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    | title         = [[559: Noam Man's Land]]
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    | episodeNumber = [[559: Noam Man's Land|559]]
    | length        = 01:22:33
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    | text      = N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight
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    | text      = Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
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    | text      = I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
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    | text      = Andy Enchanze, Andy Enchanze, stop it, Andy Enchanze, Andy Enchanze, it's time to pray.
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    | text      = Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan.
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    | text      = I love your world!
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    | text      = Knowledgefight N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight.com
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    | text      = I love you.
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    | text      = Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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    | text      = I'm Jordan.
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    | text      = We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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    | text      = Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
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    | text      = Jordan.
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    | text      = Dan!
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    | text      = Jordan.
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    | text      = We are also masters of crushing a bit after several weeks of practicing.
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    | text      = But I don't like you drawing attention to it.
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    | text      = I know, but you did such a great job!
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    | text      = Well, thanks.
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    | text      = It was a perfect line read.
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    | text      = I don't appreciate positive feedback.
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    | text      = Fair enough.
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    | text      = Well, what do you appreciate, Dan? Because my question is, what is your bright spot this week?
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    | text      = Well, my bright spot, Jordan, we talked about how we should probably inform the good people about this.
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    | text      = And my bright spot is, after four and a half years, I've decided to take a vacation.
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    | text      = Yes, yep, yep. For the first time in a very long time.
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    | text      = I mean, it's debatable. I guess I've taken a few days off here and there.
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    | text      = Indeed.
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    | text      = Staycations, if you will.
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    | text      = Sure, sure.
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    | text      = I went to visit my parents for a holiday.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Not quite a vacation.
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    | text      = Not quite.
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    | text      = We went to Austin to do a live show.
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    | text      = Sure, that's definitely not a vacation. That's a work trip.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = We got to fucking write it off on our taxes, Dan. It was a work trip.
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    | text      = I don't really know how to relax. I'm not really good at that.
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    | text      = But finally, we've decided to take a vacation.
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    | text      = Indeed.
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    | text      = So you and I and your partner are actually going together next week.
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    | text      = Of course.
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    | text      = We will be going to Hawaii for a week.
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    | text      = Ah, visiting your homeland.
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    | text      = Exactly.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = A big part of this is I've been meaning to take a trip back to my childhood home.
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    | text      = Definitely.
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    | text      = In Honolulu and see some of the sights, like Aliyolani Elementary School and go down to Waikiki Beach.
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    | text      = Oh, yeah.
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    | text      = You know, kick around the old haunts.
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    | text      = Oh, yeah.
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    | text      = I didn't have any old haunts. I was a child.
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    | text      = But I have a lot of sort of vague memories and snapshots in my head that I'd like to experience as an adult.
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    | text      = I like to try and fill in some of those gaps.
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    | text      = And so I'm very excited to take this trip and hope I don't freak out from lack of working.
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    | text      = Nah, it's going to be great. It's going to be great.
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    | text      = It's going to be great.
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    | text      = Sometimes you're going to stay in your hotel late at night by yourself staring up at the ceiling thinking,
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    | text      = what if I were working right now? Wouldn't that be better?
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    | text      = I don't doubt that will be the case.
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    | text      = But also this is relevant because the next three episodes we're going to have to prepare in advance.
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    | text      = Of course.
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    | text      = Of taking off for vacation.
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    | text      = So hopefully the schedule of release won't be affected at all by it.
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    | text      = But you'll notice that they will be maybe, hey, let's say something happens in the world.
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    | text      = We may not be aware of it.
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    | text      = We may not know because we're in the past.
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    | text      = Trump might rise back to power.
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    | text      = And be a real bummer.
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    | text      = And we will not know.
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    | text      = I don't know. I think if anything super crazy happens, we'll probably break into a recording studio somewhere and be like,
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    | text      = hey, we got to put out two hours now.
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    | text      = It's an emergency.
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    | text      = What if we had gone on vacation on like January 4th?
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    | text      = We'd have episodes coming out and we wouldn't be aware that the Capitol had been stormed.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = It'd be very strange. That's what I'm saying.
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    | text      = That would be strange.
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    | text      = We're going to have to pre-record a few.
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    | text      = And thank you in advance for that.
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    | text      = Oh, indeed. Absolutely.
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    | text      = How about you, Jordan? What's your bright spot?
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    | text      = My bright spot, Dan, is at my partner's school.
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    | text      = As you know, my partner is a teacher at school to be unnamed.
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    | text      = But basically, their new principal started at the beginning of this year, or the school year.
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    | text      = So last year.
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    | text      = And she has proven herself to be a giant racist piece of shit.
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    | text      = Like really, really bad.
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    | text      = Good thing you're not naming this school.
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    | text      = Yeah, to the point where all of the BIPOC staff and students have essentially just gone on fucking revolt.
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    | text      = Wow.
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    | text      = This shit is unsustainable.
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    | text      = And so today, these kids organized a fucking sit-in and then later on a walkout.
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    | text      = And my partner sent me a little clip of it.
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    | text      = And the BIPOC students leading this shit are absolutely astonishing.
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    | text      = At a certain point, all these kids are chanting, protect our teachers, protect our teachers.
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    | text      = And I'm like weeping my balls off.
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    | text      = Like these kids are incredible.
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    | text      = Great.
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    | text      = Like truly incredible and that's my bright spot.
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    | text      = That's very inspirational.
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    | text      = Yeah, absolutely.
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    | text      = Well, good on them.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So Jordan, today we have an interesting situation to get into.
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    | text      = Because as I mentioned, we're going to be pre-recording some episodes.
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    | text      = And that's going to make it more difficult to be in the present day keeping up with Alex.
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    | text      = Of course, of course.
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    | text      = So it had been my plan to stay in the past, in 2003 probably, for those episodes.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = And so I didn't want to do a 2003 episode here today.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = And so I was like, all right, present day, let's see what Alex is going into.
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    | text      = Let's do this.
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    | text      = Look, Alex has been on vacation.
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    | text      = Why don't we coordinate?
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    | text      = He needs to let us know.
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    | text      = We always have in the past.
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    | text      = He needs to let us know.
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    | text      = Every time we're gone, he's gone.
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    | text      = This is infuriating.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I don't accept this whatsoever.
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    | text      = Owen Schroyer's been hosting all this week.
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    | text      = And I, look, I understand that the situation with Israel-Palestine is a big deal.
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    | text      = I do understand that.
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    | text      = I don't care what Owen Schroyer has to say about it.
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    | text      = Oh, absolutely not.
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    | text      = I'm interested in the Infowars position and exactly how this is a false flag and what have you.
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    | text      = But I'm only going to take it from Alex.
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    | text      = I'm not going to listen to an hour and a half Owen Schroyer to get a sense of it.
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    | text      = I really don't need to hear Owen say what amounts to none of this is real.
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    | text      = It's all Palestine actually attacking themselves.
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    | text      = And even if Israel was committing genocide, I support that.
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    | text      = That's what they would say.
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    | text      = That's what he said.
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    | text      = I'm not interested in hearing any of that nonsense from Owen.
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    | text      = But there is an update I need to give you about the present day.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = There is a certain psy-op expert that's been subtly sneaking his way back onto the show.
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    | text      = Get the fuck out of here!
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    | text      = They cannot quit him!
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    | text      = Alex has been out of town and he's been showing up with Owen.
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    | text      = Yeah, so Steve Pachetic is creeping back and he's just flattering the shit out of Owen.
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    | text      = I watched their interview and he's like, oh, you're the best.
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    | text      = Of course.
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    | text      = God damn it.
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    | text      = These idiots can be tricked in the same way all the time.
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    | text      = I also noticed that when I was watching this interview, I noticed that Steve was reading a lot.
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    | text      = He's clearly looking down at something.
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    | text      = So when he's rattling off a lot of these details and stuff, a lot of it is probably prepared.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I mean, I feel like somehow we're thinking of this as a negative thing.
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    | text      = But being a guest and being by far more prepared than anything that your host has ever done seems like a positive to me.
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    | text      = I don't disagree and I support preparation.
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    | text      = I just think that the way that Steve uses specifics and things like that is to create the impression of familiarity.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = He creates the impression of familiarity with the staff of various administrations and stuff like that in a way that it would be kind of not as impressive that he knows people's names if it's on a sheet of paper in front of him.
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    | text      = True.
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    | text      = So that kind of preparation kind of cuts through what he's trying to use his appearance and the way he's trying to present himself.
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    | text      = And rattling off details gives him the appearance of having a recall that is astonishing.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = How can one man possibly pull all of these things off his ass?
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    | text      = How can he be making up all of this?
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    | text      = Exactly.
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    | text      = And I don't know.
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    | text      = There was an interesting thing too that for years Steve wouldn't appear on video.
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    | text      = He would only be on the phone and there would be a picture of him from when he was much younger.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = With a weird mustache.
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    | text      = Yeah, he should go back to that.
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    | text      = Yeah, but I wonder if that was because back in those times he had a bunch of files in front of him and he didn't want to be on video.
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    | text      = That's possible.
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    | text      = I wonder about that and I never really thought about that because I never really watched too closely.
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    | text      = But his eyes were definitely reading.
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    | text      = I would also accept it wasn't until the pandemic that he insisted that some child in his neighborhood go set up Zoom for him so he can accurately...
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    | text      = I don't know.
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    | text      = I know that his wife is on tech detail.
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    | text      = Oh, okay.
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    | text      = If you do go to his YouTube channel you can see her pressing the start and stop buttons sometimes.
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    | text      = That is very pretty and cute.
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    | text      = It is.
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    | text      = Unfortunately.
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    | text      = It's unfortunately humanizing of a real weirdo.
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    | text      = Yes, it's infuriating.
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    | text      = But it's very cute.
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    | text      = So I guess what that leaves us with is possibly, I mean, I don't know.
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    | text      = I don't know if Alex will be back in time for us to record anything in the present day before our trip.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = So we may be getting back to Alex in the present day when we get back.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = But it also put me in a bind of not really knowing exactly where to go for this episode.
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    | text      = Luckily, I found something and we'll get to it after we say hello to some wonks.
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    | text      = Nice.
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    | text      = Nicely done.
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    | text      = So first, Sheila B, the Garden Queen.
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    | text      = Thank you so much.
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    | text      = You are now a policy wonk.
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    | text      = I'm a policy wonk.
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    | text      = Thanks, Sheila.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Thank you.
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    | text      = Next, Kimmy from Seattle.
