, possibly Pluto, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk, I'm a policy wonk,
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    | text      = oh, thank you very much, dwarf planet, thank you, next, I like this one, W Neon Skousen,
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    | text      = thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk, I'm a policy wonk, I like that one too, I
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    | text      = would go to a CPA named W Neon Skousen, I would go to that if it was a Cold War themed
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    | text      = laser tag place, that would be awesome, that would be dope, next, Liam, we know your favorite
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    | text      = food is pickles, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk, I'm a policy wonk, thank
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    | text      = you Liam, yay, next, Omar Cha Cha, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk, I'm a
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    | text      = policy wonk, thank you very much Omar, thank you, and this is a shout out that a wonk asked
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    | text      = us to give as a policy, honorary policy wonk I guess, that's Bunny Brigade Pennsylvania,
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    | text      = Bunny Brigade PA, it's a bunny charity, like a rescue animal charity, oh okay, yeah, yeah,
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    | text      = I'm way ahead, they're apparently trying to expand and you can go to their website and
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    | text      = donate if you want to help save some bunnies, hell yeah, I was very close to trying to adopt
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    | text      = one of them because I looked at the website and there's a couple that were very cute,
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    | text      = of course there are, of course there are, you can't not adopt a bunny, no, anyway, Bunny
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    | text      = Brigade PA, you're now a policy wonk, I'm a policy wonk, thank you very much, and then
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    | text      = a couple technocrats here Jordan, we got Just Listen to Jordan stand up on YouTube and really
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    | text      = enjoyed it, you're now a technocrat, and Derek's brother Connor, you're now a technocrat, and
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    | text      = Derek hey, congratulations on your engagement recently, I hope you and Mallory have a great
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    | text      = time with your lives, I don't know how to say words, you're now a technocrat, I'm a
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    | text      = policy wonk, crikey mate, that's fantastic, have yourself a brew, how's your 401k doing
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    | text      = bro?
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    | text      = Alright, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this Watson alright, let's just get down to business,
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    | text      = we ain't making that money off that heroin, why you pimps so good, my neck is freakishly
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    | text      = large, I declare info war on you, thank you all, yes, thank you very much, especially
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    | text      = to me for donating to our show, just to make sure everybody knows that I might have a stand
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    | text      = up video on YouTube still, and I'm not sure if I do, but okay, so Jordan, we're gonna
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    | text      = get into this here, but first, here is an out of context drop, man that was a good show,
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    | text      = didn't cover all the news, covered a lot of it, okay, okay, okay, man that was a good
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    | text      = C+, got a 75%, I'm feeling solid about this math test, holy shit, I nailed it, I did some
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    | text      = of the things, that to me felt like really Alex Jones, that's very good, I do appreciate
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    | text      = that, hey this is a good show, also I set the bar low, anyways, onto tomorrow, you gotta
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    | text      = love yourself, you know, so we start here on the 15th, this is a Thursday, and Alex
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    | text      = is still covering the bombing in Riyadh that had happened recently, if you recall it was
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    | text      = a residential complex compound kind of area where a lot of Westerners were known to live,
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    | text      = in the intervening time since then, some more information has come out about the particular
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    | text      = Westerners that were living in these compounds that appeared to be the target of that, and
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    | text      = so this is the direction the story is going to go.
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    | text      = Local companies' employees die in Saudi bombing, now I had this on Infowars.com yesterday,
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    | text      = I briefly mentioned it, I said two days ago, before it was even in the news, on my website
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    | text      = and it's posted, the headline, you saw it, where I said, hmm, I bet the Carlisle Group
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    | text      = is going to be involved, I bet they're involved in the rebuilding, well guess what, guess
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    | text      = who owned the company and it just gotten done selling it and it still had connections to
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    | text      = it as a subsidiary, the Carlisle Group, the Benlodons, the Bushes and the rest of them.
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    | text      = So the company in question that were apparently the targets of this 2003 bombing in Riyadh
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    | text      = was the Vinnell Corporation, it's a construction business that was founded in 1931 and has
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    | text      = a deep history of international contracts for U.S. interests.
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    | text      = For instance, during the Vietnam War, Vinnell was tasked with maintaining power plant systems
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    | text      = over there overseas, they're actually pretty well known for this because in 1967, approximately
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    | text      = 2,000 Korean workers at a Vinnell plant in Cameron Bay were dissatisfied enough with
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    | text      = their conditions that they rioted.
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    | text      = From Shelby Stanton's book, The Rise and Fall of an American Army, U.S. Ground Forces in
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    | text      = Vietnam, 1965 to 1973, quote, the primary cause appears to have been dissatisfaction
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    | text      = with the food served them, particularly the shortage of rice.
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    | text      = The Koreans refused to eat their Saturday meal on November 18th and went to the Vinnell
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    | text      = Mess Hall where they turned over tables and attacked several Americans.
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    | text      = They forced the American project manager to eat some of their food to show them how bad
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    | text      = it was.
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    | text      = A Vinnell Corporation civilian took out his gun and shot three Koreans.
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    | text      = He was then mobbed and severely injured and a Korean shot another American.
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    | text      = The riot ended up lasting four days.
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    | text      = Yeah, I was gonna say, like you say a company that does stuff for American government since
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    | text      = 1931 and I'm like, I'm probably bad.
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    | text      = Not since 1931.
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    | text      = They were founded in 1931.
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    | text      = But they have a long history of performing government contracts in what are probably
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    | text      = war zones or a lot of the time.
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    | text      = So they're bad.
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    | text      = Yeah, and their involvement in government contracts began during the Chinese Civil War
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    | text      = when they were hired to ship supplies, meaning weapons, to Chiang Kai-Shek's forces.
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    | text      = Oh shit, was Alex right about everything?
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = Oh, okay.
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    | text      = Because they were sending weapons to Chiang Kai-Shek.
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    | text      = Yes, I know.
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    | text      = It was fighting against Mao.
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    | text      = So I don't know, Alex has got a tough point there.
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    | text      = What's really most notable about this company, however, is that in 1975 they landed a very
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    | text      = lucrative contract to train the Saudi Arabian National Guard.
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    | text      = This is almost certainly- Can they do that?
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    | text      = Apparently they can.
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    | text      = This is almost certainly why their building was a target for that attack in Riyadh.
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    | text      = Not some obscure connection to people Alex is insisting on connecting everyone to back
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    | text      = in 2003.
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    | text      = In fact, their headquarters in Saudi Arabia had been bombed back in 1995, too.
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    | text      = This is something that I think people know to do.
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    | text      = Yeah, I mean, you're bad, so this happens.
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    | text      = I think that the people who would be trying to attack the Saudi Arabian government, maybe
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    | text      = some rebel types or terrorists, would know enough to be like, well, let's not just attack
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    | text      = the government.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = I mean, they're not using them with material stuff.
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    | text      = It kind of makes sense.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = Here's the connection between Vinil and Carlyle Group.
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    | text      = In 1992, Vinil Corporation was bought by BDM International Incorporated, which in turn
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    | text      = was owned by the Carlyle Group.
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    | text      = However, in 1997, BDM was purchased by TRW Incorporated, which represented the end of
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    | text      = their association with the Carlyle Group.
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    | text      = According to an article in the Washington Post from 1997 about the deal, Carlyle had
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    | text      = agreed to sell its entire stake and shares in the company to TRW in the acquisition,
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    | text      = so there isn't even some minority ownership remaining the way Alex is pretending.
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    | text      = Right, right, right, right.
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    | text      = Then in 2002, TRW was bought by Northrop Grumman, so at the time Alex is recording this episode
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    | text      = and he wants to talk about this company in the context of the military industrial complex,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = this would be the angle to take.
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    | text      = It seems really simple, too, which is why you can't do it.
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    | text      = It's too easy.
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    | text      = By pointing fingers at the Carlyle Group, Alex is making this piece of information fit
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    | text      = his pre-written narratives about Bush, but he's depriving the audience of access to any
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    | text      = real context for the subject that he's covering.
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    | text      = At the point Alex is on air here, the Carlyle Group was six years removed from selling Vinel's
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    | text      = parent company, and even if they were owners of Vinel's parent company, still it wouldn't
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    | text      = prove anything.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Oh, man.
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    | text      = I mean, to a certain extent, I think once you're talking about a company that's been
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    | text      = bought like three times in six years, I don't even know if any of these people have any
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    | text      = idea what it is they're buying or selling at that highest level.
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    | text      = You know what I'm saying?
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    | text      = What do you mean George W. Bush knows what's going on or anything like that?
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    | timestamp = 00:14:50.019
    | text      = He's got people who are just like, ah, we'll do all that stuff.
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    | text      = He's bumbling around like a fool.
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    | text      = I don't know.
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    | text      = They don't know what they're doing if they're buying those kinds of companies and then selling
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    | text      = them a year later.
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    | text      = Well, from what I understand from reading some of these articles, it was a period of
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    | text      = time where there was rampant consolidation and merger and going on in terms of these
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    | text      = international contractors.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:15:12.120
    | text      = Right, right, right.
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    | text      = And so that kind of explains a little bit of the moving around.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:15:17.799
    | text      = Right, right, right.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I don't know.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:15:20.799
    | text      = It's not compelling.
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    | text      = Just because you see the name Carlyle Group in the past of this company.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:15:26.000
    | text      = Right, right, right.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:15:27.000
    | text      = I don't know.
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    | text      = It's soft.
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    | text      = Northrop Grumman is probably an easier name to just pull and be like, problem.
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    | text      = Doesn't come up at all.
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    | text      = See?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = No, but problem.
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    | text      = You know?
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    | text      = Weird that it doesn't come up at all.
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    | text      = The name Northrop Grumman doesn't come up at all in Alex's conversation.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I thought Alex has a stake in Northrop Grumman.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = See?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Anybody can do it, Dan.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:15:46.279
    | text      = Anybody can do it.
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    | text      = Alex owns part of Northrop Grumman.
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    | timestamp = 00:15:48.440
    | text      = So it's all a conspiracy that he's trying to get people to hate the, it's, anybody.
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    | text      = As founded as anything else.
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    | text      = Done.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:15:54.059
    | text      = Yeah, anybody.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Anybody.
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    | text      = Apparently this Vinnell Corporation is also apparently a front for the CIA.
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    | text      = Oh, okay.
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    | text      = Turns out the firm was a cover for the CIA too.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:03.720
    | text      = Oh, lo and behold, what got bombed was the CIA, hence the Times of London, and the Vinnells
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:12.399
    | text      = one-time owners of the Carlyle Group, shadowy CIA operations.
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    | text      = Here are the mainstream articles, NBC and the Times of London, on the website Infowars.com
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    | text      = right now.
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    | text      = One of the things that I've learned to be very careful about when dealing with speculative
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    | text      = information is claims that people or groups are fronts.
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    | text      = This is an accusation that's really difficult to work with because generally speaking it's
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    | text      = a claim that's made constantly without proof, and people who make the claim often seem to
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    | text      = think that the burden of proof is on you to show that some group isn't a front, which
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    | text      = is a trap.
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    | text      = If you read any John Birch Society text or book from the anti-communist crusaders that
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    | text      = Alex loves, one of the first things you'll notice is that every single thing is asserted
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    | text      = to be a communist front, and none of it is ever substantiated.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Gary Allen's book, Communist Revolution in the Streets, accuses literally every civil
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    | text      = rights organization, every student activism group, and most bookstores of being communist
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    | text      = fronts.
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    | text      = And not in the sense that some communists might gravitate to these things.
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    | timestamp = 00:17:13.240
    | text      = He's claiming that these exist explicitly as props of the communist party.
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    | text      = It was Barnes and Nobleski, if you, alright.
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    | text      = So anyway, my point is that it's one of the rhetorical tricks that I have the least interest
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    | text      = in, is like an unsupported allegation that something or someone is a front.
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    | timestamp = 00:17:31.400
    | text      = Nonsense.
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    | text      = The question I just wrote down is like, after all these years, what does Alex think the
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    | timestamp = 00:17:37.039
    | text      = CIA's portfolio actually looks like, like if there was a balance sheet of all of their
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    | timestamp = 00:17:42.599
    | text      = fronts?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:43.599
    | text      = Jesus.
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    | text      = So in the case of Vinnell, there is an article in the London Times about how they were formerly
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    | text      = owned by the Carlyle Group, and that the Carlyle Group had a history of contracting with intelligence
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    | text      = organizations.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:53.680
    | text      = Sure.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:54.680
    | text      = Sure's the headline that Alex is talking about.
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    | text      = Now, here's the thing.
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    | text      = I would never come to you and say that Vinnell absolutely hasn't done some work with groups
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    | text      = like the CIA.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:04.160
    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = That's almost a certainty, considering their longstanding contract to train the Saudi National
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    | text      = Guard.
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    | text      = And allegations have been made.
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    | text      = From a 2003 article in the LA Times, quote, in a memoir, former CIA operative Wilbur Crane
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    | text      = Evelyn described using his title as Vinnell vice president as a cover while working in
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    | timestamp = 00:18:23.079
    | text      = Africa and the Middle East in the early 1960s.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = It's definitely conceivable to imagine that at times people who work for the CIA have
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    | text      = used fake employment at Vinnell as cover, but that alone doesn't demonstrate that the
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    | text      = entire company itself is a front operation.
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    | text      = I'm going out of my way to provide explanations for why Alex could be right, and I still don't
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    | text      = think his argument stands up to scrutiny.
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    | timestamp = 00:18:43.319
    | text      = No.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = No, I mean, here's what I get from all of the evidence.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:50.839
    | text      = Something shady could be going on here.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:53.599
    | text      = Here's what I get from Alex.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:18:55.079
    | text      = It's the fucking globalists inside everybody.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:57.440
    | text      = And we've proved it.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:58.440
    | text      = Yeah, exactly.
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    | text      = And it's like, man, I'm not saying nothing shady's going on, but I'm not saying nothing's
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    | text      = not going on.
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    | text      = Initially, after the bombing, it was suspected that the attacks were on a housing area known
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    | text      = to be used by Westerners living in Riyadh.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:19:10.559
    | text      = As more details came out, it became more clear that this was likely a targeted attack aimed
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    | text      = at Vinnell.
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    | text      = What makes a lot of sense is that, from the standpoint of people who might attack the
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    | text      = Saudi government, like we were talking about, they're assisting and training the National
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    | text      = Guard of Saudi Arabia, and you might see that as a high-profile target.
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    | text      = If you're a rebel, it's hard not to view that as a combatant target.
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    | text      = The CIA could outright run Vinnell, or they could just be a company that had close ties
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    | text      = to the government and allowed CIA agents to use their business's name as part of the cover.
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    | text      = Either way, I'm not sure it really matters, because the thing they're doing sucks.
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    | text      = There's a much larger problem here with this entire state of private armies and war contractors,
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    | text      = but instead of dealing with those things realistically, Alex just wants to jingle around keys like
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    | text      = the CIA and Carlyle group, because distracting is easier than wrestling with difficult information
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    | text      = and looking at the reality.
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    | text      = That's what he's doing, and it's wild.
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    | text      = I mean, then again, to a certain extent, it's hard not to look back in the context of, like,
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    | text      = when he has Trump, he's fine with so much of this shit, you know?
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    | text      = He likes Blackwater now.
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    | text      = Yeah, he loves all of this stuff, so, you know, maybe part of the reason-
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    | text      = He thinks Prince is a hero.
