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    | title         = [[197: Jared Holt from the Sh!tpost Podcast]]
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    | episodeNumber = [[197: Jared Holt from the Sh!tpost Podcast|197]]
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    | text      = Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding
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    | text      = Hello Alex, I'm a person color I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight
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    | text      = I'm Dan no Jordan in the studio right now. He has gone home for the evening
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    | text      = He is fulfilled his eight-hour shift here at the podcast
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    | text      = And he has clocked out put his little time card into the machine went to chunk
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    | text      = And he locked up when he left he mopped the floors and we appreciate his service. I have no idea
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    | text      = I am here though to do a little introduction for a bonus episode that we got for you here today
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    | text      = We have the privilege and the luxury sure why not the pleasure of sitting down with Jared Holt from the
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    | text      = The shit post podcast which you can find all over wherever
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    | text      = Podcasts are found, but be forewarned that it is shit
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    | text      = But with the I is an exclamation point
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    | text      = so that is something to consider when you're trying to find this and I believe that
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    | text      = At the end of this episode when we're doing plugs. I may have talked over him while he was saying his plug
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    | text      = I apologize so now we're doing it up top
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    | text      = It was a really great time a real thrill a treat to sit down with somebody
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    | text      = I have a little conversation somebody especially who spends as much time
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    | text      = Looking at and focusing on and digging into the world of Alex Jones as I do and he also has
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    | text      = far more
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    | text      = Scope to the things he looks into with you know monitoring and looking at right-wing
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    | text      = Propaganda, so there's a real nice real nice time to sit down with him, and I thank him very much for his time
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    | text      = Please do check out his podcast
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    | text      = and
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    | text      = Yeah, I don't I don't know I was going to go to the mailbag and listen to some voicemails, but
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    | text      = As I sort of thought about it
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    | text      = I realized that that feels a little bit weird without Jordan here, so we'll get back to you know some policy wonk shoutouts and
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    | text      = Some some voicemails from the good people out there when he is back in studio
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    | text      = But for now, please enjoy this very special
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    | text      = Bonus episode of the podcast with Jared Holt check out his podcast
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    | text      = Shit post podcast and do follow him on Twitter at Jared L. Holt guys
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    | text      = Thanks for listening, and we will be back with the regular episode real soon. I'm a policy wonk hello
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    | text      = Yeah, it's great to be doing a show with somebody who?
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    | text      = Watches as much Alex Jones as I do I don't come across that very often me, too
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    | text      = It's a rare thing in this world in this day and age
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    | text      = to read
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    | text      = Alright fine
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    | text      = Yeah, I find it very difficult generally to have a lot of conversations with people because I I end up knowing too much about
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    | text      = Various worlds they're unsavory to most people
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    | text      = Yeah, it's it can be kind of tough right. It's like
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    | text      = The this is almost like an alternate reality in itself, and I feel like once you get that in your brain. It's hard to
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    | text      = Understand how other people wouldn't know it
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    | text      = Like you guys you guys there's all this
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    | text      = It's like you know you have a friend who takes mushrooms for the first time and they they tell you about like everything that you're
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    | text      = missing out on and
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    | text      = It's all just sort of illusions. I've made a point that the only person
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    | text      = Who Dan could actually speak to is Alex Jones, and they would try and kill each other
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    | text      = They would cancel each other out like antimatter and matter
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    | text      = But why is that oh
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    | text      = Because Dan spends as much time listening to Alex Jones talk as Alex Jones listens to himself talk that may actually be fair
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    | text      = I I spent I basically study him full-time now and have been for the better part of two years, so
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    | text      = You know really digging into his narratives really trying to unpack where they come from
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    | text      = And really just doing research into what's the source of this? It's
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    | text      = something I don't think a lot of people care to pay too much attention to
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    | text      = So have you read the book them by Ron Johnson John Ronson's book John Ronson? Yeah?
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    | text      = I haven't read all of them
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    | text      = but I've read a lot of excerpts and I listened to tons of interviews of him talking about Alex and the perspective that he has is
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    | text      = It scares me a lot because I think that he could do a lot to take Alex out quite frankly
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    | text      = Yeah, or at least ruin his image in front of his audience. I don't know if he does enough
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    | text      = Yeah, like if there's one guy that I want to go on info Wars. I think it's him. He's been on a bunch of times
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    | text      = Oh really? Yeah, yeah, he comes on almost as a
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    | text      = a
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    | text      = amused observer of Alex he
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    | text      = I guess probably because he has that sort of documentarians distance. He never is too pointed about like Alex
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    | text      = You know you're making this stuff up to his face, but
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    | text      = Yeah, I don't I don't understand why he would go on, but he has a bunch you know
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    | text      = Like Ron Johnson has that sort of documentary approach. How did you get into this originally?
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    | text      = Well, I I made the mistake of watching info Wars coverage of the election in 2016
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    | text      = and
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    | text      = Through a bit of a coincidence. I just saw the ugliness that was behind it
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    | text      = I was trying to amuse myself because I thought like for the most part political
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Pageantry is a little bit boring and so why not spice it up with Alex Jones screaming about stuff
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    | text      = I thought that would be a lot of fun
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    | text      = But then you get you look too closely at it a little bit
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    | text      = I think you see what it's really about and what I saw was
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    | text      = Just an organization that was dedicated to reinforcing whiteness and maleness
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    | text      = against the supposed other of equality and it really bummed me out and
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    | text      = So I just started started trying to dig into it and at the time me and Jordan
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    | text      = Were hanging out a lot and drinking a bunch and screaming at each other at bars
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    | text      = And so we just decided to do that
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    | text      = No at the time it was actually the complete opposite because what was going on is Dan and I had this weird
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    | text      = Intense friendship that would last one night
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    | text      = And then we wouldn't see each other for six months like we would get together and we would talk for like seven hours
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    | text      = And I'd be like, okay cool. Goodbye. So this was for me like a lot of an excuse just to hang out
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    | text      = Yeah, so those those sort of things merged a little bit our desire to hang out with each other
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    | text      = helped create the show and then my
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    | text      = My theory my working theory from about two years ago that Alex was operating a sort of
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    | text      = chauvinist white supremacist organization
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    | text      = Media corporation. So that was sort of the jumping-off point for my research and nothing has disproven that yeah, it's only been reinforced greatly
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    | text      = So if I get what you're saying
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    | text      = You watch Infowars for the friendship, yeah
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    | text      = Like the original conceit for the show is I don't know anything about Alex Jones like what Dan told me was my entire
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    | text      = you know entrance into the world and
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    | text      = It has I would go so far as to say ruined my life in a very positive way. Yeah
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    | text      = Yeah, that's the that's sort of the
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    | text      = the slogan of our show
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    | text      = Go to bed somehow. Yeah, I think go to bed turned into our unofficial catchphrase. Yeah, it's it's it's interesting
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    | text      = I mean it has brought a lot of joy and wonderment to my life
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    | text      = But at the same time I'm sure you can relate to I'm sure you have probably a similar experience with all the research that you do
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    | text      = on your end
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    | text      = about how
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    | text      = becoming aware of these
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    | text      = These these worlds makes you realize how much more there is even beyond this that you don't even know about