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    | text      = This is a shout out and a wonk title going to you.
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    | text      = I appreciate you getting round the world into the show.
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    | text      = I'm a policy wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Thank you.
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    | text      = Thank you, Kimmy.
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    | text      = Next, Uncle Patches, CPA.
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    | text      = Thank you so much.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You are now a policy wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I'm a policy wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I'm a policy wonk.
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    | text      = Thanks, Uncle Patches.
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    | text      = Thank you.
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    | text      = Next, Branigan.
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    | text      = Thank you so much.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You are now a policy wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I'm a policy wonk.
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    | text      = Thank you very much.
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    | text      = Next, Down With the Tyrant King Jared.
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    | text      = Thank you so much.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You are now a policy wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I'm a policy wonk.
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    | text      = Thank you very much.
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    | text      = Thank you.
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    | text      = Next, Sasha.
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    | text      = Thank you so much.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You are now a policy wonk.
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    | text      = I'm a policy wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Thanks, Sasha.
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    | text      = Thank you.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Next, near free advertising for God's eternal wrath.
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    | text      = Thank you so much.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You are now a policy wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I'm a policy wonk.
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    | text      = Thank you very much.
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    | text      = Et cetera.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Now, Jordan.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = We had to do a little bit of business here and that is, you know, sometimes you gotta
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    | text      = take it on the chin.
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    | text      = Sure, sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Sometimes, you know, you just gotta take that punch as it comes.
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    | text      = Naturally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You realize that you have messed up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = What is a plan but God laughing at you?
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    | text      = That's true.
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    | text      = Or something?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = How does that work?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = God laughs at man that makes plans?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No, man plans while God laughs.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That's what it is.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = You got it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = So anyway.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = What a shitty God who's gonna laugh at anybody for planning.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No, but it's like that, hahaha, oh, I love this guy so much.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Isn't it cute that he's planning?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah, maybe give him a better plan.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:11:27.919
    | text      = It's paternal.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Don't laugh at him.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:30.440
    | text      = That's laughing at a homeless person.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:32.200
    | text      = God is laughing at a houseless person and it's fucking offensive.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:36.600
    | text      = Let's do it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:37.600
    | text      = I'm offended by God.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Let's take God's house.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I think we should.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:41.039
    | text      = Anyway, my point is that we have a couple of April birthdays.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:44.759
    | text      = I might have missed a couple of April birthdays.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:51.399
    | text      = Don't worry about it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So uh, Katie, happy birthday back in April.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Happy birthday.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:56.519
    | text      = This is from your husband, Nodbard, he wants to wish you a happy birthday, I hope you had
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = a great birthday.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I do too.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:03.320
    | text      = Also I fucked up on this one, Tanya, happy birthday back in April.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:08.259
    | text      = Happy birthday Tanya.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = That's totally on me, I need to do a better job of managing inboxes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:13.559
    | text      = Nah, you're doing great.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:15.360
    | text      = Now, not all is trouble because we also have a presentation.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:19.240
    | text      = Hey, see, there we go.
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    | timestamp = 00:12:20.840
    | text      = This is coming from Savannah.
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    | text      = Savannah wanted me to give a shout out to their spouse Shoshana and wish Shoshana a
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:12:28.480
    | text      = happy birthday.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = So happy birthday.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Happy birthday Shoshana.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Hope you're having a great one out there.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:32.879
    | text      = Perfect.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:12:33.879
    | text      = Now Jordan, we couldn't do the past.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:12:36.159
    | text      = We couldn't do the present.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:39.240
    | text      = We can do the middle past?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:41.399
    | text      = I felt like that might be too confusing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:45.840
    | text      = We had to do a bottle episode.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:48.120
    | text      = We gotta do a bottle episode.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:49.159
    | text      = Jim Baker still bums me out, I can't quite go back to that well.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:53.440
    | text      = Project Camelot, I think she got kicked off YouTube and now is back to a membership model
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:58.799
    | text      = and so I don't know about the ethics of using-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:01.320
    | text      = Once again.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:02.320
    | text      = Yeah, I'm back to being on shaky ground.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:04.960
    | text      = Sure, sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And so that leaves us in a bit of a pickle.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:13:09.039
    | text      = We need a bottle episode.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:10.740
    | text      = Gotta do something.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:11.740
    | text      = I was like, is there anything that I've been meaning to do-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:13:14.960
    | text      = Review that bottle episode of Breaking Bad that everybody loves so much about the fly?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:19.480
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:20.480
    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:13:21.480
    | text      = I have some thoughts.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:22.480
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:23.480
    | text      = But no, that's not what we're doing here today.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:13:24.480
    | text      = There is something that listeners have constantly been like, did you ever do that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:13:28.039
    | text      = And we hadn't.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:29.039
    | text      = Oh.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:30.039
    | text      = Welcome back my friends.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:13:31.039
    | text      = The second hour of the broadcast.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = We're going to be joined by Noam Chomsky coming up here in just a couple minutes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah, that's right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:13:37.440
    | text      = The Noam Chomsky interview.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:13:39.799
    | text      = That's right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:40.799
    | text      = What are we doing?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:13:41.799
    | text      = Yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:42.799
    | text      = I feel so weird about this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = In 2001, pre-9-11, Noam Chomsky appeared on InfoWars.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:13:51.039
    | text      = The Alex Jones program.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Noam Chomsky.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = The linguist.
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    | text      = Not the very short, shows up in your house in the middle of the night, makes you cookies?
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    | text      = Noam with a G.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = It is not Gnome Chomsky.
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    | text      = All right.
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    | text      = The noted intellectual.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = This actually is one of the more interesting interviews that I've ever heard on InfoWars.
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    | text      = For a couple reasons.
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    | text      = One, this is pre-9-11 Alex Jones.
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    | timestamp = 00:14:19.440
    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = He doesn't have the cache of predicting 9-11 yet.
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    | text      = I also think that he doesn't have nearly as much of the market share.
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    | text      = He doesn't have as much notoriety.
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    | text      = I don't think that people who might be invited to be on his show know much about him.
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    | text      = True.
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    | text      = So, you have that.
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    | text      = I take it Gnome does not know that Alex is fighting the literal devil.
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    | text      = I don't know if Alex knows that.
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    | text      = We haven't established that.
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    | text      = At what point he became aware that he was up against fields above.
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    | text      = I think earliest days in his career, a lot of it was based around making big publicity
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    | text      = stunts about trying to get the church, the Branch Davidians rebuilt.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = He had some notoriety on a regional basis from that, but if you look at the early parts
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    | text      = of his career where he really hit the noss, as it were, in the fast and furious terms,
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    | text      = that's got to be all around 9-11 conspiracies.
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    | text      = This is before that.
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    | text      = Also, another thing that's really weird is that they agree about a lot of stuff.
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    | text      = Of course.
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    | text      = Now, do they actually?
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    | text      = No, of course they do.
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    | text      = Alex and Gnome, best buds.
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    | text      = They agree about a lot of the surface level of things, but when you get down to what their
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    | text      = beliefs are based on, there's a little bit of difference, and this interview could have
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    | text      = been amazing, and it could have been great, and it is not.
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    | text      = It ends very poorly.
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    | text      = Oh, no.
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    | text      = Does it end in a fight?
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    | text      = I'll let you decide.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = All right.
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    | text      = So, Alex reads a little bit of a bio, and he's a professor of linguists, linguistics.
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    | text      = And he's written books like Manufacturing, Consent, and Excellent Video, also titled
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    | text      = Manufacturing Consent, and it goes into how they stage things, how they will have a supposed
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    | text      = debate on television, but the people debating are actually on the same side.
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    | text      = They're just debating the exact implementation by just a few degrees, giving you the psychological
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    | text      = illusion there's really some type of difference, so that in your mind, you're going to fall
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    | text      = in supposedly either phony camp being steered in the direction they wish.
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    | text      = Now, that's how I put it.
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    | text      = Chomsky does it in a little bit more sophisticated fashion.
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    | text      = But they do this all the time.
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    | text      = Manufacturing Consent is about the media, but it's not necessarily about staging events
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    | text      = or false flags or that kind of stuff, the way Alex is kind of leading it and presenting
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    | text      = that.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = The general thesis of Chomsky's book, largely co-written by Edward Herman, is that the media
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    | text      = engages in self-censoring of ideas that are opposed to the interests of the elite corporations
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    | text      = in such a way that encourages acceptance of the policies being put in place by the government,
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    | text      = which support those interests, often to the detriment of what's in the interest of normal
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    | text      = people.
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    | text      = It's more complicated than even what I'm presenting, but that's a large part of what Chomsky and
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    | text      = Herman called the propaganda model.
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    | text      = It doesn't rely on coercion to operate, rather it's a product of just market forces.
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    | text      = There's a structural conflict of interest in how the media is organized that creates
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    | text      = a disconnect between conveying all of the information that's relevant to the interests
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    | text      = of the upper upper classes and those of everyone else.
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    | text      = This is the general 30,000 foot view of the manufacturing concept.
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    | text      = Yeah, if the media were capable of reporting correctly they would be reporting every single
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    | text      = day that we should do everything we can to destroy their billionaire owners, otherwise
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    | text      = their entire journalism is pointless.
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    | text      = Interesting.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I don't think I would be qualified to give a full breakdown of the ideas in that text,
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    | text      = but I can tell you that I'm also certain that Alex has not read it.
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    | text      = The propaganda model includes five filters, which are theorized as being determinative
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    | text      = about whether certain news is represented in the larger media.
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    | text      = The first four are ownership, funding, sources, and flak.
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    | text      = Alex could probably find agreement on those four, but he absolutely could not accept the
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    | text      = fifth, which is anti-communism.
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    | text      = Oh!
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    | text      = Boom!
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    | text      = We got a strikeout!
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    | text      = Somehow it's a one-pitch strikeout!
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    | text      = Oh, difficult!
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    | text      = Anti-communism was the preferred media fear outlet in the time that the book was first
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    | text      = published.
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    | text      = During the Cold War the mass- Never went out of style, buddy.
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    | text      = Never went out of style!
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    | text      = During the Cold War the mass media wasn't going to give a serious chance to an outlet
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    | text      = that went at odds with the prevailing narrative, which was to be afraid of the commies.
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    | text      = In more recent times Chomsky has recontextualized this filter to update it to the times, where
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    | text      = the war on terror is more relevant as a media filter after 9-11 than anti-communism.