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    | text      = Part of the reason maybe that he's doing all of these jangling keys kinds of things is
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    | text      = because he wants the fundamental problems to stay the same, he just wants to be in control
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    | text      = of those fundamental problems and how we react to them, you know?
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    | text      = He wants to have a private army.
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    | text      = So why would he complain about people who have private armies unless it's within the
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    | text      = context of jangling keys over here, you know?
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    | text      = Well, I mean, certainly, you know, libertarianism is not averse to private armies.
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    | text      = No, no, no.
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    | text      = Most libertarian thinkers seem to-
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    | text      = As long as you get to join.
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    | text      = So, anyway, Alex has some more conspiracies about this company in Saudi.
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    | text      = Turns out that 50 plus of the 70 employees were gone on a training mission and-
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    | text      = So he's saying that 50 of the 70 employees at Vinil were gone on a training mission,
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    | text      = but what he's doing is he's trying to create the false impression in the listener's head.
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    | text      = Whenever there's an attack, you'll always hear claims that some select group was warned
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    | text      = not to be there or had been removed from the area beforehand because claims like this seem
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    | text      = to be really strong indications of foreknowledge and probably it's a false lie.
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    | text      = Of course.
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    | text      = Alex wants you to think that 50 of the seven employees there weren't at work that day,
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    | text      = which is suspicious, but that's not the situation.
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    | text      = The buildings that were bombed were a residential compound where 70 American employees lived.
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    | text      = I'm not sure where Alex is getting the 50 number from, but nine employees died and 15
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    | text      = were hospitalized, not counting many who were merely treated for minor injuries.
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    | text      = Jesus.
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    | text      = Also, if people who worked at Vinil weren't at home, they almost by definition would be
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    | text      = on a training mission since the reason they're in Saudi Arabia is a training mission.
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    | text      = The words Alex is saying actually mean nothing, but they're meant to create a denser air of
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    | text      = suspicion around the bombing, which is unearned by the information that he's actually presenting.
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    | text      = It does seem like he's even presenting it the exact opposite way in as far as they were
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    | text      = just at work.
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    | text      = He's like, they're on a training mission, meaning they're not at work, but in this circumstance,
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    | text      = they're at work.
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    | text      = They're not at home.
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    | text      = Yeah, he's meaning it to be like they were sent to UAE.
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    | text      = Right, right, right.
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    | text      = He's trying to sell it like if the Pentagon got exploded tomorrow, but all the top generals
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    | text      = escaped miraculously the day before, you're like, well, that's suspicious as shit instead
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    | text      = of like-
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    | text      = That's exactly what he's doing.
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    | text      = They all just went to work that day.
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    | text      = It was a normal day.
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    | text      = He's saying all the higher ups were gone, and he literally does say a couple of times
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    | text      = like, the janitors were the ones who were-
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = I don't know about this.
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    | text      = So Alex jumps off this topic, and he reads a bit of an op-ed by Joseph Farah, the guy
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    | text      = who runs WorldNetDaily.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = I bet it's great.
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    | text      = Well, one of the things that I think is really fascinating about this is that Alex doesn't
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    | text      = seem to like WorldNetDaily in 2003.
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    | text      = I'm just so confused.
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    | text      = He doesn't consider them allies.
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    | text      = I'm furious.
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    | text      = So anyway, this is going to start with him reading from the article and then expounding
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    | text      = a little bit on some of his feelings.
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    | text      = Most people need to rethink their notions about the political spectrum and the left
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    | text      = end.
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    | text      = Most people agree you have communism, total government control over the means of production
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    | text      = and property.
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    | text      = It's the other end of the spectrum that many get confused.
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    | text      = Ask most left-wingers, and they'll suggest that fascism is on the extreme right, 180
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    | text      = degrees from communism.
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    | text      = Uh-uh.
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    | text      = Wow, Farah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = You've been listening to the show.
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    | text      = We know a lot of WorldNetDaily writers listen, and you've admitted that.
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    | text      = I've got news for you, friends.
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    | text      = Fascism and communism are ideological kissing cousins.
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    | text      = Boy, you said it.
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    | text      = I would place fascism and socialism just a few degrees to the right of communism.
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    | text      = No, Farah.
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    | text      = It's not left-right.
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    | text      = What?
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    | text      = Fascism, communism, socialism, all on the command and control, tyranny, serfdom, feudalism,
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    | text      = and republics, constitutional republics, are on the other end of that spectrum.
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    | text      = Get a little more sophisticated.
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    | text      = I think you are.
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    | text      = I think you know.
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    | text      = They've got to keep you in that left-right.
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    | text      = You think you get a choice when really you're on the big government side.
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    | text      = That's weird.
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    | text      = Words, words, words, words, words, words, words, words, words, words.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Alex loves WorldNetDaily now and has over large stretches of his career, but he seems
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    | text      = to think that they're neo-cons at this point, and he thinks that this op-ed that Joseph
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    | text      = Farah wrote is an indication that they're coming around or something, and so he's excited.
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    | text      = I'm less interested in that op-ed than I am in Alex's discussion about some of the more
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    | text      = the specifics about his belief that the right-left paradigm is an illusion.
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    | text      = I'm a big fan of how he confuses economic systems, government systems, any number of
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    | text      = different things.
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    | text      = Listening to mostly more current episodes of Alex's show from the past five or six years,
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    | text      = you get the sense that that idea had something to do with political parties.
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    | text      = Even at the end of the clip, he's making reference to the left and the right having something
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    | text      = to do with giving you the illusion of having a choice, which feels like he's talking about
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    | text      = voting and political parties.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = However, listening to these 2003 episodes, the concept has sort of taken a different
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    | text      = shape.
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    | text      = Since Alex talks a little bit more about what he actually means back then, and I have to
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    | text      = say that I think it's actually way stupider than I thought it was, it actually seems like
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    | text      = a political philosophy that's tailor-made to be defined by opposition, which goes a
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    | text      = long way toward helping make sense of how the show seemed nonsensical in the Trump era
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    | text      = and now.
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    | text      = When Alex is discussing the illusion of the left-right paradigm, I believe you have to
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    | text      = just completely get ideas of liberal or conservative politics out of your head.
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    | text      = I think Alex is operating on a completely different axis, which is essentially just
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    | text      = government is bad.
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    | text      = It's a pretty childish thing to express as your fundamental political belief, especially
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    | text      = if you don't have the courage to just come out and be a full-on anarchist.
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    | text      = If you're against big government, then I'd like to remind you that small government is
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    | text      = fucking huge compared to no government.
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    | text      = Leaving that aside, I want to discuss for a second why Alex's conception of this being
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    | text      = the only relevant excess in politics is woefully dumb and not the way to look at the world.
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    | text      = The sole factor Alex considers in terms of ideology is whether or not something is a
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    | text      = system that includes government control of the public, the command and control aspect.
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    | text      = On the one side of the spectrum, he puts communism, socialism, and fascism as systems with high
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    | text      = government control, and at the other end, he has this idealized version of a constitutional
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    | text      = republic, which I guess is supposed to have minimal government control, I guess.
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    | text      = I don't know.
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    | text      = If that's the only factor that matters, then there should be no difference to Alex between
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    | text      = anarcho-capitalism and libertarian socialism.
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    | text      = Both advocate for the elimination of the centralized state, which would result in a system with
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    | text      = even less governmental control over the public than exists in a republic.
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    | text      = Both are conceived around people existing in a stateless world, characterized by voluntarily
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    | text      = constructed groups.
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    | text      = But obviously, these two ideologies have stark differences.
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    | text      = One of the biggest is their stance on private property.
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    | text      = Anarcho-capitalists believe the right to private property is essentially the bedrock of society,
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    | text      = whereas libertarian socialists would view the accumulation of private property to be
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    | text      = an instance of the same oppression one might face from the state, just being carried out
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    | text      = by a private corporation.
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    | text      = It's very obvious if you look at these two systems that Alex isn't really being honest
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    | text      = about his political preferences.
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    | text      = If there's two schools of thought which both eschew centralized governmental control, there
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = are still political preferences that Alex has that are on the left-right spectrum.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Private property is a matter of the left-right spectrum.
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    | text      = While it's true that most center-left and center-right people tend to agree that private
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    | text      = property ownership is good, that's not true when you go to the further ends of the spectrum.
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    | text      = Further-left ideologies tend to favor communal ownership of private property or democratized
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    | text      = workplaces.
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    | text      = Conversely, further-right ideologies tend to believe that private property rights are
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    | text      = inalienable human rights, and they have no problem with exploitative workplaces because
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    | text      = employment is a voluntary relationship.
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    | text      = Alex presents himself as being above the left-right paradigm because he wants you to think that
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    | text      = he's talking about democrat-republican two-party system stuff that exists in the United States.
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    | text      = He wants you to think that because most people are disenfranchised with that two-party system,
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    | text      = and it's an easy thing to find agreement with.
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    | text      = Most people would be like, yeah, you know, these aren't fully, they don't fully encapsulate
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    | text      = my ideology.
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    | text      = And if you look at it as like a line between the two parties, yes, that is an illusion.
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    | text      = That's what he wants you to think, but that's not what he's talking about.
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    | text      = It's important to recognize that, and recognize that he's a liar.
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    | text      = When he says that he's above the left-right paradigm, what he's actually saying is that
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    | text      = he hates government, that he lacks the political depth to coherently advocate for the form
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    | text      = of anarchy that he would prefer, and so he just pretends that the answer is a constitutional
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    | text      = republic.
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    | text      = Yeah, I mean, I would also add into that, that level of, you know, the type of person
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    | text      = who wants capitalism, but you know, they're not going to be the people grounded underneath
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    | text      = the boot of capitalism.
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    | text      = You know, look, listen, I think, you know, people shouldn't have all of this money.
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    | text      = I mean, I should have all of this money, obviously, but people shouldn't have all this money,
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    | text      = you know?
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    | text      = Because again, you want to preserve so much of the system that gives you power over everybody
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    | text      = else, instead of being like, look, I don't want any government, whoa, whoa, whoa, then
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    | text      = people might steal my expensive things, you know, like that kind of feel.
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    | text      = If you created his kind of left-right paradigm world within there, there'd still be fucking
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    | text      = cops to protect his shit, so he doesn't have to.
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    | text      = Like that's the kind of anarcho bullshit he's peddling, so yeah, fuck off.
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    | text      = Yeah, I mean, what I would need from him is, okay, so if the question is command and control
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    | text      = nonsense and like what amount the government controls the population, right, that is the
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    | text      = relevant access upon which you can judge politics.
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    | text      = That's it.
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    | text      = If that's the case, then you need to explain to me why a constitutional republic is more
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    | text      = preferable than an anarchist state, because that would be the complete elimination of
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    | text      = this thing that you think is the bad.
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    | text      = And then you'd have to argue, I guess if you're Alex, that a certain amount is important.
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    | text      = And then, okay, why?
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    | text      = He's like, well, because I like to control things or something, you know?
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    | text      = Yeah, exactly.
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    | text      = Because I want stuff.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And this doesn't even get into differentiation between personal and private property and
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    | text      = how many left ideologies still believe in personal property.
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    | text      = And the right does try to muddle those things a little bit.
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    | text      = It's easy.
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    | text      = But yeah, and I mean, this also isn't even getting into the differentiation between political
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    | text      = and more economic models and how Alex is just playing fast and loose between all of them.
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    | text      = You can have a fascist communist state.
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    | text      = There's a government and an economic model there that's not a fascist or communist state.
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    | text      = That's not how it works.
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    | text      = And, I don't know, I just think when you hear stuff like this, what it does is it helps
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    | text      = me understand a little bit more about these sort of elements of Alex's costume that he
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    | text      = wears to try and trick people into thinking he's sensible.
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    | text      = And that being above the left-right paradigm looks sensible, because you could say, Republicans
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    | text      = and Democrats are all the same.
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    | text      = They're beholden to corporate interests, special interest groups, and you can say that.
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    | text      = And I think you can get a lot of people to be like, yeah, you know what?
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    | text      = That makes some sense.
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    | text      = But that's not what Alex is talking about.
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    | text      = No, no.
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    | text      = It's just a little bit of a disguise.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I mean, you can call yourself above the left-right paradigm fairly easily because a winning strategy
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    | text      = for both Republicans and Democrats is to say, listen, the Republicans and the Democrats
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    | text      = fucking suck.
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    | text      = Elect me to be one of those Republicans or Democrats, you know, like it's a winning strategy.
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    | text      = It kind of is.
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    | text      = It's not hard.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = It does.
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    | text      = It helps.
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    | text      = It helps.
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    | text      = What a pathetic world.
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    | text      = But anyway, labels and words mean nothing.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Communism, fascism, it means nothing, nothing.
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    | text      = It's all strong man, thug, empire, get it straight.
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    | text      = If your goal is to enlighten an audience or help them better understand the world around
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    | text      = them and the political conversations that they're hearing, this is exactly the opposite
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    | text      = of what you should do.
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    | text      = Communism and fascism do definitely mean something.
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    | text      = They are just words that describe imperial strongmen wearing different colored hats and
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    | text      = convincing audiences that that's the case makes them entirely unprepared to deal with
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    | text      = challenging political issues.
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    | text      = Also, if you take Alex at his word, then the hallmarks of the sort of government that he
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    | text      = hates and he does not want to exist is one that's run by a strongman or thug, which is
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    | text      = an empire.
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    | text      = I know hypocrisy means nothing, but by these standards, Donald Trump is precisely the candidate
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    | text      = 2003 Alex Jones would strongly oppose.
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    | text      = In 2015, Alex knew Trump was connected to the mob and presented an image of a strongman
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    | text      = as a facade.
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    | text      = He put on this image.
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    | text      = He was a fake strongman.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = During the campaign, Trump made signals to being open to empire and Alex even defended
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    | text      = Trump's desire to buy Greenland and claim space in the name of the United States.
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    | text      = Come on, you want Greenland, you want space.
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    | text      = Trump fails Alex's imaginary test that's allegedly above the left-right paradigm, but Alex still
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    | text      = supports him because he actually passes Alex's real litmus test, which is heavily dependent
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    | text      = on the left-right paradigm.
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    | text      = Oh yeah.
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    | text      = That's important to keep in mind, but it's important to remember that that's really what
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    | text      = motivates him.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = It's such a bummer that these concepts like communism and fascism and all of that stuff,
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    | text      = things that really do take a book or multiple books or many, many books to understand clearly,
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    | text      = let alone try and implement.
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    | text      = And then you've got people who are just like, communism is this in a short sentence.
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    | text      = That's going to muddy the waters.
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    | text      = Nobody wants to read many, many books.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And I think you have that same problem on the reverse side.
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    | text      = Oh yeah, totally.
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    | text      = People promoting certain ideologies or systems, doing it overly simplistically.
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    | text      = I think you run into similar issues of watering down meanings, confusing people.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And there's a lot of complexity and I'm not even sitting here pretending I understand
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    | text      = fully every intricate aspect of theory.
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    | text      = Right, right.
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    | text      = No, no, no.
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = It becomes, you know, why did Marx write Das Kapital?
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    | text      = It's so big.
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    | text      = He should have written a one page ad in the New York Times and we all still would have
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    | text      = gotten it, right?
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    | text      = That's how simple theory is.
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    | text      = Hey capitalism, I got two words for you.
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    | text      = Suck it.
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    | text      = Yes, exactly.
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    | text      = Yeah, done.
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    | text      = So Alex jumps off this and goes on to another headline that I guess is the big news.