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    | text      = Right. It's a it's like so I have sort of a similar background where it's probably two or two and a half years ago
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    | text      = I first hopped aboard the Infowars train popped my brainforce plus and sat down to
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    | text      = Just consume the Alex Jones show in almost its entirety like every day
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    | text      = And then on Mondays, I would like watch the week and stuff
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    | text      = My secret to it is playing it at like one and a half speed
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    | text      = That's smart. That's smart
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    | text      = Dan has not figured that out yet
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    | text      = I have actually recently had someone tell me that's what I should do and I'm I think I'm gonna have to but
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    | text      = Yeah, I play it fast and then I skip the commercials and you can like crank through an episode of the Alex Jones show if you're dedicated
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    | text      = in like an hour and a half
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    | text      = But
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    | text      = Some of the stuff I've picked up is really similar to this stuff
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    | text      = You've picked up. I've you know, it's hard not to see these like white nationalist tropes
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    | text      = Oh, yeah, and also like you said this sort of chauvinist
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    | text      = Mentality exhibited on air both through like the the character of Alex Jones and also through
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    | text      = Some of the guest selection and some of the recurring themes that show up every week on the show. Um, and it's like most recently
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    | text      = Uh, they've paired with the proud boys, which is gavin mckinnis's group
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    | text      = Oh my friend they have been on the proud boys tip for a long time. Yeah, I mean last year
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    | text      = Uh early last year gavin mckinnis was on and the only thing I really remember about that appearance was uh
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    | text      = He was trying to make the argument that most blackface was reverent
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    | text      = Uh, it was actually a very respectful thing to african-americans what I remember about that episode was screaming a lot at you for
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    | text      = Making me aware of the fucking proud boys. Yeah, that was a tough tough guy
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then like and now recently he's been just having like random
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    | text      = Proud boy members on oh like like a rufio stick man or uh, yeah, like like like rufio who was in portland
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    | text      = Oh, sorry hook can't get away from it
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    | text      = Yeah, I mean he's having people on that have you know gotten into violent altercations with counter protesters and stuff and like
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    | text      = Is sort of glorifying
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    | text      = that and rewarding that with what you know became over the years a national platform
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    | text      = I will tell you this the biggest mistake that you have made is
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    | text      = Not listening to the commercials because they might be my favorite part if you skip through the commercials you miss some
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    | text      = Some gold here and there less less nowadays
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    | text      = But back in the past you used to have a lot of really fun commercials diamond gusset jeans
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    | text      = Is my favorite thing that has ever existed. Yeah, he had an advertiser called diamond gusset jeans that uh
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    | text      = We did some research into and found that all of their customer reviews were I ordered a large, but this is a medium
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    | text      = They just said like every one of them is just like I got a random pant size and then whenever I sent it back
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    | text      = The shipping was like 30 bucks and they didn't send me anything
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    | text      = Other pants like it's fantastic and then back in like 2009 or so too
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    | text      = He was uh, one of his sponsors was the most high family ministry, which is like a legitimate cult
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    | text      = Uh that was running a real elaborate scam operation
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    | text      = Uh, and he took him on as a sponsor like those sorts of things are pretty fun
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    | text      = But I generally I agree with you. You should skip the commercials nowadays like with the brain force. Oh, yeah
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    | text      = Yeah, there's not much not much uh juice in those berries, but I think that's a good thing
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    | text      = Yeah, there's not much not much uh juice in those berries, but the ad pivots when he goes into a screaming rant
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    | text      = About how everyone's coming to kill you and they're gonna take your children and they're gonna take them into the basement
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    | text      = And they're gonna do horrible things to them and it's everybody's going to die and everybody's going to be destroyed
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    | text      = By the way, uh, we have easter specials still on shipping. Yeah free shipping. It's really good
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    | text      = You can get brain force. You have no idea globalists will destroy you if you don't give me money
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    | text      = Super male vitality is about making your dick hard all the time
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    | text      = My favorite person who does the ad pivots is roger stone whenever he's guest hosting. Those are beautiful
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    | text      = Have you seen those he's a smooth smooth daddy roger stone
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    | text      = I hate roger stone and yet in the same way I kind of view him reverently as a trickster god just dancing around the earth
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    | text      = So discord wherever he goes
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    | text      = No
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    | text      = Yeah, he has the nature of like sort of uh gentleman grifter absentee father. Yeah, that's true. I can see that
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    | text      = There's a little bit of a feel like that. Oh god. Did you just psycho analyze me in a way that I don't feel comfortable with?
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    | text      = I apologize
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    | text      = He's good, I I think that that's a lot of his just inborn slickness that roger has and then also he's very uh,
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    | text      = Chameleon-esque so he's taken on a lot of those uh affectations that alex already had with those smooth
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    | text      = Smooth transitions to an ad it's interesting to see that sort of like infowars virus infect people like owen shroyers
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    | text      = We can watch him right now sort of starting to learn how to do the pivot not doing not doing great
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    | text      = No, but it's still it's coming in there. He's he shows a little bit of potential
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    | text      = I still maintain that the only person who is going to make it through this whole thing somehow unscathed is roger stone
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    | text      = Like he's going to be a cockroach at the end like even if the nuclear bomb hit austin
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    | text      = Austin he'd just like slink away fine
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    | text      = Yeah, he'd just like crawl out of the sewer and be like we've got some excellent specials in the info war story
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    | text      = Yeah, pretty much undoubtedly
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    | text      = um, so yeah, I um
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    | text      = I don't know. I it's it's kind of interesting because uh as we go through, uh, I try and approach alex and this whole like
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    | text      = Studying that that we're undertaking with as much of an open mind as I can an open heart
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    | text      = I try not to condemn him too quickly, uh without cause
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    | text      = um and and so it
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    | text      = It's weird because every episode or so, you know every few episodes definitely we end up learning things that are sort of
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    | text      = transformative in terms of our understanding of alex like we
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    | text      = We learned not too long ago that he's had at least 10 abortions in his life
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    | text      = Not him personally. He's paid for at least 10 abortions. Not like he's some kind of mr
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    | text      = Mom, like arnold schwarzenegger not like that kind of thing and and more troublingly
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    | text      = He did say on air that some of the women who got these abortions didn't want to did not want it
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    | text      = And so there's things like that that you learn and it sort of reframes how you look at alex jones the character and the man
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    | text      = um
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    | text      = And I bring this up because I don't know if you were listening to his show on monday of this week on uh
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    | text      = Uh on what would that have been or oh, sorry tuesday on the 21st. Did you did you listen to that show by chance?
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    | text      = Um, i'm thinking I i've been a little bit busy with other stuff and I have to go back but
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    | text      = I'm trying to remember if I got to that one
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    | text      = I'd like to i'd like to see if I can play a clip for you because we have a goddamn doozy
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    | text      = Um, this is this is something that uh, I think everyone needs to know about let me see if this uh, this will play for you
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    | text      = You google would google would love to have me arrested and killed guaranteed. See i've never killed anybody
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    | text      = Technically one guy
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    | text      = Technically I didn't
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    | text      = Did that come through that didn't come through oh no god damn it our tech issues are terrible
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    | text      = Spark spark notes it for me
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    | text      = I'll send it over to you suffice it to say alex jones, uh confessed on air that he might have killed somebody in his life
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah to give you a rundown of the clip it's him going like I guarantee google would kill me
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    | text      = Guarantee, and i've never killed a guy
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    | text      = Except that one guy. I mean technically I didn't kill him, but he had some health issues and he didn't later but technically
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    | text      = I didn't
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    | text      = And you're like what uh, what?