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    | text      = Yeah, of course.
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    | text      = Alex could probably agree that large portions of the media have the same opinion on big
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    | text      = issues like the war on terror, and that possibly it was meant to scare people into accepting
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    | text      = policies they wouldn't maybe otherwise, but he absolutely could never accept that anti-communist
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    | text      = fervor during the Cold War was in any way part of that.
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    | text      = Yeah, totally.
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    | text      = His entire personality and worldview is based on that.
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    | text      = Everything that is built is crumbled if you accept that.
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    | text      = Yeah, so I think that's kind of interesting, because I think what happens is that Alex
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    | text      = has a predetermined set of beliefs, and he's just decided that Chomsky backs those up.
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    | text      = Yeah, or at least enough of them that he can make it look like he supports all of them.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = So Alex talks, before getting into the actual interview, more about his, this is 2001, so
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    | text      = this is where he's at in terms of the similarities between the left and the right.
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    | text      = They're the same.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Democrat, Republican.
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    | text      = Sure, sure, sure.
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    | text      = And I would argue that this is an indication to me that it's always been very surface level.
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    | text      = It's like Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative.
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    | text      = Liberals, Conservatives, you look at what they do at the top, they're all the same people.
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    | text      = The political left has secret police that wear black uniforms and ski masks.
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    | text      = The political right has police that wear black uniforms and ski masks around the world.
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    | text      = They just have the police.
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    | text      = Centralized government, and they tell you to be in the middle of that system.
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    | text      = More semantical deceptions.
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    | text      = I think what's strange here is that, like, I could hear somebody saying, like, the left
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    | text      = and the right's the same, they all wear black ski masks.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = And it being a metaphor.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And from Alex, I don't think it is.
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    | text      = No, it's absolutely direct.
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    | text      = I think it's literal.
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    | text      = If he does not believe that they actually have secret police, then I don't know what
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    | text      = anything is real anymore.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:20:54.240
    | text      = I don't know what's true or what's false.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = That man believes everyone has secret police and ski masks.
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    | text      = He believes that, like, uh...
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    | text      = That's my foundational belief system.
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    | text      = He believes that small corporations even have SWAT teams and stuff at this point.
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    | text      = Yeah, absolutely.
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    | text      = It's very strange.
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    | text      = I don't even want to know what army he thinks AT&T has.
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    | text      = Huge.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So, yeah, I just...
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    | text      = I come away from clips like that with a feeling that, like, I don't know how in-depth any
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    | text      = of this assessment of, like, the similarities between left and right are.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Because I do think you can make a decent argument that there are similarities.
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    | text      = Obviously, there are entwined interests.
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    | text      = There are similar priorities in some ways, but there are also huge fucking differences.
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    | text      = Maybe.
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    | text      = And I don't understand how Alex never really gives voice to those differences.
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    | text      = Because the...
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    | text      = Or ignores them.
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    | text      = Because the differences make it look like the people that he actually supports are bad.
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    | text      = Oh, yeah, that's right.
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    | text      = It is hard to be like, well, okay, there's one difference between Democrats and Republicans.
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    | text      = Democrats do want people to eat food.
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    | text      = I was kind of maybe being facetious when I said I don't know why.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:15.519
    | text      = I realized that I didn't even know that I was being facetious.
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    | text      = I was like, oh, I kind of get it.
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    | timestamp = 00:22:20.400
    | text      = Anyway, here comes Chomsky into the debate.
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    | text      = It's not a debate.
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    | text      = Just a conversation.
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    | text      = And they do have some agreement.
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    | text      = And this is a little bit longer clip, but that's because Chomsky speaks in full sentences.
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    | text      = Ooh, no.
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    | text      = Dangerous.
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    | text      = Dangerous.
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    | text      = Alex lets him speak in full sentences?
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    | text      = Oh, yeah.
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    | text      = So this is a...
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    | text      = This is where he learned his lesson right here.
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    | text      = Two and a half minute clip here.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = I would call it almost a matrix-like system where 98% of people don't even know the real
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    | text      = parameters of power that surround them.
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    | text      = Phony paradigms and systems of phony left, right, with all the roads leading towards
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    | text      = a centralized, highly controlled corporate bureaucracy.
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    | text      = I agree with that.
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    | text      = But I think the only thing I would add as a kind of a footnote is that the marginalization
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    | text      = of the public that you're describing is quite purposeful and conscious, self-conscious.
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    | text      = So especially through the 20th, actually it goes back to the founding of the country,
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    | text      = but it's particularly in the 20th century, there has been a very self-conscious explicit
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    | text      = effort.
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    | text      = I mean, you don't have to make it, nothing speculative, because the leaders say so.
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    | text      = Business leaders, intellectuals, academic social scientists and others say that it is
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    | text      = important to keep the public out of things.
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    | text      = It's important to ensure that the public remain what are called spectators, not participants.
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    | text      = They're supposed to be directed to other concerns and not interfere with policy formation.
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    | text      = That is a major phenomenon developed in the more democratic countries, in the United States
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    | text      = and England particularly, through the 20th century.
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    | text      = And the reason was very clear.
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    | text      = By the early 20th century, it was becoming very difficult to control people by other
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    | text      = means.
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    | text      = The voting franchise was extending, labor unions were developing, women were demanding
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    | text      = I mean, the countries, especially England and the United States, were simply becoming
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    | text      = And it was recognized early on that if you can't control people by worse or, you know,
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    | text      = poverty or some other means, you are going to have to control them by what was quite
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    | text      = openly called propaganda at the time.
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    | text      = People don't like the term propaganda anymore, but that was used.
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    | text      = That's where the US public relations is.
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    | text      = It grows out of these experiences and this understanding and it is very explicit.
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    | text      = Professor Chomsky, they developed, put out their papers that I've read from the Carnegie
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    | text      = Endowment and others that mind control, behavioral modification is much cheaper and much more
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    | text      = effective than tanks and guns.
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    | text      = And it's the only thing you can do because in the more democratic countries, you can't
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    | text      = control people with tanks and guns.
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    | text      = I mean, maybe to some limited extent, but not very much.
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    | text      = There's too much freedom.
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    | text      = The one thing that I think is really key here is to notice where there is a salient agreement
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    | text      = between the two and also the way that those two things are fully differently understood
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    | text      = by the two parties.
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    | text      = Oh, absolutely.
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    | text      = They are not talking about the same thing whatsoever.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = I think that there is, you know, what Chomsky is bringing to the table is ideas about wanting
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    | text      = to keep people disengaged from some public discourse and some decisions that could be
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    | text      = detrimental to elite corporations' interests and in so much as that is in their interest,
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    | text      = then, you know, not having all information fully disseminated works to those goals.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Bannon didn't invent muddying the waters, you know, like propaganda, especially the
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    | text      = United States propaganda has been rocking that boat for a long time.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = What is early roots of advertising other than that?
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    | text      = Yeah, absolutely.
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    | text      = What is social media influencers in our day?
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    | text      = What are any kind of publicist?
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    | text      = You know, like a lot of that stuff is just perception management.
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    | text      = Your job is propaganda.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And I think that there is a real conversation that can be had and I think that, you know,
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    | text      = I obviously wouldn't necessarily take this tack, but someone could say that if literally
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    | text      = everybody was engaged in decision-making about every issue, it would be impossible for a
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    | text      = society to function.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = And maybe to a limit, there is an argument that could be made for, you know, people being
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    | text      = disengaged is more productive, is actually a better organizational model.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = I'm not advocating that, but I could see someone making that point and I could see Chomsky
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    | text      = having an interesting conversation with them.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Alex, on the other hand, his beliefs veer so much into the vaccines are meant to make
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    | text      = us dumb.
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    | text      = They poison us in our food and all this, that even this point of agreement is a point of
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    | text      = departure for the two of them.
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    | text      = And I find that very weird to look at.
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    | text      = And it does sound like Noam Chomsky is describing the phenomena of the government destroying
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    | text      = the ability of the electorate to honestly engage with their actions.
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    | text      = And Alex responded, so obviously you're talking about mind control.
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    | text      = And I think that it, you know, I don't have a good enough glimpse of Alex at 2001, although
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    | text      = based on, you know, the present day, I would guess that he means like someone putting a
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    | text      = No, he means mind control.
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    | text      = He means legitimate mind control.
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    | text      = You look into my spinning thing.
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    | text      = Yeah, I think so.
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    | text      = But I think that the way, you know, someone like his guest would interact with that is
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    | text      = taking that as metaphor.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = If Alex was like, hey, so you're in agreement with me, they're putting computer chips inside
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    | text      = everybody's brain to make them do what they tell them to and Noam would have gone, that
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    | text      = is not what I'm saying at all.
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    | text      = But I don't know if that's what Alex is saying back at this point.
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    | text      = That's one of the parts that is kind of challenging about this is you can hear that from Alex
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    | text      = even as metaphor, as flourish of speaking, as opposed to it being like, I have you under
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    | text      = my control, lift your right arm.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = And that, that does kind of point out one big issue though, is that all too often we
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    | text      = just assume people are capable of metaphor.
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    | text      = Well, it's interesting that he's talking to a linguist.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = This is borderline the Turing test.
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    | text      = That's what's going on.
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    | text      = It's borderline Alex trying to fool a computer into thinking he's human.
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    | text      = Chomsky is shockingly charitable with Alex and I think it's to his credit in hindsight.
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    | text      = He's a good interviewee.
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    | text      = So Alex talks about how Bush and Clinton, this is going to have to be, yeah, I guess
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    | text      = it would be George W. Bush because he just got elected at this point.
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    | text      = And Clinton had just been given the boot.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So Alex talks about how they're the same based on a very specific set of axes.
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    | text      = Well take Bush and Clinton, they have the exact same policies on land grabbing, selling
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    | text      = out sovereignty, deindustrialization, drugging the children, but you asked the average person,
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    | text      = they have this, this, this cult-like following of their parties and can't admit it's really
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    | text      = the same, what I call the same, it's really two corporate management teams bidding for
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    | text      = control of the CEO job of the new world order.
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    | text      = Well, I, maybe I'm naive, but I have more faith in the public than that.
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    | text      = My feeling is that the general public is rather well aware of this and I think it shows up
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    | text      = in the, there are, you know, there's a lot of public opinion study in the United States,
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    | text      = mainly because business wants to keep its finger on the public pulse.
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    | text      = They want to know what people are thinking.
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    | text      = So we have a pretty trustworthy and very extensive polling industry.