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    | text      = But the big news when we get back, dead man left on gym floor while others exercise, just
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    | text      = how people don't care anymore.
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    | text      = This is a sad headline, but...
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    | text      = That's the big news.
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    | text      = Yeah, I'm not sure there's any place being part of the news roundup of a national radio
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    | text      = show.
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    | text      = I don't know.
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    | text      = Single person hurt in accident.
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    | text      = On shows like Alex's, you'll hear coverage like this a lot because it serves a couple
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    | text      = of important emotional purposes for the audience.
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    | text      = The first is that a straw man is created of the heartless people who could just exercise
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    | text      = while a person next to them was dead.
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    | text      = The listener gets to imagine how horrible these people are and feel morally superior
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    | text      = to these imaginary people.
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    | text      = The second is to demoralize the audience about the state of the world and erode their belief
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    | text      = in their fellow persons.
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    | text      = The goal is to present a situation where the audience hears this headline and they imagine
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    | text      = that these people in the gym continued to work out fully aware that this person was
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    | text      = dead because that's shitty of them.
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    | text      = If they didn't know the person was dead and thought possibly he was just resting, then
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    | text      = you can't really paint this as a story that highlights the moral degradation of the broader
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    | text      = culture.
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    | text      = It's really more just a situation where people are minding their own business at the gym
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    | text      = and there's a tragic coincidence.
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    | text      = People not bothering stranger.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = It's sad and it's unfortunate, but it's not like...
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    | text      = This is not a news story that illustrates how bad people are.
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    | text      = Yeah, no, it's like he's trying to do a sequel to Boondock Saints, but it's about people
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    | text      = at the gym who are just minding their own business.
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    | text      = I've been to the gym many times and people could have been dead.
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    | text      = There are people who I've seen laying, like, and your favorite word, supine.
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    | text      = Supine.
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    | text      = You're never gonna let me live that down.
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    | text      = Nope.
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    | text      = They're just laying there and obviously, you know, if you want to go poke them, you can,
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    | text      = but also every time I have been around, they eventually get up because they've just been
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    | text      = tired because they're working out.
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    | text      = Imagine how many years someone does that.
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    | text      = If you're listening to Alex Jones in 2003, right, and you're like taking this one story
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    | text      = to heart.
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    | text      = You've missed everything else he's ever said, but you got this one story.
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    | text      = How many years are you poking people at the gym before maybe you find a dead guy?
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    | text      = You know?
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    | text      = Your whole life.
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    | text      = Your whole life.
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    | text      = You're never finding a dead guy.
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    | text      = You're not finding people now.
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    | text      = I bet you're not.
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    | text      = You're an asshole.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = So Alex has Craig Roberts back on.
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    | text      = And you'd have to try and explain it every time.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Oh, sorry.
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    | text      = I thought you were dead.
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    | text      = Sorry.
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    | text      = I thought you were dead.
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    | text      = In 2003, Alex Jones had this story where people watched everybody die and I'm just not gonna
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    | text      = let it happen.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Alex Jones convinced me that the only way to be a good person was to poke everybody.
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    | text      = Exactly.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So Alex has Craig Roberts back on, who is the conspiracy theorist type, and he was on
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    | text      = partially because he's gonna be in Kansas City with Alex in this speech.
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    | text      = And so, you know, there's a war going on in the world.
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    | text      = This is obviously just a distraction from the financial collapse that's happening tomorrow.
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    | text      = Gold.
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    | text      = And then we hit a common theme.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = If they can keep us in a war, that'll divert us off the plunging economy and the shopping
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = malls being empty.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Because this, it's not just oil or weapons sales, it's about a global police state.
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    | text      = From Russia to the US, governments are using the terror as a massive crackdown mechanism.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = We know Putin got caught blowing up buildings in Russia.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Well, it's order out of chaos, not decaled.
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    | text      = That's their motto.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Every day, Putin and the apartment buildings come up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Every single day.
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    | text      = In this stretch?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Every day.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I have been keeping track.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Not a single episode has gone by that hasn't come up multiple times.
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    | text      = It makes me so mad.
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    | text      = It makes me so mad.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That's a cornerstone of his sort of reporting at this point.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You can just do whatever you want.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You certainly can.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That's the lesson of America.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = If you're a psycho, you can do whatever the fuck you want.
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    | text      = So at this point, Alex, he has his interview with Craig Robertson.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It's kind of short and I don't really care.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I don't find that guy very interesting.
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    | text      = But what is interesting is that Alex then has an interview with his water filter sponsor.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Oh no.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:39:08.239
    | text      = Bad news coming out, bad economy, and people putting their money back in.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Public indicators, there's no one at the stores.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I go to CompUSA to buy something computer-wise.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I go to the mall.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = There's no one there, Jim.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Well and that's what, that's basically the story all the way through the economy.
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    | text      = And they're saying is brace for massive terror attacks.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = We're going to get hit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Blah, blah, blah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = People, you better get essentials.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = You better pick up the phone and get these water filters.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You are nuts if you don't.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Jim, tell them about the new.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That's shameless.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That's what they knew.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = That's an incredible new product.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty shameless.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That is, that is without shame.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That is the definition of shameless.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Let's get those water filters and the sponsor on to scare people.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = They're going to be terrorist attacks.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:39:52.880
    | text      = They want to scare you with all these terrorist attacks.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Let me tell you something, people.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = The economy's collapsing so you need water filters.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I'm not trying to scare you with terror attacks.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I think that, you know, I think we've talked about this a little bit in the past, but I
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = think it's been a really long time.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Like, I think that there is a way to do what Alex is doing in a responsible way.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You know, like be like, hey, you know, there, there are dangers in the world and you know,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = let's say if you have a family, it would be good to have a little bit of food stored in
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = case of a natural disaster or something like when I was growing up, there was a worry about
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = tornadoes in Missouri.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And so my parents had some canned food and water in the basement just as a, like, we
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = never ended up needing it, but just in case it's there.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Exactly.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I always have an extra big bag of cat food on hand because I have a cat.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Of course.
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    | text      = And I don't want to run into a situation where something could happen and I'm not able to
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    | text      = take care of this thing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I think that there is like a way to, it's not this though.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = This is exploitative and playing on people's fears.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = There, there's a, there's a version of this that is like looking at life responsibly and
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = trying to be like, well, you may need this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:01.679
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = It's, it's not a terrible idea just in case.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And the other side of it is this, like you're, you're stupid if you don't get these, these
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = water filters because there's going to be terrorist attacks and the economy is going
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:41:13.840
    | text      = to collapse.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:14.840
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = It is unfortunate that that's like that combination of when commerce and capital met psychology
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:23.659
    | text      = and turned it into advertising and they're like, we can get more stuff if we emotionally
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:41:27.519
    | text      = manipulate people than if we provide them a rational argument.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = So we're going to emotionally manipulate them.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:41:33.440
    | text      = The end.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:34.539
    | text      = So the filter sponsor, he apparently just got some big news from a major scientist about
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:40.659
    | text      = how great his filters are.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:42.239
    | text      = And Alex tries to set this up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:43.639
    | text      = Please tell me it's Dr. Fauci of all people.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:45.519
    | text      = I wish.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:46.519
    | text      = Why not?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:47.519
    | text      = Let's throw that in there.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:48.519
    | text      = No, I'm not that big of a witch.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:49.519
    | text      = Um, no, but the, the, the filter sponsor doesn't have time to talk about this and listen to
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:54.320
    | text      = Alex's disappointment here.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:55.320
    | text      = Okay, let's hear this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:56.719
    | text      = So it's really, you had a famous scientist do the test.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:00.639
    | text      = Uh, that's correct.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:02.639
    | text      = And um, well, Alex, I tell you what, I'm, I'm on a business trip and I've got to be
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    | timestamp = 00:42:09.280
    | text      = somewhere in about 15 minutes, but if I can, uh, I'd like to give a little special out
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:14.599
    | text      = here.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:15.599
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:16.599
    | text      = Go ahead, Jim.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:17.599
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:18.599
    | text      = Very disappointed.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:19.599
    | text      = Who is the famous scientist?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:21.599
    | text      = One thing to say, you said a famous scientist, say the name, then give the ad.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:27.159
    | text      = Yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:28.159
    | text      = The end.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:29.159
    | text      = This has been approved by Mary.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:30.159
    | text      = Something, something, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:34.519
    | text      = Watson and Crick.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:36.059
    | text      = Jonas Salk approves of my water filters.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:38.800
    | text      = Now we have a special running.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:40.440
    | text      = Naturally, naturally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:41.440
    | text      = Anyway, Alex is another guest and this is something that he's been promoting all day.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:45.239
    | text      = He's so excited to have this guy on.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = He is a Canadian journalist named Barry Zwicker.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:49.679
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:50.679
    | text      = Uh, and uh, he does not like 9-11 and thinks 9-11 was an inside job and what have you.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:55.400
    | text      = All right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:42:56.400
    | text      = And he's been playing him up as like the biggest deal, like a huge Canadian journalist, one
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:01.119
    | text      = of the most important in the world.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:02.960
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:03.960
    | text      = And uh, so here's Barry's introduction to the proceedings.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:06.639
    | text      = Well, listen, it's a real pleasure, Alex, I, uh, I, I encountered your face for the
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:12.360
    | text      = first time at the end of that new video, uh, called aftermath, you know, questions, unanswered
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:18.960
    | text      = questions from 9-11.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:19.960
    | text      = I saw that video in San Francisco last month and I really liked what they had you as the
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:25.719
    | text      = last guy punching out a real call for people to wake up and uh, I really admired that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:33.619
    | text      = So Barry Zwicker is an interesting fellow.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:36.280
    | text      = From everything I can tell, he was a pretty standard and accomplished Canadian journalist.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:40.360
    | text      = He'd worked for mainstream outlets and then 9-11 happened and everything seems to have
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:44.880
    | text      = fallen apart.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:45.880
    | text      = Uh oh.
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    | text      = Zwicker decided that...
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    | text      = He's like Dennis Miller.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = Except I don't think that Zwicker's gone full hard right.
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    | text      = Or that Dennis Miller was ever funny.
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    | text      = I don't know if Zwicker's funny either.
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    | text      = Fair.
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    | text      = He decided that the mainstream media story about the attack wasn't real, but he did have
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    | text      = a bit of a different angle on it than Alex.
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    | text      = According to what he told reporter Terry Glavin in a 2006 interview, the end goal of the attack,
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    | text      = carried out by the White House, was to create a war against Islam.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | timestamp = 00:44:13.159
    | text      = That was the conspiracy.
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    | timestamp = 00:44:14.159
    | text      = Well?
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    | text      = In 2004, he would go on to make his own 9-11 film titled The Great Conspiracy, the 9-11
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    | text      = news special you never saw.
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    | text      = It's just as good and just as bad as every other 9-11 documentary and has a title that
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    | text      = bears all the hallmarks of the early days of internet clickbait, before people really
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    | text      = got good at it.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = Before it turned into an art form into itself, yeah.
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    | text      = Over the years, he's continued to be a 9-11 truther and generally the sort of person you
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    | text      = can count on to call just about anything a false flag.
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    | text      = I found a recent interview he did with the Global Research News Hour where he was discussing
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    | text      = how the storming of the Capitol on January 6th was a false flag.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = I know you expected to hear him doing some Alex shtick, but it's the exact opposite.
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    | text      = He was saying that the event was a false flag inspired or directed by Trump, which honestly
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    | text      = makes no sense.
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    | text      = No, I love it.
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    | text      = The term false flag comes from the idea of a ship attacking someone while flying a different
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    | text      = country's flag so that country gets blamed.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = If Trump had a bunch of people storming the Capitol wearing Trump hats, that's not a false
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    | text      = flag.
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    | text      = It's just a straight up correct flag.
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    | text      = It does seem like that, unless you are implying that...
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    | text      = So he's saying that Trump was also in on the setup of his own supporters in order to discredit
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    | text      = his own ideology and support.
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    | text      = No, I don't think so, because he doesn't like Trump.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = But how could Trump be in on a false flag if that...
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    | text      = That's what I'm saying.
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    | text      = Semantically, it doesn't make sense.
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    | text      = No, of course not.
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    | text      = It's tough for me to say, but listening to that interview, it kind of feels like Zwicker
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    | text      = is like an Alex Jones, but with opposite politics.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:45:43.159
    | text      = He's making wildly unfounded assertions and claims that don't make sense, but he's also
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    | text      = staunchly opposed to Trump and recognizes that systemic racism exists.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Hooray.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = His appearance here on Alex's show is a real moment that was possible in 2003, but probably
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    | text      = not much later than that.
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    | text      = Not these days, yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = They felt like they were in agreement as far as 9-11 conspiracies were concerned, but they
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    | text      = actually didn't agree on anything, because they're dreadfully far apart on the left-right
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    | text      = paradigm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:46:12.480
    | text      = The left-right paradigm is fairly important in reality.
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    | text      = It seems to be.
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    | text      = If you judge everything based on something's position in terms of the right and left spectrum,
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    | text      = then maybe that's a little bit reductive itself.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:46:25.599
    | text      = There are multiple axes upon which things can be judged, but pretending that that one
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    | text      = doesn't exist is a real limitation.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Fool's game.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Fool's game, yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = So Barry, oh boy, bam.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Barry says something in this interview that if it were present day, Alex would lose his
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = goddamn mind.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:46:42.880
    | text      = Okay, I want to hear it.
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    | text      = I happen, my hero happens to be a guy named Bertrand Russell, a dead British white philosopher,
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    | text      = and he had his own Ten Commandments, and his first commandment is never lie to yourself.
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    | text      = And I think that is the first and foremost commandment.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Don't lie to yourself.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Bertrand Russell, you got this left-wing globalism arm, and that's how they catch us all.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:47:04.119
    | text      = They got the phony right wing, they got the phony left wing, but that's it for another
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    | timestamp = 00:47:06.599
    | text      = discussion.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:47:07.599
    | text      = But that is another discussion.
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    | text      = So that's a huge tell for me that Alex doesn't believe his own bullshit.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yeah, what a cheater.
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    | text      = According to Infowars lore, Bertrand Russell's writing outright admits that the globalists
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    | text      = plan to drug, sterilize, and kill off most of the population.
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    | text      = Russell is one of the old school globalists, according to Alex, who is instrumental in
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    | text      = coming up with and publicizing their evil plans.
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    | text      = I can understand wanting to have a polite interview, and I do think that there are times
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    | text      = just to agree to disagree about things.
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    | text      = For instance, if Barry thought that the 9-11 planes were remote controlled and Alex felt
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = they were piloted by the hijackers, they could go ahead and agree to disagree without having
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    | text      = a gigantic problem sitting on the table.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = They may have a disagreement, but not a fundamental contradiction.
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    | text      = Not a deal breaker, if you will.
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    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Barry isn't just saying that he kinda likes Bertrand Russell.
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    | text      = He says Russell is his hero.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Barry is a guy who's worked for major papers, and he's taught college courses, so it stands
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = to reason that if he says that Bertrand Russell is his hero, he's probably read as much or
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    | text      = more of his writing than Alex has.
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    | text      = This is why, to me, this cannot be an agree-to-disagree moment.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:07.380
    | text      = In order for Alex to maintain all the narratives he has in play, he has to be agreeing to disagree
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    | text      = about his guest hero-worshipping a guy who he has read, discussing the plans to kill
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    | text      = off most of the human population.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:19.719
    | text      = There's no other reasonable conclusion to come to with the information provided, other
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:23.639
    | text      = than that Barry is an enthusiastic fan of globalist conspiracies.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:27.679
    | text      = He loves him.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:28.679
    | text      = Alex should want to fight him.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = It does seem like Alex is like, okay, okay, I get it.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:34.000
    | text      = We agree that 9-11 was an inside job.