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    | text      = So
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    | text      = Yeah, it always amazes me like the weird personal details that alex lets out because like if you remember back to
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    | text      = uh, you know his custody trial when was that like
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    | text      = Good, good year ago or so, right? Yeah, I would say about a year ago
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    | text      = Yeah, uh whenever his lawyers like gave this uh deposition that alex jones is a character
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    | text      = Uh, you know played by alex jones. He's like playing himself or something. Yeah, uh
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    | text      = You know, it's it's very easy to see what infowars is doing as sort of stage art in a way
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    | text      = But every once in a while like yeah these weird details come out that don't seem like it's acting and
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    | text      = They're a little startling. I I think that i've reached my malcolm gladwell tipping point of uh time listening to him
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    | text      = I think i've gotten to a point where I can pretty well suss out when there's like when he's saying something he thinks he shouldn't say
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    | text      = or when he's lying and I generally find that when he's lying about something he adds a bunch of
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    | text      = Extraneous details and fleshes out the story really well
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    | text      = And when he's telling the truth, it's something like that where he's like I never I never killed a guy. Well, there's one guy
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    | text      = Anyway, I technically didn't yeah. Anyways, the chinese are destroying all of us, but I didn't kill a guy
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    | text      = That's the sort of thing that leads me towards like this is this is not an act. This is somebody struggling
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    | text      = Somebody struggling
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    | text      = It just brings me back to that claim that
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    | text      = Uh, alex jones made that he like slept with 200 women by the time he was like 16. Oh, yeah
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    | text      = You'll remember that I kind of oh, we remember that I kind of believe that with a little bit of embellishment
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    | text      = On his end, you know, it's probably more like maybe 40 or 50 or something like that, which is still too many
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    | text      = Right too many but one of the reasons that I believe that is because he's described
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    | text      = Uh a childhood that was full of trauma, uh, you know in terms of when he was a young boy
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    | text      = He talked about one time he got stuck under a house and they were fumigating the house
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    | text      = And he was just stuck. He was like trapped under a house with
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    | text      = Extermination chemicals and he got he got hit in the head when he was really young with a giant rock
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    | text      = Yeah, and then it was like a cinder block
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    | text      = Yeah, he talks about how his uh, his mom when he was six, uh kicked uh kicked him off her knee and said you don't get
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    | text      = Love anymore. That was my favorite
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    | text      = Uh because she wanted him to be a man and not a mama's boy about goddamn knock
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    | text      = He also may have killed his dog. Uh, he had a dog named knock. Uh,
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    | text      = And he very graphically described uh killing him, uh on one episode. It was weird. Yeah
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    | text      = So when he talks about having sex with tons of women, uh, pre, you know younger than you know, most people would consider normal
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    | text      = I I think that you you take into account a sort of very chaotic childhood and it doesn't
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    | text      = It doesn't seem that far out of like what the consequence or the you know
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    | text      = The result that you might expect from someone like that and let's face it. He was hot. He was when he was younger
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    | text      = He was super hot. Yeah
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    | text      = Oh, man
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    | text      = Yeah, I can see where you're coming from
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    | text      = And then even further like he talked about uh for like not just in that conversation where he was talking about
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    | text      = He was talking about how many women he'd slept with before he was 16
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    | text      = He also uh when he had mike rotondo on the guy who was 30 years old and his parents
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    | text      = Uh sued him to get him out of the house
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    | text      = um
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    | text      = Alex was trying to give him a pep talk and he said that by the time he was 12 he'd already become a man
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    | text      = saying that he had had sex at 11 and
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    | text      = whether or not you know you want to
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    | text      = You know
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    | text      = It's probably he thought it was a good idea
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    | text      = But even so you know sexual activity at that young of age could be very traumatic
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    | text      = No, he's he's lionized his own sexual abuse
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    | text      = Like he was truly sexually abused and he's playing it off as like a his words as truth
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    | text      = Like what he's describing is a child being victimized, right? Absolutely. So
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    | text      = that that sort of thing is always like
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    | text      = You know, he says he'd had sex with 150 women. Maybe he has yeah
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    | text      = Yeah, I mean what are you gonna do? It's awful that he considers that a brag. Yeah, but
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    | text      = I don't know. So i'd be interested to hear like you seem to
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    | text      = you know, you have the perspective that like
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    | text      = uh, alex jones
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    | text      = has experienced a
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    | text      = Seemingly major trauma in his life. Oh, absolutely
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    | text      = uh
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    | text      = You know and it's it is sort of fascinating to see that play out in the form of a
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    | text      = daily broadcast
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    | text      = You know, I how do you see that play out like during infowars segments
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    | text      = I think that one of the ways is that he manifests like really childish thinking like the way he
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    | text      = um
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    | text      = creates artificial cause and effect all the time that sort of thing, um his leaps of logic and his just inability to
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    | text      = Under like he always refers to primary sources and stuff like that, but he never actually understands the context that those sources come from
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    | text      = Um, and it's very adolescent. So I would say that to some extent the entirety of his show is a manifestation of
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    | text      = Someone who's frozen in time. Yeah. Yeah a kind of intellectual arrested development, uh, where he's just not able to wrestle with nuance
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    | text      = He's very angry
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    | text      = Um, he feels like he's lost something and he's mad at some nebulous entity out in the world
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    | text      = Yeah, he feels has deprived him of that
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    | text      = He really does like if you if you read so much about serial killer like backstories
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    | text      = He has so similar
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    | text      = uh
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    | text      = Uh a childhood that you're like, well at least you didn't kill like 15 people like that's just one in theory. Yeah
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    | text      = Yeah, practically technically technically just one
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    | text      = Allegedly alleged by Alex. No, no, it's it's a
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    | text      = Confessed by Alex
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    | text      = Because I I don't know it's uh
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    | text      = It's it's tough to say because you have these sorts of things and these these trends and you
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    | text      = You kind of want to give somebody a bit of pity
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    | text      = Uh, but at the same time it's very difficult when you actually listen to what he puts out into the world and how
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    | text      = He's affected a lot of people. Yeah
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    | text      = So i'm actually interested. How did you start doing this? Was this like, uh work or did you just become fascinated by this?
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    | timestamp = 00:22:41.579
    | text      = Alex, um, it was a little bit of both. Uh, I used to work at this place called, uh media matters for america
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    | text      = Soros
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    | text      = Yeah, uh
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    | text      = Nazi collaborator Soros
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    | text      = Oh my god, I I went to an alex jones press conference when he was in dc one week and it was like recently
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    | text      = Yeah, it was uh earlier this year lucky duck
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    | text      = Oh, dude, that was that was an experience. Yeah, and once he figured out who I was
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    | text      = He just went off
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    | text      = Um on you specifically
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    | text      = Yeah, he like singled me out in the crowd and he's like that guy works for a nazi
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    | text      = collaborator
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    | text      = I think I saw this in the live feed. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, that was me. Congratulations. Yeah, I know we're we're very
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    | text      = Excited for you
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    | text      = Yeah, it's uh, that was a hell of a day
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    | text      = uh
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    | text      = but
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    | text      = Yeah, so I started uh
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    | text      = doing stuff with media matters and
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    | text      = You know, there's like a weekly
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    | text      = sort of mix of stuff I had to listen to like rush limbaugh sean hannity alex jones and I just thought the info war stuff was
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    | text      = More interesting. Yeah, or at the very least more entertaining
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    | text      = Oh, yeah, it was like watching a daily train wreck
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    | text      = Um, so I sort of stepped on that and now that uh, you know, I do work at a place called, uh,
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    | text      = Right wing watch which for the money to or for the record does not get soros money. That's good. Good to know
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    | text      = I don't think alex cares but no, no, no, absolutely not
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    | text      = and
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    | text      = I just sort of stuck with it, I guess and
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    | text      = I thought about like different ways
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    | text      = I could approach it any time he's in the area or at an event that I think I might go to
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    | text      = I try to work that angle into it and
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    | text      = Try to figure out how it fits into the broader info wars universe or or zeitgeist
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    | text      = Uh
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    | text      = Yeah, and something that's like become really fascinating to me i'm interested to hear your thoughts. It's just sort of
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    | text      = You know this
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    | text      = trauma
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    | text      = inspired train wreck that happens on air every day like the sorts of people that it attracts because
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    | text      = alex jones has mega fans and he has a lot of them that will travel to like go see
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    | text      = Him or other info wars hosts at different events
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    | text      = And it's always the most curious bunch of people
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    | text      = How so
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    | text      = Well, it's a lot of live streamers first off
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    | text      = That was like that's something i've noticed at a bunch of events is this people with their own sort of spin-off live stream
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    | text      = right-wing conspiracy theory styled shows
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    | text      = That you know are there to hopefully interview alex jones or meet out alex jones or try to get a job with alex jones
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    | text      = One thing I think that that that sort of triggers in my mind is like that really makes sense because most of alex's
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    | text      = Employees came from contests that he ran like uh lianne mackadoo and david knight were both people that came into the fold through
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    | timestamp = 00:25:57.799
    | text      = Contests and hoehen schroyer came aboard because he was making like antagonistic youtube videos and he got no idea what he was doing
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    | text      = Youtube videos and he got in touch with alex millie weavers, uh, I believe fairly similar
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    | text      = So a lot of his actual employees feed the myth that like if you just go find him and you're doing something
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    | text      = He'll bring you aboard and then even beyond that
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    | text      = um back in back in the day
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    | text      = Most of his callers, uh, like nowadays they'll call in and be like alex
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    | text      = I want to tell you that alpha brain is the best. Uh, and now here's my question whereas back in the day
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    | text      = You'd get callers and they'd all be like hey alex. I'm putting together an infowars rap album. Can I plug it?