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    | text      = And what comes out of public attitudes, I think is kind of revealing though for the
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    | text      = last 20 years or so, about 80% of the population, when they're asked, what do you think the
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    | text      = country, you know, who runs the government or what does it do?
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    | text      = The answer that they pick out of a set of choices is the government works for the few
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    | text      = and the special interests, not the people.
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    | text      = So Chomsky is coming at this with the perspective of like, all right, a lot of people are aware
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    | text      = of this.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = There's a different problem that needs to be addressed.
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    | text      = And that'll come up a little bit later in the interview.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = But Alex, his selected criteria upon which Clinton and Bush are the same is weird to
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    | text      = me.
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    | text      = It's very suspiciously specific.
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    | text      = And unfairly articulated.
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    | text      = No, no, no, no, no.
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    | text      = They're both land grabbers.
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    | text      = They both eat children and then they move on and the, wait, what, hold on.
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    | text      = Did you say land grabbing, I assume is code for conservation.
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    | text      = Either that or eminent domain.
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    | text      = Yeah, that could be at this point too.
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    | text      = At that point, I bet eminent domain was huge on Alex's mind.
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    | text      = Yeah, that could be.
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    | text      = That could be.
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    | text      = And also, I don't know if Bush's early record with EPA stuff was necessarily all that good.
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    | text      = Oh, not good.
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    | text      = Not good.
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    | text      = Drugging the children is the one that's like, okay, you're just talking about like, psychiatric
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    | text      = meds or something?
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    | text      = Yeah, absolutely.
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    | text      = You're talking about Ritalin?
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    | text      = I heard him talking about Ritalin because that was a huge-
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    | text      = But it's not like Bush is putting people on Ritalin.
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    | text      = No, Bush was cramming Ritalin down everybody's throats.
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    | text      = You forgot the No Child Left Behind was, the parentheses was with Ritalin.
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    | text      = I mean, obviously, I think that there's overprescription of meds.
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    | text      = We've talked about that in the past.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = I just don't know exactly what he expects Clinton or Bush to do about it.
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    | text      = Does he want to make it illegal to take the, like, I thought he's for drug legalization.
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    | text      = Does he want more regulation on pharmaceutical industries?
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    | text      = I think he wants you to go the exact opposite direction.
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    | text      = If you're going to get your ADHD meds, you should go to the corner like everybody else
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    | text      = does with their drugs.
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    | text      = I think that's what he's trying to say.
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    | text      = If it's not on the corner, it's not drugs, buddy.
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    | text      = Every other night I go down, I get a fifth of whiskey on the corner.
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = I know a guy, he's got a well-stocked coat.
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    | text      = Where else do you think I get my Lamictal, Dan?
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    | text      = I go down the street, guy opens his trench coat.
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    | text      = It's bizarre.
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    | text      = And again, I think that really illustrates the sort of surface level and cherry-picked
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    | text      = way in which Alex describes the similarity between the two.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = And I think I largely agree with Chomsky's analysis that this isn't, like, groundbreaking
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    | text      = stuff.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = The idea that people have an alienation from power.
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    | text      = Sure, sure.
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = A random person on the street, you think it's the government or our corporate overlords?
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    | text      = And they'll be like, ah, I'm going to go with corporate overlords.
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    | text      = Not surprising to anyone.
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    | text      = So there's a shift in propaganda that Alex has been feeling over the last few years.
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    | text      = And this is weird to hear in 2001, because he says this in much later years, too, that
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    | text      = there's been a shift recently in the last few years.
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    | text      = And that has been from keeping things secret about the globalists to throwing it in your
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    | text      = Ooh.
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    | text      = And Chomsky has brought up the idea of hopelessness, and that hopelessness is a response that people
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    | text      = can have to the idea that the government isn't necessarily serving their interests.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = And that is a larger problem than actually some of the other things that Alex might bring
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    | text      = up.
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    | text      = Helplessness leads to hopelessness.
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    | text      = Not hard.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = And Alex is suggesting that this shift in propaganda from hiding the globalists to throwing
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    | text      = it in your face is a way of facilitating this hopelessness.
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    | text      = There we go.
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    | text      = And Chomsky does not go in for that.
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    | text      = I've seen a shift in the propaganda in the last three years from denying all of this
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    | text      = to throwing it in our face.
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    | text      = Could be, but I think my own feeling is the roots go back farther.
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    | text      = If you go back again to the better, you know, the early part of the 20s, like 1920s approximately,
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    | text      = that's when this really takes off.
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    | text      = Yeah, that's when the public relations industry really exploded.
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    | text      = And it grew on the basis of the very sensible assumption that was pretty clearly articulated
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    | text      = that we have to somehow make sure that the general public does not make use of the democratic
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    | text      = opportunities that are available to them and leaves us to run the place as we've been doing.
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    | text      = And the way to do it was you read a business leaders are saying, look, we have to induce
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    | text      = what's called a philosophy of futility, actually use the phrase.
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    | text      = We have to kind of direct people to superficial things like fashionable consumption.
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    | text      = We have to regiment.
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    | text      = Yeah, it's something, anything that doesn't bother us.
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    | text      = Bread and circus.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = It's just anything like that.
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    | text      = I mean, that's true of leading intellectuals.
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    | text      = I mean, takes a Walter Lippmann, who is the leading figure in the U.S. elite media in
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = the 20th century, major public intellectual, he's the one who invented the phrase manufacturer
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    | text      = of consent.
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    | text      = We borrowed it from him and he thought it was necessary.
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    | text      = It's necessary to manufacture consent in order to make sure that we, what he called the responsible
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    | text      = men can run the affairs of the world without being bothered.
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    | text      = And what he didn't say, but what is crucial is your point.
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    | text      = The people, you become a responsible man if you're serving the interests of concentrated
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    | text      = private power, otherwise you're not.
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    | text      = So when Chomsky is talking about a position and an idea, he's able to bring up the people
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    | text      = who are the proponents of the opposite of his idea there.
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    | text      = He's able to engage with this in a much more thorough way, even in a matter of a minute
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    | text      = than Alex is ever able to deal with any issue.
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    | text      = Yeah, it's very strange to hear somebody talk on this show and then be like, wow, really
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    | text      = smart.
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    | text      = Really smart stuff.
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    | text      = That's a full thought.
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    | text      = Good work, man.
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    | text      = Good work.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Somebody should make you famous.
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    | text      = I don't even know what to respond with.
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    | text      = It's just like, there's an interesting conversation that you could have with Chomsky about these
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    | text      = issues.
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    | text      = Yeah, I would like to talk to Noam Chomsky.
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    | text      = I feel like that's what I'm learning from all of this is that somehow Alex fucking Jones
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    | text      = gets to talk to Noam Chomsky and he doesn't get to listen to me shit-talk him while he's
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    | text      = explaining the world to me.
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    | text      = Well, and that is, life is unfair sometimes.
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    | text      = It is unfair.
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    | text      = It is.
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    | text      = Yeah, this is one of the things that makes this kind of difficult to really even engage
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    | text      = with too deeply as content from my end is that, yeah, I think I can see what Chomsky
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    | text      = is saying.
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    | text      = He's articulating positions clearly.
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    | text      = I think rebutting things would, you know, there's some stuff that I maybe don't entirely
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    | text      = agree with, but you know, it would be a matter of teasing out points to really get to the
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    | text      = bottom of like, okay, well, you know, yes, there is an interest in media, in having people
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    | text      = consumed with superficial things.
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    | text      = Sure, of course.
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    | text      = How much of that is intentional strategy driven by people who want people to be distracted
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    | text      = from larger issues, and how much of that is actively, that is what people want, and there
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    | text      = is a market for that, and you know, people are filling that market.
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    | text      = What is the balance between the two?
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    | text      = Yeah, I mean, it would be hard to argue that the best example of that very thing would
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    | text      = be Trump's tweets.
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    | text      = Like by constantly covering Trump's tweets, they almost ensured he would at least have
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    | text      = a run, have a shot at becoming president.
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    | text      = At the same time, if the public weren't so consumed and so interested with discovering
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    | text      = more and more about his dumb fuck tweets, then they wouldn't be covering it, you know?
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    | text      = Yeah, and to this question, particularly about what he's bringing up about the media and
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    | text      = what Alex Yell's bread and circuses with, is there is a supply component and there's
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    | text      = a demand component, and to ignore either I think is not the full picture, and I don't
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    | text      = think that Chomsky's ignoring the demand picture, it's just not part of this conversation, and
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    | text      = that would be the kind of way I would approach this, and I just, he makes points, and here
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    | text      = are the points.
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    | text      = See now, the problem Alex is, is he had a perfect opportunity to cut into Noam Chomsky
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    | text      = and be like, actually, I think it goes further back than that to Rome with bread and circuses,
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    | text      = Mr. Chomsky!
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = You're not smart enough to figure out the echo on your phone, now are you?
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    | text      = Or hey, Noam, could I tell you about Adam Weisshop and the Bavarian Illuminati?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I'd like to tell you some fucked up ideas I have about the Illuminati, I don't know.
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    | text      = Anyway, I think that Noam Chomsky is able to make points, and so it's a foreign concept
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    | text      = on InfoWars.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Sure, no, it's confusing.
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    | text      = But he brings up the difference of opinion between the sort of elite corporations and
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    | text      = the normal person who has a job, perhaps, in terms of free trade agreements.
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    | text      = One of the major issues for the public, look at Bowles and it's understandable, are these
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    | text      = international economic agreements, the things that are called free trade agreements.
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    | text      = So that's not what they are.
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    | text      = Those are very big issues for the public.
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    | text      = People are very much worried about the trade deficit, because they know that's their job.
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    | text      = China has a 40% tariff on us, we have a 2% on them.
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    | text      = They call that free trade, you're not an isolationist, are you?
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    | text      = No, I'm not.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = But this stuff is not even free trade.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No, but that's what they say.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:37.239
    | text      = That's what they say.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:41:38.239
    | text      = Right, of course.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Now, the point I'm trying to make is this, these are very big issues for the population.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = They're also big issues for the business world, but the population and the business world
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    | text      = happens to be on opposite sides.
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    | text      = Therefore, the issues do not arise in political campaigns.
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    | text      = So like, for example, the free trade area of the Americas, which is an enormous agreement,
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    | text      = very little, a lot of consequences.
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    | text      = That has yet to be discussed in the media.
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    | text      = It's been negotiated for three years.
