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    | title         = [[1092: Tucker, The Man And His 9/11 Documentary]]
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    | text      = Oh indeed we are.
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    | text      = Dan.
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    | text      = Quick question for you.
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    | text      = What's up?
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    | text      = What's a bright spot today buddy?
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    | text      = Why don't you go first?
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    | text      = My bright spot is, it's a twilight spot.
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    | text      = A little bright, a little dark.
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    | text      = The celebrity traitors just wrapped up.
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    | text      = Okay, yeah I've not had a chance to check that out yet.
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    | text      = It is the-
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    | text      = But it's British celebrities right?
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = British celebrities.
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    | text      = Celebrity with an asterisk.
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    | text      = Listen, there's a couple celebrities on the British celebrity traitors if you will.
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    | text      = Stephen Fry.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = So there's a couple.
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    | text      = Sounds like one.
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    | text      = It's the worst season of the traitors I've ever seen.
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    | text      = Oh no.
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    | text      = It's the worst and because all of these people, all of the faithful were the dumbest there's
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    | text      = ever been.
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    | text      = Have you ever seen a season where the very first three traitors made it all the way to
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    | text      = No, no, no.
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    | text      = Of course not, right?
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = No, none of that.
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    | text      = The season was only nine episodes long and I was like, that's crazy short.
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    | text      = The greatest season of the traitors, Traitors Ireland happened just a little bit ago, 12
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    | text      = episodes.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Because you've got three in a row they caught the traitors.
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    | text      = Then you got the recruitments, you got the whole thing.
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    | text      = These people were so bad at this game, they didn't even make it to 10 episodes.
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    | text      = That's rough.
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    | text      = That is rough.
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    | text      = You ran the table, those traitors.
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = And then at the end, you're like, oh, they've got it.
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    | text      = They finally figured it out.
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    | text      = There's these last few people.
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    | text      = There's no way they can miss it.
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    | text      = It's been obvious the whole fucking game shoots themselves in the foot instantaneously and
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    | text      = the traitors, well, they did what you knew they were going to do from the start.
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    | text      = Which is turn on each other and bring it down to two to split the money?
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = Well, you just spoiled the season of traitors, but-
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    | text      = You knew it was going to happen.
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    | text      = You knew it was going to happen.
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    | text      = Well, I look forward to watching that eventually then.
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    | text      = Yeah, it'll be brutal.
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    | text      = How about you?
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    | text      = What's your bright spot?
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    | text      = My bright spot, I guess, is the video game that just came out, the Hyrule Warriors.
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    | text      = Oh, yeah.
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    | text      = The Hyrule Warriors out.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = That's a lot of fun.
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    | text      = Those games are deeply my shit.
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    | text      = I don't know why.
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    | text      = Little campaigns, running around, fighting through big groups of enemies.
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = Zelda characters.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = It's fun.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I was a little disappointed because I started the game and for the first hour or so, I was
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    | text      = like, oh my God, Link isn't in this game.
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    | text      = It's just Zelda.
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    | text      = Zelda has traveled back in time to the era of the beginning of the kingdom of Hyrule.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = And you're like, oh shit, Link?
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    | text      = Why would Link be here?
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    | text      = And then a Link stand-in shows up.
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    | text      = Yeah, well, that was probably-
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    | text      = But I was like, ah, there's no Link.
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    | text      = It's a Zelda game without Link.
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    | text      = That would be interesting.
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    | text      = But yeah, he shows up.
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    | text      = Well.
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    | text      = Is he wearing the hat?
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    | text      = No, he has a hood.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = I think that there's a, I don't know how this game ends and I also don't know if it's canon,
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    | text      = but if it is canon and it ends the way I think it's going to end, there's an argument to
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    | text      = be made that Link has been a robot this entire time and he is an eternal thing that has existed
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    | text      = in order to protect the princess of Hyrule.
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    | text      = All right.
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    | text      = That would be an interesting lore.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah, the eternal Link.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I mean, it would make sense.
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    | text      = So I'm enjoying the game and we'll see if I continue to.
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    | text      = Excellent.
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    | text      = But today is something that is not to be enjoyed.
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    | text      = It's an episode of our podcast.
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    | text      = But first, let's take a moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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    | text      = So first, DJ Lobster Man, look out for the breaking machine.
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    | text      = Thank you so much for now, Policy Wonk.
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    | text      = Thank you both for the last throughout these nutty times.
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    | text      = And elementary, my dear Watson, we need to go full tilt boogie on this.
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    | text      = And we got a technocrat at the mix, Jordan.
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    | text      = So thank you so much to my friend Gina wrote the book on Scatman John and everyone should
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    | text      = Very affecting emotionally and it's like a really inspiring story.
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    | text      = I've watched a number of interviews with him and videos.
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    | text      = I'd have to know some of the broad strokes of his story.
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    | text      = And yeah, it seems like an insane, like, how did this happen?
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    | text      = So Jordan, I mentioned a while back that Tucker was putting out a five-part series explaining
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    | text      = what really happened on 9-11, which I likened to him trying to wear Alex's skin and steal
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    | text      = his spirit.
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    | text      = It may seem kind of trivial now, and there's a low social cost to being a conspiracy theorist,
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    | text      = but in the early 2000s, people hated 9-11 conspiracy theorists.
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    | text      = The US had suffered a giant terrorist attack, a city was grieving, and the armed forces
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    | text      = of the country were being called up to fight in multiple foreign wars, presumably in response
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    | text      = to that attack.
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    | text      = The country wasn't fully united, but you could say that there were two main sides, and neither
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    | text      = really liked conspiracy theories around 9-11 that much.
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    | text      = There was the America right or wrong crowd, who saw Bush as a wartime president who had
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    | text      = responded to the attack, and it was every American's duty to go along and support him
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    | text      = in getting this mission done.
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    | text      = That was his high approval rating, period.
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    | text      = For them, it was unpatriotic to question the leadership, and they demanded that we all
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    | text      = On the other side, you had the anti-war crowd, who were generally college kids and old hippies,
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    | text      = mostly from the left and libertarian circles, and for the most part, they weren't that into
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    | text      = They had a solid argument against the wars, and their conviction that Bush lied to make
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    | text      = those wars happen didn't rely on really dubious arguments that these conspiracy theorists
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    | text      = make about the attack itself.
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    | text      = Incorporating flimsy accusations about Bush doing 9-11 into their arguments weakened them,
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    | text      = so for the most part, they stayed away from this kind of game.
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    | text      = You'll often hear Alex complain that when he criticized Bush, the right wing accused
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    | text      = him of being a commie, and the whole 9-11 period has a lot to do with that.
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    | text      = Prior to this point, he'd had very little national significance, but he'd made a career
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    | text      = that was almost fully catering to a right wing audience.
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    | text      = He was a John Birch Society acolyte who worked on Pat Buchanan's campaigns for president,
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    | text      = and pretty much all of his positions would be categorized as strongly conservative.
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    | text      = I do hate to be too praising of Alex, but in his coverage of 9-11, what he did was a
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    | text      = bold move, and it's one that could have easily backfired.
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    | text      = The population he'd regularly drawn his audience from was in a very patriotic phase, and a
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    | text      = lot of the Republican types might punch you for saying that you thought 9-11 was an inside
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    | text      = It was alienating to what was obviously his core demographic, but Alex on some level understood
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    | text      = that this was his ticket.
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    | text      = There wasn't going to be another publicly traumatic event on this scale in the United
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    | text      = States for a long time, and if he could attach himself to it by demanding people accept his
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    | text      = alternative version of the story, he could make his mark in this very wet cement.
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    | text      = It truly was a different time, and although I'm certain there were crass financial considerations
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    | text      = and Alex didn't believe most of this shit, it's important to keep in mind how hard it
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    | text      = was to be a person like that in 2002.
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    | text      = The country was trying to come together and heal, and Alex made it his business to try
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    | text      = to keep these wounds open, insisting that if you let them heal, you'll never find the
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    | text      = true culprit, the globalists.
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    | text      = I say all this not to pump Alex up, because he's still a liar and a fraud and even was
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    | text      = back then, but instead I say this to disrespect Tucker Carlson and the idea that he would
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    | text      = make a 9-11 conspiracy documentary 24 years later and act like he's breaking new ground.
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    | text      = When it would have been an interesting position to have, Tucker was wearing bow ties on crossfire
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    | text      = and arguing in favor of Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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    | text      = He was trying to be a mouthpiece for the state, so he hated the idea that people had
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    | text      = conspiracies about 9-11.
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    | text      = He said as much to Alex in one of their interviews that he deeply disliked Alex because he thought
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    | text      = the conspiracies about 9-11 were disgusting.
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    | text      = But now the calculus has changed entirely, and there is no cost to being a 9-11 theorist,
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    | text      = and it comes to Tucker to try to steal Alex's crown by making this five-part 9-11 conspiracy
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    | text      = series.