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    | text      = That was fun. Everybody would call in with their own thing and plug it. So alex was kind of like, um
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    | text      = A distribution center like his web or his radio show was like this place that you could get your thing out
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    | text      = And I think he really encouraged that ethos in his audience. So I'm not too surprised to hear that now
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    | text      = Uh, the youtube streaming stuff has become so much more prevalent that that's still the case what's more interesting?
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    | text      = More interesting, uh, not to not to one-up you like a douchebag
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    | text      = Uh, what I find more interesting is how much he openly disdains his listeners hates them
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    | text      = he hates his listeners like anytime somebody calls in there's a certain expectation of like
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    | text      = You're gonna say some dumb shit and i'm gonna have to pretend that it's okay
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    | text      = And he'll just often just cut people off and and act like his own narrative is what you were talking about
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    | text      = And it'll just be like hey, did you know that uh space is owned by dogs who live in their own home?
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    | text      = Well, yeah, of course I did and that's why the chinese are running everything now and you're like that's you didn't engage with that
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    | text      = Yeah, he does that a lot. He does that even to his own guests sometimes. Oh, oh, yeah
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    | text      = There are probably only like five or six guests that i've seen that he always gives deference to and always gives respect
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    | text      = There's like the rogers of the world. There's this guy named steve quail who's like this weird, uh, religious
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    | text      = Prophet of some sort alex never cuts him off treats him like a king. Well, he's a prophet. How can you cut off a prophet?
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    | text      = Yeah, you don't cut off the profit. That's just rude like
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    | timestamp = 00:28:09.180
    | text      = Did you think uh, elijah was cut off all the time? Hell no
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    | timestamp = 00:28:13.339
    | text      = You listen to what elijah has to say. I don't even know if he died. No. Nope. Probably not by the way
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    | text      = By the way, did you guys book that profit for this? We have a we have a we have a profit loss statement
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    | timestamp = 00:28:26.700
    | text      = All right. All right. I'm gonna move on
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    | text      = Yeah, something told me that like mine was gonna be here but I don't know man, I guess I guess I was wrong
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    | timestamp = 00:28:36.299
    | text      = Profits are notoriously, uh flaky. That's what i've found
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    | text      = um, the uh
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    | text      = The guest that I would say is my favorite. I think uh, just because of the the weirdness
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    | text      = I don't know how much you have uh, wrestled with uh, steve pocanik. Are you uh, are you aware of steve pocanik?
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    | text      = I am
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    | text      = I'm, sorry to hear that
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    | timestamp = 00:28:57.259
    | text      = Most people aren't and they should be you know, like alex jones ever. He's on everybody's lips. Everybody's writing
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    | text      = uh big write-ups about him and and all this and no one really knows
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    | text      = The nature of like one of the big sources of his narrative now admittedly the most interesting that steve pocanik ever did was uh
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    | text      = get a call from alex in the middle of a hurricane and
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    | text      = Bitch out at him like for the first time steve pocanik was just like great alex. Yeah, sure
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    | text      = We're gonna talk about your narratives right now. I'm in a goddamn hurricane
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    | text      = There was a was it uh during it was that florida hurricane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not too long ago
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    | text      = Uh, alex called him, uh to do an interview on the show and as soon as they started talking steve was like alex
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    | text      = I thought you were calling to ask how i'm doing
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    | text      = Doing
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    | text      = He was personally offended by it it was fantastic
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    | text      = Yeah, but steve pocanik uses his like
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    | text      = Former like state department status to lend info wars credibility
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    | text      = which if you don't know who he is and like how far out he is that
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    | text      = That could
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    | text      = If you're gullible, I guess or susceptible or new
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    | text      = To who this guy is that could be a little concerning. Yeah, and like even as recently as like
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    | text      = I don't know six months ago or so
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    | text      = He was on david knight's show real news and was talking about how sandy hook is fake
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    | text      = Which is kind of running counter to alex's efforts to like let's not talk about this ever. Oh, yeah, so, uh,
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    | text      = He yeah steve pocanik's, uh, he's a wild man
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    | text      = The only thing that saved alex there is david knight's show is too boring to listen to ever. Yeah
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    | text      = Yeah, I skip it most of the time. It's a wise decision
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    | text      = Guys a human quaalude. Yeah, I don't think we talk about anybody but al all of his co-hosts and all of his like guest hosts
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    | text      = We all just like nah hard pass. You're not crazy enough
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    | text      = They don't have it no and but that's also part of alex's hiring strategy is he's always going to hire people who he feels like
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    | text      = Aren't a threat to his supremacy like the closest one is a
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    | text      = What's his dumb face?