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    | timestamp = 00:48:37.320
    | text      = So I'm going to gloss over the fact that your hero is the architect of killing everybody
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:44.800
    | text      = so we can really get to the bottom of this 9-11 thing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:48.400
    | text      = You might be missing the forest for the fallen trees, if you will.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:52.920
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:53.920
    | text      = Alex knows that there's nothing he can do, and he can't really fight him on this, because
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = he knows that Barry's read Bertrand Russell.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:58.440
    | text      = Yeah, he doesn't know anything about Bertrand Russell.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:59.440
    | text      = He's probably way more conversant on the subject than Alex is.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:02.320
    | text      = It'd be very embarrassing.
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    | timestamp = 00:49:03.320
    | text      = But Alex also knows that if he presses the issue, he risks revealing that his shit about
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Russell is made up.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:08.840
    | text      = But he also knows that he can't just let a statement like that stand.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:12.199
    | text      = And thus, you end up with his middle ground, his spineless agreeing to disagree about one
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:16.199
    | text      = of the top thinkers of the gigantic demonic conspiracy that Alex has made his entire career
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:20.480
    | text      = about fighting happening.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:22.559
    | text      = It's ridiculous.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:23.559
    | text      = Yeah, yeah, because if you're saying that you're above the left-right paradigm, you
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = should be more unhappy with the plan instead of being like, well, there's globalists on
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:34.480
    | text      = the left.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:35.480
    | text      = There's globalists on the right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:36.480
    | text      = What are you going to do?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:37.480
    | text      = Hey, you win some, you lose some.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:38.480
    | text      = Stuck in the middle with Barry.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:39.880
    | text      = Yeah, exactly.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:40.880
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I think that, I mean, obviously this is me just sort of spitballing and coming up with
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    | text      = what I think is the most likely explanation for this.
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    | timestamp = 00:49:49.239
    | text      = And that is that I think that Alex's branding at this point is so dependent on him being
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:53.920
    | text      = able to pretend this left-right paradigm thing is an illusion.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:57.599
    | text      = So for him to have someone who's ostensibly a 9-11 conspiracy theorist who's on the left,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:02.559
    | text      = or who has left tendencies and left politics, I don't think he wants to fight with that
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    | timestamp = 00:50:07.840
    | text      = guy.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:08.840
    | text      = I think it's really important for them to have some kind of an appearance of an alliance,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = especially with the way that Alex has been building him up as this big, giant reporter
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:17.400
    | text      = and super important person in Canada.
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    | text      = And so I think that that takes precedence over this guy's hero is one of your main villains.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = He can't think that Barry isn't aware of Bertrand Russell.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:34.679
    | text      = He can't think that he hasn't read the same things that Alex has read.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:38.119
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:39.119
    | text      = Well, I mean, because Alex is taking advantage of that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:42.699
    | text      = So the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:46.280
    | text      = And you can prove that because Alex is taking advantage of people thinking that the enemy
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:50.239
    | text      = of my enemy is my friend.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:51.960
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:52.960
    | text      = It's fairly simple.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:53.960
    | text      = Open and shut case.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:54.960
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:55.960
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:56.960
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:57.960
    | text      = So they take some calls with Barry and this guy really, really creeped me out.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:51:00.480
    | text      = This guy is so creepy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:51:02.440
    | text      = Let's talk to Bill in Alaska.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:51:04.920
    | text      = You're on the air with our guests.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:51:05.960
    | text      = Go ahead.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:51:06.960
    | text      = Yes, sir.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:51:07.960
    | text      = Alex.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:51:08.960
    | text      = I just had to call in.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:51:10.239
    | text      = I got an enemy that hasn't been mentioned yet on today's show.
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    | text      = And the American people want to know why this is like this.
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    | text      = All they got to do is look in the mirror.
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    | text      = Jim Jones in the case in point, I don't believe he was as guilty as the people that followed
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    | text      = him.
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    | text      = Oh.
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    | text      = He couldn't have been a bad leader if he hadn't had followers.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Creep.
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    | text      = Wow.
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    | text      = Wow.
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    | text      = You're going to need to sell me a lot more on that one.
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    | text      = He does not.
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    | text      = You're going to need a lot more salesmanship on that take.
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    | text      = I will tell you delivery and content both creepy as hell.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = That's no good.
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    | text      = I don't like a fucking bit player from Bonanza from Alaska telling me that Jim Jones was
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    | text      = a good leader.
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    | text      = Hey, in terms of death cults, man, in terms of like mass suicide cults, don't hate the
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    | text      = player, hate the game.
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    | text      = What is happening?
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    | text      = I don't know.
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    | text      = Here's the problem.
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    | text      = People follow Jim Jones.
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    | text      = If he wasn't such a good leader, then they wouldn't have followed him, so it's their
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    | text      = fault.
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    | text      = What?
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = All right.
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    | text      = All right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I'm the Alaskan cowboy here to tell you about death cults.
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    | text      = So the rest of the calls are kind of boring, but then the interview takes a turn hard south
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    | text      = when Barry starts talking about his new DVD that he's been selling.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = We're having an incredible...
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    | text      = It looks like we're moving toward 500 sales.
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    | text      = We have an equation here in Canada, it's called the 10% thing, because the population of Canada
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    | text      = is about one-tenth of the population of USA, so whatever happens to the states, we usually
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    | text      = divide it by 10 and figure that's normal.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = For those that don't know, you're a national television host.
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    | text      = You do this on your own and you write for newspapers and you just put together this
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    | text      = video and believe me, it'll be a lot more than 500 if you get the word out, but...
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    | text      = That is awful.
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    | text      = Like Alex straight up laughs at him.
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    | text      = He's a little 500.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah, that was not a, I'm laughing with you.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = That was an, I'm laughing at you.
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    | text      = That was an almost uncontrollable response to like...
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    | text      = You fucking shit.
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    | text      = Oh no.
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    | text      = 500.
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    | text      = Get out of here.
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    | text      = And there's also the problem of like, alright, even the rule of tens, he's a little 5,000?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That's still not great for what Alex is presenting.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = And so what that does is it pierces the illusion that Alex has created about this guy throughout
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    | text      = the...
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = He's a national writer, he's been on TV, he's the biggest, most important journalist in
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    | text      = Canada and he can get upwards of 500, well upwards of 499 people to really get these.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And it really hurts the facade, and you can tell that there is a tonal change in Alex
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    | text      = after this specific number has been given, because it's like, I can't, I can't...
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    | text      = Now you're nothing to me.
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    | text      = He can't pretend that he is Rush Limbaugh of Canada if he's only moving those many units.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = My audience just, I can't deny that math.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And so it's, you know, it is what it is, and it doesn't go much longer.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But Alex does finish out this episode with some fairly standard complaining.
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    | text      = A number of people detained is on the rise in Russia to Stalinist levels, it says here
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    | text      = in the Moscow Times.
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    | text      = Just total slavery over there, but they don't call it communism, they call it crony capitalism.
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    | text      = Same thing, command and control.
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    | text      = Alex brings up the Putin bombings at least four times in this episode, like it's really
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    | text      = excessive.
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    | text      = And then he says this about the Russian state, I find this fascinating because in the present
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = day when he's trying to defend Putin, Alex will say that Russia isn't a globalist country,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = it's a system of crony capitalism, it's a positive thing now.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Or at least it's not as bad as globalism.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Crony capitalism isn't a negative command and control system in the present day to Alex.
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    | text      = I could speculate about what the reason for this change is, but honestly I would just
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    | text      = be guessing.
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    | text      = It's a glaring difference though.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It's pretty weird.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Pretty weird.
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    | text      = I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So the 16th is Friday, and Alex is en route to Kansas City.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:35.880
    | text      = He's going to speak at the local radio station, and he's not in studio.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = What's that, a six hour drive?
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    | text      = From Austin?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I have no idea.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And I think it's more.
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    | text      = I think it's probably more.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It's probably more.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It's probably a nine hour drive.
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    | text      = I don't know if he's actually driving, because I think he said he flew back.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I don't care.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Anyway.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = The point is he takes Friday off.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I'm just here to distract you with weird questions.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = He takes Friday off, and then he comes back on Monday, because I don't think he has a
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Sunday show at this point.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So he comes back on Monday, and here we go.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Completely different subject.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = There are now mainstream news articles reporting on what we've been saying for years.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = The evidence of mind control triggers in the Matrix films.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:23.280
    | text      = And here it is.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = We've been saying this for about three years.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And here it is in the mainstream news.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Did you know that Malvo, the supposed sniper who looks like a mind control victim, is out
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = there now saying that that is certainly involved.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Wonder how we knew about this three years ago.
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    | text      = Well, there's just a lot of key indicators, and of course Harris and the others involved
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = there in the Columbine situation were obsessed with the Matrix.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And we'll be discussing it a little bit later.
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    | text      = It could be a coincidence, but somehow I doubt it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Could be a coincidence, but I doubt it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = This is nonsense.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I gotta tell you.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:12.280
    | text      = The first hour of this show is basically just Alex saying over and over again that the new
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:57:16.559
    | text      = Treasury Secretary has been bad-mouthing the dollar.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:19.920
    | text      = And this is leading to it collapsing in relation to the Euro.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:24.199
    | text      = Fine.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And this is the only thing that seemed actually even interesting in about the first hour.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It is a desert.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:57:32.760
    | text      = Wow.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:33.760
    | text      = Wow.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:34.760
    | text      = 19th was a tough walk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It's so great whenever people are like, oh, the Matrix is mind control.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And then you're like, okay, well, 20 years ago the Manchurian Candidate was telling us
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = that the mind control is happening, and then 20 years before that, and you're like, I just
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    | text      = don't care what you think about movies.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I just don't care.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And look, I would say that probably the Matrix has some ideas that are explored, maybe not
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = as eloquently as they could have been, and maybe that confuses some people.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Further, it has an aesthetic that a lot of people adopt, and maybe you could trace those
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    | text      = things to some of these shooters.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I also think that, generally speaking, when you have somebody, like, there are a couple
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = stories that Alex brings up, and it's people who shot somebody and then said they were
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = trying to flee the Matrix in order to get an insanity plea.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:31.360
    | text      = I'm not positive necessarily how these cases shook out, and how much of that was just a
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = defense argument.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:38.960
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:39.960
    | text      = Do you know what I'm saying?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:40.960
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Seems like something that could have been a popular defense.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I'll toss that out.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:46.400
    | text      = What if I either plead guilty, because everybody saw me do it, or I'm going to shoot my shot.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:51.800
    | text      = You know, your shot, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take, though, Dan.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:56.719
    | text      = It's true.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:57.719
    | text      = It's true.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:58.719
    | text      = Gretzky.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:59.719
    | text      = That's what everybody else, that's what they're saying.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:00.719
    | text      = Anyway.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:01.719
    | text      = Gretzky's dad.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:02.719
    | text      = Dad Gretzky?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:03.719
    | text      = So, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:04.719
    | text      = I was excited, at least, to hear about Alex's thoughts about the Matrix.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:11.480
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:12.480
    | text      = He doesn't get into them.
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    | text      = Of course not.
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    | text      = I was walking around-
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    | text      = Wait, this is 2003, so Reloaded hadn't even come out yet, right?
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    | text      = Alex does say, like, I'm going to try and go see the Matrix tonight.
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    | text      = So it is out in theaters, but, yeah, Reloaded didn't just come out.
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    | text      = And actually, I was going back through it, because I was looking over the plots of those
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    | text      = This plot seems foreign to me.
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    | text      = Oh, look, you could watch it again and you'd be like, I don't think this is- and then you
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    | text      = I definitely saw the second one, because I remember The Architect.
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    | text      = Like, I remember that stuff.
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    | text      = Hmm.
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    | text      = I- sure I saw the third one, because I know if I saw the first two, I would want to finish
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    | text      = Oh, the third one, you know, it's Jesus and then you move on.
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    | text      = But I don't- I was reading the plot, I'm like, I don't remember that.
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    | text      = I think I've seen the final fight scene, like, just in a YouTube video or something like
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    | text      = that, but I don't think I've- I saw the plot, I'm like, I don't remember that.
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    | text      = How much do you remember from the plot that you read?
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    | text      = I'm going to see if I can't off the dome the third Matrix, alright?
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    | text      = I remember broad strokes of it.
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    | text      = So you can give it a try.
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    | text      = Alright, here we go.
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    | text      = It opens up, Neo had just passed out, because in the second one he turns out he can use
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    | text      = Right, right, right.
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    | text      = They wake up and he's actually in the Matrix, even though he's not plugged into the Matrix.
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    | text      = Because he's in the sickbay or whatever.
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    | text      = So then, eventually he wakes up and blah blah blah, they meet in the Matrix, they come out,
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    | text      = he and what's-her-face, they both go on Trinity, they both go on a suicide mission into the
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    | text      = They fly up over into the sky and they're like, ah!
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    | text      = In the meantime, at Zion, the final attack is going on and all the fucking, oh no, and
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    | text      = there's all these blah blah blah blah blah, and that goes on for a while.
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    | text      = From what I understand, so far, so good.
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    | text      = Yeah, there's a guy and he's like po cho cho cho cho, and they got these weird mech suits
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    | text      = and then there's some heroic action because it's a war and it's a movie and you gotta
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    | text      = And then Neo and Trinity, they make it through, Neo and the AI are both like, hey man, this
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    | text      = Agent Smith dude is fucking out of control, right?
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    | text      = So the AI plugs the Neo into the AI and they're like, you better solve this fucking problem,
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    | text      = So he winds up being absorbed by Agent Orange Smith after a massive, useless, pointless
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    | text      = I think that's basically it.
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    | text      = I'm out of breath.
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    | text      = The part that when I was reading over the plot, I was like, I don't remember this at
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    | text      = What's that?
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    | text      = Was Neo negotiating with the robots.
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    | text      = Oh, you don't remember?
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    | text      = That's what I'm talking about.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And the robot's face comes out and it's all like, and the robot's mad.
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    | text      = No, I don't remember that.
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    | text      = It was terrible.
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    | text      = I don't remember that at all.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = It was weird.
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    | text      = The robot AI did a lot of roaring, which seems like a weird thing for the AI to be
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    | text      = No, because the AI would know what would intimidate a human.
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    | text      = Yeah, but it seems like, I don't know.
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    | text      = He doesn't even have eyes anymore.
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    | text      = So why would you?
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    | text      = He can see.
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    | text      = I'm excited for the fourth one.
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    | text      = That's all I'm saying.
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    | text      = There's a fourth one?
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    | text      = It's coming.
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    | text      = That's right.
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    | text      = I remember hearing that.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I'm going to watch the third one and see if I've seen it because that seemed like, I can't
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    | text      = believe that was the plot.
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    | text      = Oh, it's bad.
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    | text      = I don't know.
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    | text      = It's real bad.
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    | text      = I don't know if it sounded bad on paper.
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    | text      = Like it sounds bad.
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    | text      = In execution?
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    | text      = It does.
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    | text      = In execution?
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    | text      = It's bad.
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    | text      = I do wonder if the, like, I don't, I don't think, I mean, I'll defend slightly reloaded.
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    | text      = Like I think that's not as bad as maybe some people have said.