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    | text      = There are no ifs, ands, or buts about one thing, I think, and that is that Alex Jones
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    | text      = is the 9-11 guy.
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    | text      = He's wrong about pretty much everything and he doesn't even remember all the fake things
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    | text      = he's proven over the years, but he was the guy who took on the risk of being the face
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    | text      = of a deeply unpopular thing when the country wanted no part of it.
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    | text      = If you're Tucker, who is supposedly Alex's friend, you can't make a 9-11 series and not
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    | text      = have it mostly be about Alex's work, because whatever you're going to put into that documentary,
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    | text      = he's probably already covered.
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    | text      = If you're Tucker, you should just plug loose change and move on.
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    | text      = Call it a day.
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    | text      = And if he hasn't already covered it, that's you indicting him.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm, yeah.
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    | text      = That he did nothing.
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    | text      = Exactly.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = All his work and all of that risk that he took on amounted to him just being wrong.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = I say all this, and I am interested in this move on Tucker's part because I believe that
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    | text      = it's part of a concerted effort to replace Alex as a meaningful figure in the Trump media
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    | text      = ecosystem.
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    | text      = Alex is too embarrassing.
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    | text      = He has too much baggage.
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    | text      = It has to be.
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    | timestamp = 00:11:38.899
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And so Tucker seems like he's well positioned to slide into this.
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    | text      = He can't be the guy who predicted 9-11 or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but give him
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    | timestamp = 00:11:48.580
    | text      = the, he's the expert spot and now you've got-
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    | timestamp = 00:11:51.299
    | text      = He's serious and he's doing hard work on it.
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    | timestamp = 00:11:53.460
    | text      = And now you don't even need Alex.
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    | text      = You can just be like, oh, Alex predicted it, but this guy's the expert on it.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I believe that putting out a documentary series about 9-11 and 2025 is an effort of usurpation.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Trying to steal this thing from Alex.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 00:12:12.860
    | text      = But maybe, hey, maybe it's possible that Tucker broke new ground on 9-11 and you know, maybe
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    | text      = has a smoking gun.
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    | text      = If you put out, like say now, right?
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    | text      = If I put out a, let's say like thousand hour documentary on the civil war, I'm coming for
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    | text      = Ken Burns.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:29.659
    | text      = If I put out a two hour documentary on the civil war, I'm not coming for Ken Burns, but
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    | text      = if I put out enough, Ken Burns is watching out, right?
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    | text      = Like that's-
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    | timestamp = 00:12:38.139
    | text      = Well, it's a five part series and it's, they're half hour long.
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    | timestamp = 00:12:41.139
    | text      = So they're not, you know, it's not the same as a thousand-
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    | text      = But they're lazy, these are all lazy people.
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    | text      = So that is a lot of work for their benchmarks.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = It's definitely, there's intent.
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    | text      = There's like the intent of a thousand hours behind it.
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    | text      = Yes, exactly.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So I thought that we would watch the first episode and see what kind of feelings it evokes,
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    | text      = see where we see if it feels worth covering more.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = So we're going to jump in here at the beginning of his first episode of the, we're going to
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    | text      = all the truth about 9-11 baby.
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    | text      = Okay, all right.
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    | text      = For 24 years now, politicians, the media, Intel agencies in this country and abroad
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = have all demanded that you believe the official story about 9-11.
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    | text      = And here's what it is.
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    | text      = They tell you a group of Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists, many of whom were known to US
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    | text      = Intel services, somehow managed to evade capture for years as they planned the most significant
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    | text      = and elaborate terror attack in human history.
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    | text      = We're told that despite repeated encounters with the FBI, the CIA, local law enforcement,
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    | text      = airport security, foreign Intel organizations, the right information somehow never made it
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    | text      = to the right people.
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    | text      = The government failed because it just didn't have the intelligence it needed.
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    | text      = That's the story.
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    | text      = That story is a lie.
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    | text      = Nearly 25 years later, the families of 3000 civilians are still mourning the murder of
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    | text      = their loved ones.
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    | text      = Anyone who doubts the official narrative is cast as a kook, a criminal, a fringe conspiracy
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    | text      = theorist and punished.
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    | text      = They've been blacklisted and censored and banned.
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    | text      = Even as the leaders who failed to protect our country on 9-11 use these attacks as a
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    | text      = pretense to expand their own powers and permanently transform the United States.
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    | text      = I don't think people particularly care what anyone thinks about 9-11 conspiracies now.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:14:40.220
    | text      = People who are old enough to drink weren't even born when it happened, so there isn't
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    | text      = a lot of heightened emotions around the subject anymore.
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    | text      = Pete Davidson's dad was killed in the attack and he just performed at the Riyadh Comedy
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    | text      = Festival, so I think that speaks to the lowered temperature that people have about this.
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    | text      = Maybe in the few years after the attack people would call you a conspiracy theorist if you
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    | text      = questioned things, but that was back in a time when Tucker was calling people a conspiracy
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    | text      = theorist if they questioned things.
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    | text      = That's a real problem with this documentary right from the outset.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:15:10.779
    | text      = Tucker himself was literally the problem he's now complaining about.
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    | text      = Alex was the guy taking lumps for putting out 9-11 conspiracy documentaries and in that
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    | text      = stretch where Tucker is talking about how you'd get punished for questioning things,
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    | text      = he doesn't even flash up a picture of Alex as homage, as like this was the crusader.
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    | text      = Tucker Carlson making this documentary is inappropriate because he was part of the original
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    | text      = story and unless this documentary includes an exploration of how he behaved during the
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    | text      = Iraq war, then it's worthless.
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    | text      = He can't start his show grandstanding about the poor conspiracy theorists who were stigmatized
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    | text      = by the media when he was part of the media that specifically stigmatized those conspiracy
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    | text      = theorists because unless he clears that shit up, all of the attacks that he's going to
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    | text      = make on the media should probably apply to him too.
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    | text      = Yeah, if he says, I know that they were told to smear these people, hell, I did it, that
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    | text      = would make more sense.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Here's clips of me doing exactly what I'm saying these people are doing, right?
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    | text      = Because if they're all shills, then it stands to reason that he was behaving the same way,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:16:15.580
    | text      = he was a shill too.
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    | text      = And if he doesn't take account of that, it doesn't take responsibility for that, why
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    | text      = would I have any reason to think what he's doing now is sincere?
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    | timestamp = 00:16:24.259
    | text      = Oh no, because he's not shilling now, that would be right in character with somebody
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    | text      = who does it.
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    | timestamp = 00:16:30.899
    | text      = Oh no, nevermind, you're right, that's a good point.
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    | text      = So I'm looking out for Tucker having a sort of moment of-
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    | text      = Come to Jesus moment.
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    | text      = Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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    | text      = You know what, I realized something about my entire life, I'm awful.
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    | text      = We're not going to get that in the first episode, I'll tell you that for sure.
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    | text      = Not surprising.
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    | text      = So he goes on to preface this episode and he wants you to be clear, people I'm going
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    | text      = to be talking to, they aren't kooks.
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    | timestamp = 00:16:57.779
    | text      = Oh, well that's not good.
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    | text      = None of this is speculation, all of it is true.
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    | text      = Over the course of this series-
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    | text      = It sounds like you're speculating.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:03.539
    | text      = ... we hear accounts from people who lived it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = CIA officers and analysts who were there, FBI agents from the Bin Laden unit, family
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    | text      = members of the victims.
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    | timestamp = 00:17:12.140
    | text      = None of these people are kooks.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = All of them have firsthand information.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:17.140
    | text      = What they'll tell you is that what you have been told about September 11th is not true.
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    | text      = I feel like you're in sketchy territory when you have to start out your documentary series
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:17:26.339
    | text      = assuring people that the guests you're going to interview aren't kooks.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:29.759
    | text      = It makes it a little too clear that the kind of media you make often involves talking to
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    | text      = kooks and that maybe you're defensive about it.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:36.700
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:38.099
    | text      = This isn't like my regular shit is what you're actually saying, but in a way that makes you
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    | timestamp = 00:17:42.500
    | text      = sound less like you're taking responsibility for how you're a liar.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:46.259
    | text      = Well it's indicting both your own work and then also the work on this subject.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:53.059
    | text      = You're turning on a 9-11 conspiracy documentary, you're probably expecting you might see kooks.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:58.039
    | text      = You're turning on a Tucker product, you expect you might see kooks.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:01.740
    | text      = Right, and this is double that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You're expecting to see the kookiest and yeah, we're going to deliver I bet.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:18:10.259
    | text      = So one of the big things that Tucker wants and he's calling for is a new 9-11 commission,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:16.480
    | text      = a real one, one that wasn't a cover up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:19.220
    | text      = Great.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:20.220
    | text      = Why are we doing this?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:21.619
    | text      = Our purpose is in part to make the strongest possible case for a real investigation into
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:18:27.019
    | text      = 9-11, 25 years later.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:29.180
    | text      = A new 9-11 commission, one that is honest, one that is not guided by partisan political
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:18:35.059
    | text      = interests, one that is not serving foreign powers.