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    | text      = No, no, no the british prison paul paul joseph, watson. Yeah
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    | text      = Yeah, who's who should be lit on fire and then just peed on forever and it's a even that guy is
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    | text      = Is too much of a ponce to ever really, uh compare to alex's intense, uh, uh toxic max masculinity
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    | text      = But uh, I do have to admire paul's dedication to the brand, uh, whenever he's like
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    | text      = whenever he like made this video about
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    | text      = soy boys or whatever and
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    | text      = Someone pointed out that the infowars brainforce thing that he's always selling contains soy
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    | text      = And he just doubled all the way the fuck down
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    | text      = He's unflappable. You gotta respect it. Oh, yeah, absolutely
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    | text      = He has the he has that kind of smugness that you can't punch out of somebody, you know
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    | text      = Like it it's just he has he has that face that just drives people crazy and he knows it and that's his weapon
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    | text      = It's it's really
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    | text      = It's great. Uh, it really works with his like really fast edited videos that he puts up, you know
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    | text      = it really is good for like trying to piss off people and and uh,
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    | text      = You know sort of invigorate the base that likes to piss off other people
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    | timestamp = 00:32:18.619
    | text      = yeah, uh, but put him in front of the camera for like five minutes without fast cuts and he's
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    | timestamp = 00:32:25.180
    | text      = He's kind of hopeless. Yeah, he's not really very good without his editor. That's that's his real talent is like
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    | text      = like understanding the the attention span necessity like he is willing to
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    | text      = Cut and and almost by himself go at 1.5 times speed, you know
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    | text      = Like you can he can say something really boring
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    | text      = But he says it's so quick that you you skip over the stuff and you're like, oh, he's he's saying something racist here
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    | text      = Yay, yeah, so I you know
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    | text      = So paul has like main, you know mastered the art of creating outrage and
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    | text      = Alex jones, I think attracts people like just because he's so eccentric
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    | text      = but
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    | text      = you know sort of circling back to this question of like
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    | text      = Who watches infowars? I you know, you sort of had that
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    | text      = Uh, you know, you called it like a malcolm gladwell analysis of alex jones. Um
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    | text      = And i'm curious what you think
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    | text      = you know the history and
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    | text      = mannerisms of alex jones might be able to tell us about
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    | text      = Uh his viewership at least in the most general sense. Oh, I can tell you dan has the uh serious answer to this one
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    | text      = Well, I I think that it's uh, it's changed over time. Certainly. I think that uh, probably
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    | text      = You know in the probably late 90s. It was a lot of really hardcore militia folk who were listening
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    | text      = Um, and then as you got into the early 2000s
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    | text      = I think you probably could make a case that there were a lot of dyed in the wool libertarians and there were
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    | text      = There were a lot of people who were dissatisfied with uh, george w bush
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    | text      = So he even probably had some weird, uh left-leaning libertarians, uh in the mix
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    | text      = And then as soon as obama got in I think you you saw um white
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    | text      = Uh, you saw a real shift, uh in terms of that, uh, but I still think you maintain a lot of the libertarian folk
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    | text      = Um, I don't know exactly when things changed. Uh, because I haven't I haven't listened to all the episodes that he's ever done
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    | text      = Um, but I know from looking at online communities now and hearing comments about him now
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    | text      = There are tons of people who think that um, he's sold out. Uh, and is a shill
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    | text      = Uh, particularly for israel people make that argument a lot. So I I don't know I
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    | text      = the true believers in terms of like his fan base, uh of the of the like
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    | text      = The libertarianism that he uh embodied years ago. I think a lot of those people have left him
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    | text      = I don't really know what his fan base is like outside of
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    | text      = Sort of scammy opportunists like those uh, youtube streamers you were mentioning
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    | text      = Um and people who are full of hate
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    | text      = Um, I don't i'm not sure exactly. I think he's most emblematic of the republican party as it is now
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    | text      = like his brand is
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    | text      = overtaken by the uh, the fox news and all of that stuff because prior to
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    | text      = uh trump's ascent into
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    | text      = A a global monstrosity his brand was cruelty his brand was
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    | text      = His brand was whatever it is. We can do to hurt the weakest members of our
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    | text      = Society is what we need to do and they've overtaken that so now he's kind of left with this
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    | text      = this weird, uh
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    | text      = sovereign citizens white nationalists
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    | text      = Uh, uh people who want to say they're not anti-semitic yet at the same time are so anti-semitic and then of course, uh,
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    | text      = artificially inflated russian bot
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    | text      = uh, uh views like one of the my biggest theory is that
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    | text      = nobody but us actually kind of listens to him like I think
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    | text      = I think it might be you and dan who are the only people who listen to what he has to say
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    | text      = And everybody else kind of puts him on or or doesn't as background music
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    | text      = Like what we found out is he's now that he's off youtube and facebook and all that stuff
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    | text      = He's on like 30 radio stations to give or take in large, uh to medium markets. Yeah, who's to say?
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    | text      = How many like 200 population towns he might be on like a little transistor or something, but that's a medium market
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    | text      = No, i'm saying that he might have a ton of little tiny towns. Yeah, uh around the country where he's broadcast
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    | text      = um, but I I did an analysis of
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    | text      = of major and medium markets and found he's he his radio
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    | text      = Reach is much smaller than he pretends
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    | text      = Yeah, and something i've been watching as you know, since alex jones has been pulled off of all these platforms
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    | text      = You know there was like a relative spike in interest and you know
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    | text      = In as a result traffic to the infowars site like right after that happened
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    | text      = Um now it's starting to fall back down sort of closer to the normal range
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    | text      = And i'm wondering if it'll stay at that normal range or if we'll see that start to dwindle
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    | text      = well, it's like it's like when bright bart, uh, when the uh, the artificial when they had to remove the
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    | text      = There's an article about uh, how the uh, there was a suspicious pattern in bright bart's traffic where they went up. Uh,
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    | text      = almost at a uh
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    | text      = Vertical line in their traffic rate, uh, and then stayed around that level and then uh, like I don't know
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    | text      = I think it was like nine months later
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    | text      = They had a another vertical line downward in their traffic that clearly indicates artificial inflation of traffic
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    | text      = And I I don't I don't know. I I I don't know what to expect from alex. I know that
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    | text      = Whatever interest he got like with him bragging about being the number one app, uh and stuff like that
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    | text      = Uh, that was even overblown
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    | text      = He was the number one in the trending apps because everyone was running to it like rats trying to get off a sinking ship
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    | text      = They needed something to hold on to um, but I I I think
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    | text      = I think candy crush is still number one or whatever it is
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    | text      = I think I think back to normal is probably uh, where you're going to be for a bit especially because the midterms are coming up
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    | text      = I think that he has a built-in narrative about that. I think people are still invested in trying to
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    | text      = Uh see him through on whatever, uh
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    | text      = Story like whatever the storyline of this season of the show is yeah with his i'm a free speech martyr and that stuff
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    | text      = Uh, yeah, I think that was season five of madmen. Yeah people want to see the conclusion of it
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    | text      = Um, and then I think you'll probably see diminishing returns either way whether the republicans win
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    | text      = Uh in the midterms or they lose control of the house and senate. I think either way alex kind of
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    | text      = Loses a lot of momentum and a lot of natural interest
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    | text      = So, uh info wars being pulled off, um
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    | text      = Some of these bigger platforms, uh a little bit of a disclaimer I had sort of what ended up being
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    | text      = A little bit of an accidental role. Yeah, you were the you were the spotify guy. What?
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    | text      = Yeah, I was the one who got spotify
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    | text      = No shit, and then that like just sort of snowballed and I had no idea it was going to turn into what it turned into but
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    | text      = I had no idea it was going to turn into what it turned into but here we are today
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    | text      = i'm curious to get
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    | text      = someone else who like understands the info wars universe's
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    | text      = take on like
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    | text      = what now like
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    | text      = or like
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    | text      = You know, how does this affect the brand?