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    | text      = It finally broke through at the helmet of the Americas meeting in Quebec, there was
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    | text      = such a furor over it, it had to be mentioned.
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    | text      = But it's been under negotiation for a couple of years by corporate managers, by trade ministers
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    | text      = of governments who are basically corporate representatives.
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    | text      = The media know all about it, but they don't want the public to know.
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    | text      = It did not come up in the political campaigns.
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    | text      = The nature of these arrangements has yet to be made public.
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    | text      = I mean, you can sort of figure it out if you do a research project, but these things are
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    | text      = not made available to the public, and it's for a very clear reason.
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    | text      = Our final segment with the professor with solutions coming up.
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    | text      = So things still seem to be going fairly well between them.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = This is stuff that Alex can get on board with.
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    | text      = Totally.
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    | text      = Now, maybe Alex would view this as the consequence of an elaborate shady conspiracy to put this
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    | text      = trade deal in in order to enslave white men.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Whereas Chomsky would look at it more as the result of business interests, those filters
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    | text      = that are brought up in the propaganda model, things like ownership of conglomerates, the
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    | text      = sources of news, the advertising revenues, things like that create a market environment
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    | text      = where it's not in the best interest of the people who may profit from one of these arrangements
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    | text      = to cover it too much.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = If it's something that could be something that would be very unpopular with the normal
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    | text      = voting public.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = One thing I am absolutely seeing that is mitigating what I would think is so much disagreement
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    | text      = is that Chomsky is elucidating the conspiracies that are real that we all know about.
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    | text      = You know, like we all know that billionaires and the government work together to fuck us
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    | text      = over.
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    | text      = That's a normal conspiracy.
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    | text      = That's what they do.
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    | text      = And it's not even like it's not even like their fault.
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    | text      = They're just creations of the system that is propping them up.
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    | text      = And then they continue to, you know, they do that whole thing.
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    | text      = But since he's framing it in that conspiratorial, like these business interests and the government
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    | text      = are all working together to fuck us over, that can be viewed by Alex in the same way
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    | text      = that the metaphor could be viewed by Noam Chomsky.
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    | text      = It's like, oh, you're absolutely right.
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    | text      = There is a conspiracy of the Rothschilds and the government to fuck us over with NAFTA.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = There's enough leeway to this that Alex can still find it useful.
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    | text      = And the audience can still read into it what they want to read into it that fits the sort
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    | text      = of Infowars narrative structure.
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    | text      = Whereas it does not necessarily and it's a lot more boring than the way that Alex would
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    | text      = put it.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = But man, you can absolutely see it like in 2001 that that level of like because the government
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    | text      = is so fucking corrupt and because Alex isn't outright saying he's fighting the devil.
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    | text      = You can go on an Infowars show and say the government's fucking corrupt.
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    | text      = And Alex is like, yeah, the government's fucking corrupt and everybody goes, yeah, the government's
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    | text      = fucking corrupt.
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    | text      = And then 20 years later, you're like, let's overthrow the government.
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    | text      = And it's like, oh, no, wrong.
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    | text      = Because they're working for the devil.
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    | text      = Exactly.
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    | text      = No bill.
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    | text      = You messed up, guys.
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    | text      = Shit.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And I think that this is in that real sweet spot of pre 9-11, but post 2000 election,
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    | text      = where there is so much chaos and alienation in people.
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    | text      = The result of the 2000 election was such a awful...
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    | text      = I mean, it was literally stolen.
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    | text      = It was a moment where scales fell from people's eyes in a lot of ways.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Across the aisle, perhaps, even.
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    | text      = You can't think of...
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    | text      = This is the way that our process is going through.
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    | text      = This doesn't feel right.
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    | text      = Are you telling me that our process has been derailed by Republican aides, fake dressing
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    | text      = up as business people to get rid of...
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    | text      = Wait, are you talking about Roger Stone?
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    | text      = What are we doing?
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    | text      = Is this our government?
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    | text      = Is this how it works?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And you had that period before 9-11 where people were all over the map in terms of their
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    | text      = beliefs about the administration.
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    | text      = Totally.
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    | text      = And I think that people galvanized a lot after 9-11 due to coming together after a national
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    | text      = tragedy.
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    | text      = But this exists in that space before that, where there's a lot of fertile ground for
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    | text      = Alex to take advantage of in political disillusionment.
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    | text      = And so I think that Noam, unfortunately, but I don't know, I don't think he knows too much
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    | text      = about Alex and just thinks that he is kind of like an alternative news guy.
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    | text      = And he says things like, you know, outlets like yours are important to...
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    | text      = But I think that that is a perception that even I certainly had more of a feeling of
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    | text      = four years ago.
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    | text      = Sure, totally.
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    | text      = Because there is a reality that people who are outside of the structures of advertising,
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    | text      = those voices are important.
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    | text      = And sometimes there is value in somebody who's, you know, maybe wrong sometimes, but willing
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    | text      = to take a chance.
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    | text      = Totally.
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    | text      = I think those voices are valuable in the broad spectrum of media.
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    | text      = Totally.
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    | text      = I mean, to Chomsky's earlier point, like, if you recall the media immediately following
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    | text      = that stolen election, like, they quickly were like, hey, you know what, we need to unite
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    | text      = around our president and we need the country to come together.
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    | text      = At no point in time were they like, hey, we can't have a stolen election.
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    | text      = Like that just can't be a thing.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And I guess that opens up another conversation of like, what would it have looked like if
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    | text      = the media had called out the election?
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    | text      = I don't know.
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    | text      = I don't know.
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    | text      = But leaving that aside, I think that Chomsky has a similar tack to, you know, what I had
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    | text      = perhaps before I knew as much about Alex as I do.
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    | text      = And I think a lot of people, if they don't know all that much about him, which is just
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    | text      = like, you're a guy who's on the outside.
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    | text      = You're a fringe guy.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = You broke into Bohemian Grove or whatever.
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    | text      = Maybe I don't agree with you, but there's value in you existing in the media landscape.
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    | text      = And I don't agree with that now.
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    | text      = Disagree.
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    | text      = But you can kind of see that in the way that he's engaging with him.
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    | text      = Radio can be a very important, I mean, it's an extremely important instrument.
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    | text      = There can be real involvement of interchange and that can be a highly important educational
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    | text      = instrument.
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    | text      = And there are others.
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    | text      = I mean.
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    | text      = So it's not just sound bites.
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    | text      = People have to actually espouse ideas.
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    | text      = You know, these are not trivial issues.
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    | text      = You have to really think them through the thing that I mentioned, for example, the international
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    | text      = economic agreements.
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    | text      = You have to think about them, you have to learn about them.
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    | text      = You can't just listen to a slogan and say, OK, that's what I think.
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    | text      = Well, these are unelected, unaccountable international boards controlled by the top 20 corporations
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    | text      = and banks telling us they're going to run our lives.
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    | text      = I mean, that's a horrible idea, but most Americans don't know that.
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    | text      = That's essentially Alex responding to Noam Chomsky saying you can't use sound bites and
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    | text      = catchphrases.
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    | text      = With a sound bite.
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    | text      = More or less.
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    | text      = And a catchphrase.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Ah, man.
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    | text      = So you're telling me that Noam Chomsky told Alex Jones that he's important and Noam Chomsky
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    | text      = won't even talk to me.
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    | text      = That's just bullshit.
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    | text      = It's just bullshit.
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    | text      = It's unfair.
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    | text      = Noam Chomsky, I'm calling you out.
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    | text      = But again, again, if you don't know that much about Alex, you don't actually listen to his
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    | text      = show.
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    | text      = And like I said, I don't know too much about exactly what he was like in 2001.
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    | text      = But you see this in other eras of his career, too.
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    | text      = If you don't know all that much about him, you could get the sense that like, yeah, you're
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    | text      = not just doing sound bites.
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    | text      = You are getting into the issues.
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    | text      = And that is a value of radio.
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    | text      = I do agree with Chomsky on that.
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = But not Alex so much.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = Absolutely not.
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    | text      = The two of them get along pretty well.
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    | text      = They both seem to hate consumerism.
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    | text      = Well, that's like these $150 Nike tennis shoes that are so ugly I wouldn't touch them if
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    | text      = they were free.
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    | text      = But the young people are just begging and have to have them or they're not human.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And if you watch, I mean, I sometimes watch this television with my grandchildren.
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    | text      = What they are subjected to is criminal.
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    | text      = I mean, they're barraged by propaganda, teaching them from infancy that the only thing in life
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    | text      = is getting those tennis shoes or those Pokemon cards or whatever it may be.
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    | text      = And that is really a way to control people in a very ugly fashion.
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    | text      = People have to learn how to escape from that.
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    | text      = It's a hard struggle.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Consumerism is a toxic influence.
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    | text      = And I don't know what's the answer to it.
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    | text      = It's an individual process.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Right?
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    | text      = I mean, it can't be like outlawing advertising.
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    | text      = No, that probably won't work.
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    | text      = I would say one solution would obviously be to scorch the skies and have an AI keep us
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    | text      = inside of egg sacks.
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    | text      = That would be one solution.
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    | text      = Certainly.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Although even then the AI has propaganda inside of it.
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    | text      = So, man, you're never going to escape.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = I think the only way that this is productive as a conversation is addressing it as an individualistic
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    | text      = pursuit of recognizing when those kinds of advertising tricks are being used.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = And being like, yeah, I don't actually want that as much as they are saying I want it.
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    | text      = Or maybe I do.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = You know, like advertising, I think that sometimes is dumb, but I actually do want what's being
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    | text      = sold.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I don't like Taco Bell commercials, but I do want Taco Bell.
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    | text      = I just, all I want is, like, I'm so stoked when I find out something exists that I didn't
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    | text      = know exists.
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    | text      = Like if all commercials were just like, hey, you need to wash your clothes, Tide.
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    | text      = I'd be like, holy shit, I didn't know Tide was out there.
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    | text      = Yes, you did.
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    | text      = That's not the point.
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    | text      = That's not the point.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = I mean, that experience was exactly what I had at the beginning of April when I saw the
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    | text      = commercial for Mortal Kombat.
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    | text      = Yeah, exactly.
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    | text      = It's like, what?
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    | text      = Okay, then we'll watch Mortal Kombat.
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    | text      = I don't give a shit about your commercial.
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    | text      = The commercial is not going to convince me one way or another.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = You're informing me this exists.
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    | text      = Just tell me.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = That's all I needed to know.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = But I think that people can do that.