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    | timestamp = 00:18:37.380
    | text      = To do this investigation we spent many months looking into what actually happened and speaking
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    | timestamp = 00:18:43.599
    | text      = to people who saw it.
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    | timestamp = 00:18:45.019
    | text      = We poured over thousands of pages of documents, mostly primary sources, but also contemporaneous
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    | text      = news reports and declassified government documents.
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    | timestamp = 00:18:53.380
    | text      = Over the course of this investigation we made numerous findings that shocked us, not least
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    | text      = of which the apparent role that former CIA director John Brennan played in helping bring
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    | text      = the 9-11 hijackers to the United States.
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    | text      = And the remarkable lengths the CIA went to to protect the 9-11 hijackers from the FBI
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    | timestamp = 00:19:14.180
    | text      = and from domestic law enforcement.
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    | timestamp = 00:19:16.019
    | text      = So John Brennan is high on Trump's enemies list and it's pretty clear that Trump is looking
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    | timestamp = 00:19:20.640
    | text      = to lock some folks up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:19:22.599
    | text      = And Brennan is in that category for sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:19:25.480
    | text      = Hey listen, fuck that guy.
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    | timestamp = 00:19:27.960
    | text      = So I'm all for it.
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    | timestamp = 00:19:29.319
    | text      = Right, but you know I think that there's a way to do things that's within the law and
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:19:34.319
    | text      = a way to do things that is I'm jailing my enemies.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:19:36.960
    | text      = Sure, we're in the wild west, fuck that guy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:19:39.400
    | text      = So right out of the gate this feels like a, less like a sincere fact finding exercise
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:19:43.519
    | text      = and more like an attempt to come up with justifications for Trump to arrest Brennan.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:19:48.140
    | text      = But I'll wait until he lays out some more evidence to make up his mind.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:19:51.559
    | text      = This is all just kind of a blowhard preamble thing he's doing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:19:55.880
    | text      = I do appreciate this because this is something that is still true.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:20:01.440
    | text      = Not as much as it was back then, but still true.
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    | timestamp = 00:20:05.279
    | text      = The only thing that is not really talked about with the 9-11 is that maybe it's just an expected
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:20:12.759
    | text      = and understood consequence of the fact that America went over to a bunch of different
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:20:16.140
    | text      = places and killed all those people.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:20:18.119
    | text      = And if you keep doing that you should expect it to happen more.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:20:21.500
    | text      = That's the only thing people won't just be like, oh well then I guess we're done.
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    | timestamp = 00:20:26.500
    | text      = So Tucker brings up his first non-cuke guest.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:20:31.619
    | text      = And this is the person who's going to be the subject of the first episode.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:20:36.680
    | text      = Telling the full story requires starting before the attacks going back to something called
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:20:42.140
    | text      = Alec Station, that was the CIA's bin Laden unit in 1999.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:20:47.759
    | text      = My name is Mark Rossini.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:20:49.180
    | text      = I'm a former FBI agent.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = So from January 1999 to May of 2003 I was the FBI New York Joint Terrorism Task Force
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:20:58.059
    | text      = representative to Alec Station at CIA headquarters.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:21:02.019
    | text      = So this is not the first time that Mark Rossini has been interviewed about his time at Alec
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    | text      = Station, so let's just establish that nothing that he's saying in this interview is new.
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    | text      = At the risk of being accused of shooting the messenger, I feel like I should tell you a
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    | timestamp = 00:21:14.279
    | text      = few things about Mark Rossini before he starts his story because I think they might help
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:21:18.380
    | text      = you better assess his credibility.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:21:20.940
    | text      = So Rossini was a FBI agent until 2008 when he had to retire after pleading guilty to
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:21:26.339
    | text      = five felony counts of criminally accessing the FBI databases.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:21:31.180
    | text      = This story gets a little bit messy, so strap in.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:21:33.900
    | text      = I bet he's probably great with women.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = In the 90s and early 2000s, Anthony Palacano became a big name in terms of private investigator
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    | timestamp = 00:21:42.380
    | text      = business.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = He worked with politicians like Bill Clinton and celebrities like Michael Jackson digging
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:21:47.220
    | text      = up dirt on people who accused them of wrongdoing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:21:50.619
    | text      = Over the years, the private investigation business started to drift into being more
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:21:54.299
    | text      = of a fixer kind of thing where Palacano would wiretap celebrities and powerful agents in
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:21:59.539
    | text      = Hollywood in order to gather compromising information about them.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:03.059
    | text      = So his job was literal victim blaming?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:05.740
    | text      = Well, interesting.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:07.740
    | text      = Hold on to that thought.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:10.000
    | text      = He worked with a couple of lawyers and he didn't mind doing illegal things in order
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:13.400
    | text      = to help his clients.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:15.019
    | text      = He'd been considered very slimy for most of his career, and one of the best examples of
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:19.420
    | text      = that is in relation to Michael Jackson.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:22.259
    | text      = Palacano famously produced an audio tape alleged to be the father of one of the child victims,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:22:26.619
    | text      = expressing that he just wanted to extort Jackson, which played a big role in hurting the credibility
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:31.940
    | text      = of accusations that were being levied against him.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:34.940
    | text      = The father in question denied this tape's authenticity, but that smear had been born
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:38.799
    | text      = and it was in everyone's head.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:40.900
    | text      = Later, Palacano would try to remove himself from the case, claiming that he'd uncovered
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    | timestamp = 00:22:44.779
    | text      = horrible information and that Jackson, quote, did something far worse to those young boys
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:49.460
    | text      = than molest them.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:50.460
    | text      = Great.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:51.460
    | text      = But his actions remained and he had already...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:53.660
    | text      = Funny how that works.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:54.660
    | text      = So, you know, the victim blaming and...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:56.180
    | text      = No, no, no, I take it back.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:57.539
    | text      = I take it back.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:22:58.819
    | text      = There's no... you can take it back, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:23:00.539
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:23:01.539
    | text      = Sure, buddy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:23:02.539
    | text      = You can't just... no, you can take it back.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:23:03.539
    | text      = There's no pee in the pool, man!
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:23:04.900
    | text      = So the depths of Palacano's shithead awfulness could take up a whole episode, so just suffice
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:23:09.319
    | text      = it to say that he's a big old asshole.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:23:11.799
    | text      = Where he intersects with our story is that in 2008, when Mark Racini pled guilty to five
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    | text      = charges of illegally accessing FBI databases, he was doing it to feed information to Anthony Palacano.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = To be clear, by this point where Racini was interacting with him, there was zero mystery
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    | text      = about Palacano being a shady character.
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    | text      = In November 2002, Palacano had been arrested for possessing grenades and C4 after a reporter
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    | text      = found her car vandalized with a message that just said, stop.
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    | text      = That reporter was working on a story that involved one of Palacano's clients, Steven
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    | text      = Seagal, and you could put the rest of the pieces together yourself.
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    | text      = Sure, huh.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So grenades and C4.
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    | text      = Just keeping them around?
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    | text      = You never know when you're gonna need them.
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    | text      = I feel... you know what?
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    | text      = I don't... listen.
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    | text      = Maybe I don't understand the thread too well, but I feel like munition storage is the number
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    | text      = one problem that all of the guys like these guys face in terms of how their inevitable
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    | text      = end comes about.
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    | text      = Well, do you mean that they don't hide these things well enough?
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    | text      = Well, I mean, sure, there's the hiding, of course, and then there's the accidentally
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    | text      = blowing themselves up.
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    | text      = There's the, why do you need this much?
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    | text      = This is more like collecting.
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    | text      = How many bullets do you need if you're only using a gun instead of a howitzer?
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    | text      = You know what I mean?
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Or a six tube thing.
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    | text      = What do you say to somebody who has a wine cellar, though?
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    | text      = You don't need all that wine.
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    | text      = I mean that, well, it's a fair investment.
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    | text      = You could maybe sell it later.
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    | text      = There's all kinds of things.
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    | text      = That's true of C4.
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    | text      = Are you saying that of C4?
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    | text      = Yes!
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    | text      = Actually, that is a good point.
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    | text      = Maybe C4 does gain value over time.
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    | text      = It has a good, this is an aged C4.
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    | text      = Right, right.
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    | text      = This is a good vintage.
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    | text      = Should we invest in C4?
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    | text      = Look, we'll talk about it off air.
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    | text      = Okay, fair enough.
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    | text      = I'm disinclined.
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    | text      = Knowledge by an official investment bank.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So Mark Rossini was an FBI agent assigned to the bin Laden unit, and he was so comically
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    | text      = corrupt that he broke the law to access information to give to Anthony Pelicano.