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    | text      = hmm
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    | text      = my my
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    | text      = Uh simply on as as somebody who doesn't study it and is only there to react on it and create my own
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    | text      = nonsense theories
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    | text      = I think he's uh actually done
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    | text      = Like I don't think he's because right now he's the cause for so many of these people and as we know from any cause
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    | text      = uh twitter and and all that stuff is going to
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    | text      = Let it go after a couple of weeks and once he stops being the cause
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    | text      = Uh, the the cause celeb as it as it was he is just going to disappear
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    | text      = And it's just going to be people even the ones who are hardcore listeners are going to wind up getting bored
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    | text      = Because as we've listened to over uh over the recent
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    | text      = uh episodes
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    | text      = He's really kind of putting out the same nonsense and it's it's not as much fun. Yeah
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    | text      = before he uh
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    | text      = Uh got taken off
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    | text      = Um, I mean, I feel like what you what you did and I believe I believe it was inadvertent and everything
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    | text      = I don't think that you were like gunning or anything like that. I believe you're a hero
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    | text      = But anyways, well, I I think that uh what you uh, in essence did was kind of forced the narrative forward
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    | text      = Because he was in a bit of a holding pattern and by him getting kicked off stuff
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    | text      = He's able to progress to the next logical step, which is i'm a victim. I am
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    | text      = Uh, the the first target in terms of free speech x y and z and when that started to happen
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    | text      = um one of my firm convictions, I believe
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    | text      = uh at the time and I still believe this would be the case was that he needed to use that as
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    | text      = A jumping off point to do something else that he needed not like turn on trump or anything like that
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    | text      = but he needed to respond to that change in the status quo by
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    | text      = Now really going full lenny bruce
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    | text      = Like getting down to the brass tacks
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    | text      = Sitting on his show as boring as it may be reading over regulations reading over
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    | text      = Terms of service agreements or something like that, you know trying to like make it make himself
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    | text      = a respectable legitimate argument
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    | text      = Because he never does that and when we started to listen to the episodes after he got kicked off of like facebook and youtube
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    | text      = You just saw him doing the exact same things and like it's just yelling about the chai comms
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    | text      = screaming about how soros is evil
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    | text      = Uh, just doing the same like I gotta sell my fish oil all that stuff and when I saw that I just
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    | text      = I got the sense that like he's either waving a white flag of surrender or he doesn't realize that he's already dead in the water
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    | text      = There's nothing there's nowhere to go past
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    | text      = the end of this narrative
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    | text      = If that makes sense
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    | text      = The the most exciting moment, I think for us with alex in in present day
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    | text      = In present day was whenever he said that uh, trump shoved isis up his dirty asshole
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    | text      = That was the night that trump bombed syria. Yeah, because we were we were both watching him in this. Uh,
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    | text      = transformation from crazy guy who screams about
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    | text      = chimeras and shit
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    | text      = In and then becoming just the guy who's a partisan hack
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    | text      = Who's just like hey the republicans are great and all of this stuff and all the leftists are trying to kill you kill you
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    | text      = And on that night we we could have seen the real turning point for him
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    | text      = He could have changed his narrative and become something so much better than what he is right now. It wouldn't have been better
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    | text      = Well, I mean more more interesting more entertaining I suppose no because that less repetitive that night when he was crying drunk on air
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    | text      = Screaming about trump as we say shoves, uh isis up our dirty assholes
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    | text      = Um, the the option that he would have then is to turn on trump and be like i'm going to fix this
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    | text      = I'm going to be the hero, uh, that's needed and and in reality what you need him to do is shut up
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    | text      = Yeah, you you helped make this mess that we're in we don't need you to clean it up
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    | text      = He's like a baby who knocks over a bottle and then doesn't know how to clean but he's trying like oh, let me help
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    | text      = Let me help you just be like baby go sit in the corner. I'll take care of this
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    | text      = Just adults need to step in you know, i'm not mad at you
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    | text      = yeah, no because like
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    | text      = if I am remembering that same night, which I assumed that I am it's a
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    | text      = He didn't use that to turn on trump or really defy him in a major way and said it was like trump
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    | text      = We love you. We elected you for a reason but
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    | text      = But this wasn't good
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    | text      = No, no by the end of the night. He was very much like, uh, we got we're on our own now that kind of thing
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    | text      = He was he was putting out. Uh, granted. He was pretty drunk and needed owen shroyer to sit there by his side
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    | text      = To keep things going uh and moving forward you could you could see owen shroyer's look of surprise after every sentence
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    | text      = He said of just like
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    | text      = What?
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    | text      = No, we should have had a production meeting. I believe at one point owen was like, hey alex. We should probably get off air
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    | text      = Oh, wait, wait, I remember this. Yes
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    | text      = It went on for another hour. Yeah, he played me that clip and I was like, oh, it's certainly going thank god
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    | text      = Some or not. Thank god like like oh, it's a good thing that some reasonable person is getting alex off the air
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    | text      = And alex is like bad. No. No, I got more shit to say and and yeah
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    | text      = So by the end of that he was in full turn on uh flip on trump mode
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    | text      = Um, and then the next day he got on his show and said, uh, you know, hey, everything's cool
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    | text      = Uh, we still support trump, but this is stupid that that sort of thing. Dan's theory was that roger stone texted him
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    | text      = Furiously or called him all night trying to convince him. Otherwise
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    | text      = That's that's part of my theory I have some other theories about that but
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    | text      = Maybe that isn't me. Oh, I I think I found this is this when he's like, uh,
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    | text      = Donald trump shit his fucking pants at the fucking moment
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    | text      = Shit all over everybody is yes
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    | text      = That moment right so good. Yeah, there's some
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    | text      = So he did some strong work that night. That was a real non-fucking cult for donald trump
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    | text      = That was that was a good night. Okay. Yeah, I remember this
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    | text      = That was like one of the last most recent times that i've been like, that's alex, baby. Yeah
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    | text      = Yeah, exactly. That's my boy because we did we did investigate not we dan investigated, uh, 2015
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    | text      = 2015 um, and we did this whole long series because
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    | text      = 22 episode series. Yeah
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    | text      = Yeah, because we're we really streamline things, you know when we put out three hour episodes
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    | text      = We're really trying to condense it down into probably a 55 hour long presentation
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    | text      = But I I wanted to go back to 2015 to find the exact day that trump announced his candidacy and see where uh,
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    | text      = Alex jumped on board to see like because I I thought the most interesting thing that the media wasn't telling me at all
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    | text      = Even though everyone was saying that alex jones is the voice of trump or whatever and clearly alex was on board with trump
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    | text      = No one had any idea why and I wanted to try and figure that out. So I spent uh,
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    | text      = Countless hours at my then day job, uh, just going over listening to all the episodes
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    | text      = Uh taking notes and one of the things that I found that was the most surprising was that
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    | text      = When trump announced his candidacy alex hated him
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    | text      = Uh, he was very clear about how donald trump was a part of the mob
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    | text      = He said that trump was a front man for consortiums on the east coast
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    | text      = Uh that he was a bad bad guy. He knows from deep deep sources. He said deep sources. He said I quote
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    | text      = Uh, if you have a name like corleone you get arrested if you have a name like trump you don't
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    | text      = Uh, and so he was just very clearly coming out with like I know that this guy is involved with illegal financial operations
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    | text      = and stuff like that and then over the course of months we saw him go from that position to
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    | text      = Jesus this guy is mean he hates immigrants. I like that but I still love rand paul
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    | text      = Yeah, he never wavered on that point at all for for months and months and then it happened in a week
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    | text      = Well, it didn't actually and this is one of the misconceptions that a lot of people have
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    | text      = A lot of people have this misconception
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    | text      = I think it's a really easy mistake to make and that is that once roger stone came alex flipped and that's not true at all
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    | text      = Roger stone showed up on november 9th 2015 was his first appearance on the show and he did some good work in terms of trying to get alex to love trump by saying like trump loves guns you'd like him he carries a gun everywhere that sort of thing
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    | text      = But alex still didn't endorse trump until the middle of december like he or he didn't he didn't get on board with him and say this is our guy rand paul's not good enough until december
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    | text      = So his path was much more complicated than I expect or I expected to find um and yeah I don't know
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    | text      = It was it was really it was really kind of I like dan it was a slow transition I admit I do think that the rhetoric happened though very quickly like even near the end of his his uh uh uh eventual love of trump the the evolution that took a while it was still like well you know rand paul's my guy but i'm starting to feel like he's my guy
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    | text      = I know Rand paul's my guy but i'm starting to like this trump fella he hates non-white people and I hate non-white people so maybe we're doing good and then all of a sudden it went from trump is still mobbed up to trump is a secret sleeper patriot he has been he has been working undercover for 30 years
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    | text      = He's going to turn himself finally into the patriot that we all need to save us he is the messiah no you're you're wrong though that's I apologize god I love you that's not correct you're my favorite you are what you're recounting is like a central plotline have you guys read Jerome Corsi's book?
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    | timestamp = 00:50:03.699
    | text      = Wait is it about the book about QAnon? The Killing the Deep State? Yeah. Oh I would never read a Jerome Corsi book that I have I admit I spend a lot of time listening to Angel Warriors. I only look at his memes. But I don't have time I don't have time to read a Jerome Corsi book. It's some excellent fan fiction it's probably some of the most creative I've read in a while.
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    | timestamp = 00:50:24.699
    | text      = Well actually interestingly Jerome Corsi was one of the people who was telling Alex in like July of 2015 that Trump was full of shit and that he didn't mean to run for president so his whole like writing a book about the deep state as you're saying and all this fan fiction is kind of like exactly the opposite of what he was saying in 2015.