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    | text      = I mean, there are some fun things.
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    | text      = The twins were cool.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = They, they turned invisible for a while and then they showed up.
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    | text      = That was fun.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I got to watch that third one.
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    | text      = We should do that as like a live stream.
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    | text      = As a live stream?
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    | text      = Yeah, I'll do that.
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    | text      = I'll watch the Matrix Revelations video.
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    | text      = See if I actually saw it when I was younger.
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    | text      = I'm in.
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    | text      = Anyway, Alex doesn't get into talking about this much, but he does have some other news
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    | text      = that's fresh from the Bureau desk that's in his imagination.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Another saying, forget about ever capturing Saddam.
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    | text      = These are all staged events.
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    | text      = Saddam worked for the CIA starting in 1958.
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    | text      = Looks like they gave him the amnesty deal and, uh, during the campaign, he had requested
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    | text      = it and been refused it and told that if he tried to flee, he would be arrested or assassinated
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    | text      = and looks like in the midst of the war over there, uh, they cut a deal and all resistance
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    | text      = melted away.
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    | text      = So Alex is reporting, uh, basically that, uh, you know, Saddam got an amnesty deal.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Uh huh.
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    | text      = Oh, I don't know who negotiated that one.
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    | text      = I think they left a few people out of the negotiations if he got an amnesty deal.
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    | text      = I think Alex negotiated this with himself.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I think that might've been the case.
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    | text      = So here on the 19th, we've got another familiar theme.
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    | text      = Vladimir Putin was caught in 99 attacking his own soft targets.
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    | text      = That is apartment buildings.
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    | text      = Rebuildings were blown up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = They said the Chechny and the Chechny and screamed, why would we do that and bring on
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    | text      = an attack?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:48.280
    | text      = No, the Russian government's doing it.
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    | text      = And then Moscow police, not knowing what the other hand was doing, the left hand, not knowing
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    | text      = what the right hand was doing, caught members of the FSB, the modern KGB that Putin was
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    | timestamp = 01:05:00.599
    | text      = heading up for Boris Yeltsin, caught them in the building, planting hexagon explosives.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:07.519
    | text      = They got the explosives, arrested them, and then they were raided by, the police station
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:11.840
    | text      = was raided in Moscow by paramilitary forces from the KGB slash FSB GRU.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:20.760
    | text      = So here's the thing.
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    | text      = When Alex talks about these ideas that he has about Putin, he is not talking about just
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    | timestamp = 01:05:27.039
    | text      = like, I have a vague sense that that guy's bad.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:29.119
    | text      = No, no, no, no.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:30.119
    | text      = He's talking about things that are concrete events that he knows to be true.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:35.239
    | text      = Now, for him to change his position on this, he needs to show his work.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:40.440
    | text      = He needs to explain why is that no longer true?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:43.880
    | text      = Right, right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:44.880
    | text      = Were you wrong here or did these events, do you have a new explanation for all of this?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:50.280
    | text      = Sure, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:51.280
    | text      = And he doesn't ever do that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:52.280
    | text      = He just sort of switches.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And it's nuts to me to go back and listen to this and see just how consistently it is
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:59.139
    | text      = just like, fucking Putin, he's false flagging around.
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    | timestamp = 01:06:02.800
    | text      = Yeah, it would be ironic if what seems to be one of the main pillars of his everything
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    | text      = is a false flag thing, because these are documented events where you're like, yeah, Putin did
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:06:17.119
    | text      = that shit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:06:18.820
    | text      = So his main evidence that you can follow up on is now not at all mentioned and wiped away,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:06:27.360
    | text      = despite the fact that he still claims that everything is a false flag.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:06:31.699
    | text      = Just not that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:06:32.699
    | text      = That's strange.
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    | text      = It would be ironic if you weren't aware that he's just a psycho, that none of this matters,
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    | text      = and he's going to use whatever he feels like using however he feels like using it.
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    | text      = So it's completely within his character.
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    | text      = And this also seems a bit more like what you would expect from somebody who's like this
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    | text      = anti-communist crusader type, you know, like Russia and China are evil, as opposed to like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ah, China's evil, but Russia's actually really cool.
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    | text      = Yeah, Russia's pretty sweet.
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    | text      = Yeah, I don't know, it's, I want to learn more about this.
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    | text      = I like how they keep those women from talking in churches, it makes me feel good.
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    | text      = I want to learn more about this, but I don't really know much more than Alex will not stop
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    | text      = talking about Putin blowing up the apartment buildings in 2003.
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    | text      = There's not really a lot more, like sort of detail to it, but I'm keeping my eyes open
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    | text      = and I'll let you know if anything comes up.
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    | text      = In a very short, has he already been on RT a bunch, or is this, is like in a very short
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    | text      = period of time he will go on RT a bunch?
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    | text      = I'm not sure when he started appearing on that, I know he does after this.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = So I would imagine after.
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    | text      = I doubt he hasn't been on yet.
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    | text      = I doubt they're like, eh, let's see what Alex has to say today.
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    | text      = I would guess not.
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    | timestamp = 01:07:45.119
    | text      = So Alex is another guest at this point, it's Dennis Cuddy, he's another conspiracy New
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    | text      = World Order guy.
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    | text      = I love his kids' music.
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    | text      = Basically, Kid Cuddy?
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    | text      = I like his wife, Dr. Cuddy, from House of Beads.
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    | text      = There we go.
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    | timestamp = 01:08:01.960
    | text      = There we go.
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    | timestamp = 01:08:02.960
    | text      = Now you're playing the game.
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    | text      = So he's on for like the rest of the show and it's just rambling about basic ass New World
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    | timestamp = 01:08:09.039
    | text      = Order conspiracy talking points.
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    | timestamp = 01:08:11.260
    | text      = It's a lot of the same stuff we covered in the Endgame documentary and it bored the hell
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    | text      = out of me.
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    | text      = That said, it's a far cry from the content that Alex produces these days.
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    | text      = This is at very least a show that's striving to be about an alleged conspiracy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:08:24.600
    | text      = It goes off track pretty regularly, it provides horrible information, and it ignores stories
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    | text      = in favor of headlines, but huge chunks of time are devoted to talking about a vague
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = unsourced accusation about like the Bilderberg Group and Bohemian Grove.
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    | timestamp = 01:08:38.140
    | text      = So we're not going to talk too much about this interview, but there is one very important
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    | text      = moment.
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    | text      = Mic down for this.
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    | text      = They used facilitators through various Delphi techniques to do this, and Edward Bernays,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = who was hired by William Paley in 1928 as his chief advisor with CBS, wrote a book called
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    | text      = Propaganda.
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    | text      = And in that book he said, we're like an invisible government, we know how to manipulate you,
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    | text      = and at the end he says, sort of like Ross Perot, he says, we need a businessman politician
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    | timestamp = 01:09:08.119
    | text      = type to say, I must lead the people, am I not their servant?
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    | timestamp = 01:09:12.680
    | text      = Here's what you say you want, and it's really facilitated.
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    | timestamp = 01:09:19.039
    | text      = Please continue.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:09:20.039
    | text      = Alex is eating.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:09:21.039
    | text      = Alex is eating!
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I'd not heard that in 2003.
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    | timestamp = 01:09:26.399
    | text      = Please continue.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So Alex is clearly eating there, but also that also is funny.
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    | timestamp = 01:09:31.039
    | text      = Love your stuff, keep growing, keep growing.
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    | text      = Also the content of that is pretty funny.
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    | timestamp = 01:09:36.239
    | text      = Yeah, that he's, it's kind of funny that I already brought up advertising and psychology
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    | timestamp = 01:09:41.119
    | text      = and then 20 minutes later he's like, Edward Bernays!
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    | timestamp = 01:09:44.960
    | text      = And also the businessman leader.
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    | timestamp = 01:09:48.039
    | text      = Yeah, that one is hard to look away from.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:09:51.680
    | text      = Alex should listen to some of his old episodes, I think he would be horrified.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:09:55.399
    | text      = So a caller calls in, he and Cuddy take calls, and one of the things that I noticed actually
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = when I was listening to this is like, Cuddy is old school, like with his New World Order
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    | text      = stuff.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:10:08.079
    | text      = He has the, all the talking points that you'd expect to hear on old time New World Order
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    | timestamp = 01:10:13.119
    | text      = conspiracy shows, and I was like, this guy, I bet he knows Bill Cooper.
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    | timestamp = 01:10:18.560
    | text      = And so I was looking through the Hour of the Time archives, and he's been on, like back
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    | timestamp = 01:10:22.359
    | text      = in 96 he was on Hour of the Time, like yep, that checks out.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:10:26.039
    | text      = Wow.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:10:27.039
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:10:28.039
    | text      = I wonder what he does for a day job.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I think he writes books, probably goes on speaking things, I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:10:33.119
    | text      = How do you get that scam?
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    | timestamp = 01:10:34.680
    | text      = Anyway, there's a caller who calls in, and Alex has reported that Saddam Hussein has
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:10:40.399
    | text      = got a plea deal.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:10:41.399
    | text      = Sure.
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    | timestamp = 01:10:42.399
    | text      = And this caller says that one of our old friends, Joel Skousen, is reporting on something a
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    | text      = little bit different.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:10:50.880
    | text      = Skoulnik is reported by Joel Skousen as saying that Saddam Hussein has been moved and is
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    | timestamp = 01:10:57.600
    | text      = located now in the side of the United States.
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    | timestamp = 01:11:01.079
    | text      = Well, the evidence from the evidence, John, the evidence shows that he was probably taken
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    | timestamp = 01:11:09.279
    | text      = down to Russia.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:10.279
    | text      = They probably gave him the amnesty deal in the middle of the fight, they can still try
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:11:13.800
    | text      = a double though, so look out.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:11:15.960
    | text      = So this is the first reference I've had to someone bringing up Skousen, which is interesting,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:11:21.399
    | text      = that it's taken, you know, we're 19 days into the month of, you know, where we begin in
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:11:26.619
    | text      = 2003, and you know, such a familiar face in other periods of time, and this is the first
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    | text      = reference to him.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And he thinks that Saddam's in the United States, Alex says nah nah nah nah nah, Russia.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:39.079
    | text      = So they're both wrong.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:11:40.479
    | text      = Oh man, these guys, these guys, and also that ending of just leaving it open for, now there
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = could also be a double cross, you never know, anything could be true.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:50.520
    | text      = Right now the evidence of which I have none is all pointing towards this place that I
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:54.899
    | text      = just made up, so there we go.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:11:57.520
    | text      = So you have, you have Cuddy, who's been on in the month of May 2003 already, and you
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    | timestamp = 01:12:03.680
    | text      = also had Colonel Craig Roberts, who was on, who's been on before, so you have some familiar
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:08.920
    | text      = faces starting to, like, appear to be there, but none of the familiar faces that we know.
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    | timestamp = 01:12:15.579
    | text      = You know, I haven't seen any mention of Steve Pechenik, I haven't heard anything about Joel
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    | timestamp = 01:12:20.199
    | text      = Skousen, well I guess we just got some Skousen, but Paul Craig Roberts, you know, couple of
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:12:25.760
    | text      = other folks who were like, Webster Tarpley, these kinds, Jerome Corsi, these folks are
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:12:31.939
    | text      = not figures in Alex's world at this point, or at least have not made themselves known.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:38.600
    | text      = There's another person who also has not made himself known yet, and I found it very confusing
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = that this is the first mention I've seen of him.
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    | timestamp = 01:12:46.720
    | text      = Yes, very good show today, my question's a little bit off topic, but I was wondering
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    | timestamp = 01:12:50.800
    | text      = if either one of you happen to know what might have happened to Bob Chapman, the gold expert?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:12:55.119
    | text      = No, I don't.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:56.439
    | text      = No, I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:12:57.960
    | text      = What?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:58.960
    | text      = We've had Bob on as a guest, but he's still writing his newsletters, basically he's been
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    | timestamp = 01:13:02.560
    | text      = criticizing the bankers and they're a little bit angry with him, but go ahead.
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    | text      = Okay, that was basically my question.
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    | text      = So I find it very curious that Alex takes this tone when this caller brings up Bob
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:13:12.539
    | text      = Chapman.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:13.539
    | text      = For those who haven't heard the episodes covering other periods of time, Bob Chapman is one
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:13:17.119
    | text      = of Alex's most regular guests for a stretch of years leading up to his death in 2012.
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    | text      = He's an alleged precious metals expert who Alex used as a scene partner when doing extended
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:13:26.319
    | text      = commercials for Midas Resources, the gold sales company that syndicated Alex's show.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:13:31.039
    | text      = Also, Bob claims to have been invited to a screening of a film of Ronald Reagan getting
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    | text      = pegged.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:36.159
    | text      = True.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:37.159
    | text      = For years, Bob was on Alex's show every Friday.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:39.520
    | text      = Outside of people who host the fourth hour, it's tough for me to think of anyone else
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:42.640
    | text      = who had what amounts to basically a standing engagement on Alex's schedule.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:46.920
    | text      = To hear Alex saying he doesn't know what's up with him and sounding like he doesn't want
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:50.119
    | text      = to talk about it in 2003 is really weird.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:53.819
    | text      = Things get even weirder when you consult issues of his newsletter, The International Forecaster,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:58.640
    | text      = from back in 2003.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:00.479
    | text      = They're not all available online, but there are two that I could find from 2003, January
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:14:06.399
    | text      = 2003, and even back then, Bob clearly had a working relationship with Midas Resources.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:14:12.000
    | text      = Quote, special offer, you may also order it, and it's in reference to the book The Beast
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:16.680
    | text      = from Jekyll Island, by calling Midas Resources Incorporated.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:21.079
    | text      = Midas Resources will give you a silver dollar from the early 1900s, a $12 value, just for
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:25.640
    | text      = purchasing the book at its normal price of $19.95.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:29.920
    | text      = It seems clear to me that this business relationship with Midas is intact at this point, even prior
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:35.680
    | text      = to this episode that we're listening to now, so whatever weird energy Alex is giving off,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:14:40.000
    | text      = it seems like it's probably personal.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:42.359
    | text      = I read over Bob's newsletters to see if I could find any reasons that Alex might not
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:14:46.079
    | text      = want to associate with him at this point.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:48.220
    | text      = I'm not sure if I see anything.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = In one of his January issues, he predicts an imminent return of the gold standard in
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:53.600
    | text      = the United States because of the war in the Middle East.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:56.399
    | text      = What a surprise that he would want or predict that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:59.600
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:00.600
    | text      = The war is going to put pressure on economies, you know, that's fairly standard kind of stuff,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:04.840
    | text      = you know, you could see Alex not disagreeing with that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = He does say, quote, the Muslims believe they can destroy capitalism by forcing gold to
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:12.039
    | text      = the forefront, and we agree that this could and probably will be successful.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:16.520
    | text      = Which is a little weird, but it does not seem like it's outside of Alex's wheelhouse.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:19.520
    | text      = It doesn't seem like you'd burn a bridge over that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:21.560
    | text      = What a wild thing to think slash even wilder to say.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:25.760
    | text      = Uh-huh.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:26.760
    | text      = Some of the next issues that I could find were from July 2003, and honestly, it just
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:30.600
    | text      = kind of sounds like a transcript of something Alex might say at some point in his life.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:35.199
    | text      = Quote, all we can say is buy gold and silver coins and shares as fast as possible.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:40.159
    | text      = The ship is sinking and there's no sense in drowning with the rest of the idiots.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:15:44.079
    | text      = Incidentally, exercise your constitutional rights and legally arm yourself and your families
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    | text      = to the teeth.