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    | text      = His actions could have compromised the case against Pelicano, but Rossini didn't seem
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    | text      = to care.
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    | text      = Fun little fact about this story, Rossini was dating actress Linda Fiorentino at some
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    | text      = point who had previously dated Pelicano.
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    | text      = Jesus Christ.
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    | text      = Some might suggest that she was dating Rossini in order to get access to his FBI files on
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Pelicano's behalf, but this is just pure speculation, not proven either way.
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    | text      = And wild.
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    | text      = Either way, Rossini gave her the files and she gave them to Pelicano's lawyers, which
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    | text      = is a major part of why you don't see her in movies after Dogma.
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    | text      = How about that?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Huh.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So Rossini just had to retire from the FBI over this, and he got a light probation and
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    | text      = a fine.
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    | text      = However, he wasn't done doing crimes.
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    | text      = You know what?
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    | text      = I find it so hard to believe that these three-lettered organizations seem so lawless.
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    | text      = It's almost like any time they break the law, they face no consequences for it, do you?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Well, get ready for another story about that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Oh, yeah?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = In 2022, the governor of Puerto Rico, Wanda Vasquez-Garcad, was arrested on charges of
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = accepting illegal foreign donations to her campaign.
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    | text      = In August 2025, she pled guilty.
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    | text      = This all goes back to a Puerto Rican banker named Julio Herrera Velutini.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = His bank was being examined by the Office of the Commissioner of Financial Institutions,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = which looked like it was going to uncover some crimes.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = It's alleged that through some back channels, Velutini and Mark Rossini, working in some
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    | text      = kind of an advisory role, reached out to Vasquez-Garcad and offered to fund her campaign if she would
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = replace the head of the Office of the Commissioner of Financial Institutions with someone chosen
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = by Velutini when she was elected, someone who was more friendly to his interests.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So we're doing a corruption.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Let's start there.
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    | text      = Hey, buddy, we're doing a corruption.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You want to in?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = All right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:27:05.539
    | text      = So everyone involved was facing some potential jail time, but one of Trump's personal lawyers,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:27:08.980
    | text      = Chris Kice, got in the mix on behalf of that bank guy.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:27:13.099
    | text      = So now it looks like it's all been talked down to misdemeanors and no one's going to
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    | text      = really get into trouble.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:27:17.180
    | text      = Funny how that works.
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    | text      = But at this point, when they're recording this interview, most likely-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:27:22.500
    | text      = He's afraid of going to jail.
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    | text      = Yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = For a long, long time.
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    | text      = It looks like he's probably going to end up in jail in Puerto Rico.
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    | timestamp = 00:27:28.299
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:27:29.299
    | text      = Man, now is a good time to commit crimes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:27:31.740
    | text      = You should re- everybody should really be committing way more crimes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:27:35.019
    | text      = I feel like we have a lot of examples of people getting away with some crazy shit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I mean, it's wild.
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    | text      = So my point here is that Mark Rossini is a hell of a character for Tucker to just pretend
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    | text      = is a bin Laden expert.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:27:46.579
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:27:47.619
    | text      = He's got a lot of baggage spanning decades that strongly calls his integrity into question.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:27:52.500
    | text      = He was willing to abuse the privacy of the FBI databases in order to help Anthony Pelicano's
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:27:57.160
    | text      = criminal racket.
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    | text      = So forgive me if I don't think that this guy seems like a humble public servant who just
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = wants to tell everybody the truth.
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    | text      = In the same way that for this to be a sincere thing, Tucker needs to unpack his own involvement
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    | timestamp = 00:28:13.619
    | text      = in 9-11.
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    | text      = And if he wants to use Mark Rossini as an expert, he needs to inform the audience that
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = he's a fraud guy and has done some fraud stuff.
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    | text      = I mean, okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So when you're using a witness, like whenever I'm, let's say we're in a courtroom and somebody's
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = brought up a witness and I'm cross examining this witness and it's the state's witness
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    | timestamp = 00:28:35.940
    | text      = and this guy is really, really good.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:28:38.240
    | text      = But then I find out that he spent his entire life lying to people, specifically people
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    | text      = in courtrooms.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:28:43.259
    | text      = I think that's pretty solid cross examination.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = You know, like, hey, you're a liar.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Done.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:28:49.539
    | text      = Right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:28:50.539
    | text      = And it doesn't mean that someone who has done fraud stuff will always lie.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:28:54.220
    | text      = That's just as bad a conclusion to come to.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:28:56.599
    | text      = We're not in a weird riddle about trying to figure out who always lies.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:29:00.099
    | text      = No, but depriving an audience of like this important piece of assessing the credibility
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:06.220
    | text      = of a witness that you're talking to is dirty in terms of making a documentary.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:11.059
    | text      = Generally, here's what I would say.
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    | text      = If you have been paid many times for the specific act of lying, then you are a professional
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:20.019
    | text      = liar and so I no longer can trust you.
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    | timestamp = 00:29:22.339
    | text      = Right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = That's fair.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:24.339
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:25.339
    | text      = And you've done that to yourself.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:26.339
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:27.339
    | text      = You have decided to lie.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:28.339
    | text      = You went pro.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:29.339
    | text      = Get paid by Pelicano.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:30.339
    | text      = Absolutely.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:31.339
    | text      = That's why, like, it would be an interesting thing for this interview to be like, you're
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = a former FBI agent.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:36.740
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:37.740
    | text      = Why?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:38.740
    | text      = What happened?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:39.740
    | text      = You doing all right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:41.420
    | text      = What traits you want to give us?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:42.420
    | text      = You retired.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:43.420
    | text      = Probably with awards?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:45.220
    | text      = Any kind of awards you want to show us about your...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = It's entirely possible that they could have presented it as like, he was fired as payback
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = for spilling the beans about something about bin Laden or whatever.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:56.019
    | text      = They could have done that, but they don't even...
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    | text      = Then you bring attention to the fact that he was fired and if you look up, why was this
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:02.779
    | text      = guy fired not going to go well?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = It does seem like an intentional choice.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:06.339
    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:07.619
    | text      = So Mark Rossini has a bit of a story that he's going to tell and it has to do with before
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:14.980
    | text      = 9-11, there were no good sources inside Al Qaeda.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:20.339
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:21.339
    | text      = Before 9-11, there were no sources in Al Qaeda.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:25.140
    | text      = None.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:27.180
    | text      = There was a group of Pashtun caretakers.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:30.339
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:31.339
    | text      = They called them the Trod Pints.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:34.700
    | text      = The Trod Pints were these Pashtun people that were bin Laden's T-boys and T-gals, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:41.220
    | text      = And they were the great source of the Pakistani intel service that was feeding information
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    | text      = from the Trod Pints to the ISI to the CIA about what was going on in Al Qaeda.
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    | text      = They had all the electronic communication satellite shit in the world, imagery.
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    | text      = I remember looking at images of bin Laden in his courtyard, all that.
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    | text      = Fine.
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    | text      = What's in his head?
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    | text      = What's he saying?
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    | text      = What's he doing?
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    | text      = These people are 10,000 miles away.
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    | text      = They don't give a shit about America.
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    | text      = I don't care about going to jail.
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    | text      = They want to die.
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    | text      = How are you going to get a source inside there?
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    | text      = So this clip begins to lay out the argument that Rossini is here to make, which is that
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    | text      = before 9-11, there were no sources inside Al Qaeda.
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    | text      = So the CIA under John Brennan allowed the eventual terrorists to enter the United States
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    | text      = and impeded the FBI's attempts to arrest them because the CIA wanted to flip them to become
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    | text      = This is an interesting jump off point because normally the villains in conspiracy stories
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    | text      = will have plainly evil motivations.
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    | text      = In this version, they have a misguided but legitimate reason for their actions.
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    | text      = They let the 9-11 hijackers come into the country and stop their arrest, but it wasn't
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    | text      = because they wanted 9-11 to happen.
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    | text      = In a perfect world where everything went according to plan for the bad guys here, 9-11 wouldn't
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    | text      = have happened, which presumably means the Patriot Act doesn't pass and we probably don't
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    | text      = go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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    | text      = The guys like Rumsfeld and Cheney just wanted inside intel on what Bin Laden was up to.
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    | text      = They weren't trying to orchestrate a giant false flag to seize power.
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    | text      = This is weird.
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    | text      = This seems incompatible with what Tucker-
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    | text      = Well, okay.
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    | text      = So in one situation, let's say we've got a conspiracy wherein there are globalists and
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    | text      = outside extra governmental organizations secretly in control of all of these things that organizes
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    | text      = a false flag in order to get the people of the United States onto board with blah, blah,
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    | text      = blah, blah.
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    | timestamp = 00:32:34.140
    | text      = So our course of action there, deal with those globalists.
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    | timestamp = 00:32:40.740
    | text      = The CIA maybe worked outside of its brief too hard.