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    | text      = Interesting.
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    | text      = The reality though Jordan is this is this is essentially our podcast wherein I say something and Dan explains why I'm wrong.
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    | text      = He didn't switch to Trump is our savior until a bit later. He got on board with Trump largely because of that narrative that you did mention with the he's working behind the scenes. There's a deal between Assad Putin and our rogue military that that the counter coup narrative is as we refer to it.
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    | text      = That was being told to him by Roger Stone and Steve Puchenik behind the scenes who are working together in a group that they have on air referred to as the 45 group.
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    | text      = So I am convinced that the two of them were working in concert to try and flip Alex Jones because they knew of his propaganda potential.
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    | timestamp = 00:51:39.699
    | text      = And that happened towards the end of 2015 probably more towards December when Trump appeared on Infowars himself.
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    | text      = Yeah, I'm curious, you know, especially as we go into the midterms now when we're recording this, you know, we've had sitting Congress people and, you know, congressional candidates and that sort of thing appear on Infowars.
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    | text      = I think just for the sake of the size of the audience that I guess it once had I haven't seen any like real numbers recently and just sort of that idea that, you know, it is a propaganda tool.
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    | text      = And I'm really curious to see, you know, now that Infowars has been pulled from so many platforms if we're going to see the same type of high profile, you know, figures holding power who are trying to wield Infowars in the same way.
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    | timestamp = 00:52:36.699
    | text      = Or if it's going to sort of go the way that Breitbart did where, you know, Breitbart can still get some guests and like, you know, high profile guests, but it's not thought of as the same like wieldy attack dog sort of outlet that it once was.
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    | timestamp = 00:52:54.699
    | text      = Yeah, I think that, I mean, Matt Gaetz was the last sort of sitting politician, I think, who's gone on.
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    | timestamp = 00:53:02.699
    | text      = Yeah, and he went on there and complained about getting called a conspiracy theorist, which was just beautiful to me.
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    | timestamp = 00:53:09.699
    | text      = And then apologized for going on like, I shouldn't have done that.
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    | text      = I won't do that again, which fair enough.
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    | text      = But I think his, I think his reach even within his own sort of crew of guests is going to diminish, like, let alone the people who like might go on just to pander to an audience like Matt Gaetz clearly was doing.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I think that even some of those other people who are just essentially running cons will realize that this is not a profitable place for us to go on anymore.
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    | text      = And so I think I think even a lot of his like roster of guests will diminish.
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    | timestamp = 00:53:45.699
    | text      = And that's one of the big things that we, or at least I have learned from all of the analysis that Dan has put together of Alex's cast of characters, is that these are all con men trying to run their own game, kind of hanging on.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:01.699
    | text      = Like you were saying, the guys who are hangers on trying to get their own YouTube show with Alex's cache involved in that. We see so many different people who go from Alex Jones to fucking, what is it?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:21.699
    | text      = Carrie Cassidy? Project Camelot? And then we've got the same people going on Jim Baker's show. And all of this stuff we find is people running a con and then the other con men kind of propping them up.
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    | text      = None of these people...
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:36.699
    | text      = There's an ecosystem of confidence games that really is most of the right wing media sphere at this point.
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    | text      = That's my sort of functioning theory.
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    | text      = Con men. Con men. Yeah.
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    | text      = They're people that they have their own, whether it's like some bullshit book or some of these guys have their own supplement line or whatever they're selling. I agree with that, I think.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:13.699
    | text      = You look at the Infowars guest rotation and it's a relatively small pool of people. And they all have their own shit that they're trying to do. And I almost wonder if that's another indicative sign of the stage of Infowars and its growth.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:32.699
    | text      = Where people are coming on Infowars to be on Infowars not because anything substantial or majorly consequential is happening on the platform or that they expect to wield real influence anymore.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:46.699
    | text      = I think that some people definitely did before. But I think what they got out of it was money, quite frankly.
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    | timestamp = 00:55:53.699
    | text      = Because I know recently we sometimes cover Project Camelot and Jim Bakker episodes too because they do the same sort of con maneuvers.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:02.699
    | text      = And on an episode of Jim Bakker's show recently, he was talking about how when he sells a guest's book, he buys a ton of their books and then he sells them.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = So there's a financial incentive for the guest to come on because they automatically sell this large chunk of books.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:19.699
    | text      = And when you look at Alex Jones' business model with the Infowars store, most of the time when these guests come on, he's selling their books on his store.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:27.699
    | text      = So there is probably, and I can't confirm this necessarily, but it only stands to reason that a lot of these guests who are coming on end up selling 5,000 books to Alex for the appearance that they're coming on.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:39.699
    | text      = There's essentially sort of an in-kind version of pay-to-play that's going on with a consignment deal with their books.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:49.699
    | text      = And I think that a lot of people, as we move forward, with his diminished reach, won't see that as an investment that's worthwhile anymore.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:56.699
    | text      = And he'll probably end up having to go way down the batting order.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:00.699
    | text      = Well, but see, that's one of the things that I don't like about his. As you were saying, he's got a smaller rotating cast of characters.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:07.699
    | text      = And when we go back in time with Alex, one of my favorites was, what's his name, General Stubblebine or whatever?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = He's dead.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:15.699
    | text      = Yeah, but when he went on the show, his wife was essentially selling a $25 postcard with a magic sentence that would get you out of any crime.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:24.699
    | text      = No, no, no. It gets you out of getting vaccinated.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:27.699
    | text      = Yeah. That's right. There's just...
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Even better.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = She just...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = She was selling a laminated card that said, don't stick me.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:34.699
    | text      = Yeah, exactly. It was like, oh, you're the kind of guest that I want. I don't want Cernovich being a bitch on your show.
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    | timestamp = 00:57:42.699
    | text      = There's kind of like a fun crazy that's less existent nowadays.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:46.699
    | text      = Oh, man. Yeah. As long as we keep Health Ranger Mike, I think we'll be good.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:53.699
    | text      = Yeah, Health Ranger Mike!
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:55.699
    | text      = Did you read his report that apparently got to the president?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:59.699
    | text      = No, I didn't.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:01.699
    | text      = You didn't read the Adams report?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:03.699
    | text      = It was, I believe it was...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:09.699
    | text      = It was really long.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:10.699
    | text      = Was it Wesley Adams who did it?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:12.699
    | text      = No.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:13.699
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:14.699
    | text      = It was a lengthy treatise that Mike Adams had written about the state of conservative shadow banning that the president needed to see.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:24.699
    | text      = I regrettably...
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:25.699
    | text      = Which is our 51st state, actually.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:27.699
    | text      = Yes.
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    | timestamp = 00:58:28.699
    | text      = I knew that he was sending that, but I didn't realize it was Health Ranger Mike doing it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:32.699
    | text      = Oh, yeah, it is. Oh, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:33.699
    | text      = What the fuck?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:34.699
    | text      = I know, right?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:36.699
    | text      = What kind of world do we live in where a guy named Health Ranger Mike is allowed to do any of this shit?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:41.699
    | text      = The proprietor of naturalnews.com, full of all kinds of your medical woo.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:47.699
    | text      = Whatever you want to not believe, he'll help you not believe it.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:50.699
    | text      = Yeah, and the thing, like, he'll have Health Ranger Mike on every once in a while just to be like, we've tested the supplements, they're fantastic.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:58.699
    | text      = Also, you don't need vaccines.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:00.699
    | text      = Yep, fuck those. Vaccines will kill you.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:03.699
    | text      = Hey, come on, gingko biloba!
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:05.699
    | text      = You just need iodine.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:07.699
    | text      = Deep earth iodine, Dan. Don't sell it short.