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    | text      = Whoa.
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    | text      = This isn't going to be nice.
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    | text      = Jesus Christ, I just want to buy some gold, man.
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    | text      = The only thing I can find in there that I could see Alex being pissed off about is that
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    | text      = Bob advises his readers to buy gold and silver, but if they have to invest in currency that
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    | text      = they are going to hide, they should favor the euro or Swiss franc to the US dollar.
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    | text      = I could see Alex thinking this was bad-mouthing the dollar like the treasury secretary was.
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    | text      = Yeah, that would make sense.
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    | text      = I don't know, but that's the only thing that stuck out to me as like, eh, Alex would not
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    | text      = You should always favor the dollar if you're going to favor currencies, especially not
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    | text      = the fucking euro.
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    | text      = It does seem that when they say, like, what happened to Bob, what they're suggesting is
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    | text      = like Bob went off the rails somewhere and saying that the dollar isn't the single greatest
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    | text      = thing in the world is probably, that's probably enough.
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    | text      = All fiat currencies are evil, but if there must be one, you have to protect the world
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    | text      = reserve currency status of the dollar.
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    | text      = Right, right, right, right.
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    | text      = I don't know.
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    | text      = I could see that being, and I did also get that sense that like something had happened.
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    | text      = There was some problem.
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    | text      = I can't get any sense of like what that's in reference to, but it could be that.
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    | text      = Yeah, because Bob can't get out of pocket, you know, like Bob is expendable.
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    | text      = Maybe.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Maybe not.
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    | text      = He saw a video of Reagan.
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    | text      = That's fair.
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    | text      = Incidentally, Bob Chapman's newsletter is definitely, without a doubt, written by Bob
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    | text      = Chapman.
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    | text      = You know, there's a lot of these folks who have these newsletters that are like, I don't
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    | text      = know, someone just writes it, my name's on it, like Ron Paul.
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    | text      = Bob cannot claim that.
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    | text      = He calls people who don't take his financial advice idiots, and he's basically just fucking
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    | text      = with his readers, quote, don't forget, as interest rates go back up to say 7 or 8 percent,
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    | text      = you will lose money on the value of bonds unless you buy at par and hold to maturity.
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    | text      = Most of you may be dead by then.
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    | text      = We don't have all the answers, but this is the way we see it.
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    | text      = We've been making these kinds of decisions for 43 years, so we guess this qualifies us
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    | text      = to voice our opinion.
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    | text      = It's outrageous stuff.
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    | text      = Considering this is like, it's supposed to be a financial advice newsletter, not a, you're
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    | text      = all gonna die.
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    | text      = Put a hundred dollars in gold and die, idiot.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Whatever, it's life or death.
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    | text      = Bury some Swiss francs and get a gun.
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    | text      = Yeah, what are you doing?
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    | text      = Why is this good financial advice?
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    | text      = Yeah, I have no idea what happened to the two of them, but it's an open question that
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    | text      = I'm excited to learn more about as we proceed.
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    | text      = But we see him later on.
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    | text      = Yeah, I know.
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    | text      = We see him in 2009 at least, you know?
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    | text      = No, definitely.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So I know that there is some sort of a coming back together, and I'm gonna guarantee that
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    | text      = at no point do they discuss what their differences were on there and hash it out.
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    | text      = No, absolutely not.
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    | text      = No, no, no, no.
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    | text      = But I wonder if I'll be able to learn more, like if another caller calls in and brings
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    | text      = up specifics or something, I'm gonna keep my eye open on this one.
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    | text      = So one of the other things that I'm tracking very closely, trying to understand, is whether
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    | text      = or not Alex Jones believes he's fighting the literal devil in 2003.
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    | text      = True.
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    | text      = We know in the present day he believes that the devil is the head of the globalist conspiracy.
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    | text      = That he's speaking to him extra-dimensionally or being possessed by demons.
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    | text      = True.
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    | text      = I'm not entirely sure if that is the case in 2003.
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    | text      = So every time there's some kind of an indication of something, I like to bring it to the forefront.
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    | text      = And I don't know if this says anything about Alex, but Cuddy definitely believes in literal
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    | text      = biblical prophecy.
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    | text      = Hey, alright!
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    | text      = New York is defined in the federal regulations as the United Nations.
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    | text      = And when Rudolph Giuliani stated on C-PAN that we're the capital of the world, yeah,
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    | text      = New York City was the capital of the world, end quote, he was correct.
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    | text      = And that is found at CFR chapter 111.
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    | text      = Dr. Cuddy, any comments to what he's saying?
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    | text      = Well, even taking that one step further, in terms of just biblical end times, you know
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    | text      = Revelation 18 and what happens there, and it has to be a port city, and everybody says
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    | text      = New York, and everybody says, well, that was the World Trade Center.
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    | text      = I don't think so, because when you get around verse 22, remember it says, and a candle would
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    | text      = be seen no more, and that would be symbolic of the Statue of Liberty.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = So something may be coming up.
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    | text      = Thank you very much.
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    | text      = Amazing information.
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    | text      = So Alex doesn't necessarily jump in with him in the, let's decode, end times.
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    | text      = Revelation, yeah.
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    | text      = But he's also like, oh, that's amazing information, that, you know, like, he's encouraging of
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    | text      = it in the guest, but he's not engaging in it himself.
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    | text      = I find that interesting.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = It does seem like he's, I mean, from what we've seen, he's allowed other people.
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    | text      = He's platforming a hell of a lot of it.
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    | text      = He's platformed a lot of biblical talk, but he's always been reticent to jump in on his
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    | timestamp = 01:20:32.899
    | text      = own and really give people a full throated, hell yeah, Revelations 18 is how we're going
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    | text      = to get through this, you know.
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    | text      = He does seem to be walking that line a little bit.
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    | text      = So Cuddy takes off after a very long interview, and Alex gets down to business.
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    | text      = I'm going to go see the film Matrix.
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    | text      = It's got its new age message, the paper here in Austin, and the entertainment pages said
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    | timestamp = 01:21:01.539
    | text      = it's a new religion in America.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:03.180
    | text      = Well, it's not new, it's Hindu or slash Buddhism or whatever, but.
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    | text      = So you haven't seen the movie yet, oh my god, but it's Hindu slash Buddhism or whatever.
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    | timestamp = 01:21:13.460
    | text      = But also, maybe, it's designed to make people kill.
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    | timestamp = 01:21:17.899
    | text      = I've got a London Guardian story about it, Times of London article, US killers blame
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    | timestamp = 01:21:22.819
    | text      = Matrix after random shootings, Matrix firms, films blamed for series of murders by obsessed
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    | timestamp = 01:21:28.739
    | text      = fans.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:32.720
    | text      = There are films that use triggers to go out there, but the government doesn't even have
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:21:37.779
    | text      = to brainwash you now in person.
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    | timestamp = 01:21:40.779
    | text      = Certain susceptible minds who are programming through the culture with your big TV heads
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    | text      = can be activated.
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    | timestamp = 01:21:46.739
    | text      = I'm not saying the Matrix does that.
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    | timestamp = 01:21:48.739
    | text      = We know they have these technologies.
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    | timestamp = 01:21:50.199
    | text      = We know there's key indicators in it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:52.340
    | text      = We know that some of the things that Chief Moose said, you know, the duck is in the noose
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    | timestamp = 01:21:56.779
    | text      = or whatever is a known trigger, and then Malvo and the other guys show up, the Hamid show
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    | timestamp = 01:22:03.140
    | text      = up.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:04.140
    | text      = It goes on and on, but I don't like to speculate, but I'll tell you what I've seen if I get
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    | timestamp = 01:22:08.779
    | text      = a chance to see it tonight.
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    | timestamp = 01:22:10.500
    | text      = I don't like to speculate.
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    | timestamp = 01:22:11.500
    | text      = Slap!
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:12.500
    | text      = Slap!
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:13.500
    | text      = All I'm doing is-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:14.500
    | text      = Slap, sir!
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    | timestamp = 01:22:15.500
    | text      = I speculate wildly, but man, I don't like it.
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    | timestamp = 01:22:17.939
    | text      = I pull out my white glove.
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    | text      = Don't be like me saying, I don't like to check into things Alex says, but I seem to do it
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    | timestamp = 01:22:27.140
    | text      = a lot.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:28.140
    | text      = Frankly, I'm honestly a very quiet person.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:30.619
    | text      = I think people have recognized that for a long time.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:22:33.060
    | text      = I don't like to be loud.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:34.060
    | text      = It's your natural tendencies.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:35.060
    | text      = I don't like to be loud.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:22:36.060
    | text      = So, on this 19th, this May 19th episode, we have one last clip, and this is literally
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    | text      = the only mention of the Ba'ath Party that I heard at all, and I should say that we are
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    | timestamp = 01:22:48.119
    | text      = now past the point where the policy of de-Ba'athification has been openly announced, and there are people
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    | text      = who are coming out and speaking about getting rid of all party members within government
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    | text      = and such, and here's Alex's take on that.
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    | timestamp = 01:23:05.020
    | text      = When there's more tyranny than ever, they're putting the Ba'ath Party back into control
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:23:08.500
    | text      = while giving speeches that they aren't.
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    | timestamp = 01:23:10.500
    | text      = Ooh, nice.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = It's an incredible line.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:12.500
    | text      = Well done.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:13.500
    | text      = So there we go.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:14.500
    | text      = Way to sidestep that one.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:15.500
    | text      = Just walk outside.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:18.260
    | text      = Oh, that train is coming to hit me.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:20.420
    | text      = Excuse me.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:21.420
    | text      = Step aside.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:22.420
    | text      = Don't care.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:23.420
    | text      = Whee!
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:24.420
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:25.420
    | text      = Jesus.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:26.420
    | text      = This isn't going to work for long.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:29.779
    | text      = I guess it's fine now on the 19th.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:33.180
    | text      = Yeah, for like a day.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:35.100
    | text      = It buys you some time, but this is not going to be the way that...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:41.859
    | text      = This isn't going to pass the smell test for very long.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:45.260
    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:46.260
    | text      = No.
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    | timestamp = 01:23:47.260
    | text      = I think we'll probably get...
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    | text      = As thousands of people are removed from their posts, it's going to be tougher to be like,
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    | text      = ah, they're still in there.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I think we're going to get more in-depth into this stuff in the coming days of 2003, because
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    | text      = I think that Alex is going to have to try and wiggle a bit, and I'm interested to see
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    | text      = how that plays out.
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    | text      = There's actually a couple of really compelling threads that I'm starting to see in 2003 that
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    | text      = I really want to learn more about.
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    | text      = One is the anti-Putin stuff.
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    | text      = Two is the de-bathification.
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    | text      = Three is Alex and Bob Chapman.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Well, I mean, and you can just expand that out too, like side characters.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = What's our legion of doom here?
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    | text      = Well, it's like, I don't know, you're playing a sequel to a video game or a prequel, and
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    | text      = the main character's the same, but maybe they're in a different place, and so you have a different
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    | text      = NPC character.
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    | text      = Sure, sure.
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    | text      = And different side characters.
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    | text      = It's like the cube.
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    | text      = Yeah, and I'm wondering where the old friends are and who these new people are, and so,
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    | text      = you know, I enjoy, I'm enjoying this a bit more, and I want to continue it, and I want
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    | text      = Do you mean you're enjoying learning and discovering new things like you always have, and now that
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    | text      = you're in the present where we are rarely learning anything and often discovering the
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    | text      = same things daily, this is new and exciting for you?
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    | text      = Yeah, kind of.
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    | text      = Oh, that sounds right.
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    | text      = There's at least interesting context and things to discuss, whereas I think in the present
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    | text      = day most episodes that I do end up could just be like, he didn't read this, he doesn't know.
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    | timestamp = 01:25:25.939
    | text      = Dumb, dumb.
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    | text      = So we get to the 20th, and Alex, I was hoping, had seen The Matrix, because you know I love
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    | text      = a movie review.
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    | text      = He said he was going to see it on the 19th.
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    | text      = He did not go see The Matrix.
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    | text      = What?
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    | text      = What, did he get busy?
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    | text      = Yeah, probably.
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    | text      = So, but he's going to talk about it a little more.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Also, Matrix Maker rejects crime links.
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    | text      = We're not saying crime links, and I'm not saying crime links.
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    | text      = Some have said mind control trigger links.
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    | text      = Duh!
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    | text      = Bunch of idiots.
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    | text      = This is Alex correcting the record.
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    | text      = Call him David Brock, because he is correcting the fucking record.
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    | text      = I'm not going to let people slander me in public.
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    | text      = Right, crime links, pshaw.
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    | text      = How silly, how silly for someone to think that The Matrix has crime links.
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    | text      = I would never.
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    | text      = They control minds.
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    | text      = Duh.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = There's a mind control trigger link.
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    | text      = Duh.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Jesus.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:26:18.579
    | text      = Now the trigger makes you commit crime.
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    | text      = These plebes, I'm telling you, stay out of my business.
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    | text      = Anyway, Alex has a guest on.
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    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:26:25.819
    | text      = And this is a wild guest for Alex to have on for a number of reasons.
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    | text      = This could never have happened in any other period of time.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = And it doesn't go super well, but this guy named Noah Schackman, who has an article in
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:26:38.619
    | text      = Wired that had just come out about a DARPA program, we'll talk about it a little bit
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    | text      = more, but Alex distorts some of the ideas around surveillance and such in order to introduce
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    | text      = Noah.
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    | text      = It's a new level of corruption, we're all prisoners, the kids are thumb scanning to
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    | text      = get school lunches in thousands of school districts, the thumb scanners are going in
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    | text      = the banks, going in the grocery stores, going in everywhere.
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    | text      = It's total.
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    | text      = It's 180 degrees from what America's supposed to be, and they say it's to stop terror while
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    | timestamp = 01:27:10.380
    | text      = the borders are wide open and while the feds are starting to accept in 800 plus cities
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    | text      = the fake IDs of illegals from Poland to Mexico.
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    | timestamp = 01:27:18.779
    | text      = And Noah Schackman is on the air with us.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Noah, thanks for coming on the show today, sir.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Thanks for having me.
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    | text      = This is, there's no way to really understate this.
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    | text      = This is, or overstate this, I should say, this is, this is scary.
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    | text      = I'm going to guess that if you were to find Noah Schackman today and ask what he thinks
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    | text      = about having been a guest on Alex's show, you might not get an answer, because at this
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    | text      = point in 2003, Schackman worked at Wired, but now in 2021, he's currently the editor
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    | timestamp = 01:27:51.060
    | text      = in chief of the Daily Beast, an outlet that Alex screams about quite often for their very
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    | text      = cruel coverage of the stupid things he says and does.
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    | text      = Wow!
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = That is a career path.
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    | text      = That is a career path.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = He's on the show because he wrote an article in Wired about early possible plans from DARPA
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    | text      = to create a project called LifeLog, which would seek to compile all available data on
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    | timestamp = 01:28:12.720
    | text      = individuals to be able to tell the story of their lives.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:28:16.300
    | text      = It was outrageously fucked up as an idea, and it did not end up coming to pass for a
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    | text      = number of reasons.
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    | timestamp = 01:28:21.939
    | text      = One was probably public backlash, but another was probably the unfeasibility of creating
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    | timestamp = 01:28:26.359
    | text      = a system that would be able to do this in any meaningful, usable way.