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    | text      = That's not necessarily ... Maybe the solution is like reign it in.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = That's a very different conspiracy.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And I think that's one of the things that is notable about this.
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    | text      = This is much more like trying to stay within something that sounds like real world.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = As opposed to a lot of the stuff you'll hear from Alex and the conventional 9-11 folk.
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    | text      = Well, the guy who wrote Legacy of Ashes, Tim Weiner, I think, he also wrote a follow-up
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    | text      = book.
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    | text      = It's all about the past 40 years of the CIA or whatever.
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    | text      = And yeah, I would say in general, it's not so much conspiracies between them that need
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    | text      = to be worked out or problems with secret people controlling the government as it is
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    | text      = like, if you give a lot of people unlimited amount of money and no consequences for their
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    | text      = behavior, shit's going to get weird.
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    | text      = That's going to happen.
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    | text      = It's true.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = It's true.
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    | text      = And sometimes ... I don't want to say good intentions, but like-
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:33:49.140
    | text      = Understandable intentions can go far off track.
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    | text      = Keep the United States people safe can go a long way in the wrong direction very quickly.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = Without oversight, easy.
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    | text      = Oh boy.
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    | text      = Why are we drugging everybody without their knowledge?
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    | text      = No, that's not good.
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    | text      = Are we keeping people safe?
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    | text      = So he discusses how there's no sources.
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    | timestamp = 00:34:13.139
    | text      = And then after the 93 attack, they get a guy who has a phone number and they have the Hada
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    | text      = Home switchboard, which they're able to trace Al Qaeda agents from.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:34:27.460
    | text      = So we got some movement.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Things start to come together a little bit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Before September 11th, US Intel Services got most of their intelligence on Bin Laden from
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    | text      = what was called the Hada Home switchboard in Sana'a, Yemen.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:34:40.059
    | text      = That was a communications hub that Bin Laden and his associates used to communicate with
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = each other.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:34:45.179
    | text      = They were at the time living in Yemen.
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    | text      = The FBI gained access to this after-
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    | text      = You're saying the Hada Home in Yemen?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:20.820
    | text      = And live, Dawoud Rashid Al-Awlih, Saudi.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:24.280
    | text      = He gets captured by the Kenyan police.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:27.480
    | text      = John flies over from New York and already there have been two FBI agents interviewing
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    | timestamp = 00:35:31.519
    | text      = Dawoud.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:34.159
    | text      = They were getting someplace, but they really weren't getting that far.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:38.280
    | text      = John walks in.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:41.119
    | text      = And first thing he does, he says, you need some water?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:45.739
    | text      = You want a drink?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:46.739
    | text      = Did you eat today?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Did you pray?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:48.739
    | text      = Are you okay?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:49.739
    | text      = Yeah, I'm fine.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I'm fine.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:51.659
    | text      = I'm fine.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:52.659
    | text      = He said, just relax.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:53.659
    | text      = Just, just, just, let's have a chat.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = He didn't beat him with a phone book.
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    | text      = He didn't fucking waterboard room.
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    | text      = He didn't pull his fingernails out.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:02.159
    | text      = He wasn't Mr. Tough Guy.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Like all these fucking assholes like Dick Cheney want to believe, right?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = All pieces of shit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = He talked to him like a human being.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:13.159
    | text      = Take me through the day.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:14.380
    | text      = Talk to me.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:15.380
    | text      = So I went to the hotel and I got my stuff ready.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:18.320
    | text      = John, did you, did you call anybody?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:20.739
    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I called this number and he wrote it down and he gave John the number of the hala-hole
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    | text      = in Sana'a, Yemen.
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    | timestamp = 00:36:31.099
    | text      = So I agree with Mark that torturing people is bad and that Cheney was an asshole, but
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = he doesn't come off as a great interview subject here.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:38.079
    | text      = He seems very angry and you get the feeling that he takes some of this personally in a
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    | timestamp = 00:36:42.539
    | text      = way that calls into question his objectivity.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:44.739
    | text      = Who the fuck is this guy?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:47.219
    | text      = This motherfucking piece of shit thinks he's a tough guy.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:50.199
    | text      = What is happening?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:51.199
    | text      = An avocado would take out his knees.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Also, you're sending big signals if you're like, ah, this terrorist chickened out from
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:57.599
    | text      = doing a 9-11.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:58.599
    | text      = Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:00.559
    | text      = Don't say chickened out.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:01.559
    | text      = He chickened out, but then this FBI agent was so nice to give him a glass of water.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:06.039
    | text      = Say he wisely did not do a terrorism.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:08.920
    | text      = This coward.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:09.920
    | text      = What are you, what are you doing?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:10.920
    | text      = Are you trying to goad people into terrorizing you?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:14.000
    | text      = I guess.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:15.539
    | text      = So the shit talking and all that, it makes Mark a better and more entertaining guy to
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:19.679
    | text      = have in a sensationalized context.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:21.860
    | text      = Like if this were a reality TV series, but he seems far too emotionally performative
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:26.860
    | text      = for the documentary expert role that he's supposed to be playing.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:29.860
    | text      = He's not fucking waterboarding nobody.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:32.900
    | text      = Not like Cheney wants to think he that piece of shit fucking asshole.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:37.260
    | text      = All right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:38.260
    | text      = So you were, so we had you in a position of power before.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:41.940
    | text      = That's no good.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:43.000
    | text      = Fiorentino is going to shoot you in the foot.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:46.880
    | text      = Jesus Christ.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:48.280
    | text      = There's a dramatic flourish to how Mark is telling the story, but none of the information
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:53.039
    | text      = that he's adding is new.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:56.519
    | text      = I mean, it's always nice to hear a solid go fuck yourself or, you know, like fuck that
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    | timestamp = 00:38:01.760
    | text      = guy in a documentary.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:02.760
    | text      = Cause you're like, whoa, that's not where this is supposed to be.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:05.800
    | text      = They don't get to say that whenever it's true.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:08.280
    | text      = Sure.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:09.280
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:10.280
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:11.280
    | text      = And then he was going to prison.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:12.280
    | text      = So let it fly.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:13.900
    | text      = I mean, it's, everything is a lot more personal in a what the 25th hour.
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    | timestamp = 00:38:18.619
    | text      = Is that correct?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:19.619
    | text      = Is that that movie?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:20.739
    | text      = So the argument is that the CIA was trying to recruit these hijackers and make them into
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:26.940
    | text      = informants.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:27.940
    | text      = Yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:28.940
    | text      = And that is a theory.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:30.300
    | text      = It is not established.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:31.900
    | text      = It is not proven.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:33.179
    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:34.179
    | text      = But they start to just treat it as if they have proven it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:37.260
    | text      = Come on.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:38.260
    | text      = They have the CIA then following one man and then two men all over the planet.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:45.800
    | text      = And then eventually even to America, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Landing in Los Angeles, California.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:49.400
    | text      = And you don't tell the FBI.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:53.159
    | text      = But why would the CIA want to hide the highly relevant and potentially dangerous fact that
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:58.579
    | text      = two known Al Qaeda terrorists had just landed in California.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:39:03.159
    | text      = According to a recently released court filing, former white house counter-terrorisms are
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    | text      = Richard Clark told government investigators that the quote CIA was running a false flag
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    | text      = operation to recruit the hijackers.
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    | text      = When Cofer Black became the head of the counter-terrorism center at CIA, he was aghast that they had
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    | text      = no sources in Al Qaeda.
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    | text      = So he told me, I'm going to try to get sources in Al Qaeda.
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    | text      = I can understand them possibly saying we need to develop sources inside Al Qaeda.
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    | text      = When we do that, we can't tell anybody about it.
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    | text      = After Clark made that claim publicly, he received an angry call from former director of the
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    | text      = CIA, George Tenet, who did not deny the allegations made by Mr. Clark, end quote.
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    | text      = But we reached out to Tenet, his spokesperson denied that the CIA was recruiting hijackers,
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    | text      = calling it false rumors and saying, quote, that's categorically not true.
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    | text      = So it's important to pay attention to the way that information is used by people like
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    | text      = Tucker and notice the little tweaks that they make in order to push their narratives.
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    | text      = In this case, Tucker is setting up his clip of Richard Clark and he says that Clark revealed
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    | text      = that the CIA was engaged in a false flag to recruit these hijackers.
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    | text      = He said that.
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    | text      = Then he plays the clip of Clark that does not say that.
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    | text      = But instead is Clark saying that he could understand the intelligence folks trying to
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    | text      = secretly turn the future hijackers into informants.
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    | text      = He wasn't saying that the CIA was doing this, but he understood how it was possible.
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    | text      = Hypothetically, I think that's a good idea.
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    | text      = So jump to conclusions.
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    | text      = It is what happened.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = One of the conspiracy theorists main tricks is equating proving that something is possible
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    | text      = with proving that it's true.