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    | timestamp = 00:59:11.699
    | text      = There's something really interesting, too, like, if you go and look at, like, I mean, all those supplements that he sells, all the super male vitalities and everything, they're all brought to you by Dr. Group, who is his fake doctor.
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    | timestamp = 00:59:22.699
    | text      = He's a chiropractor, but he runs this place called the Global Healing Center.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:26.699
    | text      = And if you go and look at his website, he has all the exact same products for sale, just with different names that kind of sound like medicines.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:34.699
    | text      = And it's a really interesting dynamic that the two of them have, where they sell the same stuff, but Dr. Groups sounds like medicine, Alex sounds like it's combat gear, because they know their audiences.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:46.699
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:47.699
    | text      = I mean, it's the same thing. It's another version of the same con.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:52.699
    | text      = Yeah, it's like they have their own, it's like they all have their own private label, you know?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:57.699
    | text      = Like, they all buy it from the same retailer, and then they just put their own name on it, and they're like, this is completely different!
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:04.699
    | text      = More likely, Dr. Group buys all of it, puts it all together, and then Alex does the same thing that he does with people's books, in theory.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:12.699
    | text      = And he's selling Dr. Group's stuff on private label.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:15.699
    | text      = I like the image of Dr. Group putting it all together himself, like he has a workshop like the elves.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:20.699
    | text      = Yeah, exactly.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:22.699
    | text      = That'd be fun.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:24.699
    | text      = That would be fun.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:26.699
    | text      = Well, I think we should go ahead and start to wrap this, now that we have finally discovered once and for all that, you know, the InfoWars products really are as good as they say.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:42.699
    | text      = Oh yeah, we fixed it!
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:44.699
    | text      = If they are rip-offs, but...
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:48.699
    | text      = I guess on a closing note...
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:50.699
    | text      = I can't get out of bed in the morning unless I have my bone broth. I'll tell you that right now.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:54.699
    | text      = I just...
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:56.699
    | text      = The only thing, my big takeaway, I think the big thing that we discovered this evening is that, you know, with fewer people going on the Alex Jones show, I think the Jim Bakker show is about to get way more poppin' off.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:01:12.699
    | text      = Man, I'll tell you, it's already been poppin' off.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:01:16.699
    | text      = Because those buckets are not to be believed. The deals they have.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:01:20.699
    | text      = The fact that the Jim Bakker show had on the lady who...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:01:24.699
    | text      = Paula White-Cain.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:01:26.699
    | text      = Paula White-Cain, who is the single greatest con artist I think we've had.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:01:32.699
    | text      = That's your position.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:01:34.699
    | text      = I still think Larry Nichols is much better.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:01:36.699
    | text      = Larry Nichols, call Larry Nichols. If you die, definitely make sure to pin a note to your chest that says call Larry Nichols.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:01:42.699
    | text      = But she is running such a con in a way that somehow she gave a benediction for Trump or whatever?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:01:51.699
    | text      = Well, she's his sort of personal preacher.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:01:53.699
    | text      = Right, and she...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:01:55.699
    | text      = There's nobody who could be less aligned with any kind of Christian theology that you could imagine.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:01.699
    | text      = Come on, man. She's married to the keyboardist from Journey.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:04.699
    | text      = That's true.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:05.699
    | text      = That's great.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:06.699
    | text      = That's true.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:07.699
    | text      = That's enough for me. I don't know.
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    | timestamp = 01:02:09.699
    | text      = Inexplicably true.
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    | timestamp = 01:02:11.699
    | text      = I would say it's interesting that you're putting it that way.
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    | timestamp = 01:02:14.699
    | text      = You think Jim Bakker is about to pop off.
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    | timestamp = 01:02:16.699
    | text      = I think he's already reached his sort of zenith, as it were.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:21.699
    | text      = He's plateaued. He's going to stay about where he is.
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    | timestamp = 01:02:25.699
    | text      = I say keep your eyes on something like Project Camelot.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:30.699
    | text      = I think that's much more likely to get really popular.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:35.699
    | text      = Because that's really fringe. That's really weird.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:39.699
    | text      = They just talk about the secret space program all the time and have weird liars on.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:43.699
    | text      = And the biggest guest they have is a murderer from 1993 or whatever it is.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:48.699
    | text      = The Pendragon case.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:50.699
    | text      = Oh, man.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:51.699
    | text      = Mark Richards.
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    | timestamp = 01:02:52.699
    | text      = Yeah, I'd love to watch that too.
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    | timestamp = 01:02:55.699
    | text      = I recommend it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:56.699
    | text      = Just so you know, anytime you try and wrap up a show, we're going to wind up talking for 85 more minutes.
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    | timestamp = 01:03:02.699
    | text      = So please just be as insistent as possible.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:06.699
    | text      = Well, to wrap up the show...
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:03:12.699
    | text      = Perfect. You fucking nailed it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:14.699
    | text      = Should I just answer everything with that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:16.699
    | text      = No, just end the phone call.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:18.699
    | text      = Jared, it was a lot of fun to talk to you.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:21.699
    | text      = I apologize. This was kind of all over the place.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:24.699
    | text      = But it's nice to speak to somebody who focuses on this stuff as well.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:03:29.699
    | text      = It's a rare treat, in my personal life at least.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:03:33.699
    | text      = Yeah, it was a real pleasure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:03:35.699
    | text      = Wonderful.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:36.699
    | text      = So, this is my podcast. Where can they check out Knowledge Fight?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:42.699
    | text      = Knowledgefight.com is our website. That's got all the information that folks need, perhaps.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:48.699
    | text      = The best thing to do to find us is to go to our Facebook group, inexplicably enough.
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    | timestamp = 01:03:53.699
    | text      = It's called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant, which is based on that clip that I was talking about with Steve Pacanich earlier,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:04:00.699
    | text      = where he bitched out on Alex for a while.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:04.699
    | text      = He just ends with saying, like,
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    | timestamp = 01:04:07.699
    | text      = Great! You did a good job. Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. Five stars.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:12.699
    | text      = Whatever. Bananas.
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    | timestamp = 01:04:14.699
    | text      = Cool. Well, if you're looking for my podcast, you can find it on iTunes and all over the place.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:19.699
    | text      = It's called Shitpost.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:21.699
    | text      = Yeah, that is an exclamation point.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:24.699
    | text      = Oh, by the way, are we allowed to say all of the yelling swear words that I did on your podcast?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:31.699
    | text      = It's called Shitpost.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:33.699
    | text      = Okay, fair enough.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:36.699
    | text      = Well, then fuck this noise!
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:39.699
    | text      = But Shitpost is with the eye like it's pink.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:43.699
    | text      = You know, the singer Pink. The eye was an exclamation point.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:48.699
    | text      = I tried to type the word shit into iTunes and they weren't having it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:53.699
    | text      = Those motherfucking pieces of shit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:55.699
    | text      = Jared, I believe that you are a victim of, you know, tyranny. Online censorship run amuck, undoubtedly.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:02.699
    | text      = Your free speech is being squashed because you can't put shit onto iTunes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:07.699
    | text      = Also, just so you know, I originally tried to email shitpostpodcast at gmail.com
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:16.699
    | text      = and instead I found out that that is owned by a Mexican podcast that just started and they were not having it.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:25.699
    | text      = Wait, what?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:28.699
    | text      = Yeah, yeah, I emailed it and the guy was like, yeah, so we just started like a couple of weeks ago.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:33.699
    | text      = We're in Mexico. Anyways, you don't want to talk to us.
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    | timestamp = 01:05:37.699
    | text      = So, it's fantastic.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:39.699
    | text      = Oh man, that's hilarious.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:41.699
    | text      = Well, cool guys. That's great, Chad.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:44.699
    | text      = Yeah, thank you so much. We had a great time.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:46.699
    | text      = Cool. Take care.
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    | timestamp = 01:05:47.699
    | text      = All the best.
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