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    | timestamp = 01:28:29.739
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:28:30.739
    | text      = Now the NSA just grabs our metadata.
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    | timestamp = 01:28:32.899
    | text      = Duh.
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    | text      = This is beyond that, though, with the conception of what this LifeLog thing would be.
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    | text      = The primary sourcing on the program was a solicitation from DARPA for people to make
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    | timestamp = 01:28:42.960
    | text      = proposals on how to create this program that they had the name for and an idea of what
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    | timestamp = 01:28:47.659
    | text      = they wanted it to do, but not much else.
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    | timestamp = 01:28:50.380
    | text      = This is to say that there wasn't a program they were testing, they were requesting people
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    | timestamp = 01:28:53.899
    | text      = to put in bids to create a program to do some pretty overly ambitious and overly fucked
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    | text      = up things.
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    | text      = America, the Pentagon deserves your money.
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    | text      = As I understand it from the way Noah describes it, the way they were hoping to start some
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    | text      = of this research was to have researchers themselves do mock trips, places, and see if this program
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    | timestamp = 01:29:15.140
    | text      = that they had created could log their physical movements, their transactions, and stuff like
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    | text      = that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:29:22.100
    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = And it did not work out.
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    | text      = Yeah, no, and also that's astonishingly fucked up.
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    | timestamp = 01:29:27.260
    | text      = Yeah, no kidding.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:29:28.260
    | text      = Wow.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I can understand how someone might look at, like, boy, that would be really helpful in
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = criminal investigations, and I don't disagree, probably would be.
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    | timestamp = 01:29:38.619
    | text      = Sure, sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:29:39.619
    | text      = No, it would make it very easy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:29:40.739
    | text      = The fact of it existing has a lot of other ramifications that I don't think.
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    | timestamp = 01:29:45.899
    | text      = There would be some problems.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:29:46.899
    | text      = I think that they would outweigh it on the seesaw.
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    | text      = I would say that if you're looking at that program as a positive, you are wearing rose-tinted
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    | timestamp = 01:29:54.239
    | text      = glasses at the very least.
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    | timestamp = 01:29:56.180
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:29:57.180
    | text      = The point is, government surveillance is a real issue that is taken seriously by serious
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    | timestamp = 01:30:01.140
    | text      = people, and it appears that Noah is one of them.
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    | text      = I suspect that he accepted this booking because in 2003, no one really knew how not serious
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:30:08.460
    | text      = Alex is, and how Alex will take any opportunity to use Noah's credibility to advance nonsense
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    | timestamp = 01:30:13.380
    | text      = exaggerations of his underlying reporting.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:30:16.939
    | text      = And that's all that's going on here.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:30:18.819
    | text      = And I think Noah's polite.
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    | text      = I will say that.
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    | timestamp = 01:30:21.939
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:30:22.939
    | text      = And I think Alex is trying to red pill him.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = That sounds right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = The National Association of Banks up in Minnesota, they're doing it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:30:28.779
    | text      = Now even if you have an account, they're going to want you to thumb scan.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:30:31.779
    | text      = Yeah, you know, like I said, I don't know about that particular program, but I know
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    | text      = that there's definitely an overall effort to make that happen.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:30:37.979
    | text      = Well, that makes the cash digital, and basically a part of a digital system.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:30:43.979
    | text      = You know, there's already RFID tags in the money.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:30:46.420
    | text      = I know, I wasn't worried about that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:30:49.220
    | text      = Yeah, radio frequency identifiers have been in for six years, and the Federal Reserve
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:30:52.560
    | text      = says if you don't keep your money in the bank, they're going to devalue it off those tags.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:30:56.420
    | text      = So what I'm telling you is this is maybe a lot further along than you knew, sir.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:31:00.020
    | text      = Yeah, you know, it could be.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:02.539
    | text      = So there's just like...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:04.319
    | text      = That's more polite than I would have been when he's like, you know, there's already
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    | text      = RFID in the money.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:08.260
    | text      = I'd have been like, fuck you.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:09.899
    | text      = And they're going to devalue it?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:11.699
    | text      = Fuck you.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:12.699
    | text      = How does that work?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:13.699
    | text      = If you don't put it in the bank.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:15.140
    | text      = How?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:16.140
    | text      = Wait, but how would that work?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:17.140
    | text      = So this hundred dollar bill that I have...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:18.699
    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:19.699
    | text      = The RFID chip is going to take a zero off of it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:21.819
    | text      = Wait, wait, so I try and use it, and it's only worth like $97 because I've had it for
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:26.539
    | text      = too long?
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    | text      = You've had it for too long.
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    | text      = There's also a little ticking timer on it.
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    | text      = How does this work?
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    | text      = You're just renting money by the hour.
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    | text      = Is it possible that what the system would be is that if too many people have too many
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    | text      = hundred dollar bills out, then all hundred dollar bills will be devalued?
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    | text      = Oh, almost some sort of inflation.
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    | text      = Like if there's too much of something, it's like it goes and then it dilutes the overall
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    | text      = I don't know how the RFID chips would be necessary for that.
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    | text      = It seems like they would be extraneous.
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    | text      = Anyway, he's very polite, and Alex starts talking about the finger scanning at the grocery
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    | text      = store that you're going to need to do, and it's like, you know, it's the extension of
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    | text      = self-checkout lanes, and of course, as Alex always does when he talks about this, he's
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    | text      = like, then I'm going to have to bag my own groceries.
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    | text      = Now that's not really a problem, but it seems like he's not happy about it.
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    | text      = This leads to a little bit of a disagreement.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = I mean, the Biometric Consortium and the grocery stores say they want to pull all the check
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    | text      = out lanes out and make you self-serve and thumb scan, and I mean, I don't want to bag
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    | text      = my own groceries.
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    | text      = That's a more low level threat here, and they're going to put in thumb scan and check out lanes
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    | text      = and then pull out the other ones and make you do it.
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    | text      = That's the plan.
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    | text      = We're only a few years away from this.
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    | text      = Well, I think on this point, I'll agree to disagree with you here.
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    | text      = I don't see this as necessarily a job killer, but I do see it as a really invasive intrusion
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    | text      = Well, what I'm saying is, sir, they pull out three checkout lanes of 10, put in biometric
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    | text      = ones, self-checkout, then they pull out all the rest of the lanes and make you check your
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    | text      = own stuff out.
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    | text      = They're saying they're going to do this.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Well, I haven't seen that, but even assuming that's true, the biometric part is a little
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    | text      = is nerve wracking to me, but bagging my own groceries doesn't bug me that much.
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    | text      = Jesus.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = That's so funny.
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    | text      = That's so funny.
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    | text      = He's coming here to talk about the plan that DARPA has to try and log every aspect of a
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    | text      = human life and then expand that to every human on the planet.
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    | text      = And Alex comes back with, I'm going to have to bag my own groceries, man.
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    | text      = I'm not positive, actually, even from reading that-
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    | text      = Wired article.
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    | text      = No, the solicitation for bids.
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    | text      = Oh, sure.
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    | text      = I'm not even positive necessarily that the plan was ever to make it for everyone.
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    | text      = Sure, sure.
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    | text      = Because I think that that even, I don't even think that they would think that was possible.
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    | text      = No, of course not.
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    | text      = I think it was something that could be abused.
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    | text      = Yeah, wow.
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    | text      = Were it to exist?
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = The article that Noah wrote, Noah Shachman wrote in Wired, is a discussion of this, a
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    | text      = discussion of the moral implications, people even within the sort of technological community
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    | text      = being worried about this.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = Problem.
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    | text      = And it's an actual article.
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    | text      = And then he goes on Alex's show ostensibly to talk about it.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = And this is what ends up happening.
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    | text      = Hey, I'm going to have to bag my own groceries.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I'm a serious person.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I have to put my thumb on the groceries.
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    | text      = I gotta go.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:34:55.899
    | text      = And then it's going to unlock them, and that's how you have to get groceries now, and I have
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    | text      = to put them in my own bags.
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    | text      = Another thing that is a concern of both serious people and Alex is drones.
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    | text      = And there is also relevant conversations around that that don't involve Infowars stuff.
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    | text      = And Noah brings up drones.
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    | text      = Are the drones going to bring my groceries to me?
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    | text      = That's not the context of this.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = But this is how the interview ends.
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    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = There's some really creepy uses for drones domestically.
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    | text      = Well, it's like They Live where the little drone flies up.
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    | text      = It even looks the same.
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    | text      = I'm sorry.
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    | text      = What'd you say?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You ever seen They Live?
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    | text      = Uh, They Live.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = That's what the, uh, the, uh, rowdy, uh, Roddy Piper movie.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = That's the John Carpenter film.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = That's great.
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    | text      = The drones even look the same.
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    | text      = Is that right?
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    | text      = I haven't seen that movie in a long time.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = We got one that can see.
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    | text      = Maybe you can see, uh, Noah.
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    | text      = Thanks for joining us.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Thanks much.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I just, I just want more.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I want more of that on my regular news.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I want more of like at the end of a very serious interview with a fucking general or some bullshit
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    | timestamp = 01:36:05.739
    | text      = that I'm just being like, Hey, you know, real quick, have you seen They Live recently?
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    | text      = That's kind of a pretty good movie.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I think it's a lot of fun and I wish Alex would have swung harder and been like, did
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    | text      = you know that the Matrix is a mind control trigger?
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    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Uh, what?
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    | text      = Go for it.
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    | text      = Once you open the can of worms, I want you to get to Matrix mind control.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:36:25.300
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So Alex has another guest on after this and it's a guy named Rick Adams, uh, who's a talk
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    | text      = show host out of Rhode Island.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I believe Alex has been welcomed on his show.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And so now, uh, the, the, the favor is repaid.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:36:40.060
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Uh, Alex keeps referring to this station W A L E as a, uh, I think it's like a 50 megawatt
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    | text      = blow torch.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:36:46.380
    | text      = Oh no.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:36:47.380
    | text      = He says that like five times.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:36:49.819
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:36:50.819
    | text      = Somebody, somebody gave him that and he went crazy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:36:53.180
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:36:54.180
    | text      = Anyway.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Um, their credibility is up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Rick.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I remember 10 years ago, you remember back further than that, but a Patriots talking
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = about everything that's now happening today and that now what's happened is our credibility
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:37:08.340
    | text      = has exploded because over the years, people heard us warn them about all this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:13.680
    | text      = Now they've seen it happening.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:15.020
    | text      = So our credibility has skyrocketed.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:17.659
    | text      = Absolutely.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = You know, when I was in college, you know, a lot of people thought I was the nut and
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = now generations later or decades later, I meet one or two of my friends from college
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:29.100
    | text      = and they say exactly what you've just said, Rick, I apologize.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:33.659
    | text      = I thought you were the nut.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:35.699
    | text      = I was the nut.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:36.739
    | text      = I didn't believe because I didn't want to believe, but everything you said was going
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:41.340
    | text      = to happen did in fact happen.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:37:44.079
    | text      = So you're right, Alex.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:37:45.079
    | text      = So yeah, this dude's a conservative talk show host in Rhode Island.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:49.260
    | text      = I'm not sure how wide his syndication was, but I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = He just seems like a kind of like a John Birch society dude.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:55.260
    | text      = Sounds like it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:56.260
    | text      = I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:57.260
    | text      = I don't, I don't find him all that interesting.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:59.180
    | text      = However, what is interesting is that mentality that they're expressing and it's kind of
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:38:03.340
    | text      = like a mantra for propagandists and conspiracy theorists.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:06.779
    | text      = I've heard Alex say exactly this same sort of thing in the present day.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I've heard him say it five years ago.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = He says this all the time.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:38:14.779
    | text      = This like our credibility is through the roof because everything we've said has come true.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:19.260
    | text      = The reason this rhetoric is used is because it's not about credibility or track records
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:23.500
    | text      = or predictions.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:24.500
    | text      = None of these concepts are even real in the game that's being played on these shows.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:28.279
    | text      = The goal is to tap into the audience's feelings and provide them with psychological comfort.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:32.819
    | text      = They all have memory of someone thinking that they were crazy for their conspiracy beliefs
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:36.779
    | text      = and it makes people feel better to have their supposed expert hero give voice to those feelings.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:42.100
    | text      = But importantly to put them in the past.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:44.739
    | text      = You were right to believe me all along, we're on the other side of it now.
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    | timestamp = 01:38:48.619
    | text      = This supposed story about Rick's friends from college apologizing for doubting him,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:52.600
    | text      = that didn't happen.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:54.020
    | text      = That story is constructed to give the audience hope that if they hold strong to their fringe-ass
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:38:58.460
    | text      = nonsense, eventually they too will have everyone in their lives apologizing to them for being
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    | text      = too afraid to accept the truth.
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    | text      = You see this really consistently in these sorts of communities, like it's rampant
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    | text      = and QAnon conversations that you see of like, you know, fantasizing about the day that everyone
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    | text      = will admit that they were right all along.
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    | text      = It's weird.
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    | text      = And it can't possibly be like, everyone thought we were wrong but we keep being right and
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    | text      = so our credibility is through the roof.
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    | text      = It can't be right in 2003 and 2020.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = Like it can't be right at both times.
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    | text      = And then it also can't be right in all those intervening years when I've heard him say
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    | text      = Do people just constantly forget about how credible you are?
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    | text      = I mean it seems like he's creating a like sign wave of credibility that just goes up
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    | text      = and down depending on the year or the day or whatever, you know, like today our credibility
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    | text      = is through the roof and then tomorrow our credibility is way way down, you know, like
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    | text      = what are you talking about?
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    | text      = Yeah, same with like the globalists are winning, oh no they're losing, oh no they're back
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    | text      = to winning!
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    | text      = Oh god, oh that's terrifying.
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    | text      = So Rick, I was wondering about him, and you know, he's very much in line with Alex's beliefs,
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    | text      = two of them are simpatico, and I was wondering, hey does this dude think he's fighting demons?
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    | text      = What type of world from your studies, Rick, do the globalists want to build?
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    | text      = Well I have to go back to a biblical perspective, and I know this turns off some people, but
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    | text      = I have to say it because I'm not a phony and I'm like yourself, I tell it like it is.
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    | text      = We're dealing with, as the scripture says, forces of evil in this world today.
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    | text      = We're not wrestling, as the apostles said, under, you know, delusion that we're fighting
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    | text      = flesh and bones.
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    | text      = We wrestle against powers and principalities of evil, Alex.
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    | text      = Now I want to say Alex does not respond to that comment at all.
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    | text      = So again, he's platforming somebody who has like a sort of fundamentalist belief, a Christian
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    | text      = belief in the war that they're fighting that is presumably political in nature is actually
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    | text      = against principalities of evil.
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    | text      = Demons.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I furrow my brow at you, Dan.
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    | text      = Why?
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    | text      = Because I want Alex to fucking weigh in and I'm sick of this teasing bullshit.
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    | text      = Yeah I know, I'm a little bit frustrated with it too.
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    | text      = But again, it's another interesting thread that exists in this period of time that we
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    | text      = now have the ability to learn more about and unravel.
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    | text      = And I find that really compelling.
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    | text      = So weird.
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    | text      = It's so weird.
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    | text      = When?
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    | text      = Why?
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    | text      = Why was it not acceptable then?
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    | text      = I mean, I guess it must have been a strategy for him then.
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    | text      = And maybe that strategy- That's a conclusion you could jump to and
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    | text      = I'm not entirely sure if it's correct, but it feels like what's going on.
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    | text      = Totally.