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    | text      = Richard Clark saying that it's possible that the CIA was trying to recruit the hijackers
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    | text      = as informants is not the same thing as him saying that is what happened.
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    | text      = But Tucker knows that to his audience, it is the same.
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    | text      = So he treats it as the same thing.
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    | text      = He's like, I'm showing you evidence of X and he's just showing you Y.
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    | text      = It is truly amazing, I think, how quickly human beings have taken implication as read.
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    | text      = If it's said in a documentary with this kind of tone of voice over it, well then it must
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    | text      = be true.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = You know, like, oh shit.
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    | text      = It doesn't matter if he even said, I say this is happening.
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    | text      = It's like, they might've done that, but it's in a documentary so you know it's true.
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    | text      = He just can't say it's true.
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    | text      = Right?
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    | text      = Like that's the thought process now.
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    | text      = Yeah, I guess.
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    | text      = Well, I mean, there's a code, documentarian code.
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    | text      = Yeah, there is a code.
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    | text      = So Mark Racini, his piece of this that is like, well, he personally intersects with
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    | text      = the story, is that while he was working at the Alex station, he and another FBI agent,
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    | text      = they filed a report to a CIA analyst that had to do with these two hijackers that went
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    | text      = to Malaysia, that went to Thailand, and then came to the United States.
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    | text      = And he was told by the CIA analyst, this isn't a FBI matter.
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    | text      = You know, he was told like, this isn't, we're not dealing with this or whatever.
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    | text      = That's his personal piece of this.
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    | text      = He was told to shut up.
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    | text      = That could just be a regular, like, this actually isn't your job.
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    | text      = Yeah, it could be.
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    | text      = It could be.
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    | text      = And I think that you have to assess it through the lens of who Mark Racini is also.
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    | text      = He's telling this story.
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    | text      = His interpretation might not be accurate.
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    | text      = He seems angry.
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    | text      = You can't be on this job because you are an untrustworthy person.
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    | text      = We've caught you many times and caught is-
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    | text      = No, this is before all those problems.
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    | text      = Right, right, right.
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    | text      = But, you know, he didn't just start doing those things.
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    | text      = Probably not.
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    | text      = We knew you were shady.
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    | text      = You can't work on this because you'll tell somebody.
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    | text      = So he had that experience, and he's talked about that a lot, like going back years.
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    | text      = This is not like the first time, like Tucker's interview didn't break new ground in terms
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    | text      = of this guy's story.
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    | text      = Right, right, right.
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    | text      = But it's treated as evidence that the CIA didn't want the FBI mucking around because
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    | text      = they're trying to flip these guys.
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    | text      = And that was their delusional plan that they were trying to do.
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    | text      = CIA had this delusional grand plan.
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    | text      = So the CIA, with their information that they had from the Hata House and their own psychological
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    | text      = analysis of everybody in that team, they figured the best way is maybe to recruit somebody
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    | text      = who came over from Malaysia.
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    | text      = Talila Mirha, and now Afa Hazmi.
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    | text      = We kept the FBI at bay because we told Mark Racini and Doug Miller to shut the fuck up.
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    | text      = So let's just try to get inside-
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    | text      = Is that what they said, Doug?
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    | text      = What did they actually say?
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    | text      = And that's what went wrong.
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    | text      = That was the grand lie, the grand risk, the grand delusion.
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    | text      = You had a duty to protect Americans and you failed because of your fucking fantastical
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    | text      = delusion that you could recruit somebody inside the cell.
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    | text      = The official 9-11 report does not address the CIA's plan to recruit the hijackers.
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    | text      = It's not even mentioned.
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    | text      = It's possible this is because the CIA blocked 9-11 Commission investigators from talking
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    | text      = to the agents who participated in the plot.
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    | text      = Amazingly, the CIA's director of operations kept the CIA operative attempting to recruit
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    | text      = the hijackers, referred to as VVV in the documents, away from the Commission's investigators.
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    | text      = The consequence of this?
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    | text      = The Commission's explanation for this story is that the CIA made an honest mistake.
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    | text      = The actual language in the report says the CIA played, quote, zone defense and the FBI
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    | text      = had a man-to-man approach to counter-terrorism.
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    | text      = So none of this is new information and it also doesn't prove anything.
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    | text      = Mark Rossini can aggressively assert all this stuff, but he can't prove that the CIA was
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    | text      = trying to recruit the hijackers, which is why the FBI and CIA were bad at sharing information
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    | text      = before 9-11.
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    | text      = He can make a compelling argument that it's possible that this happened, but none of this
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    | text      = actually proves anything concrete.
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    | text      = Tucker and Rossini are now just treating the theory that the CIA was trying to recruit
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    | text      = the hijackers as a proven thing and the fact that the 9-11 report didn't cover it is proof
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    | text      = of a cover-up.
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    | text      = They weren't allowed to talk to the person who was doing the recruitment, which definitively
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    | text      = shows that there was a recruitment plan.
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    | text      = If there was somebody, the CIA named VVV, who was involved in recruiting the hijackers,
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    | text      = then this is done.
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    | text      = The conspiracy is proven.
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    | text      = Easy.
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    | text      = So the 9-11 Commission report doesn't mention anyone named VVV and Tucker is saying that
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    | text      = this is a name that's used in the documents.
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    | text      = The documents.
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    | text      = He says the documents.
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    | text      = Big quotation marks around that.
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    | text      = He doesn't mention which documents he means because he wants the viewer to just assume
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    | text      = that this is all part of the 9-11 Commission investigation, but it's not.
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    | text      = The name VVV comes from a 2021 declaration made by a guy named Donald C. Canestraro,
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    | text      = an investigator with the Military Commission's Defense Organization.
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    | text      = This declaration was not a work product of the military, but it's more like a brief that
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    | text      = was filed in the case of an accused 9-11 plotter who was going to go on trial named
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    | text      = Ammar Al-Baluchi.
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    | text      = Al-Baluchi was arrested after 9-11 and sent to Guantanamo Bay, where he's been tortured
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    | text      = and held for a long time, and as part of his defense strategy, his lawyers are arguing
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    | text      = that he shouldn't be executed because there was Saudi government involvement in the plotting
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    | text      = of 9-11 that has gone unpunished.
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    | text      = The argument that this declaration makes is that the CIA was seeking to get sources within
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    | text      = al-Qaeda and knew that the FBI wouldn't cooperate.
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    | text      = Because the CIA isn't allowed to operate in actions inside the United States, they recruited
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    | text      = Saudi government agents, specifically one man named Omar al-Bayoumi, to collaborate
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    | text      = on trying to flip the two hijackers that Mark Rossini mentions going to Malaysia.
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    | text      = Things went bad, the recruitment didn't work, and then the cover-up was on.
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    | text      = That's the argument that's largely put forth in this declaration that was used by the defense
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    | text      = lawyers for an alleged 9-11 plotter.
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    | text      = The code name VVV is used in the declaration to describe a character who's brought up by
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    | text      = one of the confidential sources that Ken Estraro spoke to when compiling this report.
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    | text      = The source is named CS3, and it's very clearly Mark Rossini.
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    | text      = The source tells the exact same story that Mark is telling in this video with Tucker,
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    | text      = down to him and another FBI agent.
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    | text      = Funny how that works.
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    | text      = Yeah, exactly the same.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So Mark Rossini brings up a CIA analyst who the report decides to call VVV, who tells
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    | text      = CS3 not to distribute the report that he and his colleague at the FBI had written up.
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    | timestamp = 00:48:01.739
    | text      = In this interview with Tucker, Mark has already revealed this story.
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    | text      = He's told this story and revealed who VVV is.
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    | text      = It's someone named Michael Ann Casey, who was a CIA analyst who told him shut down.
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    | text      = Right, right, right, right.
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    | text      = So for Tucker to not be able to figure out who VVV is when it's very, very, very...
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    | text      = Oh, three V's.
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    | text      = Hey!
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Very, very, very clear.
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    | text      = Like it, I like it.
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    | text      = It's a little strange.
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    | text      = Oh, almost like...
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    | text      = I mean, if I was one of the people consuming this documentary, and I had just been privy
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    | text      = to that information, I would think, why?
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    | text      = These people are covering something up.
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    | text      = They're either refusing to pursue some very clear things, or they're hiding the ball.
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    | text      = It's one of the two.
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    | text      = Which is what you're accusing the CIA and the FBI of doing exactly.
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    | text      = You're doing the thing that you're saying they're doing identically.
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    | text      = And that's not to say that the CIA didn't.
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    | text      = It just means that you're doing a bad job with whatever you're doing.
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    | text      = Listen, that's the problem with the fucking CIA.
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    | text      = Did the CIA do this?
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    | text      = You don't know, but if they go like, oh, they fucked with JFK.
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    | text      = Well yeah, RFK, well yeah, they did that, well yeah, they did all that stuff.
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    | text      = But you don't know if they did this shit.