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    | text      = They're very capable of doing that, and I think that that is what the message that Chomsky's
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    | text      = bringing in many ways is, is thinking, is recognizing and being able to work around
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    | text      = these things because you can't really stop them.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:53:19.039
    | text      = And the fact that you can't stop them is what feeds into helplessness.
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    | text      = You can't get rid of advertising.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = You're not going to get rid of public relations firms.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = That isn't going to happen.
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    | text      = Because, I mean, even think about it just from a structural, actual perspective.
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    | text      = How would that happen?
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    | text      = How could you do that?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = You couldn't legislate away those kinds of...
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    | text      = I just don't know.
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    | text      = It would be impossible.
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    | text      = Oh, ooh.
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    | text      = Turn all the electricity off.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:53:48.840
    | text      = Then people would just make pamphlets again.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:53:50.119
    | text      = Ah, they couldn't do it without electricity to run their printers.
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    | text      = No, they'd just go back to the old cha-chunk.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Get rid of presses.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Get rid of ink.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Get rid of ink!
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Wow, you're good.
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    | text      = So I think that the path away from helplessness that I'm hearing is self-motivated, self-driven,
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    | text      = and the ways that intellectuals and public speakers can be of help is helping people
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = recognize that it is a path out of this conundrum as opposed to, and sure, there's institutional
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = things you can do, like perhaps break up large media entities.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:29.719
    | text      = Certainly there's organization and things you can do on that front, but the idea of
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    | text      = getting rid of the influence that is this negative consumerism is not likely.
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    | text      = No, that is, yeah, it's not going back in the box, Pandora.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = This clip was really weird.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I don't understand exactly what Alex is saying, but I have some thoughts on it.
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    | text      = Take, say, these trade agreements that are coming along.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = One crucial part of them is to take what are called services and hand them over to private
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    | text      = power.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:03.800
    | text      = Well, services are just about anything that people would care about.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = You know, health, education, water, excuse me, I don't like anything that would be in
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = the arena, in the public arena where people would not want to make decisions that has
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = to be taken out of the public arena, put into private hands, unaccountable private hands,
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    | text      = and then, you know, what's left for the public is which kind of shoes I buy.
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    | text      = But these private corporations are taking on governmental power and take the lower Colorado
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = river authority here in Texas, they're private, but they have SWAT teams and will arrest you.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:43.000
    | text      = And it's the ultimate tyranny and then they say, hey, we're a corporation, you can't see
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    | text      = our records.
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    | text      = That's right.
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    | text      = You can't ask questions.
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    | text      = I think that what Alex is talking about is the lower Colorado river authority is like,
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    | text      = you know, like dams and like electric power plants.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I think he's talking about like guards around the area.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Right.
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    | timestamp = 00:56:09.039
    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = I'm not entirely sure.
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    | text      = I think that's what he, cause they have like private security.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = But what Chomsky's bringing up is privatization, essentially, and Alex is opposed to that,
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    | text      = but he also hates big government.
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    | text      = Whereas Chomsky's answer to this is public ownership and Alex would be staunchly opposed
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = to that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = He'd rather die than publicly own a business.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = He doesn't have a coherent answer to this because on the one hand you have public businesses
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = or private businesses, should you allow private business for necessities?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Should you allow air to be privatized?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:47.480
    | text      = Should you allow water to be privatized?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Alex should be opposed to that, but also opposed to the alternative.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = It doesn't seem like Alex has a clear way out of his bullshit whenever cornered by Noam
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:01.800
    | text      = Chomsky.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:02.800
    | text      = Someone who does have a position.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:06.039
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = What you do is you wiggle and Alex tries to bring up the difference between a democracy
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    | text      = and a republic.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:13.340
    | text      = This is a classic right wing fun time.
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    | text      = So Alex is bringing up the difference between a democracy and a republic to Noam, can I
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:23.559
    | text      = read that?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:24.559
    | text      = What's the name again?
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    | timestamp = 00:57:25.559
    | text      = Chomsky.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:26.559
    | text      = Noam Chomsky?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Oh, that's who I would do it.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:28.559
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I wouldn't do it against that other guy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:31.019
    | text      = It doesn't go well.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:32.019
    | text      = Ah, that's not surprising.
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    | text      = And I would say that this is the turning point of the interview.
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    | text      = This is where things go like, Oh, we're on thin ice.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:40.079
    | text      = I hear Republicans, Democrats saying democracy, that's a semantical deception.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:43.039
    | text      = The founding fathers said a democracy is horrible.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:45.760
    | text      = It's two wolves and a sheet voting on what's for dinner.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:48.639
    | text      = A republic has a rule of law, separation of powers, a bill of rights that you can't violate
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:54.440
    | text      = and the democracy 50% say, 51% say all the black people are killed or all the white people
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:59.119
    | text      = are killed.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:00.119
    | text      = It's done or take that farm.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:01.119
    | text      = It's done.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:02.119
    | text      = Uh, right there.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:03.119
    | text      = I mean, we hear this word democracy all the time.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:06.119
    | text      = Well, we're a Republican.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:07.119
    | text      = There's a big difference.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:08.119
    | text      = Uh, actually, I think the real issues are elsewhere.
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    | text      = I mean, the distinction between Republican democracy that you're describing was not really
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:58:17.239
    | text      = what concerned the founding fathers, what they were concerned about.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:20.280
    | text      = He reads a James Madison, the main Kramer, what he was concerned about, but he wanted
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    | text      = to have a system in which power would lie in the hands of what he called the wealth
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:30.360
    | text      = of the nation, uh, the more capable class of men.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:34.519
    | text      = Uh, and the reason was because the goal of government, this phrase is to protect the
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:40.880
    | text      = minority of the opulence against the majority.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:44.280
    | text      = So the system was designed to try to ensure that the wealth of the nation would essentially
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:50.360
    | text      = be in control and that the general public would be fragmented and marginalized and so
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    | text      = on.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:56.239
    | text      = Now you look over the course of time, middle class flourish here though, professor, pardon
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = the middle class flourish here, uh, 4% of the population would have the middle class
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    | text      = flourish.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:06.639
    | text      = Well, that's, you know, that's not the middle, 4% of the population is in the middle class,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:11.360
    | text      = middle class.
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    | text      = It'll, but I think, look, so Alex is having trouble now because Noam has, uh, pointed
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    | text      = a finger at the founders in a way that Alex cannot handle.
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    | text      = Uh, um, yeah, so Alex rebuts that a middle class flourished here.
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    | text      = And he, because of right wing policies, Dan, and his evidence of it is that 4% of the population
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    | text      = of the world and we had half of the wealth.
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    | text      = And I think Chomsky doesn't understand what he said because he said 4% isn't the middle
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    | text      = class.
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    | text      = And if he heard Alex saying 4% of our population had half of the wealth, then that would be
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    | text      = the response that would be given.
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    | text      = But I still think even if he had accurately heard what Alex said, I still think that what
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = The 4% that had all the wealth wasn't necessarily the middle class.
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    | text      = They were very much not the middle class, uh, on account of there were only 4% of them.
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    | text      = Uh, no, no, the 4% is 4% of the world's population.
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    | text      = Oh yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = That's the way that Alex is meaning that.
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    | text      = Gotcha.
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    | text      = Gotcha.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Um, so you leave the 4% aside.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = And if he did have half the wealth, it wasn't like evenly distributed among the population.
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    | text      = There may have been a fairly comfortable, uh, middle class.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I would argue the, uh, slave population probably wasn't taken care of as well.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = At that point.
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    | text      = Um, this, this issue with the founding fathers is the beginning of what is going to become
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    | text      = a tear in the fabric of friendship.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Um, we have, uh, this, this, uh, conversation, it ends up going to guns because of course
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    | text      = it does.
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    | text      = Oh no, it's not going to go to guns.
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    | text      = Almost immediately.
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    | text      = Almost immediately.
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    | text      = Of course it does.
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    | text      = I think, look, over the centuries, there's been a lot of struggles against this elitist
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    | text      = concept, and the options for public participation did increase substantially.
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    | text      = But was it elitist for them to say that we would all be armed and have the right to keep
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    | text      = and bear arms?
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    | text      = Well, you know, that's not what they meant back at that time.
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    | text      = What they meant is you read the second amendment, they said, in the context of raising malicious
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    | text      = people should have the right to bear arms.
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    | text      = Now that's, we're living in a different world, you know, we're not raising malicious.
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    | text      = The question whether people should have arms is a separate issue.
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    | text      = I mean, in fact, here, the United States is off spectrum of international society.
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    | text      = Uh oh, uh oh, uh oh, Gnome, Gnome.
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    | text      = Did you just say internationals are the way?
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    | text      = Gnome, Gnome.
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    | text      = Gnome!
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    | text      = Gnome!
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    | text      = Gnome, you have, Gnome, you have hit a very dangerous button, and you can't undo this
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    | text      = now.
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    | text      = Nope.
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    | text      = You have just told Alex that his interpretation of the second amendment is wrong.
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    | text      = New world order.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = New world order.
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    | text      = Oh no, turns out Gnome Chomsky's a shill.
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    | text      = The United States is off spectrum of international society.
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    | text      = Do you think people are hopeful, I mean, are you hopeful that folks are going to wake up
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    | text      = to this system?
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    | text      = I think people, again, like I said, maybe I'm naive, but I think that people more or
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    | text      = less understand it, and what they feel is helpless, and they have to be able to overcome
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    | text      = that feeling of helplessness, and there are ways of doing it.
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    | text      = You know, in the past, people have organized, they have struggled, they've achieved rights,
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    | text      = we have all kinds of rights and freedoms that didn't exist not long ago, and that's because
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    | text      = people were not willing to just sit back and take it, but to organize, learn, act, educate,
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    | text      = do things to change the world so that it's their concerns and needs.
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    | text      = We have the opportunity to do that, and we're very privileged, we live in a society where
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    | text      = people are not controlled by force, that's an extremely important privilege.
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    | text      = Well, Mr. Chomsky, I have to be honest with you, and I really appreciate you coming on,
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    | text      = I want to tell folks about some of your publications and let you get back to work, but right there,
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    | text      = it seemed like a group think hurting mechanism when you talked about the guns, and you said,
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    | text      = well, I think America, the US, is off from the main line of the rest of the world, as
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    | text      = if, oh, we're a little backwards if we still have guns, I mean, that's that whole group
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    | text      = think right there.