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    | text      = It seems like it has to be, something is going on, but it frustrates me because that sounds
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    | text      = like I'm making a conspiracy theory about something going on, but something has to be
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    | text      = going on.
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    | text      = But that's why we need to learn more and gather more information and evidence.
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    | text      = Of course.
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    | text      = The stuff that some of these other folks are saying isn't too far from what Alex says in
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    | text      = the current day.
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    | text      = Of course Alex yells more and talks more grossly and graphically about stuff.
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    | text      = But it's not too far off in terms of the, we're fighting demons.
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    | text      = But Alex stays away from it himself for the most part.
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    | text      = Which that's why it seems like a strategic decision because he's still booking these
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    | text      = people that he knows who Rick Adams is.
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    | text      = He probably knows this element of his belief and he's comfortable with him expressing it.
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    | text      = He's just not talking the way he would in the present day.
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    | text      = He would pray on air in the present day.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = And I mean, with those types of people, you've always got a time to Bible reference.
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    | text      = So it's not like he's been talking to this dude off air for, you know, weeks and they
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    | text      = just have never had the Bible come up.
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    | text      = Like these people have, okay, if you are talking to me within a 30 minute stretch, you're gonna
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    | text      = hear about the Bible.
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    | text      = There's a real good chance.
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    | text      = There's a real good chance.
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    | text      = And it doesn't matter what we're talking about.
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    | text      = Sports, it's going to be the Bible.
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    | text      = It doesn't matter.
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    | text      = You know?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So we have a couple clips left from the 20th and they take some calls.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Him and Rick.
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    | text      = And again, this is the other thing too that was really wild.
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    | text      = Like Cuddy is on for almost two hours as a guest.
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    | text      = Rick is on for a really long time.
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    | text      = And I thought like, like this is long for an Alex interview and it's because they're
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    | text      = like just like right on the same page in terms of those new world order basics and the conspiracies.
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    | text      = He can just have them co-host with you while you take phone calls and stuff and it, again,
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    | text      = it's another thing that feels more like, well, this is what this radio show is trying to
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    | text      = be.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = And, oh, also did not get into whether or not demons are what we're fighting with Shachman.
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    | text      = No Shachman.
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    | text      = I'm going to guess he doesn't think that.
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    | text      = I don't know.
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    | text      = That would be a, that would be a twist.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That would be a nice little twist for us.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So like in the Matrix.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Oh, and the third one when they negotiate with the robots.
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    | text      = We still don't remember that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = So Alex takes this call and this is awesome.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I don't even know how to set it up other than that.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = This is awesome.
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    | timestamp = 01:44:27.899
    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Alex, what happened with your deal when you went down to do your license and they asked
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    | text      = you to thumb scan and wasn't there some kind of an uproar?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = What ended, what became of all this?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = See the video in a Mariner get destroyed by design.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:39.060
    | text      = You ever seen that footage?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:44:40.060
    | text      = No, I've, I've, uh, seen Masters of Terror just last week.
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    | text      = We picked that up really enjoy it.
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    | text      = My mom wants to use it at her church in Wisconsin.
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    | text      = Well, I suggest as a primer road to tyranny is the best we've got the production wise,
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    | text      = but I would suggest you get that one.
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    | text      = They're all great.
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    | text      = Were you able to get around the thumb scan?
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    | text      = No, they have a waiver.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Some people have gotten it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = They will not give it to you and will refuse it.
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    | text      = I could sue them, but then I wouldn't have time to be on the radio six, seven hours a
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    | text      = day.
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    | timestamp = 01:45:10.579
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:45:11.579
    | text      = Like tonight I'm going to be on Jeff.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:45:12.579
    | text      = I'll be filling in for somebody for two hours today or locally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I mean, I'm just working all the time.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So fucking funny.
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    | text      = This is one of Alex's biggest early publicity stunts, and you could argue that it's the
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    | text      = closing segment, the like the big piece in his documentary, America Destroyed by Design.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Alex brings in a bunch of cameras when he goes to the Austin DMV to go get a new driver's
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    | text      = license knowing that the process requires a fingerprint.
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    | text      = He brings along eight forms of identification and insists he shouldn't have to provide a
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    | text      = fingerprint to which the people at the DMV say you do.
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    | text      = Alex starts yelling about how Bill Clinton wants his blood and urine next and asking
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = if the DMV workers are going to stick a needle in him.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = It's a petulant display and it's a real sign of the sort of publicity stunts that would
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    | text      = come to characterize his career moving forward.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It's so hilarious that at the end of this story, he just went back without the cameras
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = and gave the fingerprint to get his driver's license because I know he has a driver's license.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = He got a DUI a few months back.
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    | text      = Of course he does.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:46:09.779
    | text      = He didn't get a driving without a license charge.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That is so infuriating.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It's exactly like Alex.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = It's Alex to a T.
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    | text      = Well, I mean, I need a new ID, so I guess I'll go get it.
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    | text      = I'll give you my thumb.
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    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I will go and I will take this stand and yell while there's cameras running and get attention
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:46:28.140
    | text      = and incite people into a frenzy about these supposed political beliefs and these like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I am standing up for all the people, you know, and then, you know, I need to drive.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I will die on this hill two days later.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:46:42.579
    | text      = Listen, I'm real sorry about that.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:46:45.260
    | text      = That's my bad.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And then when a caller calls in and asks, he's like, yeah, you can get around it, but
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    | text      = like, I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:46:50.100
    | text      = It's really hard.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I gotta be on the radio.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I can't sue people.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I work.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I have a job.
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    | text      = What am I going to do?
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    | text      = Hire a lawyer to do it for me while I work?
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    | text      = No, I have to do all of my own lawsuits.
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    | text      = What am I supposed to do?
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    | text      = The hard work of having a principled stand?
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    | text      = Exactly, yes.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = Hire a principled stand.
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    | text      = Do you have time to have principles?
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    | text      = Because then do it.
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    | text      = I don't care.
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    | text      = What?
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    | text      = What, you don't have a job?
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    | text      = Fine.
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    | text      = Go have principles outside.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Crazy.
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    | text      = What a coward.
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    | text      = So Alex gets a call from an HEB manager, and this has to do with more of his ideas
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    | text      = about waivers and what have you.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = So this manager is bringing up that at her place of work, they are now talking about
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    | text      = bringing in a scanner, like a fingerprint scanner, for the time clock.
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    | text      = This is different than the idea of a checkout lane that's connected to your credit card
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    | text      = and what have you.
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    | text      = Oh, man.
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    | text      = But Alex says that this is the beginning of bringing in the...
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    | text      = Sure, sure.
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    | text      = Whatever.
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    | text      = Anyway, the manager wants to ask Alex about ways that she can fight back and not use this
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    | text      = system.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And Alex's advice is so Alex that it's almost laughable.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Here's my thing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I need to know what is my defense, not to give them my fingerprint.
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    | text      = Well, tell them it's a religious reason.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Tell them that you've been a good employee, always clocked in, not had a problem.
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    | text      = Tell them that you're not gonna be part of this, and if they give you problems, I think
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    | text      = you're gonna have a civil rights lawsuit on religious reasons.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = We need to do things like that.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:48:26.779
    | text      = What about you?
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    | text      = And is there any place you can recommend, like on the web or a certain spot in the library
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    | text      = that I should look to research this stuff and what my rights are and that I can use
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    | text      = as a defense to our...
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    | text      = InfoWars.com.
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    | text      = I can't even think of what I can...
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    | text      = Well, that's a whole section of study, but it's a whole section of study, but the religious
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = exemption for religious reasons, you're against that, you should be able to do something there.
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    | text      = Find out more, tell me as it progresses, and I appreciate the call.
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    | text      = I really do, Billy.
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    | text      = I've got a ton of calls and I wish you guys ought to call me back tomorrow or tonight
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    | text      = or next week so I can talk to you more.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = We're just up against the gun here.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = He's not up against the gun.
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    | text      = He has plenty of...
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    | text      = He takes more calls.
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    | text      = But yeah, there's no advice.
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    | text      = There's nothing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = There's no specific reference that he can give her to help her better navigate this
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:49:21.100
    | text      = struggle that he wants her to engage in, and his advice is essentially make up a religious
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    | text      = exemption.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Use religion as a prop.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = There's no part of like, here is what is violated in this religious belief.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Here is the reason.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Like dietary restrictions, you know, make sense as a religious exemption in various
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    | text      = settings.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I keep kosher.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Whatever you want.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = That makes sense.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:49:54.220
    | text      = And there are other things, sort of opposition to war, being a conscientious objector makes
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = total sense.
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    | text      = This, I don't know, I mean I guess what he would do is say Mark of the Beast or something
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    | text      = like that.
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    | timestamp = 01:50:06.100
    | text      = Sure, sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = You're going to scream Mark of the Beast.
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    | text      = I guess that would be the direction that it would go, but I don't know if that really
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    | text      = would stand up to scrutiny.
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    | text      = And it's, to me, indicative of how Alex engages with a lot of religious beliefs.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It's a prop.
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    | timestamp = 01:50:22.819
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:50:23.819
    | text      = It's use it to your advantage to do the things that you don't want to do and not have to
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    | timestamp = 01:50:27.979
    | text      = do the things you don't want to do.
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    | text      = Or justify the things.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = And no, I will not tell you where to look into this.
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    | text      = I mean, how could you possibly expect somebody to win a religious exemption lawsuit if there's
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    | text      = a clip of you saying, make up a religious exemption for this?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:50:46.140
    | text      = To be fair, I just want to be totally clear, that's my language that I use to make it up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:50:51.340
    | text      = He's not saying make it up, but that's how it is.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:50:54.500
    | text      = He is saying make it up, you know?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:50:56.199
    | text      = He's saying find something in your religion that you 99% of the time either don't think
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    | text      = about or don't actually believe.
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    | timestamp = 01:51:03.739
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:04.739
    | text      = Convince somebody that it's the most important thing to you now, suddenly, despite, again,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:09.779
    | text      = never having thought about it in your entire life.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:12.699
    | text      = Have these arguments very loudly on camera and then go back and stay on your fingers.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:16.779
    | text      = I'll clock in.
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    | timestamp = 01:51:18.380
    | text      = Sorry about that.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:19.380
    | text      = My bad.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:21.380
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:22.380
    | text      = Man, it takes so much, it must be so exhausting to convince yourself that Alex isn't a giant,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:27.539
    | text      = useless piece of shit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:29.140
    | text      = Like you just heard that clip, wouldn't you be like, oh, well then you're useless.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:34.899
    | text      = Your entire life is meant to be fighting at the tip of the spear.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:39.260
    | text      = And you are giving me advice that is nothing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:41.859
    | text      = You are the person who has more knowledge and more resources than we do as individual
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = info warriors out there in the field.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:51.420
    | text      = And you had a perfect situation where you had a lot of people supporting you.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:54.739
    | text      = They had your back.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:51:55.920
    | text      = You could have been the one to do this lawsuit in order to make sure that all of us could
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:00.399
    | text      = get our waivers and not have to give fingerprints to get a DMV, get our licenses.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:05.340
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:06.340
    | text      = Oh, but then you couldn't be on the radio all the time.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:08.000
    | text      = So guess, uh, guess it's going to have to be the HEB manager with very little money.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:14.579
    | text      = No time.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:15.579
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:16.579
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:17.579
    | text      = No support.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:18.579
    | text      = No cult of personality around them.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:20.220
    | text      = Their responsibility.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:21.539
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:22.539
    | text      = It's a little bit, uh, you know, I mean, it's not new, but it is just a gross, uh, denial
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    | timestamp = 01:52:28.220
    | text      = of the self appointed role.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:31.859
    | text      = This is a grassroots movement where I exploit the grassroots.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:36.539
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:37.619
    | text      = You can water the grass or you can suck all of the life out of it for every single scent
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:44.020
    | text      = that you can steal.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:45.460
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:46.460
    | text      = Man, that was a good show.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:49.460
    | text      = Anyway, uh, we come to the end of this and, and, and like, I really feel like there are
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:52:57.939
    | text      = threads that I'm fascinated by in 2003.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:01.380
    | text      = I think a lot of stuff is, is, is, is coming up that I really, really want to know where
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:07.220
    | text      = these things go.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:08.979
    | text      = And so I hope to, uh, you know, obviously I'm not going to lose track of the present
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:12.579
    | text      = day or ignore it entirely, but this is, this is, this is getting me, getting my juices.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:17.739
    | text      = I think what it is to me, it's just so uncanny, you know, like I recognize this guy and yet
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:23.939
    | text      = every time I hear him talk, I'm like, who the fuck is this guy?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:26.899
    | text      = You know, like it's so close to Alex, but it's just even weirder.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:30.819
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:31.819
    | text      = And we're even taking for granted like almost, uh, how like nutty it is, the, the, the position
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:39.619
    | text      = on Putin is so like night and day, like it's, that's outrageous.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:45.420
    | text      = I can't believe how jaded we are that that completely is like almost passé to a certain,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:52.060
    | text      = you know, like, oh yeah, yeah, of course he believes this then and doesn't believe that
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:55.500
    | text      = now.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:56.500
    | text      = Like that's just boring at this point, but that's nuts.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:58.779
    | text      = That's major.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:53:59.779
    | text      = That's foundational.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:00.779
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:01.779
    | text      = There's a lot of major stuff that is, uh, is going to have to give.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:03.899
    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:04.899
    | text      = And then I want to know where, like, where these people are.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:07.539
    | text      = Where are the, the, the experts?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:09.859
    | text      = Where are the G Edward Griffin?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:12.500
    | text      = Where's that dude?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:13.500
    | text      = I know some of them are editor in chief of the daily beast now.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:18.020
    | text      = Why isn't Alex like he's, obviously he's talking about gold a little bit, but like Midas Resources
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:24.140
    | text      = is selling gold at this point.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:25.939
    | text      = He's not pushing gold as hard as he does in like years after this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:29.699
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:30.699
    | text      = I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:31.699
    | text      = It's interesting.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:32.699
    | text      = It's confusing.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:33.699
    | text      = I'm excited to learn more and we shall in the future, but until then, Jordan, we have
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    | timestamp = 01:54:36.420
    | text      = a website.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:37.420
    | text      = We do have a website.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:38.420
    | text      = It's knowledgefight.com.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:39.420
    | text      = Yep.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:40.420
    | text      = We're also on Twitter.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:41.420
    | text      = We are on Twitter.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:42.420
    | text      = We're also on Facebook.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:43.420
    | text      = We are on Facebook.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:44.420
    | text      = If you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people
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    | timestamp = 01:54:48.779
    | text      = doing God's work.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:49.779
    | text      = Yep.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:50.779
    | text      = We'll be back.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:51.779
    | text      = But until then, I'm Neo.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:52.779
    | text      = I'm Leo.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:53.779
    | text      = I'm DZX Clark.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:54.779
    | text      = I'm Daryl Rundis.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:54:55.779
    | text      = And now here comes the sex robots.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:57.659
    | text      = Andy in Kansas.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:58.659
    | text      = You're on the air.
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    | timestamp = 01:54:59.659
    | text      = Thanks for holding.
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    | timestamp = 01:55:00.659
    | text      = Hello Alex.
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    | timestamp = 01:55:01.659
    | text      = I'm a first time caller.
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    | timestamp = 01:55:02.659
    | text      = I'm a huge fan.
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    | timestamp = 01:55:03.659
    | text      = I love your work.
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    | timestamp = 01:55:04.659
    | text      = I love you.
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