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    | text      = You just can say it.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = You have done an okay job of, I guess, saying that something is possible.
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    | text      = But again, it does not prove...
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    | text      = Well if they did, I ran contra, then they, yes, I understand, but that doesn't mean they
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Someone being capable of murder doesn't show that they did murder.
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    | text      = Yeah, they're fucked up and they shouldn't exist.
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    | text      = That's not your angle, though.
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    | text      = Your angle is like they're evil, which is, yeah!
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    | text      = So the evidence that shows that the CIA kept Casey, or VVV, from testifying to the 9-11
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    | text      = commission comes from that declaration, from words that are attributed to CS3, who is Mark
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    | text      = Rossini.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = So Tucker, when he says that VVV was kept away from the 9-11 commission, it is just
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    | text      = him citing a document that is citing the guy he's interviewing.
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    | text      = So quote, CS3 stated that he or she overheard one senior CIA official, Director of Operations
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    | text      = James Pavitt, telling CIA Director George Tenet that he was glad we kept CIA analyst
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    | text      = VVV from 9-11 commission investigators.
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    | text      = So it's something that Mark, under the guise of CS3, told the guy making this declaration.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = It's nice.
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    | text      = It's like an escalated Fox News, you know, like in the morning we're reporting on this
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    | text      = and then the evening is like, people are saying all kinds of shit!
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    | text      = It's information self-dealing.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = So when you trace back this thing to the bottom, you find that the documents that Tucker is
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    | text      = using to strengthen Mark's story are actually just other people publishing things Mark said,
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    | text      = but as an anonymous source.
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    | text      = Tucker likely doesn't point this out, that he's pulling all of this stuff from the Canestraro
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    | text      = Declaration because if he did, he wouldn't be able to play these fun games with the VVV
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    | text      = stuff.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = He should already know who that is.
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    | text      = If he's done all the work that he's claimed he's done on this, then this shouldn't be...
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    | text      = He should have really first-hand kind of information about this, considering this is the exact
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    | text      = type of shit they did to justify moving into Iraq.
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    | text      = He loved that.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = They had the fake guy that lied and then they just put him under a bunch of different names
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    | timestamp = 00:51:21.739
    | text      = and they're like, well, everybody's saying it now.
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    | text      = Crazy.
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    | text      = Maybe that'll be one of the other episodes of his documentary.
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    | text      = It was us.
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    | text      = I did it.
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    | text      = It was me.
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    | text      = So the CIA was trying to get these hijackers to become informants.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Because they're not going to listen to American CIA agents get Saudi agents like al-Baiumi
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    | text      = in order to actually flip them, which is what we lay out here.
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    | text      = The CIA utilized the Saudis in the form of Omar al-Baiumi to spy for them and to gather
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    | text      = intelligence.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Before 9-11, the CIA was forbidden from engaging in domestic spying.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = They used the Saudi intelligence as a workaround.
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    | text      = We'll rely upon the Saudi GID, General Intelligence Directorate, their version of the CIA via
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    | text      = Prince Bandar, via their man Omar al-Baiumi, to keep us informed as to the activity of
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    | text      = these terrorists.
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    | text      = Baiumi's notebook, which was uncovered when British law enforcement raided his home in
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    | text      = the UK, contained a drawing of an airplane and mathematical calculations related to flying
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    | text      = it.
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    | text      = The 9-11 Commission investigators never saw this.
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    | text      = At the time, al-Baiumi had a no-show job at a Saudi aviation contractor called Avco.
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    | text      = The company's employees say he was one of roughly 50 ghost employees working there at
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    | text      = the time, taking the paycheck but never coming to work.
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    | text      = According to declassified government documents, an investigator from the 9-11 Commission said
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    | text      = al-Baiumi was receiving substantial sums of money from the Saudi embassy in Washington
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    | text      = prior to the 9-11 attacks, that the money was being funneled from accounts at Riggs
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    | text      = Bank in Georgetown, belonging to Haifa bin Faisal, the wife of the Saudi ambassador to
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    | text      = the United States.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = By using the Saudis as a proxy to recruit the 9-11 hijackers, the CIA gave itself cover.
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    | text      = If things went wrong, they could push a narrative that blamed the Saudi government for the attacks,
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    | text      = which is what they did.
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    | text      = So most of this stuff is coming from that same declaration.
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    | text      = The no-show jobs at URCON and Avco, the Riggs Bank stuff, that's all in this declaration.
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    | text      = Tucker's basically just covering that declaration and not attributing it properly while using
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    | text      = one of the confidential sources from that report as a guest on this show.
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    | text      = This is not good work.
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    | text      = It's sloppy all over the place.
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    | text      = Also, the US government did not end up blaming Saudi Arabia for the attack.
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    | text      = No, they kind of went hard the other direction.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I don't know how Tucker can get away with saying they did this in order to be able to
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    | text      = blame Saudi Arabia, and they did.
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    | text      = How can he say that?
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    | text      = That's crazy.
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    | text      = I don't like whenever so much is built on rules that are only occasionally enforced.
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    | text      = Especially in the circular logic that they exist within.
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    | text      = Here's why the CIA can't do that, because they can't work on US soil.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But 15 of your other conspiracies involve them working on US soil.
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    | text      = That should be established as not a reason.
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    | text      = I think that in this case, you have the added thing of, well, these guys are Islamic terrorists.
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    | text      = They probably would not respond to someone who is not also of the Muslim ...
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    | text      = Whatever you like.
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    | text      = I think that you could make an argument for why it's not just the CIA rule.
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    | text      = For sure.
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    | text      = But it is definitely appealed to.
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    | text      = But that's what I'm saying.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = There are all of these things that are then used as like house of cards.
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    | text      = I understand why you're doing that.
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    | text      = It does seem reasonable if we're not in your world.
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    | text      = If we're having a regular ass conversation with people, yeah, that's different.
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    | text      = But if you're in this documentary using it, that means that you're grasping at bullshit.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = You're trying ... It's all behavior that's meant to proceed to a conclusion that you've
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    | text      = already determined, as opposed to letting the evidence guide you wherever it may go.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And preemptively arguing with the viewer.
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    | text      = That kind of, before you ask, I'm providing this information, is cutting off me asking
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    | text      = for something, and then asking another question about the information you've given me.
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    | text      = It's when there's a ball rolling of questions that you're trying to cut off.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And I think that part of the reason is because any kind of momentum on the ball in terms
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    | text      = of this would make Tucker look pretty bad.
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    | text      = It doesn't look good.
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    | text      = The over-reliance on stuff from this declaration, the not explaining that this is something
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:56:09.719
    | text      = that was made as something to be put into the defense for one of the 9-11 terrorists,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = alleged plotters, as it were.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Not disclosing that the guest you have is one of the confidential sources for that declaration.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:56:29.039
    | text      = A lot of the information that you're reporting as truth comes from unfounded, unproven things
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    | text      = that he has said.
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    | text      = It's just sloppy as shit.
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    | text      = The fact that he worked with Anthony Pelicano.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = If you are a confidential source, you can't then become a public source without also revealing
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    | text      = that you were a confidential source.
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    | text      = Especially in the same piece.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yep, yep, yep.
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    | text      = It's a mess.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:54.679
    | text      = That's dumb.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:55.679
    | text      = So Tucker closes this thing up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I think he's proven his point that the 9-11 report sucks and is a lie.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:03.400
    | text      = The truth is, the official 9-11 commission report sold to the American public and the
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = world for decades as the definitive account of what happened that day is a lie.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:13.599
    | text      = 9-11 commissioned was a cover up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:57:20.039
    | text      = But how did the Bush administration manage to hijack what was sold as an independent
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:57:25.079
    | text      = commission?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:57:26.079
    | text      = And what exactly were they trying to hide?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = We'll reveal what we found in the next episode.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I don't think I'm interested.
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    | text      = You know, I, it's...
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = What could you possibly have found?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Smoking guns all over the place, man.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:57:41.699
    | text      = How could you have found a smoking gun without your first episode being like, oh, we fixed
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    | text      = it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:48.199
    | text      = We figured it out.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:49.199
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I mean, if this is the first episode, you have a wildly suspicious guest.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:55.199
    | text      = You have information that you're laundering from a different place without disclosing
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    | timestamp = 00:58:01.159
    | text      = it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:02.159
    | text      = You have a lot of old information being reported as if it's new.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:58:06.119
    | text      = You have conclusions that aren't earned being jumped to.
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    | text      = I really just don't think that there's any chance that episode two, three, four, or five
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    | text      = is going to be any different.
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    | text      = You start with a, if you're a performer, you have a strong opener.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = No, no, no.
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    | text      = I was actually going to go into the same spot with like, this guy can't be your first episode.
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    | text      = He's too big.
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    | text      = He's too big for your first episode.
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    | text      = You are doing that because you're front-loading bombast because you're afraid people are bored
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    | text      = already.