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    | text      = So Alex is trying to express this notion that, you know, you're trying to shame America about
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    | text      = guns based on the notion that the rest of the world is more civilized because they don't
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    | text      = have guns, and this is just anathema to Alex, he has decided that if you present that kind
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    | text      = of a position on his show, you're fucking chill, and Alex throws out, literally, a great
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    | text      = degree of agreement.
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    | text      = Oh yeah, no, it's all gone.
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    | text      = What guns!
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    | text      = What could have led to a second interview, probably could have led to a decent, I mean
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    | text      = eventually would fall apart, but there wasn't hostility here, there was someone who has
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    | text      = a different perspective on some of the similar themes that Alex talks about.
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    | text      = Yeah, no, I mean, the moment Noam said, we live in a country where you can't control
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    | text      = people by force, all I saw in my head was Alex pulling a gun and saying, you take that
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    | text      = back, and it's like, well!
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    | text      = Look, guns are not about force, they're about politeness.
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    | text      = Exactly.
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    | text      = So even that, when Alex is saying that, you know, like, hey, this is, you're trying to
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    | text      = pull out some groupthink, even that, Chomsky is pretty generous and measured with his response.
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    | text      = As if, oh, we're a little backwards that we still have guns, I mean, that's that whole
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    | text      = groupthink right there.
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    | text      = It could be, again, I don't think it's an obvious question, and I think we'd really
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    | text      = have to talk about it and think it's true, but if you want my opinion, I think they're
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    | text      = much too easy to get in the United States.
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    | text      = But England's crime rate just doubled three years after they took all the guns.
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    | text      = Well, see, the United States does not have a particularly high crime rate.
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    | text      = It's been sort of toward the high end of the spectrum of industrial societies, but not
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    | text      = out of range.
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    | text      = The one real difference between the United States and other countries is killings with
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    | text      = guns.
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    | text      = So, it seems like Chomsky is just ignoring Alex's obviously misrepresented stats about
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    | text      = Yeah, he's not taking the bait.
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    | text      = No, and he's framing the conversation where he believes it's more important, which is
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    | text      = deaths, gun deaths, which is out of pace with other industrialized countries.
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    | text      = Yeah, Alex isn't the first person to come at him with that bullshit.
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    | text      = Doesn't seem like it.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = So, he might be the first, Alex might be the first person to come with this, though.
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    | text      = The one real difference between the United States and other countries is killings with
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    | text      = guns.
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    | text      = Not anymore.
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    | text      = Yeah, it's very high here as compared to other countries.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Look at The Economist no longer.
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    | text      = We're number 12.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = England and Australia are number one and two now.
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    | text      = In deaths by guns?
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    | text      = Yes, now they are.
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    | text      = I don't think so.
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    | text      = London is now more dangerous.
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    | text      = Only the last three years.
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    | text      = It wasn't three years ago.
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    | text      = You're right, three years ago.
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    | text      = It's now worse than Washington, D.C., sir.
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    | text      = In deaths by guns?
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    | text      = Yeah, I have about four different universities, three different governments.
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    | text      = Australian, Europe, statistical data.
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    | text      = It's all on Infowars.com right now, professor.
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    | text      = Okay, I'd take a look, but if that's the case, I'd look at the reasons, and I would suspect
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    | text      = that the reason is that there has been an increased availability of guns.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = If there's going to be an increased availability, then there are going to be crimes using guns.
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    | text      = You're right, sir.
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    | text      = They outlawed the guns, and so now the criminals...
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = They've always had guns outlawed.
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    | text      = So now the criminals have a reason to bring them in because the black markets made it
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    | text      = very lucrative.
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    | text      = See, I don't think the guns were always outlawed, and even the police didn't have guns in England
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    | text      = until very recently.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Oh, people had guns over there?
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    | text      = No, look, in England, even the police were not armed with guns until fairly recently.
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    | text      = Professor Chomsky?
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    | text      = The police didn't have guns.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = The people had handguns and rifles.
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    | text      = They just confiscated them three years ago.
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    | text      = No, that happened, and it was an effort to do that in Canada.
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    | text      = That's a different story.
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    | text      = I mean, look, this is a big issue, and we have to look into the details of it.
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    | text      = I really don't agree with you about the facts, but these are factual questions.
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    | text      = We could settle it.
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    | text      = I have the facts.
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    | text      = Well, I'd love to debate you on it.
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    | text      = Real quick, tell folks about some of your books and publications.
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    | text      = That is a we're done here.
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    | text      = Tell me about your publications.
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    | text      = If there's more availability of guns, then there's more gun deaths.
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    | text      = No!
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    | text      = I see, I think that there's a really, not bizarre at all, very foreign to info wars
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    | text      = situation going on where he's talking to a person who is staying on the one thing that
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    | text      = they were talking about, which is deaths by guns, Alex's fudging statistics, making stuff
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    | text      = up.
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    | text      = Yeah, you brought up a different issue.
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    | text      = Hey, tell people about your books.
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    | text      = I'm going to have to let you go.
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    | text      = But what Chomsky is doing is being overly charitable.
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    | text      = He's not saying, Alex, you're a fucking liar.
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    | text      = You're making stuff up.
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    | text      = He's saying, I would need to take a look at that.
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    | text      = And if that is the case, here is a potential explanation for why that could be the case.
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    | text      = And then Alex has taken that potential explanation that Chomsky has for his fictitious stats,
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    | text      = explanation for his fictitious stats.
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    | text      = Yeah, I think I would have said something along the lines of, if England and Australia
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    | text      = are one and two in gun deaths, I will eat a bowl of my own shit, you idiot.
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    | text      = I bet you a million dollars.
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    | text      = I will take that bet.
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    | text      = So Alex, what he's doing is he's talking about the Firearms Amendment Acts of 1997 in England,
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    | text      = which were passed in response to the Dunblane massacre, where a man in his 40s carried out
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    | text      = a mass shooting at a primary school.
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    | text      = The strategy that they employed was not to confiscate guns, but to ban future ownership
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    | text      = of most guns and let the valid licenses that were active lapse and not be renewed.
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    | text      = In response, a ton of people voluntarily turned in their guns, and Alex is pretending that's
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    | text      = a confiscation.
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    | timestamp = 01:09:37.840
    | text      = And it did make more guns illegal to own, but there's been some pretty strict rules
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    | text      = about guns in England predating this.
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    | text      = Like, Noam Chomsky's not far off.
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    | text      = Alex could get him on a technicality if he was saying that all guns have always been
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    | text      = illegal or whatever, but spiritually he's not off.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = No.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Cops shouldn't be armed.
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    | text      = Now that having happened, Alex decides, I think I'm going to hang up on this dick.
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    | text      = Really do appreciate you joining us.
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    | text      = I would just say this, one big part of controlling the thought process and the debate where the
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    | timestamp = 01:10:16.720
    | text      = rat thinks it has a choice, you can go forward, left, right or back, but it's still in there
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    | timestamp = 01:10:20.319
    | text      = system, is having people out there talking about this propaganda state in Madison Avenue
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    | text      = and only pointing out certain parts of it and misdirecting people back into the big
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    | text      = government paradigm.
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    | text      = And frankly, sir, you need to get the information on the guns, on the land grabbing, on all
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    | text      = of it, because I have it right here and I respect your work, but at the same time, just
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = here talking to you, I think some of it isn't as honest as it could be.
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    | text      = Well, you know, that's for people, others to decide when they look at it.
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    | text      = He is.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = My audience is pretty well educated.
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    | timestamp = 01:10:51.920
    | text      = Thanks for joining us.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:10:52.920
    | text      = Say hi to David Rockefeller for me.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:10:55.439
    | text      = Wow.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:10:56.439
    | text      = What a dick.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:10:57.439
    | text      = What a complete dick.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:10:58.439
    | text      = Yeah, now.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:10:59.439
    | text      = What a bizarre end to this interview.
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    | timestamp = 01:11:00.439
    | text      = Excuse me, sir.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:01.439
    | text      = I'm going to agree with you for about an hour, but it turns out that you disagree with me
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    | text      = on guns.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:16.640
    | text      = So you work for David Rockefeller, you lying piece of shit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:19.479
    | text      = I hope you die.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:20.479
    | text      = I hope you die.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:21.479
    | text      = Click.
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    | timestamp = 01:11:22.479
    | text      = And something that I think is really admirable is the way that Chomsky responds to that.
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    | text      = Like Alex is basically calling him a liar and he's like, well, I guess people just figure
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    | timestamp = 01:11:31.399
    | text      = that out.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:32.399
    | text      = I'm not going to engage with your, your, your attempt to get me to fight with you or whatever.
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    | timestamp = 01:11:37.119
    | text      = Exactly.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:38.119
    | text      = I like that.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:39.239
    | text      = Excuse me, Alex.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:40.600
    | text      = You realize I'm gnome Chomsky?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = His pulse didn't even go up at all.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Nope.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:47.640
    | text      = Nope.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I think, I think you're controlled opposition and a real dick and a liar.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:52.000
    | text      = Uh, well, I understand your point of view.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I think, uh, people will be smart enough to look into it and see the difference here
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:11:58.279
    | text      = and gnome Chomsky.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:00.119
    | text      = You're wrong, buddy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:01.119
    | text      = Say hi to David Rockefeller.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:03.180
    | text      = You busted.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:04.180
    | text      = So now that he's gone.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:05.840
    | text      = Now we get to talk shit.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:06.960
    | text      = Oh yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:07.960
    | text      = Oh yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:08.960
    | text      = There goes gnome Chomsky, ladies and gentlemen.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And I've read his books and now I'm more sure of it than ever.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:13.800
    | text      = He's a new world order shill up one side and down the other.
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    | text      = Oh, I never had guns in England.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = They most certainly did.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Certainly gun ownership wasn't as prolific.
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    | text      = I mean, how many, I mean, you've seen the video that's been on nationwide of them cutting
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    | text      = the guns in half over there, confiscating the handguns, the rifles three years ago.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:38.880
    | text      = We've read the reports, the economist world net daily.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:41.239
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = So I mean, just speak freely once he's gone.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I've read his books now.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I know for sure.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:47.239
    | text      = So wait, was the idea to get him in there and then find something to disagree with and
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    | text      = then declare him a shill?