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    | text      = I think it's possible.
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    | text      = Right?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I mean, this piece of shit, motherfucker.
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    | timestamp = 00:58:42.119
    | text      = Right?
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    | timestamp = 00:58:43.119
    | text      = What does this guy do?
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    | text      = I'm a former FBI agent.
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    | text      = All right.
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    | text      = So you're reliable.
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    | text      = This motherfucker is a coward for not blowing up the Twin Towers.
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    | text      = I'm sorry?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = That's your pitch?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = He's large.
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    | text      = He's a lot of personality.
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    | text      = He's too much.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I just, I think this sucks.
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    | text      = And I also think that there's another issue that I experienced while preparing this.
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    | text      = And that is, I felt like, who cares?
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    | text      = In Tucker's audience, why would they care about the CIA was trying to flip some hijackers
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    | text      = and it went wrong?
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    | text      = Who cares?
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    | text      = There's demons.
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    | text      = This is 20-something years ago and Trump has taken over the government.
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    | text      = Whatever problems that you had with Paul Wolfowitz or Cheney, whatever, who cares?
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    | text      = That is done.
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    | text      = Right?
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    | text      = I mean, does anybody, before you made this, does anybody in the audience wholly believe
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    | text      = that 9-11 wasn't an inside job?
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    | text      = Probably not.
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    | text      = Right?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = In some form or fashion.
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    | text      = What was probably true of more people than anybody wanted to admit is that after 9-11,
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    | timestamp = 01:00:01.599
    | text      = in some form or fashion, everybody was like, well, they're not telling us the full truth.
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    | text      = That's just the reality of it.
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    | text      = Right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And that umbrella can contain a lot of different things.
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    | text      = Somebody might just be hiding the fact that they were kind of an asshole or kind of an
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    | text      = idiot or covering up that they fucked up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:19.519
    | text      = Or profited in some way that they feel guilty about.
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = That doesn't mean that they planned it or whatever.
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    | text      = Nope.
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    | text      = All kinds of things.
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    | text      = Everything went wrong because the Twin Towers fell.
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    | text      = That was where everything went wrong.
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    | text      = I think that beyond just how many people in Tucker's audience aren't the choir being preached
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    | text      = to, that's one element of it.
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    | text      = And then the other is the audience that he's been trying to attract with this religious
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = fundamentalism and demons and antisemitism and all this shit.
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    | timestamp = 01:00:55.019
    | text      = Are they going to care at all unless you say it was the Jews?
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    | timestamp = 01:00:59.019
    | text      = I have a question for you.
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    | text      = And I'll throw this out as a possibility.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = If we're starting from the premise of the initial motivation for this whole conspiracy
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    | timestamp = 01:01:13.219
    | text      = is the government is trying to keep you safe.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:01:16.360
    | text      = These people are in good faith attempting to create sources within all of the terrorism
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    | text      = groups in the world.
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    | timestamp = 01:01:24.179
    | text      = Presumably well-intentioned, misguided, poorly executed law enforcement.
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    | timestamp = 01:01:29.179
    | text      = Now if your audience is already of the mind that the government was in on it purposefully
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    | text      = to harm people.
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    | text      = It does almost make this seem like you're covering.
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    | text      = Now we're in a time where the people that Tucker wants, or Tucker's audience, Tucker
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    | text      = wants them to trust the government as opposed to distrust the government as a whole.
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    | timestamp = 01:01:53.199
    | text      = Are we actually talking about Tucker not trying to remove and wear Alex's skin, but to suck
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    | timestamp = 01:02:00.719
    | text      = out every meaningful bit of it and turn it into 9-11 conspiracy theories are actually
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    | timestamp = 01:02:05.780
    | text      = about how the government is trying really hard and the people in the past were bad guys.
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    | timestamp = 01:02:10.239
    | text      = Hmm.
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    | timestamp = 01:02:11.239
    | text      = Yeah, maybe.
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    | timestamp = 01:02:12.239
    | text      = Yeah, I mean, it definitely, you know, I don't know, but it is an interesting thought.
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    | timestamp = 01:02:18.480
    | text      = This is coming from a place of like far more belief in the state than the conspiracy theories
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:02:27.719
    | text      = of 20 years ago.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:28.719
    | text      = The state is your daddy now.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:29.719
    | text      = Yeah, whereas Alex would yell about democide and like how the state is responsible for
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:02:34.079
    | text      = more death than anything ever.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:36.079
    | text      = Right, right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:37.079
    | text      = So this now is the new 9-11 where daddy is trying to keep you safe, but you know what?
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    | timestamp = 01:02:42.920
    | text      = Daddy makes mistakes.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:44.280
    | text      = Don't get too mad.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:45.280
    | text      = Right, and maybe uncle is weird.
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    | timestamp = 01:02:46.880
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:47.880
    | text      = Maybe uncle John Brennan was off on a...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:50.760
    | text      = You know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:51.760
    | text      = The enemies of our current dad who were around back then.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:54.599
    | text      = Right, absolutely.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:55.639
    | text      = They did bad stuff.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:57.119
    | text      = Right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:58.119
    | text      = Oh my God.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:02:59.320
    | text      = These are children.
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    | timestamp = 01:03:00.320
    | text      = Yeah, I do think that, you know, without like going into all the other episodes, like this
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    | timestamp = 01:03:05.280
    | text      = does seem to be launching off in a direction that is more like, you know what?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:10.119
    | text      = 9-11 happened because of like big mistakes, but mistakes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:14.440
    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:03:15.760
    | text      = Nobody was trying to hurt you.
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    | timestamp = 01:03:17.480
    | text      = And then the cover up...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:18.480
    | text      = Except for the terrorists, of course.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:03:20.000
    | text      = And all brown people.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:21.559
    | text      = The cover up then is just covering up that we could have stopped it if we weren't singularly
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:03:28.039
    | text      = focused on trying to get informants.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:31.360
    | text      = We had a bad law enforcement strategy.
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    | timestamp = 01:03:34.239
    | text      = Yep.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:35.239
    | text      = Yeah, that is interesting.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:36.960
    | text      = I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:38.099
    | text      = That might be more interesting than the thing itself.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:03:40.079
    | text      = Yeah, I mean, probably projecting that theory onto the making of it is far more interesting
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:03:45.440
    | text      = than them going like, let's just do what Alex did.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:48.760
    | text      = Yeah, and it's not even what Alex did because it's pretty boring, hollow, and it's out of
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:53.119
    | text      = touch with what's important right now.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:55.039
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:56.039
    | text      = Like this could not be more irrelevant, I feel.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:03:59.280
    | text      = Like, I don't know if like him interviewing Nick Fuentes after these came out or like
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:09.880
    | text      = Chaney dying.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:10.920
    | text      = I don't know what makes it irrelevant, but this feels fucking dead in the water.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:15.440
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:16.440
    | text      = Like he did this five part series and I don't think anyone cares.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:20.480
    | text      = I mean, yeah, I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:04:22.599
    | text      = I would say that probably if you were ever going to find the linchpin of our era, it
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    | timestamp = 01:04:29.599
    | text      = would be 9-11.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:31.300
    | text      = And it's so...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:32.360
    | text      = What has happened due to it, the sequence of events is so irreparable and mind boggling
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:39.559
    | text      = that it's... like if in the beginning of Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones was
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:43.880
    | text      = just run over by that ball and then the movie ended.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:46.480
    | text      = Like, that would just be it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:48.119
    | text      = Like that's how huge this is.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:50.000
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:51.000
    | text      = Eh.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:52.000
    | text      = And now, here we are.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:53.000
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:54.000
    | text      = Anyway, I don't think I'm going to watch the rest of these and I don't think we're going
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:56.360
    | text      = to talk about them because he gives a shit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:57.800
    | text      = That's fair.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:58.800
    | text      = Um, but we will get back to Alex and see what he's up to without his watches.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:05.119
    | text      = I hope on his episode he says something about how he misses his watches.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:10.480
    | text      = He misses two very specific watches.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:12.639
    | text      = Holy shit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:13.639
    | text      = I did Google them and they're worth a bit more than I thought they were, so I feel very
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:17.719
    | text      = uncomfortable now.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:18.719
    | text      = But, eh, we'll be back and check in on his watchless ass.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:22.280
    | text      = But until then, we have a website.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:23.280
    | text      = Indeed we do.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:24.280
    | text      = It's knowledgefight.com.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:25.280
    | text      = Yep, we'll be back.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:26.280
    | text      = But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I am the mysterious professor.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:29.559
    | text      = Woo yeah, woo yeah, woo!
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:32.980
    | text      = And now here comes the sex robots.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:35.340
    | text      = Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:36.659
    | text      = Thanks for holding.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:37.659
    | text      = Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:41.539
    | text      = I love your work.
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    | timestamp = 01:05:42.539
    | text      = I love you.
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