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    | text      = I think it has to have been because he has to have like, if, if, if what Alex is saying
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:12:59.399
    | text      = is true and he's read Chomsky's books and suspected that he was an NWO shill, then it
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = would have to be like, I'm just looking for a point of disagreement in order to make you
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    | timestamp = 01:13:09.199
    | text      = an enemy.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:10.199
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:11.199
    | text      = That's not, that's not cool.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:12.199
    | text      = I would have suggested that when he was talking about one of the books that you supposedly
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:18.119
    | text      = read would be the time to say that, Hey, I think after having read your book, you're
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:24.319
    | text      = a shill.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:25.319
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:26.319
    | text      = I don't like your position on anti-communist.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:27.319
    | text      = Exactly.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:28.319
    | text      = Yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:29.319
    | text      = It'd be very simple.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:30.319
    | text      = All of my favorite people are anti-communist as hell.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:33.640
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:34.640
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:35.640
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I, I, I thought that this was really strange, um, Alex, I don't, I don't know what he was
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    | timestamp = 01:13:48.399
    | text      = doing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:49.399
    | text      = I'm, I'm, I'm completely perplexed.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:53.399
    | text      = There's so much agreement.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:54.680
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:55.680
    | text      = Now, Alex would have to give up a lot of the sort of more fun elements of his conspiratorial
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:01.319
    | text      = nonsense if he were to continue engaging with Chomsky.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:05.439
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:06.439
    | text      = Because a lot of this stuff would fall apart.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:07.439
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:08.439
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:09.439
    | text      = A lot of it would.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:10.439
    | text      = And, and some of the, the more real, uh, sort of dynamics that Chomsky could bring to the
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    | text      = table are not necessarily as exciting or lucrative.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:20.359
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:21.359
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:22.359
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:23.359
    | text      = And maybe there isn't value in it for Alex to be an ally of Chomsky.
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    | timestamp = 01:14:26.760
    | text      = Right.
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    | timestamp = 01:14:27.760
    | text      = Right.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:28.760
    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = No, I mean, it's hard for me to imagine that he did this interview as a trap in order to
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    | timestamp = 01:14:32.760
    | text      = create this moment at the end.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:34.680
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:35.680
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:36.680
    | text      = It just, it doesn't make sense.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:37.680
    | text      = No, it really doesn't.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:39.479
    | text      = It also doesn't feel angry enough for it to be like a visceral response on Alex's part
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:44.359
    | text      = where he's just like, fuck it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:45.680
    | text      = I'm just mad at this guy.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I mean, it kind of feels like if, if I were running it here would be my kind of a game
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    | timestamp = 01:14:56.119
    | text      = plan there, which is if you and Noam Chomsky have an awesome interview, then you get to
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:02.720
    | text      = say Noam Chomsky is a fan of yours.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:05.159
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:06.159
    | text      = And that legitimizes you to a lot of people.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And it would help Alex's arguments of, you know, being above the left right paradigm.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:12.760
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:13.760
    | text      = If you get into a fight with Noam Chomsky, you got into a fight with Noam fucking Chomsky.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:18.359
    | text      = A one-sided fight.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:19.520
    | text      = And a lot of people will be like, hell yeah, man.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:22.319
    | text      = So Alex really can't lose in this scenario.
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    | text      = I do think that the extreme right elements of Alex's audience, which is certainly more
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    | text      = of the keystone of it than anything, would not like the idea of being friends with Noam
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    | text      = It's, I honestly, I've listened to this interview a couple times and I don't really know exactly
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    | text      = I'm not sure.
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    | text      = It makes no sense to me.
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    | text      = And maybe there was a decent chance that what we saw there with him being like, sir, you
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    | text      = know, I believe that this is a group think and, you know, I think that you're not being
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    | text      = as honest as maybe that's 2001 Angry Alex.
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    | text      = Could be.
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    | text      = You know, like maybe we're just judging it based on the bombastic performances of the
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    | text      = Maybe that's how he was an angry dick back then.
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    | text      = How many years had he been doing this?
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    | text      = Not long.
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    | text      = Not too long.
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    | text      = He's inexperienced.
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    | text      = I mean, I wasn't, I didn't get mediocre at comedy for seven years.
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    | text      = So you can't imagine him being, you know, right out the gate, the bombastic disgusting
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    | text      = human being that we expect today.
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    | text      = And the years of substance abuse and globalists and hot tubs have certainly created the character
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    | text      = that he is.
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    | text      = I don't know.
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    | text      = Anyway, here's the last clip.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I had the spanking there at the end and I certainly enjoyed it.
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    | text      = Really?
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    | text      = Chomsky.
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    | text      = Really?
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    | text      = I've got a cold order shell and I've got twice the brain you've got with both arms tied behind
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    | text      = Makes sense.
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    | text      = I tell you these people, it makes me want to puke.
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    | text      = Our founding fathers were elitists.
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    | text      = They wanted to protect the elite.
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    | text      = They were bad.
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    | text      = That might not have been the right thing for him to mock.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = They owned humans.
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    | text      = So they definitely wanted to protect owning humans.
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    | text      = I think that if you take anything away from this, it's Alex's contention that he has more
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    | text      = brains with both hands tied behind his back.
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    | text      = Man.
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    | text      = A completely meaningless brag.
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    | text      = It really couldn't get more obviously incongruous for someone to say, look how smart I am.
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    | text      = I'm going to use a cliche that could not less apply to the very thing that I'm saying I'm
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    | text      = smart about.
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    | text      = I think that really kind of sums it up.
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    | text      = And honestly, strategically it even sums up what I look at.
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    | text      = There are very few times that I take a look at something that happened in Alex's past
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    | text      = and I'm just completely flummoxed.
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    | text      = And I really don't know why this happened the way it did.
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    | text      = It's confusing.
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    | text      = I don't know.
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    | text      = And I don't think I have any answers.
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    | text      = I would like to know how the Booker got Noam Chomsky.
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    | text      = I think a lot of people are more gettable than we think.
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    | text      = That's probably true.
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    | text      = I think that a lot of folks that you might want to talk to, it would just be a matter
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    | text      = of a couple emails.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I mean, considering how much free time I could make at the drop of a hat, I imagine public
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    | text      = intellectuals are in a very similar spot.
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    | text      = Maybe a little bit less free time than you.
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    | text      = Maybe a little bit less free time than me, specifically.
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    | text      = The paragon of free time, Jordan.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I think about how differently history could have gone if Alex and Noam became buddies
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    | text      = instead of Steve Pacanich and Noam Chomsky.
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    | text      = You're not going to get as many big swings from Noam Chomsky.
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    | text      = I believe-
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    | text      = Why not?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Steve came into the fold in 2002.
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    | text      = This is 2001.
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    | text      = Wow.
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    | text      = So this is pre-Steve Pacanich.
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    | text      = Hey, we got to get a new Noam Chomsky.
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    | text      = Get Steve Pacanich in here.
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    | text      = Dude, if the infinite universes is real, there is a universe-
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    | text      = The multiverse theory.
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    | text      = Where Steve Pacanich is played by Noam Chomsky on the Alex Jones show.
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    | text      = How does that go?
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    | text      = Do you think Noam Chomsky gets crazier or Alex gets less crazy?
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    | text      = I mean, if you go solely based on this interview-
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    | text      = Sure, sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I think Alex gets less crazy.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Because to me, Chomsky seems immovable.
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    | text      = No, he's got a heart rate 120 over 80 all day, baby.
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    | text      = He does not seem to care too much and is willing to elucidate positions and clarify things
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    | text      = while discussing things with Alex.
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    | text      = And I think that that would not...
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    | text      = He would disappear before he got crazier because of Alex, I think.
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    | text      = I think Alex believes that he is the waves that could wear away the rock, but instead
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    | text      = it is Noam Chomsky.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And to be honest, I think Steve was crazy when he showed up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Oh no, of course.
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    | text      = I think Alex didn't make him more crazy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Steve was crazy when he was working for the State Department.
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    | text      = Probably.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = When he killed Aldo Morrow.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = They were all probably like, this guy thinks he killed Aldo Morrow.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:20:33.039
    | text      = He did kill Aldo Morrow.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That's true.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:20:36.840
    | text      = So anyway, Jordan, we will be back.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:20:40.479
    | text      = This has been a long overdue checking this box off.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Oh yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And I wish I had more to bring to it, but I honestly don't.
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    | text      = I think it's just an interesting glimpse of public intellectual...
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    | text      = It really is.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Having a conversation with Alex that it steps on a number of commonalities between where
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = sort of critical historical study overlaps with, you know, pseudo-conspiracy, you know,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = and where there is distinction and where there's departure.
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    | text      = And I think you also get a really solid glimpse of, even in 2001, Alex is so sensitive about
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    | text      = guns.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:21.000
    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And it may be one of the only things that really means anything to him.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:24.680
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:25.680
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And to a certain extent, you know, so many men treat guns as an extension of toxic masculinity,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:34.760
    | text      = so maybe that's even more, like, at the deepest level.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:21:38.079
    | text      = It's just toxic masculinity.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:39.479
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:40.479
    | text      = You know?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:41.479
    | text      = Or property rights.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:42.479
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:43.479
    | text      = It could be a symbol of the idea of personal private property.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:47.359
    | text      = Sure, sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:48.359
    | text      = I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:49.359
    | text      = Totally true.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:50.359
    | text      = But it's strange.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:51.359
    | text      = It's strange that he had to make a fight out of essentially a decent point.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:21:56.239
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:57.239
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:58.239
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:59.239
    | text      = Anyway, we'll be back, Jordan.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But until then, we have a website.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:01.520
    | text      = We do have a website.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:22:02.520
    | text      = It's knowledgefight.com.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = We are also on Twitter.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = We are on Twitter.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:05.640
    | text      = It's at knowledgefight.com.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Go to bed.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = We're also on Facebook.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:08.640
    | text      = We are on Facebook.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:22:09.640
    | text      = If you'd like to download the show, please go to iTunes and et cetera.
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    | text      = And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:17.119
    | text      = doing God's work.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:18.119
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:19.119
    | text      = We'll be back.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:20.119
    | text      = But until then, I'm Neo.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:21.119
    | text      = I'm Leo.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I'm Dizzy X. Clark.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I'm Daryl Rundis.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:24.119
    | text      = And now, here comes the sex robots.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:25.119
    | text      = In Kansas, you're on the air.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:22:26.279
    | text      = Thanks for holding.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Hello, Alex.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I'm a first time caller.
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    | text      = I'm a huge fan.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:30.279
    | text      = I love your work.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I love you.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:32.279
    | text      = I love you, too.
}}

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